Feb. 19th, Hour 2: Catchers, preview, Tout Wars Draft, Machado stays classy in San Diego, and more...

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Sadler will join us at one twenty. We're twenty minutes from now. If you're listening on the podcast, I learned it makes sense because I was listening at different times, you know, Frank, so I get it now, man. But Shadow has stayed in the NL West heads over to San Diego to be their starting third basement ten years, three hundred billion dollars. Does the fantasy value change where you drafted him, Frank, I don't think it changes all

that much. I actually think, uh, I think we're gonna see his adp rise a little bit now that he has a home, gonna hit in the middle of that lineup for the San Diego Patres also saw a tweet from Derek Carti which compared the the right handed batter wOBA for Baltimore Camden Yards versus San Diego and Petco and Camdon Yards was fourteen and Petco was eighteen. So really not all that big of a change when it comes to wOBA for right handed batters. So, Manny Machado,

I think we'll be fine. Gregory's a little bit more about the motivate seen here or Machado. But I see a lot of the same numbers from Eronado that I do with Machado, and you're getting dual position eligibility, and you're also getting, in my opinion, tend of twelve stone basis. So I think he should be going in that ten to twelve range. All right, Fair enough, there you even a little bit higher. There you go with many Machado

towards the end of the first round. Other big story at the moment, Mike Mustakis signs a one year timillion dollar deal with the Brewers with an option for twenty. He's expected to not be their starting third baseman again, but rather they're starting second base. Frank and I just had the discussion last hour. Go back check that out on demand. Where we rank Mike Mustakis. I'm a little bit higher on him than Frankie is, but we're kind of close to the same range. Today's show was supposed

to be a catcher only show. Of course, we had the breaking news, which is important to get to you, But for the next hour we are going to spend it on catcher rankings. As we said, Lad Settler will join us coming up at about one twenty. Now, everybody's Tier one, Frank has J c Real, Muto, Gary Sanchez, and then I'd say everybody else. Is that is that fair to say? In my opinion, that is just Tier one and then Tier two starts with this whole big next group. Um, look, catcher is still not still huge

drop off after you know the eighth catcher. Both in terms of talent and ADP. The eighth catcher right now is Buster Posey. I have nothing to do with and I'll tell you why later on the show. What I'm trying to understand. That's trying to cut you off, but what I'm trying to understand. And I looked at j. Tiro Meto's numbers in preparation about the show. They're awesome, right like HER's a really really was bet was was awesome going to Philadelphia like a ton to absolutely like

the whole runs should go up. Um has a good average, Rianny's runs and everything should go watch there so much like about j j C. Really needs in the prime of his career. I get it. He's the number one catch off the board. You have no disagreement for me, say I should sucked last year like he was horrible? Did he wind up batting two hundred or now? How bad was he? Greg? I WoT you're ready to tell me? He was under two one on alright, So he wound

up batting one eight six luestion. He struck out twenty five percent of the time, eighteen bombs. Eighteen bombs of course, over just eight ten gimes. Gary Sanche just hits the crap out of the ball. But these numbers remind me of like William Rosario when he was on the Rockies all those years ago, right, like a ton of bombs, not this bad of an average, and there was a

guy that you were drafted. Is like, you know you're five ten catcher, but you believe the Gary Sanche has and many people believe, not just you, the Gary Sanche is in these jat real Metu do hear him trying to figure out why, Like, I know what he did two years ago. We've had at two seventy eight, had thirty three homers. Ninety eight was upside and then the next year you see the downside. So that's why I like Rio Muto as the first catcher off the board,

because he's safer. Gary Sanches even be in this here he was god awful last year. Luto doesn't have the upside that Gary Sanchez head. He doesn't have as much as I love Rio Muto and look I can, I can ain't the picture for you actually have it over on my Patreon if you go on and read about the real Muto trade. I mean his splits home versus a way outside of Marlins Park We're even more drastic than when Christian Yellis was traded away, So I understand

what he might be able to do. He has the ability to hit three, but he's not gonna hit thirty three home runs. He doesn't have that kind of upside. We saw that upside out of Gary Sanchez. So my opinion Santis higher upside, real Muto, safer floor, safer player overall. Um I would still draft him as my first catcher off the board. Gary Sanchez has a lower downside than

