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about creating, including some breaking news. Yeah, we have three new head coaching hires or a official and let's start with the latest wonder Frankie, and that is that the Cleveland Browns kind of did the sensible thing here and promoted Freddie Kitchens from offensive coordinator to head coach. It's interesting because Greg Williams is obviously the head coach second half of the year, but there's Freddie Kitchens that got lauded by everyone with the job he did. Kitchens was

not allowed to interview anywhere else. He was unther contract Cleveland Browns, and the interviewed them, loved what they heard and promoted him to the head coach. And one of the first things I texted you today was my hope for the Jets was that they were they were, the Browns would hire someone else and then the Jets pounce

on Freddie Kitchens. That's obviously not going to happen. But I have absolutely no problem with this higher just based on the way he took over the offense once Hugh Jackson was gone and once Hodd Haley was gone, and what he did with Baker Mayfield and got the most out of Nick Chubb. And there was a lot of talk about once he took over the way the offensive line protected Baker Mayfield. I mean, there's a lot to

be said for that. I know that once he took over, Baker Mayfield was was one of the fewest touched quarterbacks in terms of like QB hits and QB hurries. Once Freddie Kitchens took over, so he obviously knows what he's doing in terms of protection scheme. Uh again, Nick Chubb, what he was able to do. It really was kind of like a run first offense with Chubb. But even so, Baker Mayfield was awesome. You look at the metrics. I mean, he just broke the rookie record in terms of passing touchdowns.

We know how good Baker was coming out of college, the most accurate college pastor of all time, and that you know, huge and Todd Haley weren't getting that out of him. So just to go from see that kind of advance in his statistical output game to game, from huge accidents hot Haley to Freddy Kitchens. I love the job that he did. I don't have a problem with the higher at all. And with that we have more

breaking news, Frank. Another head coach has been hired, this time in Denver, where Vic Fangio has been announced as the head coach. Longtime league defensive coordinator. I think the dude's pretty old. It's like sixty years old. Fangio has never got an opportunity to be a head coach anywhere. He was the defensive coordinator with the Chicago Bears, obviously had a fantastic job this year, the nice job under

John Foxes. Well before that, he was the defensive the coordinator in San Francisco and Jim Harball and they're awesome defenses with Patrick Willis and whatnot. It's gonna a matter certainly a lot who the offensive coordinator will be in Denver. But Vic Fangio the brand new head coach for the Denver Broncos. Yeah, the Broncos kind of zigging when everyone else is zagging right now, you mentioned it. Vic Fangio is sixty years old, So he's not the Cliff Kingsbury.

He's not your thirty nine year old head coach that's coming in here and he's gonna teach his spread offensive concepts. It's actually the exact opposite. But we also have the job that his defense with the Bears did this year. You mentioned he's never really had an opportunity to be a head coach. You defensive coordinator with the forty Niners, as you mentioned, from defensive coordinator with Stanford. Before that,

he spent some time with the Baltimore Ravens. This guy has been around football for a long time, dating back to New Orleans Saints back in he was a linebackers coach. So again, this will this is kind of this. This will be a good test to see, like what works out? Is it more of do you want that leader of men type guy and surround yourself with with a good O C and see what happens here. This will be a good test because everyone else is trying to find

that next Sean McVeigh, right. You know, Matt with Flora ends up with the Packers, um Cliff Kingsbury. As we mentioned, it'll be interesting to see who he brings in as the OC. I don't really mind because Denver, you know, the past couple of years, has prided themselves on defense. If you still have some defensive pieces, I don't think it's a terrible move. I think he's deserving. But yeah, it's gonna be big to find out who they hire at the OC. You talked about Ziggy win zagging here

with Vic Fangio. I mean, he's certainly not young, and he's not on the offensive side of the ball. He's been a defensive coach. Defense is assistant in the NFL consistently really since nineteen six. He was a linebackers coach for the Saints. Back then. He was the defensive coordinator in the first three years of the Carolina Panthers organization

under Don Cabers. Went from there over to the Indianapolis Colts, then went to the Houston Texas defensive coordinator once again with Don Cabers, was a defensive assistant with the Ravens, was a linebackers coach with the Ravens, defensive coordinator in Stanford, defensive coordinator with the Niners, and then the defensive coordinator with the San Francisco for Niner has been around a long time, appens, he said, sixty years old. Is Vic Fangio the brand new head coach of the Denver Broncos.

I Right, like the strong linebackers there, Bradley Chubb von Miller, you want to coach them up. You want to be a defensive team. The offensive coordinator doesn't matter in a major way for the players that we care about, right, Frankie. For the Philip Lindsays of the world, the Roy Spremens of the world, the Courtland Suttons of the world, and whoever the quarterback is out there for the Devern Barbaraco's

um interesting higher there by John Elway. You wonder if Gary Kubia could be the offensive coordinator there and then you're the most boring team ever and that would just defy everything else that's happening in the NFL going with Gary Kubiak probably just run the ball thirty times a game?

