Training Camp Reports: Believe them or Not?

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left and right your name first. Oh, I mean I didn't point it, but I'll take it. Yeah, uh yeah, Frankie and I here by ourselves. Mike Florio off to greater pastures. Okay, is he the chat by the way, I don't think so. It might be at some point. I feel like he's gonna pop in, like, yeah, he'll be around um while beyond. Later this week we reached out a couple a couple of other Yes, we'll see if we can get them on Freanky. How was your weekend? My weekend was long, it was. It was a bit

of a struggle. I went out both nights to see Michael Florio. How's not planning on that happening? By the way, um, lots of drinks. Friday night was the local experience with Michael Florio, and everyone was wrapping up. I'm like I'm not done yet, not done yet. So I I went out to a storia, um smoke some houka, and then Saturday I smoked who was going a very long time? Yeah? Was. It was one of those things where like sounded like a great idea because I was intoxicated. The next day

I was just like, why did you do that? Yeah? I feel it's always it's always gives when you smoke. Google like, oh, this seems it's like fun in the moment, and usually why am I doing this? There was a DJ there, the music was fun. That was cool. Um. And on Saturday, like Kinga's friends come over for her housewarming. I guess because we have like segregation. I don't know why you have segregation. Yeah, like we had one for like my family, I had one for her family because

we don't have enough space. So and then we ended up after midnight. Oh let's go ahead of Michael Florio Berry Park, So there you go. Old Knights went out and visited Michae Florio and then yesterday I was just like laying around regretting everything I've ever done in life. A lot of spike ball yesterday, a lot of spike ball. Still haven't gotten an invitation of spike ball. Not as sore as I thought I would be. New Fantasy BFS

same Gregg doesn't invite his friends to play spike ball. Yeah, I uh little lost pike ball yesterday the park and then Saturday night I didn't make it the Mikes. I went the Yankee game. Wait, what's the Yankee game? All right? Yeah? Which one? The night? The night game? All right? They won that one. Yeah, I mean that was a little That was a back and forth performance. So that was probably to watch my new things. Ever since that we we had ian CON's tickets where he was nice enough

to give them to us. Um, I buy the cheapest tickets in the building and then I just look for seats and it works great. Yeah, because up top, like no one's really checking. Don't go, I don't even go up top. Where you go? I went, yes Saturday night, I went to section. Yeah, it was pretty good. He's walked in. Yeah, I mean, I guess like Yankees royals, right, like no one really cares. No one's carrying, right, no one's no one's like bothering me. One fact, yesterday actually

bought Yankee tickets for the first time in a while. Yeah, I'm going to Yankees mats that so it's Monday, August. It's the rescheduled game. So it's interesting because forts when we were looking at tickets back in like when they played at City Field, where so I got Yankees met tickets for forty bucks, like somewhere high up, like I might just walk around and try and think. The thing is he's got to look for the right usher. That's kind of just like doesn't really care if you are

not walking back and walking past. He's walking out here on the list. So I haven't been to a game in a while, so that's gonna be fun. Well, go, that's two weeks today. There you go, We'll go. Okay,

you can see that um on the show today. It's gonna be fun because now Corey touched on this an hour ago, but we wanted to really dive home because in our group tax which is just the two of us now, So in our conversation, we noticed there's a lot of training camp stuff that comes out and Floria has retweeted a bunch of it, uh, and Frank's commented on something and I have as well, and we need to try to decipher what is just noise and what

is information that we have to pay attention to. So we're gonn play a little game that we stole from around the Horn many years ago, termed by or say, I'm gonna give you a piece of information. We're gonna discuss it, and we're gonna talk about if we should buy it and use it for our fantasy drafts or

sell it because it's just training camp bluster. So I want to start with the one I think most people were talking about late last week and into the weekend and now today Frank and that's his stuff with Chris Carson. So he was RB one of the depth Shore. You got the first handoffs when it came to when training camp started, when the first team was on the field, it was Chris Carson out there, not Rashanda Penny. After practice,

Pete Carroll gushed about how good Chris Carson is? You buying your selling Chris Carson RB one in Seattle, not in fantasy RBY one, but in RB one for the Seattle Seahawks. I'm not buying this it then, yes, I I were selling Chris Carson as the RB one right

now for the Seattle Seahawks. And I know U I mentioned this last week that Pete Carroll likes to do this thing with competition, where you know, even though they went out and signed Matt Flynn, they gave Russell Wilson an opportunity to win the job, and look what the Seahawks have been ever since. The difference is Chris Carson was a seventh round draft pick, and given all of the holes on the Seattle's Seahawks team, they used their

first round pick on Rashad Penny. So use that much draft capital on a guy coming out of college who last year was an absolute beast. I don't care that he played for San Diego State UH in the Mounted West Conference. The guy ran for over two thousand yards at twenty three rushing touchdowns, also had two receiving touchdowns as well. So use the first round pick on this guy and he's not going to be your RB one. It's probably Pete Carroll just trying to like light a

fire underneath his rookie, underneath his team. But regardless, it's it's an it's an asinine comment in my opinion from Pete Carroll because you don't use that kind of draft capital on a position, especially when you have so many holes on the defense, the offensive line. You have all these needs on the team and you don't draft a guy and then he's not gonna end up being your starting running back. So I still do envision Rashad Penny

being the workhorse back for this team. I've moved him down to my rankings a tad bit just because I felt like I was a little bit too high on him. I have him as the RB six team as of right now. He's going on that third fourth round swing. But you know, J J. Zacharyson was talking about this too over the weekend, and you know people are contacting him saying, why can't the Seattle Seahawks be the New Orleans Saints of this year? Why can't they have mark

Ingram and uh Alvin Kamara. Why can't Chris Carson and Rashad Penny be their iteration of that backfield? The Seattle Seahawks still have the thirtieth ranked offensive line heading into the season. The New Orleans Saints had a top five offensive line last year. Like that is not going to happen. Yeah, Chris Carson might have a role here. I have two seven touches the game, maybe even a little bit more than that. But I laid out the numbers when we

spoke about Rashad Penny. You don't use a first round pick in the nd FELT on a running back and you don't make that player your workhorse. So I am selling this. I've I think Chris Carson is a handcuff at best. He will have a role, but Rashad Penny. They drafted this kid for a reason, and I'm very excited to see what he can do on the scene.

