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Very, very good evening to you. Welcome to Juvenues tonight with me, Martin Daubley. What a scorcher we've got for you tonight because an undercover reporter posing as an illegal immigrant was delivering food within minutes. after renting a Just Eat account for just 40 quid a week. No ID, no checks, no problem. Could this mean that illegal migrants are working as soon as they arrive on British shores?

And Labour rebels are still threatening to reject the welfare reforms bill tomorrow, even after the Prime Minister watered it down with a 50% U-turn to appease the rebellion. And Jamaica is turning up the heat on slavery reparations once again, this time taking its fight straight to the king. But it is now really the time to pay up for the past sins of Britain.

Thank you, Tatiana, and welcome to GBNU tonight. With me, your host, Martin Daubly, now an undercover journalist pretending to be an illegal Afghan immigrant, showed how for just £40 a week, the princely sum of £40 a week. they could rent a verified Just Eat Courier account on Facebook and begin delivering meals within minutes without any identity or right to work checks. It's an astonishing breach of British security. And let's take a look.

As a new arrival into the UK from Afghanistan we went on various Facebook forums and within 10 minutes of asking we've been offered multiple accounts for as little as £40 a week and as much as £100 a week.

From there, we were able to obtain a login for a Just Eat account. I have successfully picked up my first order using this Just Eat account which of course is not mine it belongs to someone who has the right to work here and I am of course posing as a new arrival into the UK I'll drop off here for Rebecca

People are coming over illegally from France and then working as justy delivery drivers and then they can go around London, Surrey, wherever just dropping off people's orders despite having no right to work. How do you feel about that? No, that makes me a bit nervous now. It's just an absolute disgrace what's going on in this country. And now major firms including Deliveroo, Uber Eats and Just Eat have since been summoned by the Home Office.

following a similar expose, revealing freshly arrived asylum seekers, earning up to £1,000 a week. And by the way, this is a story GB News is covering for about two years. I'm very pleased now to be joined in our studio by GB News' senior political commentator, Nigel Nelson, as we await the arrival of the shadow Home Secretary, Chris Philp. Nigel, welcome to the show. This once again is a total disgrace.

It's people arriving in the country. It could be anybody, no background checks. It could be terrorists, for all we know, throwing their passports in the sea. They're going on to WhatsApp groups and they are bagging a job within minutes. Proof positive.

as if it were needed, that the black market is thriving and it's being fuelled by illegal immigration. Yeah, all those things. I mean, I agree with you totally that what these people are doing is illegally working. Yvette Cooper is cracking down on illegal immigration.

legal working now she must turn her attention to the evidence provided by the two films the one you've just shown and obviously chris philip's own film at an asylum hotel so yes this is straightforward legal working that the uh the first must be must be looked into to see how all this is happening and the people must be stopped from doing it the trouble with that though is that we continue to get statements no doubt we got one later here

from these big delivery companies and they continue to say we do everything we can to be as stringent as possible. Clearly that's not enough. No, I mean, I'm a bit surprised. In fact, you don't check the identity documents of somebody when they're coming up to pick up the food, quite honestly. It's something the companies could do if they've got a new driver who's coming along to go and get.

the stuff you'd then make it make a check on it I mean this is this is a straightforward illegal behavior and that's what must be stopped If an asylum seeker has been here for a year and hasn't been processed, they can work in shortage occupations. That's because it's silly to keep them doing nothing for so long. Why?

Well, I mean, because... We don't need illegal people coming here and flipping into legal... Well, at this stage, they're not legal. Bear in mind that they're not illegal. While this is illegal work and we're talking about here, that asylum seekers aren't illegal until their asylum claim has been rejected.

So if we can't clear the backlog and you've got them here for over a year, rather than just have them clicking their heels, if there is a job and a shortage occupation they can do, then they should do it. You're not saying for a moment, Nigel, that we... have a shortage of Deliveroo riders. No, I'm not. They're clogging the high streets of every city and town. You can't move without seeing them. They're in full face masks. They look hostile. And the abundantly... The proof is abundant now.

and that there is a sizable tranche that seems to be working illegally. Yeah, and you're absolutely right. I mean, certainly it's not a shortage or occupation to be a delivery driver. So this is a whole different ballgame. The Home Office has now got the evidence

they should be sending enforcement teams out to put a stop to it. OK, well, as we await the arrival of Chris, let's take a look now at the video that Chris Philp made where he did his own little impromptu raids on people working illegally in hotels across Britain. Okay, so this is Chris Philp here. You can see an excellent video. accosting people directly walking up to them asking them where they're from what they're doing and the takeaway pun intended message from this

is that a lot of them were working illegally. They're working cash in hand for the big delivery companies. A lot of people saying this has just been going on for way, way too long and it simply must stop. Let's have a little listen now. look at the hotel here you can see there's a lot of uh just deep bikes here a lot of delivery bikes loads of them one two three four five six whereabouts are you from Okay and did you get hit by boat?

