March 1st, Hour 2: Starting pitching, Hendricks issues, and more...

listening to the Fantasy Sports Radio Network. Did we just become best friends? Fantasy best friends forever? Our number two Fantasy best friends forever, Fantasy Sports Radio Network, that is Frankie Stanford join us right now. It's the closer, Chris Venture. What's up? Chris? What's up? What's up? Everybody? Yep? Back for starting pictures, which but honestly, I'm not entirely prepared for. But we'll take it one by one by one. The honesty is literally all we can have so much entirely

prepared for. But hey, you know what we'll learn on the fly hitters? Pretty mumuch done. You're very pared for our hitter shows. Yeah, the hitters, you know, but the pitch is a whole different animal. You know what I mean. Like, it's not huge project, but I'll be on it. We I want to saw this off with a tribute question if you don't mind, sure what active picture you actually like this year? Give me that's a hint. What active picture has the record for most consecutive games with a strikeout?

Most starting picture starting with starting Because so potence has had the record of forty four gay appearances in a row with a strikeout for a reliever? What active? What active player holds it for a starter? Wait, but what do you mean? She explained the question again. The starting picture with the most active, the most consecutive starts start with a strike with at least one strike on strike ext No, that was too obviously an answer. Yeah, Chris Sale. No, Yeah,

you're older than a guy like Chris Sale. Ch Oh yeah right, it's gotta be somebody's done for long while longer Berlander, So that's what I thought it was. It's not Land it would have been my guess. That is not correct, Evely. Wow, you just gonna remember if you if you started and got hurt or something and left the gate like counts. So I don't know what deals Verlind Verlander is not correct. Okay, who's around a while? It's a good questioner, No, yeah, no, I think Kershal

a second. I think second. I'll get you the number three h sixteen consecutive starts shrikeouts, so Verlander would be second. If it was appearances, Cole Hamils would be first on this. That is correct. What do we think of do you? I am a fan of Cole Hamiles. Um what he did last year while he was with the Chicago Cubs. He basically went through through a transformation, little renaissance here for for Cole Hamils last year. Look two point three six e r A in seventy six innings twelve starts

with the Chicago Cubs. I'm not expecting that, but his underlying numbers were pretty good. I think he just kind of needed that chea change scener. He goes over to the winning contender like the Chicago Cubs. He gets out of Texas, which is a tough ballpark to pitching, especially for a guy like him with the age picture like Cole Hamile's, the walks came down last year. The strikeouts went up near forty percent strikeout rate, the strand rate, the left on base percentage was a little bit lucky

last year with the Cubs. But overall, look, I don't think he's gonna be a two point three six e r A. But if all the peripherals are saying that he was a his time with the Cubs, that he was a sub, you know, like three six ear a kind of guy. If I could get a hundred and eighty innings out of like a three six three seven e r A Cole Hamiles with that offense, with that defense behind him as well, especially where he's gonna, I think he's gonna have a lot of opportunities to win

games too. I don't want him as one of my top two starting pictures, but if I could get him as like my three or four, I'm I'm all right with that fours I would be cool with like ideally. Yeah, So like he's ranked forty one on Fantasy pros dot Com. That who's who's right around him? Alice k I Nether have handles definitely, Bieber, Uh they have you let to have Hamile, Ben happ Hey, Pavetta. Pavetta is ahead of him.

Uh at Water Rodriguez ahead of an all the hype guys, all of the hype Vetta, Bieber and Warter Rodrick like these are all like all the h and you know, I like those two guys. What's up? I really like those two guys, Pavetta and Rodriguez, of course I do. I like guys at K people. That's it. It's that simple. Do you like Cole Hamils? Can you buy back in? That's the problem. So I've had Cole Hamils a lot. I had him the year he his last great year,

He's been bad. No, like, there's no way to sugarcoat it. I mean last year his collective ear a was three point seven eight. The year before that with the Rangers four point two zero. It kind of, you know, it looked like the end was coming, right, That's when I thought it was over. You know, it kind of looks like that. But he kind of had a renaissance last year with the Chicago Cubs, and I don't know that he's getting the uh his swingy striker he was still

over twelve percent less. Yeah, the strikers when people are chasing pitches outside his zone thirty two three percent of the time. With Cole Hamil's he almost had any right. So, but the year before he had a hundred dings and a hundred and five k's that worried me. Um the four two, right, I thought, now I had him like the year he had the three three two on Texas and everything like that. But I seen like his his dead, you know, him declining. Also I had him like a a

couple of years in a row. I thing I kept him, I think, Um, But like I just don't know, I don't know if I want to buy back in the thing. Is that where the value is right now, it's not bad. That's gound pick one fifty one, right, So an A d P and NFBC ADP is gonna pick one one pitcher off the board that's not starting pitcher because relief pitchers are included here. But Vetta again it's going just ahead of him, Bieber going right around him as well.