I'm not worried about this, Greig. I'm also selling this as Chris Carson's number one running back in Seattle for all the reasons you mentioned, And and j J did a fantastic job over the weekend explaining that Chris Carson's is not that good. And Jake's pointed it out as well that yeah, okay, so he was better than Thomas Rawls and he was better than c J prosize, and that's awesome, doesn't actually mean he was good. Jake has

said so many times. If you look at Chris Carson's game log, he had like one really good game, he had one like right game, and like two games that we're having right here, like so he averaged four point two yards were carrying it was forty nine attempts for two hundred and eight yards. One of those games, six point five yards were carry. He only had six carries for thirty nine yards the game. His best game was against the San Francisco for Niners when he had twenty

rushing attempts for ninety three yards. Do you remember last year the San Francisco forty Niners were getting run all over by anybody who wanted to. So twenty rushing attempts for ninety three yards four point seven yards to carry, all right, that's fine, But like people were doing that on a weekly basis against this team. So I'm not buying that either. Like he had one game with a receiving touchdown, he only had one touchdown total in in

four games. I'm not buying this. Like I think the Seattle Seahawks offensive line is going to be better, you want to light a fire under Penny and look if people are gonna push Penny down the draft board and fantasy this year because of this, Take this guy in the fourth round. I'll do that every single time. Greg. We'll let me follow that up with another rookie running back. There hasn't been exactly much information here, but when it comes to Sonny Michelle and the guys and the friends

you were just talking about it. He's other first round running back, but he's a Patriot. And Rex Burke heads there, and Gillis Lee and and it was like Jordan Howard, but it's Jeremy Hill is there, James White is damn it, There's a lot of names there. Still is Sonny Michelle somebody that is also falling down draft boards for the same reason. Is he someone that you feel just as

comfortable grabbing. I do not feel as comfortable drafting. And it has to do with New England Patriots, as you mentioned, And you know, people have talked about the Patriots taking a first round running back in years past. They did it with Lawrence Moroney long ways ago. And I highlighted this in my article, uh that he finished as he finished like outside the He finished RB twenty eight that season.

So I mean that's a that's a round where Sony Michelle is being drafted right now in that twenty to thirty RB range. But I worry about Rex Birkehead. I worry about James White. White is still gonna have a role on this team. Rex Burkhead last year Um, you know, he reminds me of the Dan Lewis of this team, because what would we always say about Dan Lewis? He is the dual threat where you know, he can run the ball and he can catch the ball out of

the backfield. And I'm not saying that Tony Michelle can't do that, but he strikes me more as like an early downs, bruising running back type guy that you use on the goal line, A big body guy, a guy who can break tackles. Uh, he can be you know, that early down running back. But I think Burkehead is a guy who can run the ball also catch the ball out of the backfield. And you know, when the Patriots had Dean Lewis on the field last year, you didn't know what they were gonna do. So I think

that versatility lends itself to Rex Burkhett. If I'm drafting any running back out of the Patriots backfield right now, I'll take Burkehead, who's going you know, outside the top thirty at running back in a DP right now, you're getting him in like the seventh eighth round, I'll take him as you know, my RB four, my flex option. I'm not doing the Sony umselfing though I also really like the idea of rex burkhead as my RB four

RB five. Um it's not really cost you much in an auction either, and I do we are going to do in case those are one day, we are gonna do an auction show because I have an auction coming up on August twenty, so that's three weeks from say, actually, um, so I haven't. I have an auction coming up then, and I listen. I think auctions are under your talks about because snakes are still the majority. Anything. Auctions are

are really good, so we're talking about that. I think rex Burke is a really good cheap option because for the exact reason you mentioned, they love the Dean Lewis in the field. They didn't know what they would do. Rex Burke had is an example. He proved last year he was a goal line back. He's done nothing but succeed and produced in his time in New England. Even when he wasn't gonna carries, he was still a goal line back. He was still falling into the end zone.

Nobody has more resident opportunities in theory than the New England Patriots. I like rex Burke had a lot forward the price of nothing new England Patriots. You know, again the frustration that comes with it. Though there were four different running backs on this team had fifteen or more red zone attens last year. And if you think about it, like the season was kind of broke down into quadrants in terms of which running back they used. It was early on they were using guiltlessly in the red zone.

Then you know, they kind of transitioned into Rex Burkehead he got banged up a little bit, James White if they were running like the no huddle, the hurry up offense, he was getting worked in the red zone. And then even Dean Lewis towards the end of the year. You know, he carried people and helped win a lot of championships

for fantasy. So that's why it's just frustrating if you have to invest with what I've seen, don't even show a fifty sixth round pick, and you don't know, like whether or not he's going to be the guy for the entire season or whether it's just gonna be a portion of the season, a quadrant, a four game stint,

maybe half the season. Like, yeah, there's upside there if he ends up being the guy we could see like a ten plus touchdown season out of him, but there's also like a low floor where you know, this guy has fumbling issues too. He'd already put the ball on the ground a few times during training camp the build. The Patriots beat writers were talking about that. That's something you have to worry about him as well. I mean, Bill Belichick, regardless of who you are, he's not gonna

stand for that. So that's just one more thing you have to worry about with Tony Michelle. Before we hit the break, I want to go back to Seattle for one more buy or sell, and that's still with the running game, because you're at that time of the year of Pe Carroll's more than any other coach in the NFL. He pumps his players up, and that's why I leave

