Mid-round wide receiver rankings and more...

You're listening to the Fantasy Sports Radio Network Fantasy Best Friends Forever. M Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do do Yo. What's going on? This is the Fantasy Best Friends Forever. I am Frank Standford. While Gregg Sousman is off doing executive things. I feel like he's running back into the building right now. Yesterday we spoke about the early round wide receivers. Today we're gonna get into the middle round wide receivers, that's rounds

three through five. Maybe we'll get a little bit deeper than that. We really spoke about the top ten guys that cut off there with Mike Evans. Maybe we talk a little bit more about t Y Hilton today on the fact that Andrew Luck has not thrown the ball twenty plus yards down the field and either one of the first preseason games. He has been doing it in practice, but we haven't seen it in game action yet, So

is that worries something. We'll get into that as well. Um, We're gonna start with the stat of the day while I'm here waiting occaciently from my guy Greg Susman. Uh, it's really Stats of the day and it has to do with Chris Hogan from weeks one through eight last season, Chris Hogan wide receiver eight overall and half PPR. He had sixty yards or a touchdown in six of those eight games, Greg Suspen, So, yeah, man, what's going on the day? You have to bring the show in the

album jumping and jumping right in. So man, now much are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. You can care of business dat here of business on the program to day, Frank you mentioned it's that of the day wide receivers and sorry the day we'll get back to it. We'll definitely back. But yesterday we did the first and second wide first and second round wide receivers today we in the middle. We the middle rounds the

next guys. We figured we do the top ten. We wanted to go from like eleven to twenty four ish, and that's the plan and we're going to kind of see how it goes from there. Yeah, and I mentioned maybe we talked a little bit about more more about t Y Hilton, whether we should be worried we moved them down a little bit. It's a great question, man. Yeah, I got the I got the pull up on the Fantasy best Friends Forever talking about Doug Baldwin now that it really does seem like he's going to be ready

for Week one by all indications he's running. Um, they seem much more optimistic about this now. To me, I was very excited about Doug Baldwin. I had him writing that range with Mike Evans, with t Y Hilton, and I've bumped him right all the way back up there. So are you comfortable drafting him on that too, return more comfortable in the later third round? Or maybe you're just avoiding Doug Balton. So we could check back in

on that poll later on Greggy. Um, but I'm just gonna continue with the statu day on Chris Hogan, our guy who looked very good in the second preseason game, and I've just seen him go as high as the fourth round already in some Best Ball Leagues. Weeks one through eight last season, Chris Hogan was wide receiver eight overall in half PPR. It's sixty yards very touchdown in six of those eight games, so it was incredibly consistent.

His first half numbers pro raded over sixteen games, sixty six receptions, eight hundred sixty seventy six yards, ten touchdowns. That's a hundred and eighty point six half PPR points. Would have made him the wide receiver fifteen overall last season if he played sixty games. There's a lot of like, there's lots of love out Chris Hogan, now number one, Can you play all sixteen games? I think there's a

strong possibility can now. People have said in regards to Hogan that the touchdowns aren't necessarily sustainable, that the Patriots changed their offense per game, but I just felt like, and this is just total eye test, Frankie, that every time he was out there, he was a monstrous vocal points inside the red zone, and he was everything fantasy owners wanted to beat him to be when Julian Edeman went down last year. He's not just like PPR guy.

He's an everything guy and whether grons out there where he's not. I think Chris Hogan's awesome and I have him ranked currently as my twenty three ranked receiver, and I feel like he probably should be higher. I just don't know how much higher. Did you take my rankings and just kind of like move them around and make your own rankings. I did not have him exactly wide receiver. Yeah, I feel like we do this every day too. We had to disagree on somebody eventually. I'm sure you will.

There's a lot of wide receivers that we have to go. But I feel the same way, like I want to move him up, but it's like where where do you move him up to? Right in front of ahead of him? I have Golden's Hate who year in year out, incredibly consistent, Juju Smith Schuster, who I think has big upside playing alongside Antonio Brown in that offense Tobody did just one year ago, and Martavis Bryant's now gone from that team.

Josh Gordon Wide Receivers twenty maybe he shouldn't be in that range, but I think he's gonna be ready for week one by all indications, right, like we saw it in Hard Knocks last night, him returning to you should have watched you didn't watch? Can you watch every show the night of No, you don't watch Better Calsa. I watched Better cassall last night, and I'm not gonna it for you, sorry, but I mean you knew Josh couldn't return to camp anyway. All right, Well, I didn't know

what they talked about. I didn't talk about it much. Actually, last night I watched last week's Hard Knocks because I had not watched last week's I was wondering. I know, I feel obviously as I always did. Um well, that was why people are saying blessing to me this morning. Yeah, Jervis Landry forgot about that too. You have a pretty sick rotal wear shirt two with the hands it says, bless him. That was two weeks ago. I did watch the Cory One. Stuff was interesting. I didn't like how

they cut it. That bothered me. Now Corey Coleman was saying how it bothered him also, and they did full like show the full picture. Um so I didn't like that and I also didn't like how they cut the Antonio Antonio Callaway stuff because and this is us being in teaving production. Right. So you what you watched last week's episode, I want to spoil that for you. I watched all of them so far. Okay, So Frankie were a master of the white board. Frank's Whiteboards series is unbelievable.

