New time, same BFFs: Auction draft primer, DailyRoto's Mike Leone, and more...

You're listening and Fantasy Sports Radio Network, Fantasy Best Friends Forever, m Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do do it do YEA. This as the Fantasy Best Friends Forever here on the Fantasy Sports Radio Network alongside for Reggie Sample, I am Greg Sauceman. For what's going on? Not much, Greggy. It's noon, still times, new times, same guys. You're listening on to man not like change right, Absolutely, We're we're still here, it's right, but we're in a new time

every day. If you're watching live on YouTube two hours earlier, which is pretty which is pretty cool. So we now lead in the frenzy instead of coming after frenzy. Yeah, the only sad part is we will have to end about five or six minutes ago. You have the end about five, you know, six minutes earlier. So but the big deal. You know you still catch the entire show live on to man, that's cool for sure. Yes, we're on Greedy. How's your weekend? Uh? We it was weird, weird.

I had my auction draft yesterday and I did not go to plan. We're gonn talking about it throughout the show today. Mike Leonie will be on the program today. Uh, coming up eating about twenty minutes or show from now, because we I have a brand new df AS optimizer over at Daily Roader dot com. And it's not a brand new optimizer, it's just kind of redone. There's new things added to it and optimized. There you go. Dred dick Meyer gives it a fantastic how to video, which

is available now on our YouTube page. It was exactly what you should be doing, and leon is gonna you threw the walkthrough and and he's gonna talk to me about my auction team. Obviously that helps too because I'm very interested in using the optimizer as well. So I want to get all the information as I possibly could to have a a fruitful DFCS in Greggy. Yeah all right, Um, so how's your weekend? Apologizing get a wedding over the weekend? Yeah, it was fun. I went to Andy Singleton at People's

Pen on Twitter, our guy from fan tracks. I went to his wedding this Saturday. It was in bay Ridge, Brooklyn. It was great. It was a really good time. Um yeah, lots dancing, lots of drink, food, ton of people, over three people. It's by for the biggest way I've ever been to in my life. But that was a great time.

So shout out to any Singleton, congress to him. We have to have him on the show soon enough as well, and I feel like we should just knock this out off the top for like five wrestling listener watchers better here. Summer Slam was not good. No, it was not made balls during it. That was actually delicious. The next he was much better and he was awesome. Man, Oh sec I mean to me, the cool match is still my favorite. Like that was my favorite match of the show for sure,

because it was really really fun. Summer Slam was weird. It was just weird. It's very long. I'm really happy ending go because it's really really long. Um, but it's fun. Whatever. Yeah, Okay, that's it. That was my whole weekend. Um, Okay, so here we go my auction draft. This today's shows me an auction primary, right, like we thought every day about snake drafts, and the rest of the week, we'll do

the wide receiver ranking strategy. Everything we do running backs last week, We'll do wide receivers the rest of the week. And we have our big draft on Saturday, so we'll get into that on Friday. But today was supposed to be my auction draft. But because people kind of change their schedules around, we were able to do it on Sunday morning at nine am, and it's a weekend. You don't have to be uplate. It made a lot more sense to do it at that time. I don't know

if I wasn't ready. I feel like I was ready, But this everything changed, Dude, everything changed. I'm so used to I've said that so many times. I've written it in a book, that you want to be aggressive early because the prices will the prices. People aren't so excited to spend money early, So you want to get you know, that first wide receiver in this year, you get you know on that first running back in this year because everybody else is going to be higher. But that didn't

happen in my draft on Sunday. Usually a lot of people wind up saving their money and there's no unbelievable deals. Everybody knows. I love the wide receiver threes this here, the Robert Woods here, the Emmanuel Sanders to here. I've talked about that incessantly. We'll do it again later this week. Okay, all those guys went for nothing because what we had the money left. So one guy had money and he

swept all over them up. Usually I'm one of those guys that have a balanced team and not a stars and scrub guy, but I usually have a balanced team. Became very clear yesterday, very very early, um that that was not gonna be the case yesterday, and I'm gonna get into it right now. So the first player nominated yesterday it was Melvin Gordon. So what we say, and we're the tenth ranked running back. Whatever he is, he's

he's in the nine, eight, whatever doesn't matter. So and I was really happy he was the first person nominated because then it was just like he's he's my eight. Okay, So that was gonna be a good idea. Like, my thought was he'd be a really good price because there were still seven other guys or six other guys that were available. Now, how much are you willing to pay for Melvin Gordon? Okay? Interesting? How much of me? Melvin Gordon went for two auction budget? Uh? Over fifty? Over fifty?

Is that a good price? And so he went? So he went for fifty five. I had budgeted him in my ideal world, I had budgeted him for fifty bucks because I had the highest guys going for in the sixties is close to and I thought he would go in the pitty box. Maybe you got a deal on him, you go high forty something like that. So we went fifty five. I'm like, whoa, that's a lot for Melvin Gordon comparatively what everybody else will go for. The problem

was everybody went for that. So everybody above Melvin Gordon in my rankings, I have Cream Haunt above him, Cream Haunt, se Quon Barkley, I'm a Camara, is he hell Elliot, David Johnson, lady On Beltag Gurley. They all go for above milk. Melvin Gordon did, and they should and they should that's fine, but that they set like that oxen floor. They set that floor for the tier, so you knew at the rest of that tier and these elite running backs,

and this is what you know. People sometimes will ask us, like, how come you don't talk about auction enough. You don't talk about how much players are worth. You really just have to have a range and you have to be able to adapt to your auction. Right, So we could sit here and tell you before say, people had an auction last weekend and Friday, we came in and said, all right, you know, Melvin Gordon, we have him budgeted

at around fifty dollars. Don't spend more than that. If you didn't do that, then you didn't end up with an elite running back. And I didn't and I didn't and that wasn't because I didn't budget properly. Because again, Melvin Gordon was the first kind of the boards I could he easily just grab another one of these guys,

even if I was surprised at the price. But the fact that none of them exploded into the not the deep sixties, but like there's just that more people were willing to spend money than normal on the running back position because there's so few running backs. I guess, for whatever reason surprised me because you know, quickly after Melvin Gordon was nominated, Antonio Bratt was nominated. And normally the best wide receiver I think goes somewhere in the sixties.