Real Muto, and we saw that last year. Why is the reason he's still in this tier, Greg is just because of what he can do, the ability to hit to thirty plus home runs. He's the only catcher that can do that. And because of that upside in the Yankees line up, hitting in the middle of that order with as many RBI opportunities as he's gonna have hit ninety r b i s two years ago, seventy nine runs scored. Because of all those counting stats, I mean,

you just don't see that from a catcher. That is the reason why he is still in this top tier. The strikeouts were up last year, but the swinging strike rate as actually wasn't, so I do think, you know, the batting average was a little bit unlucky. The babbit was down last year. The expected batting average was actually three compared to his three. Still not good. But Gary Sanders a career to fifty two hitter in his brief career, so I think he's closer to that. Even if he's

a two forty hitter to fifty hitter. I think you can hit you know, thirty homers seventy runs a d r BIS from a catcher. It's it's hard to it's hard to dispute those kind of numbers, that kind of projection great. So that's why he's still in this tier and rightfully should be. I still think JT. Real Mutos the number number one catcher. He's the first catcher off the board. These guys year one and two. J C number one, Gary Sanders number two. Where do you take them?

Not just like I know the number one, like I can tell you where they're where people are taking them. I'm not gonna have them because I just don't pay that price for a catcher. So Real Muto, you're gonna have to You're gonna have to use a fourth round price tegnet In in the in the NFBC right now, which is two catchers, it's the rotistory format. He's going PICKT. Nine. So in a fifteen team league, that's the middle of

the fourth round. In a twelve team league, that's the end of the fourth So that's a territory for J. C. Real Muto. I've heard. I've heard some people say that he should be going higher than that, that he should be a third round pick, because again, these stats away from Marlins Park are drastically different. Greg we're talking to forty four in Marlins Park in his career with sis

away re ten batting average eight fifty two ops. The isolated power goes up by fifty four points, the babbit goes up by almost a hundred and now he goes to one of the best hitting hitting ballparks in the league in Citizens Bank Park, and he's gonna hit in the middle of the lineup with the Philadelphia Philiates, with

Reese Hopkins potentially Bryce Harper as well. So people are making the argument that you're actually getting real Muto at of value right now in the fourth round, that he should be going in the third round based on you know what, he might be able to do my you know, realistic projection for real Muto to eighty you know, twenty two to twenty five home runs. And he's also going

to be in that at seventy no no more. Who have more than that eighty to eighty five RBIs Because he's gonna be in the middle of this line up, he doesn't give you as many stolen basis as he wants to. He'll probably give you like five to seven sotule basis JT. Real Muto, those numbers are hard to argue. He's the first catcher. He's going in the fourth round. Gary Sanchez is going pick fifty seven, so on average,

eight to ten picks later than JT. Real Muto, so one so one round later, he's still if it's a fifteen team league, still lee in the fourth round pick fifty seven? How come you don't take them there? Because you're just passing up on so much other great talent. Who the other guys go? Who are the guys with me? Fam is going in the fourth round? Who are the guys going between J. C. Realmuto and Gary Sanches? Like? What's that group? Carlos Correa, Patrick corbin Au handing Us

Squarez and James Paxson. Those are the players going in between. Is awesome. Squarretz is awesome. It's awesome, and also will plays in a great ballpark inside of a great lineup. I don't take these guys because I I can't pass up. Also, I mean, look captured, they're more prone to injury than any other position. Sure, and think about all like the foul balls that are being fouled off them. H Gary Sanchez was injured last year. He only played eighty nine games.

He's yet to play more than a d and twenty two games in any season, so you have to worry about that as well. And there were just you know, there are some catchers, uh, I like later on, I'd rather wait. I'd rather take the three to five round difference and get a guy like Wilson Ramos or he has mindy ground out a little bit later on on, or like even a Wilson co Tratrist to a certain extent. But um, yeah, I'd rather just wait and get one

of those guys as my catchers. Um, it's just I can't pass up on some of the players that are going in that range, and some of some guys that are even going after them Ozzy Albis, James and Tommy Fan as of right now, we love Tommy Fan in rodo you need five outfielders, you're gonna take a starting catcher before potentially your second outfielder. That's why I can't do it. It's lineup construction. There's people that can pull it off. I've seen, you know, I've seen people win

drafting catcher early. I've never been one to do it. I can't take a catcher earlier than the let's say eighth round, that'll be you know, eight nine round, that's when I'm gonna target my first catcher. Right. What about you? Will you ever own one of these guys? I don't want to say never, dude, to be honest with you, it's it's ultimately gonna be as a look at the labor results here, Um, it's ultimately going to be who's there?