Check it out on YouTube. Is a whiteboard series. It's amazing. Okay, Um, reminds me something else I have to tell you during the break, so we know the editing process. You do you specifically, So they showed you Atonio Callaways sitting at this table with John Dorsey and with Hugh Jackson, right and they're going over there having a discussion. It looks

like it's like a five minute discussion. Right. But on the board, um to the left, on the wall next to John Dorsey, across from Hugh Jackson, was like four pillars of the four Brown's pillars. I guess like trust, responsibility, something and something. Okay, And early on when Callaway walks in,

those four things are written on the board. The cut, the doorsy that cut, the Jackson that cut back, and then go back to the white shot almost immediately after that, we're talking literally in real time, like a minute right now. Two of those things are circled, there's arrows coming out of them with um with other words written on this board,

and it was clear that this was a much longer conversation. Obviously, there was a much longer back and forth, which I'm sure the Brown did not want aired by any means, and they didn't narr it. I thought that was super interesting. That is interesting, and I finally just interesting that you've noticed that, because you know, once I leave from here for the day, I kind of just like shut down, like the really production mind. Like I try not to notice things like that. It happens more so when I

watched like movies and stuff. It's funny because because I my my brain is always on with that kind of stuff. Um, And like Judy watches a Bachelor of Paradise right like I was. I was saying about that, and they're the worst because they obviously manipulated everything. And that's fine, I get that, but it kills me when they show a clip or the the show rather and they go to a confessional one of the contestants talking and the contestants wearing like a red bathing suit. They go back to

the action, back to the confessional. Now she's wearing a dress. Fine, you know what it was different parts of the day. Back to her now she's wearing a green bathing suit, and like this is literally these interviews are literally happened over weeks. You don't know what the producers asked her in order to get those answers, and like this is all jumble together, Like what she's talking about now literally had nothing to do with what the scene you just saw.

And I pointed out the judy and she's just like, do you understand how annoying you are? Do you understand that it's just ruined reality television? Friend? Exactly? And it bothered me, and um, she had a friend over to watch it on one day, and I kept my mouth shut because I don't want embarrass her by in a little bit, Greg allow yourself to be amazed. It's not real. It's just not real, obviously. So that was that was I don't know how I got the Jenio callaway, think

all right, I'm done, alright, anything else now? That's my Hard Knocks thoughts? How do we get here again? You were watching Hard Knocks Josh Gordon, Josh Gordon. Josh Gordy moved up to wide receivers twenty so he's might were a little bitary. Remember wide receivers twenty one. Who do you where do you have? Speaking of hard knocks, where do you have Jarvis Landry? And half people are having eight team? So I have met twenty I have him and Josh Gordon back to back. Do you think that

Jarvis Landry is getting the hard knocks boost? Because it does happen every year people. Um, you see the players you rives last year? Yah, Mike Evans, you rise them up draft boards because like you see how hard they're working. You like, you like them personally and you want them to succeed and you think they will. And the problem is at every one of these NFL facilities, these guys are working hard. There's giving other funny speeches like bless

up right, like this is happening. I don't know it was, bless him whatever, bless up see you, I sneezed, Um, Jarvis Landry is I'm blessing you, Thank you. Jarvis Landry is one of many and as good as he's looked, and I think they will utilize him in a major way, like everybody loves Juice. I do you think he's getting the hard knocks brust. I think that it's fair to say.

But the reason why I we'll say I've boosted him throughout the process of hard knocks is that what we've seen is that they're using him all over the field. He's not just being locked into a slot role receiver um role, honestly, and and just the way that they've used him to this point downfield, throws on the outside, on the inside, moving him all around the formation, it reminds me a lot of what the Steelers did with

Antonio Brown. Now I have adjusted things accordingly once Josh Gordon returned, but I thought that, you know, if Johsh Gordon wasn't there, Jarvis Landry really could have been the Antonio Brown of the Brown's offense this year, because we know what Todd Haley did with Antonio Brown. And obviously Antonio Brown is a freak athlete. But I think we're seeing, even through the hard knocks process, like we're being reminded

of the kind of athlete that Jarvis Landry is. Like he's not just a slot right wide receiver like one of these guys that you just pencil in, like he can make contested catches, he is one of the best route runners, he has amazing hands, and we saw him do work in the red zone last year. So for all of those reasons, I moved him ahead of Josh Gordon. I think he could be a little bit more consistent.

What I had thought was if Josh Gordon was part of the whole training camp process, I thought that Tyrod Taylor or to Rod Taylor would have fallen more so in love with Josh Gordon as d down the field threat. But now that he is three weeks behind, I think Jervis Landry probably gets off to the better start and maybe he's more consistent this year. But I will not argue I moved Josh Gordon up to twenty because I

still think he does have that incredible offside. It's amazing because every time you count Josh Gordon out, he comes back and I'm his lowest on him of anybody last year, right like I hated Josh Gordon because I thought this is all mirage and it didn't happen. He comes back and he was outstanding or for eight five. I think it was against Casey Hayward he was outstanding and he's Hayward said, oh they don't have a union. Is the toughest wide wide receiver we have faced all year long.

He is that good, and I think every time he has one of these things going on, a suspension, him walking away, whatever it may be, he will almost forget just how good Josh Gordon is in my auction. And I know I keep going back to that because I think it's important. Josh Gordon went for seventeen dollars. Now I had him as a twenty dollar player UM as my twenty first rank wide receiver. For comparison, saying sake,

Jarvis Landry went for twenty three. I thought there'd be more of a happy medium there, UM, and I thought Gordon at seventeen was an awesome buy because, as we said a couple of weeks ago, as we were looking for that next top wide receiver they can jump in the first round. Josh Gordon has that ability, and I

think he's gonna be the name if your draft. And there's a bunch of names above him, A Maori Cooper, Allen Robinson, Um, Golden Tate, and Marvin Jones really come to mind, because those are four four righte receivers that I think you're going to be there for you at like say the end of the third round, early in the fourth, when you're looking at if you're drafting at

the turn um as your wide receiver too. Essentially to me, if I'm gonna have, I have Josh Gordon below all of these guys, right, I have Cooper at sixteen, Robinson at seventeen, tated eighteen, and Jones at nineteen. Josh Gordon's one of those guys, the number one out of all those guys that have the ability to finish in the top twelve. Like I don't know that maybe Cooper, I know that any of them have that ability to finish a true top twelve, if not top ten, if not

top eight wide receiver. Josh Gordon does. And I very well know when I'm at that turn I am gonna going to be damn tempted in the third, fourth round to take Josh Gordon over all of them, Which is crazy to say, because Marvin Jones just finishes the wide

