Feb 26th 2nd Hour: Outfield Preview w/ Chris Ventra, Early Round Options, Pham, Springer, Cain

let me just becomes Fantasy best Friends Forever? Our number two, Fantasy best Friends Forever, Fantasy Sports Radio Network. That's Frank Stamfel. I'm Greg Sauceman joining us as he does each and every day. And our number two, it's the closer. Chris benders up. Chris, what up here? To close it out? Now? Number two? You know what I'm saying. Here you go, and we ended our number one trying to break down Stay Harper and Judge. How do you have those three

outfielders ranked? So right now I have I have Harper ahead of both of them. So he agrees with you. I have a Judge Harper, I haven't Judge. I have it Judge Harper standing, Judge Harper. I'm cool with that. You know, I think my my logic is a more normal one. I guess, Yeah, well, how does it a more Yankee fan one is it? And if it's the average deposition one to be Yankee, I just have standing

lass than that. Yeah. I mean, listen, Judge, I think Judge and Harper should be had a standing though we agree, I would say that we totally agree. Judge Harper, you know you could interchange those I think they're both you know, upsides crazy for both of them. So then let's get to the next tier, if you will. I have one other player in this tire, actually, Charlie Blackman. Yes, okay, so Truli black is not in the the next year, it's

in this year. Okay. I like him in this to you too, but I think in terms of a DP, he is actually in the new That's kind of how I was saying it. But you have Charlie Blackman's ADP right now is twenty five in the NFBC over the last week and a half. Frank believes he should be you both believe I should say that he should believe be in that Stanton, Judge Harper, it's here, Yeah, he's like right at the end of that yeah, and I agree with both of you completely because he's another one

of these guys. And I said it in the intro that you're you're getting in the second round or in a twelve team league of a two three turn that has the ability to finish in the first round pick. But Chris, if you look at Charlie Blackman, many people think of Charlie Blackman, he's not the same guy that he used to be. And I think that's why he's continued to drop over the past, really steal the years, steals. If that's not him anymore, why do you believe he's not?

It's he had one. It's not that and that's what you got. Seriously, if you plan your draft beforehand, if you're playing in a rod, if actually keep harping on this, you have to if you don't plan on taking an Adelbert to him honest see or a Malex Smith or a d Gordon or a Billy Hamilton at your draft, you just have to chip away. You have to keep chipping away. It has to be you have to have like everyone on your team has to be ten to

fifteen or at least eight to teneen. That's kind of like what I'm I'm building right now, like Jose Ramirez on my team is gonna give me totally five, Rice Harper is gonna give me ten to twelve hopefully, Mitch Haniger eight to ten, Labor Tores eight to ten. The only persons I drafted so far who I'm basically expecting

a zero is Haze Sagar. And I wanted his his power potential with with the counting stats in in Miller Park in Milwaukee, and I thought he was like the last of that first solid tier of first baseman, so I wanted to get him on my team. But seriously, like if you don't plan on taking a Mondescy, Billy Hamilton's, Malex Smith or d Gordon, you just gotta chip away.

It seems like you know, at least you know every other hitter picture has to be, you know, in the fifteen, or you gotta get to manage sit somewhere that's you, or you gotta get in the Metrose area. You have to be conscious of these things. So I'm gonna keep harving on that. And that's basically where I think, Uh, I think black One's gonna be again, it's twelve to fifteen, what about point? That's Rhodo right. So in points leagues, volume is king. You want guys who are gonna hit

at the top of the lineup. We're gonna play every single day that you don't have splits concerns about consistency. And that's Charlie Blackman too. You know he's gonna play every single day. He's leading off for arguably the best line up in baseball, with the best home ballpark in baseball. And because their lineup is so good and they turn out somebody runs, he gets more at bats. So the

volume is there, like he's great regardless of format. In my opinion, I think what people worry about and why you see him going is to me, there were a few warning signs last year in terms of a few more swinging strikes, hitting the ball on the ground a little bit more. He's thirty two years old. Everyone wants to be, you know, one year early instead of one

year late. So I don't think this is a declined guy, though I agree with I think, look, he's gonna he'll I think he's gonna drop a little bit, but I don't think it's gonna be to the point where he doesn't return second round value. My my projection for him is to ninety home runs, a hundred runs scored, board seventy five RBI. You want the RB I higher, but he's a leadoff hitter, twelve stolen bases, that's a second.

He's gonna have more than that. And exactly like, this is a conservative projection, even if you even if everything comes down a little bit, you have to think about this. The last three seasons he's had at least a hundred eleven runs scored and twenty nine home runs in each season. So I think that he's at least still a lot for you know, maybe it's not runs but home runs. He's gonna give you a hundred runs scored, and again he's gonna be twelve to fifteen stolen bases, and he's

gonna give you a good batty. And he even has the upside of even hitting thirty five homes. I mean, he can do that. He's hit thirty seven if he has some kind of random like renaissance season, or if he just has even if he has a month where he was just tearing the baseball, that could be the difference between twenty eight homers and homes. I think people will be surprised when Uniue'charlie Blackman's line from last year and they see, holy crap, hundred nineteen runs runs scored

in three straight seasons. It's very impressive. I think the problem is, I know you just harped on it. These getting Hose Prazza later or somebody that has some speed later. But this dude is not a thirty home thirty steel guy. He's not a twenty steel guy. He's a twelve to fifteen stone more days guy at this point. That's it.