He was. He was third. He was the third player nominated. And as I've said many many times, the first wide receiver there in that tier is going to go for the cheapest. I have said that over and over and over again. So I got an Antonio Brown right like all right, I had him. I thought he would go for fifty nine. He was at fifty eight. I bid was half PPR half PPR, and I got him Antonio Brown fifty eight dollars. Okay, fine, imparative to Melvin Gordon Atti,

I would say, that's a solid deal. But it was fine there there was It was not a good deal. Wasn't a bad deal? Was it's adequate? I would say. Now here's what later became the issue. So David Johnson, is he here Elliott fifty and fifty seven respectively? Again what they should have gone for. But if I had my drawings, I probably would have rather had one of those guys at that price. Fine, it's still Antonio Brown. It's my first round pick. I'm not complaining. But again,

he was the first wide receiver in that tier. I was interested to see what the next guy would go for. So the next guy in that tier was Odell Beckham Jr. Okay, fine, And I had to figure that Odell Beckham Jr. This is three picks later, Odell would get up there. If I've had fifty eight, four by one, fifty eight dollars Antonio Brown. I figured Odell would go for fifty plus. Let's say he's got fifty he's not fifty one, like this is This isn't right. So I've been fifty two.

I got him. Not that I was, and I wasn't bidding. I really wasn't bidding because I was trying to price and force. I said it fifty two to me, Odell Beckham Junior is a good deal, and that's why I've been on him. To me, it sounds more so like a price and force. It wasn't it. Really, It really really wasn't based on everything you just said, right, because you got you said, Antonio Brown for whatift eight? So it was it was a price and force. But a

price I was still comfortable pay. Yeah, that's fine. Fine, Oh yeah, because that that has happened to me in home auctions as well. But I wouldn't have done it if I wasn't comfortable. The thing is, can you price in force when it's elite players like this, which is which is ultimately what you ended up figuring out, which seems towards yes. I thought. My thought was, yeah, you could you make sure he gets up there? And he didn't, and I was it. I want him, so I don't.

I have no problem spending what dollars on two players, I mean ten dollars over my budget, but like, fine, that's I can switch that. It was getting the two elite wide receivers that I didn't plan. I wanted one elite running back, one elite wide receiver, and then figure everything out else out because then I can um and then I can basically manage the rest of the way. But now I had to release a tight because like I didn't care about all the other wide receivers that

went off the board. I needed a running back and I'm just talking about my team, and I get that I'll get everybody else's team. Later on in the show, but then Julio Jones comes up and to me, there's four elite, elite guys maybe Antonio Brown, my himself and the other three. There's four guys. As four guys, I think Julio Jones is next. He goes for fifty bucks less than Odell. The last wide receiver out of those four was DeAndre Hopkins. I'm like, all right, this is

the last one. The last one always gets pumped up. And I had walked when I was walking into the draft and like, you know what, I feel like people are sleeping on Hopkins. I think he's a probably a good deal. You were for fifty bucks less than O'Dell and less than Antonio Brown. And I'm like, damn it, that's crazy. So the next tier for me is Michael Thomas, Keenan Allen, and Davante Adams. Michael Thomas and again I got O'Dell for fifty two, Michael Thomas forty seven. I'm like,

mm hmm, it's five dollars. Maybe maybe it's right Davante Adams, who I have arguably next, maybe once maybe Keenan Allen between them, Davante Adams forty four. I'm like, that's a good one. But clearly people felt differently than I did that the tier wasn't just them, because then you had A J. Green and keen all and go off the board. Keenan Allen was last out of these guys. A J. Green went for fifty two dollars same one dollar lesson Odell,

three two dollars more than Julio and DeAndre Hopkins. Keenan Allen, who I guess everybody felt, was the last of that tier, went for fifty five dollars, the second highest price receiver. And after that, after those eight guys were off the board, then came the drop. Mike Evans was only thirty seven dollars and that and that was the drop right there. Again.

I didn't want Mike Evans. I don't like Mike Evans, that's fine, but that price appeared to who I have a J. Green the same tier fifty two and thirty seven. It is a huge difference. So here's I didn't see any of this. Given the way everything shaped out, I think you have to feel pretty good about what you spent on Odell Beckham. Overall, you spent fifty two. Keenan Allen ends up going for more. A J. Green goes for the same price. Yes, Davante Adams might have been

had at a discount. But I think this is what we say of often about Auxens Greg is that clearly people knew that the end of this elite wide receiver tire, which is like the first and second round wide receivers, really a J Green Keenan Allen. They saw the end of that tier coming, and that's when those guys got boosted up. They didn't necessarily see Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins as like the end of that elite wide receiver tier.