receiver nine overall last year. The thing is we we can't project him to do that again, and based on where he's being drafted, as you know, a low end wide receiver too high end wide receiver three like Marvin Jones is going in like that that cut off of the top twenty four wide receivers. So even if he sees regression this year, like maybe he won't be over a thousand, and maybe he won't, you know, flirt with double digit touchdowns, but if he's nine seven, he's still

gonna be a top twenty four wide receiver. So that's being baked into his price. Uh So, you know, it's it is crazy to say that Josh Gordon is the only one who had that has that upside when we've seen Marvin Jones do it. Um. But as you know, I think that the lines are more of a balance attack this year, but Josh Gorton absolutely does have that upside to do it. The way that I feel about Josh Gordon right now is I don't want him as

my wide receiver too. To be honest, I have to have two wide receivers on my team before I take Josh Gordon. I think it's easier to take that risk, take that chance with him as your wide receiver when you have that stability of two wide receivers already on your team. Because if anything happens throughout the year. Obviously, any player can get injured, but especially with him, he has that you know, maybe he uh needs to just go on a mental break again and needs to you know,

cleanse himself like whatever it might be. You have that risk much more with Josh Gordon than obviously any other players. So I need to have him as my wide receiver three on my team more so than my wide receiver to I just can't trust that. So then let me ask this. You're and he is going as I said, and the third early fourth, now that I got him in the fifth round of the Best Ball Draft, when that was the day before that he returned, I think

he's gonna move up though he's going. Absolutely, he's gonna move back into the fourth round. I don't see him getting all the way back to the three fourth turn. I think he's closer to the four or five turn. Okay, I don't know. I think you've seen back at practice. I think he continues to rise. Who were other some other players that went in your auction around his dollar price,

like seventeen bucks. The interesting thing is nobody really went around that wide receiver wise, the one around that price he went at seventeen even low twenty. Marvin, Yeah, that's exactly as you get to Marvin Jones is nineteen. That was obviously very close like he's he's on that four or five swing too. Jarvis Landry went for twenty three,

Golden Tate twenty three, Allen Robinson twenty four. Those are all to me consistent fourth round wide receivers, okay, and then Marvin Jones, Josh Gordon, I think that's where you come in, and that's more so like the fourth fifth round swing. Same thing with Chris Hogan. I put him in that category as well. Chris Hogan went for significantly more. Chris Hogan went for twenty six. That's the preseason hyper there. Yea,

Chris Hogan went for significantly more. He Basically, as I look at these prices, it's clear that there's another tier of guys that I guess are the third round guys. I've I've really drew them together because I don't see much of a difference between these third and fourth round guys. Like in my draft. I'll pick this tier like I

draft as everybody knows. Eleventh, right, So that's why I keep talking about this turn because that's where I am I draft eleventh, and in that third fourth round, if I grab a wide receiver and I grab a running back, none of which whom I like. Of course I might not draft the Mark Hoover. I may choose Josh Gordon over him if he's back at practice by the time I draft. You know, I think this whole group he's together because I'm not gonna have a chance any of

them later on. Obviously, that's what we always say. It doesn't matter a DP because every guy I just mentioned it won't be there in the fifth round at my pick. That it's just not gonna happen. So that's why I have grouped like this. But after the break, we mentioned Gordon and Landry and Jones and Tate and Robinson, and we'll get more into those guys that are going in this spot. But there's a whole nother tier, clearly, which is the third round up what third round wide receivers?

You had mentioned t Y Hilton, But I think we have to break down Diggs versus theling. I think we have to break down where Larry Fitzgerald goes in this, where Tyree Hill goes in this, and then where Doug Baldwin who you mentioned Mary Cooper go to. This is a tier based on the prices that I have. Where do they go? Who do you want more? We'll talk about that when do we come back. Fantasy best friends forever, From the NFL to the NBA. Daily Rohodo dot Com

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dollars of action. That's Daily Rotor dot Com slash sweat. Yeah, I just did something crazy to in my rankings. I might just be sipping the kool aid too much. It might have been the stats of the day. I moved Chris Hogan up to wide receiver seventeen. Big jump what I just told I told you during the break. Chris Hogan is one of these guys that can easily move

into the top twelve wide receivers. He can finish as a wide receiver one this year and I'm I'm not saying top five years this crazy upside, But is it crazy to imagine that he can give you seventy to seventy five receptions, a thousand yards and ten touchdowns That would make him a top twelve wide receiver. Think of all the targets that are now gone with the Patriots.

A hundred and fourteen targets gone from Brandon Cooks. He led the team in targets a year ago eighties six targets, one from Danny Amundel, who was third on the team in targets one year ago Dian Lewis thirty six targets. I mean, I just think there's a there's a plenty of opportunity here. I think it's really just gonna be it's gonna be the Chris Hogan Show. And and Rob Gronkowski. I think those are gonna be the guys, and then

James White is gonna have his normal role. He still had seventy two targets last year, so seventy the eighty targets for James White certainly doable. Someone asked in the chat to rank Hogan, Landry, Marvin Jones, and another player, and it's just I feel the safest at this point drafting Chris Hogan, which maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm buying buying too much into the preseason, but I think he's gonna be the number one wide receiver for Tom Brady.

You know what's interesting as I look at the wide receiver death chart in New England, like, you know, Gronk is there, and you know Edwin's coming back after four games, but listen to the rest of the depth chart. I

don't know what people realize what this looks like. Behind Chris Hogan on one of the wide receiver positions, who Darryl Patterson, Kenny Britt, Eric Decker the only other wide receivers on his team other than Edelman, Phil door Set, somebody named Paul Turner and Braxton Barrios or people liked at one point to the offseason Kenny Britt I mentioned him thanking, but like, these are the names we're talking

about now. I'm not saying we're gonna we won't have out of nowhere a Brandon Lloyd like season with Kenny Britt like that would not surprise me in the least, to be perfectly honest with you, Kris Hogan is the guy. He is the guy, And when Gronk is moving slowly and when Gronk is getting triple teamed, there's gonna be a lot of Chris Hogan. I get it, Frank, I get it. I know Julian Edelman is gonna be back in Week five for this team, but he's older now,

man Like he's he's beyond thirty years old. He's is gonna be the same slot receiver that he was. Yes, he'll still get his targets absolutely in this offense, but I just think it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of home and a lot of Gronk. I think the one even if Edelman gets him down into the red zone like in this first eight game span, I mean, Ogan was pretty much a walk for at least sixty yards, and in a lot of those games, it was six yards and a touchdown. You get that every single week.

