MLB: Leading Off June 10th, 2024 (EP. 833)

Welcome man, everybody to Fantasy pros MLB. This is Leading Off Live, brought to you by Bet three sixty five. Use that promo code leading Off bet five bucks, get one hundred and fifty and bonus bets when you do. It's me Joey p. That's the Welsh. We are rested and refreshed from a fun weekend, lots of good times. Welsh's kids were active in the arts. I was supporting the arts, also supporting youth sports. Are twelve you Raiders moved on with a goal line stand. Three straight stops

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What was the exciting time? I also see sixty comments in the chat before we even get going today. So welcome Peanuts and cracker Jacks. It's good to see all of you here in the chat. Welsh. Some good, the bad, and the ugly of the Major League Baseball this weekend. Juan Soto forearm, Let's start there, because when last we left you. Juan Soto's health was in peril, and it might still be in peril now he is. He is day to day with a forearm injury. Now he might

They?

I say yes, what's say you?

Yeah? I mean I think the most likely situation would be though, kind of like why not do it? But they can retroactively put him on during God I think it was Saturday's scheme. Garrett Cole was being interviewed. It was, yeah, that's right. It was the day before the Summerset game and Soto is in the dugout, good spirits, messing around, laughing, cheering. You can kind of take like that could be a

Not a lot of games so far and at bats for tamingas you know. So right now we's up to let's see four in a ball, ten at double A and five so far at Triple A.

Almost twenty ams.

I mean, I don't know if I mean that's that's barely spring training, right I mean, that's kind of in that range. So I mean, look, he is crushing ball triple A ist in five hundred right now. So certainly a guy that looks like he is, he's ready. So that's the good news if you're the Yankees, is if God forbid there is a problem, maybe you do bring up Tamingos. Maybe he does have a good week or two in him and Sodo gets healthy because you need

Actually wouldn't be surprised if these guys are on the exact same timeline, like right there. I mean, if sure there's only going four, you're gonna need at least one more. I think we've already speculated that we're going to get one more out of coal, and then he's going to come up. I think we'd call it the week of you know, whatever it is is seventeenth or because he's going to have that one more, which I think would line up till like Friday. But I think it's encouraging.

On yeah, do you want him to be starting games in October or do you want him starting games in July?

But if you really care about the innings, I'm not even sure it's gonna be about that. Like, is it gonna be like if you put him to the bullpen now, then you're taking away that. I don't think you're taking away the big innings.

I don't even think it's bullpen. I think he gets sent down. It becomes when he's three inning pitchers like the Max Myers of the world. That's what I think really happens. And that's gonna piss everybody right there.

It's gonna piss me off because I feel like I'm the only defender.

You're not wrong in your defense of it, but I think what it comes down to is the Yankees are looking long term the season and long term with heel, So what what are they doing? I mean, we're when he hits one hundred innings, he's gonna turn into a pumpkin here and I do think you're gonna see him become these three inning pitchers and then eventually they'll ramp him back up and hopefully by September you get him back up and around making last, you know, four starts

It's tough. It's tough because every human being has taken the He's the ultimate cell. My only problem is I think it's gone so far that I can't. I don't think that makes sense anymore, Like it makes more sense to buy him because every human being is like you go to sell them his The way he is performing what he is providing you is so elite of elite.

I know that's also un sustainable. I mean, he's not gonna picture a five four era, I mean a point five to four era like he did the last two weeks.

Like, that's not gonna well, but I'm not betting on that. But if you're betting on a low three high two ERA with one of the better strikeout ratios in baseball and more maintain walks. He's like a top twenty s P. So it's like, I wish to take that off the market.

I wish it didn't come to this. It's just it's the business of baseball, Welsh, and I just think it has us all trying to be more realistic. And you are right, but the unwritten rules of baseball tell us now that he's going to the minor leagues and he is going to be a three.

I don't believe he's going to the minor leagues, and I really truly I see.

I think the problem is you want to keep this guy on routine. You want to keep him healthy, you want to keep him normal. Move him to the bullpen having been pitched sporadically, I think is a disaster.

