Tight Ends to Avoid & Key Injuries with Dr. A

You're listening to the Fantasy Sports Radio Network. Fantasy Best Friends Forever m Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Yo is as love Fantasy Best Friends Forever here on the Fantasy Sports Radio Network alongside Frankie Standfall, Michael Florio, I am Greg Sausman. Today's a big day, frank large day. Indeed, very momentous occasion. Were the reason why it is so lamentous. Mike And as everybody knows about Mike, he's a pretty terrible tight and drafter and we're gonna help him out.

And that's the moment, this occasion. Yeah, that's exactly you know, we tweeted out from the Fantasy BFF account today we're gonna talk about one of Mike Flora's favorite things in the world. Those are tight end. He loves him, he loves tight loves the tight end. The thing is, yeah, Mike Flora has never been able to pick the right tight end. Never Today, we will help him. We will we will do just that, my Flora, are you. I'm good.

I'm good. Uh, I'm hoping I'm better at drafting tight ends and you guys give me credit for but I guess we'll see. Also also, twenties seven years ago today. Yeah, twenty seven years ago today, my Flora was born. I read that. Shout out mikey clapping for yourself on your birthday. That's awesome. Fun fact, twenty seven years ago today, I was like eight minutes old right now. So there you go. Great.

By the way, it's your Yankee Championship. Speaking the Yankees, it looks like they just acquired Jay have for what uh finalist and the Yankees for two s. He's like, Brandon Jury is one of the pieces. You know, the other pieces were Brandon Jury. He was everyone was hyped for him. He came, he got hurt, and then that was it. Yeah. Anyway, so okay, late us not trade

when it happens. Uh yeah, Mike, how are you? How are you in on this second to last day and the BFF sever I mean, I'm you guys are making me a little sad. I'm gonna miss you guys tremendously, but but I'm I'm excited for today. It's gonna be a really fun day. I think so too. I think so too. On the show, Today's tight End's coming up with five pm Eastern Time, live on YouTube only is the return of the BFF Power Hour with Friends. Oh, it's gonna be a great time. It started just the

three of us. We opened it up. When why did we do the last one? What was the reason that we did it? Because we were thirsty? I think it was tow Wars weekend? Is that what it was? No, I don't think so, because I didn't go. I didn't Scott was here. Yeah, because I'm pretty sure you guys were all going. It seems likely I would do a power Hour here rather than they did. It was to Wars weekend, or it was March Madness, one of the

same thing. Maybe it was. Maybe it was coming all right, Well it's been a while then, it's been since March. We'll make the return of The Power Hour with friends. Mike Florio, Frank Staffele and I and and a whole bunch of other people are gonna be here to say goodbye to Mike um in a Power Hour. He will be on the show tomorrow for the final time as a regular host. Um. It'll be good. It'll be good. So we'll trying to get this as most as normal

a show as possible tomorrow. We have a lot of good stuff plan including finding out you don't know the Jeff Floria, but finding out who you who your pixar for this year, like who your Blake Snell is for football and so on and so forth. Um, we'll go through your I know you don't have rankings done yet, but like, I want to know who your guys are

this year. So we're gonna do that tomorrow on the show. Okay, cool, Sure, I don't think I have my blakes now yet, but I do have a lot of guys that I like, Okay, so I'd like talking about them tomorrow, Okay. As well as other things, Florio flag planting episode right and and Floria fla Floria Flarewell as well flare Well whoa the Flarewell I just saw the gift. You guys used a great job. I did not use it. It was JP. I haven't been able to do that in four months.

Do you think you ever salt pepper shake again? That was in April of were really excited about and you were really I was fully in and I was duped. Couldn't have been more in um And that's why we got used on the mic. We got he's my favorite day. Here we got I want to present it to you. Start to hold on. I want to the camera first. Here we go, tell the camera made Mike Floria for his birthday, your BFFs. I've gotten Florio a salt and paper shaker shirt. That's amazing because we know how much

Mike Florio like salt me never shaker. That's amazing. Thank you, Frankie. And I got you the thumbs up right last year, so this goes well, you didn't we have them wet a sweatshirt, that's what it was, very very nice. So we got your a salt pepper shaker shirt. Thank you, guys. I very much appreciate it. You gotta still wrap the Mets even on the West coast. Mike, Oh yeah, Jake was just telling me to break up with them. That's just not physically potentially smart. It's it's smart, it's smart,

but it's not possible for me. At least, you won't be able to physically go to games and support them anymore. So that's a good thing. That's the one part of your protest. Nicola actually bought me a sign. It's says city Field, and it's the exact number of miles to where we're going to be living, and it's like three thousand, four hundred and like nineteen. So get as far as I don't think I can physically get further. All right, it's get a tight ends, gentlemen. Um, So the tight

ends I'm looking for. I was looking at my rankings of last year's top tight ends on my list, and unbelievably enough, people still really like Jordan Read last year. I know it's hard to imagine now, but Jordan Read last year was my third ranked tight end at the time they did these rankings. Number four was Jimmy Graham and number five was Greg Olsen. Obviously Read Olsen what over here? Um had some major, major injury issues and

that caused them to have really terrible years. Other tight ends inside of my top ten, Tyler Eiffer, another injury disaster, U and very Ibran whom again, why do we still do this this year, a year where there's a lot of tight ends, as I spoke about yesterday that could break out. We want to tell you what tight ends to avoid. So we tweeted out from Fantasy BFF Twitter account, as we have in each of the last two weeks, which these tight ends as the biggest bust in your choices?