Edward Rodriguez. You know, if you ask me, Greg, I think he's a good guy to kind of pair with one of these guys, because these are starting pitchers who are young, who might have a little bit of volatility. Like, yes, we all think that they have great upside, but if in Cole Hamils is one of those guys that can kind of balance it out where proven that kind of expect him to be around that, you know, three six, maybe three seven a uh like a one two oh

whip something like that. Any he's gonna get wins. I'm worried about the endings pitched with Hamilt's really Yeah. That's why I think he's a good guy to pair with these guys, because I I worry about the endings pitch for a guy like Hurt all the time, or Nick Pavetta who hasn't necessarily done it. What happened when he only put your hundred forty eight ins? Why why did he only pitch? I don't remember. I guess he was hurt. It must have been hurt. But every season other than that, dude,

it's been a hundred ninety every year since oh seven. Yeah, I know. I don't want to look too far back because the guy's thirty five years old. I mean, I wouldn't project it right, but I would project Cole Hamils for one, you know one and that right, three six, three seventy r a with with a near strike up

for any four four. Not that kind of what you want these guys to be like, Yeah, I think they have a little bit more upside like Vetta and in Water of Rodriguez, like you might think that, Okay, you know they have this next step that they could take where you know, the this is the range where last year we were finding Blake's now and tie on and and not even flower right because he was going even later than this, but uh, Mike Clevinger right, like he

was going around this range last year. So you want to try and load up on as many of these upside guys as you possibly can to see if you can hit. But again, not all of them are gonna hit. So I think co Hambles is kind of like a safe starting picture to pair with one or again, just try and get as many of these I guess upside pictures as you can. I guess he's safe. I just think that, Yeah, I guess it's ages um, but thirty five years old, Like I I worry about the decline,

So is it coming? You worry? You worry about like justin Verlander two early on in your drafts, if of all the big guys in the front of the draft as as pictures, Vilin is the one I worry about the moment, and then we're after talking to Nick, I'm more worried about Cluber than Marlander. What do you say about Cluber the skills are declining, that the fast ball

has been declining. He doesn't necessarily have the side of like other guys in that range, with Garrett Cole and Trevor Bauer, who took these huge steps forward last season, even Aaron Nola to an extent um is the hard hit rate was up last year was like thirty seven percent for Corey Kluberg was like, by far and away the most in his career. Let me ask you this, Frank, who would you rather have this year? Cole Hamils or

Kyle Hendrix. Definitely Hamil's, Ok, I'm not doing the Kyle Hendricks. Yeah, Hendricks is another one at a good at a good end of the year. He did Greg he did. We did the same thing last year and then we owned him. How fun was it to own was its own? Kyle Hendricks? Kyle Hendricks? How fun was that? Wasn't so funny? I mean he did have a three full four year, right. He wasn't good, dude. I'm telling you, I'm not gonna do what I promise you. He was bad most of

the season till the end, like late all September. He was very good before that. He was like I dropped him. I just dropped him. He was that bad. I do not regret it. Yeah, No, he was super frustrated on especially in a points league like a star to start bassis like, he was very frustrating to own. And I know, you know Florida was here shout out to Florida, miss you buddy. Uh No, he didn't die so that he actually just tweeted. You know that was me pointing towards California.

I guess I don't know, but Florio, you know, his ears are probably ringing right now because like every year he loves him for points leagues, and I'm sure like he's going to tell people again like rab Kyle Hendricks points leagues just because oh I actually I have his I have his rankings. I don't want well, you can't give out too much. They're behind the pay. Well I understand, but you want me to give out. Where does he have Kyle Hendricks rank? Why don't actually the order? I

have the order, I don't have the number. Who does he have high Kyle Hendricks or Cole Hamil's guaranteed he as Kyle Hendricks higher? Right, So I just hot he's not old, he's nine. Kyle Hendrix is his rank starting Pitcher. Wow, Look, he's ahead of names, ahead of names like Miles Mikolas, David Price, Michael assumed Man, Chris Archer, Robbie Ray probably come on, Mike Pistillo as he's thirty four, pikel Rich Hill.

I understand having Hendricks ahead of some of those like I have him head right, So Kyle Hendricks number five according to Mike Florio, co Hamil's number. Wow, decline, alright, you gotta talk to out about bathroom right now at your job listening so we can discuss this god so clearly seven, So clearly. Florio thinks that he could get behind guys like Ross Stripling, behind jap, behind and behind

Tyler Scaggs as well. I like Skaggs, like Gags to well ahead of some ahead of Chris Padock, though, if they're points the HiPE guy and you want to talk about Hike, everyone's get excited about christ Pack. You don't think that Hendricks get back to under three right Ever, again, I think it's still possible. He still could do it. He's trending in the wrong direction and his his peripherals

have been right around three point eight. The past two years. Right, his fifth and X fit in seventeen three point eight eight, three point seven six, His FIP and X fit in three point seven eight and three point eight seven. So he's a three points consistency. He's right around there two years in a row. He's closer to his skills. This is what it's telling us. His skills are around a three point seven three point eight picture. But he's been

helped out because he has a great defense. Obviously three five Chicago Cubs. I mean, you know, you see some of the players that Javier Baias makes. I mean, the guy's a magician out there. He's been helped by great defense behind him for years. So you could say he's a three five to three seventy r A guy. Right, He's just gonna be closer to with three seven three eight e r A. According to Cole, Hamiles could be

better than that. And I think Cole Hamiles could be a strikeout for any kind of guy, or at least close, you know, like between eight and nine, case for nine. I mean, the thing you gotta loved, his strikeouts have been declining. He's not a big strikeout guy. I don't want, I don't like in the mid tier of starting pitchers and talking about the Chicago Cubs here. I mean, I'm not he's not a big key guy. But his thing, you gotta like, his whips always gonna be low. He

don't walk anybody, That's true. He doesn't walk. Yeah, I mean the whip has never been higher than one point one nine. So even if you're playing rodo like, this is a guy that you can target in the middle round whip, but you gotta, you gotta, you know what, he's a good guy to pair with, like a Robbie Ray. You know what I'm saying, Ok, Because he's gonna give you a lot of strikeouts, but he's gonna have a high whip too, because he walks. A lot of guys.

