Mobile QBs: How much do they really help?

the show. I think we had a couple of fishes. I think we had a mad in there. Yeah, so breaking down like actual football games, I believe. Yeah, pulling for the Jaguars to win team close to Super Bowl. Ball back that last show you mean, yeah, yeah, the show I was a while ago that it was like a long time ago. It was. You're also a long time ago Chop podcast. Yea for the Guilloteam League, So we should we should fire up one of those maybe next week, talk about some of the things that are

are lessons learned. Um, it will be a drafting season pretty soon. I mean it already is, really, but for Guilloteen leagues, specifically. Yes, Yeah, for some people, they're already getting their best ball teams going for next year. Oh you're talking to one. Yeah, I know, I know. I mean I love that about you. That's fantastic. It is fascinating just to watch the ebbs and flows of ADPs. Yeah, I mean, it's got to be radically changing now. Oh yeah,

I've seen it already. Some players. I mean, I could talk for over an hour right now to just give me one name. Where is Bejean Robinson's going to be the first player taking a rookie and Dynasty drafts. No, he's he's going. Where is he going in you know, redraft? Anywhere from tenth to like so late first to mid second, not getting past or pick fifteen sixteen. That's about as late as your seat him go. And obviously we don't even know where he's playing as it right now, but

he's he's RB four basically. I don't know that I was on any shows with you in which we've talked about this, but I've talked about it a couple of times throughout January and into February. I think there's a decent chance he ends up in Cincinnati or Kansas City and becomes just a dynaball, just a block buzz because I think seams are so hesitant to draft or running back,

understandably so for reasons. Everybody that's listening to this understands in the first round that he could easily fall to the bottom of the first round and then one of these elite off he just walks into an elite offense at the bottom of the first round. An intriguing option I've heard and it makes sense is the Giants they just reboot s Quon Barkley. Basically, Barkley, pay Barkley. They're probably not gonna pay Barkley now what he wants, which sadly is him a lot when it comes to running.

Bit but you're you're a little kid growing about there, great football player. Don't play running back, be a punter, play cornerback like any the other skilled position than running back if you want to get paid, because you gotta work hard for that money. Man, it's the second contract. Here's the and you understand the team's position. How many running backs get a second contract and the team's glad

they did it, and you know, almost never. It just goes to show how bad that pick was for the Giants. Back then there were no position to spend the fourth overall pick well on a running back. Now, he was like the last thing. That's like the last piece you go for, right almost in fantasy football and reality football is you go big at running back once you got everything else in place, all right, But in fairness, Barkley won Rookie of the Year, and he was his rookie year.

He was awesome, he was so good, and then just the injuries derailed him. And now you know, you just you feel like you can't the Giants can't give him a second running back. But yeah, but I mean now when there they've sort of have a team in place, they can't afford to pay him essentially, so but again, bijon, Yeah,

the hype is real already. But yeah, if he lands on one of those soft places, like you said, soft as in good like yeah, Kansas City piece Miami, am well, Miami lost their first round pick, so not Otherwise that would have been an ideal spot for him. We've been twenty three, could be a Minnesota Viking perhaps, and maybe that'd be a pretty good landing spot for him too, really, but yeah, it's ever since Barkley he's the flashiest rookie

we've seen going into since Barkley. I totally agree. We're going to talk about rushing in this podcast, but we're talking about quarterback rushing. Yeah, as has become apparent for those that are a little slower on the pick up here, rushing quarterbacks are a freaking cheat code. When you can get a quarterback who can run and pass, it unlocks some crazy upside and an extremely safe floor in any

given week. Because if you've got a quarterback who can run and pass, odds are one or the other is going to come through for you in any given game, if not both. So what I've wanted, what I wanted to do today, Ryan is drilled down on the necessity to draft a rushing quarterback, a mobile quarterback. Is it imperative? Do you need to, as we like to say on this show, reach around to take a mobile quarterback and make sure you get your guy. And we've ground up

a bunch of data and they aren't. They are in demand right now. We were talking ADP and we'll get there again, but yeah, they want to talk to you about that. I think we'll get pickamp on this. Finally, very bullish on the mobile quarter quarterbacks, Yes, I bet they are so. And we'll talk about this from the standpoint of one quarterback, two quarterback in super Flex, especially at the end. I want to talk to you. I want to cover those different formats. Although it becomes pretty

