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You're listening to the Fantasy Sports Radio Network. Fantasy best Friends Forever, Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Yo is as the Fantasy best Friends Forever Here the Fantasy Sports Radio Network alongside Frankie Stample. I am Gregg Saucemen, Frank what's going on? What's going on here? Only hear myself on one side of here, I hear you. Oh good, whatever I've figured out during the break, doing alright? Wednesday Baseball talk, Greg. I'm excited.

I'm really excited. I was texting you late last night, trying to get ready for some fantasy baseball talk. Very excited. Speaking Fantasy baseball. Shout out has to go to RBFF Michael Floria. Oh absolutely, he had the no I think we should give ourselves a shout out. Collected one third of it. Yes, of course we won the award two thirds. What do you mean we we won the award. We won two thirds of the award. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah.

He wrote the Blake Snell article when he was with us, Greg that was That means under the tutelage of Bffy, with the emotional support of his BFF, we were there to cheer him on in the background while he's looking up his Blake Snell heat maps. Mostly I was hitting on him at the time by Curry, but now my hatred drove him to write the Fantasy Baseball Article of the Year for in the f s W A Mike Florial f W A award winner. Absolute shout out to Mikey. Rats.

That's freaking awesome. Man. May twenty nineteen be the year? Frank? Probably not? Why not? Man? Yearn to nail it this year. I feel good about it. All right, let's figure some you know, I gotta start writing in order to the year right, because we know the BFC ain't getting any love. No, probably not, Floria. So good job, Mikey. We love it. And by the way, if you want to see who Florio is projecting. Is this year's Blake Snell? Checking his

patreon right now. I believe he has an article up and he's got a couple of potential candidates that be this year's Blake's now one guy in particular, so check it out. Mike Flora was tweeted out he's got a patreon. I don't know we're allowed to advertise that, but I'm doing anyway because f I don't care. Check out my Flora's patreon for that. Cool. Definitely, what's up? You had you sleep last night? It's a great last night, Frank. It was my best sleep in weeks to be Hodesday,

because Judy didn't have a coughing attack. Wasn't we trying to sleep? Which is what happened. He went to bed last night. She was very kind and went to bed like an hour before me, so by the time I went to bed, she would be sleeping so she wouldn't be coughing. And I went to bed and I still like a baby. He was awesome. Now is do you be a light sleeper? Heavy sleeper? She's a very very heavy sleeper, so she can sleep through a hurricane. A very light very very light. I wake up for anything.

Here's the problem. Yeah, he who wakes up the middle of night. She tries to the middle of night, in the middle of the night, you're sleeping. It's tough. Man's that a because she's a big time and it's rough man. So so for we did like we'll do like the cuddle before we go, and I'll wake up and there's like there's an inch on my side of the bed and there's like three ft on her a choke. So I actually feel like I get pretty mad at in the middle of night, like get get on my side

of bed. I get pretty Oh my god, do you get animated? Oh my god? So for me, like Junie, I O cuddle right, and then basically she goes hard way, I go my way. That's that's that's the best way to do it. And that's it. Sometimes she feels covered, so I just like angrily grabbed them. That's about it. She we have our side the dumb button. We need that. Voters got to put a bleeping in on the man. Frankie, Sorry,

man got a little ndmated last night. I was, you know, I had to be here a little bit earlier today. Do you think that I wanted to get out of bed because we were traveling to work together today as well. I didn't ask you to be here, Like, so I'm reading about that Tobias Harris trade. I didn't ask you to hear at the crack of dawn. I know, but I'm still just not a morning game. It's about like fifteen minutes earlier than normal. It wasn't like I didn't

have to do anything crazy. And you said, you mean say had no problem. Yeah, that was awesome. Okay, all we're gonna talk about stings that are have changed places today. Great, so three in particular. So basically Frank and I were going back and forth last night, but what we want?

What the hell do we talk about? Right, So we're trying to figure out correct and we give up with loads of ideas that we're gonna really go over over the next couple of weeks, Like we're gonna get into your first round breakdown because we haven't been talked about that yet, right, Like how the first round is going this year? Yeah, I'm probably gonna do that without you.

That's fine, Like we aren't doing a little bit when we get back, like we as the show, we're gonna do like a first round breakdown, and then we're in the second round, and then of course as we get deeper to February, we'll both have our rankings and we'll kind of talk about all these guys. We're gonna talk about guys that have had good luck, guys that have had bad luck, guys that our hype guys, and guys

that should be hype guys, young players. We have a whole list of stuff we want to get into, and now is the time to get into it. And I'm super super excited about it. The more baseball research I've done, like I kind of want to do best ball. I never do best ball. So it's like I'm watching Frank to his second one of the year and I'm like, oh my god, your team is awesome, and I'm feeling it. I just had my fifth round pick. Would you like to know who it is? Else? I had the sixth

pick in the draft out of twelve people. Fan tracks. They run these best ball leagues. They have different kind of payout structures. They have ones where if you finish in the top half of the league, you basically just double your money. So if it's a ten dollar league, you'll win twenty dollars, very similar to a cash game

kind of mindset. And then they also have these leagues where it's where it's twelve teams and I believe it's a first and second place prize where first, you know, if you spend ten dollars for the league, you win like a hundred, and in second place you'll you'll get like double your money back, like twenty bucks or whatever it is. So they have these really cool best ball leagues over on fan tracks. I had the sixth overall

pick in this draft. For me, having aces that are going to give you solid ennings, Greg is very very important in bestball leagues. So with the sixth pick, I wanted the next Yerson. He want one pick before me. I had a dilemma in my hands whether to take. You know, I was debating between Mets and Red Sox, so never a good decision, but I was debating Jacob Degraham, Chris Sale, and j D. Martinez. I ended up taking Jacob Degraham just because I feel like the endings are