You're not wrong about that, you know what, You're not that the scenario makes sense. I'm just I'm gonna live in this bubble that they are going to continue to let he'll pitch through July and then they're gonna come to terms of that whatever that is in August, whether that is we can't have him as a starter because we're so worried about these innings and now he's bullpen

But a month now because I Winter was coming. But it's a great conversation. Let's let's move on to the other stuff. Here's Barry. I'm a feeling that people in my leagues have been listening to your show because every week when waivers run, they're picking up all the guys you talk about, so we've got to throw them off

You'll actually have the ability to be a day ahead, or at least, I don't know, hours ahead, before hours at least.

Yes, that's a good watch live, very good point. If you're watching live, there's your incentive. We'll give you the names live and then you're ahead of the game. But yes, starting this week, so so the standalone videos, you're gonna get segments in the show, just like we do prospecting with the Welsh, and you're gonna see them on the YouTube channel probably like well said a couple hours later or what have you. Let's get to some more news and notes here. We also had let's see thet is

I mean I actually thought that was the plan, Like when Abraia went down. Luperfto is playing in the outfield. Great, let's keep him, let's keep going here. But it just isn't you know, it doesn't. Jack Myers has been playing well. I guess they have. They feel they have like a glut. Yeah. I think at some point they got to make that commitment that this is not working with a Brew and then Lupafieda Lupa Veto should be up I think rest

But they sent him down because of money. They sent him down because it's like, look, we try to give this veteran the benefit of doubt. Let's give him a break, let's give him a shut down, Let's give him a restart. See if we can get him going. And can you try? You tried everything. Speaking of the astros, Jay Gris wants to know what do you think about Hunter Brown rest

Yeah, I'm with the turnaround. I think we've talked about this a week or so ago. Lance Prasdowski had talked about how it looked like Hunter Brown had added in a cutter at some portion of this year, and you're seeing the percentage up. I'm sorry, cutter, a sinker. He didn't even throw it last year, the sinker, and it's now up to around eight percent so far in the season. It's created a really low batting average. It's creating him

Continuing on here, no Astros news anymore. We're done with that. George Kirby seven innings of one run ball against the Royals on the flip side of that same game called Reagan's six innings, struck out nine, no decision for him and Jose Ramirez. His MVP odds have moved since a Soto injury, so they were plus twenty four hundred now they're plus eighteen hundred over the weekend. I still say Jose Arameras is very much in this thing. Three for five with a run score two for him. Let's get

This is ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together for us to a sage me.

When you name my love show ta Imanaga. Also getting back to the winning ways. He was five and zero through his first six starts. I think, gone five straight starts without a w that streak ends. Is he already still under two and the Cubs are ten and two when he pitches? How about them? Apples welshmm hmmm.

He's been great. And you know for all of my monelide, my little ten what is it the cap ten caps tenfoil tenfoil hat Mine with Showta is really just a bit about him coming back down to earth a little bit, and that's all that's happening. Like mine was never like hey, he's gonna not be good because he throws the two pitches. It's just like, no, he's gonna find some stabilization. And I think we're starting to get that. The league is

Here's another question here from the Pizan track Cracker Jacks. Better pick up Boss or Robbie Ray in a twelve team head to head? Isay Robbie Ray?

I say Boss?

I said why Boss for you?

Because I don't think Robbie Ray. I mean Robbie.

Ray is what I read this morning. That's the target date midjely.

Well, I think I think Boz is going to be up like any day. He's already been in triple A. I guess I'm worried about the full usage of Robbie Ray, Like he pitched one inning a couple of days ago and I didn't see what this.

Weekend he pitched. Well, well stick stay tuned everybody for more Robbie on the show Rookie Lookie houstin Waldroup was called up seven runs, fourhads, three and two thirds. And also the nats. I know people were trying to spin this like it wasn't that bad. I don't know, Welsh I watched it.

Well, no, it definitely fell apart, But I think, what the spin, and I'm with the spin a little bit as I'm trying to pull this up. The spin is because he didn't give up a hit through the first part of the order. He completely dominated through that first set, and then it did fall apart. He gave up a bunch of week contact though, I think that was thing to be really positive about, but the pitch mix kind of failed to him. He got into that walking way.

