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FFW Micro - Deshaun Watson

Apr 13, 202312 min
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Deshaun Watson is a polarizing figure, so it's no surprise that Charch and Tyler have differing viewpoints of his forthcoming season. Last year's performances were very lackluster until the end of the season, but his 2018-2022 seasons were elite. Which version will we get in 2023? 

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You found Fantasy Football Weekly Micro a deep dive on one player in just five to ten minutes. Now, here's your host, Paul Charge. It's Fantasy Football Weekly Micro edition. Thank you for joining us. We put these out Monday through Thursday. Deep dive on one player. We encourage your participation. If there's a player you'd like to see us break down, let us know at Paul Charging on Twitter and at Tyler Knabillie K and a E B L E intent. Yeah,

well it's not obvious. Yeah, it's not. And as somebody that has languished under charge and all these all these years, I get it. I've had some people hit me up on Twitter. So I'm glad it's actually transferring over to a little Yeah, all right, gaining some followers. I hope that's the case. Yeah. We've broken down four players, three players this week already. We'll hit our fourth now and one of them was a was a contribution from a

listener David Montgomery earlier this week. What makes the kinds of players we want to break down? So if you're gonna send us a player, don't give us somebody who is coming off injury. So because then the conversation usually just turns into well, if he's healthy dot dot dot, you know, then this, and if he's not healthy then that.

I'd rather do somebody else because I don't think the injury, the injury conversations of too many unknowns in may you know who knows late Sorry, April, it's not me yet, yeah, April. So yeah, that's so those are the that's that's somebody that I'm not, you know, and I liked I like it also when there's some shifting sands around the players, like this guy, DeShawn Watson Today's focus. He was the QB twenty five last season in the average in the six games that he played at the end of the year.

But you're not drafting him. He's going off the board as QB nine right now. Well, you are not drafting You're not drafting him for the player he was last year. You are drafting him for the player he was in Houston. And the player he was in Houston was pretty freaking good. It was. He was QB four in twenty eighteen, QB four in twenty nineteen, and the QB five in twenty twenty. Also worth mentioning, he was the most sack QB in twenty eighteen, sixth most in twenty nineteen, second most in

twenty twenty. So he was doing this with not a lot of help on the offensive line especially, and I remember that last year he had it was him and Brandon Cooks and that was nothing else. Yep. And they know last year he got sacked plenty last year to Cleveland. You know, we think of Cleveland is having just dominating offensive line. It's a better run blocking line than pass

blocking line. They give up the They had the ninth worst sack percentage last year, and so there's no certainty that Deshaun Watson's not going to get sacked a lot. But I also think he runs himself into some sacks. And you see this with a lot of mobile quarterbacks. Justin Fields was the most sack quarterback last year by a mile. Yeah, I agree. I was looking at the breakdown he Jacoby Brissette had. I think he was sacked

twenty times and he played two thirds of the season. Yeah, And I think Deshaun Watson was sacked twenty one times and he played six games. Yeah, that's right. And those six games are rough, and we I guess we expected them to be rough. But he had a zero touchdown game, and then a one, and then a one and then a zero, and then things took off in the final couple of couple of games where he looked a lot

more comfortable in that offense. The question is does he ever get back to the player he was in twenty eighteen, nineteen and twenty. I think he's too good that he has to, because I don't think I don't think we can look at last season and be like, this is what he's going to be in Cleveland. He wasn't with the team for a majority of the season. He had to come back kind of pick up like where he left off in the preseason. There, it's probably a completely

different team than they were in the preseason. That first prison's to start with Rougher, him and Jacksonville. I remember that. But I think we just we know what he's been. He's done it over a long period of time. It's not like he did it one year and all this stuff happened and now he's back in. He did this for a while. They paid the price because that's what he was worth, was a fully guaranteed contract. Everyone two or three first round pick, So he's I think he's

that's what his price was worth. It. It's because he is so good on the field, and I think he's gonna have a situation around him where he could This probably is the best situation of his career in terms of an offense. He's gonna have Amari Cooper, Elijah Moore, Donovan, People's Jones. All those guys do different things. Even in David and Joe Target last year, you mentioned that the old line maybe has some troubles, but it's a lot better than what Houston's was when he was there. So

I just I'm gonna bet on the situation. Stefanski's a pretty good play caller. I feel like he can kind of get the most out of de Shaun and at QB nine's a fine price for him, considering his ceiling is higher than that. So I mean, I don't have If we were now he was going off the board as QB four, QB five, I'd probably be out. But he's QB nine right now, So I feel like you're

not even drafting him at his ceiling. Not his ceiling, sir, yes, but his ceiling is built largely and his rushing ability, um, you know, And and Deshaun wat and threw plenty of touchdowns in Houston. Didn't necessarily didn't really do that last year, but there's there's more passing upside. But what made him a special fantasy producer was the blend of the passing in the rushing. Give me his rushing totals. I think you've got the game log for Deshaun Watson in front

of you. Give me his rushing totals in his six games, because I am curious to see what kind of how Kevin Stefanski used him as a runner, because in my mind, I don't remember a lot of big runs coming from last year. Yeah, so last year used one of the attempts in the yards or so. We have seven first game against Houston, seven for twenty one, six for thirty three, six for twenty two, three for twenty four and a touchdown eight for thirty one and six for forty four.

