Minnesota Tim Podcast: Heartbreak in Week-1

The Minnesota Vikings lose Opening Day against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and I just have a few things to say after their big opening day loss, and we are going to dive into that shortly. And my first takeaway after the Vikings lose is, oh man, that's my first takeaway after the Vikings loss. How can you all laugh after a performance like that versus the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It's hilarious. I'm one of those guys that doesn't take Vikings games

Pretty much the worst start to a season for either of us. We're big fantasy football guys as well, so right now it's looking like not only did the Vikings lose, but I was playing against Kirk Cousin and Alexander Madison so that pass to Alexander Madison was a double whammy for me. And then they still lose, so pretty much a horrible, horrible day.

Yeah, Jack, what are your thoughts on the game?

Two takeaways? TJ.

Hockinson's gonna be losing touches to Oliver if he keeps butting up thirty thirty yards three targets a game.

I like looking at him. He's kind of fun.

And also I'm just glad we lost to a premier quarterback like Baker.

I think in the first half the Vikings had like three hundred yards versus the Tampa Bay Buccaneers like sixty five yards and it was a top ten ten game at halftime. Before we continue on with the reaction to the Vikings loss against the Buccaneers, why don't you guys promote your little podcast not a little podcast.

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Well, let's dive back into the Minnesota Vikings loss against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with Luke and Jackieger, host of the Relegations Fantasy Football podcast presented by north Face Construction.

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So interesting stat came up. I don't know if anybody saw this.

At halftime, he was looking at two hundred and fifty yards with three turnovers, which is the last time that happened was in two thousand. Vinnie Testaverdi in, Yeah, two hundred and fift yards, three turnovers, So not encouraging.

I think.

I think the biggest obstacle that Minnesota is going to be facing this year outside of our defense, is our O line. It looked like Kirk was getting trapped every other play in that pocket.

Honestly, if we were to fraction out the blame, I mean, Kirk to me, maybe gets five percent.

Like, I don't think much of it was on him. When you look at.

Those turnovers, one of them was slapped out of his hand by his own offensive lineman Ingram.

Right, exactly. When you look at the turnovers. How can you blame him?

Right, you really can't.

I mean the interception was torn out of kJ Osbourne's hands.

Yeah, when I was watching the game, Kirk has some to blame, but he threw for like three hundred yards in the first half. Justin Jefferson had one hundred and thirty eight yards in the first half. What I thought about this game, It's like the exact opposite happened last season, where every little small thing that had to go right last season and then some went absolutely the way it needed to go for the Minnesota Vikings to win that game.

I honestly don't even know where I put most of the blame. If offensive line is a struggle, but injuries, I mean, losing Bradbury is losing Darisaw for a stretch. That's tough when you already have a week offensive line. I thought the defense played in the first half, especially, played really well, honestly, better better than I would have expected. I think they just got a bit worn down by the second half. I like this defense a lot better than last year's. Give them fifteen yards every play and

Maybe, are you going to give us? Are you going to give the Vikings a chance against the Eagles? Come on, stand on it, stand by.

Don't spread what.

I don't know.

If there I give them, I bet they beat us. They're within a touchdown, I bet so. I bet they beat like a five point spread.

I think we lose.

We do love playing to our competition somebody who I would blame pretty hard today Alexander Madison did not look good.

He did not look good at all.

Anybody saying that Alexander Madison is going to be playing to the caliber of what Dalvin Cook is going to be playing to this year is sadly mistaken in my opinion.

Like his touchdown, I hated his touch yeah, ending my ending my day.

Any run, it felt like he was carrying it for like less than two yards every time he trusted the football. Other than that touchdown, it just didn't seem like you could.

Never find a hole.

And I don't know if that's the old lines fault, but it wasn't. Wasn't super impressed with matter today.

Yeah, yeah, he does seem to lack an explosiveness, and maybe ty Chandler the back of it seems like he has a little more explosiveness than Madison. But Delvin Cook, he had some explosive plays last year, but he wasn't necessarily an explosive running back for a majority of the games. And I think that's why the Vikings got rid of him. Plus he's getting older, Plus his contract was massive. When I saw this game, I saw a lot of rust from the Vikings offense offensive line. There was some false

Yeah, yep, I agree. It did look it was sloppy. And on that field goal when they showed the replay, it wasn't just Ward. It looked like three guys on that line were offsides. He was just in line with all of them, and it looked like if it wasn't him, it was three other guys.