Is there anything based on where he's been before? Just looking at it like people he's worked under, Like who is who would he be tied to in terms of like an offensive quarter Like is Kubiak actually one of them? Or can you see one of these other kind of often offensive minded head coaches who just got fired land here is an o C maybe like an Adam Gaze or something like So Adam Gaze has very bad blood with John Elway from not getting the job previously. So

that so that's not happening. Um, they didn't work together in Chicago Geese uh and Fangio, but so it's possible. The name that just comes to mind is Dwell Luggin's was the opposite coinator in Chicago with Fangio. He's been off as the coordinator all all around the block. He was there with John Fox, Yes, and Fangio was while the Fangio was defensive coordinator, so they do have some experience working together. So that's like one name that immediately

comes to mind. I mentioned Gary Kubiak um because of always love for Kubiak. Obviously he was his backup. He was the head coach in Denver on the Super Bowl there. Um, so that's somebody I'm sure that that if he's helped his right that lay would want to happen. Um, those

are probably the names that come to my most. Um. Yeah, I guess that kind of does it like like Peth Hamilton's they worked together at one point, so um, yeah, that's that's probably what comes to mind there in Denver, Frank Denver those one way with the older sixty year old Fangio. I'm not saying that's bad, it's just different than for everyone else is doing. Dude's deserving. He's been around forever and he's done a really nice job. In his last do you Stops Arizona, they went the complete

other way. They promoted were signed should say Cliff Kingsbury, who frankically give you all the stats in just a few moments with what he did at Texas Tech. But Kingsbury is the model for Sean is Jean mcphay is the model of Kingsbury, Right, So it's all the same. He's a young, good looking dude that has had a lot of success on the offensive side of the ball as a head coach. Not so much, Frank and said,

we'll give the stats in a second. He's been lauded for developing Patrick Mahomes, He's been lauded for having Baker Mayfield on his team. He's been lauded for his ideas. He was a former offensive coordinator at UFC USC Rather, we spoke about the morals of that yesterday, but we didn't get into, Frank is, what kind of success we expect Kingsbury to have in Arizona and how will shape

the offense. We're all about finding out what the offensive coordinator is and jumping on his tendencies rather than just assuming it will be all of the same. What do you know about Cliff Kingsbury and what do you expect in Arizona. So Cliff Kingsbury was the the up and comer, the hot young candidate, you know, only thirty nine years old, spent some time in the NFL as like a third

string quarterback. I played with the Patriots. He was drafted by the Patriots originally in two thousand three with Bill Belichick. Played for the Saints the Jets. He was only in the league for about three years. Went out to Houston, was an offensive quality control coach there. He was a co offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach. He was there. He worked with case Keenum when case Keenum played in college, and case Keenum was an awesome college player. So this he

does have history coaching up quarterbacks. You've seen some of the names that his other names he's worked with. He was at Texas A and M as the offensive coordinator there, worked with Johnny Manzel. Went out to Texas Tech where he was the head coach from and a lot of people point to his record while he's at Texas Tech thirty five and forty. Now is that completely relevant. I don't want to old that against him. I think there are other things that you can hold against Cliff Kingsbury,

which I'm going to get into. But he did he did, you know, bring in Baker Mayfield. He was also the guy who let Baker Mayfield go. He you know, he ended up benching Baker Mayfield for David's Webb while he was at Texas Tech, and then he also had Patrick Mahomes. But having Patrick Mahomes and seeing what we just saw in the NFL this year, a quarterback who in his second year through for five thousand yards and fifty touchdowns is a blessing and a curse because if you had

Patrick Mahomes, why weren't your teams better? Why weren't his numbers better? Why wasn't he more successed? Why wasn't he higher than the tenth overall pick in the NFL draft? And I know there's some trepidation with teams drafting quarterbacks out of the Big twelve, so on and so forth, with the spread offenses. But Patrick Mahomes his final season at Texas Tech or do you want touchdowns? Ten interceptions? A great season, but it wasn't good enough for him

to get drafted higher than ten. Why couldn't he get more out of Patrick Momes? Why why couldn't he get a nun at of ten? Mad? No, it's not bad, No it is, But why wasn't he one of these guys that was considered like a consensus, like Toua or Trevor Lawrence or something like that. So it's both a blessing and a curse, the fact that he had Patrick Mahomes and didn't get enough out of him. I'll give

credit where it's due. I was listening to the Pick six podcast on my way in today from the CBS Sports podcast network, and they were talking about in Patrick mahomes Is final game as a member of Texas Tech, he lost six six under Cliff Kingsbury. There was a reason why Cliff Kingsbury was fired at Texas second he went on to USC where he was the offensive coordinator.

We spoke about this a little bit yesterday about you know, what happened between the time when he was named o C and like November, December whatever it was till now where he left them, and a lot of people are talking about that today, and you know how it's ethically wrong. We spoke about it. Whatever, that's fine. I don't have a problem with him leaving that job to become a

head coach at the NFL level. The problem is, why couldn't he get more out of Pat Mahomes or you know why what if his offense was so successful, why wasn't his record better? Right? You know, I'm not even gonna hold the record against him, but they're already you know, I've read things about how his his personality is it gonna messtion er Josh Rosen. Josh Rosen is kind of like a closed off dude. Didn't really get along with

like the coaching staff this year in Arizona. I know there was like personality issues with a U c. L A. So again, he runs like the spread offense. It's like this air raid offense, which originally came from Mike Leach. Right if if I'm if, I'm not absolutely Kingsbury as a quarterback under Mike Leach. So that's what they're trying

to find. They're trying to find these new concepts and trying to find ways to successfully pass the ball at the NFL level, because that's the way of the NFL's training. You have to be able to pass the ball successfully. And he gets that out of Josh Rosen. That's what they're hoping. That's why they make this higher. I see

both sides of the coin. I don't necessarily hold the record against him, but I do hold the fact that he had a quarterback in Baker Mayfield, who as of right now it looks like he's gonna be a pretty damn good NFL quarterback bench him for Davis Webb. So he didn't know what he had in Baker Mayfield and then didn't ultimately get the like he was very good with Patrick Mahomes, but to me didn't get the most out of him because obviously we see what Andy Reid and Eric b Nimi or b Enemy got out of

Patrick Mahomes this year. Just a quick update, looks say I was right by the way corn Adam Schefter Vic Fangio runs the defense in the Broncos. The offense were run by Gary Kubia Gary Kubiak as we As we mentioned, Kubiak um took time off had some major health issues, so he had to retire essentially as the head coach of the Broncos, working in their front office. But you know, you know that he likes the love. He loves John Elway.