Once again, Greg Olsen, Jimmy Graham, Delaney Walker, you're seeing a trend here wat to that moment. And then Evan Ingram, which I think is a really interesting one because Evan Ingram is going off the board as a top five

tight end. Of course, the tight ends ahead of Evan and Gram or Travis Kelsey, zach Ertz, Rob Gronkowski, and I'd love to know both of you guys and those that are listening and want to call in an eight four four eight four three six eight seven nine if they you think any of those three guys may bust in team. Let's start with who I would think he was the odd man out of this career, Like Olson, Graham and Walker, they're all up there in age. They've

all been around a very long time. They've all had extremely productive careers that I think they're on this list because you look at them and you're like, all right, maybe this is the year they fall off, right. I mean, that's the thought process here is maybe this is the year that it doesn't go right. Certainly last year was like that for Olsen, not so much for Graham and Walker. Graham has had his issues but scores his touchdowns. Uh Lanny Walker has kind of been the same player for

the last five years. But Evan Ingram is different. Evan Ingram had a phenomenal rookie year by all accounts, finished the top five tight end. Now back for a year two with the Giants, a year where we are used to seeing tight ends breakout, used to seeing them become mainstays in fantasy lineups and teams for years. But he made our accountdown because of a big number, and that was thirteen. As you told me before, Frank, thirteen drops

for evaning Girl last year. He's on this list because of the people around him, se Kwon, Barkley, Odo Beckon Jr. Sterling Shepherd. Evan Ingram's no. Best third maybe four on targets on this team. But I can't believe that he's not my guy to bost super talented, super young. We certainly know that Pat Shermoer likes to use his tight end as we saw last year with Kyle Rudolph and in the past. I love Evan Ingram. Probably some bias there, Frank, what makes you live it off and Evan Ingram? Yeah,

I mean it's what you mentioned about. Um, the target centers just around him. So from weeks one to five last year, he was the tight end eighteen in points per game. From weeks six through seventeen, he was tight end four in points per game. That is during that span is when he caught five of his six six touchdowns. UM. From week six to seventeen, one fifteen targets last year led the Giants. That was Evan Ingraham. Um, you know I'm key in on Week six on because Odell Beckham.

That was when Odell Beckham went out. The last game he played was Week five. Then Sterling Shepherd missed Week six, seven, eleven, twelve, seventeen. So six through seventeen is when Ingram had the opportunity to do all of his all of this damage I'm just worried about targets this year. It feels like you're paying for the ceiling for Evan Ingram once again. You're paying for him to replicate last year's stats, and I

just don't see a way that that's possible. Given Odell Beckham is going to demand his targets share on this team, Sterling Shepherd and we're forgetting sae Quon Barkley is likely to catch. I'd say, you know, forty five to fifty five receptions on this team this year, so you know that's gonna be another at least seventy to eighty targets. So I just don't think that there's enough here for Evan Ingram. Yes, you know he might have some big weeks,

but I think he's gonna be inconsistent. I feel like right now, for where he's going in that tight end five six rains right around Greg Olson, Jimmy Graham to Laney Walker. You're paying for him to replicate last year stats and I just can't see it happening. But he was listen, I know everything worked out for him Florial last year, all O'Dell and all the other wide receivers getting hurt, no running game to speak of. Certainly no pass catching running back to speak of. But Evan Ingram

is still what twenty three years old. I mean he's he's improving, like he's an improving player. I understand what Frank's saying, but I don't know that the drop off is coming. I don't either. I think that he is second on this team in targets. Remember Sailing Shepard when they when they had everyone. It was not a guy that we owned in fantasy last year. He was a guy that when everyone got hurt, I picked up off

waivers and it was a fun ride. But I looked at Evan Ingram in the four games that he played with Odell Beckham last year. During those games, he had a one with eleven targets, two with seven, and one game with four. So if you're telling me he's gonna be seeing around seven targets a game, I'm fine with that. And his per game during those four games with Odell Beckham looked like this, seven point three targets per game, three point eight receptions, thirty nine yards, and zero point

three touchdowns. If you extrapolate that four game span into a sixteen game season, you're looking at a hundred and sixteen targets, sixty reception receptions, six d and twenty four yards, and four touchdowns. That is a step down from what he did last year, but the targets are still there, and I agree with Greggy. I think he is talented and only improving as a player. So I I I do worry with Frank and initially he was. I considered Evan Ingram as my bus pick because there are a

lot of options there. But I still think it's the opportunity to be the number two target getter on this team, because yes, Saekon Bar He's gonna demand his touches, but I don't think he's gonna out target Evan Ingram on a week by week basis. I think Sterling Shepard is the one that I worry the most about if he's going to be inconsistent. There may be inconsistencies with Evan Ingram, but I think eight years end, the numbers will be there.

I think so too. I think there's inconsistencies when it comes to every tight end for the most part, like outside of let's say a Gronk or a Travis Kelsey or zach Ertz is now in that category. There's inconsistency with everybody for weeks a week, and I think if you're getting not four for thirty nine, like like Michael was saying, you obviously need more touchdowns than not. Um.

I understand why people are worried about everything Gram. I just don't think I am, and I know it sounded like everything I said poop poo to Evan Ingram For this year, yes, but you know, keeper dynasty long term. I mean, he is a problem. You watch the way he plays. He's a good route runner, has to work on the hands. You mentioned the thirteen drops he had last year, a fifty five percent cash rate that was thirty first among all tight ends. So I worry about

that as well. It might have been teams double teaming him. He he was a rookie, uh, you know, just getting his feet wet in the NFL. But you know he's he's fast for linebackers and he's bigger than the safety, so he is a mismatched problem. With that being said, I just I am worried about the targets you mentioned se Kwon Barkley. It's not just targets. They didn't have a workhorse running back last year like se Kwon Barkley is gonna touch the ball anywhere from in my opinion,

twenty twenty five times a game. So that's gonna limit kind of everything for you know, anyone not named Odell Beckham on this team. So yeah, there will be some big weeks. Maybe one week at Sterling Shepard as the third option having a big week, maybe one week. It's Evan Ingram. I'm just worried about Uh. I feel like you're paying for what he did last year and I'm not sure that he gets there. So for me, out of this group, he is one that I'm more worried

about than the others on this list. Okay, so there you go with Evan Ingram A four four, four, three, six seven nine. I want to take a call from season in Arizona. It's up, Caesar, are doing't gonna do? It's up? But my question is about uh, Derrick Henry. Why why people not high? Two? Why are people not high enough? By Florial on Derrick Henry, I think the concern of Dean Lewis obviously factored in. When before they got Dean Lewis, everyone was saying he's the top twelve guy.