That's it. He realistic expectations. A lot of the You'll see a lot of players do this where they they steal forty thirty bases when they're younger now, and he didn't have the power when he was younger, he was ms. Now he's gained a lot more power and lost the speed. This happens to a lot of guys that get older. So you're not really substituting the power for the speed because he's stole forty at one point. Now he's stealing like twelve and fifteen, but you are getting something turned

by him adding power to the reason. The reason that I questioned if he should be in that tier or not is a player that you hate, frank And that's Andrew ben Intendie. Because Andrew Benintendie, over his two seasons in the major leagues, has that twenty stolen bases in each one, so that at this point is more than Charlie Blackman. Black Men last year had the twenty nine home runs. Obviously, ben intendie struggle of that department went

down from sixteen. Many people believe that ben Intendi can go back up in the home run department and could has the ability to potentially get you twenty five home

runs and twenty steals. You get that, You're like, wait a minute, why wouldn't I take this guy over a potentially to Charlie Blackman, because he also has the ability to have a hundred runs scored like Blackman does, have an average around where black Man is strikes out a little bit less than black does more rb I is potentially Boston's a good spot to hidden, not like Horace, but Boston's a good spot that hidden. Frankie, you don't like Andrew Benintendie, yet you still are very much. You

know Charlie Blackman. How come it's a good question. Look with black Men, it's he's He's done it three years in a row in terms of the runs, right, like a hundred and eleven runs. Yeah, I realized that. And you know, look, you do want to try and get the stole the stolen basis. But black men, I mean, Ben Tendi has been twenty and twenty one in the past two years. It's not like he's thirty, like he's yeah, he's gonna get you know, he seven, he might get.

You know, he's gonna have seven eight more than black men. Okay, I think black men is still safe for in terms of batting average two because Ben Tendi. Yea, he was too ninety last year. The year before that he was to seventy one. And he still struggles against left handed pitching. Ben Tendi in his career sucks against left handed pitching. We had this right now. Ben in Tendy is has a two thirty four career batting average but a six four one ops against lefties in his career. So he's

he's gonna struggle against lefties. Yes, he's gonna lead off for this lineup. I think the runs could be similar. Um, you know, he had eighty seven runs scored last year, but that was with him batting second in the lineup. For the Red Sox. Now he's gonna move to eat off. So I think the RBI has come down a little bit, probably similar to whatever. You know. Charlie Blackman is gonna be seventy five, maybe eighty and black men safer for Homer runs too, and then he's been twenty and sixteen

the only way. And you know, I actually put a poll out before the show. You know which second round outfields, second third round Outfiel do you want intend? He's leading the pole by a little bit. He's ahead of Blackman, he's ahead of Marte, he's a head of Wan Soto. So people are buying that the power is gonna come. If you buy that, he's going to project and move forward and become a twenty five you know, maybe upper twenties home run guy. And yeah, you're in the camp

that wants to take him in the second round. Maybe you want to take him. My head of Charlie black and me, I don't. I know that he's still young, but based on his hard hit rate it was down last year, was below I can't really project him to take the next step yet. Now you would think I would. He's young. Come on, he's young, Come on, got upside the red, but I'm gonna go Blackman, Okay, just a

lot safer, I think right now. I do think that I understand why people would draft Ben Tenni before him, though, because like I could see why, like you're saying the leftist, but he could easily improve on that, Like he's twenty four years old. I mean you can't. You can't negate that. Like he's growing as a player. You went from two seventy one to nine batting average. You know, the guy could hit. I don't know. The stone base is a hard thing to predict. He could go. He could go

from basis tow to twelve himself. I mean it all depends on what, like how the system where he's batting in a lineup, how well he's doing, if he's getting caught stealing, like all that stuff matters. So I don't think he's a prolific base steal by. I mean he's he'll never reach thirty. I think he's gonna be around the fifteen to twenty guys whole career. But it's a question is the power. Will the power come? And I

think it will. He have forty one doubles last year, right Eventually those are gonna turn into power as he gets older. But I think right now black Men is the safer pick. I would rather go black Man. I think he's safe to the point where this could be uh which, well, Ben in Tenni's ceiling is what Blackman?

Did you know? Not last year, maybe two years ago, but Frankie put but frank pointed out when it comes when you're trying to break down Judge versus Harper, and you're we're trying to break down Judge versus Stanton, standing versus Harper, whatever, that those extra stolen bases matter. They ultimately matter when you're putting your team together, and you're right, maybe it's twenty stolen based guy for next couple of years and then go down to fifteen, down to twelve

kind of like black Man has. You're right, and maybe what black Man right now, no doubt he is. And if you think that Benn in Tendie could increase those home runs up to around twenty five, then you should take Ben and Tendie. Yeah, you don't have torn that's fine the case for Andrews, right, and then fine, And if people trust that, like you know me personally, I think he might be closer to like eight hitter Blackman, he's consistently around three hundred. Oh the batting average matters too.