apparent like two quarterback, everybody's running to get a quarterback. Anyway, one quarterback you have a lot more options. But we'll talk about that in a second. First, I want to break down who is what we're going to call it, a very mobile quarterback, who is an occasionally mobile quarterback, and then who's an immobile quarterback. So let's start here the very mobile quarterbacks. These are guys who average over

forty rushing yards per game. Okay, and the data set for this has been I used the last two years for all of my data, and I always love equating forty rushing yards. When it comes from a quarterback, it's an extra passing touch it is right, it's a it's a free passing touchdown in every in every every game. Justin Fields last year was over forty Josh Allen both of the last two years, Daniel Jones last year in

a competent offense, and Jalen Hurts both years. Those are your fields, Alan Jones hurts, those are your very mobile quarterbacks. And I think it's safe to say Lamar Jackson would have been on that list if healthy. Yeah, he kind of up the last few years, so we should lump him into that category, I would think, and Trey Lance people were envisioning him. Right, we'll hold off. So I'm

glad you brought this up. So let me say that all the data you're going to hear, I took out anybody who didn't start at least eight games in a season because Brian I just I was trying to weed out backups, bad starters, because I didn't want them polluting the data. I didn't want to pollute the data with a bunch of guys who were like two start quarterbacks, three start quarterbacks, four start quarterbacks. And really the only guy who kind of got who got sort of nuked

out of all of this was Lamar Jackson. But still I think that, you know, there's so many other quarterbacks you were to talk about. I don't think this really disrupts the data a lot. Now, you're occasionally mobile quarterbacks are quarterbacks who run for on average twenty to forty

rushing yards per game. They are Kyler Murray Justin Fields last year, Marcus Mariota this year, Daniel Jones last year, and Patrick Mahomes both of the last two years, and then Geno Smith last year quietly chipping in over twenty rushing yards per game. And then everybody else is categorized as an am mobile quarterback less than twenty rushing yards per game, and we'll talk about how many points you got for these guys. Want one guy and he wouldn't

meet your criteria because he didn't play enough games. But going into this season, I think DeShawn Watson falls into that. Yeah, I didn't realize he would have. He would have if you extrapolated his six games from the last year whatever, he would have finished with over five hundred rushing yards, which would have put him six among quarterbacks and rushing yards behind Daniel Jones on a per game basis. I'm guessing this sort of thrown him into the occasional mobile,

but he didn't have to my eyes. Do you remember great runs from Deshaun Watson this year? Now, he never quite even in his career, like he doesn't have the like you remember, Like going back to Michael Vick, like that over time run against the Vikings where they like oh God, and Lamar Jackson like you, Yeah, Watson, he's never he's not that type of runner, but he's he's so must mobile. Yeah, well for sure you can make things happen if he needs to. All right, so let's

start here, just the core essence. How many fantasy points per game? Did very mobile quarterbacks have? Occasionally mobile quarterbacks and immobile quarterbacks, So let's just start right there. Immobile quarterbacks averaged And obviously every scoring system is a little bit different here, so you just use these as comparisons and you can you can apply your own scoring system to this. Immobile quarterbacks average fifteen fantasy points per game.

Occasionally mobile quarterbacks again, these are people in the twenty to forty yard range. That number jumped up to eighteen fantasy points per game with Patrick Mahomes. If you take Patrick Mahomes out of that, it drops, it go only goes to sixteen. The very mobile quarterbacks Brian jump up to twenty one fantasy point points per game. That is almost a fifty percent boost over the immobile quarterback. Regardless of how many actual points your scoring system has and

the nuances of yours. The difference between a mobile and very mobile quarterbacks is almost fifty percent. That's pretty serious change. Yeah, it's to me. That's where you start really changing your priorities. I'm trying to find a rushing quarterback when you're drafting, Um, I want to hit you with this. Do rushing quarterbacks miss more games? Do these mobile quarterbacks get hit more