They saw a J. Green and Keenan Allen at the at the at the end of that wide resire t Here, here's what I'll say is, yes, I agree with you that most times you want to jump in on the first elite player of a tier, or like the first player of that tier that's being thrown out there. You did so on Antonio Brown. I will also say, I think it makes sense to also get in on the middle of that tier two, because then that's where you could have came in on like a Michael Thomas, uh

Davante Adams something like that. Whereas I think I think you'll agree now that you somewhat price and force Odell Beckham, but for the prices that those other guys went for, I think you got him at a fair price, So I don't think it's all that bad. I agree. I agree with that. I think where I if I could do it over again instead of spending the fifty if I haven't spent a fifty two dollars instead of spending it on Odell Beckham in the fifty two player. Here's

a problem the fifty two dollar player. The running back was Leonard four Nette. He went earlier, and I thought he was gonna be the four net was gonna be the deal. He wasn't. He went fifty two dollars. Dalvin Cook went fort. Would I rather have Odell or Dalon Cook personally? In a vacuum, I'd rather have Odell and that that's me, That's my preference, totally right. I'd rather

have O'dellvin, Dalvin Cook. Every other running back, Hunt Barkley, Kmara, Elliott, Johnson, Bell Gurley, every one of them went for more than that fifty two dollars. So I didn't see that coming necessarily. I didn't see all of these running backs going for this much. I read the market wrong, and that's completely on me, completely on me. So those are your top

ten guys in both running backs and wide receivers. That was my biggest takeaway from this is that I did not see all of these high guys going for this much money. Not that guys don't go for a lot of money. They do. But as I look at last year's results, the top running backs, you had the top two Johnson and Bell. Last year. Up for the next highest press running back was the Sean McCoy was fifty one. Everybody else in the forties, everybody else. The wide receivers.

The wide receivers were jobviously very popular last year. They went for the sixties and the fifties. I guess where I went wrong was that all the running backs are gonna go in the fifties. All the running backs were gonna go in the fifties. There were eight There were seven wide receivers that went for fifty year above. Last year. Running back wise, there were threes. That's ten players this year in my league there were all right nine running

backs to go over fifty year above. And how many wide receivers and I just say one, two or three, four, five, six, that's fifteen. So five more players went for over fifty and that that changed everything in my in my mind, UM, there were more deals to be had. There's more players that we're going to get into. UM. In case you're wondering that next tier of running backs for me, the second rounders, we did a whole show about last week.

DeVante Freeman, Christian McCaffrey, Jordan Howard. People saw them as a tier. Now. I as you know, I included jaredra Katon and Joe Mixon in that tier. Nobody else did that tier of Freeman, McCaffrey and Howard. Freeman went forty eight. McCaffrey went for both of those guys very even in people's minds, I was I wound up. I had to pay for Jordan Howard. He was the last guy on the board. In my mind, I paid forty five for Jordan Howard. I am not used to spending that much

money on three players. That is not how I operate. I felt a little traffic and needed one of these running backs because there was nobody left now, I had askt on Jeric McKinnon. I'll get to that in a little bit, UM, and we'll go over the craziest buy of the draft. We'll go through craziest non buys the draft, the whole deal. I know it's talking a lot, it's it's crazy auction. I'll talk about it Leone, as well as the DFS Optimized er over at Daily roado dot com.

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all that stuff leading enough to opening kickoff. But we've got stuff set up right now so you can start playing around with it, get used to it. It's gonna be a really great tool to help you make your lineups this season, all right. So so there you go, Leonie plugging away at the tools inside the Daily Rhodo package for NFL here this year. Um So I watched Drew's video over the next was last week. Whenever I got it that the about the optimizer, and to me,

what the best part of the video was. It was like ten minutes long, and like I'm not someone to sit in for an hour and watch a video on YouTube, but just but like for for ten minutes you can sit and learn how to win some money. What is the best part like about the Optimizer this year that has changed from last year? I think, well, everything is better. I feel like the lineups getting made a lot faster than they did last year. You've got a lot more

control over what you're doing. Last year, you know, it was a limited amount of players that you could plug into the pool. This year you can plug in all the players. But one of the things that I find

really cool is the ability to generate groups. So if I don't want to trust you, like if I don't want to just click a generic stack setting that says, oh, stack a QB with a wide receiver, I can go and make the group and saying okay, if a lineup gets made with Drew Brees, make sure you use one of Michael Thomas or Alvin Kamara, and you can do all these cool groups, which if you envision the way a game is gonna go, you can have you know,

a receiver coming back the other way. So they're playing Tampa week one, so maybe you want to say, if I use Drew Brees, also give me Mike Evans coming back the other way for Tampa Bay. So I think that's a really cool feature to help you generate a lot of lineups that make a lot of sense if you're envisioned envisioning certain types of game flows. The only what's going on? Man? Long time? No talk? Before I jump in on this optimized, I want to ask are you a fan of the Bahaman? I don't know who

the Bahaman? Well, they sing the song who let the Dogs Out? I did? I did think of that? Can you hear the dogs? I'm sorry, we want to see it in the shot. Now bring the dogs there. It's my neighbors dogs. Sometimes they just out of them out. Oh that's a little different. That's we would want that. Yeah, no, I can't. I can't bring him into the show. All right,

So Leon, I wanted to. I wanted to ask you because there's a lot of things going on with this optimize here again, you know, go out, go check out the video that Drew made. Um I noticed that. You know when looking through the players, the positions, you can sort by dec salary, by value, by points. Is there any one of those things that you specifically do when using the optimize the first do you just click on

value first and then see like all right? Based on the daily Rodal projections and the optimizer that this guy is the top value according to you know, what's going on here? Is that something that you do you normally sort out like points, value, decay, salary first? Is that, like, what do you do first when you go into the optimizer and you're starting to make your lines, what's the first thing that you do? I'm sartaing not value right away.