I mean, you know, I wouldn't be surprised. He's a career, his career, right one bit if he hit three ten or three fifteen this year, it kind of would it would I don't I don't know. I don't think it would surprise. Eighty seven then three twenty four, two n three or two to me, I look at this, dude is a two nights. I think I'll hit two ninety again, I really do. But he's a safer one thousand. What is what is black Men's floor? Like, even even if

he starts to like to eight, probably his floor. What's Benintenni's floor to fifty to sixty maybe six sixty five, that's the difference he had to seventy one, which that was his lowest, you know, maybe two seventy. But again and you and you accuse yourself of this, right, Like he's a young guy. He was twenty three two, twenty three, twenty four, so it's like he's still with the rowing. He is even in the league for three seasons already

though like this already four games the first season. It was the first full season, and there's two full seasons in the league. If you're buying the third year breakout, fine, that's you. But I haven't seen in terms of where I want to see him improve getting better against lefties now of interesting, he could get better against lefties, and he definitely could, but over his two full seasons, hasn't

he He hasn't showed it. He had, you know, his ability to to make optimal contact, hit the ball hard, and that hasn't improved on that. And that's what I want to mention. Hit against lefties. He hasn't been like, he hasn't improved. This is what I want to mention again, it's the hard hit Ray Fans, You've been attended and I've been fighting attend. That was the Huges. He has to hit the ball hard her. Yeah, that about it, you know, and an error where everyone is ripping the

ball ratio under ten percent. How do you see a guy go from you know percent to thirty eight percent the next year? Like you see that high, but you you can expect some sort of progression with this kid. I mean, twenty three years old to hit to nine in the MLB, that's nothing. To sneeze that, Frank, what outfielders do you have ahead of Andrew Ben and Tende between Charlie blackman Um he starts laughing. Let's get into Sterling Martete. Starling Marte was paired with Christian Yellis. We

just said in your Great Fantasy Base Invitational. Yes, all right, so Starling Marte is he's not pretty chicken anymore. He's now thirty years old. Starring Marty always gets drafted around here, seemingly every year because of his ability to steal uh forty one steals in thirty thirty seven and sixteen in just seventy seven games at one hundred forty five games, thirty three stealers. Last year he's consistently stolen around thirty bases. Yes, again,

he's a year older. It was always the home runs, the power that you were scared off on thirteen home runs nineteen fifteen. You thought the power was coming and its disappeared nine sixteen in seventy seven games. Last it's seven, and then he was back up to twenty last year. I look at Starring Marte and I see a guy that's probably gonna about to seventy five to eighty realistically that probably will steal around thirty bases because that's just

what he does. Right, He's a two six career hitters, so seventy seven last time look at the past seen he was hurt. He played hurt. Yeah, and he also I think he got suspended. He got suspended. That's what happened. Suspended year. I mean Seen was as three eleven. So that's like the higher end. What stories contribute to? Yeah, he just I just want to say what a stories

contribute to. I want to say, that's just power. But even the eye, right, I don't know what he was taking, but he might have taken the Adderall power came back after the steroids. It did, scored seventy r b. He's not a comp eleet like nothing in power. You know, I wouldn't project him for twenty home runs. I think he's more like a probably like sixteen eighteen. Probably he's like Tray Turner light. You know, trade Turner is gonna

give you closer twenty home runs. The difference between him and Trade Turner is the Turner is going to give you. He's gonna walk more, and he's I mean, Turner has the ability he's gonna give you forty stolen basis, that's just fair in my opinion, if he stays healthful, he stay has the ability to steal fifty. You know, he has the ability to steal sixty. That's trade. I also think trade Turner could hit homeless. But you know, with Starling Marte then the stolen stolen based conversion ratio was

not great. Lest here. I mean he was thirty three, he was caught stealing, but he he ran forty seven times. Is gonna keep saying, m yeah, I mean yeah, like what else how they're going to generate offense in the picture line up? Like he's he's at the center of everything, the star, one of the stars of that team. So he at this point, at this point, this is and

you know, maybe you guys could could disagree. This is where I pull him off over Ben and Tendee because the stolen basis, to me, he's gonna givet is gonna give closer to thirty five, maybe forty with as many as you know, as many as he attempts the runs RBIs maybe not as much. You know, the batty evergeens at home months. I don't think it's that far off either. We'll talk more about these guys one soda as well, actually bats. Daily Rhodo dot com learned from the game's

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join the Fantasy Sports Network Fantasy Best Friends Forever. Fantasy Sports rad were great, great discussion going on here, and they needs right. I think it absolutely needs to um because we're trying to figure out what to do with these outfielders and Frank has One Soto and Starling Marte in between, Charlie Blackman and Andrew ben Attendi and his rankings. You can check those out if you give them five ten dollars spending what you're comfortable with over on his Patreon.

As we announced our earlier, we are no longer doing baseball over at road to experts. We are NFL three sixty five. So you're looking for baseball coverage. Frank's got his Patreon. Where can people find your baseball coverage? Chris not yet alight, but I will be doing a patreona eventually. There you go. So Chris Betro will have a Patreon coming out as well. And I'm quite sure if you drink message Jim and Venom and you'll probably give you

his rankings. Yeah. Absolutely, come up with a Fortnite season pass. Doesn't already got the free season passed. Believe me, if you want Chris Bench's rankings, he will get them. See you. It's just a small fresh to pay if that's all it is. All right? So we're talking about starring Marte during during the break? Do you have Marte in front

or behind ben Attendi? I know you have black in one out of those guys like Frank, does you both have them actually in the other tier and at the end of the tier you both have in the other tier where starring Martake just more take compared to ben In Tendi. I have Marte like right behind ben Intendiah. How come uh upside obviously of benn In Tendi. I think he's gonna hit a higher average than Marte. He walks more, Uh, he does a lot more things that