Pecarrot lest lesson really any other head coach. And the latest running back he pumped up with c J. Pro Sis He's like, listen, c J. Pro Sise is the best blocker we have right now, our best pass catcher we have right now. He's a leader to play on third downs. And we talk a lot, Frank all that about these pass catching running backs. Chris Thompson obviously comes to mind. There's plenty of others that have a ton of value. C J pro Sises, I've been able to

stay healthy for a minute in the NFL. Are you gonna waste the draft pack on c J pro Sise? Another thing that I'm selling here, I wouldn't be surprised if Chris Carson ends up in a role like this

Rashad Penny. You know, something we do have to worry about with rookie running backs is past protection and learning the schemes and you know who to pick up in protection, especially when you you have a quarterback like Russell Wilson where you know he's a guy, so you can't risk him getting blown up with a bad pass protecting running back. You know we've heard this before with c J pro Sise again, Pete Carroll talking up his players. Pro Sise has played in eleven games in his career. I mean

that's two seasons into his NFL career. He only has forty one rushing attempts a hundred and ninety five rushing yards. I do think that he is a talented receiver out of the backfield, but no just because he's the best in pass protection, like you guys be past protecting. He's gonna like pop his shoulder out like he's always hurt. So I'm not I'm not worried about c J Process. I'm selling this again. I could see this role going to Chris Carson or maybe someone else on the roster.

J d MKISSI if they want to get him involved too, But I do think it's Penny and then if they want to take him off the field for some of these situations, Chris Carson, Yeah, I think so as well. I'm buying I'm buying Rashard Penny and a lot of fantasy. Analyst talks about this. As long as Penny Stock, Penny Stock had a good team name, I'll dane that um. As long as Penny Stock continues to drop, I'm going

to that's when we're gonna snatch him up. I asked you now two weeks ago, what was difference you Sean Penny and Ronald Joneses and why Penny was going so much higher? And your answer was, I don't know now, as Penny kind of drops a little bit, and there's no evidence that he he is dropping in our heads. If he's dropping, Ronald Jordon's rising. You're gonna get to that same spot on a level playing field for both of these rookie running backs. I'm excited to see what takes place.

I'm sure we're only moments away, by the way of Dirk Cutter coming out and Talco Magic Chiz Rogers a baiting barber at the starter of that. Yeah, oh yeah, they're already talking abou Peyton Barber there. That's already a right, didn't you know what's coming? Well, we'll take a break here, listen to eighties music of all and when we come back here on the Fantasy Best Friends Forever, I want to get into what's going on in Carolina because we talked a little bit last week about it. I want

to get into a full throttle with Christian McCaffrey. Buying your cell thing this year I was one way. Have I changed my mind in a week's time. I'll let you know next. Let me be a fast Have you ever wanted to have a fantasy expert in the palm of your hand? Rofederal yet in the pocket of your khakis. We'll check it out now you can. It's the Fantasy Sports Radio Network app. Download it down to your phone.

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Kirk Cousins and Minnesota. Kirk Cousins, um as Jacobs pointed out, actually in the past, was leader for in rushing touchdowns for Washington over the last couple of years, and he's always good for a few in the red zone with its quarterback sneak or whether it's a scramble. Kirk Cousins has the ability and has a nose for the end zone. So Mad Ass Kids Entertainment asked us, hey, is Kirk Cousins a bit of a threat at the goal line

of Dalblin Cook. I think it's a fair question. And he does have thirteen rushing touchdowns over the last three years. And we spoke about this last week or whenever we did quarterbacks. I think, yeah, it was last week. I'm kind of worried about this for Kirk cousins fantasy production because if he doesn't get these four rushing touchdowns, which he's had each of the past three years. That's gonna affect his fantasy output himself. And not a guy that

hasn't thrown for thirty passing touchdowns himself. So if he's not getting these rushing touchdowns, I do worry about his fantasy output for the season. You gotta remember that was a different coaching scheme that he had in Washington. You know, they would run plays for him, you know, once they would get towards the goal, wine or whether he would

call those plays himself. I think you still depend on him for a few Maybe we don't see the four or five that he's had in years passed with Washington because it is just a new team, a new coaching scheme. I'm not really worried about it for Dalvin Cook. No, Latavius Murray's on this team. I'm more worried about Murray than I am. Kirk Cousins stealing touch ons away from Cook if that's somewhere they wanted to go. You know, Murray has had a nose for the end zone, even

going back to his days with Oakland. But I do think again, they drafted Dalvin Cook in the second round last year for a reason. He was their workhorse running back last year even with the other running backs on the roster, he was their guy. So I'm not worried about this. I still have him ranked um right ahead of Leonard Fournette, and I am confidently taking him on that one to turn. Okay, So there you go, no no fear of Dalvin Cook and you're still taking down Cook.