a little bit safer than Chris Sale. Maybe it's a little bit unfair because if you look at Chris Sale every year before last year, he's well over two innings. Well, last year it was one nine. Let's worry about the wirey frame a little bit. I think they're very close. In Rhodo. I would take Chris Sale because on a per game, on a purse start basis, I do think he's better than Jacob Degraham. But I trust Jacob Degram

a little bit more for the ending. So I took him in the first round, came back, took Jean Carlos Stanton in the second round, because you do need five outfielders to start in these leagues. In the third round it took Blake's Nell. Michael Flordials breaks Blake's nell. The fourth round it took Hapy Bias because, uh, the second based position is a little bit shallow this year. And then the fifth round came back and it took our

guy greg A. You Henny oh Suarez. This year it might be a little bit early, but I thought there was kind of a drop off after him, so I wanted either him or Rendn. I wanted one of those guys as my third. Fair enough. Now, Frankie's actually been very much on pitching early this year. He's more on it than I remember you being the last couple of years saying I gotta get a picture. I gotta get

a picture, I gotta get a picture. This isn't something I remember that you were so headstrong about in the past, because in my opinion, there are a lot of second round hitters that have been first round talent in the past couple of years. So if you can anchor your staff, we we know that. You know, there are less than less starting pitchers going two endings pitched every single season. Last year had thirteen of them, the least in MLB history.

So you know, those anchors, those workhorse starting pitchers, those guys who are gonna give you endings, give you really good endings too, there are few and far between. So I really like, you know, I think the cut off for me is really Verlander. I want to have one of those, you know, top seven eight starting pitchers, whether it's you know, Sales Serz or de gram Clueber Verlanders in that mix. I want one of those guys, and then you know, maybe I'll wait till a third or

fourth round to get my second starting pitcher. But really, I think that you can execute that plan this year more than ever before, because again in the second round, of drafts this season. There are more prominent hitters, more first round talent type hitters going in the second round this year than ever before. Like you're seeing guys, I got John Carlos Stanton in the second round. You're getting him in the second You're getting Aaron Judge in the

second round. You're getting out to of it. You're getting Bryce Harper and Machado because they haven't signed. You're getting Paul Goldschmidt because he got off to a slow start last year and he's changed teams. He's no longer in Chase Field. He's now playing in St. Louis with the Cardinals. So there are there are a lot of first round caliber talent offensive players that you can get in the second round. So I really like the idea this year of starting with a starting pitcher. It's not it's not

like in Cement, it's not in Stone. I don't have to do that. I think, you know, there are plenty different ways to win in fantasy baseball. You'd have to hit on some of those mid round starting pitcher picks. We'll do a show about those guys too, the hype guys, you know, Flaherty and Jamison Tyne and we'll talk about today. A lot of people are on those guys, and if you hit on those guys, you can still win in

fantasy baseball. But there's the reason why you got to use the first round pick on like a Scherzer or a Sale or or a de Gram. Those guys are hard to find. Yeah, I mean listen. I'll point out to my in my league last year, where I drafted in the like the eleventh and twelve, twelve and thirteen around that, I draft the Corvin and Snell, and I'll point to that that's why I won. But my first round pick would take him to Gram, which is certainly helpful to that. And I was able to make a

trade and swinger Carlos Carrasco as well. So it's like, I'm with you, Rasco. You're getting in the third fourth round this year. That's awesome value. And so I am somebody that is completely with you. And I have been long on this track of really buying the pitching. Admittedly, I'm a points league guy. I'm ahead to head guy rather than Rhodo. I have not found my sweet spot with Rhodo, which is why I have struggled in the past. Um, this year, and I'm hoping this year you have an

auction team together. We have to run. So we'll talk about auxin strategy because we've already found, like I think, two players that we kind of liked together that we might be targeting. That that was what was cool. That what I liked about that those two guys we looked at completely separately, like you had dumped off the page. You had found them, and I was doing some research. I mean, we can reveal them to and we'll talk about them, you know, as the baseball as the fantasy

baseball prep season goes on. Tommy Fam. So when I first started looking at baseball, and I was kind of just looking at some of the things that I happened to look at, and I was like, Frank, like, my crazy. He is like Tommy Fam awesome again, you know, like he's like, oh my god, I am so hit on

Tommy Family. All right, that's awesome. And then about a week or two ago, I was looking at I don't remember how I got there, but I was looking doing a deep dive and I kind of stubbled about run and Odor and I said to Frank, am I crazy If I like runda odo he goes, Honestly, I haven't even looked at second basement yet he comes in this Morning's like, dude, I am in a routette odor like, see,

there's a lot to like there. And it was just two guys again we stumbled upon completely completely separately, and we both really like that. That's just obviously middle round guys, guys that I don't think are hype guys at the moment, that aren't costing you all that much. And we'll talk

more and we'll talk to you. Of course, I've got some of the superstars that we prefer in the order that we want to do, the early round guys in best Frank just mentioned there's a lot of really talented hitters in that second Rather, we're gonna jump upon that.