I like. The doubles, the bags are gonna be on Marte's favor I think that the power also, benn In Tendie is either gonna be on par with Marte or better. I just think he's gonna improve in all the categories that Marte. We know what he's gonna do, and you know what I'm saying. You know what he is at this point at thirty years old, even though he's had kind of an erratic career in terms of everything pretty much, especially the power. But I just I like ben Intendie's

upside a little bit more than Marte's. I like Marte has like a solid safe play to draft after him. But if you want upside and you want a guy that could be your number one outfielder or a top twenty player, I think ben Intendi is a guy that could do that for you. So I think the reason that frank I don't what your mouth, Frankie, but I think the one of the reasons that you don't have Benintenni is because you don't think Bendi Benintenni could do

what Ventor is saying. You don't think he could have the ability to beat at number one outfields or hit the third home runs that Chris thinks he could grow into. Is that fair? Yep, that is fair. I will say this. I think ben Intendi is better for points leagues because he walks more. He walks about five percent more he makes They both make a lot of contact. They both don't strike out all that much. But the plate discipline

overall is better for Benintendi. And you know, again, the volume he's gonna hit at the top of the Red Sox lineup, He's gonna see a few more plate appearances at batts per game than Stally Martei is just because I look, the Red Sox lineup is better than the Pittsburgh Pirates, There's no doubt about it. So in points leagues, the volume, the plate disciplined a little bit better. I would take Benintendi over Starring Marte for Rhodo right, just kind of putting them up against each each other. I

think the batting average is similar for both. I think the solimations are the biggest difference. I think staring Marte is like, you know, in that thirty five range, that mid thirties, maybe even has the upside to steal close to forty if he plays the full season. Yeah, but you know, the home runs um probably similar, maybe slight edge to be Nintendie. The runs for ben Intendee r b I s probably for ben Intendie as well. So

it's really the stolen bases. And you know, I think the home runs in the batting average will be close one. So does the other guy we have in this mix, Frank and One. Soto, unbelievably enough, was nineteen years old throughout lest season this year. He's going to be twenty obviously throughout the next season. Hundred sixteen games in the majors last year, he had twenty two home runs while patting two nine two strugg out of the time, but

he walks sixteen percent of the time. His eyes just ridiculous. Batting average balls and play was three thirty eight throughout the minors. His batting average balls in play was always above three eight he had. He started last year in single A, moved up the double A, played eight games up, moved up to A high eggballs, moved up to double A for eight games. The National said, f it guess the majors Now they stay there all year. Obviously is

supposed to be a short term window. Didn't wind up happening. He stayed all year. And if Pruss Harvard does leave Washington and as many expect, this is going to become the trade turner. Juan Soto show Victor Roblis as well. This is what the core of this team is going to be. They're going to count a lot from Juan Soto, especially being twenty years old. Every sign in there says this guy should be a phenomen Look at his hardia

percentage percent right around league average last year. It's not great data, but he's he's a guy that he goes. He goes to all fields. Greg he's a professional hitter. A number that you're not that you don't want to see. And again this is badded ball data. Groundball fifty seven percent at the time, that's the number you don't like. He has to improve on that. Numbers still home run to five ball ratio is almost twenty five. Not great,

as Frank said, not great badded ball data. If you're looking for reasons of potential sophomore slumping away, well maybe that whole run the football ratio comes down or so, maybe the groundball rate doesn't improve, maybe the hard hit percentage doesn't improve. But the big thing walks seventy nine walks in a hundred and sixteen games in four s. That's something that will not change. He has unbelievab plate discipline. Is gonna have them really played this point. It's that simple,

and that's something you really gotta like. And that will help him from avoiding a major sophomore slump because he'll still give you points in a point that he's still gonna give a point walking and getting on base and doing things like that scoring runs. I mean, he's just a dining play Listen, when was the last time you saw a nine year old player that didn't have a great career? Was the especially Felix one that did this? Man a nineteen year old who did this. He had

a historic nineteen year old season. And I'm looking at the strikeout rate at twenty percent. Gregg and based on his plate discipline. He had a seven point six percent swinging strike create reminder, league average swinging strike rate is you know, ten percent right around there, and league average strikeout rate is around So one of these numbers is out of His swinging strike rate was seven six but his strikeout rate was at So that tells me that

that's coming down. Like this year, he's going to walk more than he's going to strike out. He walked sixteen percent of the time as a nineteen year old. This chase rate was twenty two percent league averages like thirty thirty one. He like doesn't swing at pitches outside the strike zone. He has legitimate, awesome plate like hits recognition, plate recognition, knowing like what pitches are going to be

on the plate as a nineteen year old. I mean, look to two runs and only a hundred and sixteen games a p s again as a nineteen year old. A lot of you know, a lot of the Baseball Podcast and Fantasy Baseball podcast I listened to talk about this guy like he is the next coming of Albert Pooh Holes in that ILK in terms of you know, being able to square up pitches. And I know you mentioned the home on the flyball ratio greg at every level in the minor leagues, his home run the flyball

ratio was tent or higher. But what does that tell me? When he's hitting flyballs, he's squaring them up like he's he's getting the best of these fly balls. And when he's hitting them, I will admit, the groundball rate, it's kind of scary, I don't, you know, like I can't defend it because you know, I come up here and I tell tell people, I want to see, you know, more flyballs. I want to see line drives. I want

to see a hard hit rate. The groundball right over, I don't like that, But how many of those ground balls are hard hit ground balls? And he goes to all fields right like you know you were watching, you're watching the games last year where where the Nationals came in Kankee Stadium. He hits a home run down the left field line. Then he hits a bomb to right center field. He goes to all fields like he can, you know, like he's a professional hitter and he's only

gonna be twenty years old heading into the season. And he held his own against lefties, to which I love. He's a left handed bat. He had to seventy nine, with seven of his twenty two runs against left handed pitching. He held his own like he did every single thing and more than you could ask of a nineteen year old nine year olds incredible bro his problem. He's gonna walk a hundred and thirty times a year like in his prime, He's going to do that, and he's walking

eighty times at nineteen years old. I mean, like he's in the majors. How's he doing? Upside is he can hit? He can hit like three twenty this year like he had. Maybe that's what's upside. I have him a head of Ben intended. I haven't. I'm serious, anew that was changing because you look at one Soto and I was just especially for points essentially as you were sitting in your talk as you're sitting you're talking right like I'm just sitting staring at like stats in batty Ball of Day.