I think that makes them sense, right, like your pair Kyle Hendricks with a guy that has that strikeout upside, but it's also gonna have a high whip, maybe even like an award of Rodriguez, right, like something like what it makes sense co Hamils. Then he still kind of represent like those two guys combined. Theoretically. He's older, and I think that's like the problem. He was really bad in Texas last year. It's really good with the Cubs though I know animal, I don't know. I might be

with Floria here. I might take Hendricks before call him dude. I'm not saying that's fine. Picks spots higher in his rankings, that's a lot. I don't know about that. But you know, if he likes me, likes you want Floria's rankings, I do his patriarch I like that. He I like Floria, you know. I like how Floria doesn't let anybody phase what he does. He just doesn't do. The thing is he hasn't that to deal with us. That's why he

did it. He did it his way. I could understand that because every day being when you guys you guys influenced me a little bit to like not like guys. And then you know, like certain year, that's kind of the point though, where we learned to like Kyle Hendricks. Last year that was hated Michael Floorio. Listen, that was me, that was this was a headache man. Yeah, but you can't go. I'll take the I will take the want to rip my hair out as little hair as I have. Yeah,

eighty six soft tosser, but he's so accurate. Guys like Jamie Moyer. He's like not even thirty years old. How old is Kyle Hendricks? It was eighty six miles per hour to Greg. If you can make it work, if you're would you have Kyle Hendricks Dallas Kaiko? You don't know what team he is on. I don't care all I love Kaiko. Maybe I liked Kaiko last year and he let me down to he did you want to talk about a frustrating pitcher to watch last season? He'll let you. I don't want either one of these guys.

They're not active targets like cool handles over both. But the upside of Kaiko is much better. Love cool alum. The Kayako upside is huge. I'm currently working on my starting pitcher rankings, so I don't know where Cole Hamil's is gonna be yet. It's not gonna be fifty seven. I'll tell you that right now, so you can census ranking for Hamil's right now is forty three. Doing math in my head a little bit. Right now, your best subject, Cole Hamiles is going to be like in like the

thirty five to forty range. He's gonna be a top forty starting pitture for me. Okay, fair enough. I mean, where do you draw on this? I don't know where he is in my rankings. I don't think fifty seven seems low, but I do think that what we're saying Parry Cole Hamiles is one of these hype guys. It

makes a lot of sense. And that's what I tried to do last year, know honestly, with Kyle Hendricks, which is why I brought Kyle Hendricks up because pared and Louise cast That's what I did, and very badly that's going to happen to do it with her Man marquesas year this year is No, he's much more safe. I'm not saying in terms of like what I expect his performance to be mean, but he's get rapidly starting. Pitch loves her mind a lot of people like, I mean,

Pitch two D two. What's not to like that? That's what he said. It's not like not to like that, you know. For I'm okay with that, though, I'm okay with good luck with that, you know, take a break. We'll try to get back on track here, back to the top and try daily rode up dot Com learned from the game's best DFS players. We don't just give you premier advice. We play every day, all major sports,

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nine to join the Fantasy Sports Networks and Network. One thing I can tell you, don't draft Dallas Kiko and don't drafty come on favorites like I'm looking deeper. I've never heard like one of those guys that you want to own until you own and then when you own them it sucks. I've never heard just come on, Dallas Kiel of the ground ball rate is declining. It went from sixty seven percent we got a little un lucky though,

was seven legs terrible? Well, he's not gonna k a ton of guys aside throws ninety miles an hour barely. How would you pointsonly like this guy, I love K guys. But then know the next best thing, I like guys that go deep into game games? Yeah, how could you not like? Yeah, like he could go deep into games because he doesn't K people. Guys that k people are less likely go deep because so many pitches kan people, you know what I mean, They're going deeper into counts. Kiko, Mike,

get a groundball, ground ball and in three pitches. This is this is the Roado versus points discussion though, because again for points, you want volume. That's what Ventures saying. You want guys that are gonna go deep into games, guys that are gonna give you ennings. But with Rhodo you want the guys that are It doesn't matter if they go five innings, because if they're giving you eight strikeouts during that spanning a you know, a two e r A and five innings pitched, you're fine with that

is they're helping your peripherals and strikeout. So for roto like, you don't really care how deep a guy goes. Obviously you wanted to go deep. You have use wins and quality starts in the road. We do, I mean some people do quality starts as a category instead of wins that you know, winds are lucky. I mean, look at King Felix's career. He has very few wins, but the quality starts a much much better. Getting updates from Michael Floria here read the text mess here, don't do the

hamilest thing. In my opinion, l l one good month September deeper numbers on par with months not August. He's right, I will do the hamilest thing late, is right? Explain to Yeah, he's not right, but look he's got a full season of the Cubs defense behind him, right, Like, isn't that part of the reason why we've liked Kyle Hendrix all this time, because he has a good defense behind him and then he can out pitch his peripherals.