Those are special teams. Errors are killer. Those Yeah, need to always come back to bite you.

What percentage chance do you give the Vikings to now make the playoffs? They still have the Eagles, they have the Bengals who got cream today twenty four to three by the Browns, and then they got the forty nine ers who just went into Pittsburgh and crushed them. Those three teams left on the schedule, you would anticipate those would be all three be losses. Maybe I will see all the season goes. But I mean, I guess Luke, I mean I guess Luke likes our chances against the Eagles on Thursday.

Yeah.

No, no, I like our chances against the spread. I'm guessing the spread. Yes, No, I don't think we win.

You only changed your dialogue really quickly. There you went.

I asked you, what's the spread? I said, I think we lose by a field goal?

No, no, no, no. I wish I wish I could. I wish I could. I wish I could rewind this because then you said, who would have thought that the Buccaneers would have came to Minnesota and beat beat us with Baker Mayfield?

That is true. I did say that. Yeah, I did say that.

I so you insinuated that the Bakers were going to win, But then you kind of try to cover up by talking about the spread. Balls where your mouth is and stand for an opinion.

All right, fine, I'll take it.

Bikes win, Bikes win on Thursday, taking me a score, Vikes win. Let's go twenty seven twenty four?

Wow?

Wow, yep?

Wow? Do you pear pressured a lot in high school?

If you're pressure high school, I don't know. You tell me yeah I did?

Yeah, Okay, wow, it didn't take a whole lot. So okay, back to the Bain question. What percentage chance to give the Vikings to get to the playoffs?

You go for a check?

Oh man, that's so tough.

The problem is, like you talked about, you know, you got the Eagles, Cincinnati and then, and then you got who's the third that we're probably gonna lose San Francisco. I think I think it's a guarantee that we lose to San Francisco.

They look tough.

I think brock Purty came out stronger than anybody expected today. I do think that we lose to the Eagles, probably on a bigger spread than what Luke's given. And I unfortunately think that Cincinnati is going to turn around by next week.

And what do we play Cincinnati Week seven?

It's later I thought it was later in the season.

Ten something like that, because yeah, three seven to ten for those three teams something like that. I think Bengals have it figured out by then, and I think they throttle.

Us if we don't figure something out.

So unfortunately, I think we lose all three of those And if that's the case, you already owed four out of those four games, then we have to win, you know, a pretty good margin of the other games. If we can't beat the Bucks, you know, are we beating teams like Washington or are we going to beat Detroit?

You know, right right, all those games becomes question marks because this and theory was the easiest game to win on the schedule right at home against Baker Mayfield, who was in a quarterback battle all of training camp with a guy named Kyle Trask.

That is true, That is true.

He's good.

I would say, I would say this is about the Bucks. It's second year under under Todd Bowles. They might be more underrated than previously. Like I don't think Brady was good last year. So is is Baker currently worse than what Brady was last year?

Absolutely?

Yeah, don't.

I don't think he is really really I would.

I mean, mister one seven, three hundred and seventy three yards, that's like he had a pretty decent game. I think he kind of floats around that number for the rest of the season. Brady would have showings where he's putting up, you know, crazy yardage.

I don't know.

I think Baker is worse than Tom Brady, but I do think that the Bucks as a whole are probably around the same level, but maybe a little bit worse, which is discouraging for the Vikes.

Maybe it was definitely a bad loss, don't get me wrong, but I it's early in the season.

It's a long season. All those teams that we have to play.

Detroit has to play to everybody in our division has to play. If we can get one win that we're not expected to get now and Detroit has a loss they're not expected to have, we're back in We're back in the same position. I think we have a weak division, so I would say our chances, I mean, this hurts it. I would have said we were probably fifty to fifty with Detroit before. We're probably now more like forty six. But I still give us a forty percent chance to

Yeah, this guy, this guy's just bleaning purple over here.

I love it.

Before the season, when do you think of this takeaway? I got Green Bay Packers with a better record over the Minnesota Vikings.

Interesting, It's definitely interesting.

I think it's I think it's a hot take. I do, but I.

Sir or not. Are you sipping the yeager or not sipping the yeager?

I'm not sipping that, Jaeger. I'm I'm no.

Bikes are gonna I think bikes are better than Green Bay and Chicago.

I think it. I think it's gonna come down to us in Detroit.

And.

I don't know.