That like the reason that I knew you would have him ahead of ben Intendi, he's because you want to talk a guy that that can break out, that can hit the thirty home runs, that can early value became the superstar. One solo is more of that guy than Ben intended. Yeah, He's just he just is. So that is why you would have ahead of Ben Tendie. And I get it. I get that he's not gonna steal basis. That's the only thing we'll talk a lot about, stolen basis.

But he could be that next coming of a four category contributor when we talk about guys like you know, j D. Martinez and Nolan Narratano not to the same level. He's not gonna be said the same level, but he could be a player who, look, he had to last year in his first season. You're telling me that that batting average, based on what he did in the minor leagues, can't jump over three hundred this year, and he had

twenty two runs in a hundred and sixteen games. If he plays a hundred and fifty games, he's not going to approach thirty home runs. And then in the middle of that lineup with Trey Turner and Anthony Random and Victor Robots that he can't you know, drive in close to a hundred and score close to a hundred runs. He could be a legit four category contributor. He stole five bases in a hundred and sixteen games. You know,

maybe he'll chip in seven eight stolen bases. He's not gonna be a complete zero but four category contributor here. He does everything else. Who cares about the stolen basis? You know what I'm saying? Like, dude, this guy had three sixty two in the miners, right, you asked me during the break, what do you worry about with a with a sophomore slump. He's a different breed man, He's a different breed. That's you know, That's all I could say. His plate discipline, the fact that he go to all fields,

doesn't strike out much. He's gonna walk. Um, you know, when he hits fly balls, he squares them up. Those are gonna turn it to home runs. What's I mean? Yeah, you're either find me a knock on the guy outside of the ground ball rate or the stone basis, right, But yeah, honestly, so for me looking at it listening, I'm gonna take him ahead of everybody but Blackman probably they have ahead of Marte. I'm gonna take him ahead of attend But I'll take ben Intendi and ahead of

starring Marte. That's what I'll do. Listen, You're either gonna buy want Soto because his price is very hot. You're either buying him or you're not. And if you're buying him, you're paying for him. You're gonna pay for him because he's going high. He's going very high, and he should be. There's one outfielder he talks about the second show, but there's one outfielder that's in between. According the n FFEC, ben INTENDI wants to who's outfield eligible. That's with Meryfield.

You would probably, I think, play him at second base more often than not. Um, he goes off the board, not not necessarily the five outfielders. You're right, five outfielders and he's off the board. I would take him after all of these guys that we mentioned personally, I know he's a forty steel guy. I would take him after every having behind k Ris Davis and Rees Hoskins as well. I don't this, I haven't gotten there yet, but just where I have, he's not having. He's not he's not

in the with these guys to me. No, I mean, look in some NFBC drafts, he's gone in late second, early third round because people freak out about stolen basis. So he could give you forty post stolen basis. That's when people see and without completely killing you in home runs, like you know, he'll probably give you fifteen runs. That's what people see. And then you know then when you take him an are you guys talking about like on a Roto level right now or a points league level?

But are you thinking mary Field is better in roo? He's very good, important, he makes a lot of contact. He doesn't walk all of that much. He you know, he's like a what's seven percent walk RZ something I had? He had sixty one walks. I mean that's not bad. That ain't bad. He had forty stole bases right average was very good at three or four I meant three doubles. He's fine. He's he's good. But you know, look the storm bases at least, you know, not in my points league.

They don't mean much. You know, my home league is get two points, so they don't really mean much. He's more valuable in Rhoto. I think, yeah, I guess so, okay. Chris Bryant we talked about on yesterday show m he's in this mixed two. Well, we talked a lot about Chris Bryan all of us. And then you and I both like Chris Bryan little bit more than Frank does. And then we get to Reese Hoskins who we mentioned, Cody Belder we had. We really compared them a lot

in our First Base show. In our First Base Show, you probably played them in the outfielder, especially in in five outfield leagues. Um, you want some power. A little bit later, you you took some Chris Davis. It's Chris Davis. In just a second, I think, miss Christie, where hell is Chris Davis? You should be around this tire. He is utility only on some sites. Only on some sites. That's why do you actually be on on a lot of sites? Mean, he'll be I'm going to check to

confirm that right now by though, I'll check ESPN. But he is in the NFBC. He's only utility. He's only utility only. What is what do you do with that? He only played, Uh, he only played eleven games in the after last year. So if you play in the league where the previous year you only need ten games played to be outfield eligible, Chris Davis will have that eligibility. He does. He does have it in YAHOO. If you need, you need twenty games like he doesn't have it in

CBS either. I like that we all kind of play on different sites, so we kind of truly yeahoo, I play mostly CBS, Eventum plays mostly ESPN. UM. Yeah, you only played eleven games in the after last year, so if you need twenty, he's not gonna have Alphiel. Chris Davis let the league and home runs last year, but forty seven for the fourth consecutive year. UM comers strikes out, you know, a lot, hundred and seventy five strikeouts last year.