They have a love affair with each other and and Kubiak will return to the sidelines as the offensive coordinator in Denver. Just can't quit. I just can't quit the Kubiak creety. No. I think it's interesting what going back to Arizona here for a second, and after the break will get into what tamp Bays doing. But um I got an interesting Frankie in Arizona where we know we talked all the time and specifically yesterday about teams doing the opposite of what they what they've done in the past.

Right last year, the Arizona Cardinals took their time with their coaching search, and there was kind of a a carousel, if you will, more than the coaching carousel, but like a merry go round of where the coaches will end up with that Patricia and Pat Shermer and Steve Wilkes, and there are three jobs with the Lions, the Giants

and the Cardinals. These three guys were gonna end up with and it kind of landed where Shermer ended up in New York, Patricia in Detroit, and Wilkes in Arizona, and Steve Wilkes the well, it's relatively veteran head coach, defensive coordinator, you know, mid forties, exciting, solid dude, one year piece could put. The offense was pathetic. Now, a lot of that's on general manager Steve Kinmen. There's not enough talent there. The offensive was obviously pathetic. Mike Boyd

deserves part of the blame. He lasted like four weeks. So what do the Cardinals do this time? He complete and utter opposite. The interview very few candidates. They meet Cliff Kingsbury one time and they hire him within hours. Will it work? Will it be successful? I don't know. People forget that when the Ramps hire Sean McVeigh, it wasn't they interviewed this dude and then immediately hired him.

Sean McVeigh was interviewed, is part of a very long process for the Rams that went on for weeks, and they took their time and they decided, you know what, this guy seems like the best candidate. Cardinals didn't do that, rushed to hire Cliff Kingsbury. And I don't know if the Jets were that interested where they had to, otherwise he may have gotten out. I don't know. Matt naked with the Bearers. I mean the Bearers took their time

with this search. They interviewed several different candidates before they hired Matt Neke. Cardinals seem like they rushed this one a little bit. Will it work out? Does it matter? They don't know, but everyone Wing Crown Cliff Kingsbury, what's

your horses a little bit there? And there's a big debate on Twitter too, because there's a lot of analytics guys that see where the NFL is going, where the NFL is trending in terms of the passing success that you need nowadays, and that's why they're in support of Cliff Kingsbury. And then there's the old guard who's like, why doesn't the guy, you know, why don't more guys

like Vic Fangio get opportunities. So, you know, there's a big clash on Twitter right now between at least what I've seen between you know, those who are advocates of Cliff Cliff Kingsbury are more like the analytics guys, like the the guys who are kind of you know, those are That's what's happening right now when it comes to

Cliff Kingsbury. And the Cardinals are all in on them, like they're you know, they're putting out all these highlight packages of him and releasing all these videos and they got the Arizona Cardinals Twitter is they're spelling Cardinals with k now like they're all in on this, And there was a report with that apparently when he met with the Jets. He had already. It was basically a lock that he was already gonna be with the Cardinals. Like the only reason he even met with the Jets so

that they could pick his brain about his offense. Justus to get more Jets than that anything Like with the Jets. We come back because my friends are killing me today because I don't want them to as an objective, totally objective. I don't want them to hire Mike Michael McCarthy and I think that Gary Kubiak is hilarious and they think it's a joke. Let's talk with us in a second. More on the way after this. Daily rodo dot Com learned from the game's best DFS players. We don't just

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the reading the second, but I'm getting really frustrated. I am, oh, I love triggered Greggy getting really frustrated, and I'm talking to you. I don't always call you a sensible Jets fan, but I think you are an No, not particularly, but I'm hoping you're going to be for the sense of this conversation. Okay, So I'm getting roasted at the moment. My roast of Greg Sussman in my group shot a conversation.

I let being roast megroup chat because I don't think the Jets hiring Mike McCarthy or Adam Gaze is a good idea. I laughed when the Denver Broncos promoted Gary Kubiak, and the response I get every time, specifically with McCarthy and Kubiak, they want a Super Bowl. Oh yeah. So McCarthy developed Aaron Rodgers. They they went to the playoffs nine of his thirteen years. I understand, but like he got fired because their offenses of vanilla and that hasn't

changed in years. And the responses, well, he developed Aaron Rodgers and clearly he's doing something right. And there was a riff there that personality didn't work and it's like Andy Reid and it was time for a change. When it comes to Gary Kubiak, he won a Super Bowl just a couple of years ago. What's great higher And I'm just like, what, Yes, that's true, but the one because of their defense. Well, it's always something with you. You make excuses, you need to follow what everyone on

Twitter saying. You need the young, sexy ire like everybody wants. And I'm just like, no, I just don't think Gary Kubiak is creative. I don't think McCarthy's creative. I think Adam Gaze did a terrible job in Miami using the skill they had. But look at his record, look at his record, and they got lucky. See, it's always something with you. Well, who do you want the Jets to hire?

I go on not all honestly, like, and you know this has said this on the show, like I don't like Todd Monken any there personally, I don't have I don't I don't, unfortunately, have a good answer for you. I don't. I don't see like the best candidate out there. Right, there's no there's been no candidate where I've said I've said to you, frankly, I said this from yesterday. I said from the beginning to me, there was no ended

it like that that stood out. And I've said this to you, like, I don't have a good answer for you. There's not one guy who I'm pointing out like that's exactly who the Jets should hire right there. There's there's anyone candidate for the first any team, Like, and people ask me that I think Monkin or Matt Rule would be better than a car and but like the response to you would be like, you just want a younger,

sexy name. This is it, that's what you want. And I'm just like, I don't, I don't I understand why you're using that argument against me, because that's what Twitter sayers. And I have to follow Twitter, and it was just with Twitter. There are people on Twitter who actually like

McCarthy too, Like that's more of the old guard. You're basically the fantasy hipster right now, Greg, that's what they're saying, right, You're saying that you're saying something just because it's like the trendy thing to do, right because you these are probably the same people who think like wins matter in baseball, right Like when you're looking at like pictures like these are the same guys that say like winds matter essentially,

and I'm not the same thing like that. Just because he had a good record in Green Bay doesn't mean that you're a great coach like you have. Yes, he coached up Aaron Rodgers, and Rodgers also sat behind bred Far for a couple of years. He got to learn under one of the best quarterbacks, you know, one of one of the better quarterbacks of all time as well. That also factors into it. The only one one super Bowl and you know, but Payton only won one Super Bowl.