I can if you want, free country. A shopkeeper in the shop behind me, he confirmed the hotel is an asylum hotel and people he said arrived on small boats are now staying there. And he also said he's seen lots of the residents of the hotel. doing work on Uber Eats, on Deliveroo. I'm delighted now to be joined in the studio by that man, the Deliveroo chaser, the shadow Home Secretary, Chris Philp. Chris, welcome. to the show. So you know this is going on. You went in pursuit of them yourself.

And it's just got to the point now where every high street and every town really is festooned with these bikes. We have no idea who these people are. And the blatant proof in this latest investigation by the Sun newspaper. As you know, accounts being sublet out for 40 quid a week, no checks. Within moments, really, of coming to our shores, you can be whisking curries and burgers around and getting paid cash in hand.

Yeah, Martin, you're absolutely right. It's completely outrageous. I went to that asylum hotel you showed in the clip just then, went there a week or so ago, and there was a pen full of bikes, as the clip showed, absolutely stuffed full of bikes with panniers on the back for Deliveroo, Uber Eats and...

Just Eats and the illegal immigrants within, in some cases, just hours of illegally entering our country. They're illegal immigrants coming in by small boat. They're working on platforms like Deliveroo and the people smugglers are telling these illegal immigrants. in France. If they come to the UK, then they can work here easily. So it's a pull factor that is attracting illegal immigrants to come from France and Germany.

into the uk now first of all the home office run that hotel and dozens of other hotels like it so the home office is that cooper should be shutting that down why is she paying our money taxpayers money to accommodate these illegal immigrants in hotels and letting them

run illegal working right under the Home Office's nose. Now, you saw that security guard in that video. He was very keen to kick me out when I was asking questions as a Member of Parliament, but he wasn't lifting a single finger to sort out the fact the illegal immigrants were illegally... working for Deliveroo. Now, Deliveroo themselves and Just Eats and Uber Eats

are frankly allowing this to happen on their platforms. They claim they do checks, but that is absolute nonsense, as evidenced by the fact that all those illegal immigrants in the hotel are working. And then there's the evidence of the Sun journalist who managed to successfully get himself a delivery. uh login so any checks they're doing uh if they are doing any for that matter at all are clearly not working they are facilitating and encouraging

illegal immigration. The Home Office should come down on those companies, Deliveroo, Just Eat and Uber Eats like a ton of bricks, prosecute them, fine them into next week. And frankly, if they can personally prosecute the people running those companies as well, because they are creating a magnet, a pull factor for illegal immigrants to come to the UK. And then finally, there is a public safety aspect. I mean, often, for example, imagine a lone woman.

ordering a Deliveroo, coming maybe to her house or flat late at night, thinking that the delivery driver is known to Deliveroo, but because of all this practice of renting out logins, either with or without Deliveroo's knowledge the person who actually turns up to the door you know at midnight

Could be, frankly, absolutely anyone, including an illegal immigrant who only turned up to the country a few days beforehand. So I think it's a safety risk as well. Chris Phil, every time we do this story at Stupid News, no doubt we'll have a statement from the companies in a short while. They always say we're rigorous.

In our checks. We do everything in our power. But here we are again. It's Groundhog Day. I put it to you. On these WhatsApp message groups, it says once a day, if you ask for a facial ID recognition login, that's what the phone does. The app has that. that power, simply message me, the accounts holder, I'll take a selfie of my mugshot, send it to you, Bosh, you're in.

