Lower round wide receivers and breaking down the Beat Frank Stampfl draft...

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Heading into this weekend. It's gonna be a fun weekend. I got four drafts in two days, so it's gonna be a great time. But before we get into the wide receivers, Greg late round wide receivers. What a game last night? Man, what a game? What a slobber knocker and offensive Juggernaut surprise you what's up? And I watched a lot of this game competitions on watch it. There

are no making competitions on. So Judy had like a lot of food stuff on the DVR, like Beat Brunch with Bobby as well as the Kitchen, and I was like, I can't watch this tonight. So there's not there was nothing on TV last night at all. So I wanted to watch from Netflix stuff, but you didn't watch the shows that I was watching. So I was floating back before and fourth between football and old game shows, you

know what I I mean? Game shows. So I was watching Supermarket, Sweep Card, Sharks, Press your Luck, and watch all of those exactly. It was awesome. And then we're also watching the football game, and man, Nick fols terrible, Like I can't have believe this dude on a Super Bowl. He's awful. Not just win a super Bowl, he won the Super Bowl Relly Special, Greggy Philly special last night. And I get it. They were playing with the twos and whatnot, but like a lot of the decisions Nick Foles made

was horrific, absolutely horrific. It was gross. But I can't they made the Browns look like the steel curtain they did, I can't know. I came out with a lot of hot takes and takeaways from this game now, like I feel very I feel like I know a lot about the eat. Number one, Nick Foles sucks. Its great takeaway, right. Uh? Number two when small and pretty good, it look pretty good when small is player on number three? That jone

is not going to pick his team. I don't think so. Yeah. Uh, number four, that returner slash wide receiver who wore number two last night for the Eagles. Don't make the team give me their kick returner. He's pretty good. I love that you have like on the bubble stuff happening right. Yeah, that's to the Eagles. Frick Susman's on the bubble takes for the Philadelphia Eagles. Anything for the Browns. Yeah, for the Browns. Defense are gonna be good. Defense is violent,

They are always looking at the turnovers. Browns are sleeper defenses here. I actually don't think that's a bad take at all. I mean, given Myles Garrett, what the main thing you need on a defense? Obviously, is an elite pass rusher, and I think we're gonna see Myles Garrett come into his own this year. Obviously we know the

pedigree how early he was taken in the draft. You couple that with the fact that they tried to add to the secondary they drafted Denzel Award as early as they did, and they have solid linebackers who they have Jamie Collins, they have pieces along that defensive line to work with Myles Garrett. So I think everything that you're saying it's true. I think there can be a sleeper defense. Sleeper defense there you get to play the Bengals and Andy Dalton twice. I like David and joking, I think

he should be good this year. I would be a tight end one top twelve end orderline tight and one from me right now. Um and Jarvis Langer did be covered with targets, which which we already know. So that's kind of my takeaways from the Browns. I don't really have any Baker takeaways or Tyrod Taylor. Besides, he's tough. He's who's tough Baker and Baker. That injury did not look good. Initially, the wrist looked like he left the

game his almost like dangling. Everyone speculating that he has a broken arm, but he did return to this game. I don't think either quarterback looked great by any means. I think that status quo the Eagles defense is very good. Carlos Hide looked very good once again. He had the thirty three yard run. Uh so good Greg that I saw him go in the fifth round of the Beat Frank Stanfeld Draft last night. Fifth round for Carl's Hide. How was the Beat Franks Delo Draft? It was interesting,

it was fun. We had a surprise participant, Nando Dafino joined party, so that was a good time. It turned into beat Frank standfell and beat Nando Dafino. Um, and I did something I don't normally do. I drafted Rock Groundkowski in the third round. So we can get into that now, we can get into that later. What are you thinking? Well, you you mentioned right now, you mentioned the drafted to do it. Go go for it. Talk to talk to me about it. I know he texted

it to me last night. I was like, you know what, I like it pretty good? Oh you know, yes? So it was. It was a best ball format, twenty four rounds, full point PPR and I had the second overall pick, so I started with I started with Levian Bell and then I came back. I wasn't expecting this by any means, but A. J. Green is just there sitting around at pick twenty three. Great, so I ended up taking him. You know how I feel about him. I feel like he's one of the last elite wide receivers in that

second round range. But Stefon Diggs went ahead of him, and Mike Evans went ahead of him as well. Um, And then in the third round right there, I didn't love so at the two three turn at pick twelve, Truck actually took uh And Howard and DeVante Freeman, so I might have taken one of those running backs with my third pick. And once they went UM, I was

considering taking Doug Baldwin as well. It's something I've been saying that I would do if he's there on the two three turn, and I took Rob Gronkowski because I thought he was the best player available, So I was considering Doug Baldwin. I picked comes all the way back to me. I picked four crazy four or five parent I end up getting Doug Baldwin. Yeah, So that was

that was a good time. I ended up with Doug Baldwin there, and then this is I mean, it would have been the perfect draft if this happened Greg, But so I'm picked two, it's the four or five swing I take. I take Doug Baldwin. There, truck goes ahead takes Corey Davis and his other pick Chris Hogan. And I asked him afterwards, I said, if I took Chris Hogan before Baldwin, would you have taken Baldwin? And he said yes, I had to choose, and I had Baldwin

hire my ranking, so it's not even close. I'm happy I got Baldwin, but if I would have ended up with a j. Green Baldwin and Chris Hogan is my wide receivers, who's who's receiver? Much better than that? I took Josh Gordon with the very next pick, Dude. I mean the fact that Josh Corny give me that wide receiver one right and potentially so, and you have Gron the best time. Gordon has extreme right, and you have Levian Bell who did your RB to wind up being?