The response to days, I would love on Super Bowl. Just let me make the playoffs. Give me one super Bowl? Sure, someone responsive, What do you want Tom Coughlin, do you want John Groomy? Do you want them to coach your team right now? Yeah? Because they want to just because they wanted to stay wanted. My point is, I'm with you. By the way, I agree with like, I don't want the jetsic is to hire Mike McCarthy or Adam Gates.

To me, one of those hires is like the safe you know, maybe you will go seven and nine, eight and eight. That's what they're doing instead of kind of like shooting for the moon. And that's what the Cardinals did right, like they shot to the moon and trying to get Cliff Kingsbury. Whether it's right or wrong, I'll leave that up to you decide. I kind of painted both of the picture. Personally, I don't mind it. I

think the Cardinals are thinking outside the box. Yes, it's completely different than like Steve Wills, Who's what they just had before. We referenced that that they wanted to go in a completely different direction. Is it right or wrong? We're gonna debate that. We're not gonna know that until a year in two years into the regime, if he even gets that. I mean, it would be pretty crazy to have two back to back. One and done right, So so my the other. I'm everywhere right now from

it together. Stop arguing and get it together. I'm arguing because it makes sense on this show, right when a guy like Gary Kubiak, who and Nick fans you with a brock Who's just did they want to be like Seattle and Dallas who always is a fantastic run games from the Shanahan shre. I'm never gonna speak that, you know how I feel there's more ways to win than one. Well, but that's the question. There's more ways to win than one. Fine Seattle their waters played a defense, orld of football

and limited mistakes that destroyed them in the playoffs. Dallas is a better version of that. Right, they run the ball, they play the defense, ball control, they don't. We'll see. This is this is the test. This is the test. Correct. It's Cowboys against Sean McVeigh. I've already seen people, you know, analytical people on Twitter saying we need to root for the Rams to win because that will push analytics forward more.

The fact that Sean McVeigh got it done. And if something like Jason Garrett in the Old Guard where you played defense and you run the football and you you give Ezeki Elliott the ball thirty times, so we keep the Los Angeles Rams off the field. That's that's that's the exact debate that we're doing right now. But where does My question is where does Michael McCarthy fit into that mix. He's kind of like a blend of both. He's not good at either. Like, he's not a young

offensive play caller. He's not creative. We know that already. He hadn't changed the offense in ten years with the Green Bay Packers, So nor is he neither. Is he a young offensive mind or is he an old guard, old style, defensive minded head coach. He's neither. He's in the middle. Where does how does that? Where does that work? I'm with you on this, Like I don't want McCarthy, I don't want Adam Gates. But what if he couldn't win with Aaron Rodgers, how is he gonna win with

Sam Donald? So they'll dispute it's saying he didn't win with Aaron Rodgers when Aaron Rodgers was younger, when he had less of an ego, where it wasn't the same that they just grew apart, and people grow apart. And the fact is, you look at Andy Reid. That's what it's constantly pointed out to me. I was telling the argument, and I've seen that argument as well. Andy Reid, they said the same thing about him when he left and he went to they see and he reinvented himself. Greg.

That's the question, does Mike McCarthy reinvent himself when he gets to the Jets, because that's what Andy Reid did. He changed that sty exactly how I respond, But from everything that we've seen from Mike McCarthy, where he was too stubborn to change his style in Green Bay? Does we have to go based on that He's going to change his style of offense and play calling when he

gets so. I was into it with Jets Van Jeff for a while this morning, and he got it and he got this right, and he listed his head coaches like he thinks Matt rules a home run higher. I don't know why, but it's fine, and now you want that rule. Also, he would love Todd Monkin and you guys are want to say wavelength. He wants nothing to do with him Gaze and he says he's good with McCarthy as long as his offensive coordinator isn't Joe Philbin Ben McAdoo. Someone that's um though, what's his name? I

would Edgar Bennett. That's the question. Why wouldn't it be? I'm with you he goes, He goes for me, if Michael McCarthy is the head coach and they can somehow priorca Zack Taylor from the Rams, I'm interested, like this is reinventinging, this is new ideas, this is something different. But if it's someone the same old for Mike McCarthy, which is what I think it will be. I know

what's what you think it will be. I want nothing to do with that and for the head coach, And I don't mean you to sit here and talk about the Jets for a while, but I think it's important because there are these different views in the NFL how you can win. Clearly, John Elway wants a good run game with a great defense. That is the point of hiring Vic Fangio and Gary Kuba game managing quarter or whoever the quarterback is, to be a game managing quarterback.

You're absolutely right, that's what he wants. Clearly. As you said, Arizona is shooting for the moon, right that that's what the point is for the New York Jets. What is the right answer, do you shoot for the moon or do you you know, bringing a guy, someone that's safe, someone that probably will be fine. I don't know. Tamm Bay Buccaneers, what did they do with the hiring of the Arizona Cardinals. Now this is closer to like Mike McCarthy as well, I think. So it's not one of

the young guys. And he didn't bring any that in anybody young. He literally just transported his staff from Arizona Byron left, which is a younger mind. And he was on his staff. He was on the staff, but he was like a QB coach back then and he's still he's a passing the game. I mean literally his entire staff from Arizona. But it worked though what it worked, it worked until it didn't. Is that the case though, Like it wasn't a case that Carson Palmer was too old.