That's what I do. And what the value column is is we basically have determined a threshold based on salary

for how many points a player should score. So if they're you know, six thou dollars on fan duel, uh, it's a multiplier and then a fixed amount that we use to determine how many they should score, which really isn't important the whole the whole ideas, it takes their projection uh and subtracts that value threshold, so you can see, Okay, a value of six means they're going to score six more points then we would normally expect a player at this salary. And I think that's a really good way

to very quickly capture how you're gonna construct your rosters. Okay, a couple of cheap running backs are really high values this week, I'm gonna go cheap there, save some money. Then maybe I'll go to wide receiver and sort on total points because I know I've got my value at running back and I can afford some higher salaries to get in the raw total points there. So sorting out value is definitely the best way to get a quick overview, quick snapshot of what your roster construction is gonna look

like on a given week. While we're talking about value, if you want to take home a g p P, what are we looking for multiplayer wise? Because they normally say like, oh, you gotta like get three times your points. What are we looking for multiplayer wise when we're trying to trying to take home like a g p P during the fantasy football season. Yeah, I mean usually like in that three to four x territory, you want people

to have that type of ceiling. One thing we do is instead of saying like three acts four acts, will say something like, you know, two acts plus ten or something like that, because we do want a little bit of a higher ceiling for our expensive players. Whereas someone who's you know, say six k on FanDuel, you might not need a twenty four point ceiling. You know, eighteen points, uh might get it done for you. But generally in

that fashion, it's hard though too. You know, sometimes you get too focused on that three x four x multiplier. You just want to make, you know, smart teams that are well correlated and you know you can feel the upside of each individual in the lineup. But one thing that I'm working on right now that we're gonna have ready for week one. It's not out yet, but we're gonna have percentile outcomes for players. So you can say, Okay, David Johnson, you know this is his regular projection we have,

but here's his ninety centile projection. So that's going to give you a good idea on his ceiling. You can do that for all the other players. So I think that should be a really cool tool to help visualize the type of players you want to make in GPPs.

So to Mike Leone of Daily Rodo dot com, Mike, if you're a brand new DFS player and you're just trying to understand the basics, right, like I mentioned ninety ninety percentile and just like head blown, but like if you're just a player that's dabbling in ten bucks or so on a FanDuel or something like that, playing in a fifty fifty plane and double up. What's the one part of the optimizer that player needs to be like that, This is what I'm looking for. This is I'm gonna win.

We'll going back to what Frank asked me. I mean, you really want to sort on value, get a good idea of this slate. And also you can change, like toggle our settings so instead of viewing like when you first get there, there's a lot of fields because we've made a customizable. If you're very casual, you know you don't want to be looking at all these fields. You don't really care to change things. You want to go

with our default projections, So set it on basic. That using gonna give you the team total, the spread of the game, uh, some basic information to help you decide. Okay, you know I want to check this player and checked this player and then honestly the best thing to do is just run uh some lineups. You can just qut

you and go there right away. Just hit run and just run our default optimal lineups and sort of sift through them, see which guys are comfortable with not comfortable with, go back, maybe take some guys out increase some projections, but in general, if you're a casual player, you're just taking advantage of that value column. Those default projections drew and I put a ton of time into those each week. Um, I mean, it's a really it's a long process and

we're making sure we don't miss anything. We're making sure everything makes sense. So utilizing those default projections, I think, is gonna give you a lag up right away, even if you don't want to get into all the different customizable features. That can be overwhelming if you're just making a single lineup for a fifty fift game, well something that something. Yeah, it is overwhelming, and I'm glad you

brought that up. But it's funny because well I never understood and I do I ample the in the wrong. I'm doing so when I've used daily Roado in the past, and it optimizes me a line up, and whether there's basketball, whether it's football or not, it optimizes me a lineup. Like, why why shouldn't I just be like, all right, I'm

gonna plug that in. I'm gonna win. Like whenever I put my own opinions in it, We're like, I don't want Spencer gin with the in my line up and I pull him out because it keeps giving it to me, Like, isn't that going against everything that you're trying to tell me, Like, hey, this is what the optimizer says. I know I'm not comfortable with it, but isn't that kind of the point, like, hey, this knows better than I do. Yeah, that's a really

good question. And I do think there are some reasons why you wouldn't want to just hit run and just use that lineup without thinking like, hopefully that's going to be a pretty good line up, because that is our best lineup from the projections. But there's ranges of outcomes for players. Um, you might not feel like, let's say we've got mark Ingram in the lineup. You know, once he returns from suspension, he's in our optima lineup, and you don't think he's gonna jump in right away and

play the snaps that we think he's gonna play. There's things like that that you want to consider. And I think you realizing the additional content we're gonna have. You know, we're talking a lot about the optimizer, but we're gonna have an article, we're gonna have a podcast, We're gonna

have lineup alerts, different things like that. Were Drew and I and Ricky Sanders, Crispa Chako, we're gonna talk through, you know, what are the risks to this player's workload, their volume this week, and um there's little things like that that you can't capture in a single number in the projection. And if you go through the optimals, you'll see the top ten optimals, for example, the difference in

projected points, it's gonna be really thin. So I think that's why you wouldn't want to go and just take that first lineup without thinking. And that's one of the things Drew and I, you know, a couple of years the only industry we were reluctant to start doing an optimizer because we want people to think for themselves. We want people to have a hand in the type of

lineups they're making. So uh, there's still I think a good marriage between trusting the projections we have but still having some of your own influence, your own input on the lineups, without getting too far away from that optimal lineup. It's funny, friend, because I think that's what Mike's talking about when it comes to Daily Rhodo. I think that's a lot of what we see in real life too,