Clearly, the checks and balances don't work. Are we being fobbed off? Yeah, we're definitely being fobbed off. I mean, I wrote to the chief executive of some of these companies after my visit to the asylum hotel. I got the usual response with all the usual platitudes. And when they say they're taking...

action to stop this they're basically lying they're not I mean the evidence is right there in front of us at the asylum hotel on streets up and down the country and the Sun journalists work as well I think a couple of years ago the Home Office did stopped a load of delivery riders to identify who they were and it turns out i think over half of them were had no right

to work here so these companies need to urgently put their house in order they are fobbing us off they're lying frankly and it's about time and the government took some action here now chris of course they would stringently deny that they would say they're not lying To be absolutely clear here, Chris, are you saying that the company owners should be dragged into court and prosecuted?

Yeah, they should. Yes, they should. They're presiding over companies who are facilitating mass illegal working. It's not just, you know, a handful of drivers or, you know, 5%. It's huge numbers. It's thousands and thousands. And when you get people smugglers, openly advertising in Europe, continental Europe, saying one of the reasons to come to the UK is you can easily work illegally on platforms like Deliveroo. They are providing people smugglers with their advertising material, fueling.

this flow this flood of illegal immigrants across the channel isn't the first thing you you actually got to do though um is put a stop obviously to illegal working so i presume your film has gone to the home office so and all the details there so an enforcement team can

go out there and deal with it yes I wrote to that Cooper with the full details urging her to shut down that the illegal working at that hotel and other hotels which she directly controls and secondly asking her to get immigration enforcement to investigate I also personally mess

to the immigration minister with a screenshot of one of these websites where you can rent details to draw it directly to her attention. Right. And the other point there is obviously this is illegal working. There's no question about that, what you've discovered. But these people are not...

illegal illegal migrants yeah they're asylum seekers so they won't become illegal until uh their asylum claim has been rejected well no i disagree because in my view they're illegal immigrants the minute they cross the channel that is in contra they may they may subsequently claim asylum But they still entered the country illegally, contrary to Section 24 of the Immigration Act 1971. And because they came not directly from a place of danger, they came from France, which is safe. That means...

Under the Refugee Convention, they can be subject to penalties, including criminal sanctions. So they categorically, in my view, are illegal immigrants. OK, well, we have a statement from Angela Eagle, of course, Dame Angela Eagle, who is the Minister for Border Security and Asylum. And she told GB News this. I welcome Villa Brew, Just Eat and Uber Eats pledge to increase facial verification checks following today's roundtable. We will keep a close eye on their progress and continue discussions.

for change we are taking a zero tolerance approach to illegal working across the board and arrests nationwide have increased by 51 percent.

And we are strengthening legislation via our borders bill to end the abuse of flexible working arrangements. Now, we've got some breaking news line for you, Chris. We'll get your reaction to this. And it's this. Moments ago, the Home Office announced that it is set to prescribe... Three groups now, and that is Palestine Action, Maniacs Murder Cult, and the Russian Imperial Movement. And they are set to be banned following advice from cross-government experts. Now, if agreed by Parliament...

It'll be illegal to be a member of or invite support for any of those three groups. Now, doing so will be punishable by up to 14 years in jail or an unlimited fine. Chris Phil, can I get your reaction first? those names there. Palestine Action finally being clamped down on. Yeah, well, I support that. Palestine Action is a violent group that is seeking to impose its political views

on our country, a democracy, using acts of violence, which includes smashing up property and also attacking people. They attacked a police officer with a sledgehammer last summer. They are a violent group. We don't do things that way in this country. We're a democracy. we elect Parliament and we decide things by

Debate, media debate, debate in parliament and then votes in parliament. We don't decide things in this country by mob violence and Palestine action are a violent group attacking, as I say, a police officer with a sledgehammer. So it's quite right that they should be prescribed and are certainly. be supporting that in parliament when it's debated and voted on potentially on wednesday and do you know anything gentlemen but perhaps the both of you about the

colourfully named Maniacs Murder Cults. Who are they? I'm sorry, I've never heard of them. They're a new one on me. I've got to be honest, I haven't come across them before, but from their name, the Maniacs Murder Cult, it doesn't sound like they're very nice people. I will obviously make sure I do look at the background briefing and research it.

thoroughly before Wednesday's vote. It doesn't sound to me like they're much into crochet or knitting patterns and the Russian imperial movement. I think that... does what it says on the tin. Nigel, now some quick reaction to you before we go to the break. Is this the right thing to do? A lot of people are saying it's not the right thing to do. You know, we believe in freedom of expression, freedom of speech in the UK. But do you think...