That kind of consistency it's hard to pass up on. So is it fair to say that you feel very comfortable as you must because you're moved up to number seventeen with Chris Hogan as your widers? You were too, you like it ideally? Well, you can't. You can't say ideal because that's right in the middle of your the wide receiver two is here. Yeah, I would, I would take him as my wide receiver two. But I don't

think you have to draft him there. Like, just because you move them up in the rankings doesn't mean you have to draft. Well, it depends where your draft. Like, let's meet when he use me as an example, I'm at the end of my I'm at the end of the draft. I want him. I have to draft him in round four and I could draft now, I could draft early a fourth round. I could draft a wide receiver in round three and not have a second running back until round five. Fine, all good, But if I wanted,

I have to draft early in the fourth round. He's going to go somewhere in that fourth round. He's not coming back to in late fifth. Correct, you have this, what seventh pick in your the eighth pick, you have the eighth pick, you're gonna act that you have in the fourth round. You're not getting him in the fifth round, especially in a keeper league to where everyone has kept two players already, so players get pushed up the board. That's a little different. Super flection rights out a little

bit different. If I want, well, you just talking at a normal snake. If you're in a standard snake and you're in the eighth pick, you have to take him in the fourth round. You're not getting him later. So you have to So you have to say if you're starting I'm not saying you have to do this. If you're starting running back, wide receiver, running back, wide receiver in some order two and two after your first four, you're gonna get him a wide receiver two. And you

have to be comfortable with that. And you and for you, it certainly seems like that's where he's rand. He's ranked. Is that wide receiver too? Yeah? And what I've told people to this point um on our show throughout the Whiteboard series is I like that back into the draft where you can start with a workhorse running back and

an elite wide receiver. So if you have one of these keen Alan Michael Thomas, Um Davantae Adams, one of those type, I feel even better about it because you already have that stability at the possesis if you although the Keenan Allen Davante Adams has their own injury issues, just saying, but if you're the listening, if you're the back end, and there's a chance you have Odell or

Julio Michael Thomas, a little bit different. Yes, But if you wait until the third round to get your wide receiver, obviously you're gonna feel a little bit more shaky about that. Like if you start your receiver corps Mary Cooper, Chris Hogan, like you don't feel great about that? No, of course not. But you mentioned Mark Cooper. I want to get to him in a second number eleven and twelve on the Minnesota wide receivers, Adam Feeling it, Stefon Diggs. I have

them back to back. In the auction, Savon Diggs went for four more dollars than Adam Feeling. Did I get it? Diggs? The sex of your name? Uh, he's theoretically more exciting. Feelings the workhorse, the guy that played mostly the slot last year and denominated in that role. I've seen nothing to think that Feeland won't want won't once again be in that slot. Uh. Diggs has had some injury issues. That's why I rank Feeling over Diggs. Both these guys

round out my wide receiver one tier. UM. If I'm drafting them as a wide receiver one, obviously come back around later the drafting of a wide receiver one. You're probably drafting UM towards the top of the draft, and you i'd say you're one through four picks. I would probably go back to back wide receivers here, a pair of a Feeling the Diggs with a guy like Lardie Fitzgerald,

the Tyree Hill or I probably ideally Doug Baldwin. UM. But that's where they're going, and that's where I'm comfortable with. They're basically on the borderline of one and two, and I want two of those guys. I agree with that if you have one of those first four picks, I'm probably gonna come back around and take two of these wide receivers. I have staff stefon Diggs and the half PPR ranked one spot higher than Feeling in standard, I

would take Diggs as well. In a full point PPR look, I think I think Feeling has more receptions this year. I think the yards are gonna be close, but I think the touchdowns actually favored Diggs um. But it's close, man, It really is a coin flip because you don't know who Kirk Cousins is going to target more this team, Like based on what we've seen in the preseason, Stefon Diggs in that first game he had to catch on the sideline, he called a touchdown from Kirk Cousins. But

we really won't know until once the season starts. So I think they're both super super talented. I think Stefon Diggs a little bit more talented. We saw that in the first month of the season. After the first four weeks, he was the wide receiver one overall in Fantasy football. Um, so can you see and can you see a guy like Adam Filan dropping in draft for no reason only because he's not going to go to exciting because he's, like I said, he has that workman like resume, Like

guy like Tyreek Hill. I can see people going over him because of what we saw in the preseason and his ability. I can see a guy uh generally Doug Baldwin going over him. I could see Larry Fitzgerald going over him. I've moved Baldwin ahead of both. You have, Okay, all of a sudden, feeling could drop and like I

believe he dropped. I think he dropped the next and I almost got him in the fourth round and I was picking from the spot things and I thought that was I remember I had six pick in that and I saw feeling coming back to me and like, oh my god, like what is going what was missing? He again, Dane sare the same thing. He picked me between us, and I couldn't understand why he was dropping. Now it was like non it was a non PPR league, which is part of that. But if feelings dropping, there's just

no reason why for it. Yes, which which wide receiver is Kirk Cousins gonna throw to? It's fair but from all indications, theory mains in the slot. Feeling has that Jamison Crowder role. If you will, you know it's going to be a totally different offense with d Felippo there, but Phil is dropping. I'm grabbing, yeah, absolutely, And you know the default thing to say, which is what we have been saying, is Digson standard feeling in PPR what feeling?