Why can't call Hamile's do it? Then? Why do we like hendricks on the clubs and not the other Hendrix is also ground and the skills are better. The skills are better for for Cole Hamiles don't want Kyle Hendrix gets more. I'm defending myself, so you're not gonna direct just texting. So here's a good question if you don't like either of them, like in that area, who who the guys you're targeting in that area? Okay, let me

see her hanging Alright, you're a big Herman Marquis. I'm not herman Marquez fan Um, he's just gonna draft Shane Bieber because I do like Justin b. Everyone likes Shane b. Like Justin Berlsa. I do got the fever, so I owned Biebes. So the reason I like Shane Bieber owned him last year too, and like it was up and down and he was still learning, but like you saw it what he could do, and he's really good for

points leaks to the ability to strike people out. He also has the ability to go deep in the games. He was always afforded that opportunity. But I think there's at a young age to the France Times, the franchise of the Cleveland Indians, right, they turn out starting pitchers like this all the time, Like Dave developed guys like Klueberg and Carrasco and Trevor Bauer to this point and no really great read with mod Modica starting pitcher preview on the Athletic. I encourage everyone to go out and

check it out. What he said about Shane Bieber and what he continues to say is he has to learn that he has to He doesn't have to win every single He needs to harness his skills against everything. Like he pitches in the zone too much. That like like his his walks per nine are great, it's one point. His walk ratio is azing, and you know in the minor leagues he didn't walk anybody. Like His walks per nine for most of his career in the minor leagues

was one. But you can't pitch in the zone as much at the major league level because we're gonna get hammered. It looks at the hard hit rate with Shane Bieber, it was so he was pitching inside the zone too much. He's got to learn to trust his stuff a little bit,

because his stuff is great. The stuff is there. He's got to throw it outside the strike to a little bit more and try and get people to chase because he's not used to doing and he's gonna learn how to do it and you starting picture that he's throwing so much in the zone and still had over a k per inning nine point still six k per nine. As Venturus said, the ear a of Shane Bieber last year four or five five, but the fifth was three to three, and it is a lastic difference. Yeah, you

gotta like this. You gotta like to do a lot of people are expecting him to pitch closer to those peripherals this year, like a sub three five e r A on a good team with the Cleveland Indian. What has to come down is the home runs. He led over a home run per nine, which isn't good twelve point one, because like he's gotta learn to expand the zone a little bit, and he definitely had. He's a young guy's first year. This is like his maturity as a starting picture. He never had to do that in

the minor leagues. Because it's the minor league. It's kind of interesting. So do you gotta remember that Shane Shane Bieber, assuming it's just forty more innings and the year before he's only to pitch a hundred and fifty or so innings. This year's he got. You gotta take that into account. He's not gonna get dings or even close. Um drafting has been rotally right. So again it comes down to you just want him to be awesome in like the one fifty one sixty. Would you rather have him? Would

you guys? Speaking of that, would you guys rather have Shane Bieber or rich Hill? Biber definitely easy, I think, go ahead and look up his rank. He loves rich Hill too. I can't touch Hill because I need fund, so I could yell he has Shane Bieber four spots higher than Richell, but he's still I mean that just what means he has rich Hill entirely too hot. He has rich Hill especially he's better for rhocause he's gonna be really good when he had him. Just wait until

he gets dropped in your league. Don't draft him, because I tell you the same thing happens with rich Hill every year. He sucks early on, he gets hurt, he gets a blister, he gets dropped in fantasy. People pick him up. He's awesome in the second half, and people buy into it the next season, and then when you own him, you regret it because he sucks early on and he gets hurt, and then you drop him and then he if someone else picks him up and reaps all the rewards when it comes to Richard, and it's

not only that draft him. Just wait till someone drops. He's a guy happening like two or three years in a row. Now, same stuff. His stuff is great. That curve ball is absolutely disgusting, twelve to six, huge looping curve ball. But here's the thing. He doesn't pitch innings. I had him one year and he was pitching five innings, Max, Like, he comes out of the game so early. You don't want that point. You want to talk about dodger ititis right, a term that nick. You know he's gonna get. And

they're not even fans of del Stins. They're real Delstins. He's gonna get real del Stins. And he's starting. They have enough depth with their talking up Juio, you're rys now and they're talking up raw strippling, and they have Ken Jin Ryou and they have Kent in my head and they have a lot of depth. So you know they can afford to put him on the DL whenever they want. I will say this, when he pitches, he's he's going to perform like a starting pitcher. Eventually they don't.

Once he gets healthy, that's gonna be in the second half. You speaking of Dodger, right, it's a good shot kind of circle back to Walker Bueler, who you didn't get a chance to really comment because you're rushing out with Nick at the end of the hour. Um, he likes Walker Bueller. He doesn't love Walker Bueler because that Dodger right is because of um Phantom d Elston's and injuries. And he was amazing the playoffs, and I get it, but he had Syndergard ranks over Walker Bueller. You obviously

took Bueler over Syndergard. A lot of people love Walker Bueller this year. You're one of them. How come I don't love him? I like him, I don't think he's adequate where he's going in the third round. And the Dodgers are another franchise similar to the Cleveland Indians, where they just turn out great starting pitchers man and they're really good at developing that. And we saw it within the season last year with Walker Bueller, where you got

a lot better in the second half. I know the eleven percent swinging shrike rate is not elite level like a Noah synder Guard. But in the second half last year it did go up. It went up to twelve and a half percent. In the first half it was nine percent Sweening shrike rate for Bueller. Second half it was twelve and a half percent for Walker Bueller. And you one of these guys where you know, I tell you the things that I look for when I'm targeting starting pitching, greg is you know, I want to keep

per nine around eight or nine if I can. If it's higher, great. I want walks per nine below you know, two and a half hopefully, you know, definitely below three. I don't want guy who's gonna give me around you know, fifty percent crown ball rate. So you can get groundballs, you limit the walks and misses, and you can get strikeouts when you need the most. Walker Bueller does all those things. But here's the problem. The only problem innings