So I ended up getting uh. I got Jamal Williams on the sixth seventh turn. It took Jamal Williams isak Row. That's great, dude, it seems great. Yeah, And you know some people, you know, I put the team out on Twitter and I showed it to like some of my friends, and we were chatting about it, and they were saying, like, oh, you'r r B two is not good. I'm like, well, I have Levan Bell in a PPR. I think you know he's gonna do enough where I don't need my

r B two to be amazing. Ideally, yeah, you'd want it to be amazing. But in that third that early third round range, it was Jerick McKinnon, Derrick Henry, Alex Collins. I like Collins, don't get me wrong, but early third round um in a full point PPR, I don't know that I want to pull him up the draft board there. And then so I didn't like any of the running backs there. And then at the four or five swing, the best available running back greg was Lamar Miller. Lama

Milla sucks, and you know I'm not doing that. And I didn't want to pull Marshall Lynch up the board to the early fifth the early fifth round in a full point PPR. So I'm like, you know what I'll just wait, I'll just take to my opinion the best player available. So I kind of did something I went against like position scarcity and I just kind of went for value based drafting. And this this brings up a question that I have for you. Um, it's a strategy discussion,

Christma bona strategy reach sound the alarm? We sound the alarm? What is it? We have a strategy discussion? All right, right, so we can't talk about it. We'd just like to hear the rest of my draft. Not really anymore. I feel like the guy did a good board, okay, So I mean that's how it turned out. I got Jamal Williams Isaia Coil as my R B two's um, I ended up with like James Conner as a handcuff. I

got rex burkehead as well. We were talking yesterday, Oh, how far does rex Burke had fallowed down the draft? I can tell you exactly where he felt to He fell to the eight nine turn in a full point PPR and the best ball was like, I'll take a shot on that. This was a guy that was going in the fifth round just a couple of weeks ago.

I know he's dealing with the knee injury. But I figured, if I'm getting three rounds of a discount because of this knee injury right now, I'll take a shot if he can help me a few weeks throughout the season in the best ball format. I think that makes a ton of sense. I got Pierre Garson at some wide receiver depth. I ended up with both Cowboys wide receivers. I was like, look, one of these guys has to hit.

And I don't really plan on taking Alan Hern's going into like every draft that I do, but I'm getting him as my wide receiver five a lot of the times, and I think he has a chance to be this team's wide receiver one overall. Don't get me wrong, I've taken shots on Gallop too, but I'm gonna continue to do that. If you're getting these players at your wide receiver five and they have the opportunity to be a

team's wide receiver one. We don't know who it's gonna be between Gallup and Alan Hearns, but based on opportunity, I will take those guys as my wide receiver five. Do you want to have that discussion? Sound the alarm, Christmas, sounding the alarm. We have a strategy discussion coming, So I wanted to ask you, Greg. I got into a discussion with one of my friends about this, and he was saying, you know, in the early third round, you know, I would have taken Alex Collins, I would have taken

Royce Freeman. I'm pulling up the I'm pulling those running backs up the draft board. And I said, at some point, how far do you pull guys up the draft board just based on position scarcity? And I wanted to just ask you about this, like what would you have done? Would you have taken a grong, would you have taken a wide receiver, or would you pull a running back

up the draft board? Because you know very well when you're on the turn, you can't really think about value too much because there's a lot of picks before it comes back to you. So if you don't take your running back there, you're gonna keep waiting and waiting. Ultimately, I like how my team turned out, but I think it's a good strategy discussion. Should you pull running backs up the board if you're on the turn just based

on position scarcity or take the best value available? Right? So, so I think format obviously depends is very dependent on this answer. Right, this is football and pr and the best ball. So I think it's a little bit differently. You could take some shots at that RB two spot, um, which is what you did in Jamal Williams and Isaia Karrell worked out really well for you. I think you really do have to take the best player available more

more often than not, and then try and figure it out. Um. I'm on the other side of talked about this a lot. I'm on the other side of the drafting in my my home league, and I'm going to take the best running back, the best wide receiver available, and then in three four I don't think I need to take either one. I think I can take the best player. And for me, like if Gronk happens to be there at the end of the third round, which he won't be, I'm going to take him right like it's too good a value,

not too And I think the same holds true. And I'll say this, I'll never think about this in a million years, but if I'm drafting at the end of the third round, early fourth and I got like Aaron Rodgers is still there, how am I not gonna take the best quarterback in the fourth round. I have to. You know, it's easy. It goes against everything we believe in, but the value at that point is too good. So I'm all about value. I'm all about I don't care about the position for the most part. Um I would

I agree with everything you did. Aaron Rodgers is actually there in the early fifth round. I would have taken him, and I strongly considered it. But I thought of it like this. How often do you draft a team where you take a tight end and a quarterback in the first five rounds and that team really performs up to where you needed to be? Right? Like? I Like, that's what I was thinking. Can I take a tight end and a quarterback in the first five rounds and be successful?

So you were at what before? I took Josh Gordon as my wide receiver three that was the fourth round, took Baldwin Forth. Okay, So thinking at that point I had Bell, Gronk, A j Green, Baldwin, Do you take Aaron Rodgers? And I wrestled with it. I really really thought about it. Was it for you between Gordon and Rodgers? Yeah? I mean that's tough because I think Gordon's certainly in that tier where it still has a potential to be

a wide receiver one, which is really cool. I can't say I wouldn't have taken Rodgers, but because you're in the fifth round, it is like, oh my god, you can have the arguably best running back, best tighten, best quarterback in fantasy. That's crazy. It's four point passing touchdown for what it's worth. I think this is where scoring

format really comes back into account. In the full point PPR, you you do have to have three wide receivers each week in the best ball formats, so you're three highest scoring wide receivers, and I thought, if you need three, that's why it took Josh Gordon. Who's your quarterback? I ended up with Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, and Josh Allen. That's fine, it's fine you Josh Allen with an L O L next to it. That's correct. It's not very nice. I took him in. I don't know, it's not very nice.