Touchdowns are undoubtedly gonna come up this year. He actually led this team in red zone targets. A year ago he had seventeen. He only caught five of his seventeen targets in the red zone. That's a twenty nine percent catch rate. So that is going to go up, no doubt about it. Um. I think that's touchdowns come up a little bit. He's probably in that you know, six, seven, eight touchdown range. The thing is, I think Stefon Digs can be even better than that. I think maybe he

flirts with double digit touchdowns. Um. So for those reasons, I just think overall, Stefan Dix has a little bit more upside, but it is very close between those. I have Stefon Diggs ranked once about higher, but I have, like I mentioned, moved Doug Baldwin ahead of both. You move Baldwin ahead given that you believe we are clear of the injuries. That why all indications, everything that we've heard,

everything that we've seen. He's running now. They keeps saying he's gonna be ready for Week one, And I know Pete Carroll is the ultimate optimist. He's even talking about Rashad Penny gonna be ready for Week one, but by all indications, Doug Baldwin is gonna be ready. Um And because of that, I've moved him back up. Before the injury, I was super, super bullish on Doug Baldwin because look, there's a lot of targets now gone from this team from a year ago, eighty targets from Paul Richards and

nine eight targets from Jimmy Graham. Doug Baldwin is clearly in a position to have a career high and targets this year, probably a career high in receptions, receiving yards, not touchdowns because he had that monster year with like fourteen thirteen touchdowns whatever it was. But I think we see over a hundred and forty targets this year from Doug Baldwin. And if that's the case, like he's consistently been a top twelve wide receiver, he could even move

up this year in terms of his production. A hundred and forty targets, you know, we'll get probably ninety receptions. I could see twelve hundred receiving yards and flirt with double dago touchdowns. The Seahawks team is not good. Their defense is very bad now and outside of Doug Baldwin, who do they have, Tyler Lockett, Brandon Marshall. He's just going to be a target beast. So I moved him up. I think if he goes in that two three turn,

I have absolutely no problem with it. I think t Y Hilton versus Doug Baldwin is actually more of a conversation that we should be having now, So let's have it. So so let's have it. Hilton has his own injury. We'll see when he's back at practice. We talked a lot about Andrew Luck yesterday, um and his ability to throw the ball down field. If Baldwin's healthy, he probably goes right back where Hilton with Hilton at that too three turn, that that was where they were going. And

I'm cool with that. I'm completely cool with that. Baldwin is I mentioned workman like with theeland, That's what he is. With Russell Wilson. You look up and all of a sudden, he's got four for a hundred and and or maybe seventy for a hundred uh and a little bit more. He's the unquestioned number one wide receiver in this offense, and it's all about health of him. If he's healthy, he's He's a guy that like compared to Theelan and Digs, I agree with you. I haven't moved Baldwin up, but

compared to these guys, I'm much more comfortable. If I'm drafting at the end of the second early third, I stug Baldwin being my back end wide receiver one that it would be Adam Feeland or Stefondex. That's the truth. And if I just put it in those layman terms, like who do Who am I more comfortable with? Is Baldwin? Yeah, I think I'm gonna I think we're gonna move Baldwin ahead of t Y Hilton because while while both I think both have injury risk. Now we haven't seen t

Y Hilt. We didn't see him in the second preseason game. And it's not just his injury risk, it's Andrew injury risk as well. Russell Wilson has been an incredibly durable player in his career. We know the report he has with Doug Baldwin. Just think about this. Baldwin has never had more than a hundred and twenty five targets in a season, yet he's consistently been a top twelve wide receiver. You tell me he gets a hundred and forty two

a hundred and fifty targets this year. Again, two years ago he caught ninety four of a hundred and twenty five targets. If he gets a hundred and forty to a hundred and fifty targets this year, you have to imagine maybe he gets double teamed a little bit more because they don't have a ton of weapons on that team. Even if he catches nine balls this year, for again, I think he could be twelve hundred and we know that what the touchdown upside could be. He had fourteen

three years ago. There's no Jimmy Graham on this team anymore. He could be twelve hundred yards, ten touchdowns, and that's gonna be better than t hy Hilton. It's not a knock on t Why Hilton, but Hilton just doesn't score the touchdowns. He's never had more than seven in a season, So see why Hilton. Yes, receptions yards, he can catch the deep ball, but never has caught a ton of touchdowns. Um by all indication is what we get heading into this weekend. As long as the news is still positive

for Dog Baldwin. I have no problem taking him ahead of t Y Hilton. Now, yeah, I get it, I'm I get it. I'm cool with that too. I I think that's fine. I think it's kind of a preference thing in a way. UM, I understand that though, I I do. I do understand it. Um consistency, And I think we're such a many games. I know Andrew Luck wasn't there last year. Were such a many games where at home Ty was amazing, and on the road it's

kind of a disaster. But Well doesn't have those. And if you're just I'm nitpicking when thousand percent, but if you have to nitpick, you have a nitpick when you're just signing one or the other, that could be one of reasonally in towards Baldwin. Yeah. And of course the poll that I put out too was regarding where should Dog Baldwin be drafted? Now he seems like he's ready for a week one forty four percent still say late third, early fourth. But the second and it's very closet, say

late second, early third. And I think you know, based on the draft we see happened this week this weekend, I'm going to be in four drafts this weekend. We have the T S T Draft. Excited for that one. You have Craig Carton's draft on Sunday. Be more prepared than I was, um than I was reflects Yeah, I mean because we have we've had a few more weeks, things have unraveled a little bit more. And then I

have two homely drafts. So we're gonna have a lot of information for those drafting over the Labor Day weekend next weekend that will be able to give you this Monday. Seeing just where Doug Baldwin goes, and I think he's that two three range. Now one more wide receiver that is specifically in this tumor wide receivers, say that I believe in this crew, and that's Larry Fitzgerald and Tyreek Hill.