Okay um. Another one of these sophomore running backs is Christian McCaffrey, and he went ahead of Dalvin Cook after Leonard Fournette. He went in that pot pocket there, and I was saying, how I like Christopher Caffrey a lot like I thought he has the ability to be this year's Todd Gurley with how awesome he is. We talked a lot about it during that show a couple of weeks ago, and then training camp bluster happens last week where not only does he want does Ron Rivera say

Christian mccafrey could be good from anywhere? Twenty five carries a game. He boosted it up a couple of days later, and I wanted to get touches a game, and we get this guy. Thirty five touches the game, Greg so forty touches the game. Greg okay so Twitter rightfully. So it goes wild over this like this is training camp bluster, like there's no way he could handle absolutely not. This is ridiculous. They signed tej and Theerson and I'm and I'm just like, you know, why not, Like why can't

he Why can't Christian McCaffrey do this right? Like he's a top ten Bicky keeps saying our first rounder for a reason, like he's top ten big and he's really talented. He bulked up so he can get stronger. The yards per carry went up the second half of the year, Like why can't he? Why can't he get these carries? So then of course you remember all he lost the left tackle and you're nowell the right tackle. It really pour up his knee a bunch, which isn't great. Tell

attendant was hurts towards mcl there go, that's why. And he's not gonna score any touchdowns because he's he's like fourth in line of the goal line for touchdowns. Like huh. So I sit here and I was like, man, do I want Christian McCaffrey. And I go back and forth at this price, particularly in an auction, when I have the ability to set my own price, so let me ask you this, Frank, you're buying your selling Christian McCaffrey

at twenty five touches a game, absolutely selling. Greg Susan and Christie McCaffrey will not be touching the ball five times for a game, whether Ron Rivera likes it or not. This team brought in C. J. Anderson, and I know you're not a big believer in him, but I still do think that he is better than Jonathan Stewart. I think he's a at this point his career, better version

of Jonathan Stewart. And I told you I would set the over under and carries for C. J. Anderson this year and around one seventy five, and I'll slightly take the over on that. J STWO had a hundred ninety eight carries last year. Now, I do think um McCaffrey is going to see an increased workload. He had a hundred and seventeen rushing attempts last year. He average around twelve thirteen touches per game. I think we see him

in that hundred and fifty hundred and sixty carries. Uh, And I do think that he's still gonna be in that seventy to eighty catch range. So I mean he's gonna be to twenty two thirty two two and fifty touch per game, maybe in that like fifteen sixteen touches per game range, but he's not getting twenty to twenty five thirty touches game. It's just not happening. And you know, I like that you brought up the Panthers offensive line. I think there's a very underrated storyline right now that

people aren't really talking about. They lost uh Norwell from last year. He is now with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Their offensive line at the end of last season, according to Pro Football Focus, was ranked as the eleventh best offensive line. They dropped all the way down to twenty one. And what they're already suffering injuries during training camp too, So

I am very worried about this offensive line. It could lead to more catches for McCaffrey, so that helps him, but in terms of efficiency that might uh that might hurt McCaffrey's yards per carry and the same thing as C. J. Anderson, but he will not be touching the ball thirty times game. I think more of that, like fifteen seventeen touches per game makes sense for McCaffey. Where does Christian McCaffrey have

to go for you to take him? Now you're not high on him in general, where where does you have to go if you grab him? I'm not I don't dislike McCaffrey, Like I understand where he's being drafted in the second round, as you know, a low n RB one. That's where he finished last year. And I know Jake has been on record saying this, like all you need him to do is replicate what he did last year, and you know, I think he can come close to that,

maybe even be a little bit better. So I understand where he's going on that, like two three turn I think it makes sense earlier than that. I'm not sure that I'm gonna pull the trigger on McCaffrey in PPR full point, yeah, because he can catch eighty balls, but half point PPR, even in the standard, you have to

drop him down a little bit. So, um, we're gonna do a video later today with pick nine, and I'm gonna let you know right now, I'm gonna start one of those teams with a wide receiver pick and in round two, McCaffrey is probably the best running back available, and I will not be taking him. So I'm gonna do one, uh one team where it's RB wide receiver start and another team where it's wide receiver, wide receiver.

Excited to watch that. I wouldn't take him in the second round that early, at the ninth pick unless it's full point PPR half point or less. To me, he's like a tooth. So you're not spoiler alert, you're not going to running back running back all that? Uh No, I will not be doing a running back. Okay, so they said go look out for freights video the white we're calling the whiteboard series that we're calling it like the hood Draft series a good ring, all right, white Board,

that's the Hoodia Draft series for sure. You can make the calls down. No, I know it's it's what do you want it to be called? No, I wanted to be called the Hoodie drafts Areas, and I think that's I think that's right because, um, ultimately they're gonna help you. And I've learned so much by watching these videos, and if you haven't checked them out yet, please go do so. Uh frank wherever you when you figure out your draft spot,

you should not draft without watching Frankie's videos. He's in the first pick, the six pick, in the twelfth pick, and now he's gonna start going in between that. So I know today is the ninth pick. Um tomorrow or wherever we next record, the next video will be the third pick, and then we'll kind of go around from there. I'm very, very excited to watch these. Um, They're just phenomenally done, Frank, I know all the hard work that goes into it. So, um, please, you haven't watched it,

go check it on YouTube. It's who to draft with whatever pick you have, We're gonna get all of them up. It's awesome stuff. How do you feel about McCaffrey. You're obviously not buying any of this? Do you think, I mean, you might be. Maybe you are. I don't want to speak for you. I think he's going to have more touches than you think. He's gonna be higher than that fifteen to seventeen per game range they do. Yeah, yes, I don't think he's taking so I'm selling would take

like fifteen carries and like four or five catches per game. No, it's gonna take thirteen carries and seven catches a game. I think that. I think I think that's more likely to be honest with you, Um, I think that eighteen and twenties, So maybe it's thirteen and five. I think that's I don't think that's unrealistic that to ask for in all honesty, But I really like Christian McCaffrey the player. I think he's a really good football player. But not

having any chance at the goal line were really scares me. Like, I know there's a ton of guys that we talk about, like old guys in Detroit where you're trying to figure it out, Um, Legarrett blots the goal line map right, and you're like, well, this is annoying because I really like carry On Johnson, but I know Legarrett, well, it's gonna be the goal line guy. And then there's plenty of other situations where you can't project who's gonna got