Very nice Bills fans and Josh Allen fans. It was. It was. It was between Josh Allen like Sam Donald pretty much the rookies. He took Alan Overdonald. I think, how dare you call us a Jets fan, and he's like Alan over Donald. You know, you know my Scottishish ball team. I own Sam Donald. I like Sam darn but I think for fantasy Josh Allen might offer more because I think he's gonna run the ball more. I own Donald, and I own Baker Mayfield. Actually that lea.

I have Baker Mayfield and Tyrod Taylor in that league. That's my QB two. So if anything happens to Tyro, I have like a lot of I have a lot of moves I have to make before waivers are on, like I own people that aren't on teams. Just kind of issue. What do you think about this team? Overall grade? My starters are Andrew Luck and Patty Mahomes. I got Ricky Steels Jones to back up Rob Gronkowski as well.

There's yeah, of course, So I ended up with that there's actually kickers in this league, so I took Mason Crosby and Stephen Houskin, not that matters. I ended up with the Eagles defense and they have a bye week in week nine, So I was looking at which teams have a good matchup in week nine, and I found out the Jets because the Miami Dolphins in Week nine. So I took the Jets, and I figured that the Eagles are are going to be my top scoring defense

more often than not. Seeking of defenses, I want to get into the nund to the Fino theory before we move on the wide receiver after the break um. And the theory always was when you add up saxon turnovers in the preseason, you find out who's being the most aggressive? Right, which defensive are being most aggressive? So the Ravens played who in the Hall of Indian You remember, m m I don't remember, mm hmmm. It's funny eight teen Hall of Fame game. It was the Ravens and it was

the Bears. Dammit all right because it was the Ravens in the Bears, So those two teams have the most sacks, right, makes sense? After that? You know who it was number one? This isn't fair either Browns, Browns. They played the extra game in the extra game, so really I want to do this man handling the Eagles like Miles Garrett looked like a freaking man possessed interceptions. Other than the Bears and the Ravens, you know who's the highest uh not?

The Clulan Browns, Cardinals, Cardinals. Yeah, I think people are sleeping on their defense a little bit too much too for they went the wrong way last year. But I still think that they're a pretty good unit and to have a defensive mind to head coach forced fumbles. Other than the raven and Browns, two teams are in that mix. You know who they are, the Falcons No, I don't know, Cardinals, Cardinals and Steelers Arizona Cardinals. Steelers Arizona Cardinals also have

the eight sacks. The Arizona Cardinals folks or defense to watch this weekend. I want to see what they do. Arizona Cardinals Cleveland Browns defense is a good surprise. You about that. You know what's gonna happen. You know who the Cardinals play this weekend, Greggy No. The decimated offensive line of the Dallas Cowboys. So they're probably just going to rack up more sacks, some more forced fumbles here this weekend. I think people are sleeping on them a

little bit too much. I think their defense fell apart a little bit last year, and I think we've gone a little bit too far the other side now or the Arizona Cardinals, I still think that they have some talented players on that defense. Um, they have a shutdown corner, they have a solid pass rush as well, and now they have the defensive minded head coach. I think that the Cardinals defense will bounce back. I'm I'm kind of with you on this Nondo theory. Here of the Cardinals

performing in the preseason. There you go. In case you're wondering. The Arizona Cardinals in Week one face the Washington football team. Not a terrible start, not terrible. They don't have a running back. Cleveland Browns. They face Pittsburgh Chicago, they face Green Bad. Hey, why receivers come down next? Fantasy best Friends forever, from the NFL to the NBA. Daily Rohodo dot Com is the place to win millions in daily fantasy.

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into their drafts. This weekend is a mo Tis weekend for drafts. Who do the people need to know about that? We haven't spoken much about. Yes, we got into the wide receiver three discussion yesterday. We spoke about Alston Jeffrey a little bit as well with Virginia zakas of inside injuries. I think we move on right after that. I think outside the top forty is what we should touch on. Maybe some deep sleepers for those in Best Ball formats or even redraft. A lot of drafts are just happening

this weekend, so I think outside that's top forty. You know, guys like Calvin Benjamin, Mike Williams, who I think we all have some uh we have some suspicion that they could you know that they have upside this year. And the Cowboys wide receivers as well as the Panthers wide receivers. So I think Cowboys, Panthers, Calvin Benjamin, let's start there

and talk about those guys. Great, all right, let's start there, and let's start with with Kelvin Benjamin, the last guy that you mentioned here, Frank, because Benjamin is a sleeper according to you. I'm in on the Calvin Benjamin train. I kind of always will pick somebody else instead of him, But I don't tell people like a wi Max in on Calvin Benjamin, what makes you like him so much? Well, first, I want to ask you, why are you out on him?

Besides the obvious reasons, just the obvious reasons. All right, So who are you taking in his range when he's there? Rather Mike Williams, Probably I'd rather I don't. I wouldn't kill you for that, I'd rather Mike Williams other than that. Um, so he's my forty second ranked wide receiver. Where do you have him? I'm all right, so we're pretty close. Um he's the start of my next tier. Who do

you have right behind him? Like Williams? Right after that? Though, like, is there anyone like once you get into this range, like this is where he's falling too, and in my opinion, it's too far, like he shouldn't fall into like the ninth tenth round of dress. To be honestly, this is this year that I do have him in, and maybe I should have him at the end of my last year. But the guys I have in this tier as well as him, and again he's at the top of it.