Where do you have them comparatively to the other four guys Hilton, dig Stealing um In Baldwin, so they're all in the same tier. I think these are around three receivers Ish Evans, Hilton, Baldwin more so the two return But I have Tyreek Hill fifteen and Liarry Fitzgerald sixteen. And this is probably a bit of an age bias Fitzgerald has been incredibly consistent, especially in PPR half PPR

in the past couple of seasons. But new quarterback coming in with Sam bradfense, a new offense coming in as well, Um, you have to worry about the injury prone nature of Sam Bradford. And then if Josh Rosen gets in there, does he lean more on a Larry Fitzgerald, does he lean more on his tight end? Does he throw the ball more checked down to David Johnson? Does he have a report with Christian Kirk. We saw him throw a

touchdown to him in the second preseason game. So I think there's a lot of question marks regarding Larry Fitzgerald. But it's in versus Tyry Kill is just really bloom upside versus at boring, aging veteran consistency out of Larry Fitzgerald. And I'll take the guy who's on the upswing in his career entire Kill, But it is very close. It's funny because you were mentioning Larry Fitzgerald and the brand new offense and I was like, wow, Digs feeling Hilton Baldwin.

All new offenses, every single one of them, and we stressed so much last year that we're gonna recognize it now. We're not going to ignore the signs. We're ignoring the signs with any of these guys drafting them where they are because I know how talented. I get it, how

talented these players are. But they're all new offenses. Something is going to where somebody is going to emerge, or something's going to happen, or we're like, WHOA, we should have seen this coming and I don't want that to happen. Maybe Larry Fitzgerald's that person. Maybe you're right, you know, in this brand new offense, Christian Kirk with the new quarterback, maybe he steps up, Maybe Bright Butler steps up. Maybe Larry Fitzgerald. It's not the same Larry Fitzgerald. Someone's gonna

happen with all these guys. And for that reason, in particular, I have Hill one spot ahead of Larry Fitzgerald. And then I'm slightly more concerned about Diggs feeling Hilton and even both them. Fantasy best Friends Forever roll on. When we come back, Let's get more into Tyreek Hill, more into Amari Cooper, and we round out our top sivers when we returned. Fantasy best Friends Forever are you between the ages of thirteen and twenty two and we love

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a scholarship. Back with you, Fantasy best Friends Forever. Fantasy Sports Radio Network, Frankie Stanfeld, Greg Susman with you were writing down these second tier, like third round wide receivers after your top twelve twelve twenty four. Essentially we're really Tennis twenty four as we include Hilton and Feeling and Digs, Doug Baldwin and more. We were up to Fitzgerald and Hill and we have to cut you off their Frank because of the break, you had chosen Hill one spot

over Fitzgerald. I agreed. I look back at the offense where Tyreek Hill he's been at before, nothing has changed, and I like the upside, not it's not an agism thing. I think the upside is greater. Yeah, it absolutely is. He finished the wide receiver eight last year Tyreek Hill. That is on only a hundred and five targets. Even we don't really know how the target distribution is going

to break down. That's what worries me a little bit about the Chiefs this year, Like I don't I can't imagine paying the third round price tag for Travis Kelsey this year. It's not a knock on him, it's just I don't know where the targets are gonna go. It's kind of similar to the Minnesota Vikings with their quarterback situation. Who is Patrick Mahomes going to favor most? What we've seen in the preseason is that he does like Tyreek Hill. We all saw that bomb touchdown over the weekend, But

Tyreek Hill, he can honestly do it all. He was eight in the air yards last year, eighth in yards after the catch um. His last thirteen touchdowns have come from thirty yards out. That's insane. It just reminds you you'd score from anywhere on the field. He's incredibly and efficient. Uh still does have some boom or bus Like I don't feel great with him as my wide receiver one

honestly right, But he's but he's borderline. He's not one of these guys that's borderlines borderline that you'll probably pair with where depending on when you take him with another wide receiver. Most likely absolutely Again, it comes down to if I can pair him with one of those guys in the second round, or if I use a first

round right pick on a wide receiver. If you end up with like Tyree Kill Chris Hogan as your wide receiver one and two, just don't feel great about like you need a little bit more of a safe floor there. You need that kind of elite weekend and week out production. And Tyreek Hill can he could win you weeks. He

also was very boom er busty last year. Now, the way that that happens that those two guys wind up as your wide receivers one and two is if you start your team off running back, running back, running well, thank you, Frank, I'm hoping you. If you started out running back and running back, let's say you can go and this is possible. Let's say you go Sae Kwon Barkley,

Christian McCaffrey. Possible Cream Hunt, Christian McCaffrey. Whatever doesn't matter is that those running back is good enough that you would you feel comfortable with Tyreek Hill as your wide receiver one any time where I'm in the middle to late first round, and if i grab a workhorse running back in round one of the only reason I'm doing that and I'm passing on DeAndre Hopkins or Odell Beckham is because I know that I can get the elite

wide receiver in round two. I outside of a standard league, a non PPR league, I cannot. I won't start my draft running back running back because I just don't feel I guess the word is safe. I don't feel safe enough with these guys going around three, four five at the wide receiver position for them to ultimately anchor my wide receiver corps. If that makes sense. Yeah, no, I I get it. And you talk about anchoring that wide receiver corps. Mari Cooper was many people's anchors last year.

I started my team out with the zero running back theory last year, going to Michael Thomas and m Mary Cooper from the eleven spot, I think, and it was a disaster, like as a straight up disaster, as Mark Cooper was terrible. People are jumping back in. We've talked a lot about Amari Cooper over the past several weeks. Where is he settled in for you, Frank, He has settled in as my wide receiver of four teams, so he's right behind the Vikings guys, right ahead of Tyreek

Hill Larry Fitzgerald. I think he offers I think he offers a which is crazy to say because it's a MARII Cooper. I think he offers the best combination around this range of safe floor and high upside, which you just made the face and it's it's crazy to imagine. But he is going to be the team's wide receiver. One by all means, I'm not worried about Jordy Nelson.

