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and now my freight of thunderstorms those are scary .
Why you're afraid of thunderstorms ?
I just am sorry . I was on Peely and I had no cell phone service , so I had fourth light up and I'm trying to get back to Portland from Peely , which is only 20 miles , like southwest , southwest and right through the center of the Lake Erie Islands , about 20 miles well , yeah , really it is .
I mean you're splitting Putt and Bay and Kelly's Island almost exactly , if you go right , on course . But there's just a bunch of weather coming through and weather out of the south just tracking right over top of Portland , like right on the flight line , and I have . I text Jeff because I saw him on fray . I'm like hey , you flying today .
He's like no , I'm off , but he's like he's because I can't populate a radar image . I can
¶ Discussion on Thunderstorms and Aviation
just look at the clouds and the Griffin flying service isn't flying . I'm like okay , and they have weather they can watch usually not a good sign .
Usually not a good sign exactly . I'm like you guys aren't flying right .
So , like I'm , it's there's , just I don't have enough information . They're not flying , so it must be bad . I can populate an image with no movement . So I text him because I saw him on Friday when he just showed up and so I thought he may be flying , but he wasn't .
But he sent me a screenshot of what the radar looked like , with , no , no movement , of course , but it was just . It was better than what I had and it's just when you , it's just when you get out of it and you don't have a capable airplane , like you're , just might . I'm putting my family in this thing . I don't have the capabilities I'm used to having .
You just think about things different . And so we went back to the house and came back , and went back to the house and came back and it was .
It was a goat rope for sure this is the flight back after you had the fuel switch thing well , it was a couple flights after that actually .
But yeah , right , right , yeah , I mean , it's just the GA stuff , man , it's just like I'm just , I'm out of , I'm not on my game anymore . I've gotten lazy .
My skills of atrophied my , I mean , I have a different set of skills that are maybe a little bit more , you know , bolstered than they were well , by a lot , but then I have other skills that are just totally worthless so that's right , your power failure on takeoff clip .
It's doing fairly well on YouTube after I posted a couple days ago well , I was going to seem to be very receptive to it and interested in it .
I wish I knew what I said , but yeah , it was , it was . It was an interesting moment yeah .
I thought it was a fantastic glory fantastic learning experience .
I don't remember . It's probably drinking just like I am now , and I won't remember this either okay then .
Um , yeah , that I can wrap that up for some sort of episode . I'm just going to go in the chit chat . Yeah , I can break that up into two , I think oh , okay , sure yeah okay , roll with it . Um go arounds are illegal . Uh , talking about a lot , a lot of Catalina talk is that yeah , live in a wine mixers or someone had live atc .
That's a another good one to live atc is a good one .
When I was flying the airlines and I saw it a Chicago , uh , chicago hair trip on my schedule , I listen live atc to see what people were doing .
So that's what another thing is um , depending how deep you get into your simulator . So , on my sim I had that I want to say was that sim at the time where I was working with my work on my double cfi , so on , that's on . Uh , that's in .
What they would do is there was people that were pretending they were atc or I don't want to say pretending , but that's what they wanted to do .
So some people on the on the sims , if you were online , wanted to fly a plane or whatever , and so it was very easy if you wanted to get New York and there was someone who would act like they were New York center , they were um , gfk or something like that , and they would give you like headings or whatever , and it's like you were actually talking to an
atc person . I love that they off duty atc . They could have been , could have been , could have been any .
I doubt it . I know what atc controllers . Like man , I'm off work ?
yeah , but what ? What off duty pilot is doing that I'm gonna .
I'm gonna walk this one . No , I'm gonna .
I'm gonna walk into what ? Anyway , I'm gonna fire up flight sim and I'm gonna do my job for free on my days off so anyway .
I don't know um maybe were they good they were good , but I ended up with a Toledo guy , the guy that was working Toledo tower , and that's where I had to fly into for my double CFI hold on .
He was a Toledo tower controller . No , he was acting like he was oh , first .
So when you get online it would show okay , and this , this tower is open or whatever . And this person was acting like you very rarely got like Cleveland Center or or uh , hopkins , but for some reason this day there was a guy acting like he was Toledo approach and so I was able to work with this guy .
So , I mean , that's that's a little bit more than like we're talking least communication or live atc or whatever . But so , yeah , there's stuff on there that you could do too .
But yeah , there was one I plain English was another one that you could do and it would give you like um , a call and you would call back and if you got it correct , it would move you on to the next , the next thing it was an app on the phone yeah , plain English .
I'll have to download it the word like plain as an airplane , not just you know , oh , I get it yeah .
I see what you did there yeah okay , that's good I appreciate a good marketing thing you know a lot of atc's pilots like do they have private ? Pilots . What do you think the percentage is actually ?
there's I think there's a big percentage but what's a big percentage is that 30 percent it's probably most are not pilots .
I would say 30 percent but there is a chunk that are oh yeah , there's some there .
Yeah , die hard yeah , we only had something like Google or something .
I wonder if that would have it do it up , all right , your droid is already like ready to go oh there we go , iphone guy yeah absolutely let me tilt the mics up so you guys can stand .
I don't know , I don't know what to do . You know the episode . We were pretty relaxed now , so it's like this is just the after chat . I'm gonna read some chats check , check , check oh , we got so .
Well , yeah , is the episode over . Yeah , oh , okay , good , cut it okay it's probably fine there's so many things , guys , it's so hard to follow .
I know it's not moving much for you , but like for me , I'm like I can't even track conversation we have going in here , let alone what's going on , yeah , yeah , okay , runway is a gradient , we were there um , I did look at that .
So , as that airport he's talking about was like 340 feet at one end , follow this 340 feet MSL at one end in like 110 feet at the other end . There's a 200 foot gradient from one end to the other .
Nice that , burnsville , you're talking about yeah there's like a citation mustang in the twitter video that was taken off from it well , it can totally do it .