I mean, it's the division is a weird division. I think we're all we're a fairly weak division. Everybody's gonna be somewhere between six wins and ten wins, and it's gonna who knows who's gonna land where. But right now I would I'm projecting we win the division, probably with only nine wins.

Yeah, wow, I think I do think Detroit.

Uh, that's all hold? Sorry, sorry, Luke. I think that's a hotter take than the Green Bay Packers take of having a better record than the Minnesota Vikings.

The winning with nine or the Vikings winning the division winning with nine.

Yeah.

I don't know what.

What was the worst division record to get in last year.

I'm sure it wasn't there. I would have met.

Yeah.

I think Bucks got in with eight wins or seven wins or something like that. Yeah.

Were they under five hundred, Yeah they were, so they would have been eight and nine.

I'm guessing they weren't seven to ten.

I can't remember, But I do think there will be divisions that get in with nine wins. I don't I think if we don't win the division, I don't think.

We make the wild cards.

So Bucks got in last year with an eight and nine record.

Eight and nine records, so I think I think nine and eight there will be a division that does that, and I think we might be that.

Yeah.

I'm not buying into the Detroit Lions as much as some people might be after beating Kansas City. The reason being is that, yeah, it was an amazing win for them. It's definitely gonna help the record overall, but putting up twenty two points and everybody's saying that Detroit is about to be a super explosive offense before the season starts. You did beat Kansas City, but also not a great defense,

They had a wide receiver that gave the Lions like fourteen points.

Yeah, true, Yeah, I do like a Monra but outside and Jami or Gibbs will start getting more touches, I think. But I don't think Detroit is as good as people are projecting them to be. So I do think that we have a chance against Detroit. I do think we're going to be better than the Bears. And I don't buy Jordan Love or any of the Packer hype, even if they do have a good defense either. So I don't think it's that hot. I'm still I'm still here for a nine and eight record to make play.

Oh oh wow, I got the Vikings at a and nine before the season. I love your guys as hot takes. This is why you should follow, not for the hot takes, but the Relegations Fantasy Football podcast sponsored by north Face Construction. That's what it kind of takes you get on fantasy football. I love it. Kirk Cousins is this is last year for the Minnesota Vikings.

I think the safest bet ist bet he'll be playing somewhere else next year. But my gut tells me, My gut tells me he'll be back. I think, depending on what's out there. I don't think we're gonna have a good enough pick to have a rookie that we want starting with Justin Jefferson in his prime, and if Cousins has a bad year, we get him on a discount. And maybe if he has a good year, he says, you know what, I have a few years left.

I see my chance here. I like living in Minnesota.

He seems like a guy who likes to be settled and he might take a hometown discount.

I feel like a lot of it depends on your prediction for the Minnesota Vikings record this season. Like if you have the Vikings at nine and eight and winning the division, well, the likelihood that Cousins is back is probably higher than if the Vikings went four and fourteen or four and thirteen and and you know, stunk up the joint.

Oh, then he's definitely gone, because then then we're getting Caleb william Yes, that's.

What I was just going to say. Games of the season. I think we tank and go for Caleb Williams.

Really, I don't know, Jack visit Relegation podcast, put your balls where your mouth is, stay by a tape.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. We'll see what happens.

I think after after the Philadelphia game, if we really get smoked, I think it's going to give us a good perspective on what the other games are going to entail. I don't think at any point we're going to tank. I still think we're probably finishing third art Division, which means that you know, we're not We're not getting Caleb Williams, And that's considering we are losing more than I expect us to.

But yeah, yeah, well you're looking at the you think he stays.

Get back to me on that one. Yeah, no, no, no, I'll come with the take. I think he stays one more season. I don't think we want to throw a rookie quarterback in there. I think the Vikings are gonna go the old route where you have Kirk Cousins start in front of a rookie quarterback one year, and then the rookie quarterback is push into the starting lineup the following year. The good thing about the quarterback that's coming in for the Vikings is all the weapons that are

You got me as well.

Yeah, well, you guys came back after me. So I just can't. I just can't get out of this anymore.

Hey, if we're going to dish it, we got to be able to take it.

Oh, I love it, Bring it, bring it.

Gonna say back to the Kirk Cousins things. One of the hosts on our podcast, Andy Andy Peterson, he thinks Cousins is gone and he thinks Kyler Murray is the Vikings starting quarterback. Cardinals lose, they get Caleb Williams, let Kyler walk, or trade him and the Vikes.