touchdowns and it's an issue. But I know Christian McCaffrey's not every're gonna be a bell cow that he's not ever going to get the goal line stuff. So well, I like him. Do I like him enough to take him in the middle of the second round. No, Like Chris Thompson is a similar example, right, He's gonna get a ton of touches. He's really really effective in his role, but he's never the goal line back ever. Now, Chris Thompson's going four or five rounds later Christian McCaffrey. So

why I'm not comparing the players. CHRISTI McAffrey is probably a better overall player, and he remains healthy, and I'll take him earlier than Chris Thompson. I can't take him four to five rounds earlier than Chris Thompson. Like Chris McCaffrey was there for me in the third round, I would take him, I wouldn't take him in the second. Is that is that like reasonable? Yeah, that's what I was saying. You know, I think in full point PPR, I don't have a problem pulling the trigger in the

second round. But half point PPR anything, and that's half point Just to clarify, I usually speak in half point PPR terms. Yeah, if we're talking in like generally, it's half point PPR. But you know, in standard you push him down into the third round, I think, because again in standard, touchdowns means so much more, and you'll probably be in like that six, seven, maybe eight touchdown range. But I don't know that you can project more than that realistically, So half point if he's on that two

or three swing, I think that's fair. Full point firmly in the second round, that's okay standard. I'm pushing down into the third round, but I agree with that. I don't. I'm very interested when you do. He's going he's going in the middle of the second round right now, right? Is that where he's going a little eight second round? Maybe? Yeah, I could pull up the ADP. He's going seventeen point six one. Yeah, he's going realatively right, relatively NFFC, which

is a full point PPR. Okay, So that that's interesting. Um, So that means when you do your series around that spot, you're gonna let him pass every time? Yeah, because again generally like the water CEOs are like half point ppr. Yeah, of course, what means I wouldn't do that. And also the wide receivers are just better in that spot. You're like, you're getting Damante Adams is there. So I'm gonna show you how your team turns out if you take Odell beck him in the first round, keen down in the

second round. Let's see what running backs get round three and four. That would be really cool because I was actually talking with that with a friend of the weekend, because we think in our draft we're gonna have eleven twelve. But I was kind of do it out, like I think there's a chance O'Dell is there for me at eleven. Maybe you know, maybe not, um, but I think could be there for me to eleven. And like, okay, so if I start by team with O'Dell and Michael Thomas,

like what would happen then? And this is kind of similar to what you're saying. So even though you haven't gotten to the eleventh pick yet, um, it's the same concept that makes it really cool. So I'm interested in seeing how your team with two receivers does turn out tonight. Yeah, and you don't have to force your hand at like taking a running back just because of like positional need. Like Jake just did a pros versus Joe's draft last week where he started three wide receivers and he said,

no way in hell was that ever his strategy. But I think he had to pick eleven. DeAndre Hopkins fell to him at eleven, and then in the second round he's like, there's just no way I'm gonna pass. I'm not gonna you know, pull uh like McCaffrey up the board just to take a running back there. And then he said t Y Hilton was his best player on the board and in the third round and then he ended up getting like McCoy as his running back one

in the fourth round he got like Marshawn Lynch. And I think more so than ever this year, you have starting running backs on teams that are going in the middle rounds of drafts, like you don't know how good they're going to be, but they are there. Like Isaiah Crowell is there. Jamal Williams is there. Which it's up to you whether or not you like him those first two games. If he can grab the role and run

with it. Aaron Jones hurt now as well, hamstringing with a hamstring, and you know they're talking about more and more Jamal Williams and that he's running with the ones. Um. I saw it last night, you know, Mike Clay was doing his show. He had a Packers beat right on saying normal down and distance will always be Jamal Williams. So and they're trying to figure out where does Aaron Jones kind of work his way into this? And now

I mean Unfortunately he's hurt. Maybe that rops him down the pecking order even more, which is annoying because I actually think Aaron Jones is the most complete running back on the team. How are the Bears and Vikings run defenses? The Vikings are very good. They were very good last year. They should be very good one Bears think the Bears are good too. If I remember correct, Bears were solid. I think they were like the middle of the pack, maybe a little bit above average. I remember them being

in that range. Oh look at the NFL rush defense right now, number two overalls of Vikings. The Eagles were one, the Beyors were eleven, so pretty solid. Come inside the sledding for um Jamal Williams the first first two games. Yeah, And I mentioned that when we did the Power Hour.

I said, look, if he struggles those first two games, maybe there's a chance coming off the suspension, if the Packers didn't like what they saw out of Jamal Williams or he wasn't effective, to give Aaron Jones a chance to no kind of take the job there and see what happens. So I'm still interested. I like the discount that you're getting on Aaron Jones. And then even with this hamstring injury, we have to monitor it, but that

might pushing down draft boards even more. You mentioned Marshall Lynch moment ago and how he's going in the middle rounds and he's available. Well, John Gruden is not only talked up Marshall Lynch, but he's also talked to Doug Martin and how he's always loved Dog Morton and Doug Martins would be a significant contributor on this team. Are you buying or selling Doug Martin having a major role

with the Raiders? So at first I was selling, Like I wrote the a f C and NFC position battle articles, uh inside the Rotal Experts exclusive H package use promo code Frank the Tank get to get a ten percent discount, but is scouring the area for the belt. I wasn't buying Doug Martin at first, but the more they talk him up, I do think that there is going to be a second running back on this team that does

have a fantasy impact. And you know they've spoken about even cutting DeAndre Washington from the team, ning ding Frank the Tank um Jalen Richard is now banged up as well, and look, they just continuously talk up Doug Martin and they want him to be a thing. And if you go back and you look at what John Gruten has done with running backs throughout his eleven year coaching career, only one time did running back have more than two hundred and forty two carries. So he typically does not