I'm not worried about Martavis Bryant. Everything we've heard from John Druden is that he's going to be the focal point of this team's passing attack, and I do, oncent believe it. Look if he could just get back to the one and thirty plus targets he had in each one of his first two seasons, he was over a thousand yards. As a rookie, he was over eleven hundred

yards in his second year. He only had five and six touchdowns in those years based on getting that many targets, which I think he could be in that one thirty to forty range, maybe even more than that this year. I think he's gonna be in line for eleven d yards and the touchdowns are going to go up if he is the focal point of this passing attack, like John Druden says, he's going to be. Even if it's seven eight touchdowns, Maybe he doesn't have immense upside. And

I keep saying that about Mary Cooper. I don't know that he's going to finish as a top five wide receiver, but I think eleven dred yards and seven eight touchdowns is certainly doable for a Mariy Cooper if he gets back to that one hundred and thirty target range, which he was his first two seasons. Gregory Castillo inside O YouTube chat brings up a good point. We sure that Derek Carr is good. I don't I think he's good. I think that's I think that's a fair word to you.

So I don't think he's I don't think he's amazing. Is good? Better than average? Good feels like average to I think Derek car is like an average quarterback. So he's good. That's how I feel about. So he's good. Yeah, like he'll he's never thrown for four thousand yards, but you don't need him to do that with based on the weapons that we have here, Like I don't think Jordy Nelson is going to demand a ton of targets,

right maybe inside the red zone. Yeah, he'll catch a few touchdowns, Martavis Bryan, he'll get a future shots down the field per game um and Jared Cook, Like, we know what Jared Cook is. He's big foot. I just think they don't even need to throw the ball all that much for Mary Cooper to reach that. It's essentially the Chris Hogan theory, right, like, not even more so than the Chris Hogan theory more with Doug Baldwin theory, where it's just like who else is he going to torgety? Like,

who else is he going to throw it too? And that includes in the red zone. In the red zone you look at Seattle and you mentioned this with Doug Balin, you're not throwing a tie lock at the red zone. Well, Brandon Marshall looking good exactly Jimmy Graham has gone. Doug Balling is the man. You can do the same thing in Oakland, where all right, Jared Cook's fair fine, but their biggest threat in the red zone was Michael Crabtree and he's no longer there. And I don't look at

Martavis Bryant like that. I don't. I mean, Jordy Nelson's the answer to the question. I've said, I like Jordy and because of that, I don't. And I get it. I'm sneaking with a Maria Cooper and I know that that's exactly I see a lot of people's he only had one good game last year. That's absolutely true about Amri Cooper. But when we do this for throughout the draft process for the teen season, we're projecting forward. You know,

I would do the Whiteboard series. I would nearly draft carry On Johnson on at least one team every single time. And people would kill me and they say, have you seen the Lions running back to the past couple of years? Why are we looking backwards? We're supposed to be. Yes, you take that into account for sure, but you use that to help project forward. And I just think based on you know what we remember what a Marie Cooper did his first and second year. He finished as wide

receiver thirteen just two years ago. Are we just throwing that out the window. And you're getting a bit of a discount on him because last year, like you said, he was going on the ones to turn. So now we're getting him on the three four turn. That downside that we saw from him last year is baked to his price. We're projecting forward. He's the wide receiver one

on this team. John Gruden keeps talking him up. Everything Michael Florida used to tell us about Amory Cooper is that John Gruden is going to do a lot pre snap, before the play even starts to get a Marie Cooper freed from that top cornerback. Whatever they do, move them into the slot, move them all around the formation. They're going to try what we expect to be creative and innovative ways to get a Marie Cooper open this year.

And I'm going to trust that I already have him as my wide receiver one on one of my teams. That's not an ideal situation, but that was a team where I started off with three running backs in a non PPR league and in the fourth round, I end up with a Mariy Cooper as my wide receiver one and and I think that's a fair range. If you could get him in the middle of the fourth round, I think that's good value. Actually, I have him in

my rankings next to Alan Robinson and Alan Robinson. The more we've read about Trey Burton, and we've read a lot about that this morning, there's a lot of reports about how good Trey Burton can be for the Bears. Alan Robinson is quietly kind of moved backwards for no fault of his own. He's only gotten healthier and looked better. Maybe there's been fatigue because we're so all in in the Bears a couple of weeks ago and now we're not. Now, Alan Robinson has not burned me. I didn't draft him

last year. I and draft him the year before after the breakout um. But now he's in Chicago and I think Allen Robinson, Frank, I think you're gonna tell me you feel more comfortable with him as a three aid than a two. Also, is that fair that that would be ideal? I don't think it's going to happen based on ADP. What number is he for you he is. He's now behind Chris Hogan. I have him as wide receiver eighteen. He's once spot behind Chris Hogan. So as I look at my rankings, I have him as wide

receiver seventeen. And the guys behind him are some of the names who mentioned before the Golden Tape, Marvin Jones, Jarvis Landry, Josh Gordon, and Chris Hogan. And I'm considering just moving him behind all of them. Is that crazy? I don't think it's crazy. I think his ADP is actually dropping a little bit, and for no reason, no fault of his own. It's the fact that everybody around

him is getting hyped up. That's Anthony Miller, that's Trey Burton. Um, we expect this seem to be a pretty balanced offense. I think we expect that, but there's a lot of mounts to feed. Think about this Bears offense. They're gonna give Jordan Howard, I'd say at least sixteen eighteen carries per game on Torre Cohen is going to get a few targets per game, four or five, whatever it is. But then you have Trey Burton. Adam Shaheen is going to be healthy at some point who they've talked up

in this offense as well. They draft Anthony Miller, who by all processes killing preseason right now and training camp. Um, they have Taylor Gabriel who they can take a few shots down the field with. Kevin White is even playing now in the preseason. Heard the analyst Chris Vencha talking him up. Well once again, Um, I just think there's a lot of mounts to fet I don't know. I think to me, Allen Robinson when he was good with the Jaguars, he was a volume play. He needed lots

of targets. That year we had four yards, fourteen touchdowns. He needed targets. I just don't know that the volume is necessarily there for the Bears. And only that, I don't know that the passing efficiency is going to be there either. Everyone's talking up the Bears like they're the Rams of this season. That is very very high praise, and if not realistic, it just isn't. Mitchell Robinsky should undoubtedly be better this year, but is he gonna take

that Jared Goff step. I don't think that's going to happen. And I just think he might be an inefficient quarterbacks in his sophomore year. I think for all those reasons, they're kind of working against Allen Robinson. I'm with you. I have him ranked as a top wide receiver, but ideally I want him as my wide receiver three and based on ADP he's moved down to fifty overall. You could get him on that four or five swing. Yeah, so I think it would a job. Allen Robinson drava

right now, and I started. I drove him after Golden Tate and Marvin Jones. But my question to you is who would you rather have as you Golden j Marvin Jones half point. I still do have Golden Tate higher, but I think there is some concern because you look at what he's done the past couple of years. A lot of these short passes that he catches close to the line of scrimmage, those were extensions of the running game.