We're gonna jump upon. We both really like the pictures early and when it was auction draft strategy and excited to talk to when you talk to ian Con next week, where I'm sure you'll have a lot of auction draft strategy there, because maybe we should need lessons from ian Con who continues to dominate our auction and do well um destroyed our league last year year. Maybe a lot of mid you know, mid value guys. So maybe we get some strategy advice from him. Yeah, you know, Ian Cohn,

fan of the program, friend of the program. I'm sure he'll be down to come on. I know specifically next week he wants to talk a lot about his dynasty and rankings. He also talk to himout auction strategy before our draft would be very helpful. I'm sure that we'll get Ian con in at some point to to do an auction strategy show, which makes sense because we could pick his brain and help the audience, but it also will help us in the auction because you know, we want to be like I and Con we want to

be winners. Yes, next week, by the way, Starr started lineup Give It without Greg Sussman in next week confirmed, I have Matt Modica on Monday Skype. He's gonna be here. I want to talk. I really want to talk about the first round with with Modica a lot um and talk about I'm gonna listen, listen. I'm going to listen to that, so I'm gonna have critiques that I might text you whenever I listened to it. I'm gonna I don't want to promise, I'm gonna listen. Live, but I

will be listening or watching at some point. Yeah. So Modica plays a lot on NFBC. He does a lot of high stakes drafts, and on NFBC they have this thing called k d s. It's Kentucky Derby style. You basically put an order all fifteen picks in what order you want them, and then that's how the order is generated based on who has what pick highest. So that's kind of a strategy I'll get into. Yeah, I'll get

into with Modica. I'll go through the first round. Which pick looks like the bestest here or what range looks like the best is yere? I got Chris Venture coming up here next next week one day. I know he's been dying to talk a little bit baseball, his early sleeper breakout first Basement. Josh Bell could talk to him about that. I know who he plays a lot in Points League, so maybe that show will be more geared towards Points League strategy. I'm looking at hitters who don't

strike out as much. We have good O, B P and walk a lot. I know that's why he likes Josh Bell. I also have Ian Conn on Wednesday coming in to talk about his dynasty rankings. So we're going to Dynasty Keeper a little bit. We'll talk about, you know, how should you draft if you're in a startup dynasty, because I feel like that's a question people have areat question. And then I also have Andy Singleton coming in of raz Ball. He also does the Fantasy Baseball Show. He

does great work with pro Spake Jesus Um. So we'll have him in either Thursday or Friday. I haven't figured out which day yet. Um and I could talk anything with him. I could talk prospects, I could talk you know, breakouts for this year, whatever's on his mind. So it's gonna be a fun week next week. I haven't found the guests yet for the fifth day. I'm trying to make it someone special. I'll figure it out. Absolutely, it's

gonna be a really really fun week without me. I'm honestly, I'm happy to be going away and visiting my mom in Florida, so like I'm happy to go away and get away for a few days and not be sick. Obviously, it was out what's her mom's name, Leslie? Leslie? I was out a few weeks ago, which stunk. But I know your dad's name is Rob sockster man Leslie, I

didn't know Weslie. Yeah, you don't know Leslie. Yeah. So anyway, um, I mean hanging out with her, and I was super excited to go away and I was super excited to just get a break in. The football season is over and right in the middle of basketball season during the All Star break. But I'm excited about baseball, man, I really really am, and like it hasn't hit the spot where like in Jet July, I'm just like I'm doneing baseball. Um not last year. Last year I was in the

whole way. But I'm pump man. I'm really excited to talk about it because it's the best time of the year. Everyone in the best time of the year. Everybody loves to draft. And that's why you know, I've been I want to make sure that I'm doing a best ball draft at all times throughout the draft season, just like change where people are changing and where people are going, and not only ten dollar draft. So it's honestly like

good practice too. That's like see what's going on to to prep yourself for your home league, which might be you know, a bigger, higher stakes draft or if you play in the NFBC or you know, if you have a big auction that you need to do and you want to kind of get a feel for how people are valuing certain players. I'm going to continue to do Bestball drafts throughout the draft season just to get an idea of where things are going. I know a good

a good buddy of the program. He's been along. He's been a listener since I don't know, last year, in the past couple of years. John legates. Yes, he's going to join us at some point this week talk about this Best Ball strategy because he's been doing a lot of Best Ball. He's got great stuff too, um that he's been posting on Twitter. MLB Moving Averages is his UH is a Twitter account. Make sure to check him out because he's got some crazy stuff going. MLB Moving

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know you've tried. You've definitely tried. It's funny that you said that because it's a big controversy right now. You have no idea what we're talking about. Obviously you don't watch the news, but like I'm gonna say it like that, but the big thing going on, Donald Trump like tried to moonwalkers, not really Donald Trump is the governor of Virginia.

Just dude, Ralph Northam. It came out that in his med school yearbook he was in a picture like on his page on like the Ralph Northron page in the yearbook. It was a picture of him and somebody else in black face and in a KKK outfit. So that's not great. So he came out. He came out on last Friday. I was like, yeah, that that that was me in the picture. I regrettabla blah blah blah. And then on Saturday he's like, no, that wasn't me the picture. That

was like a wrong picture. And they're like what, but I wasn't blackface in San Antonio in four and they're just like what. So yeah, I tried to just up like Michael Jackson's what I'm getting to. I was about saying, like, this is a really really long way of you telling me whether or not you can moonwalk. That was the original question. Sorry, I'm just telling you this. So the point was right. So yeah, I just it was Michael Jackson. I moonwalked. So someone in the crowd goes, can you

still moonwalk? You mean one it's a massive press conference or the governor of Virginia dressing up as in black face and can you still moonwalk? And the dude smiles and he's about to do it, and his wife's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? He's like, oh, my wife's telling me it's inappropriate to do it right now. I just like, how are you still the governor of the state? Where is that? Virginia? So since then, by the way, the Attorney General Virginia came out today, it

was like, yeah, I just have black face. Back in the day, I was like the lieutenant governor. I was accused of sexual assault. So things going really well in Virginia at the moment. You know, I just didn't even realize that I was doing it, But I just did the gift of the guy like that one and exactly youre talking about. We're talking about so can you moonwalk? Craig? You know what, you avoided the question, right, So no, not really, but I got yes. Of course I've tried.