use a workhorse approach. He has a one A and he has a one B. And I think everything that he said about Doug Martin to this point is setting up for Doug Martin to be that one bet on this team. With that being said, you know that I'm the high guy on Marshawn Lynch right now. I have him ranked nearly inside my top twenty four. I think I have him as the I have him as the twenty six rank running back right now. Last year he finished at this RB twenty and that was with just

two hundred and seven carries. So he doesn't need a lot of work Marshall Lynch to finish as the top twenty four running back. So I'm not worried about Doug Martin getting a role. I think he will have a role. I'm buying this. I think he can be maybe like eight to ten touches per game Marshawn Lynch maybe in that you know, fifteen sixteen, seventeen range, but in the second half of the season Marshall Lynch showed that he

is not done playing football yet. I'll still take him as you know, my RB three in that round seven eight range as my flex and times out of ten, Greg, yeah, I'm gonna sell this for me. Like I know, listen, John Green loves his veterans. That's that's obviously very very clear. But he's got one that's that's good in Marshawn Lynch. And I was wrong, relatively wrong about him. He he looked like he had nothing left early in the season.

I picked it up and Marshall Lynch, is Corey likes to say, is one of these guys that simply plays. They'll play himself into shape. And I think you're gonna see that this year. Um, i'd like to think of the goal line, it's always gonna be Marshall Lynch. That's kind of the opposite of what we were just saying with Christian McCaffrey. So, um, I'm never gonna be the person that goes out and gets Marshawn Lynch. But I think if he's there and it like kind of fits

a need. That's what I'm gonna take him. Yeah, so Lynch right now in NFFC drafts, he's going pickin Greg So I mean round so that I'll go out and do because the eighth round and that's the last round of starter as I as I now now, so you know that's somewhere I'll take Marshall Lynch. So that's cool. We'll take a break here when we come back. I want to get into what's going on in Miami. There's a lot of weapons here and I think there's one that's being overlooked, so I want to get into that.

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can see that he's pretty good with all. We'll get to that. So I'd be looking into Miami Dolphins situation that because I really like Ryan Tannehill, because really Florida turned me on here and he's like, Hey, Kenny Steals, is this guy really really loved this year? And you point to a multiple of reasons how effective he's been since joining the Dolphins, and probably most importantly is all the targets you lose without Jarvis Landry. And for that reason,

everyone is jumping back on board with DeVante Parker. People do like Kenny Stills, but not really hearing anybody you have any love for Danny Amundola. Listen, I get it, dude cannot stay healthy for the life of him. I got that. But where did all the targets go in Miami? The slot Jarvis Landry, that was really a hundred catches every year in the slot. Now he remained healthy, and he remained remained effective, and he was awesome. But that's

where it went. Whether Jay Cutler was the quarterback, Matt Moore was the quarterback, or Ryan Tannehill was under center, they went to the slot. Kenny Amadol is now the slot receiver from Miami Dolphins. I know there's team signed Albert Wilson in the off season, quite a lot of money twenty four million dollars that Adam Gays can out today and said listen, Albert Wilson is an outside receiver, which means he has no higher than fourth on the

depth chart. If you're putting Kenny Stills on one side calling me I'm hosting their radio show, Kny Stills on one side, popular compater answered it, dude, that was weird. Um, you want to talk to him right now, get him on the air. Davante Parker on one side and Kenny Stills on the other. Danny Amontold is in the middle. And if big, if I know it's not gonna happen he stays healthy. Certainly a PPR leads, he's leagues he's going to have a big, big year, and it had

point dr leagues. I think there's value simply because he's going to get the ball. Are you buying or selling Danny A. Mendola as option number one in the slot for the Dolphins? You will be option number one in the slot. So I am buying that. And you know, I think you make good points his ADP right now, one seed cheap you can get him, you know, after the draft undraft, you get him as like your wide receiver six on a team if it's a deeper league,

especially in PPR. And you mentioned Look, Jarvis Landry the past three years with the Dolphins averaged around a hundred and fifty targets per season, and that was with him playing in the slot. Now, obviously Danny Amendelo is not gonna get that. You know, he would actually die if he got an underd and fifty one targets this year just based on his injury history. Uh, there's no way

he would be able to handle that workload. But while he's healthy, I think you know, Ryan Tannehill or whoever steps in there as the Dolphins quarterback has targeted, whoever the slot receiver is. Uh, they've already come out and said Albert Wilson will not be the team slot receiver. That he is not. That is not his role on

the team. He will play on the outside. But with him, I don't even know why they signed him because they have Kenny Stills and they have Davantae Parker, on the outside already to you know, Parker a guy that I'm somewhat buying back into. I think there's some opportunity here for him. But I think what you said about Danny Amndela, it makes sense. You get him as like your wide receiver six in a PPR league. That's fun. I think that he there are going to be some targets in

this offense. The Dolphins are team that are gonna be trailing a lot this season, and I do believe that. Okay, so so Daniem and Dilton even more so than Marshall. Lynch doesn't cost you damn thing, not nothing. And how many targets jars? What was the number he averaged? A hundred and fifty one and fifty targets that are gone do not. Parker sucks, so it's not going to him. It's not true. He does suck. Early in the season, while he was healthy, he was fantasy viable, especially in

PPR league. Great fantasy viable. Great. Yes, he was like not good. I owned him. He was no. The first what five six weeks of the season before he got hurt. It was like a top twenty four receiver in terms of like points per game. You're not buying that. Are you buying that? No, I'm sorry, you're I'm signed about I'm looking at him now. Seventy six, six or sixty nine. His first three weeks, we're like he's a rod um.