I was at an airport . It was significant , it would . Um . So I found out , even with the tailwind
¶ Importance of Runway Gradient in Aviation
up to a certain amount , we it was almost up to like 15 knots . It was always beneficial for us . It was such a gradient for us . We always need to just take , take off one runway . I would just it was in Virginia , somewhere , I can't even remember but um , it was crazy .
Like when I came in there to land and we landed uphill , it was like crazy , I'm like we need to take off that way . There's no way when . And then I ran the numbers with up to more wind than what it was actually forecasted , but I wanted to see what the threshold was before it said , okay , it's better for you to take off uphill than downhill .
And it was like 15 or 17 knots or something like that . Huh , it's crazy . It was such a gradient and that's similar to what you're talking . Now , that was a short runway . This is a decently long runway but I saw they were going .
The jet was taking off down downhill so I guess the point I'm trying to make is typically , if you have a gradient like that , it is better to take off downhill . Look at the numbers at the time temperature , all those good things , but in a jet .
But um , if you have a gradient significant , definitely think about , don't just think about headwind , which is typically what we do with it with most of your boards we're going to . Headwind is huge because we can take off only with a maximum , like in the airplane I fly . It's a maximum of ten knots tailwind .
That's a limitation because they did , they didn't test the airplane beyond that . It's not that I can't do it , they didn't test the airplane beyond that . And this I do it . It can absolutely do it . And , of course , if the runway is a Huge gradient like it , doesn't make sense to go uphill with only a two-knot headwind .
It's just , it's just um , but um , run the numbers is the bottom line . Think about gradient , not just headwind .
So if you want to be a vatsim controller , there's five levels . Oh , wow . Yeah .
Serious stuff there . What's level one ?
level one is tower training , the first rating , which allows you to get started on Some aerodrome position . So vatsim must be out of like Europe . Then you get all the way at the senior controller a C3 .
Wow , yeah , what are the , what are ? Some little space stuff between we should get Scott to like try to do .
Some . What's the point ?
This is what is this allow you to play Air traffic controller on a what is it simulator .
Yeah , that's them . So I think how do you get vetted , Like how does that ? They got people Okay you get a global rate . It's a global rating .
This is a thing .
Yeah .
I never knew this was a thing .
Wow .
Okay , but but a turbo Buick . He's saying I should make ATC people have like five hours and a GA plane . I think that'd be helpful . I would feel like it'd be helpful if every pilot did like a tower tour and like Watch them for a little bit that goes both ways ?
Yeah , absolutely . I believe that's called operation rain check . I think you can look that up in the aim .
Yeah , oh , you talk about Getting on the tower . Yep , yeah , but that's so hard to get on there a lot they those spots fill up like Soon as they post it . So it's where they take you into , like Cleveland Center , and you get to see the inner workings .
Okay , it seems like it's super easy to me .
No , it's called rain . I used to be , I mean . I remember trying to sign up one time for it , it was . It was almost impossible . Like every time it would post it would be filled up like the matter of minutes . Maybe now it's not that big of a deal .
I don't know , maybe there's different ways to like go for a tower tour or something like that . Yeah , I maybe . Operational rain check is maybe not the best .
Yeah , rain check for anybody that yeah yeah .
Exit ? Yeah , I think .
Yeah , I was in banter toe training .
I think if you just said my name's griffing , the whole class opens all kinds of doors for you in the world .
The whole crew class thing what do you want to call it went out drinking the night before , so we're like a bit hungover the next day . So we didn't fly . Safety first .
Yeah absolutely .
We eight hours by a lot of the problem and we applaud you for that .
We got a bunch of donuts and we took them up . We just kind of just drove to the tower , just Knocked on the door . We have donuts and let us up . We just kind of hung out the tower .
I Love it . I love everything about it .
There's your answer . I just donuts .
Yeah , operation rain check more like operations . But it's the interface for us to understand . Jeff's point is perfect . Yeah , for us to understand their side of things and for them to understand our side of things Could not be . I mean I think it's great . All the controllers , all the controls that I know personally . None of them have private positive tickets .
I know different Universities that do the air traffic control courses . It can help . It shaves a lot of credits off if you do them , I mean so I mean that's super cool .
If you have your private or have a recreational pilot certificate can't have a light sport at least last I knew but any of the Certified pilots , recreational being the base level , it shaves a lot of people have that .
So when I was partnered in a 180 , one of the partners was . He worked for center in .
Cleveland yeah , he was a pilot .
Yeah , so .
I Know it exists , I don't . I don't think it's 50% though .
Yeah , I don't think maybe as high as I thought it was Well , I mean . I know at one time I thought you had to be a pilot to be ATC and then I think they dropped that requirement .
Oh , I'm gonna look yeah , go , go look it up .
Look it up .
I don't , I don't know that that was ever a requirement . I know it helps for college courses . It counts as a bunch of your credits .
So I think those incoming you know Whatever college kids , college students they're thinking okay , I can get my pilot certificate and then it also shaves off for my ATC , which we're probably gonna make more money and have a Pension and stuff .
Yeah , let's offer that for scuba diving to some colleges in Florida will accept a Patty certificate is like a college credit .
So if I came to you and said my goal was to be a crop duster , uh-huh , would your first lesson be different ?
Oh See , when we say want to be a professional pilot , we're always thinking , oh , airlines or corporate or something . What if somebody's like I ?
Treated the same .
I want to go as professional or fun .
It went , I would a professional I am , so for the private pilot certificate , I would treat it differently now , just as I've progressed myself . But I would treat it very much so stick-and-rutter oriented , where I'm not so much like all the finite things of Regulations and airspace , I'd be more like just nuts and bolts . Fly this airplane .