Everyone's tried to moonwalk. I felt like I could do when I was younger. I'm not gonna try. You want to try. I want to give the people don't know. We tried to very poorly didn't go very well. So since the next thing, you know will be a gift, a gift or a meme picture of Coreyann check out Frank Staffele's Twitter for that picture. I don't want you to charge whoever you I want to. I want to just I wanted to start higher than Charlie Morton. As I said last year, I drafted um in the eleventh

or twelve fish round. I drafted Patrick Corbyn because he was your guy last year. You're very high on Patrick Corban and the way I did on this particular team that I'm thinking about is that draft that Florio's guy and Blake Snell, and then I drafted your guy and Patrick Corbyn. And you know, honesty, Frankie, you couldn't have been more right when it came to Patrick Corbyn. Yeah, obviously we all get things wrong, but like Corbyn was one of the guys who were very very high on

last year. UM, you sold me on multiple guys last year. Sold me Di Castianos also that you didn't draft him. Um. But Patrick Corbyn obviously fantastic last year, turned it into a big time contract with the Washington Nationals this offseason. I'll read you the stats for Corvin eleven and seven with a three point one five E right if you're a fipp in the next FIP guy, it was less than even that three point one five r right two point four seven five two point six one x fhip.

What changed, well, his K per nine was way better than ever, with an over eleven K per nine. The next highest in his career in the major leagues was a year before at eight point four five. Now, it had been getting better pretty consistently, but nothing like that. The walk rate, while it was fantastic two point one six. The best previously in his career was one point eight. Oh, but that was a shortened season. Last year is in a full season. Two point one six was the walk rate.

Home run per nine way down at zero point six eight. The babbit certainly less than ever, but not like a crazy batman. Babbitt was still over three hundred. Yes, it was less than um any time his career um ever, but still not a crazy wild babit. Let my base presentage, not crazy whole run a fly ball ratio. He's a big number for you, less than ever at eleven percent. Patrick Corbyn was phenomenal last year, but Frank, as you like to point out, we don't care about last year.

We care about projecting this year and beyond. What do you think about Patrick Corban in nineteen? Where is he going? What does everybody think? And most importantly to me, what do you think so Patrick corbyan people are buying in and you have to pay a pretty penny to to be in on Patrick Corban this year with an ADP of fifty point zero nine. Some other starting pitchers that are going just behind him include James Paxton, Jamison Tyne,

Steven Strassburg, Mike Clevinger, Zak Ranky, Jack Flaherty. Those are the five six that are going right behind Patrick Corban. Seems like, just just judging what you said, it seems like the right spot to be fair. Yeah, based on how he perfor one last year. And look, he's going to a better park. He's going to Washington. It's a better Pictures park. Even last year the park factors or Chase Field, I mean, there were more runs, there were more home runs there. Uh. He doesn't have to pitch

in Colorado anymore a couple of times per year. He doesn't have to pitch against the Rockies anymore. He's moving over to Washington and the N East where he's gonna get to face to Miami Marlins. He pitches in a better ballpark. He's gonna get to face the Mets, which they've completely revamped their lineup. I don't know that their murderers row by any means um. The Phillies have a very good lineup um, and then the Braves have a

pretty good lineup as well. So it's a little bit hot and cold they're pitching in in the N E East. I like the ballpark, you get the Marlins, you get the Mets, but you also do have to pitch against the Braves and the Phillies, which I don't really like all of that much. Patrick Corbyn last year basically developed a slider which was otherworldly in terms of like picture

pitch values fan crafts. Fan Grafts has this thing pitch values UM, where they basically wait how great a pitch was for I mean they taken to as many factors as you can think of. You know, how many whiffs you get, how effective the pitches in terms of batting average against, slugging percentage, isolated power. According to them, his slider was the fourth best pitch in all of baseball last year among starting pitchers, it was the it was the best. It was the second best slider in all

of baseball, behind only Max Scherzer. My problem with this slider is he did throw it more. He threw it about three percent more than a year before. He threw the pitchty eight percent of the time. Last year he

threw the pitch forty one percent of the time. But the thing is, if you look even deeper, and what I've read about it is that it didn't change that drastically the pitch itself in terms of how much movement it had, in terms of veloc at e. How much depth he was getting on the pitch the pitch, so it didn't move all that much and only threw it about three four percent more than the year of four.

Yet his results were drastically drastically different. So that gives me a little bit of concern there, because buying in on that pitch, if it if by all like means it didn't change all that much. Why are we trusting it? So I could be an anomaly? No, so I don't think so. Like to me, when you tell me that and you give me that stat I don't think it's an anomaly because I was looking at his game logs and yeah, yeah, I mean he had a slump in May,

but like it was pretty consistent throughout the year. What I'm wondering is, Frank, just as Patrick Corby has gotten older, maybe the pitch selection just got better. Maybe he was able to hide it a bit more. Maybe he was able to just learn how to pitch and understand when

to use the slider more. He used it only three or four percent more, but like when to use it rather than kind of just throwing it Whenever I see this, what you're telling me as a sign of a maturing picture and a guy that maybe has just figured out how to pitch a little bit. That could definitely be the case. And look, the underlying factors are like the skills I'm telling you downstairs. When I was looking into