But Dean Lewis performed extremely well last year. He's a great pass catcher out of the backfield, So you know, Derrick Henry is not going to be out there on passing down plays. Can he be the goal line back? Can he you know, still see the team plus carries the game. Yes, So I do think he is an RB two, but some of that luster obviously went away when they brought in another capable running back. Yeah. To answer your question season, I think in a standard Derrick Henry,

I'm going to have him as an RB two. As of right now, I have him ranked as my RB twenty, so that's kind of in the solid to low end r B two range. I do worry about Dean Lewis. I know it's a new team. We've seen running backs leave the New England Patriots and not be as productive, but they signed him to a solid contray act here and he's very versatile when he's on the field. Defenses don't know whether he's gonna run, whether he's going to

catch passes out of the backfield. Patriots used him in the red zone last year and he did work there as well. So I just think Derrick Henry is not going to get the workload that we all thought kind of when everything was breaking down here early in draft season. So people are souring on Derrick Henry. But I think in the standard league, you get him as your r B two, I think you can do worse. So you get him in that fourth round. I don't have a huge problem with it. I think he's going to be

the goal line running back for this team. He could teach score anywhere from like I'll say, like seven to nine touchdowns. I think that's like a fair projection for Derrick Henry this year. I have him in RB twenty one, So I'm right there with you. Let's go to Bob Invermont. What's going on, Bob? Hey? Are you doing Greg? Happy birthday, Mike. Thank you Bob. And how you doing well? How are you Bob? Greg? Yes, good, I'm doing good. Everybody's looking good.

I'm doing good. Greg. What about the Green Bay Packers might end? Oh, Jimmy Graham, We're gonna We're gonna get We're gonna get the Jimmy Graham a little bit later on the show, Yeah, yeah, we're not probably talking about Sandy Lewis at all. We're gonna talk about Jimy Graham. Little bit later on the show today, he's not. I think he's good. He's played with for a very long time for like twelve years or so. Lewis is a dinosaur now. Yeah, so let's talk with Jimmy Gram a

little later on the shift time. We we we could do the Jimmy could do Jimmy Graham when we get back from the break, I think it'll be a good time to touch on Jimmy Graham, um, because I think it was I think it was in berries, um hundred facts, calm, we were really good. Couple of factors. I'll look up during the break about Jimmy Graham and don't want to read to you guys, which makes me kind of in the cab that he could be the bust this year based on where he's going. So there's some stats there.

We're also gonna get to Delaney Walker obviously, and we're we're going to get to uh, Greg Olson as well because we disagree about Greg Olson down stairs before the show started. Franks and excited to have that discussion with you about that night. Thank you, guys. Cut up this music a long time ago for like jokeliners. Yeah, we've recycled it throughout all of our birthdays. We have a couple of more surprises along the way as well, So

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four three six eight seven nine. The Fancy Spots Radio Network your free fancy source twenty four hours a day us as directed Bay alrighty, my birthday indeeds You either like Floril. We did dr A from inside. Injuries on the line were always downstairs. You can skype doctor right he's gonna join us celebrate your birthday. Man, He's only coming on for you. We should go through all of

Michael for his injuries throughout his life, like, Dr that's awesome. Well, you know, Dr Three, Michael Florio had authoritis in his ankles as a young child. Um, well, I still do. What can you tell us about out his long term productivity as a fantasy football writer given his authortis and his ankles. Well, let's ask Dr A. He's listening right now. It's up. Doc. Hey, guys, how are you can you help us about Florio's lifelong arthritis problem? How old is Florio? Wow?

So he has arthritis? I haven't working here. What is that I have? Like they call it runners knees or whatever? I have that in both of my knees. Do you run? I did not enough? I did in high school. Yeah, I mean that is an actual doc diagnosis. Uh, you can have runners knees, which is a little bit of thinning of cartilage and causes a little bone marrow diema within the bony part of the knee and it causes a lot of pain. So that is true. It's an

actual diagnosis. So well, Doc, so you know this is not only is this Floria's birthday, it's also his last time I want to show with you. He's he's headed to l A tomorrow's program. Yes, I remember, I didn't know when you were actually leaving. But uh, that's great. Good luck to you, man. We don't wish really good luck. Greggy became an executive. It's just he's kicking everybody out. I wanted to say, I'm trying to do the oppositely, ki him out. Oh you're guilty, Yes, all right, cool.

I don't know if it's working though. The big story doc this week is Andrew Look not on the populist. He's already throwing Everybody loves Andrew lucky again. He's going to play the first game in the preseason. Everybody is happy and optimistic when it comes to Andrew Luck. Should we be so? Um, we should be cautiously optimistic. I don't know what that exactly does for the fantasy draft, but um, what that means is do not make him

your number one. Uh he you know somebody will pick him number one, but his injury risk is just too high. Um it's still at twenty percent. I mean it's better than it used to be. Um, it was that thirties, thirty in the high thirties. So he's down to which is really good, and he's at peak at eight percent and it's probably going to climb higher if he doesn't

have any setbacks. That's the actual keyword. He still has quite a bit of throwing and quite a bit of stuff that he has to do before game one of the season, So uh, fantasy owners need to be pretty careful on taking a risk on him being their number one. I still think that he's a number two in fantasy drafts. I mean, obviously, if he didn't have multiple setbacks with that throwing labor, you know, he'd probably be a number one right now. But just by that tent I r.