You know? Um? Let me here. We're all right. So we're gonna have flag coming up in a couple of minutes with the dr roto in the fourth round, the end of the fourth round. That's exactly where he went in the toutward draft in hole okay, see end of the fourth wife. So compared to n FBC ADP actually got some of a discount there. He went to pick fifty seven the end of the fourth round, Gary Sanchez

middle of the seventh. The labor went at the end of the fifth round in the tout war draft in hold, so he went at pig See, which is still later than his ADP right now. So this he's there in the seventh round, like I would take him. I had no issue at the pick in the middle of the seventh beautiful, but listen to the guys, what don't He went around though, Scooter Jeannette, who just talked about Mitch Hannagher, A J. Pollock. Those are the hitters, Nelson Cruz, tr

as Shaw, those are the hitters. And this is why I can't take This is why I can't take the better And you're like those hitters like I'd rather probably have them. The Gary Sanchez people freak out about the catcher position. They want to have one of the elite options. And if you're one of those people, like this is where you're gonna have to pay up for. It's for either Rio Muto or Gary Sanchez. It's the fourth fifth round price tag. But again in the tout words draft

in hold. You went ahead of Bogar's he want ahead of Lorenzo Kane. You want to get ahead of HANDIGERI, Heno Suarez, Michael kinfordo Ad, Alberto Monazi, David Dahl, Ozzy Albi's on ahead of all those guys. And then Gary Sanche is just one ahead of you know, he want ahead of David Price, her Man Marquees, Zach Ranky, Zach Wheeler. There's some proven talent there that you're passing up on. I can't do it. By the way, the White Sox have released Yonder, Alonso Um and John Jay. No they

have it. I'm reading. No, they haven't say I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding all that just for Machado. All right, there you go, and it didn't happen. Um sit here, Leo, Gary Sances. Two of your to put the two top guys, top guys out the Wrestling Reference or Frank um outside

a real musical and with Shado. A lot of the names that in your Tier two, which you can read on Frank's Patreon right now, Wilson Roams, Monty Grandale, Salvador Perez, Wilson, and trays Yeada Molina, Buster Posey, Like, this crew of dudes has been around for like twenty years. These six guys the same You're only talking about Yadia Molinas. Of these guys have been the same guys forever. And this is the tier that I'm gonna live in to get

my first catcher, makes sense. I'm gonna get next, next, Randal Perez, all right, and even Yadia Malina to a certain extent because he's just get him. Like, I think he gives you similar production to guys like Wilson Tariers and Buster Posey. And it's because of the name value, especially with Wilson Trayers that he goes much higher than a guy like and Yadia Malina had like all season surgery. You know, he's not he's like a million years old.

But every single year people sleep on him. And every single year Yahia Melina puts up numbers, and you know, people forget about him. Wilson Ramos as of right now, I have as my my third ranked cash or Greg and look, he's going over to Milwaukee. It's a better hitter's ballpark than whether he was at with the Los Angeles Dodgers. But he's he's safe, he's a safe power source from a catcher position, maybe one of the safest.

I'll say you know him in Salvador Perez and Gary Schances, those are the safest power options from the catcher position. Has monte Garandel at least twenty two home runs in three straight seasons. He has seventy three home runs since that is second most among catchers, behind only Salvador Perez. Forty hard hit rate last year was the highest of his career. Always has good walk rate, so you could draft him in your O B P league, Greg, you can draft him in head to head points leagues because

he walks a lot. The strikeout rate a little bit high. You know, he's in the mid twenties in terms of k rate, but twenty three hey rate was actually lois last year. Greg, So grand um safe bed for power. I have his projection, you know to forty three home runs, sixty five r b I s. You get that from a catcher, do you feel pretty good about it? And he goes over to Milwaukee too, Yeah, Milwaukee's obviously spot

you want to be in. One of the reasons that we both really like Um, we both really like Mike Gustakas as well. You're in a really good lineup, You're in a really good park. You're gonna play every day. Like that's a lot of at also right, Like you're obviously a better ballpark than you were in l A. And you don't really have to worry about the Austin Barnes factor anymore, which is which is a thing going into last season if you can remember, Um, Yes, Monny