I will teach you Barely what you need to know to pass the check ride , to pass the oral , which I mean in , in , if the student is Able to digest and we have the , the , the , the bandwidth , if you will to put stuff in there , fine . But like you have to read the person not saying you're not . It's very , very general .
Put in 10 pounds of shit in a 5-pound bag . Like you have to look at at the audience what they when , at what point did they become despondent
¶ Flight Training and Rudder Skills
in a given lesson ? You know what I mean and it's like I Gotta try and feed this in at some point . You know I gotta cover these regs for you to pass this check ride so you can have a competent conversation when you take your check ride . That , that , uh , that becomes .
That becomes difficult and it becomes sometimes for people who want to seek Something like that , I just want to crop dust , I just want to banter toe , or I just want to fly the islands . That's what that was , jeff , and I'm not saying that , but Obviously you have a different tactic and you're gonna teach him the bare minimum for airspace now .
He went on and got his CFI , got his double-eye . He didn't just he could have stopped it as commercial , but he didn't . He went beyond that . So , like I know , he gained some from that airspace wise and you know he got a little airspace with on his instrument .
But yeah , I would focus very much so Manhandle this airplane , get it to do what you want it to do . Stick and rudder , tailwheel stuff , seaplane stuff all that stuff will help get that , get you in tune with the airplane , be part of like Wear it instead of , you know , fly in it type thing .
I Don't got those crop dusting on pilot groundcom .
Yeah , he's always posting talking about , yeah , cool stuff , yeah and yeah . And I don't know that if I had a somebody , if I had somebody who wanted to be airline pilot versus crop duster , initially I don't think I'd make that much distinction .
I , if I'm gonna go put my family in the back of an airliner with you flying , I want you to have the same stick and nerdy skills as somebody who's crop dusting . That's why I would look at it . Maybe it does , I don't know .
Stick and rudder stick around .
That's the shit that saves lives . That's the shit that saves lives .
Yeah .
What's his name laying on the Hudson ?
Well , that's saving lives here .
That's not knowing F A R's that's not knowing shit . That's understanding energy management and sticking rudder skills .
That's it I , In my opinion you have that engine failure 100 feet off the ground . F A ? R Don't matter at that point . No , yeah , that sticking rudder skill . Yeah bank that airplane over on Joint Cross runway ? Yeah , you said you would have land whatever happened .
Whatever you need to do , do go as drastic as you need to and and preserve the energy so that , when you get down to basically getting close to hitting the ground , you can at least arrest the descent and not kill everybody .
Obviously , there's some scenarios where that isn't possible at all , but the best chance , I think , is putting that sticking rudder skill from day one . Oh yeah power off 180s , be comfortable . Crank in that over 60 degrees of bank at 30 feet . I think that those are important things .
There's that classic book sticking rudder . You've always been a fan of I have not read it yet .
Oh man , You're not borrowing mine . It's a 1947 copy . It's in a ziplock bag in my fireproof safe .
Please got an insurance policy on it .
It's not my homeowners .
Not for real .
Yeah , it's a 1947 copy . It's original edition of stick and rudder by Wolfgang language .
I want to try to buy an original now nerd alert , do it up . Let's see if I can Stick in a rudder man went to oh , look here on Google , on Amazon it's for dollar 37 .
autograph doesn't copy First first farm agent first look at that email .
It's like oh , oh yeah .
So , but here's the thing , though it's in the on the inside written given to my dad . Okay so it's like somebody got it from . My dad was born in 46 . Gotcha so I don't know when they gave it to him per se , but in my mind it's like right then he was a toddler .
He was born , they gave it to him . Absolutely .
I think that's yeah , I was in his nursery with him .
So like is that the Griffith family Bible basically yeah , yeah .
Yeah , I should show you when you're just over the other day it was right underneath those .
Logbooks . You're not that good of a friend . That's why I didn't show you .
I got the only classic lot family log books . The other day I was like oh my gosh . You know I was afraid to touch them .
You know what ? As a owner and designer , the number one escape room in the Erie County , I could design like a hidden room for you that you could hide that booklet so someone doesn't break in there and take it would be a fireproof .
It'd be fireproof . How many guns would it hold ? Make ?
it as big as you want my movie theater you gotta . You got to turn a coat hook to unlock the the door .
Let's see now .
Everybody knows , I don't know where I live okay , all right Brunk horse saying air back flights sure are fun and explore going past the limits of an aircraft beyond just a basic spin . You guys ever done air back I . It's not my to-do list , I never have .
I've never done it , but I have . I've been in a Stearman that the guy did some stuff , so Some rolls and whatever . It was pretty cool I . Yeah , I've always wanted extra 300 , you know who you need for that kind of stuff in here Jeremy , jeremy , Colvin .
He's a legend legend , I'm sure this is some dude . We know , or we know , we know okay , it's got his own airstrip , oh . I Always like guys that own their own airstrips . Yeah they're usually fairly interesting people 1944 , copy $46 .
Okay but to me it's .
I don't have the memo , though it's priceless .
I think it comes in audio book too .
That's what they said not .
Not the same , not the same guys . I want to read it .
I want to read it , cuz you've talked about her before we even had the show .
It's an amazing book . It's an amazing book everybody the audio version .
Wolfgang himself reads it to you .
No , he doesn't , yes , he does what ?
Yes , that is cool I don't even know yeah how do you know ? That I don't just make it up .
So excited .
I didn't know , recorded on an album .
Absolutely yeah right , oh exactly , why am I doing your work on your graph ?
On a ribbon microphone . Exactly , it's on my . It's how much to read list I should .
I should move it up my pile of store has them for 2295 .
I always just assumed , since you were so into the book and I like fairly decent at writing and marketing , we could . We could just redo like a Like our generation's version of that book .
It'd be more like a leaflet or or what about an episode of lee reading , reading , reading a chapter ?
I would do that for you . Let's have scott reading a chapter .