Now by all accounts I've said, I think the running game for the Lions is going to be better this year. And their offensive line let me down in Week two of the preseason. They did not look good by any means. I need to see improvement in the third preseason game or else maybe I start to drop carry on Johnson a little bit, but they bring it. They draft carry On Johnson, they bring in mcgarrett Blunt, they still have

Theo Riddic. This team wants to run the ball more and now maybe you know, running the ball more and if they do it more efficiently, we see a few less targets this year for Golden Tate, who has been a volume play kind of similar to how Jarvis Landry was in Miami. So I think he's still a lock for like eighty to ninety receptions and you know nin plus yard is gonna be in that four or five touchdown range. He doesn't have crazy upside, but you know

what you're gonna get out of Golden Tate. Marvin Jones. I'm more so worried about the Kenny Golladay effect here, and I've painted that picture for you before. Greg. I think there's a chance that as this offense becomes more balanced and the fact that Kenny Golladay is there, is that maybe one week it's Marvin Jones, maybe one week it's Kenny Golladay, But the consistent guy week and week out I think will still be Golden Tate. I still

have them rights ahead of Marvin Jones. By one spot or like significantly, I have Golden there two spots apart. I have Golden Tate wide receiver twenty three. So the way that I've tiered it is I kind of tiar them by round. So my Tier four is Hogan Robinson, Landry Da Marius, Josh Gordon, Juju and Golden Tee. And then Tier five with think is like our solid fifth round picks Corey Davis, Marvin Jones at wide receiver twenty

five and in Brandon Cooks and Sammy Watkins. All right, so you you have Marvin Jones a little bit lower than I do. I'm buying the Marvin. I'm buying Marvin Jones and less into Kenny Golladay than you are. With that, we're gonna sign off YouTube. We will of course continue live on our podcast. Uh, so'll gover the next five more minutes. YouTube. Coming up next, it's the Fantasy Football Frenzy, Corey Parson, Chris Ventra and of course the Fantasy Taz.

Jim Day will have you there. Uh, if you're watching us on YouTube, we'll see tomorrow. Um, if you're on the radio yet, you got us for another five minutes or so. I also with that Frank. If I can find the read in the right spot, I will re no, that's the that's the wrong one. This is a disaster. I'm sorry. Uh, there we go. Bet ds I celebrating twenty years the industry's biggest and savest betting site. They have great customer service and fast, easy payments of winning.

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Marvin Jones more so than you. But there's two names you mentioned that are in that last year that are in that top twenty four ish and that was Jujuice Smith Schuster, and that was da Marius Thomas. I agree with one of them. I have a Juju ranked as my twenty fourth ranked wide receiver, and much rather have him as a high volume when high end wide receiver three than a wide receiver too. That's why he's twenty four.

That's called borderline number twenty three. A guy that you mentioned more in your sixth round, I believe that was Brandon Cooks. He snuck in there as my top twenty four. Now. I think he was the one player in our daft people were sleeping on for whatever reason, they just were asleep at the Wheel. He went for ten bucks in my auction whatever, nothing despite playing this vaunted Rams offense.

But I think people have this image of what Sammy Watkins did last year, and I actually have Sammy Watkins in front of ja Marius Thomas, but in the same year for me, the year ends of Smith, Schuster, Cooks and Schuster twenty three and twenty four. So I have Brandon Cooks ranked as my wide receiver twenty six just based on what he's done in the past. But to be honest, he's another one of these guys on my

do not draft list. He's very similar to j H. G I in my opinion, you look at the schedule for Brandon Cooks, it's terrible like he is going to face a lot of tough corners this year. The targets, I don't I don't really know what the target volume is going to be. Like, I think he's gonna get more than Sammy Watkins last year, who I think was in the eighty range with the Rams, he'll probably get up to a hundred ish, maybe a hundred and ten, but he's consistently been over a hundred and ten in

his career. And reminder, he's played with Drew Brees and Tom Brady, two of the best quarterbacks we've ever seen play. So he's moving over to an offense with Jared Goff, He's not gonna have the same volume where he's gonna see likely the team's number one cornerback. I just don't want anything to do with Brandon Cooks where he's going right now. Marvin Jones, I painted the picture for you a while ago when him with in the lineup with

Kenny Golladay versus without. Per game with Golladay eleven games, five points pree targets, three point one receptions, fifty seven yards per game, and about half a touchdown. Without Golliday five games goes up to ten targets, five point four receptions, eighty five yards per game. Uh, and the touchdown rate was pretty much the same during that span. But it's there's no doubt that when Gallady was gone, that's when

Marvin Jones did a lot of his damage. So I'm factoring that in and the fact that I think that the Lions offense is gonna be more well bounced. I think they're gonna run the ball a little bit more. So that's why I dropped Marvin Jones. I think it's still be all right, but I want him as my wide receiver. Three. I can't have him as my wide rechivers two. Should you fear Courtland Sutton taking away anything?

Even Demarius Thomas much like Golladay and Marvin Jones actually talking more about moving Damarius Thomas to the slot really to get Courtland Sutton more work on the outside alongside Emmanuel Sanders. And I've that's a good spot forda Marius. I think we could see maybe a Larry Fitzgerald kind of renaissance out of it. We are doing come up next, it's the Fantasy Football Frenzy. Stay tuned for that. For

Frank Staffle, I'm Grex Sousman. We'll do the next round of wide receivers tomorrow, we hope,