That's somebody from the political left that Palestine action crossed the line. Yes. No question. If you break into an RAF base and you sabotage planes, then you have crossed the line. You crossed that line into terrorism, so therefore they should be prescribed. OK, thank you very much, gentlemen. I've got a quick statement here from the Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, who said this, national security is the first duty of any government.

Maniacs murder calls, Palestine action and the Russian imperial movements have each passed the threshold for prescription based on clear national security evidence and assessments. Now, the right to protest and the right to free speech are the cornerstone of our democracy. Violence and serious criminal damage has no place in legitimate protests. And Chris Philp there nodding along in unison with Nigel. Gentlemen, thank you both very much.

Now on legal working, I should add, the Deliveroo has said it takes a zero-tolerant approach to anyone abusing its platform. Uber Eats has said they're committed to tackling illegal working and Just Eat. says it fully supports the government's efforts to tackle illegal immigration. Gentlemen, thank you very much. Now coming up next, Labour rebels are still threatening to reject the welfare reforms bill even after the Prime Minister watered it down with a 50% U-turn earlier on today. That's next.

Welcome back to GBDU tonight with me, your host, Martin Dauby. Now, Sir Keir Starmer, the prime minister, is facing yet another fresh rebellion. as the government's own modelling shows his watered-down welfare cuts will still push 150,000 people into poverty by 2030, with more than 50 MPs still expected to vote down the reforms tomorrow. The concessions will halve government savings from the five billion quid originally proposed.

to a mere two and a half billion pounds by the end of the decade. It's a big sum of money, but half the previous amount. That includes agreeing that those currently on personal independence payments pips can now keep their benefits. have also been real concerns about our initial proposals. We have listened carefully.

And we are making positive changes as a result. I fully understand that even though nine out of ten people claiming PIP when the changes come in would be unaffected by the end of this parliament, that this has called... deep and widespread anxiety. We will now ensure the new four-point requirement will only apply to new claims from November 2026.

There we go now. Some Labour Party big hitters have urged MPs to oppose the bill, including the Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham, who called it a just 50% U-turn. And that man... London Mayor Sadiq Khan, who says it needs radical transformation. But has the Prime Minister done enough to stave off a revolver once again? Has his U-turn left the electorate feeling pretty confused?

I'm delighted to join the studio now by the Reform UK MP for Runcorn and Helmsby, Sarah Pochin, as well as Chief News of Senior Political Commentator, Nigel Nelson. Sarah Pochin, a delight to have your company as ever. So we saw a U-turn. today a 50% U-turn saving two and a half billion pounds a year half the original saving of five billion quid I put it to you the total bill for benefits by the end of this decade by 2030 is going to be a hundred

billion pounds a day to many people felt like a climb down. This country is already bankrupt, partly due to the out of control benefits bill that we are now facing. Keir Starmer once again has U-turned already in the eight weeks that I've been in position. He's U-turned on the winter fuel allowance. He's U-turned on the grooming gangs. And here we are now U-turning on benefits. But he's U-turning because he's...

He's not worried he's going to lose the vote. He's not U-turning with any conviction about what he's saying. He's even said, oh, I'm sorry, British people. I've been abroad. So I've lost track of all of this. And he's actually admitted. that he has no conviction about what this... Bill, what this reform is trying to do. Now, as a voter, that leaves me feeling confused and concerned that my Prime Minister does not know what he's doing. Do you think there's a fair concern?

Certainly a lot of people perhaps from the reform party might think this doesn't go far enough. Two and a half billion pounds in savings. It's a lot of money in isolation. But in the grand scheme of things, it's chicken feed. It's a drop in the ocean. It's 2.5 percent. of the bill by 2030 would your party have some more radical ideas perhaps look martin this is like you say it's it's

Teetering on the edge here. You know, this is not going to make a huge difference. And the voters are confused. And, you know, I think people have lost interest in whether it's two and a half billion or five billion. Nobody believes these figures. Who's going to believe a prime minister?

who keeps changing his figures and new turning. If reform were in power, we would do something really radical. Let's look at some policies that are totally, you know, totally haven't been discussed, that are out of the box. know we say you know what you come into this country unless you can afford to be here unless you can afford to look after yourself and and buy your own house you get no benefits so let's say no benefits to anybody coming into this country

In the first five years, say. So in other words, yes, you're welcome to the come into this country and everything I say in when I'm asked these questions, you are welcome here. If you have something to offer, you are not welcome here. One, if you come in. illegally, you go straight back. But if you come in and you expect free housing, free driving lessons in my constituency, they're getting free mobile phones, free food allowances, free clothing.