is the endings. How me personally, I think I think Walker Bueley is gonna give you a hundred seven a lot. I think he's gonna be around that range opening a dighty. If you're if you're just debating him verse syry Guard, how many how many endings are you projecting for Noah synder Guard, how can you do that? Well, I mean last year, right, but he you know, injured, but he's

always injured, always, well, he was injured really badly. If you do your ranking is based on like optimal outcome, If you rank your players based on all right, I'm not worry about injury risk. If all the if all these pictures go a hundred and seventy n pitch, I'm just gonna rank them based on skill, right, like what they're gonna do when their start. I would understand ranking synder Guard over Walker Bueller. So in that regard, I'm pretty sure that's what Nick Pollock was getting at a picture,

you know, follow him a picture list on Twitter. I think that's what he was getting. Also, is that you if you just look at the stuff with no synder Guard, I think it's better than They both have really good stuff. But I mean I worry a little bit more about the injury risk with synder Guard and I do with Bueller. They're definitely concerns with Bueller too. He made a huge

ending jump last year he played for the Dodgers. They can afford to put him on like a phantom d L whenever they want to, and I assume that's that's why I have them at like a hundred and seven. That's the wash with the injury, and I worry about it more with synder Guard than I do with with Yes, But because the thing synder Guard has experienced. I mean, at his peak, this guy was fourteen and nine two six r a hundred eighty three innings. You know, two

hundred eighteen strikeouts. The ceiling is insane and he should be healthy now at this point. Okay, So now is the time for him to come back to where he was. Okay, he went through that big injury two thousand seventeen season, it lingered. Uh. Now he should be fully healthy and I expect a hundred and eighty. He could even do more. But based on experience, I like synder Guard more than Bueller. I do like Bueller, but they might pitch around the

same amount of innings. You might be right, but I think it's more likely that synder Gard hits one eighty then Bueller hits one eighty, and in points leagues, that matters me. What do you think? Yeah, so I think I don't know both sides. It's hard like you might have this decision in like the third round of a draft, because I did you Graham both on the swing, then you're really you know, not like you get better. I'd rather grab like several, which is more realistic. Those guys

should be there at the two to return. Yes, Nick had Carrasco after all of these guys, right, yeah, we didn't. We didn't get to Carrasco. Unfortunately with Nick, I would I like to hear you know something I think he briefly touched on. It was that he was worried about the the injuries with cars Carrasco. But he's been injured early on his past two seasons. He's been a hundred pitch. He fixed that problem. Yeah, two years in a row

now with Carlos Carrasco. And if you just want to talk about skills, his his swinging shrike create what's fifteen percent last year which was top five, it was third third best in baseball. I'm sorry Max Serrys or and Patrick Corbin. I would take Carrasco over both these guys, like he's just the last two years, what's not to like? And the divisions too, he gets a face, you know, the White Sox and uh well, the Twins lineup this

is going to be better. Tis the Oils are horrible Oils, the Tigers, the White Sox is gonna White Sox lineup will be a little bit better once they get him. Carrasco's rock solid at this point. Rock solid. I mean, you would you take Carrasco over these so I so, I think the upside. I think the upside is much is higher in all honesty for Syndergard. Synergard, yeah, than Carrasco personally, but he's got to reach that. Speaking of oh,

he's changing rankings here it comes. I've taken Syndergard over I think we have we have a color Mike and l A that had a problem with your co hanmals take Mike, Mike, thanks for coming on the program. I'm staying out of this. What's up, guys? Mhm, hey man, what's up? Sorry? We're screaming in your ear. I know that you're you know, you're tucked away in a at somewhere. What do you have to say about Kyle Hendricks Mike

Hendrix every years and points leeks, guys. I mean, I know it's not it wasn't pretty for us last year, but you look at his numbers too. Here one bad month last year, and it was June, and outside of that month he was Kyle Hendricks And like you said, in the second half, he was typical Kyle Hendrick. So yeah, maybe a slow start is something you're gonna have to

deal with. But at the end of the year, he's going to be top twenty in points leeks and you don't even have to draft him anywhere close to that that. Mike's got to be really good in the second half of the seasons because he loves Kyle Hendrix. He loves rich Hill. I just ripped rich Hill. You know, I need you around because you know I want you to

yell back at me about rich Hill. But I was telling these guys, why don't you just wait until people in your league drop Ridge Hill, because it happens every single year. In fact, he doesn't. I mean I don't really ever remember him getting dropped. We picked up I think in GST did we well, even so that's her yet then, because this guy and last year was a little bit different too, Like I get it, he's gonna miss the starts with the blister and he's probably gonna

have a slow April. But again, he's one of these guys, especially in Rhodo. He's going to be elite per inning and that's what I based my strategy on. That's the pictures I'm attacking, and rich Hill fits that perfectly. And for the first time ever, I feel like I'm not the only person like banging the rich Hildrum like he's getting hype from the industry, but it's not showing in the ad P. And he's even cheaper, which makes me like him even more. Mike, you can admit that you

shouldn't own Kyle hendrickson Rhodo, Right, Yeah, I don't. I don't really have an interest in him in Rhodo. The better question is do you have an interest in Hams? I mean yeah, I mean look at his numbers. I know that. I get the whole. He had a renaissance with the Cubs. He had a good August. That's it. Every other months, I don't look at the arras I think it does you with disservice every other month, his

ship and exit. I don't I should fix that. I don't look at the ear as when I'm doesn't the season. Obviously they matter in season, but I'm looking at Cole Hamiles and the fact that every month for first of all on Texas, his FIP and exit World five almost every month, and then even in September with the Cubs it was over four. The hard hit rate went back over again. The ground ball rate, which was great in August,

it completely flipped on its head again in September. I think he had one good month and people are looking in that and saying that's the Cole Hamiles that we're gonna get next year when he's thirty five. Like I'm done. We've been seeing his skill set decline. I'm staying away from the Cole Hamils. If he has a good year, it'll be on someone else's team. Ages. We just say this.