and I think it's pretty cool. Like baseball, it's all about numbers, right, it's all about the shifts and data. And there's a lot of people screaming like look with your eyes that you can see certain things. I think the combination always works. And I think you can say the same thing basketball and football, that you want to use the combination of data and what it's telling you and and and your own eyes. Mark Ingram being a

fine example, he comes back in week five. The optimizer may say, listen, here's what the optimal mark ingram will do. But then you're like, wait a minute, Maybe he doesn't get the twenty carries that the numbers probably telling you. And I think that is and as leonly says, these things are razor thing like the optimal line up, the optimal running back. Maybe just percentage points a difference between mark Ingram and the next guy. That's probably where your

own brain comes in, which is interesting. Yeah. Yeah, And obviously, as I said, we're putting a lot of time to these. We think we're doing a really good job. But like I'm looking for a week one projections for right now, and on Fandel we've got David Johnson at twenty two point for Vanduel points Leady on Belt twenty two point five. Sure, you know the the optimizer spits out Lady on Bell. It's not like we're have a crystal ball. We see

the future and Lady on bells. You know, let's score David Johnson by point one, and therefore you should play Lady on Bell over David Johnson. So I think what the optimizer is a really good job of this sort of setting up that roster construction for the week. You know how you should attack your rosters. But there's still

gonna be a decision point to be made. So yeah, you want to pay up from one of these top stud running backs, but there's two or three that project really closely, and that's where you know, you want to use your own knowledge, your own feelings on how things, maybe some additional research you've done to decide, Okay, I'm actually gonna play David Johnson and not Lady on Bell.

And I think that's a really good point to what Leone just said is you know, maybe you take the optimizer the optimal lineup that they give you, and you kind of use that as a template, right, Like, there'll be a few guys in there that you'll say, Okay, even if these guys are talking, I know, I want these guys in my lineup. This is what the optimizers

telling me to do. And then you go in, you take her a little bit, you make you know, adjustments, uh, based on you know whatever it might be, gut feeling. You know, we do that a lot throughout the season long process as well. Says yeah, we will try and

put you in the best position to succeed. We will tell you who you think you should start that week, but ultimately it comes down to you as well, Like, if you have a good feeling, uh, there's something that you think, you know that we don't, You go out there and you make your own decision ultimately as well. So I think the same thing applies for DFS. The only I just wanted to ask you about this function. It looks really awesome, by the way. It's the team

stackx function. It's in the it's in the top right here of the optimizer. And you know, you have a team total, you have the line for the game. There's a men, there's a max for this team stackx function. What is the best way to use that function when

making lineups throughout the season. Yes, so I think right now the best way to use that is more if you want, um, let's say a team like New England has a really high team total and you know you're not getting New England guys in your lineup, I think the best way to use this is to force a minimum of one or two Patriots in your lineup and

make lineups that way. As far as the actual stacking, I like to set up those groups that I mentioned, Um, we're still working with this team stacks setting here, So I I use it more as just the limits, like I want at least one Patriot and all my lineups, or you know what Cleveland's you know they're an underdog

there on the road. You know I don't want any Cleveland guys my lineup, So set the max to zero there, or you know, maybe the optimizer spitting out three guys from a team and you know, you think that catch your ceiling too much. You can set the max amount

of players on a team to two. So I use it more as like roster construction limits than I do is actual stacking right now is we're tweaking that and then I used the groups to sort of set up my stackings, or I use the generic stacks settings we have if you click you know, to the right of that on the top right also their settings. So you can say, Okay, I want to stack my QB with one two receivers or one receiver, one tight end, or one receiver from the same team one receiver from the

opposite team. Um, that's more what I'm using to set the stacks. But Frank, you brought up a good point about GPPs. And one other thing that's cool is we're gonna have ownership projections on Source Fantasy collected as them for us. Um. They did it for him for us last year, we're gonna do it again for us this year.

And that's going to be something that you can actually use as an inputting the optimize where you can say, I don't want the total ownership of my Intelior team to be greater than let's say, you know, or something like that. So, as you said, you might see an optimal lineup and say, okay, here's a few guys that

I like, even though they're chalky. Well, if you use this math's public owners ships setting, that's going to naturally force you to say, Okay, even if you take a couple of chalky guys, you're gonna need a couple of low owned guys that right. Well, So I think that's a really cool feature to help you make a GPP lineup utilizing the projections but not getting too chalky. And I think that that that's actually a really really cool

feature the Daily Road is offering. Um to try to listen to g P P you know you're gonna have to do something different, and they're giving you that option, which is really really cool. Yeah, for sure. I mean I think the hard part in GPP two though, is where's that balance between he's chalky but he's a good

play versus I need to differentiate and be contrarian. Um, you know, it's just teeter totter, and you're always trying to figure out the balance there, and that sort of naturally gives you that balance by just saying okay for the whole line up. I don't want it to be, you know, over a hundred percent owned, because that you know, once we get past that, that's too chalky, but that will still say Okay, this guy is thirty percent, but

he's such a good value. You know, he's gonna get into your lineup and then we're just gonna fill wrong with a bunch of guys that are more like five to ten percent on that are good value. So it helps you strike that balance in a way that's not arbitrary, where sometimes when we think of ourselves, we come up with arbitrary decisions, which is something you want to try

to avoid. You know you mentioned you mentioned contrarian. I gotta ask you, as the Buffalo Bills fan, how often are you gonna have Josh Allen and Kelvin Benjamin stack in your lineup? Oh, there's a good chance that that number is zero. I've become I've gone from the guy that was optimistic every year we're gonna make the playoffs now and the guy all my friends hates. I'm like, we're going four and twelve. Uh, it's not. It's gonna be ugly. So I don't know how you feel about

your jets. I feel like there might be some more stack ability there, but we'll see. It would be an interesting year in the a f C East. I will say this, you know, from the draft until now, you gotta feel a little bit better about Josh Allen I'd say I feel better, But it's also this weird situation where he's avoided making some really bad plays other than that one clip everyone saw, and I think that's a positive.