He could and I think this is where we lose, not we, but but Baseball lose Royal the Royal WI. Yeah, you know, he walked four guys, you had one strikeout. The results matter, Yes, certain certain metrics do also be a.

Well his his uh, you know, the spin rate was quite high, and I believe that there's something other things right, Yeah, Okay, well that's fine, and maybe all that we can look into bigger sample sizes and look the sample size of Triple A.

And it was very good, like he's been very good this year. But at the end of the day, it was a failure. It was a failure, and it just it was just funny to watch the Twitter verse kind of try to spin this. And I know you're excited about it, Twitter Verse, and I know the prospect nerds love this stuff. But it wasn't good. Wasn't a good start. Drew Thorpe, He's gonna get a shot from Double A. Drewthorpe was a guy who had a good spring. I tried to pick him up my league this week. I'm

You know you got me thinking off of that last one. If one bad outing from Hurst and Waldrop is gonna make you say that he's garbage, then you shouldn't be aggressive garbage, I said, slamming anybody's failure.

I'm not see that again. I didn't say you, I said the Royal Wing and you still got hurt.

No. No, But what I'm telling you is is but you. But you are taking you like oh Twitter, everyone's trying to spin it.

Oh results, the trip it like it wasn't that bad. Well, it was that bad. It was the freaking Nationals. It wasn't like the Dodgers beat him around the ballpark.

Okay, well this is a White Sox team. So if you can't handle Worston Waldrip in his first start, you're not gonna be able to handle Drew Thorpe as a White Sox or any pitching prospect for that matter that's left out there. But I do believe that Drew Thorpe is gonna maintain kind of like Waldrop, low hard hit contact, great change up, really difficult differential between his fastball and change up. I think he's gonna give a hitters fit, but he might get hit up some. He's not gonna

You know?

Yeah, if it's the Braves, No, definitely not.

I got to look at see the White Sox are playing. Yeah, some of the White Sox are playing the Seattle Mariners.

Okay, I mean they can't hit, they have no offense. There's a bunch of strikeouts. So yeah, I actually I do kind of like that start, but beware, he might give up three or four earned runs like rookie pitchers do.

And he's jumping from double A. He's ever from double A. Look, I think with Thorpe you have tempered expectations because he's a White Sox. And again, I'm not saying that Waldrop is a failure. I'm saying his start was a failure. And everybody I kept looking at the internets, kept trying to tell me that it's not true, and I'm like, no, it's pretty much true. Whyat Lang for two for four with a triple he smell that Welsh smells like rookie of the year is starting.

To turn just oh, because he had a triple.

He he had one triple and ladies, I was gonna get a ticket, one way ticket to UH to Scranton. Right, is that where the Yankees are?

I don't know. Just said in the summerset, why not just caught? They should just release Louise Heel. He's worthless now, they should cut they should send him to the Mexican Independent leads.

And I was like, Scranton Wilkes, He's gonna go work in the office, Louise Heal the paper company.

I've never I've that's actually, I've never wanted someone to buck the trend and become Rookie Year more than Louis Hell.

Now it's a little office on the kazoo.

You know, they're doing a remake, or they're not like a remake, they're doing a new it's like an in universe new Office show.

It's called a spinoff.

Yeah, yeah, there you go, spin off. But it's like.

Office isn't original. The American Office is a spin off of these.

And that is that in the same universe as the Bish Office.

Now it's a remake. It's an Americanized version of the BBC Office with Rookie Gervais, which is very darkly funny and very different than the American Office. And I think if you saw that one first and loved it, he had a hard time getting into the American one because that's.

There's some new one that looks it looks the casting. Maybe maybe it's just you know, because we don't know them anything. Yeah, they're doing like a new thing Cranton.

Heel's gonna be in scread I just want to point this out because I did some homework on this over the weekend, because for the TV show is that Gunner Henderson last year hit a buck eighty two, then he hit two twelve or whatever it was. He did nothing in April night nothing. Then he proceeded to hit five to six home runs and every other month drive in

That's the greatest bobblehead I've ever seen.