Patrick Corbin today, there was a lot to like. Yeah, when we referenced FHIP and x fit, these are eer A indicators which take into account so it means so, so what does it mean FHIP is feeling independent pitching? What and what difference between HIP and x fit. So the difference between PHIP and x fit is basically it takes out defense as a factor. It's basically a weighted scale like what your EERA should be if your defense was league average or and that's what makes it lower

or higher than your earing. It tries to take fielding as a variable out of the r A. It tells you what your EARA should be like fielding were in

a variable and XFIT basically does. It creates your ear A what your ear A should be based on a league average home run to flyball ratio, So taking kind of I guess luck or luck or unluckiness out of the equation when it's when it comes to how many home runs you gave up, and that's why you'll hear a guy like Massa Heiro Tanaka might have a four e ar A and his x FIT is going to be like three point two because his home run the flyball ratio is much higher than everyone else because he

pitches in the Yankee city, right, So it tries to take some of these things which are not really controlled by the picture, like the defense behind them or basically where they pitch and how many home runs they're allowing their home run the flyball ratio. It kind of it takes those things out as variables and tells you how lucky or unlucky picture was. What do you like? I use a combination of everything because I don't you know,

I know more. Dickie used to come on and say he liked ex fit more, right, So you know I'd like to take There's fifth, there's x FI, there's SIERRA, which is skill interactive e r A, which takes more into account, uh, the skill of your of specific pitches and stuff. So like you could take all these different e r A indicators, and you know, I'll use all of them. I'm not just gonna use one of them. You know, there's one whole weight more than the other. Like it depends who you ask. You could ask ten

people and get ten ten different answers. So I try and use as many of these, you know, e r A indicators as I possibly can. So I'm gonna look at FIP X, FIP Sierra, and then I'm also gonna look at the r A and kind of see how they compare. Just because pictures FIP or x fit is lower all the time doesn't mean that the e r A is ever gonna get there either. Look at a guy like Chris Archer, right as good as everyone wants Chris Archer to be and you might have this image

in your head of Chris Archer being awesome. The past two or three years, his ear A has been over four every single season is fipping. His x FIP are much lower than his r A. That reminds me. That reminds me of John Gray stipping. If people remember, I mean me and Florio that that was probably one of the most polarizing players him and Joann Makata. Remember we got into like shouting matches last year over John Gray

and Joan Moncada. John Gray, I mean, yeah, he'd be great if you pitched in the next FIP league, But he pitches in coors Field, so at some point changing, At some point you gotta kind of like take the sample for what it is. Like if it's happened for three or four years out of his career, it's more of a trend something that you should trust. But anyway, digress, just trying to get into like FIP and next FIP. Patrick Corban's ear A last here was three point one five.

He was very, very good. He was a cy young candidate. He was amazing. It's two hundred forty strikeouts, two six strikeouts and two and he's pitched. His FIP was two point four seven, his x FIT was two point six one. So based on variables that might be out of Patrick Corbyn's control, his ear RA should have been even better than what it was. There's a lot of good and bad. I mean, his caper nine over eleven last year, his walks two point one six, one of the best marks

of his career. Those numbers, Greg, they got even better in the second half. His his caper nine in the second half went up two, I believe in the first half it was right around ten. In the second half was like eleven and a half, and his walks for nine were under two. He was phenomenal and he and he's still got you know, forty eight percent groundballs. One of the things you do have to worry about. His hard hit rate or you one point seven percent last year,

so he's giving up a lot of hard contact. It was the second most along starting pitchers last season, behind only Cole Handles. You don't really afew Cole Hamiles is like one of the best starting pitchers in the league. Anymore so if your hard hit rate is you know, ranging up there amongst some of the highest in the league with a guy like Cole Hamiles. I mean, you gotta take all these things into account, like you have to pay a fourth fifth round price tech for Patrick

Corban is here. You want to know, am I gonna get the picture of who pitch last year? Am I gonna get anything close to it? Something else that jumps off the screen to me? Greg the fastball velocity nine point eight miles per hour last year two point four And that was the thing that we noticed the first month of the season. Remember he was pitching and then we kind of went through this stretch where we were

really worried about because he was pitching eighty nine. He was touching nine, but he was consistently like below ninety. So him throwing the slider forty one percent of the time, and by all accounts, what people say about the slider as a pitch in baseball is it puts It puts more torque on your arm than any other pitch. Who's to say him throwing his sliderent of the time, it's kind of messing with his arm, you know, devaluing the

fastball he has had before. Why don't just want to note that, Yes, but look as good as everything was. I like Patrick Corbin, but I'm I'm a skeptic. That's that's how I will label what I'm seeing from last year. And I liked him last year because he was going outside the top thirty starting pitchers. You're getting him at a good value. It doesn't mean like if you haven't been a keeper or dynasty. Yes, you could still be excited about him if you have him at a good value.

Fourth fifth round with some of those other names that I mentioned. And I haven't done my starting picture ranking, so you know, come March, I'll know whether or not I like Patrick Corbin at that value at starting picture. But as of right now, I'm a skeptic. There's a lot that I liked. He got more he he looked. The skills definitely improved. He was getting more swinging strikes, he was, you know, pounding the zone in terms of first pitch strike percentage. He was getting a head in

the count, he was getting people to chase. He had a thirty eight percent outside swing rate last year. Um, by all means that slider was absolutely legit. But I just questioned, why why was it so good if the movement on it didn't change, If you only use it three or four percent more than the year before. Why was it so much better? And to me, if there's no evidence, it strikes me as an anomaly. And then you put on top the hard hit rate and the

fastball of velocity being down. With Patrick Corbin, I'm a skeptic. It's a high price to pay in the fourth, fifth round. So the one word, if I'm understanding, the one word you would use to describe Patrick Corban, I think it would make this a thing. By the way, I'm always gonna sum it up with one word. The one word that you would use to subscribe to describe Patrick Corban

is skeptical. Yeah, And it almost seems unfair to say, because there is there is a lot to like, but there's a lot that jumps off the screen screen in terms of, you know, things that you should worry about. Two the guys that you the guys that you just named, Jameson, tie On, James Paxton, Zach Grinky. Where does how would you rank those guys? How where Patrick Corbyn fall among those players? Yeah? Paxton, I might want more skeptical on Paxiston, Yeah,