Carson Palmer wasn't good enough if you look at his record what Bruce Arians did. He was great with the cardinal, yes he was. He was great. And his vertical passing attack down the field. I think it's gonna work. Wonders with James Winston. It's I just find it interesting, like like I don't I'm whoever one a super Bowl he might have like under like the Cold City. It's like

the Steelers he might have, certainly not. But Bruce Arians, I just find it very interesting that, you know, I want to kill the vic fangios where you're anti Mike McCarthy, that's fine, But Bruce Arians goes to Arizona brings old defensive coordinator top bowls with him. He's old offensive cornator Harold good Roou with him his old quarterbacks coach Byron left with with him. He brings everybody with him, everybody

in Arizona. And I feel like people forget and again understand the quarterback was in Jurney constantly dealt with quarterback problems. I feel like people forget that. When Bruce Arians retired two seasons ago, there are questions if he if he should be fired, like, we don't know that that may have been a bit of a forced retirement Bruce Arians. I get it what he did that vertical passing game was awesome, But Bruce Arians is one of these guys that is stuck in his ways. But we want to

predict the offenses. We know what Bruce arians offense is going to be. Jamis Winston is going past the ball down the field constantly to Mike Evans like you know that. And that's a good thing for fantasy purposes. Is it a good thing for the books? I don't know. Is it a good thing for Jamis Winston? Probably, And if Bruce Arians can improve Jamis Winston, then it's a good higher. That's ultimately the answer to that question. But is it being I guess agist if I'm just like, what are

you doing with this Bruce Arians thing. Maybe to be fair, I wanted Bruce Arians. You did, Yes, you did. I wanted Bruce Arians for the Jets. And I understand what I think, and I know he didn't win a super Bowl, and I think here and I think ultimately as I talked to think that Bruce Arians in his time with the Cardinals did a better job than what McCarthy did with the Packers, probably because one roll one didn't. And

you're using the same arguments that you're friends. I'll tell you why it is naive of you, Carson Palmer is not like if if you have Aaron Rodgers on the Cardinals, how many super Bowls are the Cardinals win? Right? You're absolutely right? But is it the failure of Bruce Arians or the failure of Steve Kim The Bruce Arians in Arizona never developed a quarterback? Like that's an issue to me.

Mike McCarthy. Yeah, Aaron Roddy got the most out of Carson Palm, definitely, but he couldn't do it again at that point was like a little washt journeyman whatever wash off of it. But who's year of his career thirty five touch? Definitely definitely, definitely, definitely, And I think for the Jets, Bruce Arians would have made a lot of

sense to develop Sam Donald. I agree with you, pretty young quarterback, and it's the guy I wanted that I go back, that was the one guy, And I said that in the middle of team said I wanted Bruce Arians for the Jets. My thing is, why didn't they get a young quarterback for him to develop in Arizona, Like he's going to Tampa Bay to fix Jamis Winston. That is the goal. He helped Andrew Luck developer. Probably thought their defense was good enough and that Carson palm

Or could win them games. He helped Andrew Luck developed, He helped Ben Roethlisberger developed. He has a history of develop quarterbacks. Absolutely, so I get it that was the guy probably for the Jets. Fine, I'm in on that. I just think there's a bit of a question, like I just think you talk about guys innovating like I want brus Areus as the head coach. I wish he didn't have his same old crew. It worked, How could you?

But it worked? But it didn't work? Wouldn't he didn't If you're holding him to the measurement that he didn't win a Super Bowl, that just didn't get to us. We'll look at his record as the first I got her. I understand, I understand it worked. You're right, it worked. But if it worked as a head coach and worked for him, how can you not say it worked for McCarthy. It's my only question. How could you say more with Aaron Rodgers? No, I don't think yes, yes, And the

fact that he was unwilling to change. Now, the thing is, does Bruce arians offense need to change? Like, yeah, he'll probably tweak some things. I don't know. Maybe it's unfair to say that about Arians, but you know, and assume that Mike McCarthy wouldn't. There's still a chance, Like if Mike, if Mike McCarthy took the Jets head coaching job and brought in some o see from the college ranks to help him get more creative, than I would be on board with that. I'd be like, all right, you know what,

at least the guys trying to do something different. If he comes in here and Ben McAdoo is the offensive coordinator of the New York Jets, how as a Jets fan, are you on board with that? There's just no way that's where I'm at. I think Bruce I like the Bruce Arians higher for the the Tampa Bay Bucks much more than I would Mike McCarthy with the Jets. You look at what Larry uh, what Carson Palmer did in the Bruce Arians. Every year, there was three years that

he played at least fifteen games under Bruce Arians. You threw for at least two hundred yards in each of those seasons. You through for at least twenty four touchdowns in each of those seasons. Obviously was the money year forty four thousand, six and seventy one yards, thirty five touchdowns, eleven interceptions, eight point seven yards per tempt with Carson Palmer. Carson Palmer, Greg, it was also that year that Larry Fitzgerald finished as wide receiver seven overall. John Brown finishes

wide receiver twenty six. I think we should bring it back to fantasy a little bit here, Greg, I had a pole but out before the show with this higher the connection now with Bruce Arians and Jamis Winston, these Jameis win to shoot into the top twelve next year as a Fantasy quarterback because based on what he did in Arizona. Why can't Mike Evans be the wide receiver seven that Larry Fitzgerald was. Why can't Chris Godwin be a top thirty near top twenty five wide receiver that

John Brown was? John Brown one for a thousand yards that year. Why couldn' Chris god would do that? Next year? They also have O. J. Howard. We'll see what they do at running back. Peyton Barbrow is a restricted free agent they had. They drafted Ronald Jones in the second round last year. He has no ties to that, so we don't know if Ronald Jones is gonna get an opportunity. But there's already been whispers about Levian Bell. I don't think they have enough catch based to sign Levian Bell.