C Um should be making him a number two. That's fair, doctor. I think given the depth of the quarterback position this year, I agree with you, like if you take Andrew Luck, you have to have another quarterback in place. But I do like the upside a lot as well, So you're you're not just completely writing him off, like you can draft him, but just make sure you have like another

insurance policy in case everything goes south. Yes percent, if you do draft him on you gotta have a guy that is low injury risk and peak health that can come into his place and be a legitimate Number one if he goes down because that injury risk of I mean one, one out of five chance of him getting

injured is still way too high. Well, another quarterback who you know has plenty of injury risk heading into the season is Carson Wentz, who as of right now has avoided the physically unable to perform list for training camp. But we still don't know whether or not he's going to be ready four week one. Uh, if he miss his time, he can miss multiple games. Here. He tore

his a c L later on in the season. I believe he had his surgery on December, so looking at about like nine months will be his recovery time by the time the season starts. How are we feeling about Carson Wentz? Should we be optimistic that he didn't land on the pub? Yes? I think, um, you should be more optimistic than Andrew Luck. Actually, um, you know, when it comes to purely just from an injury perspective, you know, tearing your a c L. The technology is so good now,

surgery is really good. I mean you can really uh you know, have a great year after tearing your a c L previously. Now, could you suffer other injuries? Of course, right, But Carson Wentz based on his player nucleus and kind of all his injury database in our algorithm, he's at six elevated injury risk right now. But by the time the season starts, if he doesn't have any setbacks based on the previous sort of combination of the types of injuries he has had, he likely will be very close

to low injury risk and peak health. So he actually has a better outlook from from our standpoint than Andrew Luck. That that kind of pushes him into our recommendation from an injury standpoint to be as a number one as opposed to Angrew Luck, who would be a number two. Josh Dackson is a full go for the start of training camp, and we know he's battled injuries throughout his entire career. But with this leg injury, would you be advising owners to stay away or is it fair for

them to take a shot on him later in dress? So, uh, let me give you the metrics he's running out right now at which is elevated UM high injury risk is above, so he's not quite anywhere near low injury risk below averages.

So even if he gets to closer to low injury risk, um our algorithms are saying that the previous injuries that he has suffered will still be significantly impactful on his play on the field because he's a He has a forty eight percent HPF where peak is at eighty something percent, So it's half of what peak should be at this

time of year. So you know, I would say that he isn't avoid um and if you do, if you're going to pick him up, he must be picked up in much later rounds then you know, obviously the first you know, seven or eight rounds at least. Hey, by the way, when you guys talking about Carson wentz, uh, he should have training camp today. He's not on the pub or yesterday. He's not on the pup list. And he was asked about rehabbing and he just got married.

He asked about rehabbing on his honeymoon. He gave a long pause and said he got some workouts in and after he burst of laughter, he said, in the fitness center, Carson Wentz, you're lady, ladies and gentlemen, tell dr A from inside Injuries and Doc. I'm someone that's very high on cream Hunt and I love Kareem Hunt this year and I expect big things from him. But nobody's really talking about the fact that Spencer wears back and he heard himself um in the preseason last year, very very

early on. Is he health? You're ready to go? What your What kind of year can we expect from Spencer Ware? Yeah? So Spencer Ware is an interesting sort of case. Um, but you know, right now he's at peak health. He's at eight six percent climbing, so he could potentially get into So that's good news that whatever his injury was,

it's not predicted to be impactful on his play. However, the UM in the the injury risk right now is at fifteen percent, which is elevated, so as the season starts to get closer and closer that things should start to creep down to eleven percent, which is the low threshold. So I think the likelihood if he doesn't have any other setbacks in training, camp, etcetera. From an injury perspective, he should be at low injury risk and peak health.

So he's a really if people are not going to take him as their number one, I think that he would be a really really good insurance policy for somebody as a running back. All right, so an insurance policy both for Cream Haunt and for your fantasy teams. You know, we're talking to Dr a and and I obviously know your your specialty isn't exactly psychology in anyway, But I'm trying to figure out what's going on with Josh Gordon,

and I don't know what you know about it. I know you're certainly tell us his the injury expectation whatnot. But from the mental aspect of the game, it seemed like he was healthy, he was clean, he was sober. And then just the day before Brown's camp opens, he doesn't show up and the team makes an announcement, the NFL makes an announcement, He makes an announcement saying he needs to get himself right. Um, he needs to be okay, so he could be their week one. Nobody seems to

have any idea if he'll be there week one. Nobody seems to have any idea what's going on. I thought maybe you you'd have some insight on what's going on with Josh Gordon, so you know, mental health issues in in in general effect almost fifty of the human population. You know, whether it's smile to severe, it's someone needs to flip of a coin that someone sometime in their life is going to have some an issue with mental

health because it's just like any other biological problem. You know, people who have diabetes can't produce insulin and because they have a problem with their pancreas. People that go through anxiety, true anxiety, have an issue with one of their centers in their brain and it's an organ and so that's it's gonna happen. And that's the problem here is that

you know, it's a very difficult thing to treat. Sometimes, it takes it takes a while, there's a lot of peaks and valleys, and um, it affects anybody, including an NFL pro athlete. It's it's an equal opportunity type of problem, you know, so unfortunately can significantly impact you know, our brain is the center of everything. So it doesn't matter if you're clearly in shape and he's got you know,

HPF which is pretty high. Um, there is uh nothing that they can do until he gets his mind right, and the only way to do that is through counseling. You know. Uh, psychiatric help as well as medications and get to a right balance so that way he can actually utilize you know, the physicality in the you know, in his peak, you know sort of system. So I'm

hoping that makes sense. A three, I wanted to ask you about Julian Edelman, who I don't know if people realize it is now thirty two years old, and he tore his A c L very early in camp last year. I is gonna be dealing with the four game suspension to start the season, so that's pushing him down draft boards for fantasy football purposes. But you know, a guy who depends so much on his lateral quickness coming back from the torn a c L. He's thirty two years old.