I want to make that clear. It's Mike Williams, Savante Parker, the Alan Hearns, um, Michael Gallant Combo. I have Rochard Matthews here at Mark He's Lee here who I like more, Um, Kenny Stills here also, which I would consider taking over Helven measurement. You like Marcas Lee more than Calvin Measurement. They're in the same tire to me, they're as probably rank them higher that if you like them more. I don't like him that much. I mean, they're the same thing.

So the reason why I like Calevin menagement is is just volume. If you look at targets right from last year wide receiver targets of all the wide receivers who had at least a hundred and thirty targets, as Bryant was the lowest to finish as wide receiver twenty five. So this is just a volume play. Some other players in that range who had this amount of targets. Golden Tate had a hundred and twenty targets, Mike Evans had

a hundred and thirty six targets. So if you're gonna get I'll say the numbers of a hundred and undred and thirty targets just based on that volume alone. With as inefficient as Josh Allen is going to be, like Calvin, management had an inefficient quarterback playing with him before, in Cam Newton. Cam Newton never has a high completion percentage.

And I'm not saying that Josh Allen is the passion that Cam Newton is when Calvin Benjamin was playing with him, But that's the reason why we're getting Benjamin at that discount, so he's going outside the top forty wide receivers. I think he has top thirty upside. He's not gonna catch a ton of passes, but he can still finish with eight hundred, nine hundred yards and seven plus touchdowns just based on the fact that he's gonna get a hundred and twenty plus targets on a team where the defense

probably takes a step back. They might be trailing in some games. I think they're gonna have to air it out. I think a lot of those targets are gonna go Calvin Benjamin's way. Normally when we get into like this range of wide receivers, I'll gladly take him as by water septer four, water receiver five. I get that. I get that because of the touchdown possibility is so great.

Like obviously the builders are gonna score touchdowns at some point, and Josh Allen does have the huge arm, Kevin Benjamin a very big target outside of Kelvin Benjamin and Lasawn McCoy, who's gonna score touchdowns for the scene, Chuck Clay Clay, Yeah, he doesn't score a lot of touch he catches a lot of passes. He's he's better in PPR, but you know, maybe he'll catch three or five touchdowns. They got to score somehow. I think Kelvin Benjamin will be that somehow.

Would rather own Kelvin Benjamin or Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup, I have him in the tier head he's really he's clearly in that thirty to forty wide receiver range solid wide receiver three for me, I wouldn't actually want him as my wide receiver three. I would want him as a backup maybe by a wide receiver four or my flex ideally, but we spoke about it. He is Jared Goff's uh, he's Jared Goffs guy. He's he's go to weapon.

We saw that last year. He was top five in the league in red zone targets a year ago, and I don't think that's really going to change. Brandon Cooks is not necessarily a red zone weapon. He's a guy who's going to get the ball down the field. Robert Woods is that possession guy. He's gonna be there for PPR to to move the change for the Rams. I think once they get in the red zone, you look for Cooper Cup. I don't think he's gonna vow you

in any one category. He's not gonna have a hundred receptions. He's not gonna have a thousand yards, but sixty to seventy receptions, eight hundred yards and you know, six seven touchdowns. I think Jared got I think that Cooper Cup is going to be in that range. Yeah. I have Cooper Cup. Actually one spot ahead of Kelvin Benjamin is he's at forty one. Benjaments at forty two, but again he is at the end of the last tier. That's true. So I have I have Cup in the tier head and

I prefer to have Cup as well. Um also in the tier with Cup towards the end of it. It's Jordy Nelson. And I think Jordy Nelson is very similar to Kevin Benjamin and now he's a red zone guy. He's a volume guy that you just hope picks up a ton of pluchdowns essentially. I know you're not really in on Jordy Nelson at all this year, Frank, and I think it's kind of a mistake. Jordy Nelson is a guy who's kind of tough for me to rank.

I haven't met wide receiver forty nine. I just don't want him anytime that I see him in the draft. But he's just a name that I look at and I'll just pass over. I just I don't know what he brings to the table for fantasy this year. Right, if we continuously talk up about Amari Cooper and how he's going to be the focal point of the offense and how he's gonna get a hundred and thirty plus targets this year, maybe a hundred and forty targets. How

many targets is Jordy Nelson actually going to get. Maybe he'll score some touchdowns this year, but we were just I don't I don't know that he's going to score a lot of Touches's what he does. That's what he did with Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, and now it's gonnas going to happen. I don't know that that's gonna happen. I think what's over under in touchdowns for him? Six and a half? I mean I just made that number up. I don't know what I actually I understand. What would

you said that seven and a half? No, I think I think six probably being like that six seven range, But like, how many receptions, how many yards are you gonna get? I think Amari Cooper is going to be a target hog for this team. I think, you know, John Gruden has talked a lot about running the ball as well, that they want to run the ball. They have Marshall Lynch, They've talked up Doug Martin. I'm not a big believer in Doug Martin. I just don't really

know where Jordy Nelson fits in here. Maybe Amari Cooper. The path to Jordy Nelson being great again is if Mary Marie Cooper sucks. Sure, that's how it's going to happen. I don't think that's gonna happen. We're not here to make make Jordy great again. Like I don't care about that. I care just about him being valuable. It was like number five whire he ver ranked the number forty nine. I haven't ranked it thirty nine. He's a wide receiver four or five. You're not asking him to be great,

you're asking you to contribute. And maybe there's a little Greg Jennings effect. That's old Jake rule right where you just have an old veteran that's not gonna do all that much on your bench. But the one thing that Jordy Nelson is great at is scoring. The one thing that Michael crabs she was great at was scoring. The one thing that Mary Cooper is not great at is scoring.