Paxston is we talked about Paxxton and got scared off. Yeah, the fact that you know, he was pitching to more fly Bowl contacts. He's going into Yankee Stadium. Yes, he got more strikeouts last year, but he did allow you know, more hard contact. He's moving from Safeco Fields Yankee Stadium. Um. Yeah, I mean he might be better on like a per start basis than Patrick Corbyan might have more upside in that regard, But Patrick Corban did just go two innings,

so he's probably a little bit more. It's probably a little bit safer than James Paxton. Um, Jamison Tyne, I really, I gotta, I gotta do my homework on on Jamison ty one because he started throwing a slider last year for the first time, and I've tweeted out these numbers before, and basically once he started throwing that slider consistently, he was a high two's, low three's e r A kind

of picture. The thing is like he didn't have close to the same upside that Patrick Corbin, Like he wasn't getting like eleven case for now, he was gonna like nine case for nine. He was getting a strikeout per ning. Um, So I like him. I think he's very solid. I think No. Forty five to fifty. I'm saying brown ball rate for Tywn. I like him a lot. Yeah, I gotta do more. I gotta do. I would say it's right now, if you're drafting right now. I'm skeptical, Pett,

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the Riverville before we get into Charlie Morton. Uh. San Francisco Giants has met with Bryce Harper in Ves their owner general manager um and of course puspose you were there. And then afterwards they went to Scott Forces Private Jet and for Hansiety and um Brest met for a while. Guy's a rich man. They'll total money. Obviously they were waste your time though, like why do you waste everyone's John's are not signing with Greg. I mean, look at

the state of that organization. I mean they need to just tear it down and start over, because I mean you look at the money that like Evan Longoria is owed over the next couple of years. Madison bomb Garner is entering a contract year. They still have Johnny Quato on the books. They don't have a good farm system

at all. So like the state of the San Francisco Giants I know that they went through you know, I would consider them and probably the Red Sox unfortunately, the two baseball teams that you might consider a dynasty in in this millennium. Because what the Giants have won the three World Series. I mean, they were great. And the thing is a lot of those players got old. They've moved on. I mean Buster Posey's and the player that

he once was. By the way, speaking of the Giants kind of up to the Christian Royo is like not good. It was injured a lot last years. Maybe we end up being good. He's in Tampa Bay now. He was traded in the trade, so he was the fever top prospects. You're talking about their prospects not being good, but they've I don't know if Christian Royal is ever gonna get

a shot. That's that's what I'm saying. So disappointing. I felt like he could have been a good player, but he never really had a tool that was kind of jumped off the page for like a fantasy perspectively. He wasn't a guy that hit three fifty in the minors. He didn't have big power, he didn't see a lot of basses. He kind of did everything, like all right, I think he just kind of got hyped up because

he was the best in the Giants organization. But their their farm was terrible, So it's like, what does that mean if you're the best in a bad farm. You see the Yankees a lot, right, their price projects get hyped up because it was the best they had in a terrible, terrible and for a long time, Like there was a ten year stretch where Yankees farm system was brutal, killer bees, right, Benuelos, but Tantas turned into a great reliever. He was supposed to be a starting pitcher, and so

is Mariann Rivera. So it doesn't necessarily count. But like a lot of a lot of the these hyped up guys, you really have to take it into it's a context. Just because you're the best prospect in an organization, the organization is a bad farm system. It really just doesn't matter. By the way, I'm totally gonna be back in Garcia with the race. I know, I am why I can't quit him one of these guys. Good place, that's a good place to continue going here. Absolutely, that's that's kind

of why I'm here. See what I did that looking at your looking at the roster resource pagers. M yes, you can back roster resource and use it all. I just wanted to see what was going on with that, Like Austin Meadows, Like I could definitely see myself buying in Austin's fun. They're always fun. Tyler Glass now I want to talk about at some point like Glass will be good. Medca distracted him like the eleventh round, which

seems kind of early. But yeah, if there's a guy that I trust when it comes to starting pitching, it's Modica. You mean, you know the past couple of years when he's had a guy, that guy has been awesome. Last year it was Garret Cold The year before that it was James Paxson last year too, like Modica when it comes to pitching. I mean, so if you don't mind him Monday asking him number one, who that guy is? This year number two asking about Tyler Glass now, I

really appreciate it. I want to get a stought on Patrick Corbin too, because now I've I piqued my own interest. Sure, I want to know how other people feel about I just want you to ask those questions for me, last now and last now, and who this guy is who is like this year's Paxton is that we'll talk about whatever draft he's doing right now. Yeah, obviously he used to like knowing everybody who's gonna take that. He was taking this guy in a million drafts. I don't know

who that is yet. So well also, but like I also should really should realize and note that this Monday starts Mondays with Modica. It doesn't end Mondays of Modica. That just starts in right. Yeah, hopefully we can have him on every Monday as a regular guest, and it doesn't have to be the entire show, but get him on for us anything. I just need to know. I need to talk to the Raise made a rare big ticket signing this offseason where they signed Charlie Wharton up