You know how I got this? I had a bet with ERL Cohen that Jose Altuve wouldn't hit more than twenty home runs the following season after he hit twenty four or whatever it was. And I said, you're wrong. He has more power than you realize as a strong little man. You don't respect the little guy. And uh, we made a wager, and this is what I won. I won this. This was the way.

So that's the best looking seen.

The Game of Thrones Altuve because he's so little on the big throne.

Yeah, that's life size.

That was mean. Threeks Google fan ten guys. That was also mean. That six to two thirds there against the Brew Crew, three down. Patrick Sandoval not so great against the Stros five runs, eight hits, five and two thirds. Verlander again no decision, four runs, seven hits and five and Ryan McMahon over four. He is now seven for fifty seven, but Verlander's the one I want to talk about. Welsh is old man. I'm finally come for Justin Ferlander because it's starting to feel.

Like it, I mean from the version that he was. Yeah, he's not that like lit last Yeah, I mean, well, yeah, well it's kind of similar to last year's ish version. But looking here, he's on a five year decline on his K percentage. He's almost on a five year increase on his walk It's the second highest walk rate of his career for three year increase on his actual era and expected era. And guess what another three year increase on barrel So allah, he's giving up a bunch of barrels.

I don't think of the Angels have been better than people realize the times and even me, I'll take the heat on that one, but don't against the Angels, like, come on, man, like we're.

Chris Sale got blasted by the A's Like things happen, but I guess do.

Happen, But I think it's happening more often. And Chris Sale is still giving you like eight strikeouts.

In some of those games if he gets well they used to Chris Sale and him are not even in the same territory. But to your point, his two starts this month, he's given it four earned runs and only gone five. Like he doesn't. Here's a big thing. It doesn't really look like he's able to maintain consistency across multiple starts. He has like two. It looks like it's a two start run. He can go where he can go six or seven, and then he kind of blows

So injury news negative X rays on the wrist of Alex Bregman. That's good because Bregman's been very hot the last two weeks, very hot. I just want to say, we promised Robbie ray News, We're gonna give you Robbi rainings, five strikeouts and two innings in the rehab appearance at the Arizona Complex on Saturday.

So again, but that's my issue right there. It's the it's the innings one and then two, maybe three.

I think the All Star break. That's when what I read today was All Star Break like that there either before or right after, and that's good. I just look, I just like Robbi Ray is a pitcher, you know, that's that's you know, Jay Boz has a lot of talent. But Robbie Rays want to cy young.

I mean, well he's I think maybe better. It's a better team context to Robbie is a weird dude by the if you ever been him, he walks around and just grunts like people talk to him, and he just he doesn't say words to be I swear to god, I'm not even when he pitches or just just any day. If he's ever like.

Choosers like that too. He's like you, if he's on a day where he's pitching, you don't want to go near it. He's like a real guy.

But that's like on the Mariner's backfield when Ray was a Mariner, he would just he would just walk on the backfields and he just he just doesn't say words. He's such an interesting individual, but he also was not good before he got hurt, and Bob's is really good. So maybe Robbie.

Did you say Robbie Ray wasn't good before he got hurt?

No? No, he had inconsistencies, didn't he? Am I making that up?

I remember winning a cy Young Welsh?

Hey did he win a cy Young right as he got hurt? Not one or four years ago?

He won the cy Young in uh twenty twenty.

One, eight e R in twenty twenty three.

Hold on, it was one start. He had an ad R in his three innings.

Okay, well, you had a three seven to one ERA in twenty twenty, but he struck out.

Two hundred and twelve guys and you know a one point one nine whip a three seven e R in the American League West. Okay, fine, like whatever.

It was fine two years ago. He was fine twenty thirteen and exploded, You're a down try or.

Mad still because I said, Louis, he's going to the bullpen, and you know it's still everybody I'm Since I've said that, I feel like I've ruined his whole Monday. I feel like he's got somebody's got a case of the Monday.