Jordy Nelson walks right into this Michael Crabstreet role, and I think it becomes early on a favorite target inside the red zone of Derek Carr, and I think people are gonna want Jordy Nelson on the end of their mention this here. That's interesting to me that it sounds like you have him ranked higher than the Cowboys wide receivers I do. I just don't like that call because one of these guys can become the number one target for Dak Prescott and Dak has never necessarily lean on

just one guy. Well, that was my point right two years ago, when Jack Prescott had this really good fantasy season, who was the number one target? Cole Beasley? I guess Des Bryant was in and out of the line up. Terrence Williams did nothing, and Cole Beasley. Yeah, you could throw him to start him in a pinch, but at that point I'd rather take the touchdown upsid a guy like Jordy. So yeah, to answer your question, I do have Judy add of both Dallas guys, what's the touchdown upside? Though?

Ultimately with Jordan, like, if everything you think you said, you said it over six nap, I'm taking that over. I think you get eight nine touchdowns. Yeah, you know, I don't think that's crazy. I think he's probably closer to that six seven range. I just think how many touchdowns is Derek are gonna throw this year? Realistically? I'll take the over on that too. No, what's the highest he's ever done before? I don't know that. I mean, you're asking me he was injured his best season, get

injured the end of the year. You'll have it that either twenty two and twenty seventeen, twenty and twenty sixteen, assuming he was a career high, right exactly. So I'll tell you what you said, twenty five. I'll take the over. I just don't think Derek car is all that great either. Touchdowns He'll probably be in that range, I say, I'll say thirty. So you're a little bit more And you were the guy who was off John Gruden, right, you have a little bit more faith in this offense than

you were leading. I think the Raiders may I think the Raiders may stink, but I think that certain guys are gonna get there. If Derek car storing thirty touchdowns round number, let's say that how many of those are Mark Cooper catching? Let's say eight? Agree with that, right, Let's say eight. So just using that, there's twenty two other touchdowns to go around. Okay, how many is Jared cook cut catching? Five? Okay, that's thirteen? Is that too high?

En up? Four? That's thirteen. You're leaving seventeen available. Seventeen touchdowns available. The other wide receivers are more. Tavis Bryant, he's there, Seth Roberts is there, the architects. The architects, Seth Robert car does target in the red zone, because that used to be very frustrating if you were to Mary Cooper owner, if you were a Michael Crabt your owner. We know that in years past he randomly targets Seth Roberts in the red zone. Because I don't know how

much Shorty Nelson what there's no upside here? Like, if you're taking a bench wide receiver, why wouldn't you take a wide receiver that has upside? In my opinion, Jorty Nelson doesn't have upside. Maybe he could score touchdowns, but he's not. Why can't he do with Michael crabst you did last year? Why is that not realistic? What did

Michael Crabt you do fifty eight receptions? He was also banged up, he missed a couple of games, and he suspended fifty eight receptions, eighteen yards and eight the year before where he played a full season as a second wide receiver, and Mark Cooper right after everyone at Mark Cooper is basically a first round here as the wide receiver two in the Raiders offense in Michael Crabtree and eighty nine receptions, a thousand yards and eight touchdowns. Well,

there's no way Jordy Nelson does that. I agree. Let's say he has seventy five receptions and eight touchdowns. That's a good season. It's a valuable fantasy season. Jordy Nelson's seventy five receptions and eight touchdowns this year. I'll take the under on both easily. You can make some kind of bed here if you want, You can make that happen. I just think I'd rather take a shot on one of the Cowboys wide receivers emerging. I think there's more

upside there. Um they're gonna have to throw the balls to someone. I don't know how great the defenses. Yes, they're going to run the ball a ton. I know that they have Ezekiel Elliott, but I'll take a shot on one of Gallup or Alan Herns emerging. And remember, Alan Herns has a season with double digit to sound touchdowns as well playing with the likes of Blake Bortles. Dak Prescott is a better quarterback than Blake Bortles. I think Alan Herns is a competent NFL wide receiver. A

lot of people have been bashing him. Uh, you know, Alan Herns can't be Fantasy relevant at this point. I think that's hogwash. They went out and they signed him for a reasons, So I'll take the shot on Alan Herns Michael Gallup. I just I don't think Jordy Nelson has much left in the tank, and I can't really have a lot of faith in Derek Carr being able to make two Fantasy viable wide receivers when it comes

to Jordy Nelson. He's done it with Crabtree, He's done it with Cooper, But I just don't think Jordy Nelson is as sounded as Crabtree had been the past few years. I think Jordy Nelson's kind of done. Uh, you're probably You're probably right that he's done. I mean we dropped him last year. We we said he's not even he can't perform well for Alon Rodgers, who performed well for but I think that Jordy Nelson, there's just one thing that he has left. It's the ability in the red zone.

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Hell's kitchen barber. No, I mean like the guy who actual so, I said, Vladimir, YOURII I usually go to whoever is like available, So usually r l Um. Usually Ariel cut my hair. I I Reel or Steve, but Steve wasn't there, and Ariel had looked too along with the line. So just like Youriie cut yesterday here, you did a good job trying to come back to Erie. It looks like I think it's fine. I agree A four four eight four or three six seven nine. Uh, Let's go to Joe in Florida. What's up, Joe? What's

going on? What's going on? Man? I got the China. I got a third pick in our draft this weekend, and I'm trying to figure out, like who who pick up with the first pick? In the second pick? You know what way I should go with it with with third pick is the PR League MR Whiteboard series. What you got? Third pick? And this is a full point PPR, fir point PPR. I'll take David Johnson and I've said that before, Zekiel Elliott. I'll take him in the non

PPR um. I think he could score more touchdowns. But David Johnson, you know that threat for a thousand rushing, a thousand receiving. We've seen an eight plus reception season out of him. It's close between David Johnson and Zeke. But I'll take I'll take dj There, there you go, there you go, all right, listen PPR. David Johnson, the potentially the number three pick there on the phone four three six s seven nine to Darren in New Jersey.