Hendricks in Points League last year was pitting number twenty six according to my points League average fifteen point a Fantasy points and game, and Hamils was and doesn't sound like thirty spots of difference in rankings. But mamimals is declining. I don't know what point system, but I know an hourly that we played with Frank, I'm almost positive Hamils top twenty. But you know you're making it's making your point.

Hamil's is one of these pictures who sure he's going to outscore the people that I have ranked ahead of him, and I'm actually working on an article for fan Tracks now explaining that I'm not worried about these these guys who pile up volume because on a per start basis,

Cole Hamil's isn't going to do to me. In my opinion, He's not going to give me more than say, if I have two of these elite pertaining guys, and yeah, like it's gonna suck that rich Hill's gonna miss some time, but on a per start basis, I'm gonna get more out of rich Hill. I'm taking a bunch of those guys and just hoping they don't all get hurt at the same time, and just trying to maximize every starting spot I have in my rock Interesting. So, I was in the end the interview or the call asking who

who Arias were interviewing? Florio's uh, Blake Snell is for teen? In order to get that information, you gotta subscribe to Mike's Patreon page, which is available right now Mike Florida giving an article Who's this year's Blake Snell? He don't over to Floria's Patreon and look it up. Thanks Mikey no problem, thank you, and real quick. In that article, I think I put even more research and information than I did into blakes now one last year. So I'm

gonna love with this player. He was the Fantasy Baseball had a vetas Baseball article in year. Thanks to the Blake Snell pick and the Blake Snell column, more research went into this year's selection. You could probably should look and find out who it is. Yeah. I appreciate your call, Mike. We always do. But I still hate cold cold and he loves so. Yeah, let's take a break. We'll come back then. Sure, Frank and I will wrap it up,

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of course your b at the back at noon. We have a lot more starting pitchers to go on. But of course we're jumping around here and to be all confused and what we're supposed to do. Um, but we're trying our past. We're doing the best week. Let's go back to the beginning. CLUBA, the CLUBABA, come back to the beginning. People are worried about Clubber. Why just signs of regression right, Like we were saying to you before

that his fastball wasn't the same, the same. I'm not so worried about it was getting it was getting crushed. And his hard hit rate last year was a career worst a thirty six point nine percent. So just to put that in perspective, he was never higher than thirty percent in any season, even dating back to like in his best seasons from twenty through seventeen, it was never higher than twenty eight point nine percent. Hard hit rate last year goes up to thirty six point six percent.

You gotta expect to come down a little bit, though, I don't think that is it or is it a sign of things to come? More things to come? With Corey Clue, right, he has a lot of endings on his arms. He does, you know, over a thousand endings pitch in the past five seats. So you're worried about decline starting basically the decline because honestly, the last six years he's pitched over two He's been so consistent. Regia Florious does no thing. I'm necessarily out on. I'm not.

I'm absolutely hard not to be out, Like if I'm on the turn, if I can get like pair Cluber with like Severino or something like like why did it? I mean that you're not at at all really like if you want to be out to Garrett Cole ahead of him, Okay, you just in Berlin ahead of him, Okay, alright, I'm cool. I'm but that's the point where you gotta grab I think a real decision. People are gonna have to make his Cluber versus Blake Snell. That's interesting. You

rather have cluber, I'd rather have club. I think it's format dependent, so I think in points leagues. Again, you kind of heard Nick talk about this a little bit with Blake Snell, that the Rays we're kind of babying him. Last year, you got to a dight innings pitch. I was actually gonna ask him, you know, if you had to set the over under for any it's just here for Blake Snow, what would you said it at? How did you get last year's do you wind up with he's due for a two hundred? This is where you

go to two hundred. I don't think you get it. You don't think you get because baby, I just think so last year he missed some time, he missed some time with an injury, came back almost immediately after he was eligible, and they basically let him go for hens a week. You know, it was about it was literally it was literally, dude, about a week. It's only missed maybe two start and he came back a starter to nothing more. So it was like he had a build

back off the arms right there. Anythink ridiculous like that? And he pitched like three innings, four innings, like what are you doing? Let him go? And he was like one guy that the Rays were actually, she's just letting pitch a hundred ten pitches in the seventh inning like they were letting him do it. And when he came back, they were extra careful. And I think Kevin Cash and this Raised organization will always be extra careful. Yeah, that

is worrisome. I mean, so the reason why said Rhodo for blakes now and points for Clueber is just because on a pers start basis, I think when Blake Snell pitching, but the swinging strike create was absolutely ridiculous last year, Like you can look into the Arsenal Blakes now and it was awesome. Last season. The case per nine were

up over eleven, right around eleven. So I do think like when he makes his starts, he's gonna give you more strikeouts in those starts, um and you know, look, he's not gonna be a one eight nine e r A. But again, with a lot of guys that we've talked about that get drafted earlier on with like Christian Yellis, for example, even if he regresses, he's still going to be really good. Like it's not gonna be an m v P. Like Blake's new is not gonna be have

the cy Young historic season again. But even if he comes back to a to seven to eight or like, you know, around a sub three e r A right around there, think he's for the one point one zero whip and eleven case per nine on a first start basis,