often and miss more games? Off the top of your head, most people would say yes, because they're running around in the tackles. Yeah, but is that the case? Before I looked at the data on the injuries and missed games for mobile quarterbacks, I was of the belief that the most dangerous place for a quarterback was in the pocket, that you get the blindside hit. You know your stationary and here comes some three hundred pound guy running full

steam into your back. That kind of stuff. Sunday did grind up the data, and as a reminder, here I'm comparing starting quarterbacks, but starting quarterbacks or removed the quarterbacks we played less than eight games in a season, and I did remove a couple of that that pulled out a couple of legit guys. You mentioned m Lamar Jackson, but also like Matthew Stafford last year, Sam Howell, Malik Wills, I didn' Jeff Risk called Cooper Rush. I didn't want

them concluding the data here. So here's where it comes in. Immobile quarterbacks averaged fourteen starts per season. Occasionally, mobile quarterbacks averaged fourteen starts per season. So now if we go to that group of very mobile quarterbacks fields Alan Jones hurts, they averaged more games fifteen per season over the last two years, at least for the at least for the this data set of the last two years, these mobile quarterbacks are loop missing any more games then the mobile

quarterbacks and playing more games. It was either his most recent ankle injury or knee injury, or he hurt his ankle one of the two times, if not both of the last two times. Lamar Jackson's been hurt and missed significant time several weeks. He's been hurting the pocket and people will musically jumped like running quarterback. He's like, yeah, well, too bad. He was standing in the pocket when he hurt his ankle this time. It's not always when they're

on the run. Great point, Josh Allen. When he got hurt it was his elbow I don't remember the play. Oh he was in the pocket armed top back and he's following through and then yeah, yeah, progress got impeded throwing the ball anybody, ye, yep, and you know, and that really it took the wheels off of Josh Allen for about three or four games that elbow injury. They didn't run him very much and that you know, that subdued his numbers a little bit last year. But still

Allan obviously an elite mobile quarterback. Want to I want to take a quick break when we come back, Brian, I want to talk about at what point in the draft do you need to take a mobile quarterback? Where are they going in ADP? And are you paying that ADP? You paying more for that for that quarterback? Are you gonna You're gonna let somebody else take that mobile quarterback? Stay tuned Fantasy Football Weekly. Welcome back Fantasy Football Weekly.

We are talking about mobile rushing quarterbacks. Do you need to prioritize getting a rushing quarterback? Michael Vick really changed the landscape modern day with some gigantic games that started to give people a hint of what a dual threat quarterback could be. But that was like twenty twelve years ago, twenty years ago when he was drafted. Yeah, back, you have to go all the way back to when he

was drafted, for sure, and Dante Culpepper that little bit. Yeah, No one ran like vic Lamar Jackson is the only comparable guy in the last twenty thirty years. Ailin Hurts and Jon Fields are into that. I'd take that back. Yeah, um, but I think we were all very slow to realize that those guys were breaking scoring systems wide open, and you know it, and it's only becoming more obvious now. I'm gonna look this up now. I think he topped

twenty passing touchdowns one time in his career. Yeah, that was I think was that Eagles season two, And it was like later on in his career. You may be right about that. And I remember mostly getting this wrong because he had spent like three years in jail, and his first year back, I'm like, can you really spend three years in jail and just walk down too a football field and be great? I turned out he was pretty good, and uh so he was drafted to No. One. Um, yeah,

twenty two years ago. But yeah, twenty touchdowns and oh six was his career high and then he went to prison and then oh nine he came back and in uh twenty ten is when he had twenty one passing touchdowns. So he said twenty or more passing touchdowns twice. Yeah, in his career passing to me, I like five in one game that Eagle that Monday night. Yeah, that was like was it against Washington? Yeah, I was in Washington.