Grandalla is one of those guys. And I've owned Gondela a lot and he's warning year, didn't you I did. I've had the last couple of years in different leagues, but yes, I've never actually owned him. Is one of the streakiest hitters in all of baseball. Better for Roto,

much better for Roto. I mean he just wanted like again, I'm not We talked about stats and like other things and like I had to look into what other things are in place, and maybe some of them were like the yips that Grendal had to deal with them whatnot, but the Austin bars always on his ass, worry about that.

In Milwaukee, they signed him to you know, it was only a one year deal, but they gave him a good amount of money, and money they wanted him to be the catcher, and they've consistently made it known throughout the off season they want no holes in the lineup. Why did they go out sign a guy like Michaelsaki is absolutely they want no holes. I'm looking at this line up? Does bother you? Does it bother the Grandell is probably about what eight seven? Does that bother you? No?

Because look Luke who's bating ahead of him, He's still gonna have great RBI opportunities right ahead of him, four or five or four the four or five six just ahead him, Travis Shaw, Ryan Brown, Michaelsakis, who catch the picture Amy catches right now. Yeah, you know, I don't even think it's a worry either. I think Grandell was good, like in rodal Leagues, like, I love the honest money Grandell I just just bothers me too much in points leaves,

That's all. But you know here there's nothing wrong with him. Yeah, something wrong. I still I still kind of like, alright, we come back, We'll get back to like Wilson Romols and some catchers in this tier. Absolutely why I hate bust and Posey let a strong word tot wars have Vanty Machado stick around more right after us, Daily Rodo dot com learned from the game's best DFS players. We don't just give you premier advice. We play every day,

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calling in. At April four, seven nine to join the Fantasy Sports Network, Fantasy Best Friends Forever, Fantasy Sports Radio Network. Frank Stample, Like Rex Suspan, we are joined right now by the road O Gun, one of our favorite High six players we have to chat with. It's flat Setler was up Flood how much, gentlemen, how are you doing today? Not too badly? Not too badly? Eies many Machado day. So let's start off right off the bat. What do you think of the contract, what do you think of

the fit, and what does it do to his fantasy value? Man? I mean to be honest, I don't think the fantasy value changes all that much. You'll probably see a lot of people discussing today about how Petco is not a great hitting park. Uh. The one thing that is true, the Division definitely is tough. You've got some really good pitchers there. Obviously Machado got a taste of that last year. But it'll balance out a little bit with a couple

of trips to cores there. So as far as this fantasy value is concerned, I don't think it it changes all that much. You're still looking at a guy. It's gonna get your thirty homers, hundred RBIs um, maybe ten steals and a decent batting average. So all in all, fifteen to twenty two overall, I think is still a good price point for for him. What's going on, Glad,

it's Frank Stanfel here. I I thought that, you know, may Machado was had at a discount to this point, you mentioned where he was going kind of like that fifteen to twenty two range, who was going early second round. I see here in the tout Wars draft in Hold, which you are taking a part of, uh, that he

went at pick two, four, six, eight, ten. He went't picked ten, And I was kind of wondering why in more high stakes drafts and with NFBC ADP, why hasn't he more so lived in that range and that ten to twelve range, because he's gonna have the dual eligibility. Now assume he plays third base, but he's gonna have third base shortstop eligibility. To me, he does a lot of what Nolan Narronado does, but he also is gonna give you, like the those ten to twelve stolen bases.