for two years and a ton of money. Charlie money. That when you see big ticket though, that's like it's a lot of money in like two years, twenty million really not that big of a two years. Thirty million was off by ten. It's a big difference. Fifteen million dollars a a v for a thirty five year old picture. All right, Yeah, I mean you don't normally see Tampa Bay make a move like that. Yeah, two years thirty millions signed anybody we usually signed like somebody for like

very little money. Yeah, like they were many exactly. No Tampa Bay, nothing like this, No that. Charlie Morton everything knows the story right, Like guys thirty five years old, he's been around the league forever. Uh. When he went from the Braves of the Pirates, like all right, right serious, I like, I like, what's happening here? Didn't really happen. And then he went over to the Astros and like, okay, used to the Astros, Now what can happen? Well? In

seventeen he went fourteen and seven. Um, his CAPER nine was was always good. With the tenny started walking less people. E r A very was very good. It was good at three point six to last year even better, he went fifteen and three. Caper nine went up to ten point eight three. Walks also went up to three point four five. The e r A really went down at three point one three, although the X fIF and FIP remained right around where his e R A was a

year ago. Charlie Morton is a thirty five year old guy that's kind of leading the confines of Houston and goes over to Tampa, and it makes you a little bit nervous. But where he's going, which is where Frank, he is going at pick one two. He's the thirty

second starting pitcher off the board right now. So as the thirty second pitcher off the board, it's not like you're paying the exorbitant amount of hime or anything like that, but you're wondering if he could be what he's been in the last two years or be what it was the two years prior to that, where he had an over four e r A in both of these seasons with Philadelphia four point eight one and fifteen four point one five. I'll buy an excellent FIP and x FIP

in s who is the real Charlie Morton? Frank, who is the real Charlie Morton? Well, that's what we're gonna have to figure out because Houston, basically, for all intensive purposes, they've turned into the new Pittsburgh Pirates in terms of taking a starting pitcher and making said starting pitcher amazing.

Right justin Verlander as great as he was, he you know, he had a few seasons where he's kind of he he bounced back with Detroit, but never to the level that he's done with Houston, and then you see a guy like Derek Cole also go over to the Houston Astros again. He had a few fine seasons with the Pittsburgh Pirates, and he was a former top prospect and was supposed to be amazing but kind of ran into some tough times with Pittsburgh. Goes over to Houston last

year amazing. The same thing happened with Charlie Morton the past two seasons from eight from two thousand eight to two thou fifteen, greg four point five four e r A six point to eight ks per nine, three point three eight walks per nine. He was basically a pitch to contact fifty groundball guy. Uh fastball change, curveball, change up through his fastball sixty six percent at the time, only through his curveball through a change up nine since.

One of the biggest differences that we've seen six miles per hour from two thousand eight to two thousand fifteen on his fastball six a seven point seven percent swinging strike grade for all his pitches the past two seasons is bastball velocity has been point four miles as he's gotten older. As he's gotten older and we've heard that a philosophy of the Houston Astros has come out, something that they tell their pictures to do. It was basically, throw the ball as hard as you can, like, don't

worry about it. We were not worried about you know, if you got to go in the dyel at some point and you've seen that the past couple of years. For Charlie Morton, you can't really project him for more than a hundred and fifty hundred and six. It's basically where he's been. But hey, when you're on the field, when you're on that mound, we want you to throw the ball as hard as possible. But we we did see a little bit of that before he went to Houston.

Do you remember that season Gregg back in two thousand and sixteen, he joined the Phillies for about four starts and he um, I've forgot what the injury was, but he suffered a season ending injury. That preseason, everyone was kind of talking to Charlie Morton like, this guy is throwing with serious velocity as part of the Phillies organization. This is something that we were already starting to see

even before he joined Houston. For whatever reason, whoever he worked with his fastball shot up to ninety four miles per hour in and only four starts with the Phillies, but it was something that people were legitimately talking about throughout the spring training UH that year, and his swinging strike create went up to twelve percent, so we were

already starting to see this change. Um. The biggest change another change that I've seen in you know, early Charlie Mooreton to the past two seasons is he throws his curveball nine percent of the time rather than so it's up nine percent the past two years. And then um, he also throws a cutter now eight point six percent of time. He really has like four different like iterations

of a fastball. He has a four steamer, he has a cutter, a sinker, and he has a split fastball that he throws as well, so he has four different fastballs. He throws a very effective curveball. Um, he limits hard contact. You know, he's been you know under thirty two the past couple of seasons, and he carried that over to Tampa Bay. If there, I said this to venture downstairs, if there was one organization that Probabie Morton could change

to going away from Houston. To me, I would want it to be Tampa because they are a forward thinking organization. They have, you know, one of the better analytics departments, going from you know, starting uh closer relievers last year, having the opener, and then kind of like throwing everybody off, getting the most out of a guy like Blake Snell, you know, getting him on track, turning him into a cy Young Award winner the way that they did. If there was one organization that he could go to, I

like the fact that he went to Tampa. With all that being said, the change in division, he has to pitch against the Red Sox, he's gotta pitch in Fenway, He's gotta go to Yankee Stadium. I still do like Charlie Morton, and I still think that he can be a good source of strikeouts. I think the ear a rises a little bit. I think it's a fair projection. I don't know that he's in the three four, three five range. Maybe he's more three six three seven now this year, Greg, but I do think that he'll still

be a source of strikeouts this year. Um over a strikeout for ending, I think he could be close to ten. He's still gonna walk some guys. But the whip the past couple of years has still been pretty good. It's been under one point to zero the past couple of years. I think, you know, three point six three point seven ear a one point to one point to five whip is fair? Is it worth the thirty second starting pitcher off the board? I could probably find guys that I

like better. I think he's a better roto pitcher. I think he's a better head to head categories pitcher because uh in in points leaves, you want guys that are gonna be durable. They are gonna give you ennings, gonna go deep into their starts. I do think probably more in his more in that mold of like a rich Hill. What did Mike always say about Rich Hill? He's a great roto picture because of what he does on a per start basis. That's That's how Charlie Morton strikes me.