They're gonta hurt. Immediately following that, he's like, very well, he can scored in the touch didn't score one touchdown all the year. I hate DeVante Parker. Man, I'm not doing this thing again. He's gonna pick eighty four right now, one spot ahead of your boy, Robert Woods. I'm not sure to have Robert Woods. You're out on man. Give me Dannie Amndol at his price, then DeVante Parker at his price. That's for damn sure. I mean, if that's what you want to do, fine, I don't have a

problem with you saying that. I mean, if you don't want to, would you rather have Kenny Stills at his price where Devonte Parker? It is so Stills is going you're getting him later. That's like three to four rounds. You don't say Kenny Stills at his price over Davanta Parker. Vante Parker and Emmanuel Sanders are going around the same spot. Who would you rather have between DeVante Parker and Manny Mandixander's yeah, that is a good one. I just did

that today too. I'm working on my wide receiver rankings. I'm going Manny Sanders. I'll answer for you. I get it. I'm the cold guy DeVante Parker, but I think Manny Sanders like the perfect fit for Case Kingdom. I really like Manuel Sanders is here, who also cost you very very little. Yeah. I like the bounce back form. You know, people were draft him as a top thirty wide receiver. You're getting him outside of that this year for Manny Sanders.

And let's say what you want about Case Keenum. He made Adam Feeling and Stefon Diggs both fantasy viable last year, you know. And so I think Emmanuel Sanders kind of a guy who I would say he's still in his prime. Wald Marius Thomas is kind of descending there. So yeah, I'm with you. I'll tell I'll take Emmanuel Sanders over Davante Parker. But I do like Parker there too, as like a low end wide receiver. Three it's gonna be

inside of my top thirty six guy. Um, all right, moving on, John Brown, the guys with The Frenzy talks about it as well. He looks great in camp. There's a lot of names out there in Baltimore, John Brown, Michael Crowdy, Dream, Willie Snee. They've revamped their wide receiving corps for the Ravens. Joe Flacco has a as a fire under his ass right now. With Lamar Jackson as the quarterback, someone's going to emerge in Baltimore. Who's gonna be.

You're buying it that John Brown? I am not buying it. Unfortunately, you know what they said about him on The Frenzy is true. I mean, the guy still has the sickle cell trait, and it's unfortunate for him because you know, he proved that he can be uh talented wide receiver at the NFL level. I mean he had over a thousand yards, he had seven touchdowns. Uh, He's averaged over fourteen yards per reception in his career. So a guy who can get behind the defense and make the big play.

I think that's how he fits into this offense because they have some possession guys in Crabtree and Willias Need. I think Crabtree can be that red zone threat for this team as well. But I think John Brown is kind of like, we'll take a few deep shots per game, filling like that Mike Wallace role from the past couple of years, even maybe like that Tory Smith in a couple of years ago. But I can't see him getting

more than like four or five targets a game. I just think crab Tree will be the number one de facto receiver in this offense. And then they draft Hayden Hurst. Uh. They drafted another tight end there as well, Alex Collins gonna catch a few balls per games. So I just don't think there's enough to go around or John Brown. I like Crabtree personally at his price where he's going.

Rather than even taking a stab at John Brown, you get Crabtree and like the sixth sometimes even the seventh round, I do think he's gonna be the target leader on that team. I totally agree with you. I don't really love Michael Crabtree um that much, but that price, I'm okay with ye. And look see what you want about like Alex Smith last year, but people are kind of comparing Joe flacco situation this year to what happened with Alex Smith. They drafted Patrick Mahomes with the Chiefs and

that little fire under Alex Smith. Alex Smith had the best season of his career, both in real life and for fantasy purposes. So I'm not saying that Joe Flacco is like fantasy relevant, but you know, when you add a first round quarterback like that and he kind of sees the writing on the wall. I do agree with you. I think they are going to light a fire here, and I'm kind of I'm boosting the Ravens passing attack

a little bit more. I'm boosting them up more so than it was early on when I was kind of down on them. I do think that he has something to prove this season, and you know there is going to be some viable wide receivers on that team. Moving on here inside our training camp, buy or sell, I want to get to Jordan Howard and the Chicago Bars because Matt Neggie almost sprank to me, has gone out of his way to tell you that Jordan Howard is

a three down back. He could do everything. I don't see that he can't catch, I don't see that he can't pass protect. He's a guy that could be there each and every down. A lot of people this offseason have been very, very Highlands free Cohen. I've remained steadfast in my love for Jordan Howard. Are you buying your selling Jordan Howards and Three Down Back? I'm gonna sell this.

I think it's one of those things where you know, if you're Matt Maggie, what are you supposed to say, right like, You're not gonna come out and say, yeah, he has issues which drops, because the data is there. The data tells us that, you know, Jordan Howard has dropped the ballets on his first two years. He actually leads all running backs with drops during that span, so

we have data that supports that. You know, he hasn't been a great receiver if you if you remember that game last year right where they were driving down the field, he had an opportunity to score a touchdown late to put the Bears ahead, and he dropped it because you know, he doesn't turn his body back the right way. Sometimes he gets all tangled up. Yeah, he'll probably be better at it, and you know, maybe we see the receptions go up a little bit this year. Maybe he's in

the thirty to forty range. But Three Down Back, I don't know that I'm buying that maybe like on some series, he'll be in for for third downs, but I'm not buying it for uh, the entirety of the season. I don't think we see you know, forty plus receptions out of Jordan Howard. I am selling this. I do not trust him as a three down back. That doesn't mean

he's gonna be a bad option. It just means, you know, for him to perform in PPR leagues, he really has to go above and beyond in terms of the rushing yards and the rushing touchdowns. But we've seen him do that before, so that's kind of like his recipe for success there with the Bears offense, And if we liked this offense, which we all do, and we think it's going to be better, I think Jordan Howard will be fine.

Just not buying him as a as a three down run back catching balls this year, I I don't see that happening. So I understand um the hesitancy, right like I I do understand that hesitancy when it comes to Jordan Howard um being a three down back. He caught twenty nine passes his rookie year, twenty three passes in the year two. Torriko and obviously exists, but I too by the fact that Jordan Howard He's gonna be out there more than you think. Um, I think that he had.