OVP was about three six. I think with Chris Davis, who probably belongs in the mix, I would say, guys with the Reese Hoskins and Cody Bellinger's that's like that that cruise a crew to me. Um, But he's a D eight if he is, if he's out, if he's outfield eligible, I'm saying he's actually a steel if he's a D H because people sometimes don't realize that he's

around just because he's a utility guy. Potentially, so, but how do you have the ality only would you take would you take him over Reese Hoskins, He wasn't utility if he was if he you know, being if he's only utility, only are you taking him over Reese Hoskins? Probably he was gonna have first base and outfield eligibility. Yeah, I probably wouldn't. I don't think they can't either, all right, So what do you do with a guy like that. You can't. You can't move him. He's just taking up

your entire of utilities. But when it comes to Rotor, you're you're drafting stats, you're drafting numbers. You know, when when it comes to the end of the third or early fourth round, you're looking for a guy who's gonna be forty plus home runs, a hundred RBIs doesn't matter where it comes from. It doesn't matter where it's where it comes from. Get you. You need to get your stats.

That's what it comes down to. And that's why he goes in the fourth round still even as a util you till only player, because he's gonna give you forty plus home runs. He's gonna and there's there'ser's value in that. You know, Yes, the two forty seven batting average, that's that's actually close to league average. League average batting average is right around to fifty. It's very it's very said. You know, look, Chris Davis, especially the tear that he

went on the second half. You know, maybe he has the upside to hit fifty home runs. He could, but you know your own you know they're safety in him because he's been doing it. You know you're getting you know you're gonna get forty five on runs. How many players can you say that about right now? Only help them on your hand? Aaron Judge, Chris Davis would a kay, that's it. Bryce Hawk, No, you can't say that about

Brice ha Hatie Martinez. Maybe Bellinger do it. You can, you can, but you could throw Joey Gallo in there. But I don't know. Guys Joey gallows Fair could he hit forty two years arow? This guy's better because he hit more than forty three years last year. You need Look, everyone says, oh, it's easy to find home runs because you can find them throughout the draft. You need more home runs to compete now in the roto categories than

ever before. So it's not just like, oh, you know, I'll find home runs later on the draft, Like you know, you need home runs to compete in that category. Forty undred and twenty three r BIS and you know we're sitting here every day we're talking to Matt Olson and Matt Chapman. We like the AI's lineup that has power. Here. Man, it's crazy. He's gonna drive and runs again. He had a ridiculous second half. But how about last year he upped his fly ball rate, hard hit rate forty guys ridiculous.

Strike ats actually went down last year. Yeah, strikes went down. Is the batting average would never it will never be. He leads bad if his bat was actually low, but he hit more home runs. That's why when we came back, the next tier guys to travel the show, Tommy fam George Springer, Laurenzo kine yac L PWI and more. Final

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you week everywhere? Yeah, wrestling with some stuff right here. This is the stuff that keeps me up at night. Too great to it during the day we're working. Yeah, well, you know, so, first of all, picking it take eight sucks. I know you can kind of like it, but you have to wait so long on both ends, and you can miss runs either way. Because you're pick eight. You have fifteen picks before it comes back to you one way.

You have fifteen picks before it comes back to you another way, So you can miss out on runs either way. And it's like you gotta wait so long for it to come back to you. Now. Look, I know it's harder for You know people who wait at the you know there at the end, they gotta wait even longer for it to come back to them. But you know they can make two picks in a close proximity. Pick eight. I mean you want to rip your hair out. You got to try and figure out, like, no, which which

positional run is gonna start this way? Which positional runs gonna start this way? Trying to figure this out, like I'm trying to plan my draft the next three rounds in advance. That's good luck, Yeah, socks man. Yeah, I mean, no one's forced me to play. I'm coming. I'm complaining about it. That was supposed to be stressful, right, it's supposed to be fun. Yeah, I'm stressed out over here. Well that is a big, big league, though, you know you want to do well in that week that league.

I'm trying here, Greg, you know, don't have some fun, Frank, Let's have some up next. Frank's guy this offseason. I mean to me, if there's one guy that I associate with you going into this year, Tommy Fam, this is this is your guy, Tommy Fam. He isn't a tier According to the NFBC going up the board about pick sixty along with George Springer, Lorenzo Caine. I'll throw y'all puig in here, David Donald, Marcelosina. It's a big tier. But like that's kind of the tear. We're not gonna

get all to them today. We won't have time. I realized that. But Frank, this is your opportunity. Why are you so in love the Tommy fan this year? I mean, come on, guys, what's not to love about Tommy fam We've been talking a lot about stolen bases and stuff, and this is a guy who, all right, last year he only stole fifteen basses, but the year before that

he stole twenty five. And I think, I think, I think he's gonna have the green light right when when he went over to the Tampa Bay Rays last year, in thirty nine games, which is about a quarter of an MLB season, he stole five bases. So I think he can come close to stealing twenty bases. You know, he's hit twenty one and twenty three home runs over

the past two years. He's another guy where he hits a lot of groundballs groundball rate for his career, but hits a lot of line drives, hits the ball extremely hard. I'm talking extremely hard. Forty eight and a half percent hard hit rate for the season. Last year in the sample with the Tampa Bay Rays that went up to fifty one percent. So he hits the ball extremely hard. He's able to maintain a whole high home run the fly ball ratio even though he only hits around thirty

percent fly balls. He maintains that because he hits the ball so hard. When he makes contact on his fly balls, you know, one out of every five of those are flying over the wall. I think he could be a guy, maybe even more than that. Basic He scored a hundred runs last year too, and that was only Dred seven games. You know, only seven games. I know, you kind of gotta bake that into him because look, he has he's never played more than a hundred and thirty seven games