It's up Darren. Hey, I have a question, um, how confident are you guys with mark Ingram coming back to pick him as your number two running back? They have to back him up with like a Carlos Hide and the Painton Barber. Yeah, so you just curved on the situation, just go with like Horse Freeman. Right. So so I think it's a great, great question. And I had the

exact question that isn't the question. And I had the same exact opportunity Darren, that you did, right, Like I could have taken Royce Freeman um, and instead I went with Mark. I went with mark Ingram um, and I backed it up with Jamal Williams. And that was like my combination, Jamal Williams and mark Ingram. I think, you know, Royce Freeman as good as he could be. Dvante Booker

still looks at me the starter for now there. I don't I don't exactly think, um, I don't exactly think that Vande Bookers will be able to hold on this job. But I am confident that Marketing comes back and gets

his touches. Now, maybe I'm reading too much into Sean Payton saying listen, we gotta find someone to take Ingram's touches during the preseason and believing that, hey, it is Ingram's touches him was still a thing, right, So maybe I'm buying a little bit too much into that and the love heat relationship between Sean Payton and mark Ingram. But I still believe that mark Ingram is going to has the talent to produce what he did last year. I don't think Al mccamarra is a guy that they

want touching the ball twenty five times a game. I think they are going to have a second running back, and I don't think Jonathan Williams is good enough to hold off Ingram when he comes back. I like mark Ingram, Yeah, I agree, And we've spoken about a few running backs that you can draft to pair with mark Ingram. Jamal

Williams makes a lot of sense. Even Carlos Good is a fine one too, if you can make that happen for the last pick of your draft, Jonathan Williams the mark Ingram replacement for mark Ingram until Marketingham comes back. In the league that I drafted mark Ingram I picked up I picked up Jonathan Williams after Waivers ran to make sure I had him to back him up too. So there you go. I'll take a break. There's more wide receivers come in your way and your calls eight

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you a question or something? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? What's up? Guys? How are you guys doing? Just lovely? How are you? Hey? Man? I can't complain, so I gotta I got a ton of questions here. So it's my first time doing a PPR format. You know, I've been doing standard UM for a couple of years now, but my first time in PPO format. I'm picking first. I'm kind of locked in. I got my mind made up on on girly, I mean in tips for me. You know that that that

second and third round turn. You know it's it's too crucial. Um, any any heads up that you can give me here? You play with two wide receivers or three two wide receivers? Um two? Uh yeah? Two running backs? Yeah? Yeah? Okay? Well um yeah, you take the running back with the first overall pick. Honestly, it's always going to depend on who's there. Um. I didn't expect agree falling to me last night in the second overall pick, So it just depends on who you have um on your big board

as your best players available. If there's a running back you really like, I have no problem taking one running back one wide receiver, especially because it's a two wide receiver format and a flex. If it were if you had to start three wide receivers, I'd be more inclined to say, Okay, it's a PPR, you have to grab two wide receivers there. But since you only start two running backs and two wide receivers, it really comes down

to your best players available. If you think there's a running back you really like, you take one running back and one wide receiver, and vice versa. If all the running backs you like are gone, go ahead and grab two wide receivers. Okay, okay, And also I picked on the Standard League yesterday. Tell me what you guys think of the squad right here, right go quickly, man, because we have we have a bunch of called the callers. You got you, dude, Oh my bad, mo badman. I'm

gonna make a quick all right. I got Andrew Luck as my QB. We got t Y as my wide receiver. One. I got s Quan as my running back. Lamar Miller is my running back. To I got Keenan Allen actually is my other wide receiver. One. Kyle Rudolph is my tight end, and I got the juice. Go ahead and bless them then as my flips. Hey, I love everything about it except one thing. It's gonna remind you, sir that Lamar Miller sucks. Everything else is awesome. I really like your team. Uh. With that, we had out to

Rhode Island. Talk to Mike. Let's going on? Mike, Hey, guys, thanks for taking my Carl Gray show. I'm just looking for some fantasy advice. He has my situation. I'm in a fourteen team PPR league and that's I've never been in a league this lodge before. I have the sixth overall pick looking at the a DP, my choice is the most likely Alvin Kamara, se Juan or DeAndre Hopkins,

and I'm just kind of concerned. I have reservations about both running backs, but also it could be big booms where DeAndre I kind of just feel it's going to be more consistent and take and then I'm concerned if I do take DeAndre, what happens in the second round, you know, fourteen, when that snakes all the way back at the latest second round pick, who's gonna even be less at running back. So just some advice on that,

and he thought, thank you. I think you have to go with the running back in that spot, whether it's Alvin Camara sac Markley. I'll let Frank pick. He's a master that we have to have similar decision potentially tomorrow. Um, I don't think you can take DeAndre Hopkins and and play running back chicken there. You can't play wide receiver chicken because realistically, the worst one that gets back to he's probably a G. Green and you're you're gonna be okay with that. So for me, it comes out of