He's still growing as a player. He's only gonna be twenty four years old. And I'm not saying he's all of a sudden become three and catching the ball. But I think his pass protection is fine. Like, I don't think it's like a negative part of his game, and too many coaches that's more important even than your ability to catch the ball. The reason that Jordan Howard dropped so many last year is because, yeah, they ultimately uh

the opportunity to do so. Like I know the target share was almost cutting half last year from fifties rookie year uh down to thirty two a year ago. But I think that he has that ability. And again I know him not a high guy, but I'm I'm very high on Jordan Howard. Where is he going right now? Frank? According to an f f C A DP, he is pick again. This is PPR. So this is like early to mid third round. Do you like that? Uh? In PPR? Yeah, I think that makes sense, but so so what it

means instead and non PPR the absolutely. Yeah. I think in standard he's gonna be likes called on PPR. Is gonna be like the two three turn Okay, yeah, And I'm okay with that because I think it's great value because I think he can. I think he can total about fourteen fift undred yards and he's gonna flirt with double digit touchdowns. That I agree with that his rookie year, he average five point two yards per carry. Last year four point one For Jordan Howard. I'm in on Jordan Howard.

I've said that before. I think he doesn't really go for all that much because I'm very interested to see um in an auction, how much Jordan Howard's going for? Why have to look that up? I think that's going to be again his price, he's one of the guys

who is price cleterally changes depending on the format. Right, So even in auction, like I don't know that we'll have a clear cut like what his auction value is because a lot of people don't just play in like half point PPR or whatever, like so many of these like high end like high stakes auction leagues are full point PPR. So it's not gonna be a great like barometer for Jordan Howard's auction value. This is this is I hate. There's certain websites I just really cannot stand.

Like you're looking at right now, Google roster resource, Greig. No, I can't stand that. Like who I just google like auction values just to see what the first thing that came up. And you know I'm gonna call him out. Sorry, f toolbox, which is now you know, Paris Scott fantasy. So I went the running backs. The first running back off the board. The highest price they say is sa

Klon Barkley, which is wrong. Number one is Dynasty. Might be looking at Dynasty, Greg, because you can probably make an argument for say Kwon Barkley to be the number one running back in the Dynasty. I don't think look at Dynasty. Can you make an argument that number going quarterbacks with Jimmy Garoppolo? No, not even in Dynasty. Okay, I'm sorry. Did you make an argument that Mike Evan should be number one wide receiver? No? Okay? So, like

I said, this is absurd. So Sagon Barkley's his average prices forty nine, and next is Todd Gurley at thirty two. So why am I looking at this? It's like not even in the same universe. Sorry, Greg's okay, but things in perspective there was just like the running back position, like Jordan Howard. Joe Mixon is going pick twenty two, which like firmly puts him in the second round, and Jordan Howard is going about seven picks later in that like early to mid third round, and all right, here

we go. I'm not sure that I understand that. So now I'm sorry, I'm still on this thing. So Jordan Howe, So this is very interesting. So Jordan Howard in Fantasy pros were the highest price player is Antonio Brown at sixty four, and then lady On Bell at sixty two. Fine, it's close enough. Gurley and Belle will go for sixty two. They believe Brown is by far the best wide receiver, so he's going for ten dollars more on then DeAndre Hopkins. Yes, sir,

how I half one PVR. Jordan Howard is the fifteenth running back off the board. It's once about ahead of Joe Mixon two over twenty two. Great price, I'm very much. I think that's fair. Who are some of the other running backs McCoy, McCoy, McKinnon just below him? Mixing it twenty one and then Alex Collins that drop the six team. Yeah, I would have Jordan Howard firmly ahead of Lesha McCoy. Yeah, even in half point ppry. Like I know, workload is

probably still gonna be a thing from mcloy. But I'm still worried for all the reasons we mentioned before, Like not worried about like a possible suspension as of right now. But with Leshaw McCoy, I mean, these things can happen fast man, just like drop off the face of the earth, and he hasn't really showed signs of that, but the Bill's offensive line got a lot worse. Teams are gonna be able to focus on him. He's still gonna catch passes,

but I just I worry about his efficiency. I worry about him breaking down age concerns with Leshaw McCoy, that is the one that I worry about. I I I'm firmly gonna have Jordan Howard head of Seaun McCoy, regardless of format. Already, before we wrap up, one more note on the Barras people are talking to Anthony Miller. I know Floria is all over this, dude, Um should more people be getting. You know, Anthony Miller. Yeah, he I

tweeted this out today, drink. Uh. He's gonna be the Amir Abdullah effect this season, because it's already happening right now. We get a video per day of Anthony Miller at training camp, just like tearing people up, a great route runner, great hands. Today he did like a fake slant inside and then had a like a fade route to the outside in the in the red zone. Just completely tore this dude up. So every day we're getting more footage of Anthony Miller. He's just gonna be a guy that

completely shoots up draft boards. Uh. Look, I don't want to end up over paying for him. I am very interested, but you know, maybe in that like wide receiver five range, if he starts going you know, inside the top forty as like a wide receiver four and they're pushing up too high, like they're still gonna be concerns here. Like they signed Allen Robinson, they signed Trey Burton. Tarko is gonna catch the ball. Like as good as Anthony Miller is,

he might be better for real life purposes. For Mitch Robinski growing as a quarterback more so than his Fantasy Values. Can he be this year's Cooper Cup. I don't know that there'll be enough opportunity for him to do that. I think that's a that's a very fair question. But Cooper Cup finished, it's had the top thirty five last year. I don't think that's gonna happen for Anthony Miller. That's gonna do it for your b F pass. We get to the lines tomorrow and some other trying training camp

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