Both his touchdown throws have been I mean lights out, Like that's why you're drafting him for the arm of the mobility that he can make. That we saw him both his touchdown throws. At the same time, everyone's kind of going nuts and he's at five and a half yards per temph and it's like, you know, maybe let's let's pump the brakes a little bit. See what happens when the real games start. So Leonie, we had about a minute left. Um, I don't mind. Everybody go to

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was thinking that I didn't do it. You probably were gonna well, I was definitely gonna ask to bring the dog into the shot. When I found that wasn't his dog. That was an issue. Yeah, all right, he's gonna have to get that settled. I went back to my auction now what ways, all right, we're gonna go back to my I think it's pretty informative now it is is it's because we haven't done much auction stuff. I'm not telling you. Guy goes on the first round like this

is this is hard. So a listener from my league actually texted me I wrote down a price wrong. A J. Green did not go for fifty two. He went for forty two, which means I had that tier right. The only thing I did wrong was everybody else had Davante Adams in that tier rather than the next one. That was where I was green at forty two. But that goes back to what we said, though you said keenan Allen Gott he was nominated last of that group. So

there you go. Once again. What we always say is if you know where the cut off of that tier is, that elite wide receiver tier who you know. We'll talk about it the rest of this week, but those are the first and second round wide receivers, Keen and Allen. If he's the last one nominated, you know that that's the guy and that's why ultimately he ended up going

for fifty five dollars. So for me, the wide receivers and again talking about it all this week, as Frankie just said, I really love the wide receiver three tier, Robert woods mana sing Standers, jameson Crowd, Robbie Anderson, Funcious Goodwin, that these six guys are like I wanted all of them right and instead of just and I know it's so hard to do and I couldn't do it just waiting, just waiting for all of the come on the board

and don't spend anything else. He didn't and every one of those guys, Robbie Anderson went for the most by a lot. Robby Anderson went for thirteen bucks. The rest of them went for seven or less. And all those guys, I think we have potential to be wide recuper two's. Yeah, so normally, you know, if Robert Woods is in that area, then most of those guys should have been at least over ten. I would say between ten and fifteen bucks is where those players should have lived. Here's what I'll say,

Greg about what you did. And I do agree. Auction is so tough because you have to be aggressive and patient at the same time with just like one of the hardest things to balance. And while you're inside of an auction and you know you'll you'll admit this, and I think, um, we agree on this is that you price enforce. Odell Beckham, I think you can price and force, but not an elite level player when you already have

an Antonio Brown. I don't think you can can price and force at the same position over fifty bucks, and I think you will admit that as well. You probably would have wanted uh an elite running back or something like that, but look where the values can A. J. Green Davante Adams. Again, what I will say is that maybe you don't jump in on the first guy, but if you know, smack Daddy in the middle of a tier, that one of these guys are getting thrown out, I think that is the time to pounce and kind of

jump in. I think that's where you get a lot of value. And then if you wait later on, this is where the patients comes in. You get those wide receiver threes for nothing. But what I think, what it's really hard to do is just normally, if I would have regretted that Antonio Brown early, I would have waited for another deal, another deal I have waited for another

player to be probably let's say under fifty bucks right. Ideally, if I would have waited on every one of those running backs well I thought went essentially too high, maybe I would have gotten in on a David Johnson Ezekiel Elliott. I might have. But if I waited around and I thought all these guys were going for too much, then you get closer to that fine line of being too patient and you're not being aggressive enough. And as I said, I said to the person that drafting next to me,

whose team wind up fine? When Devonte Freeman was I thought the last running back on the board. He had, nobody hadn't draft the single player. I'm like, it's great that you have the most money left, like who are you waiting? Four? And it worked out really well for him because he got Devonte Freeman and DeAndre Hompkins. All right, that was a that's a fine combination. That's the first and second round pick, and that worked out totally well for him, And like, would I'd rather have that? Maybe?

Like that's something I definitely put on par with what I did. But because if he did what he did, he spent ninety eight dollars, I spent a hundred and ten and it's only twelve dollars. But when you have the twelve dollars earlier, that's Robby Anderson right there. It's something like that. And he was able to go spend um a little bit more unlike a wide receiver two and a little bit more on RB two and it worked out five dollars here, five dollars there. You know

exactly the twelve dollars savings that you didn't have. And I'm gonna look at his team right now because the wrong one. Sorry about so he winds up. He's spent a lot on the Mari Cooper, which I wouldn't have done. And he spent say twenty two one of Derrick Henry, which I just didn't have. So that was what he was able to do what I didn't, And I think he was really interesting. And Mark, He's Lee another one of these guys I found in this area that he was able to spend the extra dollar on that I

couldn't and it and it hurt. Now not to say I didn't execute part of my plan. Like I I had money, it was how I decided to spend it. I wound up going because given that I had these two elite wide receivers and I had Jordan Howard, who is a second round running back, I could have we know, running back falls off really quickly, and I could have just said screw it and just kind of waited. But normally when you wait without last guy Keenan Allen being

an example, it goes for a lot of money. What I should have done, in hindsight, is just waiting on a Marshawn Lynch because Marshall Lynch was the last guy, and I thought everybody was saving their money from Marshawn Lynch five dollars, five dollars. There were two guys left at the time. Where three guys left, Jared McKinnon, Mark Ingram and Marshawn Lynch. And I thought they were gonna all go for a round the bucks, so jered Jerried mckinen, I'm sorry it was it was before Jordan Howard because