I thought people were getting at a good discount, and I thought it was just because he wasn't signed yet. Do you think he climbs up draft boards a little bit? Now? Yeah, I mean that that's really the thing. I mean, you're not seeing him go ten and too many drafts like you did in this one. And of course, uh, the sort of little flip of the script there is that this is a non base percentage league here instead of

batting average. Um. But yeah, I mean, you know, there are just so many good players in that first round, and I think you know you've got Sale into Graham there as well up of pictures that people are interested in. So it's really a wide range. So you may see a slight little bit of uptick, but what it comes down to is when a guy like that doesn't have a team, um, you know, as it had been up until this point, it's really just gonna have an effect

on his ADP. And that's why in a recent draft, I mean I saw Harper go twenty five overall, and I bet you as soon as he signs, he'll jump back up into that tent five team range. So uh, it's really interesting to assesss and and the way that people look at things when a player doesn't have an official team. Talking to Glad Settler Roto Goo, one of our favorite high stakes players of Lesbian Studio with us, is always great to chat with him. Uh, many of

a shadow, I don't want to say over shadows. Mikero stock is what the over shadows Microstock is quite a bit, but we's not your signe for for ten million for one year in Milwaukee. And we were talking for the last hour of Frank about where he fits in our second base ranks. And I asked you the same thing, lad, right like, where is he gonna fall for you? I mean second bases? Um, you know, it's it's kind of

it's one of those positions. It there's value throughout, and I think there are a lot of guys later on. I mean, you know, I myself, I'm kind of liking some of those guys really late. I've been waiting on second baseman um, snagging guys who can possibly help me with batting average or you know, can contribute across the board. I'm talking about a late guy like Joey Wendell, who actually, you know, competed for the AL Rookie of the Year last year. Maybe somebody like Jeff McNeil way cheap, but

in Mustakis's range or even above him. You've got a couple of veterans and Robinson Canoe and uh um uh Brian Doser, who I think might have a bounce back years. Rognanto doors around there too, um. And with Mustakas you know what you're getting, Um, you are getting you know, a third basement at a second basement position, at a middle end field spot, somebody with good power, uh, and just someone who's always going to have a little bit

of a dragon batting average. But Henry signing there in Milwaukee is fantastic, one of the best hitter hitter sparks in baseball. So um, it'll be nice to see what he does this here, and I definitely wouldn't pass on him at his current a DP. We're speaking with Lad Seidler. Make sure you give him a follow on Twitter at

Rhodo Gut. I want to get into the tout Wars draft and hold here flat You mentioned this is an O b P format, so it kind of excuse some of the some of the draft picks here a little bit. You see a guy like Joey Votto go at the end of the third round, where maybe that might not be the case if this were just batting average, but you had picked you had pick six, seven to seven, you have picked seven here. Who are you hoping for

you ended up with Max Scherzer. Was that the plan was that exactly who you wanted or were hoping for someone else to fall here? I mean, you know this is what this is, what's happened to me, happening to me all season long or all draft season long, supple far is I'm just not getting an early pick. Everything is you know, ended up falling in the middle seven or eight, which is fine. Uh. You know, in this format, I thoughts starting with Max Scherzer was a good idea.

Grabbing him and Walker Bueller and the third um really just allows me to concentrate on building some hitters for now. But you know, at that seven pick, J D. Martinez would have would have taken him in a jiffy if he had fallen into that spot, but pretty much knew that he wasn't going to to be honest, I really wasn't expecting Max to fall there. I was thinking based

on some of the previous drafts I've seen. Um, you know, in the f S t A we had the seven pick and and insures or went five, so we missed them there. Um. But you know, I think there are some that can make a case that Sale or to Gram are the number one starting pitchers overall this year. But I think for the most part, Max is a nice, solid, safe bet, and uh, it felt like a good way to kick things off. Well, think it was interesting is how you followed the Max Schures your pick um et

in round to you. And that's what Andrew Ben in Tendee obviously came to his own last year. And assume you're expelling the breakout here in your two. You just been in Tendee in the second round, lad and four pictures went off. Five out of the next six picks were starting pitchers. It's even more than that. Oh my god, you're right, it's uh seven and next we're starting pictures. What did you think about all that? Why Ben intended there?

Because I'm just looking at this for the first time, like, whoa, this is crazy blood. Yeah. I mean it was picked twenty three overall there in the middle of the second round, and uh, pretty much any everybody that I was looking at um had just been sniped right before me been at Endy. It's you know, he's just somebody who who I think is despite being a top thirty overall guy,

it feels a little undervalued to me. I feel like, uh, you know, you could do a lot worse than um, you know, leading off ahead of the likes of Mooky Betts and and j D. Martinez. So I see a boatload of runs score score this year. I see him over twenty Homer's over twenty steals, possibly getting close to three hundred. Just a nice, safe guy and obviously helping o b p Uh. It was just really a case of there are some other guys that they just missed. I think Harper I would have taken how he had