You name it, it's free. And of course, as we know, they're in the meantime working for delivery and earning a lot of money. And I mentioned them, but of course, there are other companies. But the point is. It's on a win-win basis, these people coming into the country at the moment. No, let's do something radical. No benefits. Benefits that the British taxpayer pay for. Why should we pay? If you want to come into this country, you contribute.

Nigel Nelson, that would be a common sense policy, perhaps for all of the Red Wall areas that the Labour Party is straddling two camps. It's trying to please the Red Wall. You might agree with ideas like Miss Poggins, but it's also trying to... It's benefits addicted left.

hand rump, never the twain shall meet. Yeah, but the important thing here, I mean, what Sarah's talking about is different from benefit, well, from welfare anyway, from the disabled. What we've had here is we started off with the... cutting exercise

falsely dressed up as welfare reform. What we need to have is proper welfare reform. And the first thing you do is a review. Now, I welcome the changes the government have actually made to the original proposal, because at least now we will get a review. I didn't think Liz Kendall was actually terribly helpful today by suggesting that the review will still come to the same result they've got at the moment.

When it comes down, it comes down to pips. But the important thing is to find out the reason. Are we getting sicker? Are there too many people on benefits? Why are they on benefits? And then you can do something about it. Are people gaming the system? Sarah Bojan, as I have you here.

studio earlier when we had Ben Habib in here, of course, the former chairman of Reform UK. He's launching his party today at Advance UK. I think we've got a quick clip to show you. Today, I address you in a new capacity. I address you as the leader-in-waiting of Advance UK. Really? Come on, let's go. Hear that?

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You know, I'm sorry, there is only one party now that is the real opposition and that is Reform UK. Yeah, Ben can do this. Who's Ben Habib, for goodness sake? I've never even met the guy. The British public know that to be a force in politics now, which reform are, you need to have the courage of these convictions. You need to have a leader like Nigel Farage and they know that we will form the next government. So, yeah.

This Ben guy, he can launch what he wants. Let him get on with it. It's white noise. Reform is the party that is going to lead this government through the next general election. OK, well, there's a somewhat writhering response there. Thank you very much.

thank you as well to you nigel nelson now coming next after backlash over kneecap and bob villain the culture secretary lisa nandy says the bbc is in the firing line so is it right for ministers to step in and interfere with given policy and what could that mean for the beleaguered bbc that's next next.

Welcome back to GBNU tonight with me, your host, Martin Daubry, now for a huge backlash around kneecap and Bob Villan. The Culture Secretary, Lisa Nandy, earlier today announced in the Commons. Now, the government is on a collision course with the BBC over its coverage and its editorial standards.

outstanding questions remain including why this performance was broadcast live given the concerns regarding other acts in the weeks preceding the festival why the feed wasn't immediately cut when the chance of death to the IDF began, and what due diligence was done prior to the decision to broadcast this particular act to the nation.

So is it right for government ministers and the prime minister himself to intervene in the BBC's editorial treatment? And if so, what might that punishment look like? Well, now the Telegraph is reporting this evening that the BBC director general made the decision. not to pull the live stream of Bob Villan's glass of performance from iPlayer while attending the festival himself. The plot thickens.

And to discuss this and dissect it, I'm delighted to say I'm joined in the studio by the former Attorney General, Sir Michael Ellis, as well as my colleague, Jimmy News' Senior Political Accommodator, Nigel Nelson. Sir Michael Ellis, let's start with you first. What's your take on the BBC's treatment?

of Glastonbury, and do you think it requires governmental intervention? Not only do I think it requires governmental intervention, I think it requires heads to roll, Martin. I think this is a step too far. And frankly, I think it's time now for Tim Davie as Director General of the BBC to go. We cannot have the situation that we have.

now seen at Glastonbury being broadcast on our airwaves. You know, there are hundreds of thousands of Jewish people in this country who are obligated, like everybody else, to pay their license fee.