I'm just gonna throw that out. I don't I don't think Levian Bell is gonna happen. They take take a chance on a guy like Kareem Hunt, they draft a guy, draft someone themselves. I think with Bruce Arians in place, James Winson is pretty close to the top twelve quarterback next year. Now you right then yesterday we didn't get to it on the program, but you ranked the top quarterbacks going into next year's fantasy football draft season. That

Patrick Mahomes number one makes sense. You still be Aaron Rodgers too. Uh. Andrew Luck number three after what he has done, makes sense. Shawn Watson number four. I don't really think those are arguable, to be honest with you. Then you have the old guys, a big band and Matt Ryan, cam Newton, Russell Wilson doesn't throw the ball, which is an issue. H Philip Rivers, Jared got, Drew Brees, Mrs Drobiskey, Baker Mayfield. That was where we had it,

and I remember, I just agree with you. I would have a Baker Mayfield at twelve um over Mitchell Driskey personal Las stand by that would you still would you just flip flop them? Would that still be like your top thirteen? That's not maybe not in the same order. I would probably would you move Mrs tro Whiskey down? I would move tro Whisky down to Jamais up? Would I would now with this higher? I had James Winson at fifteen behind Lamar Jackson, would put them ahead of

Lamar Jackson. Notice very close with Baker Mayfield. Noticed, as we said before, Tom Brady is not on that list. I'm Rady's down at sixteen for me right now. And according to you know, other rankors that I've seen out there, I mean other people haveing closer to twenty, they have nineteen twenty. So again, like it's weird to see Tom Brady down this far. And this is why you should play in super flex leagues because the quarterback position, once again,

it's going to be super deep. You go twenty quarterbacks deep up until I have Dak Prescott as my number twenty quarterback. Well, from weeks twelve to seventeen, Dak Prescott was QB three overall. So there's a lot of quarterback. There's a lot of viable quarterbacks out there, like Jimmy Garoppolo's to be coming back, Kirk Cousins I have his QB eighteen still has great weapons, Carson Wentz is gonna be coming back. Where does Nick Foles end up? There's

still Matthew Stafford that could bounce back. If you think Josh Rosen takes the leap with Cliff Kingsbury, Sam Donald, with whoever it is, Mike McCarthy, um Matt Rule, whoever. If you think these quarterbacks take step forward, like the quarterbacks is a deep position. Please, please, everybody play in super flex leagues. I don't think it hurts. I think Jami's Winston right now would be my QB four teen, right behind Mitch Trabinsky and Baker Mathews. You'll lasts Mitchell Trobinsky.

Your qubats well, well, it's well on the Matt Naggie system, beats one to ten the's QB seven overall. Then run the football, which bodes well for fantasy as well. And I think in year two under Matt Nagie he gets even back. We'll talk more about quarterbacks. It's look more about hey, coaches, and a whole lot more stick around. There's more of your fantasy best friends forever on the

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Sorry this for Matthew Barry on Twitter. Greg referriend of Freddy Kitchens, who we talked about earlier on in the show all statsince week nine led the NFL in yards per play, tied for the league lead in yards for past attempt fourth in yards per game, fourth in passing yards per game on three point seven five actual points per game, which was the NFL. Those were the numbers for Freddy Kitchens, who, as we referenced, did a great job. Doesn't help Jarvis Landry though, which is what I'm also

seeing on twit. Jervis Landry average close to twelve targets per game with Todd Haley as e o C. Under Freddy Kitchens, that number dropped to six point eight targets for games. So Jarvis Landry, he's an interesting one. It'll probably more of like a wide receiver free next year.

Everything that we knew coming into this season, or that I saw at least, was that Todd Haley wanted Jarvis Landry to be the Antonio Brown of this offense, because Todd Haley obviously coached Antonio Brown while he was the O C in Pittsburgh, So he wanted Jarvis Landry to be that type of guy. It's clear that Freddy Kitchens, and maybe it's not just Freddy Kitchens. I think I think it's a Baker Mayfield thing too. I don't think

Baker Mayfield's zones in on one guy. We've seen that there wasn't just one receiver that he fell in love with. He does the A lot of people comp him to Drew Brees, but he does the Drew Brees thing where for most of Drew Brees' career he didn't just zone in on one guy. I mean, now a little bit later on, you know he's going to Michael Thomas a lot.

But for years it was just gimmey whoever is open, Robert meets him, Indoor, Lance More, Marcus Colston, whatever tight ends there, Jimmy Graham, you would spread the ball around, would spread the ball around. I think Baker Mayfield is a lot like that. We saw a big play Santonio Callaway. We saw plays at times Shard Higgins here and there. You'd get David and Joku, a lot of Nick Chubb running the football. Baker Mayfield is not a guy that's

going to zone in on one receiver. It's very early, obviously, my preliminary analysis of the Browns passing attack. I won't want, I won't want anything to do with Jervis Landry from fantasy. He had a very bad that's easy to see in the second half of the year. I want everything to do Nick Chub, Nick Chubb, we'll talk more about this mock drab. By the way, Frank and I are sitting here for the Frenzy today. No Corey Porson, No Chris Ventura. H So Jim Day, who I don't think news is

at the time. Hey, Jim Day, I know you're in the chat. We're gonna show with you today, sitting in these gonna be talking about the mock draft that we're doing right now. It's like the f n T S Y Radio way too early twenty nineteen mock draft, just dipping our toes. We're doing six rounds, as we've mentioned, just to see get an idea where players are going.