fallen to fall into that spot. But you know, I just knew that I wasn't gonna go with the second pitcher there, so pretty much took who I thought was the best hitter at the board on it at that time. Would you taking Lindor? Yep, he was to pick right before me. I would have taken Lindora. I was gonna say you you had to be freaking out Francisco Lindor. I know he you know, he's dealing with the castra and he's expected to miss seven and nine weeks, which

puts him at you know, early April here. But you know a lot of drafts that we've seen, I know in uh in Labor just just last week he went a pick like eight or nine to Joe Sheehan. So for him to fall into the middle of the second round, you're probably freaking out with the potential of starting your team. Surezan Francisco Lindor, that would have been pretty crazy, man. Oh yeah, it would have been absolutely insane. I was sitting there, I wonder if he'll kept there one more

pick and uh. And of course, the way it always works is it doesn't happen and you just have to always have a backup plan. The crazy thing is that we keep seeing Frank we saw in this draft, as well as Jean Carlos Stanton going in the middle of the second round, Like I just I think it's amazing, I get these have this monster a year. And that was that was part of the reason that I've mentioned.

You know, if you draft at the end of the first round, you can afford to take a starting pitcher like a de Gram or a Sale because you could come right back around in the early second round and you're getting first round caliber talent that we've seen. You know, that was a couple of years ago. Last year, Jiancarlo Stanton was a first round draft pick, Paul Goldsmith was a first round draft pick. Bryce Harpert was a first

round draft pick. You're getting those guys in the second round now, so you can afford to kind of take a starting pitcher there and come back around and get a first round caliber talent hitter in the second round. We're speaking with Lad Seidler. We're going over his tout Wars Draft and Hold draft. If you check out my Twitter, I tweeted out the link here so you can follow along with what we're talking about. Uh, this is a

fifty round draft. It's similar to the NFBC style Draft Champions where there are no waiver wire pickups throughout the season. This is an O B format here, but it is fifty rounds and you just kind of you set your line throughout the year. But it's draft and hold. Lad continuing on in your draft, you know you took Max Cher's at first, you took Andrew Bennintendi in the second round. You come around here in the third round and you pair your SP two, which is a great SP two.

A lot of people are getting them getting him as their SP one. You get Walker Bueller and you pair him with Max scherzer Um. I asked Matt Moldika the same thing last week, and I'm gonna ask you as well. The one thing that worries me about Walker Bueler because I think the skills are phenomenal. The repertoire, the strikeouts, the walks, the groundballs, everything that he does looks great. He had a huge innings jump last year. Is that something that worries you with Walker Bueller? I mean a

little bit. I think it's pretty well known or at least people that you know that followed closely to know that you're not really gonna have any two pictures from this group. Um, you know, it's gonna be a sort of a mixed bag over the course of the year. They'll get struggling, some start my Eta Ryu. You know, they have just so many guys on this team, so much talent. Um doesn't even include maybe somebody like a

Dennis Santana who may make his way back eventually. Who you're Urias, who you know obviously is a big stud and still a young kid. So a lot of innings to go around. Um, and over the last couple of years, I mean, there really isn't a better team as far as starting pitchers ratios is concerned. Here are in with

So it's a really good team to target in fantasy. Uh. As far as Walker Bueller is concerned, Um, you know, you you know, maybe you're not going to get the full thirty two starts, but the ones that you do get are going to be very quality. You're gonna get strikeouts. Can possibly see some upside with him, and you're definitely going to get a lot of help in the in the ratios with the arian with there, we're talking to Glad Settler. Follow him at Rhodo Gut on Twitter. He's

a fantastic follow of course the high stakes player. He's the tout Wars had to head champ last year to make sure you follow him at the Gut. It's our guy, Glad Settler, Um, Glad. We were talking catchers. We'll get back into it um in a few moments, but traditionally this season J C. Real Muto, Gary Sanchez artsyre one and I pose the question to Frank. I want to pose it to you too, and that is Gary Sanches beat in that tier like this dude bad under two

hundred last year. I know, batting averages and everything. Obviously slid eighteen home runs. But you could use the eye tests, you could use a stat test, use whatever you want. This guy sucked last year. Gary sandrasill still be the second catcher off the board. If not the first Yeah, I mean for me, I think the definitely a clear little difference. Um, you know, real Muto to me is in a tier by himself, helf, especially heading over to Philadelphia.