Should we worry about him a little bit more because he's, you know, pass that thirty year old mark. Or are we still all systems go with Julian Edelman because of the science and the research that we have with the torn a cels. Yeah, I mean I think, um, anytime you it's not just even passing thirty years of age, it's also the number of games, play, a number of hits, you know, just the constant contact. It's just very very much you know, as you get older, you know the

injury risk will go higher. It's just how much higher it will be. And so that's what kind of our algorithm shows is that he's at eighteen percent. He's not going to get any lower than that. Again, he's at peak health right recovering from an A c L. That's very good. So the injury won't impact his ability, you know, to play on the field. It will be sort of he's at peak health. Again, the question is is Kenny stay on the field. And right now our algorithm is

saying is that he's likelihood. You know, when you had elevated injury risk at eighteen percent, take and it's a very simple calculation. They're sixteen games in a season. If he's at twent take a fifth of the games out through the injury basically, so he's close to that. He'll miss at least four to five games of equivalent time.

And that's what our algorithm is is basically saying, I wanted to ask you about a player who really hasn't done anything at the NFL level, but it seems on his team the dark horse candidate always emerges, as you know, a running back to own as a season goes on. That player is Kenneth Dixon of the Baltimore Ravens. He's saying he feels good. He avoided the active pu P list, So is he back at a prime health and should is it something that Alex Collins owners should worry about

Kenneth Dixon maybe stealing some touches. So I was about to say all this stuff about Kenneth Dixon, but then there was an early report today on some local UM Baltimore channels and that he limped off the field, off the practice field today with an unknown injury. I don't know if you guys got that information. Literally, it literally just happened. And so the question is is it on the original knee or not. So if we pretend that we we you know, if we pretend that we didn't

hear that, yes, I agree with you. It's plenty of time to heal low injury risk peak health he's at and he's at seven peak health. It's gonna be a lot higher once the season starts. However, we need to now dive into this um you know, potential limping off the practice field and see if there's actually any truth to that. So I think the only thing to say is let's wait and see for what it's worth. I'm seeing a reporter say it's a tweeked hamstring. Okay, yeah,

so obviously that changes a little bit. Tweeked hamstring is probably at least a soft tissue hamstring injury for a running back, it could be as high as a Grade one. We would have to plug that into our alt of them and see what injury severity comes out to, and then we'd be able to rerun his metrics. So whatever I just said about kennetics and don't listen to until we actually rerun these metrics. So there are a chance, Doc, that you know, you talk about when these players are

coming back from injury, that they're you know, compensating. I mean, it's very early in camp, but shouldn't we be worried that it's just the first day. Maybe there's some compensation involved here. He's you know, he's trying to use one leg more than the other, and maybe that's what led to this hamstring injury. Because you know, I'm very heavily invested in Alex Collins, so to me, less competition around him the better. Is that something that you know, could

continue to freep up with Kenneth Dickton. So you're the number one cause of an injury. Uh, coming off of another injury is the fact that there is a psychological mental component of compensation um you know, with that torn meniscus, you know, maybe he's thinking that he doesn't you know, he wants to kind of gingerly kind of put that together, puts additional pressure on the hamstring on the other lag or this lag, and then it causes a little bit of a tweak. Sometimes has nothing to do with it,

but there is a component of that. So yes, there is a little bit of compensation um um here. But you know, if it's a soft tissue hamstring, it's not even a grade one. You know, that thing is in a few days, it will be good to go. And uh, maybe it's just something that he has to get over the hump and it may not affect his metric and his numbers that much. So let's just we'll have to wait and see based on when we pull all of our information and plug it in to see what kind

of know what it does to his metrics. Dr A Inside Injuries, We appreciate the time. As always, We'll talk to you next week. Frank and I I'll probably never talk to Floria again. So well, Floria, good luck to you. It was a pleasure working with you. And whatever you do in the future, good luck to you. Thank you,

insane to you. Alright, very app there you go, and there you gotta talk to a inside injuries the absolute best and trying to predict injuries and trying to let you know, listen, you don't want to draft these guys because they're always hurt. So make sure you always will listen to the guys and the crew, especially Virginia and Tracy and Inside Injuries. Yeah, and you know, download the app and I've I've turned my notifications on for their tweets.

Whenever Inside Injury they tweet out stuff, they're right on the ball. I mean they were tweeting about the Kennetics and injury earlier on as well, so that's how I knew about it. So whenever they tweet out about an injury, I'm getting the the instant update if you turn on those notifications on Twitter, something that I would recommend. All Right, we about two minutes before but we hit the break,

which means I want to give Mike another present. Alright, I'd like to give them the one that matches that a. How what did you guys? We got you guys. Else, Mike, I wanna I'm gonna throw it to camera first. You're gonna be by the beach, you said, the beach, So you need your brand new New York Mets beach towel to lay on it to be with you at all times. You could rent your New York Mets in your salt and pepper shirt while you're laying out on your New

York Mets beach towel. Thank you, guys. One of the first pictures you better send back to the BFF group chat should be you were laying with that on the beach. So if you you want to put it on now as a as a cape, that would work for us. Oh yeah yeah, we're even like a scarf would work as well. So we'll I'm opening it. We'll just wait for you to do that. It's it's with radio. So if you're gonna describe what you're doing, all right, Well