We're in the middle of the second round right now, so we'll really just talk a lot about the first round, some picks that have stood out to far, because there's definitely some people trying to Yeah, Diana Hill already, Greg, it's you know, it's January ninth, and this is what we're doing. Whatever, we'll talk about it. Yeah, we'll talk about that. And one the reason I brought that up. Nick Chubb, who expected to be a first rounder h went at the turn in this mock draft, and again

we're just in the first round. Like Blue who's walking around here somewhere. It's just get him in here to make his picks. They can make his pig, then I can make my pick. We can make all make picks. Greg. This just came out from Rural World, a report that Todd Bowl is actually considering the Bears DC job now

instead of the Bucks. Makes sense, look look better. Why you go to the Bucks when to the also has to do with his scheme too, because from what I've seen, he runs a three four defense, and it wouldn't what I saw yesterday is that wouldn't really match the current personnel that the Tampa Bay Bums. I mean, I'd have to look into it, but I know they have like Gerald McCoy and Vita Via up front in the middle, so that probably lends itself more like a four or three.

Those guys are like d tackles and then you've got Jason Pierre Paul on the outside and whatever else on the other side. But um, yeah, it's it's gonna be wherever his scheme is. And I mean just from like an obvious standpoint, wouldn't you rather coach the pairs and the defense? You want to talk more about these quarterback rankings, Greg, Is there anything else that stands out to you as I look at them? Are you making these available anywhere? I don't. I don't know if I can like submit

them on fantasy pros. I don't know. Maybe I'll ask Scott like if he wants them, but I could just tweet them out. I think little more. Jackson is an interesting asked me. I'll just give them to you. No, I'm not like you interesting. I'll give you my rankings for free. You're super Really, that's fine. They're gonna change, you know what. It was hard for me to rank at the time, and it still kind of is because they haven't named Dirk Cutter the offensive coordinator yet, but

Matt Ryan they have. They have named him the offense and Mike mclarkey is the Titan's coach. I'm not kidding. I I don't doubt that you're kidding. Greg Um. Matt Ryan at QB six is this the right spot? Is it too high? I know he finished QB two overall this year, but I think under Dirt Cutter. Again, everyone's gonna talk about this first year under an under an offensive coordinator for Matt Ryan, typically he does not bode well, but he has familiarity already with Dirk Cutter because he's

worked under Dirk Cutter. And if we're looking just under first year coordinators, under Dirk Cutter was the most success that Matt Ryan had under a first year o C. He the thirty two touchdowns in his first year with Dirk Cutter as the o C in Atlanta. So I actually think that this does bode well for Matt Ryan. And uh, I actually I like him quite a bit as the QB six. Yeah, I hear you. I I don't know, You're not gonna You're not gonna get it next year. No, no, I get it. Knowing what Dirk

Carter wants to do, my rins fine. Like I said it. While you're running down the list, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson, the two names right behind him, huge question marks, huge question I didn't even know where to rank Cam Newton, but I just think based on upside pedigree, what he's done in the past and while he was healthy, looked pretty good in this North Turner offense. You want to talk about a guy kind of like building his scheme to fit the players he has. North Turner came in

and Carolina and actually did just that. So credits to north Turner and Cam Newton. They worked well together this year when he was healthy, Cam Newton was very good over You know what a lot of people are gonna remember, which is, you know we have recency bias as fantasy players, is the final month where Cam Newton burnt everybody. That's what everyone's gonna remember. We still have to remember the guy that typically has been a top five six quarterback

every single year. So that's why I haven't ranked at QB seven. I have to figure out what the what the Seahawks do do? Do they retain Brian Schottenheimer? What do you think I would have been fired by now? Yeah, I agree with you. So how much is gonna change with Russell Wilson. I can already see the articles trick trickling in now Greg in terms of the Seahawks can't repeat this kind of efficiency. His his touchdown percentage was way too high. It was the same thing we said

about DeShawn Watson coming into this year. The same thing we've said about Carson Wentz is that you can't throw touchdowns at that rate when you don't throw for that many yards. Difference is exactly what happened with Russell Wilson. But the difference is he didn't run the football either.

The difference is even still like DeShawn Watson and Carson Wentz like they're going to throw the football like the petition hates running Sean like the text is, actually were pretty balances here, but Russell Wilson like that Ifficiawn Watson didn't throw for that many touchdowns here, nobody had that many touchdown but he he rushed a lot what helped Shawn. But there was balanced that was more balanced in my opinion. Yeah, it wasn't more balanced offensive it Russell Wilson and Seattle.

The problem is if he's not that efficient, he would to bottom out like even Judy He's like but he but the occasions can he can he maintain this EFFI is he is one of the best pure pastors in the NFL Greg So if you're running the ball that effectively and defenses are respecting the run, why can't Russell Wilson repeat this kind of efficiency? And that's just me playing devil's advocate. Why can't he if they run the

ball that effectively because it sets up the path. I just knew that efficiency is really hard to match its all, and I'm probably closer to you. I don't as of right now. I'm very like wishy washy on Russell Wilson. Just and it was all season long. You know, you would see these stat lines two passing yards, three touchdowns. He would rush for like fifteen yards. Weird season, very very weird season from Russell Wilfs. I don't know this for sure. I'm looking up right now. I'm pretty sure

this was his lowest rushing output in it. What would you bet on that was? This is lowest rushing output of the year. I'll give you the number two d seventy six rushing yards this year for Russell Wilson. Was that the lowest rushing output of his career? Yes? Wrong? He rushed for two hundred and fifty nine in ten when he also threw for when he won touchdowns and eleven interceptions. That was That was a brutal season. That

was a brutal season for Russell Wilson. But if he's not he's not adding the fantasy value with his legs that he used to be. He's just not throwing for that many yards. He threw four two hundred thirty three yards per game. This is actually kind of right on part with his career. But he threw he also threw actually no, that was that was his playoffs. This is annoying. Greg for two hundred and fifteen yards per game this year, which that number is the lowest since when he was

a second year quarterback in fifteen yards per games. But he threw thirty five touchdowns, which is the most of his career. It's ridiculous like that that. I don't think that's replicable. Four seven passing attempts this year, the third fewest of his career, the lowest when he was a second year quarter threw thirty five touchdowns on four seven passing attempts. It's an eight point two touchdown percentage. Touchdown percentage is the percentage of your throws that go for touchdowns.