Secon Barkley or Alvin Camara. Really your preference, Frank, in this kind of league, who would you take? Yeah, and a full point PPR league, I would take Kamara. I think it's very use between him and Barkley. If you if you trust the workload more of se Kwan Barkley and that's what you want. I still think he can catch, you know, forty fifty plus balls this year. I think I would take the running back as well. Greg. I'm with you. Um, I'm not sure a J. Green makes

it back because it's fourteen teams. It's a full point PPR, so people might lean on the wide receivers a little bit more, but I think you're guaranteed at least one of Mike Evans, t Y Hilton, Doug Baldwin. I think that combination is probably better than taking DeAndre Hopkins and then, like you said, you play with running back chicken, where you're gonna end up within a full point PPR. McCaffrey

is not making it back to you. It probably would be close with DeVonta Freeman and Jordan Howard in the full point PPR. I don't know how much you love Jordan Howard as your RB one anyway, So I would take Kamara or Barkley and then take the wide receiver in the second round. I totally, I totally, totally agree with the speaking of wide receivers. Um. I want to go back to our late round wide receivers. Some guys you may want to target late and imagine Kenny Stills

you had said yesterday. I like Kenny Stills. Hey, no one's telling about Danny Amendola is a rack out catches. I'm telling you, at full point pbo are at least early in the year you want to own Danny Avendola. Yeah, he's more of a I think he's just like a bench wide receiver. He's gonna be a bye week replacement kind of guy. And it's kind of similar to the Jordy Nelson debate. If I'm using my bench players more more than often than not, I want to take high

upside players. I think, you know, if you want to say, all right, I want to have a balance of solid bench players that I can use on bye weeks and guys that have upside. But more so you worry about bye weeks once they're coming, you know, really weeks four or five, six, seven, that's when you have to start

worrying about bye weeks. More so, I think early on you really just want to have a lot of upside on your bench to see if one of these guys pops early on, and then you know, you you realize, oh, I have a legit wide receiver three that I could play for the rest of the year. So I like taking shots on some more upside plays. Um instead, you know, maybe take a shot on a guy like Anthony Miller, who um Trabisky seems to be leaning on right now

in training camp. They're really talking him up. Even a sterling shepherd who in PPR is gonna rack up a ton of catches. Um, I think that makes a lot of sense. James Washington. James Washington, I think is a real like one of your last round picks here, but he has showed up in the preseason. Let me tell you that the contestant catches that James Washington has been making throughout the preseason, he looks to be better than Martavis Bryant already. And that's something I said to you

early on, Gregg. And that's why I like Big Ben is the fact that they have Antonio Brown, Juju Smith Schuster, James Washington, who a lot of people had as one of their top three wide receivers being drafted off the board in the NFL Draft. He went in the second round. I think he adds that element back to the Pittsburgh Steelers offense, and if anything were to happen to Juju or to Antonio Brown, he steps in as that wide receiver too. I like taking that step on James Washington

to Greg, Yeah, I think so too. I think, Uh, James Washington is one of these perfect young players, uh that you can take a shot at UM. I get it, and I know that I'm literally doing exactly what we tell you not to do with these older wide receivers, with Danny Almondelos, the Jordy Nelson's, I get it. I just see value there, man, and I just do I still see value. Rashard Matthews too, who now we finally know towards meniscus um and had surgery on that. It

looks like he'll be back in time. Now will that be enough, um? Will that be enough time to make a fantasy relevant I don't know, um, and I didn't draft him on a team. Now, let me get the Julian Edelman. We haven't spoken about him yet. He suspended for four games to start the year. At what point do you pull the trigger on Julian Edelman? And and have you done it yet? I haven't ended up with

him on any league yet. I've done a lot of Best Ball drafts, and I think it's kind of hard to take players who are suspended for the first four weeks in Best ball, UM, unless they're coming out a really really big discount, because you know the first four weeks you need to have rack up high scores as well. Remember Best Ball gives you your optimal line up each week. You don't set your line up, so I think it's kind of tougher to take suspended players, but there's a

price for everybody. And I think obviously his best format is PPR the range that I would start looking at him in the full point PPR, I'd feel like the seventh round is that fair? Like in that in that wide receiver three like in that thirty five to forty range and wide receivers, I think that's the time to start looking at Julian Edelman in the PPR league. I have Julian Edelman right now is my forty sixth range wide receiver. UM, I have him forty second and this

is half point same. So in the full point I move him up to thirty nine, so he's right in that range with Pierre Garson, Nelson agil Are UM. I think that's a good range because those guys are guys that are gonna help you all year long. But I think undoubtedly once Edelman comes back, he will be more productive than those guys on a per game basis. But if you want the consistency for throughout the entirety of the season, and I think you you lean on one

of those other wide receivers. But if you're stacked, if you have three wide receivers already, especially and you get to like that seventh round range in a PPR league, I think that's a good time to pull the trigger on Julian Edelman in the half point, would you take him? Would you take him before Helvin Benjamin. That's funny because I actually have them ranked back to back, But I will take Helvin Benjamin again, just for those targets all year long. I think it's a very good question. Again,

it comes down to roster construction. Um, if you have a little bit, if you have some more question marks in your starting lineup at the wide receiver position, I think I'd take Helvin Benjamin because I think there's more of a chance that he can pop and he can actually be a weekend and week out starter for you, especially early on in the season. Julian edem disagree. I think if you need if you have that risk, you need a guy that can pop. Like you know, after

four weeks you're getting back Tom Brady's favorite. You have to make it to four weeks first, of course, I I get that, but like Helevin Benjamin, you have to be in my opinion, you have to be strong at wide receiver if you're gonna take a shot on Edelman, because you can't you can't lose early on in the season, right, I hear you, I hear you. I Edman is a tough one because it's like we've talked a lot about

mark Ingram and I think about the difference. Right, that's a good point Ingram is going in like the late fourth, early fifth, and I'll look up the ADP right now, but I'm pretty sure Edelman is going like the six or seven. Does that make sense? Is that? Is that fair? That should be going? Right? So I don't know. That's what I'm hoping you to an answer. I don't know, like why is Edlman going two rounds after mark Ingram? Because for mark Ingram, like there's another running back there, right,