I had to open it. Yeah, I'm gonna use it like a scar here that looks that's you look rate. So there you go. There's my Floria and his brand new Met scar. You wanna put on your ear salt pepper shirt during the break too. Maybe sure, it's gonna be great. Yeah, I think you should have put the salt pepper shirt off during the break. Um. I wanted to get you a salt and pepper shaker, but Frank overruled me and bout you the shirt instead. All right,

just being honest there, I would have appreciated either one. Right, that's fine. This well, we're gonna we're gonna take a break. When we come back. Three more tenants to get you rapid fire. We're gonna get them all in. We're gonna pick the biggest bus and we're gonna break it down. We're celebrating Mike Flora's birthday. Fantasy Sports Radio Network Fantasy BFFs Power are coming your way at five. We're gonna give you sixty players in sixty minutes while drinking. It's

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a fantasy sports radio network app. Stop being a weirdo and streaming it online. Get it on your phone, take it with you every where you go. Happy birthday to him, Happy birthday to you. Have three more tight ends left, and I want to make sure we get to them all before we do. I have another uh birthday. You get to make Florid like I don't want to the end. I want to say that one Dan, I have another one, alright, but I have another one I'd like to give you

all you ready, Mike, Guys went way too above. All right, so far we've gotten you the scarf that you're wearing, it is really a towel, and the salt and pepper shirt. But as I said, it doesn't make sense to have a salt pepper shirt without the pepper shaker. Alrighty, there you go, Greggy. Greggy is preshenting Michael Florida legit pepper shaker. Mike, you just get pepper everyone to us, give usper can you do nothing on the floor because we have to clean it up. Where am I supposed to do it? Then?

On the table would be heardable? Yeah, get into the shake. Yeah, let's go. Is actually there you go? Salt pepper shaker, Mike, Is there anything coming out? No, I try to have a broken one. There you go. I smell with though, just like like orange and blue supplies in there, so you can do the salt and pepper shaker. There's just mets particles pours. There you go, Mike, all right, I said, Um, before the pull up Barry's article on Jimmy Graham, I

will do that before I do. You noted to me Frank downstairs at Jimmy Graham and Evan Silva, who we have reached out to come on the show. Um, Evan Silva's rankings, he's Jimmy Graham is number four, tight end on the year. I know my eyes open were a little open on that. What about you? It's very interesting. I haven't I haven't ranked the top twelve, like I have an idea of where I want guys to be. But there's a chance that I'm gonna have Jimmy Graham

four as well. And I understand he physically looked like he broke down last year. But if you're just looking at opportunity this season, I feel like he has a chance to fill in the shoes of Doherty Nelson. You know, last year, Jimmy Jimmy Graham six red zone targets that led all of football. The year before that was with Aaron Rodgers at the helm as the quarterback. Geordy Nelson had thirty two red zone targets. That was the most that season. The next closest was Kylo Rolf with twenty

five red zone targets. So I think that there's a chance that Jimmy Graham's gonna step in. He's not gonna get thirty two red zone targets. I'm not gonna project that Davantae Adams is there. I think there's a chance that Jimmy Graham could take some of those touchdowns away from Adams. But I think that the opportunity is there. Like everyone expects Randall cob to be the number two options in the passing game here, like, why not Jimmy Graham.

I know that Rogers hasn't typically used the tight end throughout his career, but you know, he lost Jordy Nelson. He hasn't necessarily had a tight end to the same caliber as Jimmy Graham. Jimmy Graham's not his old self. But I'm just looking at opportunity here and I'm getting excited. And in PPR he's bummed down a little bit, but standard half point, I think there's gonna be touchdowns here.

I wouldn't be surprised. I think seven eight touchdowns is a fair projection for Jimmy Graham this here, and he and he feed does that he's gonna end up being close to a top five tight end in my opinion. Here's the stats that that I add for you. Florio. Do you know the last time that Aaron Rodgers finished with a top or package I should say, finished with a top ten Fantasy ten end. I think I do because I looked at every single tight end since all

the week back to two twelve with the Packers. I'm going to guess it was your Michael Finley, and I'm saying who it was, I'm going twelve. I'd imagine what year was twelve, What year was twelve? Last year they had a top ten ten end your side. That's my guest. I think Richard Rodgers was somewhere in there. It was twenty eleven. Last time I had a top ten tight

endy it was last year. Again. This non scille from Matthew Berry's hundred hundred fact column TMR over ESPN dot com um last year, how many of Aaron Rodgers had thirty two red zens targets? Obviously only thirty two because only played a few games. Out of those thirty two red zone targets, how many do you think went to tight ends? Remember that Steen Broughten, Jared cooked to or he's the guy four, I'll say six between five it's five. Only five out of thirty two targets by our Rodgers

went to a tight end at all. I know that Jimmy Graham and now the Graham numbers, which you know are kind of the opposite of this, as you can kind of see how you play with numbers. So Jimmy Graham has had the most red zone targets in the NFL over the last two years. You have to think something's gonna give, either positively or negatively. I don't know which one that is. Yeah, So for me, I have a lot of info on Jimmy Graham that to me says that I think he's going to be the bust

of this bunch. Like you said Greggy two thousand eleven. For top tight end uh in two thousand twelve, I thought it was Finly he had eighty seven targets, sixty one catches, six hundred and sixty seven yards, and two touchdowns. The next best tight end season since two thousand twelve was in with Richard Rodgers when he had eight five targets, fifty eight catches, five hundred and ten yards, and eight touchdowns.