I tend to agree with you. I'm just nervous as he continues to get older, as he does change leases in the A L. East. Now, I'm concerned about the injuries, are concerned about what that workload will be like with the Rays now with Blake Snell listen, let him throw a hundred pitches every time out and it wasn't a thought process like Blake Snell was treated as a normal

starting picture for the most part. Will they treat Charlie Morton like that, you'd hope so after giving him two years or thirty million dollars um, I have considered Charlie Morton. I like him, I don't love him. Frank he would give me one word described Morton, would it be? Mm hmm? The first thing that came to my mind was surprising, But I think that's just like how he's been the past couple of years. It's not really how I feel

about him heading into this year. I put this as one of the options on the pole for today and involving Charlie Morton, man, and that's how I feel about him. Okay, he'll he'll still be a good source of strikeouts on a per start basis. I do like that. But again, I think the ear a jumps a little bit the fact that he has to say Aston New York or he has to see the Yankees more. I mean these

are now obviously well ultimately that comes to nation as well. Yeah, Well, he's always faced a d H being with the ashows. Oh that's forgot that unbelieving. I think the ear a rises a little bit. I think he's more than like the three six or three seven range. He is a serviceable starting pitcher under hundred sixty and he's pitch. Would you really want them for is the strikeouts? But me personally, I'm not expecting the same Charlie Morton that we've seen

the past two years. With that, we're gonna sid off of YouTube for today, Corey, Jim and Venture. They're up next Fantasy Football Frenzy. I think, come your way next rate, subscribe, like and leave a comment please five stars. We sincerely appreciate it. Before we get to Wade Miley, I do want to go to the phone lines here, Frank and four four nine go to Kevin in Missouri. How are

you doing? Guys? Hey? Sorry to call back, but um, the twenty nine team chief schedule has came out and I do not get why are we playing in New England again? That is ridiculous, I think, And you know what, it's our turn for them to come to Arrowhead and play us that Arrowhead in a regular game. You know. With with the Patriots schedule, they're gonna go play at Buffalo and they're gonna go play Cincinnati Bengals, Like, okay, what's the deal with that? That is not a game

at all. They need somebody that they can go to and try to be at their home stadium, not no team that cannot play football. The chief get rigged every season. And this is why the Chiefs have not been to Super Bowls because that you know, the NFL is rigged, or or you know, they weren't good enough in the last game of season against the Patriots at home at our head stadium. Other one record this year as well,

So aren't they going to face a tougher schedule? I I do hear what you're saying about how they had to to travel to face the Patriots this past year. They lost a home We're not talking about the playoffs. I don't care. You can't tell me it's rigged against these Chiefs when they were at home in the playoffs they lost. The deal is as though, is you know, yeah we lost. Yeah, teams screw up, but it's a new year. We're ready for them to come play at Arrowheads.

It's not because it's not because they're screwing them. There's a there's a reason for that. I don't know the reason and when it was the NFL schedule scheduling, but there is a reason, um of why you play which team is home in a way I can look that up and I will. I tweeted it out. Um, there is a reason for it's not getting screwed there. There's there is some logic behind that. Four six eight four

eight four three six eight seven nine. Uh, Frankie, we have a couple of minutes left and that's enough to justify Wade Miley. H Wade Miley. Uh came out of the brew was midways through the year. Listen, way Mile He's not exciting for anybody, but he's awesome for the Brewers, and he turned that into a contract this year at the Astros and he's starting picture in the Astros. We're talking about we're gonna get into some of their younger guys um coming up in the upcoming weeks. What do

you think about Wade Miley? So, Wade Miley, he's gotta First of all, he's got a DP in the month of February of four sixty, so you know he's basically going for nothing if you play in these NFBC leads he has jumped, but you're getting him super late. I do think that any time a picture does, you know, move over to the Houston Astros, you have to be at least somewhat intrigued. And they've already talked about how they're gonna let him throw that cutter as much as

he did last year. I know he threw it like forty one percent of the time. That was by far a career high for him, whereas you know in eleven percent of the time and that pitch was very effective for him. So a career high forty two percent cutter usage last year for Wade Miley. I'm intrigued to see what more the Houston Astros can get out of him. Do I have great expectations for him? No. He had a two point five seven e r A last year at the Brewers with the with a caper nine under

six and three walks per nine. It's fit with three point five nine. His ex fit was four point three zero and still gave up a lot of hard contact. So it's not just oh, any picture that goes to Houston is automatically going to become great, but and Houston kind of get the most out of him, and you know, use that cutter a lot, and you know, have him throw the ball as hard as he possibly can and and get the most out of his secondary pitches as well.

And he can pitch too. I don't know an e r A under four at pick four sixty right now in the NBC. I think that's certainly doable. I think he could be an ear A under four guy. Kenny, Yeah, I mean getting picked at four sixty three. I mean because you literally don't think no people are gonna get excited about him, especially if he does anything in spring training. It's just for the fact that he's moving over to Houston. And I mean you have realistic expectation as you just

in with Charlie Morton. All Heaston asked you to do is air it out and wait by I could air it out. There could be something level of interest there every good reason. Fransies up, Naxt, Corey, Jim and of course Ventcher. Thanks everybody downstairs, Frank Stamford and Gregg Susman's doing long in tomorrow, we hope