I remember I lived out there at the time. I almost went to that game, but I was like, I hate both of these teams, but I wish I had seen that in person. That had been cool. But anyway, now that box score remains one of the highest scoring single performances in fantasy football history. And he did a

lot of it in the first half too. I remember I think like fourth maybe in the first quarter, he had like two bombs into de Shawn Jackson, then like a rushing touchdown, and like the first quarter, you know, like wouldn't surprise me. That was I want to say. He had over one hundred rushing yards, two rushing touchdowns, and like three passing touchdowns in that game. Hold on, I think I can pull if you can find that,

that'd be fun to take. That'd be fun to hear about that game again for the young guns out there, they don't remember that. We'll remember that game from what year? Do we think that? It was twenty ten? Sadly, but that was a long time ago, twenty ten. I remember commiserating with Matthew Barry during that game because he's a big Washington fan. Yeah. And Monday Night Football November fifteenth,

the Eagles beat Washington fifty nine twenty eight. Let's see Michael vic head three thirty three and four passing and then eighty yards rushing in two rushing touchdowns and touchdown performance. They took their foot off the gas mid third quarter in that game too. Well, I'm sure they put a fifty nine point so they must have at some point. Who was the backup quarterback that came in after Michael Ing, Oh, good old Kevin Cobb. Kevin, you know what, he only

took it. H He didn't have a pass attempt Vic most of the game, okay, cobbed one rush attempt negative, so he kneeled the ball field. That would say okay with the days anyway, So we've established that these very mobile quarterbacks are worth almost a fifty percent boost and fantasy points over the immobile quarterback. So let's talk ADP. What kind of ADP are we looking at for guys like Fields and Josh Allen and Daniel Jones and Jalen Hurts.

Well in super flex and two quarterback, nothing really changes quarterbacks going high demand. You'll see the top ten go in the first two rounds. Really, and if there's any there's barely any room for them to move up in two quarterback formats, right if any little wiggle room there is is gone. But you're gonna see in any order, it's gonna be Fields, sorry, not Fields, but Hurts, Alan Mahomes go in that order, and then even Burrow he's

not as he's not falling into this category. But yeah, quarterbacks premium in super flex two quarterback, no shocker there. But in one quarterback I've seen a huge shift from last year where Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, and Patrick Mahomes somewhat mobile. He's really mobile in the sense that he gives you those e white mobile numbers. Yeah, yeah, he really scrambles what he needs to, but he can throw an eighty yard bomb behind his back that counts as

like an eighty yard rushing touch. Now, to right. But those guys are going early first. They're not going anywhere past the mid second, which is easily a round and a half earlier than last year. Justin fields right now, his current best ball ADP an underdog is thirty six, which is the end of round three. That's where you seek.

That's where you'd see quarterback one going last year. If that early, really they're really going like mid third, early fourth, you would see people going it was really more like Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen last year. But in best ball, isn't it even more important to get the crazy upside that these rushing quarterbacks can give you the standard? So I'm surprised that I'm surprised they're even going that long.

To me to buy on justin fields end of the third round, Oh yeah, definitely, and uh yeah fields, and then Lamar Jackson is going after fields. I mean Lamar Jackson, he has a repeat of his twenty nineteen season. Well, how many? How many years are we going to say that? Though? I know, I mean now we've been saying that for three years waiting for him to happen. I'll get a little bit more excited about l Jackson if they say they land DeAndre Hopkins somehow, or they it'd be better

if he goes somewhere else, potentially Lamar Jackson. Yeah, it actually sounds like he probably will. I don't know what he's not in the Giants conversation, or you got to afford him, and you've got to decide the Ravens, who know everything there is to know about Lamar Jackson, if they decide to pass on paying him, what does that say to the rest of the league. Does the rest of the league go, well, you know, if they're not going to pay him, why are we going to step up?

Or is it just there's so many teams that are desperate at quarterback that somebody will for sure what it is. Kyler is Kyler Marie and DeShawn Watson deals have just blown up quarterback market. That makes Daniel Jones almost borderline worth forty five million dollars. It's not happy, it's a little too much, but sadly he's like a thirty five million dollars guy. Based on what Daniel Watson and Daniel Jones touchdowns passing touchdowns the last three years fifteen, ten

and eleven. He's like and he's forty million dollars quarterback. He's like Michael Vicks. Well he's not even not even not it's yet's absurd, but that it might be that way, Well, we'll see what it really has happened. When Jalen Hurts, I think he's in the last year of his contract. This year's who had the money he's gonna get he commands, It's gonna get a lot. But the long story short in one quarterback leagues, I want to say, the jig is up, the cat is out of the bag, whatever.