he's gonna be better than Corey Clueber. Dude, No, I think the Cluber is better for points Lee's because he's gonna give the ending, but say could read more of a workhorse first start basis, I think Bake better and Corey Cluber and points Club was safer too for the two hundred inning you know, getting too in a row, right, so six actually I think um, and look I'm pretty sure too. I think he could expect a to three a r at Blake. Dude, he get he pitched a hundred,

gave a hundred and twelve hits. He was amazing. That's ridiculous. Nobody does have to imagine regression is gonna come there though, right because as he had won seventy six average against as Nick a little bit, but he's still that good. As Nick pointed out, Blake Snells left on base Percenter was eighty eight percent. Yeah, I mean, look the average seventy five. So that's why you know some regression is gonna come. And look for his his FIP and his exfit. His FIP was two nine five, his X fit was

three one six. Remember he plays in a tough division two Yankees a lot. He's gotta face the Red Sox, the Blue Jays could be annoying. Vladimigarell Jr. It could be he's gonna be as good as he is right. So to me, I'd rather like that's another fact that I bring up for me, Like the central is easier, exactly, much easier, much easier. Would you would you take Corey Kluber and Roto over Blakes? Now? I think if they

were like the same price, which they are. Let's look at the A DP and NBC a DP right now, Corey Cluber is twenty four point four six, Blake Snell is thirty point nine four. So going a little a few picks later, I'd rather if you're you're a pick in a Roto league, and those are the top two starting pitchers on the board personally in all formats, points for sure. I think club Are you taking Snell? I'm fine with that. I'm just asking it's hard to pass

on Snell, though, I mean the upside is insanity. Is Kershaw? He's Kershaw and his prime better? Maybe I have Cluber one spot higher, but I think you can make the argument for taking that's fine. But I would definitely take Clueber and points. But I have Cluber once about high. I'll tell you fancy probe as Clubber five Snell eight? Where are you and Trevor Bauer? He's talked a lot about him before too. I don't know exactly where I'm at with about how to be honest with you. This

is the first year he really broke out. Yeah, of course for a while long. That's the problem. A lot of false promises, right, So is it an outlier or is this the truth? That's the question, And it's hard to trust that when you're his value right now? Is there is no value you got? You're paying for him absolutely, You're paying for him absolutely. I don't know if I want to pay for him like that. You rather let me ask you this, Frank? All right, Clueber. We talk

a lot about Cluber and Nola Derek Colverlin. You know, there are concerns with everyone at this point, and the further we go, there's gonna be even more concerns with every picture. The same as last year. I remember this, man, This is the same conversation we did last year, bum Gardner to Grom Strasburg, Carrasco. This was the tier m it was, and we needed to try to still in

the Strasberg and bum Gunner obviously way behind that. You remember, you remember the Syndergars in this Syndergarbs in this tier was still in this tier. So really so out of those five guys that we just mentioned, right, this is what we have to break down. Out of those five guys we just mentioned, one of them ascended out of the tier. That was the ground once stayed the same too, stayed the same in Carrasco and Syndergard are still in this tier and Strasburg and bum Garner have moved down

out of this tier. Greg. So we're breaking down this tier starting pitchers. Basically, we're gonna have a three out of five, like a sixty chance of a hit rate here that they at least provide the value that you wanted, like third round value. One of them is gonna be a lot better. It doesn't necessarily have to be this case because it happened one year. Basically, you have like a six, you're gonna have somebody out of this tier

become a top five starting pitcher this year. And there's gonna be two guys that are gonna of not lay down, that are better gonna let you down lay down with the pictures. Though in this tier, I'd rather as opposed to what I do with the hitters, whereas go for the high ceiling, high upside guy, I go safety here because pitching is very sketchy. So Carrasco, I'd rather take Carrasco than Trevor Bower. Has Bower ahead of Carrasco. Nickols Bower ranks is like a six starting pitcher. The guy

never pitched two DS in his life. He never really even came close. Why is he not pitching two last year? So he apparently he got hit by a line drive and that kind of knocked him out. For he's been been pulled between the bullpen and the rotation a lot to earlier on in his career. He didn't have been good, but he didn't make a change right like he started throwing that slider and it's been a phenomenal pitch for him. Trevor Bauer and listen, he's a guy always wants to

make himself better. I mean he's a in a hole, but like he wants to make himself better. Yeah, right between between Garrett Cole, these are the second round pitchers basically Derek Cole, Verlander, Aaronola, Trevor Bauer, Corey Kluber, and Blake Snow. That's six guys. So I think I agree those after talking to Nick and doing the show with you guys the last two hours, Like, I think Verlander

and Garrett Cole or ahead of everybody. For me, I would have Garrett Cole and a little bit more in on Verlinder, I am because there's this is zero sign of aggression. Appreciate there's not a single sign of aggression here. So if you have to break down this tier into two guys that could ascend, two guys that will stay the same, and two guys that will can I taste can Colin Verlander out of it, because I think they're better during a different tier. It's in my opinion, yes,

ahead of you're saying Cole, Nola's snow. I want I want to put No, I'll put Nola. Nola should be in the first tier. I think I don't know about that. You can do whatever. Well, honestly, I don't know about that. I'm high on Nola though, I mean I had a mole last year in the year before. I think the two most likely to ascend from this tier from for me, it would be Garrett Cole and Trevor Bower As why Coles in this tier to fit? Yeah, Cole's means another