Oh , that would take 30 hours we got a . I'm in the process . I got to figure out which reviews five star reviews we haven't read yet .
Look , we can get James Earl , james Earl Jones yeah .
Oh , if you want sleeping material , oh .
No , james Earl .
Jones , the voices of Darth Vader . Oh yeah , okay you know well , Scott would have been some .
Yeah , we gotta get Scott to do some . We got to find a book Aviation book in the public domain and have scott read it , release it as a free audiobook .
No , not free . I think people would pay to hear it .
Yeah , yeah , it's torture like a pay-per-view we could get , yeah , maybe pay for an editor . So could I have release an episode in three weeks because I had no time to edit .
No , vader doesn't put me to sleep . I'm just saying Darth Vader , doesn't James Earl Jones put you to sleep ?
Nope .
Darth Vader doesn't put me to sleep , but James Earl Jones , I think , would they're actually one of the same . I know they are that's I said then you're saying that Vader's putting to sleep .
Well , he's do . I gotta do everything over here for you specific way when he's Darth Vader .
I don't know who that is .
Darth Vader . I know who Darth Vader is .
I didn't know that .
Yeah , well , I didn't know that . Isn't he like um ?
I thought it was like an intern talking into a coffee pot or something that did the voice .
Nope .
Okay , you could use .
AI for anyone's voice .
I can't somebody describe this to me .
I don't know what this . I don't know what I'm saying .
Nope , exactly . So because you're not here , this is all AI . I'm with on Darth Vader .
I've never seen anything you've never seen the movies .
I've never seen the movies . Hold on , no , no , no , that's in close .
I've never seen . Oh , that's you . Oh okay , he's talking about you . Yeah , he's seen them .
Okay , gotcha .
He has to have .
I have no desire to even watch them though deep fake . Scott's voice has been recorded enough . With the podcast , you could probably train AI on Scott's voice . Scott claims AI took over his pilotgroundcom account and was pretending to be Dr Physics for months . Yes , it's very possible .
It wanted all the glory for itself .
I thought Scott was just being a jackass . Well , he probably was . He claims AI had hacked his account and was running stuff on his account as AI under the name Dr Physics .
I heard the Russians were targeting pilotground .
They're like you know what .
We're done with the election . Hell it's pilotgrounds are next .
Yep that seems reasonable .
I see the servers . It's rough .
A lot of Slavic alphabet coming through on those requests Seriously Danovich . Yeah , oh , we got an insider . We got an insider .
Okay , anything , aviation , I guess , maybe at all .
So hard to keep up on pilot with all the nonstop traffic . Pilotgrounds have been sleepy . We want to get . Yeah , I've been redoing it , I've been deleting half of the spaces and Simplifying . Trying to simplify . I got to go through from someone who's never signed up . They come to the site and do that workflow . It's all screwed up .
I haven't touched it since , like 2022 . We launched it .
My problem is , I'm not a social media person .
It's not like social media .
Well , you know it's something that attaches me to a cell phone which I don't like .
You know what I mean . It's down on the circle , I happen .
Like a glue to a different screen . So , that would be .
Yeah , well , yeah , it's messaging with friends on pilot ground .
And I get that and I want to be helpful to people . We had people in here like I'm going to take my check ride and whatever , and I want to be a part of that . I want to , if it helps and whatever , and tell me how the check ride goes . I am invested in that .
But you guys have a legit question .
What's up ? Who said what I can't find ?
you , I'm Andreas , you guys , oh , I've not had a chance to fly in Southern Florida working on it . Whether wise , it's pretty different Top suggestions , like through Florida , compared to the Northeast . I don't know where , andreas , he said earlier Miami . Well , he moved to Miami .
Well , he moved there , but he said from Chirac , which I assume was Chicago oh yeah , chirac .
Got to wear a Kim wire when you go to the store . Scott Boris was just there , he survived he survived , he survived . He did not . I was talking to him about it yesterday . He was not pleased with Chirac .
Yeah , summer thunderstorms .
Summer thunderstorms Probably going to be one during the day .
I don't even know if I would say summer , I would just say afternoon thunderstorms , almost period , yeah , no winters are Less . Well , I mean pretty , but three quarters of the year is thunderstorms in the afternoon .
Okay , what did you say I'm just thinking Southeast Florida .
Okay .
I'm just the only area I'm super familiar with the weather , you probably .
He's talking about Miami , so that's fine yeah .
You probably experienced the whole length of Florida .
Yes .
Where I don't experience the full length .
I know , but so you would not say I just know the tip , just the tip .
Yes .
So how would you say ? The weather pattern is then Month to month .
It's windy and not much weather , but what about spring , fall and summer Thunderstorms ? Yeah , that's what I'm saying Almost daily .
Okay , three quarters of the year is thunderstorms in the afternoon in Southeast South Florida .
Yeah .
Okay , yeah , that's what I'm saying . I'm with you . Yeah , winner is good . Yeah , tons of flight training . Tons of flight training . Be , on flight following , unless you're staying in the pattern for sure .
Do not yet be very careful , be very vigilant flying around there is an idiot around every corner in the sky . Yes , in Florida .
There's a lot of language barriers . Yes , atc , not being sure of what a student is requesting . Atc being so busy , they cannot give you flight following or they're not giving you the same capability of flight following that you're used to . Maybe up in the north , northeast , midwest yeah , weather for sure , which , of course , you'll look at before you take off .
Once you get in flight , traffic I think is going to be your biggest consideration .
Yeah , yeah , watch out for weather .
Everybody's going north-south , everybody's going north-south .
Unless you're running over the Bahamas . Just a Bahama guide in Miami too . There's instructors in the southeast coast of Florida there that just they'll do Bahamas checkouts . The lesson will just be showing you how to safely go over the Bahamas , go through customs and all that that's .