The Vikes get him.

The Cardinals played tough against the Commanders today. I don't see that happening. I don't see the Vikings trading for Kyler Murray. I think that's more of a why wouldn't you just keep Kirk Cousins if you're gonna trade for Kyler Murray. Yeah, I don't know ky Kyler his reputation isn't very good around the league where he wants to play more cod than actually watch game tape. He had some injury history. He scrambles around quite a bit, could get hurt on one play, and it could flip your

Yeah.

No, I don't hope that happens. I think that would be a bad trade for the Vikes. We'd have to give up draft capital and much rather have Cousins.

I'm not a fan of Kyler, not at all.

Yeah, but he is he is younger, he's athletic. I don't know what what Connell is looking for in his perfect QB or do.

But so are you guys gonna go with Jordan Addison's offensive Rookie of the Year After his first performance.

I mean, he looked pretty pretty fun.

I had him on my bench in one league and unfortunately I started t Higgins over him, which came up with a big old who said that was staring back at me from the bench. But I love it, you know, having that depth on you know, on guys that I could potentially bring into the game.

It's fun.

Now does Jordan Addison score every single game moving forward?

Probably not, but his value is there.

He has the opportunity to the Only thing that worries me about Addison is he is weak. If anybody touches him, he's not getting a single yard more so, he's gonna have to be wide open when he catches it or put on some muscle.

I would say, uh, Addison is not going to be offensive Rookie of the Year would be my guess.

I mean, yeah, four.

For sixty one in a touchdown, great, but that's not that's not like JJFF Rookie years stats or something like that.

I mean, it's it's so early, it's week one. Who knows so much stuff can happen?

Yeah, and Jon looked good today, he did look he looked pretty solid. Oh my gosh, Vjon is that Atlanta Falcons offense?

Yeah? Yeah, but he's rookie, right, he's a rookie. Actually, you know, it's funny about Atlanta.

I know this is a Minnesota podcast, But Tyler al Geer putting up two touchdowns today?

What's up with that?

Yeah?

Like serious? Soj' over Madison right now.

The Relegation Fantasy Football Podcast presented by North Face Construction. That's the type of stuff you get on this podcast. If you want to if you want to follow a unique and awesome fantasy football league that's like none other, go check out the Fantasy Football League podcast. The Relegation Fantasy Football League podcast. That is uh Luke act Is. I was like, and some guests are on the podcast. If you guys had to describe this Viking's loss in

One or two words?

Very discouraging?

It would have been just discouraging. But I like how you were allowed. You were allowed the second word like that flex option.

Yeah, that's very Yeah, I like it. Luke still early.

Wow, I love these that's right that wow wow. Man, Tell you what if the Vikings ship went by right now, I think your nips would be getting a little hard. Tell you what, dude, man, big big Vikings guy. I didn't realize you're the speak of a homer.

No, I'm actually not. Usually I think I think the worst. Let's say the Vikings had just played the Chiefs won that and the Lions lost this. My thought would be, you know what, it's Minnesota, They're still gonna lose it. Sometimes giving up that homer on the first pitch isn't the worst thing. You start to play a little looser, things change. Maybe this is one of those seasons where it looks ugly to start and the guys can rally around it.

You have a good point. I mean, the Eagles are only up sixteen to zero on the Patriots in the first quarter, so there's a good chance the Vikings can go into Philadelphia and when.

Yeah, hey, I like it.

It's gonna make that victory look even sweeter. Wait to come on next week and just be yeah.

I want you to come on next week. Let's do it.

You can do it.

Let's do it.

Let' be sweet. I guess my one word for the Vikings loss against the Buccaneers would be heartbreaking. I one word, But I don't know if you guys heard it or not. You kind of were in the lobby waiting for me to let you in. But my takeaway from this game

Yep. I don't think we're making it to the Yeah, if we make it to the NFC Conference Championship.

I'm going to be shocked. Yeah, very very shocked.

So like very shocked, yeah.

Coming from you. Look I'm surprised.

No.

Hey, hey, I said we make the playoffs at nine and eight. I don't think anybody expects those teams to advance out of the first round.

Agree, Okay, okay, that's fair, that's fair. Well, guys, thank you for joining the Minnesota tim podcast. Last second, I just messaged you out of the blue, anay you guys want to join, and you guys join, so I appreciate it.

No, I love the invite. Thanks, thanks for hitting us up.

This was fun.

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