Eight point two. He's a career six percent touchdown rate. Guy, how do you project Russell Wilson next year? I think good, Look, the floor is yours. I don't really think I need luck. I think it to me when you are throwing touch as at the rate that Russell Wilson did where he passed the ball a the lowest and is used a sophomore. The amount of times it was a software and in

a career high in passing touchdowns. That that there's no balance the right, Like, that's not something that all right, this makes sense, Like you threw the most times, so he had the most tousdowns alright, fine, at least touches because he threw the least amount of times. Fine, you know it was somewhere in the middle. You can get behind it, but the most the least. It doesn't work that touchdown numbers coming down. This is the offense that

Brian Schottenheimer and Pete Carroll want. Clearly they do they change, you know, following what just happened in the playoffs. No, because it got him in the playoffs. No, but it lost in the playffs. Maybe they change it in the playoffs next year. Right, Maybe I'm not doing Russell Wilson next year. There's enough guy ranked too high at QB eight. Maybe there's enough guys behind him, Philip Rivers and Jared Goff. Would you rather have either of those guys? I probably

rather Philip Rivers. Yeah, I could see people pushing Philip Rivers down the board. I personally wouldn't. He's gonna get Hunter Henry back right like Williams is probably gonna play Philip Rivers. I'd rather Philip Rivers. I've seen a lot of people who have Jared Goff inside their top six or tomes. Yeah, the Jerry goffthing is interesting. Then Jerry goffthing is interesting. The final months of the season, he was very bad, very bad because they played a really

tough schedule that final month. It was QB twenty five from weeks twelve to seventeen. Weeks twelve to seventeen, you do something interesting names Greg Josh Allen was QB one. I have Drew Brees. I rather have Drew Brees and the wrestle Awson. I don't feel great about Drew Brees either. You never do. I did. I didn't. Admittedly I didn't have Drew Brees this year anywhere. And you know what, and I say this every year. What I tell people to do is what I do do, So you know,

I put my money where my mouth is. Like, if Drew Brees went off this year and he was fine, look at where he finished overall, but Drew Brees the first four weeks when he was him and Him and Kamara show Michael Thomas great. Once they traded for Eli Apple, the defense started to play a little bit better. They get mark Ingram back, They're more of a balance attack.

We were talking about at one point, you don't want to use Drew Brees for daily like Drew Brees was an afterthought towards like the final month or two of the season. Again, they were away from New Orleans three out of the last four. Just a reminder with that, we're gonna sign up on YouTube now Fantasy of All Frenzies up next, we're gonna hang out here with Jim Day and talk about the first round of our Fantage Prouball mock draft. So we'll see you all in a bit.

Becausing on the podcast, Like subscribe rate us five stars, that comment this is watching on YouTube. Subscribe, hit that button, Hit the subscribe button. People make it happen. Um frinsys QB eight overall this year great, it's pretty good. That's want. Jared Goff was one spot higher. I want to I don't want to draft him in Russells Russell Wilson wants spot behind him. I want to fry points and would I just tell you I want to draft Freezer could

be eight. But just because it happens one year doesn't mean you know, you gotta project forward. I understand that. But Drew Brees the same guy. It's changed. But what if they get closer to what he was last year? Because we saw the first four weeks the defense was terrible. He had to put the team on his back in these shootouts. Now, if the defense continues to take these step forward and picks up from this year, you have

to pass that month. You said that. This is literally the argument you had to me in July and August. It this year. You know that, right, That's the same argument I made for Jared Golf. I didn't have Jared Goff anywhere. Nobody did. I thought their defense was going to dominate and he wouldn't be asked to doo much and it would be the girly show I had most of the season. It was because of you. I had the Saints in the first week of the NFL season, and I lost videos of them because they had negative

It didn't have the Saints I did. I had the Saint. I didn't tell you that. Like the Saints defense, the Saints defense, I think it gets a box now. No, no, no, we were both on I don't know everyone's facing the bills the Ravens. We won the first week the Daily Roder dot Com partnership with DADT. Golf's back at twenty nineteen with all new premium Fantasy Golf and betting tools.

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For discount of the Daily Rodor dot Com click on Go Premium, click on Golf and the promo code Golf nineteen discount. Frank, we have about a minute remaining in the program. Anything else you wanted to tell her? Fantastic listeners, Where would you feel comfortable drafting? Josh Allen, Greg, I'm not gonna raft Josh Allen. You're not gonna draft Josh

Allen at all? Well, where would you feel comfortable ranking that's realized they didn't have I don't have him rank he would be if I had to just do this now on the fly. Would you rather have next year Josh Allen or Tom Brady? Greg Brady? Come on? Sorry, come on, Greg? Where's that? Where's that progressive fantasy hipstery we were talking about earlier on in the show. Did it take Tom Brady? The same guy who would hire fix Fanjio? As he said, Cook, all right, we'll take

a break. We'll be back to the fantasy people of Frenzy in a moment. No Corey Parson, no Chris vet Show, just Frank Sample, gregsm and him Day. Thank you so much for watching and listen to the fantasy best friends forever. We we'll do it all again tomorrow. But dr eight, We hope does your fantasy team suck? Maybe you need us. The Fantasy Sports Radio Network the only three four seven fantasy sports radio network