and he's only played two full seasons. To Yeah, he's he's he's kind of an interesting dude, right Like last year with the Sports Illustrated stuff, the article before the year where he basically said, like, mind, I'm better than the Cardinals players. Why the why the f are these guys playing over me? You know exactly, he was like cursing during the interview and stuff. You know, he was very honest. You know, he wasn't shy about that. I

remember Nando said he loved that about him. He loved I'm sorry, sorry not if you're watching, but look, that was something he hates. You Well, Look he went he near with a hundred runs scored to seventy five batting average last year. I think he's he's better than a two seventy five batting average UM. Looking at his UH is expected batting average from last year, it was two eighties seven expected batting averages three or six year before. So you know, I think I think it'd be a

two to ninety guy, a hundred runs scored. He's got to stay healthy. I mean, I think I plays a hundred fifty games. He could be with a hundred run scored with a good batting average. He could be And you're getting to three rounds later he walked along. I like the guy. I don't see anything really bad about him. Besides that, I don't like the fact that you don't really hit a ton of doubles. Just said Talmers, really,

but who would you rather have? Tem discipline is great to George Sprayer, I rather have George Spring up, okay, hell come of the lineup, uh up, just a little bit more of a pedigree on the Springer's belt, and I think Spring is a guy that could hit Springer two years younger. Essentially, he's thirty one years old. Tommy FAM's late bloomer. Like I said, he kind of had a weird career. Definitely, Well, a lot of guys come

in late. It's okay, it's not wrong with that. But George Springer, he hasn't really lived up to our expectations we've wanted him to be. He doesn't steal bases, Like look at his stolen basis and his stealing the past three years, six and four. Last season he went five for twelve, so five stolen basis, seven calls stealing in seventeen nine stolen bases, ten at stealing. So he's not a bas He's not gonna give you stolen bases. He's kind of an accumulator. Like he played a hundred and

sixty two games in twenty sixteen. He needed all one sixty two to hit twenty nine home runs in a hundred and sixteen runs scored. He's he's an accumulator. I just I don't feel like rung with that. It's five. He needs to stay healthy, like the past two years he's missed at least twenty games a year. He plays a hundred forty forty games back to back years. Was down to twenty two last year. Absolutely hard hit rates

not great. It went down last year. It seems like he's always kind of battling some kind of nagging injury or mechanical problems. What's your projection for George Springer to sixty five maybe to seventy twenty seven eight homers going to score a lot of runs. He's gonna give a hundred hundred ten runs maybe d r A d r B. I no stolen basis five not five, okay five Tommy to eighty so better batting average, he'll give you home runs, so less less less for sure, I think he's gonna

be a hundred runs. So I trust more, trust Springer more for I trust Springer more for runs. But I don't think it's that big of a difference. Agree, I just bring it more for RBI. Not that big of a difference. And then maybe you know, fifteen and twenty more sole basis from Tommy fam and a better batting average, So better batting average and better soleing basis two very hard categories to come by in Rhodo over George Springer.

And then George Springer gives you slightly more pop, slightly more runs, and he gives you more RBI and more doubles. To me, I want, you know, I want the batting average and stolen basis. So I have Tommy Fan Yeah, I mean it's close in points leagues. I like Springing a lot though, just because volume, like great lineup. He's gonna, you know, like he he walks ten percent of the time.

They both walk a lot. Similar. George Bringer strikes out a little bit less, you know, George Springer kind of like Chris Bryant significantly less kind of you know, George Springer kind of like Chris Bryant and his MLB career. He's, uh, he's he's up, the batting average lowered, he's lowered the

strikeouts a little bit more. But in terms of that, like Chris Bryant the past couple of years, he's been made a more conscious ever to make contacts instead of, you know, just swinging for the fence and striking out more. So I think I think George Springer tried to do that the second half last year also, right, So his batting average went up fifty points the first half of second half to four nine the first half, three or one in the second half. Right, But I think he

made a more conscious effort to make contact. As you said, Frank, fifteen home runs in the first half, just seven in the second half. It was clear that he just simply changed his approach. If you want to look at the batted ball data um in the second half, he his hard hit rate actually was slightly less than it wasn't the first half, Okay, groundball rate in the second half. He was trying to make contact. It wasn't all George

spring hard hit rate last year. I want to know George Springs harder hit rates the two years probor though I have the thirty six percent two years ago, thirty three percent three years ago. Okay, I feel like this is like an outlier year for Springer, though I feel like he's closer to thirty plus two their five home run guy. Then he's he's been a full time player for about four season now. He's always kind of in his time. He's only played a hundred and sixty games once.

I didn't only put add fifty games. Not a lot of guys do that. But he's only hit thirty He's he's hit thirty four home runs only once. He's only had thirty plus once fans, And that was the year he had well, actually he didn't even have a full season, but the full season he had twenty nine. So thirty. Basically, you know he's got the power he has. Agree, Yeah, no, I definitely give him that. He definitely give him the

power over Tommy fans, no doubt about that. I just wonder what happened to the stolen basis he had sixteen and twenty. Well, it's it's very simple. He's bad at it. That's what happened. He's bad at it twenty. This is an organizational philosophy thing. Carlos Korea doesn't steal bases anymore either, I know, to a like he's Those are probably gonna come down this year too of injury. So, as fan Graphs notes, you don't steal a lot of basses, as fan grafs notes, which I I told you, he's got

a percentage of second about fifty percent. He's last year was his fourth straight season where his groundball rate increased, which is really very bad. That is that is scary. You don't want to see that. Look in Rhodo. I don't really want Springer and points. I'll take him. Listen this line. It's just tough to find any positive traits for him. Who said that Fan Grafts ventures about to go knock on someone. He's a great he's hitting my bat and he's a great source of runs. That's a

great team. This is Jeff Zimmerman saying that a great team you should get Jeff Sierman on the sholf after this. That's what he doesn't see anything that's good about him. Okay, so that's why he's Why is he a fantasy relevant player? Then Springers once had once had a rounded skill set, but now it's seen as skills stabilized and begins to decline. He's productive with little upside as he ages into his thirties.