So maybe Jimmy Graham could do that this year. But like you said, Jim, Jimmy Graham led the NFL in red zone targets last year. Well, Davantae Adams led all wide receivers. He had thirty seven point one percent of the Packers red zone targets last year. He also he had six targets in the end zone. And you look at Jimmy Graham. His ten touchdowns, all of them came from inside the red zone, and eight of them came from inside the ten yard line. And then I looked

even further. So last year Jimmy Graham ten touchdowns, fifty seven receptions, five hundred and twenty yards. Since the post merger in nineteen seventy, there's been two hundred and eighty four seasons where a player has scored ten or more touchdowns. Four times that happened. His fifty seven receptions amongst those two eighty four players ranks two hundred and seven, and his five hundred and twenty yards ranks two hundred and eighty first out of two hundred and eighty four. So

clearly extremely extremely extremely touchdown dependent. The fact that, yeah, I do think he will obviously post the best numbers they tight end on the packers has sense, uh Jamichael Finley, but if those touchdowns come down and he's more in like the six or seven range instead of the ten plus range, I think that's obviously gonna hurt him. I

haven't ranked right now at six. I've debated him and Evan Ingram going back and forth at five and six, but I do think there's a better chance Jimmy Graham bus than Evan Ingram, so he is my pick of these four. I will say this greg the year that Jordy Nelson at the thirty two red zone targets, Davantae Adams was third in the NFL that year with twenty three red zone targets. Shorty Nelson scored eleven touchdowns from

inside the red zone. Davante Adams had nine. So there is room for both of these guys to get touchdowns and get them inside of the red zone, to have a lot of targets. Randall Cobb not typically a guy who demands a lot of targets inside the red zone either.

So if I'm looking at this sixteen, it seems like a nice, uh template for what can happen with Jimmy Graham this year, whether it's whether it's Davante Adams with the thirty two or you know, close to thirty leading the team and Jimmy Graham with you know, the low to mid twenties. Like, there is a template here for two packers to score twenty touchdowns inside the red zone, because we've seen it done already in I'm looking at last year's numbers for tight ends, whether it was a

down year or whatever. Evan Ingram, who had seven hundred and twenty two yards and six touchdowns, finishes the tight end four in points per game. I could see Jimmy Graham having seven hundred yards and seven or eight touchdowns and to me, that's gonna be good enough to be a top five tight end. I'm concerned that Graham. Last year we saw that Graham was literally nothing but a red zone target. I mean, that was it the ready to Aaron Rodgers, it's an upgrade, but Aaron Rodgers a

lot more pieces in that red zone. Adams being certainly the one with put a red circle around then Russell Wilson did, like Danta Adams a better resident target than Doug Baldwin is. And I think that if a Rodgers doesn't rely on Jimmy Graham like Russell Wilson did, Jimmy Grahams is just gonna kind of drop out the phase

of the earth a little bit. Certainly a chance that can happen, Like there is volatility with this pick, and I will not deny that, but I think you know what you're getting when it comes to a tight end position. If you don't grab one of the big three, you're probably trying to find the guy who's most likely to score a touchdown week in and week out. Gimmy grahams that guy. I'll say this as well, Like so Frank, you laid out the stats from seen perfectly. But my

only issue with that is that was Aaron Rodgers. He threw forty touchdowns that year. That was the second highest in his career. So if we don't see that number, maybe that takes a hit a bit. And I owned Jimmy Graham last year and I can tell you the weeks he didn't score a touchdown. It was atrocious. Like I'm talking like two points on the week so to me,

and that's in a half point PPR. I maybe he is safer than I'm saying giving him credit for, but I think he has the lead some amount of upside of I think Evan Ingram or Greg Olsen bull have higher upside than Jimmy Graham and Blaney Walker the other time. And we're gonna talk about costs significantly less. So that's the reason I landed on Jimmy Graham is my bust, Frank. The other person we really debated hard downstairs ish hardish was Greg Olsen. Because greg Olsen, you had said he's

quote on my do not draft list. You of course backtrack immediately. But when I remember North Turner was the offensive quarter, you should listen. He's not He's on my do not draft list. He was hurt all yet last year. They have Christian McCaffrey who's a year older and was amazing last year, and now they want to get him a billion touches a week to thirty according to run. Yeah, as it's a billion, you have Devin Funch is coming into his own. They drafted DJ Moore in the first round.

So there's all these weapons. Greg Olds is gonna fall by the wayside. And I was really in the opposite camp that, hey, if he stays healthy, he's still Cam's guy, whether it's the red zone or not. I mean, he's still as good as ever. And yes, Christian McCaffrey is certainly there, but it's a team that's never utilized two wide receivers as much as they can be utilized. And I was still banking on Greg Olsen. So we disagreed here. Yeah,

and I am worried about Greg Olsen. It's kind of similar to Evan Ingram and even a little bit with Travis Kelsey as well, Like I'm worried about target distribution for some of these guys because Greg Olsen, I mean, five straight years over a hundred targets, over a thousand yards, three seasons in a row. Last year was abysmal. He was hurt for most of the year. The production wasn't there. He was tied for twenty seven and points per game whatever Steen tight and four tight and six. Yes he

was great, but that was with high volume. I mean, lead this team in targets on twenty seven Calvin Benjamin one eight team Ted Gin led this team in targets a hundred and twenty three Ted gain nineties six seven funches sixty four something is not going to add up here by end of year. Whether you know Christian mc half he is going to see a big decrease in targets, or you know, maybe it's d J. Moore coming in as a rookie and you know, maybe not doing much.