The price is way up on the Jalen Hurts and the Josh Allens of the world, just because they are. Those two guys put up and justin fields even they put up top twelve running back numbers and that doesn't even factor in their passing. So yeah, all right there, and there's still room for these guys to go up. Like you said, you're kind of shocked that Hurts and

Alan were going. I could I wouldn't be shocked. We get deeper into the summer spring summer, we see them going in the mid first and maybe even first overall. So all right, we'll let's all right, well, let we discussed in detail. Justin Fields, talk to me about Josh Allen. Let's go to him next. Where is Josh Allen going right now? Right now? He's quarterback one ADP of sixteen point six, so he is, you know, first the third of the second round. He's an early second round pick

right now, early second round pick. And Mahomes and Hurts are right behind him. It's like whoever you prefer there and and we can talk best ball centric. It kind of almost depends if you compare a Digs or a Kelsey or a AJ Brown who you take in the first round in whatever course. But those three guys, they're going ahead of RB five six right now. Yeah, And that was never the case. It used to be, no,

not in one quarterback. I think finally people have gotten around to being a lot more open to not spending those early picks on running backs, which is taken twenty years. But it's great to see. I think it's great to see those guys going where they are, and I think you can make case for them to all go higher than they are. The key with these rushing quarterbacks Fields, Alan Jones, Daniel Jones, who I'm putting into this conversation at least for a minute, and Jalen hurts. It's the

designed runs. It's not that they can scramble, it's that they have offenses that give them eight nine, ten, twelve rushing attempts in a game. Totally changes the landscape. You know, there used to be times when you could go with you could go with a just a scrambling quarterback who would periodically, you know, get out of the pocket and run fifteen yards down field. And but these guys are getting designed runs that are breaking defenses and giving you

opportunities for big gains and rushing touchdowns. And that's just a it's a key differential. And the butter fly effect on the Allen's Mahomes hurtzes. And then even justin fields going in the third round is creating a panic almost in the draft in draft rooms at the quarterback position. There are now fourteen quarterbacks going inside the top one

hundred picks. And that's that's you know, yeah, that's factoring in Justin Herbert, who's not a mob like think about last year we were saying wait until after round ten to even think about taking your first quarterback, and now there are fourteen quarterbacks going inside the top one because people are reaching on the early on these elite quarterbacks, and people are panicking to uh yeah, it's it's times have changed, just like that, the quarterback position. It's crazy.

I think you're right, Um, if you do take the mobile quarterback early, do you feel like that changes in your mind in any way when you take that quarterbacks back, when you take it back up your second quarterback. You know, if I go quarterback in the second round, I go get Josh Allen early, second round? Is it? What's your thinking on? And I need to take my next quarterback. In most cases, you know, you pay up for quar

an elite quarterback and elite mobile quarterback. You're waiting to take your backup quarterback because you've invested so much in the quarterback position. If that quarterback goes belly up, odds are your team goes with it. Right. It's not like Zach Wilson is gonna save your team if you lose Jalen Hurts. I know Zach Wilson it's not going to

be a starting quarterback. But it also depends, you know, if if you're a backup quarterback, a quarterback slides too far in the draft and already have Jalen Hurts will be like, screw it, I'll take this quarterback. He's too cheap right here. But essentially, the more you pay a quarterback, the more you pay up, the longer you wait for your backup. Yeah, there are some intriguing mobile quarterbacks that should be cheap. Will levis the rookie. He's a very

mobile quarterback that you could get late. We mentioned Trey Lance. It seems like he knows what is situation. But he's actually one of those top or those quarterbacks going to top one. He's like people are, yeah, you know with brock Purty putting out, you know, his elbow still hasn't ready, he still hasn't had the surgery that we all thought

he would have had by now. If this thing could really drag out where brock Purdy's not ready for the start of next year and Trey Lance gets first crack at winning that job, he becomes pretty intriguing as a as a flyer Light and Jordan Love He's got some mobility. I'm just intrigued with him overall because it sure seems

like Roger Richardson does. We'll find his land. Richardson doesn't seem like the I think Levis feels like the quarterback that would get Richardson seems like the quarterback they whoever drafts him he just has to be on the bench for but he certainly has uh you know, he's got some mobility that has people talking, all right, So give me a simple yes no. In a one quarterback league, Brian, for you personally and the drafts you're already doing best

ball drafts, are you prioritizing a rushing quarterback in one quarterback leagues? I am, I'm right now. I'm not reaching in the first half of the first round, which were I think we could see these quarterbacks move up to but right now I will. You can call it prioritize getting one. If I have a late first round pick, I'll take one in the second early second round. Okay, And it's really right now, I'm only really talking best ball.