Can you imagine those Jewish people who are in this country who are required by law to pay the license fee when the BBC are transmitting that type of material? Now, the fact is... they walked into this with their eyes wide open it seems to me both the glastonbury organization itself and the bbc it's pretty rare martin that you have both kemi badenok and keir starmer agreeing on something they both warned beforehand

about Glastonbury. Those warnings were ignored and now we are where we are. So Michael, if this report from The Telegraph is true... And that man, Tim Davey, the BBC director general, made the decision himself not to pull the live stream of Bob Villiers' performance while he was at the festival himself. Is that the final piece for you of Damning Evidence? Yes, it is. I think he really does have to go. The fact is, even if he was not there himself, even if he was so-called off-duty,

The fact is, he is the head of the organisation. It's extremely easy. All broadcasters know, and I'm sure many people at home would imagine it's common sense. There is a cutoff switch that can be pressed. And if you are covering an event like Glastonbury, especially with...

all the pre warnings about it. Someone in the gallery there in the control room literally should have had their finger hovering over the cutoff button. They shouldn't have taken anybody by surprise and if they were going to broadcast this stuff they should have been ready.

to cut it off at very quick notice. To have made an active decision to broadcast it is outrageous. And Sir Michael asks, what's of Glastonbury itself? Of course, they have a fallow year next year. They have to let their site have a rest. But should they? lose their license well i think they're in trouble and i spoke just a short time ago to the campaign against anti-semitism a charity a noted charity in this country and they are planning to write to glastonbury and to the local authorities

who are responsible for what's called a premises licence, which is the events licence for such an event as Glastonbury, and challenge the continuation of that licence. And I can fully understand why that be the case, because... This is a international event licensed with over 200,000 people to attend and they have a responsibility to adhere.

to the standards that are required by that license. And now this charity, the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, is challenging that license going forward. So Glastonbury is in real trouble. Do you think the sad state of affairs for Michael Ellis is that we've had this conversation for so long now, there seems to be a collective mindset at the BBC itself of a...

pro-Palestine position, a challenging position on Israel. And what we saw the weekend was the sad yet inevitable outcome of that. I'm afraid that's right. And that's certainly the perception. that many people do have. Because this isn't the first time this has occurred or something similar to it has occurred. There have been other examples of this.

And so there's understandable concern that the BBC is not a neutral party in this debate. And it's a tragedy for their own reputation, for those of us that care about the BBC as an institution. We don't it's not in anybody's interests for that international reputation to be sullied by by the fact that people don't feel they can believe they're reporting on this topic. When it comes to Middle East, the Middle East topics.

There are many people who increasingly don't feel they can trust the BBC. And that surely is fatal when you're expected to pay a tax to receive that coverage. So, Michael, that's withering stuff there. Let's bring you in, Nigel Nelson. If... this telegraph report is true it's just a report but if it's true and the decision was placed with the head honcho himself who didn't do that

That's damning evidence. Yeah, I think that's extraordinary. I mean, I certainly think that what we needed to know was exactly what the procedures are at the BBC for pulling live coverage like that, which it should have been pulled. And if it was the director general who said, no, don't pull it. that is extraordinary what we should wait for should he get the chop no hang on before you before he gets the chop

I think you're to go through the right process. The police are investigating. No charges have been brought yet. We wait to see if that process go all the way through. It's not a police charge, is it? This is an editorial remit, George. You've worked in newspapers many years.

many years if an editor made the decision to not pull a libelous or a dangerous story the editor would get yes what's the difference what i'm saying here is that the responsibility for that was for the bbc um to pull the live coverage and pull it immediately offensive comments were made. I think that that's what should have happened.

Before we end up with the resignation of the director general, let us see the case take its course and see what happens there. Do you think that process, well, let's look at all the evidence will be taken, for example, I don't know, if GB News... broadcast something that the Twitter artist didn't like. Come on.

No, I think if GB News had been broadcasting, then it wouldn't have been broadcast. We'd have pulled the plug immediately. You're actually correct on that. You are correct on that. Except they ought to have... Yes, they do accept that. When Michael talks about the BBC being... pro-Palestinian. I don't think that's true. That's a perception. Well, the other point there is the Israelis will not allow international journalists into Gaza, so it's very difficult to get independent reporting.

out of that. You might get killed in any war zone. You might have got killed in Afghanistan or Iraq. Even assuming that's correct, any journalist has a responsibility to broadcast factual information or write factual information. And if they can't stand something up, not to report or print it. Israel also has an obligation to allow independent journalists to go into a war zone to see for themselves exactly what is going on. I don't think they do, but that's a different subject.