In my opinion , some of the coolest flying you can do out of southeast Florida is
¶ Considerations for Flying and Safety Equipment
leave Florida and go to some places . Looks beautiful from the air .
Take your milk chucks .
Take your milk chucks , preferably Coast Guard approved life jackets . Now that Scott's here , we can say that yeah that's true . Yeah , us Coast Guard approved life jackets .
I've been researching I know you have I've been researching life jackets , life rafts .
How is the life raft research going ?
I mean it's going well . I mean , my pilot store is where I've seen a lot of the . I'm doing a very generic search , but I would not say call them affordable . No , I mean .
I'm not a big fan of the scheme of things .
You know , you're talking several thousand dollars .
Several thousand dollars .
Yeah , you probably have a life fix expectancy on them , don't they ? What do you mean ? Like they're only good for so many years ?
Yeah , and then they need to be re-certified or tested and I haven't bought one to get all the literature . I'm not even close to buying one , but like I know ours , like commercially , like they have a TSO , which is Dance for Technical Service Order . They're all approved by the FAA . They have intervals , inspection intervals and replacement intervals and whatever .
I haven't gotten that far , but they're like two to three thousand dollars and you can go as in-depth as you want . You know , before a Cirrus , for example , you get a four-place , you got Seems to have all the bells and whistles , all the ballast things you know to make it stable in the ocean .
Or , and I treat Lake Erie almost from a and we've talked about this before just from the Chop and all the stuff almost ocean-like in terms of what it can turn up to quickly .
Yeah .
The one then I'm kind of looking at and I'm looking at a primary for price . It's four person , it's like twenty five hundred bucks . My , I think it's my pilot stores or I'm looking at it . Haven't pulled the trigger .
But and then lifejackets a Big fan of the Mustang survival Basically you wear them all the time and then they're just like ready , you're on and just pull the thing so we had a lifejacket .
Inflatable . So we well , the Mustangs ? No , they're not inflatable , I mean so definitely Mustang that are inflatable . Okay and I take it back . There might be some that are inflatable there a hundred percent are no .
Yeah , huh .
I'm not a hundred percent of them . Oh yeah , oh okay , I was gonna say cuz we use , some of them are mustangs .
We used to use Mustang suits on the fire department all the time and they weren't inflatable , but you could .
Fights on the show you get .
You could . They were nice . Like I said , you would just wear those and yeah it's a what it's a like a survival suit that you float in . It also keeps you warm .
Okay yeah , big suits , they call them in the yachting or go well , yeah , the .
So gumby suits were the like the original ones . Gumby suits were a little bit different .
They were they still have these well , they still have they were course for all the pool and Fort Lauderdale .
They were mostly . They were like gumby , where the Mustang is more workable , like you could walk around in a Mustang suit and do other stuff where the original gumby suits which we used to have those too prior to that . You look like gumby the character . Yeah and it was hard
¶ Water Activity Safety and Preparations
to do anything with in those , in those things .
But yeah , off a high diving board , yeah , a pool , and all you do is just you just land the water and your arms just like Out . But if you use the nose .
If you use the nose during , like a Winter , during the summertime , then actually actually you can float other people with you with the Mustang . You know I'm saying so It'll , it'll hold you up in . The Mustang suit will also hold you and someone else .
Yeah , I can't like wear a suit like I need it , like a ready I get in the water . I don't want it to automatically inflate .
That's like something I don't want well , what I'm trying to tell you is there are Mustang suits that you don't need to inflate where you already . You'll be floatable in those .
But I gotta have it on yeah . Well , I got a kill from 3,000 feet and I'm descending to 800 feet a minute and I got to get this thing on no , you just wear it , I'm not , and this is just hoping you get out of the airplane Right .
Yeah , well , that's open . I'm like your doors , open doors .
It's why you fly Cessna's .
They got two doors smaller doors that are hard to get out of , in my opinion . I Just want a get . Let me get in the water and then I'll just pull the thing and inflate the vests .
Gotcha .
I don't have any fitment issues . I have no automatic inflate .
I'm completely in control and you just do summer flights to the cottage .
Yeah , so now the water is cold on Memorial Day typically , when we open , we go get in the water at the beach . So I won't , I just ditch in the water , that doesn't yes . Temperature wise , no problem . We might go hyper thermic and die after a little bit .
At least we'll survive the initial five to ten minutes , hopefully so till somebody come , gets you yeah the rest .
that's why I want the raft .
That's why I want the raft okay . It's like 18 pounds . You get out of the water . Cheap insurance policy .
You're still wet and cold , but you're still wet and you're doing better than in the water .
Yes , by a lot by a lot . Yeah , I think that probably buys us probably 50% more time .
I would think at least .
So I won't . I won't this year . I at least want to do life jackets , life preservers , but I think I'm actually gonna lean towards the airline style in the pouch .
Okay , tyler just says , just don't fly shitty planes .
That sounds easy . That sounds easy , but we're not talking . We're only going 20 miles and the period of time yes , we could totally do that . We could totally do what you're saying , yeah , but the route you take .
I mean you , I've seen you , you fly and it's a great route . You take Peely . I'll go back to Portland . You're taking Peely over Middle Island , over Kelly's over , uh .
That was the last time , because the weather again altitude the whole time too you like to get I mean you're within , you're within , you're within glad and distance of everything .
But when you're doing it with your family and board , it doesn't feel like it . I remember those days . I remember those days , but when I got my kids in the back , they can't swim worth the shit .
What do you at 2,500 feet ?
AGL okay . I like 3,000 to 3,500 MSL .
So do you think you could glide within light , in distance of everything you're at ?
nope , and I'm why am I gonna take that chance ? 3,500 , I feel pretty okay , but when I got a 30 knot headwind , like I did the other day , I went up to Peely at 152 knots ground speed . So if I turn that around I'm doing like 70 knots ground speed coming back , which I had to do excited , double triptych size , taking my in-laws .