team here. They're all second round pictures. So that's what I'm trying to figure out. Whatever you want, right, yep, kind I'm trying to do an exercise here, and you're you know why you're making No, I'm not not trying to talk about people that are gonna ascend, right I don't. Wouldn't you say like Noah Syndergard and Walker Bueller had

that seem ability to ascend into this sat sphere? Definitely? Yeah? Yeah, But they're there are third round pictures, right, so then maybe maybe we're talking about the second No, but I think I understand where they're going. Frankie, like the kind of thing they should all be together, Okay, I mean, look, the tier that I have, the way that I have it is I have Tier two is Cole Verlander and Nola Bauer, Uber, Blake Snell, Savorino Carrasco, Bueller, Syndergard. That's

how I have it. Okay, So you have it, That's what I'm saying it from four to thirteen. Perfect. You have it as one tier then, and I think that's just trying to make it similar to last few where it was like really just five six guys. It's a different it's different last year ultimately, Like I completely agree with you, Like that's the tier hold on one second land the K two D and ninety people lest year. I love that? Are you joking me? Like what? I

love adventure? Like come to a realization, how that's that's an outlaw? You're like that that can't happen. Is to nine swinging strike rates six best in baseball venture, But look at the years before that, he's never come close to that type of k rate. He's placed. I know the Astros are doing something. The spin rate whatever the spin rate is going on. Dude, I'm taking all Astro's pictures. I'm telling you right, Like, come on, how did he

get to ninety out of him. That's insane. He's incredible last year, Tell me two guys who are most likely to disappoint you? Who are Who are the two guys that are most likely to descend from me? So I hate to say this, but I think the I think the first Dan is gonna be Blakes Now I think so too. I think Blake. I love Blakes now, I own Blakes Now he's a keeper from me, but he kind of buying him at his peak. Here sr rate, here's the craft out of me? How not be better

than last? This whole playing in the a l e. Scares the craft out of me. So Blake s knows the If I use one right off the bat, it's snell power, I think is my other one? Is my guy? Pretty good about bauer Man and he's in a contract year. I kind of think. I think was interesting put it all together for a contract year. I think Nolan's an interesting one to descends. Leaning towards Nola too. Why his

his career has gone gone perfectly what you want? If you look at his skills over the past three years, they haven't necessarily something's changed. Your ray has been different all three years. I'm out so worried. But I think, but no, that is upside Like Aaron Nola at his best going to under any pitch, is that better than Trevor Bauer at his best going to under ending pitch?

Is it? I think Nola is better. I think the most logical outcomes starting to answering question Frank, but like I think the most logical outcome for the most logical outcome for Nola, I think is probably that he's still in this tier at this time next year because he's the same guy, right, Like he he's the same guy I think probably say he's the same like an early

third round pick year. That's okay, I just want to point out, okay, so right went from a hundred eleven hundred six to twelve, right, and he's find healthy to health has been all these guys, right, I mean, it feels like every single picture we talk about were worry about health, except for maybe like the Astros guys. To be honest, but he's progressed in each year. Right. Look at if you look at Kershell, right, and he's a great guy to look at a career and how you

grow and how how a perfect career would go. Kerschel did the same exact thing. His first year he only pitched like a hundred innings or something like that, and then he pitched like one in the five and then he broke out. Same things happening in Nola. I think Nola's having that same career progression, and I think that's what you want to see. This is exactly what you want to see between Nol and some of these other

guys that are going around in this range. And I think this is kind of like what Nick was saying about him was the stuff just isn't as good, like it's very good. I don't know what. It's just like his swinging strike rate, his strikeout right overall, it's just it's not the same level of upside that some of these other guys are on his out for like Bowers, stuff like his swinging strike rate and his cape or

nine was over eleven last year. Right. My problem without is why did it takes so long forms to hund point three four? Like he was nasty, but why it takes so long for him to get this good? But I think he discovered and then he discovered slider and that's all the difference. You know, Sometimes that that's all the Sometimes if you can find that money pitch. This is also a guy who used to walk a lot

of people. That worries me too. That could come as as Martina points out, like it to Clevely a long time. I had to figure it out. Yeah, well he was Bloomer was another one late Bloomer. Yeah. But the thing is, I want to see two before I get it. That's a that's a fair request. You want your ace to have throw two d get it right. I think the most likely to descend from this tire for me Blake, Snell and Syndergard. And it's not a matter of skillful Syndergard,

it's the crazy thing. The crazy thing with Synderguard is he also maybe the most likely to jump up to the next tier. A lot of volatility there. I think I've realized now why it took Mueller. It seems safer. No, I think it's real, right too, Syndergarter, Well, I telled you before you guys are discussing it like I don't know. Yeah, I've seen the side to break the tie here. Greg. Well, that's because you're a road o and I'm a point though. That's the only reason why. I mean, would you would you?

Would you take Peeler and would you take Yeah, because of the fact that per start I'm gonna get would you take in row days you just said, oh no, thinks because I know Bueller is healthy. Synder Card stuff is better than I can't argue that like a guy who throws a hundred miles per hour and has like a ninety two mile pro slider, like the guy's a freak Kyindergards are freak, But those are the guys that are more likely to get hurt my heart for never reason,

Frank tells me, Syndergard, I'm sorry all your heart. I'm sorry, all right. That was awesome, guys, it was a really great is flew by When we come back on Monday, we'll get to fourth row acton cleven Yeah, Corbyn, Strasburg a lot more, Chris benjam Nick pau Bavona, Sean Martino downstairs. That's Frank. I'm Greg. See you back here on Monday. We hope, h