You can't report from something if you're not there. The reality of the matter is they've been doing a lot of reporting. And their reporting is not trusted by a large number of people. And that's injurious to the BBC's reputation. And what we've been seeing in... the last few days is is sullying international relations but it's also perhaps most importantly damaging

community cohesion in this country. We're now seeing, I've seen reports today at other locations, other protests, some of these odious chance being repeated now in other places. So are we going to see this now, this message, this example being repeated? It's an appalling travesty for community cohesion in this country. Okay, so Michael Ellis, the former...

general thank you very much for joining us and also nigel nelson thanks for your input now regarding the director general tim davis's involvement in the decision to keep the iplayer live stream of bob villan up GB News has contacted the BBC for comments, but on the event itself. The BBC spokesperson said this. Some of the comments made during Bob Villan's performance were deeply offensive. And during this live stream on iPlayer, we've reflected what was happening on stage.

A warning was issued on screen about these very strong and discriminatory language. We have no plans to make the performance available on demand. Now, in a statement shared on Instagram on Sunday. The artist Bob Villan said this, teaching our children to speak up for the change they want and need is the only way that we make this world a better place.

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Welcome back to GB News tonight with me, your host, Martin Dordman. Jamaica is once again turning up the heat in its fight for slavery reparations. This time, though, they're taking its case straight to the top table, straight to the king. The Caribbean nation is demanding justice and compensation for centuries of colonial exploitation and slavery. The Jamaican government has submitted a formal petition asking the king to refer questions about Britain's historical responsibility.

to the Privy Council. I'm very pleased now to be joined by Lord Tony Sewell, the former chairman to Boris Johnson's commission on race and ethnic disparities. Lord Sewell, a delight to have your company. What do you make of this?

latest quest for reparations and is it correct and proper to be involved in the king i don't think it's proper but i think what you've got to understand is and i don't know if your viewers get it about why they've gone to the Privy Council and what is the Privy Council just a quick thing on that what it is they're a group of advisors gone back right to the Norman times really in a sense and we've kept this

kind of institution going as a way of trying to advise the king on legal matters so that then he then gives the royal stamp if necessary if there are any legal issues there look Here's a problem Jamaica has. It really doesn't know how to really, I think, convey to its own population the fact that...

It's an independent country and it should start doing governance properly. It's got issues around education. It's got issues around roads and water. And those things, I think, are the key things that are about the country. whole issue around reparations is a massive really diversion away from those key issues around its own governance i think that's the problem i think we've got here secondly an election is down the road around the corner as well so it's it's an attempt also

to maybe sort of say, well, look, here we are. We're going after the king. Here is another way of trying to get reparations on the map. And it's worth pointing out, Lord Cyril, that... Back in the 1830s, a huge sum of money was paid out by the British government at the time to slave owners, around about 20 million pounds.

The Jamaican government now are demanding a substantive, a similar sum to slaves themselves or the descendants of. Well, that's about 7.6 billion quid. It's never going to happen in a month of Sundays, is it? You know, I think I'm entitled to some of that as well, actually, because my parents are Jamaican and I think it comes to this. Look, if you said to the Jamaican population today, here is seven, one figure is seven trillion. The next I think is 17 trillion.

They would say, yes, please, as anybody would say. And the other thing is that... I think this is a bad time, isn't it? We're just having these welfare cut issues and somebody rolls up to us and says, can we have seven trillion pounds, please? I mean, it just doesn't, it just, you know, for anything, it is virtue.

signalling at the at the best of it and i think that what i'm quite frustrated and a little ashamed that the jamaican government have pulled this one because in a way i don't think if you i mean let me tell you there's another issue in this is that They also want for us to get rid of the king as well. So they want actually a referendum. So do you want it both ways? Do you want to have...

this whole idea of reparations, but yet at the same time you're asking the king to do it, at the same time you want to chop off his head at the same time. You know, what do you want? And so I think there are real conflicting issues, but they really are not to do with reparations in the end, but other policies.

politics that is being played out here. And also a quick 20 seconds. You think as well that Jamaica smells blood because we've got people like David Lammy in charge who might actually agree with this madness. He might. I mean, his origin is Guyanese and they're doing very well. I've got oil and I think their economy is better than ours. So, I mean, there are real issues here. But no, I think that I think he's he's.

taking court with people coming up and asking for reparations recently. But look, I think that what will happen... Lord Tony, we've simply ran out of time. It's been a delight to have your company. Sensationally, truly has. Thank you very much for having us on the show.