When you're doing that and you're just like watching the same thing for minutes at a time , it's like I can't go to shit . So turn around , know where ?
you're at turn around now . You get that . Hundred fifty two leave me .
I know I get that , but how much did I lose in that turn which I've baked into the cake when I picked the altitude I was flying at to begin with . So if I went at 3,500 feet , so I normally go to Peely at 33,000 . I normally go back at 3,500 and that extra 500 I've lost doing that turn . Gotcha , it's , it's not enough . And what do I do ?
It gets me to shore . I'm still landing in the water . I still got to figure out .
So if you get you to shore any land in the water , you're gonna take your little lifejack or life raft out . You're gonna open it to get that two feet to shore .
Well , if you're that , close to yeah , it just depends life raft , not a big , not a huge concern .
Life jackets . I think like jackets are a huge yeah .
I'm hoping that my wife can get hers on , get my kids on in that period of time . So if I'm after thousand feet and I descended about 800 feet per minute , power off at idle at best glide speed , what's that give me ?
so my suggestion to you then would be this practice , that drill with your family that they have to put that on .
Yeah , except you rip it and then you got to inspect it .
Well , True , but I mean I'm sure you could find one , that's you know .
I'm saying you can find I could find something that will be a placeholder There'd be a placeholder there's just to get through that .
so they get that muscle like fine , get that muscle memory like okay , this is what's gonna happen .
Hold your son . Have you forgotten how hard kids are ? Five and three .
He's like 30 . Yeah , exactly .
Can you imagine going through this drill like ?
yeah , but go listen my happy meal no women . Would you rather go through that drill now or when it's an emergency ?
get through the drill . I have to hope that my wife can just get it on like there's just no but okay , have her do the drill .
Absolutely okay , yeah , I'm just asking .
Yeah , yeah , she's gonna be in control . She's gonna manhandle them . It's not about fun , she's gonna be rough . She's gonna get the lifejacket on them . Get them safe and push them out , pull the thing . Well , actually , those ones automatically in place , that's fine .
Yeah , but get them out before it inflates so they don't have any rips or anything like that , or minimal rips . Hopefully . It sucks to think about . It sucks to think about .
No , I got a buddy just Bought a brand-new , overpriced boat . We're gonna go run it out to a Walker's K at some point this fall .
The .
Allen family is building it out in the Bahamas . We're gonna check it out , get some fuel and go fishing . I want to Inreach mini the in reach me to , just on my person , just because 36 foot Jupiter center console Crossing over the Bahamas . It's like it's a brand-new boat , triple engines . I'm sure everything will be fine .
It's like I Just feel way better with that clip to me .
I'm I'm hugely in fan of those even though it's overkill , that's not gonna help my situation , that situation , any type of remotely remote Operations , just peace of mind , yeah . And now can you text with that one yeah , yeah , see , I'd hand . But the boat .
Yeah , the boats loaded up with the garments and everything and the e-perbs and Everything you can imagine . But it's like what if I go overboard , it's like I'm not even wearing a lifejacket or anything , but I mean I can tread water , hit that thing if .
First , because people underestimate If you go overboard , offshore , people underestimate how difficult it is to actually find that person . Oh yeah if you're running , like , oh , we'll just stop and turn around and get the person .
It's like , maybe if you didn't hit that man overboard on the GPS , like immediately when it happened , if you didn't throw off a bunch of float floatation devices and cushions and anything that could float to try to make a trail in that area , it's extraordinarily difficult to actually track back and get somebody that fell off when you're running .
Yeah , sure it's you in waves , right . Yeah , exactly . Yeah , you have like topography . Yeah , you have to see this constantly Throwing off what you're searching for . Yeah , it's not a good point .
It's not just a guaranteed oh . We just Throw the , go to idle , turn around and you know , go pick the person up . It's like . Hopefully you can do that , but chances are you may not be able to .
Yeah , well , we flew to Alaska and Cherokee 180 from Lorraine we took . We took a bunch of survival stuff , but we also rented like a Jeep I don't know was like a satellite Communicator , something like that that you could rent per week or whatever . That would give you a location if something went wrong . So we had that . I think we had a .
What was that like ?
2015 in reach or spot of the two companies . Yeah , I think it was in the garment the in reach of the garment each yeah , and then there's iridium spot Maybe or maybe a spot it wanted .
Both those sound from them .
They're looking both up .
Yeah , so we rented that for like the two that for two weeks or whatever . So that was in 2016 yeah 2016 .
Okay , yeah , so All right , yeah , between 406 megahertz ELT's . And then , you know , having an additional and honestly , let's face it , a garment in reach or something like on the maybe non FAA certified side , might give you better returns than just the 406 megahertz ELT , might . You know , it's got to work all the time , but is it the most precise Thing ?
I don't know . Yeah , I'm a , I'm a big fan in that . That's not gonna help me a whole lot for , like the route that I'm doing , you know , I just have to hope for , you know , landing close to a boat and all that type of stuff .
But you can find windy days and if it's slop out , there's not many boats out there and like the sum I think about , that's the raft . The cold or the cold , or well , yeah , the world that we guys blowing out the boats aren't going out exactly , yeah , half of them aren't even in .
Yeah , yeah , so , or more so , yeah , and but I mean that's , that's a big expense . How do you put a price on ? But you do where you have no life jackets now . Yeah , I've been doing it for two years like this . You know doing . You know six to eight trips a summer . Kids can't really swim . They've done swim classes but can't they can't really swim .
Completely different lake completely different lake .
Yeah , with conditions and whatever , and , and that's why 3500 feet bring him , bring him out here so that's that's .
I mean that's the first thing you get going for . You get that Altitude . I mean , think about people that fly over less than that .
I know , I do think about that . I think about all the times , the countless times that I flew at 1500 feet agl and you're like borderline and like now it's like 3500 agl feels low , you know , when you got your family on board . I mean , it's just game changing .