Hate da anybody ever tell you got a case of mondays?

No?

Hell no, you're directing.

I feel better. Jack Flaherty's not going to start tomorrow against the Nats because of the bags. We said he was and now he's not there. You go, Ty Franz goes to the IL. Ten days, we have Yoshida working his way back for the Red Sox one for four triple A. Yesterday, Robert Gasser is gonna get a third opinion because the two weren't enough. So here's the thing. So the second opinion said that he has a durability

No, well, yeah, bye bye Gasser one one doctor, shame on you, two doctors, shame on.

I just shame on everyone. I got out three.

I'd like to get a found How many opinions do you need?

I don't know.

I go to the internet. You'll get all your opinions in one shot, which you have. We're done, Robert Gasser is not anything that we need to worry about for this year, by the way you blasted through it. Just want to mention Tyler Locklear got the call up. Who's someone that I had written up in the Prospect article for Type France and uh, deep deep deep. He's very interesting. I don't think he'll stick around. But what are you laughing?

Give?

He said?

Robbie Ray was tragedy and Adra had once start.

Well, he was, he was medioc he was fine the year before it almost he was.

When you have when you have a strikeout rate above ten per nine, like that's a that's better than okay, and a whip at one point nine that's better than okay.

Three of his last five starts in twenty twenty two he had four and five earned runs in each of those. Like I don't know. Maybe that's what's important in my brain was about.

Him, but like, I don't know. And Robbie Ray pitching, you know for the San Francisco Giants in that ballpark is no.

I think that's that's relatively nice.

I mean, that's not a very good ballpark for hitting baseballs either way.

Post All Star Break, A four era in twenty twenty two with the Mariners in a one to three five win, saying, I guess if I said he was garbage garbage, he just wasn't great.

You were very harsh. Bobby Miller two runs, one earned in the shoulder rehab started before innings on Friday. Triple A code I Senga Code I Senga will not return next month before the All Star Break. I you want to say out loud, I told you so everyone. I you know, I am one Welsh, isn't But I am one to say I told you hell, there's something about you put the blue and orange on and things just did not go well in life. It's just it's one

Well, we're going to be playing some first fives and we are going to be playing some run totals. So I'm going to the Colorado Minnesota game. You've got Hudson and you've got Paddock. Paddock spin. Pattick can get into these good He's just like one bad inning. So between the two, I'm gonna play the first five over four and a half runs. I actually think the total game line even looks a little bit low for what we've usually been seeing. But Colorado Minnesota first five, four and

And download the Betting Pros app. Everybody, start betting smarter, not harder. Find the best lines of the best spots. Think your sports books for free. Those, my friends, are the best bets of the day. I make your bets over at bet three six five Welsh. We are getting to a point here where I am hanging on. Literally, it's like I feel like John McClain in die Hard. I might just hanging on by the skin of my teeth. Here. Look at me. Oh what did this called?

Oh you're there. I mean I'm not even in the picture.

You're at fourteen. I didn't know you were still in the competition. I didn't know.

Oh I'm at fourteen. That's actually kind of encouraging. I'm at fourteen.

You're still in the neighborhood.

I got a gunner one this weekend.

You gotta go, you to get a gunner bomb. There you go. I'm gonna stick with my Fernando Tatis Junior. I need I've been ice cold for a long time now, So Tatis, I'm looking at you buddy, you're red hot. Don't let me down. Okay, Welsh, where are you going for your home run call today?

All right, shoe leave the show. Well skidding on the board. I'm gonna go with Vladimir Guerrero Junior, Vladdie Junior. He was kind of my big talk of what it was like two weeks ago on the trades of saying, hey, everything is great, the homers just haven't been there. All he's got to do. Get the ball in the air. What started to happen? Ball in air? This would be a good one. Better on the road, better slugging percentage

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I love the thought of like you with the lady and the kids in the car and making them listen to Mayor doing the cycle.

No, not happening, Not happening at all. Yeah, hey, guys, you want to go listen to my friend Mike's podcast about baseball? Please? No, not happy, not go, but.

I am.

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