I had him above here for thirty one. Now should I have done that instead of Jordan Howard? Now you hate Jerry McKinnon. I'm sitting there and I'm basically beending one on one against somebody else, and I thought that that was a really good price for him. I wound up going with Howard. So then as I'm looking at the running backs left, there was Royce Freeman, there was Marshawn Lynch, and there was Mark Kingdom. That those are the three and round four, Round five is the those

are middle round running back exactly. So those are the three guys that were left. So Royce Freeman, I'm in the bidding for this. He goes for twenty two. I had n't projected at the nineteen, so it wasn't that over. It was pretty accurate, Okay, I let it go think I've got a better price, hopefully on Ingram or Lynch. Then Ingram comes up and I'm like, I really wanted to spend under twenty bucks for him, ideally, but I so I've been nineteen some and else beens. I'm sorry

he been's nineteen. I'm like, all right, twenties a scary number. I'll do the extra dollar of what I wanted to do. I put on twenty. He then goes to twenty one. I'm like, what do I do? Do I do this for more Ingram or do I wait for Marshall Lynch. I hope that works out. I wanted spending the extra dollar on Ingram got him. Lynch doesn't go for like another half hour and costs nothing nothing. Carry On Johnson

costs nothing five dollars. Also, I could have had Lynch and carry On Johnson and Isaiah Crowe l all for the price that I paid for mark Ingram. Give me that depth over that one guy, and of course the mark Ingram. Then I said, I gotta go out and make sure I get Jamal Williams. That was part of the CBS plan. We talked about it last week, and

I love the plan. So I spent six bucks getting Jamal Williams, So essentially that one guy cost me twenty eight dollars, and twenty eight dollars would have given me Dry Henry. How much said Alex Collins go for? I'm glad you asked, Oh, Greggy, you know there's always one pick, and I'm gonna say he went for under twenty dollars. There's always one pick in the drafts where you sitting laugh? Did you not read your text messages? You're just playing

along right now. I probably didn't read this thing. Oh my god, I love it all right now, I'm not you playing okay. I might have read it at some point. I was like half hungover when you were texting me all good. There's always that one player where we're just saying, oh my god, you couldn't believe it. And again, there are some prices that maybe I went a little bit over. Some people go a little bit over. That's fine. How much do you think Alex Collin should have went for it?

And again, I have Alex Collins my seventeenth running back once about behind Derrick Henry. Now you disagree with that. I think he's like your fifteenth. He went for how much? Mixon went for thirty one. I give you a range. Mckin who went for one. I'll say Alice Collins to go four between and thirty. Okay, I had him as nineteen nineteen dollar player for me. You have forty bucks. Forty bucks you went for more than McKinnon, more than Nixon got two dollars last you ever two dollars less

than a j That's like round value. People are people in your draft value to Alex cons like a high there's one guy round pick. There's one guy did exactly right. I like him in the third round. I'm not spending four dollars all those wide receivers that are going in the third round. Feeling Hilton Digs Fits, Tyreek Hill, Doug Baldwin all less, every one of them about average of

three seven dollars less that range. If I you know, it's crazy you get two of those guys, like get rid of Odell Beckham, and I can get two of Hilton, feeling like, oh my god, that's awesome here in Antonio Brown and I can get Ezekiel Elliott and then get two of Hilton and feeling that's a really nice start. So this kind of you're painting the picture right now for people, this is what it looks like when you

do well. You can read your full lineup, but this is what it looks like when you go starts and scrub, which you didn't. It wasn't the plan. It wasn't the plan. Ultimately, that's what it ended up being. To me. It looks like if I would have in this draft the prices I dictated, I would have loved to have had. Let's say that the fourth overall pick where you can get Ezekiel Elliott, t Y Hilton, the second, Adam Feeling into the third, and then it's an auction so I could

get whoever I want later on. If I could start with and saying those three guys and then throwing another running back at another running back, I don't know I had. That's twenty dollars to spend, but I get another. I get another running back like um even mark ingram with twenty two hours, like that's went for six bucks or five bucks. It's crazy. It's crazy because of my stars and strub scrubs strategy where I have brand no about coom Jordan Howard. Jamal Williams is my starting right now

because I don't have mark ingram. I had basically one large bid, left, one bid where I was willing to be able to go up over one dollar, and I was signing between I used on Robert Woods, where do I use it on the last great tight end I thought was left in Kyle Rudolph on I know you love Kyle Rudolf and I love Kyle Rodolph. And I did it, and I'd be my max bit of six

dollars at the time. On Rudolph. I got him, and because of that, every other player I was gonna have to take was going to be one dollar and I took the And that's a tough feeling depending on where you are in the draft right how many roster spots we have left. So my story line up right now, I don't care about quarterback, and I spent a dollar in each my quarterbacks. I got Alex Smith, who everybody

knows I like. I got Patrick Mahomes, one safe guy and one guy that go that's what you said, the Frank strategy, like, there's nothing wrong, nothing wrong with those two guys the successor to exactly. So I got both of those guys in my lineup. Um one of the quarterbacks in my lineup. Which did you see the Patrick Moomes bomb over the weekend? Dude? It was in the air for seventy yards. So I got Patty Mahomes, an Tonio Brown, Odell Beckham, Jordan Howard, Jamal Williams, Kyle Rudolph.