People underestimate the great lakes . I remember Tyler's in the chat here . He's In studio here . I remember him mentioning like I didn't expect this is just . You don't see anything out the lake here . It's like as open as an ocean is it is .
Yeah , I mean , it functions like that too . Yeah , yeah , totally .
All right , we we answered all the chat things . I'm ready to ? I'm sure not , but I Happily cross over into control their space , with flight following , and not only for somewhere to land , but added comms . Cold water terrifies me . Yeah , cold water is not Very unforgiving .
We didn't we ? I mean like it was a long time ago . We kind of brought up a chart that showed like , by tempera scott pulled it up we're kind of arguing about hypothermia .
There's something about that . Yeah , we're talking about you . Yeah , how long ? Yeah , that's yeah .
And it's kind of surprising , even if you have seven degree water , there is still you . At some point you will still become hypothermic .
Oh yeah you know , it's fantastic You're trying to do that in south florida in the summertime . Yeah , yeah , I know but how long do I have to lay in here until I'm not sweating ?
Right , right , yeah , yeah .
All right , chat's kind of quietened down down to 20 viewers . I feel like this is a decent stopping point . Sure , sure . Thank you everybody for
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Yeah , thanks guys .
Thanks , Mr Jeff Denevich . Like you're a flight legend , Thanks for coming .
Thank you , hallie , for filling in , no problem .
Yep . Fourth chair that's what they call it in the business . Third chair there's fourth chair . You know it's a yeah If there's more questions .
Yeah , feel free to email me or whatever on Piley Ground . Yeah , we're , we'll just wrap this up or Jeff Chat's kind of quiet , yeah , whatever .
Yeah , all right Later . See you guys , now's the time I gotta try to figure out how to stop this .
Right there you got it .
There we go .
So I guess Stan corrected here I got . I forgot we had the Gumby . We had survival suits . Then we had the Mustang . So the Mustangs we were on the fire boat in summertime with life jackets , but in the wintertime we had a survival suit that we wore . That was completely different . It was like a step up from the Gumby suit .
So yeah , the .
Mustang suits . I do stand corrected the one suit . No , it was a suit , but it's a survival suit for cold water Mustangs makes a bunch of products , right , okay . We had a Mustang suit , we still had to wear a life jacket on yeah . Yeah , we had the other ones . I was thinking it's like wait a minute .
No , I forgot we had the yellow ones . There's probably nothing that we're talking about here . That is like the same thing . Yeah , the Mustang . I mean it's just a very slim line . You wear it full time and it inflates .
No , they do make those for around , for dock workers , people that work around docks that they don't want to wear the bulky .
That's what I'm talking about .
Yeah , no , you're right , you're absolutely right with that . But we also had Mustangs who said we wore that one oh sure . Cold weather Totally .
But so you can move around on the fire boat . Cold weather , yeah you getting a beer , oh oh okay .
She's like I'm not an alcoholic .
Yeah , oh yeah . We go a while when we do these . Nobody's in life yet , though , so we have nothing . What's everybody drinking ? I got white claw . We've got children in the background , we've got it all . We've got Mr Denovich here , and we have my sister Halle , for the forum first . Scott isn't here , and she was upstairs .
So , that's the qualifications to get on the show .
The new Scott .
Yes , which is not kind of doing . You can be on this show next time . I believe you said .
I believe you said I just drink and ask lead frustrating questions . I said basically yeah , that's Scott's job . You're hired .
You're hired . You've written on airplanes a lot . You've written on airplanes a lot . Yeah , qualified to be here .
Yep .
Perfectly qualified .
Had the mask come down one time .
Yeah , because of a pin we were discussing earlier , more than a lot of people have seen . Yeah , you've been through some shit , yeah .
It was pretty scary situations , yeah it can be traumatizing . It is Absolutely , but when you have a bar on board it's okay .
Yeah , it's only traumatizing if you haven't drank enough .
So the pilots ? I watched a video today because I've been watching a bunch of powered parachute videos . It was a debate . He made the argument that , like the FAA , might not be that upset if you're drunk flying as long as you're not a certificate of pilot and you are in an ultralight vehicle . Was the was the argument .
He wasn't recommending it , but he was saying that basically , 103 is the entire rules and technically there's nothing in there about drinking .
Yeah , but I think the state or the , I think the state could get you local .
Oh yeah , that's why they've turned it into an OVI .
Probably .
Operating a vehicle .
Yeah .
Lawnmowers , right Riding bikes , Don't people get . I mean , it's all that stuff .
Unicycle .
Yeah , yeah .
One wheel One . I feel like that should be an exception If you , if you're good enough to be on a unicycle , yeah , yeah .
All right . You are , you can own the town tonight , man .
Yeah , that's , that's what I feel like . If you can , if you can be on a unicycle , let them . Let them have their fun .
The one person in the room who can do it , yeah .
Bobby's dried to school .
Yeah , can you ?
Oh , I don't know I wouldn't surprise me if you could Can you , no , no .
I mean you have a sidecar in your motorcycle . You seem like the kind of guy that might have unicycle scales up your sleeve , that is true . Tyler Bronck Horse says Lee is alive . I don't know what here .
I am .
Yes , Um could be AI , what it could be AI . Maybe you're not here .
Yeah , I'm not , it's getting pretty advanced , the AI we are . We're teaming up . We're waiting for some more people to roll in here . We're doing an episode on like getting a student from zero to solo , which I've been somewhat contemplating down in Florida offering a flight instruction .
Um , so reach out if you have a plane and you want flight instruction in South Florida . I'm considering the possibility of maybe taking on a handful of students on the side .
I think a great , I think what would be really good is if the far aim paid for your sister go from zero to private pilot .
That would be a very with our with our profit margin at the moment , that'd be a very slow endeavor .