Maybe that's what it comes down to. But you know, if you expect Devin Functs to still be the number one wide receiver, maybe not number one target on the outside, who's going to demand attention in the red zone? Demand targets. Christian McCaffrey nearly a hundred and twenty targets last year, led all of rookies. I'm just worried. I'm worried about

workload here. How many opportunities is he gonna get He's another year older, a guy who was contemplating retirement in the off season had an offer to go into a broadcasting career. The one thing that I do like is that north Turner takes over as the offensive coordinator here, and we've seen him do wonders with tight ends a couple of years ago when Kyle Roudoff finished as tight end two. That was with north Turner as d o C. All those years within Antonio Gates getting things done with

the San Diego Chargers, the then San Diego Chargers. That was with north Turner as the head coach, So he clearly gets the tight end involved. I'm just worried about one year older for Greg Olson. All these targets coming in, Uh, these are the best weapons that Cam Newton has ever had in his career. Like before he had to zone in on Greg olsens. So I'm just worried with that, worried about age. I think I've talked myself again into

him being on my do not draft list. I'm not gonna let just north Turner being there be the reason why I get in. I'm not gonna own any shares of Greg ols from the season. So the new weapon they have now is a rookie water receiver. But last year they had Punches, they had me Caffrey. They had

basically the same offense minus d J. Moore. When greg Olson returned the final three games of the season last year, Greggy twelve targets, six targets, nine targets, and then the playoffs when it mattered most, he went twelve targets, eight catches, a hundred and seven yards and a touchdown. Cam Newton loves this guy even last year would have banged up foot, not playing at a hundred percent. Once he got back on the field, they threw him the ball, and they

threw him the ball plenty. He didn't perform well in those three final games that I just referenced. In fact, in the regular season last year he had one game with over thirty yards and that was one. We had twelve catches for twelve targets I'm sorry, nine catches a hundred six yards in the TV. But then in the playoffs can't win a matter most Cam was going back to him here. In those final four games, including the playoffs, three or four of them he had over nine targets,

and the one he didn't he had six. I don't think a rookie wall receiver is gonna change that. I think that they will find ways to get see him. Ce and Greg Olsen. The ball I have greg Olsen ranked is my number four tight end, and I while I'm not actively targeting him by any stretch because I keep waiting and just taking Burton and Rudolph, Um, I would draft him over every Ingram. I would draft him over Jimmy Graham. And I'm not too worried about it,

all right, So there you go. I'm with you. When it comes to Greg Olson, I also want him ahead Jimmy Graham. I also feel comfortable with him. And now we get to the final one, and that's the Lady Walker. De Lady Walker, long time Titans tight end, long time success story. Um, but this is the one that feels

to me like this you could just break down. And that's why, like in my in Scotts fishbol for instance, another best Ball draft, I think Johnny Smith got no one's taking, and he should because I think Delaney Walker, like one of these days at his age, the amount of wear and tear, he's gonna break down. And if if you're buying in the red zone in Green Bay and you like me Floria buying to Greg Olsen having

renaissance and staying healthy this year. Then to me, Delanney Walker is the one that's just not going to ultimately had the year we used to him having Mikey. I mean, he hasn't played in less than fifteen games since two thousands. That's a long time it is. But to me, that

kind of says he's very durable. But to me, I can't have him as a bus because, yes, what he did in fifteen, that was an anomaly when he had the ninety four catches one thousand eight yards and six touchdowns, but three of the other four years over eight hundred yards. Every single season he's gonna give you between like four to six touchdowns in that range. I know we only had the three last year, but every other year for the last four or five it's been four between four

and seven. So I also and I know people are gonna hype up Corey Davis. Corey Davis returned last year on November five. From that point forward, Delaney Walker saw at least five targets in every single game. His per game stats during that stretch, we're six point nine targets per game, four point seven catches, fifty three point seven yards, and a third of a touchdown. His sixteen game pace.

If you take away on the time where Corey Davis was out, there is a hundred and ten targets, seventy five catches, eight hundred and fifty nine yards, and five touchdowns. Delaney Walker just does what Delaney Walker does. It's not gonna be like super fun or exciting or pretty, but at the end of the year, I think you can bank on around seventy catches, uh eight hundred yards, four or five touchdowns, and he'll be a top tight end tight end one. I can't have him as a bus

He also costs you the least of these four. You know what's craziest of this group, he's the safest in my opinion, I hear what you're saying, Greg, I think you own John HU Smith and like a keeper dynasty something like that, you get excited about it. And even if you take de Landy Walker in a Best Ball draft, one of these deeper ones, maybe take John H. Smith is like your tight end three, just as like a

backup in case this does happen. Because Delaney Walker is older, but you know, extremely say four years in a row eight hundred or more receiving yards. Last year lad the Tennessee Titans in red zone targets with twelve was number one among tight ends in end zone targets share. Fifty percent of the end zone targets for the Tennessee Titans last year was Delandy Walker and he only had three touchdowns,

So positive touchdown regression I think is coming. I think as safe a bet for seven hundred and fifty yards because maybe he regresses a little bit. He's had eight hundred, but seven hundred and fifty yards five six touchdowns extremely safe. In my opinion, Delandy Walker is the unsung hero of this group, Greggy, if I had to pick my busts, the guy that I'm scared of the most, it's Evan Ingram,

and then it's Greg Olsen. Out of this group, the four that we spoke about today, Mike, it's Jimmy Graham. For me, it's gonna Jimmy Graham as well. All right, well, we're all over the place. For me, it's Jimmy Graham as well. I think ultimately we can see Jared Cook, like Jimmy Graham might have a good game here and then there, he's gonna fall apart. The final gift, Mike Florio. He's headed to l A. It's where the King's from, Lebron. Thank you, guys for Mike Florio. Enjoy it all Florio.

If a more gifts tomorrow and what should be the farewell Florio show. Almost to be back for the Power Hour coming up at five pm Eastern and you're not gonna want to miss that for my Florida, Frank Staffell. We'll do it all again tomorrow, we hope,