Alvin Kamara is on these teams. Saw what his upside can be, and he's not going to get me back to that. I think part of the reason Edelman is going so much later is because he didn't play all last year. He tours a c L last year, so we almost but that's a good reason for him to drop down the draft board past thirty years old? Is it possible that you just forget how good Edelman is

with Tom Brady? Though? Because of that we know that, Look, Tom Brady has always targeted his slot receiver, regardless of who it was, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman. He always targets that guy. And I think he will be peppered with targets why assuming he is effective once again? So why don't you if we know he always targets that slot receiver? Right, And that's what you're telling me, why don't we target Julian Edelman in that sixth seven and take Eric Decker

with your last round pick? Why isn't there the same even that Eric Decker makes the team, he's been got off one camp. Then who's the slot receiver? It's not Chris Ogan. That's not the Chrisogan's job. Who I think they can use. I think they can use Chris Hogan in a multitude of ways until Julian Edelman comes back. Okay, and you're also telling me that Deckard there's a possibility he doesn't make the team. Who are the wide receivers

on this team? I think the first four weeks you're just gonna see a buttload of Gronk and Chris Hogan and James White and James White. And they can use James White at the slot too if they want to get creative. And I think that's something that they can do and they will do. But Julian Edelman right now, according to Fantasy Pros full point PPR a DP, it's picks seventy three in as wide receiver thirty off the board.

So that's round that's pretty high. That's high wide receiver thirty off the board, but the round, the rounds not high. It's the first pick of the seventh round, right, so he's going exactly two rounds later than market correct markets early fifth Julian Edelman's early seventh seventh in a full point PPR. I think that's a good ring to grab as your wide receiver. Four you have three wide receiver like it a lot. Look. I have my doubts in him, but at that point you can afford to take that chance.

You can take the risk there because if he comes back and he's giving you his normal you know, six to ten catches a game, even if it's for fifty yards in PPR, he's gonna be at least a flex wide receiver every single week. That's gonna do it for us on YouTube. We appreciate you watching us all week long. We're to be back on Monday with our expert lea recap with the GST Draft. We have the Carton and Friends Draft. I will do all those recaps on Monday.

The Fantasy Football Frenzy with Corey Parson and jum Day comes your way next. If you're listening to us on a podcast or live radio, we continue the next five minutes. If you are on a podcast, make sure you give us five stars. Subscribe to our channel. Uh and lu comment please, we really appreciate it. Before we wrap up the wide receiver conversation, Frank I went into the rookie wide receivers because we haven't really named any of them this week. We spoke about Calvin Ridley a little bit

early on in the week. We just spoke about James Washington a little bit as well, and Michael Gallop. Okay, the only one we haven is the Maryland Turp. Greggy and Anthony Miller mentioned him a little bit earlier on, but really I didn't like, really we've got in death, when do you take these guys. I've seen them going in like the nine tenth round range as you're getting him as your wide receiver five. And this is again what I'm talking about, is like, why would you grab

a Danny Amendolo. Why would you grab you know, some of these older veterans. When you take a shot on a wide receiver who you know they use early round draft picks on these guys for a reason. Like why did the Panthers draft Dj Moore If they love uh Devin Funcius, if they love Greg Olsen stild? The answer is they wouldn't. So they clearly like DJ Moore and they're looking for a more explosive all around wide receiver

and that's why they went out and got him. I just do I worry about the Panthers receiving options overall because I just feel like they're going to take away from each other each week. I don't know that any guy is going to be the number one target in this offense. You can argue that Greg Olsen is the go to guy for Cam Newton. I think he's kind of lost a step. I think the foot injury from last year um is a legitimate thing, and maybe it's

something that can Linger again this year. But like do e J. Moore can have weeks where he pops off, there's gonna be weeks where, you know, Devin Funchu scores a touchdown because he's the big receiver in the red zone. But I don't know that there's a go to option in this game outside of like Christian McCaffrey. To be honest, okay, Um, we haven't really talked all that much abou Kenny Golladay.

I know you you've pointed out with Marvin Jones when Golladay was out, Marvin Jones spikes and Marvin Jones out Golladay spikes, You can't Kenny Gollad anywhore. I haven't taken him yet. I think he's more of a standard non PPR play because he has touchdown upside. But again, he is clearly third fickle in this offense in the passing game, Um, Golden Tate, Marvin Jones. I think they're gonna be there's and I continue to say this, I think the Lions

offense is gonna be more balanced. So I don't know that they can support three fantasy viable wide receivers unless something were to happen to Marvin Jones. Maybe this is more so a play if you take Golden Tate or take Marvin Jones. Just grabbed Kenny Golladay as your wide receiver five or six at the end of the draft, little handcuff action in case one of them gets hurt like that. I like that. What about the Jackson wide

re series? How do you rank them? I feel the way about the Jaguars receivers that they do about Jordy Nelson. Anytime I see one of them, I just I like Mark Easley. I think Mark Easley is a talented player. But again, you have to look at what teams do in the off season if they love Marki's leo that much. Yes, they brought him back, they gave him some money, but they also signed Dante Moncreeves. They also have Keel and Cole And they drafted uh D D Westbrook last year

and they drafted D J. Chart this year too. It's is it just that they want wide receiver death or is that that they're not sold on these guys as their wide receivers. I don't think Blake Bortles is all that great. I don't think the Jaguars are going to have a ton of passing volume this year. Honestly, any time I see a Jaguars wide receiver on the boards, I just look in another direction. Did anybody any other wide re siers that we have not mentioned that you

just want to give a shout out? So I think Cam Meredith is worth mentioning as well. He was a guy who popped a little bit in the preseason. We were talking about him, and now he's kind of falling off. We haven't talked about him again since then. But I think a late round wide receiver at the second or third option in this passing game for the Saints, I think he's worth taking a shot as your wide receipter. Five. Is there a wide receiver handcuffs? Say Geronimo or Jeronimo?

Else Bronimo. We're done. The Frenzy's up next, and Frankie Stamford, I'm Greg Susman. We'll do it all again on Monday, we hope.