Just an idea . I'm in .
You could get like maybe 20 minutes a month , maybe with our margin , if somebody helped us gave us a deal on a plane like Scott .
Right , yeah , yeah .
That would be interesting , though you I was going to teach you at one point .
You were , you did one lesson , I think .
Yes , and I made you read a book and you got upset and you complained to Lee , I think .
Now she's disqualified . She's got at least an hour . I do ?
I logged one session in my logbook .
Did we actually ? Where is that logbook ? Did we actually go ?
for it . It's in my parents house .
You have it still . I don't think we got off the ground .
If we were in the airplane , we would have gotten off the ground . Yeah , we did then . Okay , I forgot about that then .
Wait , no , no , no , we didn't . We made it to the living room . You had a board , a dry erase board and you started doing stuff , and then you said let's move to the airport and I kind of said no .
Okay , that sounds that's ringing a bell now . Okay , see ya .
It's tough to teach the people closest to you .
If that's not a ringing endorsement for my potential CFI skills . If you're down in South Florida looking for lessons , I don't know what is .
I'm sure you're a great teacher but , you cannot teach sisters , family members .
You just can't do that my first lesson was like go in and introduce myself , meet Lee and Lee's like alright , let's go flying . There was no dry erase board , it was just in the plane and let's do it .
I think the weather was not conducive . We started in the winter . So I'm like well , if we want to get started , it's going to be ground , because you can't take off out of A&L to this time of year .
I think that's one of the hardest things is as an instructor , you recognize all of the groundwork that needs to be done , but from the student standpoint you're like I don't want to pay for that , I want to do the fun stuff and that's all I want to do .
Yeah , I mean she wasn't paying , though .
Well , I get that , but from a you want to go ?
in and construct .
That's one of the biggest things you need . Like it took me forever to learn it's still learning . Like it's a sales position , oh yeah .
You have to keep coming back .
It would have been way more interesting if we were in an airplane .
I'm sure .
But see the people closest to you , though it is such a I think about when I go to teach my kids , they are going to hate every second of it and I will probably turn them off to flying all together Because you want them to be better than I am better than anybody else , and that all starts with groundwork drawn on a dry raceboard .
Get the fundamentals , the concepts and all the physics and all of the 30 years that I'll have by then of flying I want to get in their head , which is not possible .
Yeah , just think of everything you had to do to learn all that .
I know , but I want them to do it .
You can't do that right now .
You can't do that , absolutely . Yeah , but think of the content that's out there now that you guys didn't have . We were starting out . You know you have the YouTube videos .
We're making the content .
I know we are now the content , but there was no content out there . There was like just the books to read , stuff like that . There , you know , maybe sporties , videos . But now the thing as an instructor you got to make sure you go through that stuff , make sure they're not getting bad advice from someone that's on there telling them how to do something .
Yeah , put the parental controls on Exactly . You know so they don't . Yeah .
But there is more content out there for them to do all that stuff . The dry erase boards are already on a video somewhere where someone was already doing it , you know .
Well , and I think that's I mean in general , I think that knowledge that's coming at them from all angles . If they have a question and it's after hours , they're not texting you anymore . Maybe they are if they still not getting it , but they can go to YouTube and find all the answers they want Exactly .
And then you just kind of have to maybe refine it and make it applicable to your airplane or your airspace or whatever it is . But I think by and large it's probably an advantage to us as instructors .
I think a lot of stuff . They come back and you're like I didn't even . You know there's some stuff there Like they're saying you're like , well , I never thought that way , so you're also getting , you're also becoming a student also by you know they're talking to you .
Yeah , right , yeah , it elevates everybody all of that knowledge that they can go find and then bring back to the group , the flight school , that individual instructor , I think , is all good .
Absolutely so . Andreas is in the chat . Hey , y'all been a while . Yeah , I like how we were on Rumble and he switched to . He took his old handle from Rumble or from Twitch , which is Twitch sucks . I brought it here . Good to see you . Aviation , mike . Hello .
Hey .
Mike , what's everybody drinking ? I got a white claw going Inspired I got a chorus . That's what my sister was drinking .
Some ranch water over here , probably the first ranch water on the show I think so I think so I think I just got playing Coke .
Coke . We call that a virgin captain in Coke and Carrie Genis . What's a Genis ? Genis yeah .
Colch I love Colch .
Really .
One of my favorite beers .
Oh man .
Absolutely Haven't had that . One Never heard of it . But Bitburger , Bitburger . I don't know what that is .
Oh , I've had that .
What is that ?
It's , I don't know .
What is that ?
Mike , I remember when I crashed this bar down in Florida and they had it and I just ordered it because Burger was in the name and it was good , great . Yeah , it's the bit . We should probably try to find it Pilsner-ish , yeah , I tell you Brunkhorse of Saints , kind of Pilsner-ish .
It's a German lager , okay . Yeah , so look we got Colch's Pilsner-ish German lager . We're all kind of in the same . It's all Germany , yeah , Germany type stuff .
And we got , we got white claws .
What are you drinking ? It's Andreas drinking .
I don't know we still got . No , we drank all of Andreas's room . I think we got some peerless in there still from Andreas in the in the fridge behind me . We'll get to it All right , I think we can kick it off .
The German Bud Light .
It's the German Bud Light . As long as it's not the American Bud Light , it's all the matters .
Okay , before we go down that rabbit hole , let's , you know , let's just kick off the episode . Oh , yes , okay .
Yes , andreas , yes , very good question .
Good thing , yeah , we're on rumble , so you can't really do anything to get kicked off a rumble , which is good . That's why we're on here . Try thinking how to kick this episode off . Three , two , one . We got to kick it off like that , obviously , like that .
We haven't , we haven't started this is kind of the . That's all my content . I have not been like this , did it already , all right .
Thanks for watching .