I disagree. You want to read Jeff's erman on Tommy fam Yes, all right, where you finding these little tidbits? Where do you where though? All the profile? Yeah? Yeah. What owners need to come to groups with is how much of the drop was regression and how much was aging? When it comes to Tommy Fam because he saw a bunch of averages dropped in. His owners should expecting to season with a two eight average. He retains quite a bit of value on basically because he's a twelve walk right.

The big issues surrounding FAM is if and when and if he's when his eye disease uh, Herod's not heat tokenist will become an issue again a major leage hit her with vision issues. But about his eyes? Fantasy owners are scared off by his medical history. It's pretty good. He's a five category attributor. FAM provides value in all fast to the game while seventeen. His production should continue,

especially if he stays healthy. And we just have you try and pronounce that word over and over again, Harry talking. I mean it's not an easy one. I'm not blaming you. Why is he kind of fun about his eye to an eye surgery? Is that definitely? What do you say that? When? Did he have the eye surgery? Can we get the phonetic spelling? Hang on, I'll look it up. No, I do remember this was the thing last here with Tommy Family.

I think he had eye surgery. But when I'm thinking did he play after the eye surgery, because if he did, I mean the guy walked eight a ton of times to seventy. Sometimes listen to this. Hang on, oh Jesus, that's all right, well you're getting insected. Hang it was that. Here you go, carrots actis alright, you weren't that far off? Job pasaconis And here's your spelling. Be word of the day,

paconism his vision vision saving surgery. Look at that. Chris is Laurenzo Caine in this crew with Springer, and who else is Tommy fam right now? Uh? I don't know. I don't think. I don't know. I like him in the lineup, man, I like him where he is. Lurenzoka is the oldest out of all these guys, will be thirty three come April. I don't have him in the same tire. You don't have him at the start of

the next year year. Tier three for me is Sally Marte, Juan Soto, Andrew ben attending, Chris Davis with a Ka, Reese Hoskins with Maryfield, Cody Bellinger, Tommy Fame, George Springer, and Chris Bryant. That's the end of this tier. Tier four starts Outfiller number twenty is Lorenzo Kin you have him. Let start, He's a three category contributor, steals three very tough categories to come by, steals un and average can make You can make the case that those are the

three toughest categories. They are. That's just three tough. The three toughest category are not a category, right, So average average, it was been in the league average or on basement when it comes to last walks seventy one times last year, I think we took him over you in a CESPDUS if you're if you're watching or listening, Michael Florio as a call back to last year, was hurt and Lorenzo Caine went in the middle of the fourth round in my draft. Who was he was paired with Nolan Eronado,

which is just fantastic pictures. Yeah, it was Eronado and great synderguard Lorenzo Caine. Excellent, big fan of that. Better than my team, Yes, your first four years, Jose Ramirez, Bryce Harper, Walker Bueller, James Paxson. Thanks, I think, but I think both teams are good. Yes, I would say he's probably done a better job after that. I don't like I don't really like Joey Vado, but he took

Joey Vado. You know this guy's average. But yeah, like Lorenzo, Caine is a perfect player to pair with again, Eronado and j D. Martinez their four category contributors. But you you're continuing to get I mean, with Eronado and and j D. Martinez, you're continuing to get batting average category.

You're continuing to get run category. You're also getting stolen basis and you can afford to take a little bit of a hit at the home runs and the RBIs because those guys are gonna give you so much yea, and plus you can find like RBIs and home runs later on in the draft. Mike Mustock is, you could get ten twelveth rounds. So that's why if you'll find a lot of guys like that. So this is why I like Lorenzo Teaen. He's a good fit though, like with with these players, and he's a good player. I mean,

the average is always gonna be around three hundred. He doesn't he walks a lot. He does. He should go in the fourth round of a fifteen team draft. He should. He don't want him as my outfielder one though, I think he's a great outfielder too. Here's the thing, the walks. Historically he's not this big. I think he's gotten better man maybe yeah, experience, maybe he's played discipline one. Yeah, he's got But I think we gotta expect maybe the stole basis to go down a little bit as he

gets older. He's an older player. I don't think the sole basically gonna hang around much long. Grades going not eleven and a half percent less at age, you know, in his age season, because he's gonna be thirty three. All right, then you know, some people might get scared off and kind of like see the end coming here. But dude, not the three or higher batting average in the four of the past five seasons. He's always gonna miss a couple of games. Like he'll probably have one

t L stint per year. Ninety runs scored in a hundred and forty games in the in the Brewers lineup, hurt you in home runs in RBIs like ten and thirty eight. That's very bad, very bad. He's not a power here, very bad. You don't even hit it doubles. So yeah, what about it? Yeah about it? I forgot that. Yeah that Lorenzo Kin and George Prayer. Frank should do you have to change my rankings? Yeah, I'll still take I'll still take Springer. Lorenzo Caine's a little bit up

there in age. He's also gonna miss some time. I'll take Springer. Yeah, we get a whole lot more outfitters to go. We're gonna do it on tomorrow. Show for Chris Ventra, Frank Stanford, Christopa Vona, I am Grex Sausen thinks so much for joining us the fantas best friends forever. We'll do it all go tomorrow, we hope. M h