And I also have the number of his rushing in Houston over the four years. Yeah, he averaged almost thirty one rushing yards per game and four rushing touchdowns per season. Okay, those aren't gigantic numbers. Yeah, so that's kind of in line with what is around here. So it's it's it's promising, I would say, Okay, all right, I thought it was. I thought maybe I thought maybe his usage in Houston was a little bit higher. This is a scenario in Cleveland where there's still a lot of miles defeat and

that's still going to be a run first offense. Nick Chubb is the identity of that offense, not to Shaun Watson, though maybe that changes. But my worry would be that Chemistefanski is who he is. He ran the ball in Minnesota. That was a Dalvin Cook led offense in Minnesota. He goes to Cleveland and it's a Nick Chubb led offense in Cleveland, and I just, you know, there's some part of me that just wonders if there's gonna be enough volume for Deshaun Watson to be the kind of passer

that he was in Houston. That's the thing is he had to throw a lot, so he was getting all these yards and all these touchdowns. They were always behind in these games, so he had he had to throw, and he did a good job. But it was really good for Fancy's kind of like the fancy basketball ferens like Trey Young and the Hawks, like he's a great fantasy basketball player because the team's bad because all he has to do he's do whatever you want and puts

up all these points. It's kind of like it kind of just feels like that's what Deshaun was in Houston. So I think it's a very interesting point. But I think maybe the counter would be maybe it will just be more efficient now is he could get a lot more touchdowns than he possibly couldn't in Houston. So Deshaun Watson is QB nine right now, let's talk Dynasty Empire leagues. In Dynasty and Empire, do you like him more about

the same or less? Are we talking super flex or It's well, I don't know that really necessarily matters, but you know we're not comparing it against other positions, Okay for sure? So okay, I mean regardless, QB nine, do you like him as the ninth best quarterback more or less? Are about there? In Dynasty? I do because I don't like the qbs below him, and I think he had a law of higher ceiling and those guys that are going right behind him. So I'm in on DeShawn on

pretty much any format this year. Okay, all right, I would I'm I'm overall way more cautious on him and this offense than you are. I think, let's play the ADP game. Let's see who else. Let's talk about who else is going around quarterback nine. All right, Lamar Jackson at QB eight right now, I gotta take the proven upside that Lamar Jackson's rushing gives you. Obviously lots of question marks about if whether or not where he's even playing,

and if he's unhappy in Baltimore. That worries me. But I think right now i'd take I'd take Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence. Loved what I saw down the stretch from Trevor Lawrence, and then that playoff game was just so amazing, And it's got to be for his confidence. I mean, to know that you can come back from a four pick first half down thirty points or whatever they were to the Chargers, that's gotta being so much to him.

I just I think it's hard not to like Trevor Lawrence what he does, and he's kind better wheels than people realize. I like those two quarterbacks over to Shaun right now. It's this next year that that worries me. So we got Dak at QB ten. What's Dak's highest fantasy finish. It can't be well. Back in his running days before he you know, got his ankle destroyed, he was probably a top six seven quarterback. So he's QB ten. Now, I'd still I'd take that. You would take that. I

think I would take, But I'm just further down. Okay, I take to Sean and then to a QB eleven. He's that high. I can't for redrafting concussions, I can't do it. Okay, best ball, I'm more interested because I don't have to sweat what game he might get knocked out of. But in standard redraft, non best ball too worries me a lot. He saw he was doing that taekwon do training to help him fall. You see that he was learn how to take a fall. That's what

he's doing. He's literally doing taekwon do training to learn how to better brace himself and when he falls. It's kind of it's kind of smart. I kind of like it, all right, Maybe I don't know. I'm all right. I like too, but like to Shawn more. Uh. Last one, Daniel Jones at QB twelve because he's got that rushing upside that you have the fourth most rushing yards last year exactly. Um, and in theory that passing game will be better next year, they got a draft to receive

were right. I can't believe that these words are coming out of my mouth. I'd rather have Daniel Joe. Okay, that's just ludic. I can't do that. They'll draft a receiver under the assumption they're gonna draft multiple receivers probably. Um. Now I'm taking Daniel Jones. I've been I'm just I just I was so unimpressed with the Deshaun Watson we saw last year. He just looked like a guy and I had a hard time conjuring up the images of twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. I am gonna give him

the benefit of the doubt. Last year, he six games yep, year away from the game, wasn't used to the cold weather. Yet you know he's accomlated to that out there. There were some games there's like there's games like wins or something like that against uh against I'm just saying I think his upside is higher than you do. Dak too and Daniel Jones. Yeah, you think it's an automatic he returns to form. I do not. I think that's and that's but that's his degree of disagree. Right, that's totally fine.

QB nine. I don't think you're getting You're not getting a discount at QB nine because in every twelve team league there's two or three people who absolutely believe, just like you do, that Deshaun Watson's gonna return to form and if he does, QB nine's is a good deal and that's where they're taking him. All right. Last one, Kirk Cousins or oh you're you're hurting n Watson. You are the Kirk Cousins guy on Twitter? Yeah, I am

get so many there's just so much hate out there. Yes, I know some guy, some guy posted the top fifteen quarterbacks in the NFC. I saw that and kirk wasn't

even listened in the top fifteen. Rock Purdy was ahead, and yeah, it's just come on, jeez, He's coming up a season with forty five hundred passing yards thirty touchdowns, Like, okay, so this season, who you're taking or kirk Um for fantasy purposes, I'm gonna take the guy throwing to Justin Jefferson all right, Yeah, And t J. Hockinson, who we broke down on an earlier episode of Fantasy Hopeball in

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