Uh And um, you know the thing with Sanchez because he is so poor defensively and needs to date some Um, you know, he is a drag to the batting average. I think that's something that hurts. There's no doubt about the power. You're talking about a guy that if he's healthy and playing a hundred fifty games, they're gonna see thirty plus home runs. There should be no problem. And the answer usually lies in the middle of the player.

I mean, you saw what he did the previous season. Sure, batting average wasn't fantastic, but also he's not a sub Mendoza hitter. So you know the true um, you know, the true skill set lies somewhere in between. He plays the Yankee Stadium with a great team. Um, I think he fits in. Well. The thing is with me is I'm just not really I'm not spending for an early catcher. It's just a tenant that I've had for many, many years. Um. And you know, we saw what happened with Posey a

couple of years ago, Lucroix the year prior. I mean, people are spending a top fifty pick for a catcher, and something always seems to happen. So for me, I'm hitting on other positions. I don't care about position scarcity, and I'd rather kick things off with my first catcher being somebody in the middle range. That's kind of what we see. Greg. I'm I'm smart, No, Lad smart like me, or vice versa. I'm smart like Glad because I said the same thing. I just I can't use a fourth

or fifth round price tag on a catcher. Now. I was one of those people who I took down with Lucroid a couple of years ago. Uh, in the fifth round, I basically told myself never again, because I mean, there's just so many things that could go wrong with any player, but especially at catching, Like these guys can get banged up more than anybody else in the MLB. You know, Um, they're constantly taking foul balls, so on and so forth. You mentioned, Uh, you mentioned you live in the middle

of the middle rounds with catcher. I said, normally, I'll wait till round eight, nine, ten, somewhere around their Glad to target. My first catcher is that the runs that you're looking at, and who are a few names that you find yourself ending up with a lot this year at the catcher position. Yeah, I mean, you know, right before that in debt, you know, right before that Ranger you're talking about. I do think he has money. Grundal in Miller Park, I think is very intriguing. I think

he's gone arguably, you know, if not real muta. I think he's got a good shot at leading all catchers in um in you know, driving in runs this year, um probably you know, could approach home runs again and always a good walk rate despite hurting the average so Goodall is someone that's intriguing to me. I could do think Wilson can Traris of the Cubs bounces back. Don't think he is ever going to have as bad of a season as he had last year. Uh. And so

he's somebody that I'm interested in. And I'm actually a little bit back on the posey train, and that's only because you know, he's fallen. He's becoming an attent to leventh round pick. Uh. And that's even in fifteen teamers. So he's somebody that's intriguing to me. Uh, typically, I've been a you know, Wilson Rono's guy from the very beginning. He's getting a little older. Um, I do like that

Mets lineup. He's someone I might consider, But I do have a little bit of like gut tendencies that this may may not be a full season of health for him. This year. We're sponding, Buster posing, Buster posing. It's all about value, and I understand, you know, when he's on the field, he's still going to give you a really good batting average. What I worry about, Lad is just, uh, the consistent drop in power reminds me a lot of a guy like Joe Mauer. Right, It's like I looked

at them side by side. It's almost identical. They're they're isolated powers after their breakout seasons in terms of power. Uh, the they both kind of you know, just they've consistently declined. So I see a lot of Joe Mauer at the end of his career and look, Buster posey. He's not even as old as Joe Mauer was when that was happening. But you know, coming off the hip surgery, I wonder is he gonna play every day early on in the season.

Those are just some of the reasons. Me personally, I'm scared off Buster Posey, but I could understand why someone uh likes Buster Posey at the price because again in a fifteen team or you're getting him the tenth round, whereas in years past you have to use a fifth

or sixth round pick on him. Ye um, you know, definitely, and that discount has priced in there a little bit where he's going one fifty to the one seventy range for a guy that's been a fantastic hitter for so many years, and for if people just acknowledge that you're

going to have a little bit of that power drop. Um, just knowing that he's going to hit third in in a lineup, not a great lineup, not a great team, but somebody that consistently makes contact, um will help you an average, which I think is a very um sort of underappreciated category. UM. So I think there could be a little bit drip of value remaining with with Buster Posey. There pretty weight lad settler at Rhodo Gut. I've already seen the text message from Jake making sure that everybody