Like those starters, no problem, pretty good. I'm very happy with that. It is probably scary. It's very scary, very very scary. So my flexes for those listening at home, Greg just very his head in his hands. We're going a fat rob right now, starting running back, fat off. It could be worse. Starting running back, starting running make I moved them up into my thirties and RB ranking. So where's Jordan Wilkins because he's flex he's also my

thirties Okay, to top forty running back. It's not terrible, terrible, not ideal, but not terrible. That stars in Scrubsy that stars and scrub that stars and scrubs. The rest of the bench got Jeronimo Allison. Maybe one of those guys get hurt Um Marketing's obviously on the badge right now. My last pick is Mike Wallace because Alshan Jeffrey may not start the season. Maybe he starts on pop take a shot there. Yeah, and that and that was it.

And I have I actually weave an IR spot so I used I used a dollar on Rachard Matthews through one IR never now, um, that will pick up somebody else. And and that's kind of the bench. Listen. I need some wide receiver death. I don't have any of it, but I need Jordan Wilkins to pop in a major way. Otherwise I don't really have the training pieces. I'm gonna you're very active on fab and that's it. And with that,

it's time to sign off YouTube. Unfortunately, as we said with a new time slot, we cut off five minutes early on YouTube. The frenzy will go for the full hour starting uh in five minutes from now. To look forward to that. Frank and I on YouTube back tomorrow. I don a new Times Family Eastern. If you're listening listening live on the podcast or live on the radio, Uh, we're not going anywhere with the next five minutes. Yeah. So I wanted to ask you your preparation for the auction.

So you just show up to your auction with um like prices. That's is that all you show up with? Because when I do my home auction, Greg, I pretty much right out my positions and I say, here's who I wanted my wide receiver. One, that's who I wanted my wide receiver too. And I'll put like maybe again, like I'll put three or four guys, and I'll put

like a price range. But I'll be realistic throughout, like I'm gonna go into my auction knowing that, Okay, this is my rubric and this is what I'm going to try and follow. And I did that pretty much to the t in my in my home base all auction in this past year, and it worked out pretty well. So that's do you do you plan that much before or do you just kind of have an idea of like, all right, these are these are how I have guy's priced, and this is what I'm gonna try and get, you

know what. I Sometimes I have a plan. Sometimes I plan have a plan exactly who I want. Sometimes I have a plan of exactly how much I want to spend. It doesn't sound like you had you didn't know exactly who you wanted here? You know what? There was? There

was there was nobody. There was nobody that I Last year I went to the draft wanting Michael Crabtree and Larry Fitzgerald on the draft because those were two guys that I and Carlos hide, because those were three guys that I felt were undervalued, that were gonna be good prices and always give you back value. I didn't have that this year. I didn't and people would ask me, what do you want? Who do you want? Like I thought Letard for that would be a great price. I

thought I was gonna get him. It didn't happen. The morning of I decided aout DeAndre Hopkins would be good, and I wanted to go in a different directions. There was nobody else I really really wanted, and it was nobody. I was uber passionate about out and maybe that's my fault. I thought, maybe it is my fault, but like there's nobody banging the table for him, like this is my guy. Like you for an auction, you're going to the auction. You're getting Alex Collins and that's totally of course, and

that's totally fine, that's your guy. I didn't have that this year. I really really didn't. And I think you look at the team, it shows like maybe it looks like mark Ingram was my guy, and I think I have been talking to myself into mark Ingram. Over the last week or so, I watched the preseason game with the Saints and Trump Haynton literally said, all right, we're gonna get whoever mark Ingram's touches and mark and mark Ingram was giving you back first round of value for

a lot of last year, and he was. He's a second round pick if he's not suspended this year. I don't want to bank on suspending guys ever, even though clearly I am. And the problem with mark Ingram is he's spending for four games, it comes back and they're a buy in Week six, which sucks. Maybe the second half of the year, mark Ingram is the first round talent I get back. I don't know. You just gotta make it there. You just gotta make it there. You just gotta make it to uh to week five with

mark Ingram. Here's what I'll say again. If you're going into your homely auction, whatever kind of auction, I'm gonna have a list of players and their prices. Like every player who's going to get nominated, I will have a um An auction price next to their names. So I know how much they're going for. And again, I'm gonna write out the starting lineup and the bench, and I'm pretty much gonna write down a few players at each position.

Like I'll say, like my RB one, I'm gonna get one of Kareem Hunt or Melvin Gordon, whichever one goes in the middle where is nominated in the middle of that tier. That's who I'm gonna jump in. On my r B two, I know I want one of Alex Collins or Derrick Henry and I'm gonna spend thirty bucks.

And if those guys go for more than that um or if they go for more than that, then I'm gonna pivot and I'll know, all right, I'll have a few backup options, whether it's Marshawn Lynch whoever is a little bit lower, but I know what his price should be. That's ultimately how I'm going to attack my option, my auction, and I think it's it's been pretty effective, yeah, that

that is. And but but for me, like I want to have every option on the table, like I like all these guys, and then I don't need a Melvin Gordon into a Cream Huneld take whoever. Unfortunately, I just I didn't see the prices coming like I usually have the strategy or was staring at the prices for the most part, and when I read the market wrong as I did yesterday, this is the outcome ultimately, UM, I know, Max, it's probably gonna listen at some point and you'll want

all of your thoughts on his team. So Max, if you like to listen to you guy who was making fun of my hair, Yeah, alright, you can reach out. This team sucks. You can reach out to he was actually DeVante Freeman DeAndre Howkins team. It was. It was a good start. You can reach out to him. I know a lot of my lead members are gonna be listening to this. I appreciate the support. UM, you any questions. You listen to us every day Monday three Friday at

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