But if I'm grabbing Stefan Diggs or A J. Brown, or if Travis Kelcey manages to slip in the five six seven range, I'll gladly pair one of those ais with Mahomes, who I know is not super mobile, but he's mobile enough. But it's really the hurts in the Allen's Well, I've just found you know, you looked in the playoffs in all my leagues or teams I had Jalen Hurts justin Fields, Josh Allen, those are the teams that were competing in the fantasy playoffs last year. They

were for the most part. And Jalen Hurts he got hurt at the wrong time. If you remember lying on Jalen hurds and that was me. But uh yeah, but that's just that was just bad luck. I think, um, super flex, are you prioritizing rushing quarterbacks? Yeah, me too. Think about this. Could you come out of the first two rounds you're picking end of the first round in super flex, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, I don't think so.

You don't think you can pull it off. You think those guys will be mean, that's like those are that maybe one two right there in super flex? Yeah, yeah, you're probably right. It's all they're they're gonna go. I think you see Justin Fields go at the end of the first round at letist in a super flex draft. You're probably right. Two quarterback leagues, now everybody's you know, now the you know, eight of the first ten are going to be quarterbacks for sure. Um do you prioritize

it there? You're like, well, at this point there's no value to be had and I'm gonna just I'm gonna slough it. Now. You gotta reach for you got it? Especially in two mandatory quarter back leagues, Yeah, you gotta. Yeah. Those are the ones where you see Daniel Jones going in the second round before you know a team he's going to be on, which tells you that you're you might be playing a system that's a little broken. But Daniel Jones that those rushing numbers were that you know

it made him a viable fantasy starter this year. I will say though I've I've kind of been advocating pairing Josh Allen's Jalen Hurts with their top wide receiver. I don't go out of my way to do that though, as much with like the statuesque quarterbacks, those are the ones that really lock in on their number one guy.

The mobile quarterbacks that are kind of they'll find whoever's open. Really, so it's not a you call that running a quarterback naked like I'll go naked Jalen Hurts meaning you're not don't pair him with any of your and you could easily get away doing that too. I'm more susceptible best ball. You're looking for all these big upside connections. I think in a standard league it's maybe more advisable to not have that connection, and the league it's critical to not

have that connection absolutely. So you know, I think you have to know your know your format a little bit. All right, tons of fun. Yeah, hey, next week, let's we're going to dive into rookies. Next week, the combines coming around, we'll talk about start getting up to speed on the rookies. We really care about who's going to make an impact um and start. You know, let's really start our deep diving rookies other than Bijean Robinson. Yeah, we're he won't even mention him. He's a little rare.

He's like he's the one oh one in a super flex startup. Most most years it's a quarterback. Last year it wasn't a quarterback, but yeah, the right landing spot. Robinson's got first overall pick upside. If you remember back to Zeke's rookie year, I had him number one on my cheat sheet and he finished close to number one. Se Quons year I had him add or close to number one. You know, if Robinson finds it fine, you know, falls into the right spot. Like I think Joe Mixon

looked totally cooked. If the Bengals do end up moving on him, on Bijean Robinson and and that's it, can't argue it. Think about the Bengals with adding him in, oh Man, that would be so enticing. Same with the Chiefs, you know, that's the Chiefs though. You almost worry about how many touchdowns Patrick Mahomes leaves behind, because the Chiefs with Patrick Molomes have never been able to get consistent touchdown production or even yardage production out of a running

back since Patrick Mahomes has been there. Yeah, he wasn't. Kareem Hunt was. Sam was the year before him? Right? Was that Alex Smith? That was an Alex Smith year? Yeah, Mahomes until weeks they had a meaningless week seventeen Holmes played in and then that was it. Yeah, and then obviously everything took off. Uh, thanks Bran, Yeah, sounds of fun. Appreciate you listening, everybody. We'll be back next week. Fantasy

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