knows that Jake was the champ last year. Glad was the champter the year before. So I've already gotten that text message. So I want to make sure you're very clear that I Jake led all year last year, Lad wanted at some point, right, we're not wrong about that. Jake wanted all year last year, start to finish glad one the year before, So I'm making that very very clear. And and and that's of course, so it's also clear

that I was an aled tout last year. Um, so I wasn't in that league, so I'm sure maybe that's the stakes would have been a little bit different. There you go, There you go, Glad. We got under a minute left. So last question is catcher um related we've talked about. That's here the wilsgon chrais he has money, grandal buster posey, Frank, that's where you said you wanted to live, and it sounds like, Lad, it's kind of

where you wanted to live as well. Give me one late name that we need to know, a late name. I'm I'm I'm good with Omar norvayaz as a very late round pick won't hurt the cattle, all right, There you go, Vas, check them out. Franks been pumping him up and well let him do it. We can back as well. Let's sad than thanks so much for joining us. Come back soon man. Thanks guys, look at Jake. There you go, Blad, Southern follm At Rhoda, Gun Frank and all we back. Finish up Catcher on the other side,

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don't know a gurgle Relat. Check out everything Glad writes. Everything Glad does it is fantastic DFS stuff, season long stuff. RelA has it all. Uh, Blatt Setler does it balls. Not only is he an aweso high stakes player, not only is a former tout Wars head to head chap not lastly it was Jake, but you can also check out everything he has over at guru Elite. There you go, ghur really Lad Sadler, All right, Frankie, the Catchers. We've

hit on your money, Grandell. We've hit on the Big three if you will in this crew that you really like, Luster posey kind he's in He's in the tier if they don't really like him. But Wilson Ramos, Nope, Wilson Ramos is in here. I like Wilson Ramos. Salvador Perez in here, Wilson contraris in here. How do you break those guys down? So I have I have you his money Grandala as my third rank catcher right now, and I have Wilson Ramos as my fourth rank catcher, and

then Salvador Perez is my fifth. So those are at three or four five right there. That's really the range that I want to live in. That's where I want want to grab my first catcher. Uh. And you know they have they have climbed up draft boards a little bit here. Um. You know, I with what Lad said about the Mets lineup. I do like the Mets lineup. I think Wilson Romins is gonna be in the middle of all that. This guy has a thirty nine hard hit rate UM last year, which was his highest since

to since two thousand and thirteen. People will look at the batted ball profile and they get, you know, scared, off a little bit by the fact that he hits a lot of groundball. I don't mean to sound hypocritical here, because that's that's something that I'll call out other batters for having. But he is able to overcome that because he consistently has had over a home run to fly ball ratio. Um, so you know, it's something that he's consistently done. I think he's still gonna hit fifteen to

twenty home runs with a great batting average. Because he hits in the middle of the lineup for the Mets, I think he's gonna be in a good position to to uh to drive in runs as well. Look his three his three or six batting average last year let all catchers by far. The next closest was Buster Posey at two eight four. So he has that batting average upside. Uh not gonna hit a ton of home runs last year. His one hundred thirty game page was seventeen and a half.

So I do think he'll be in that you know, sixteen eighteen home runs range. But I do think he could give you, you know, and this is lofty for catcher seventy plus rbs in the middle of the Mets lineup. I think that he'll be able to pull that off. So you know, give me a two eight batting average, seventeen on runs, seventy and seventy five r B I from a catcher, I have him ranked as my fourth rank catcher. That that's he's one of the guys who are gonna be targeting very heavily. There's lots of the

obviously lots lots of they're with that projection. What about so the other guys there, Frank Salvador Perez. Look, he's he's the iron man. He's the iron man. That's why in the poll at Fantasy BFFs I I voted for Salvador. Depress. What is that poll doing by you talk a look, you let me know what the what the results are

going on with there? But at least twenty one home runs four straight seasons, massive, massive forty six percent hard hit rate last year, Wilsamos a charity, and the last Salvador Press, so you know you might be able to get him at a discount then, because it's it's the the old boring guy, the guy who just does exactly what you want him to do. Like, why don't people want players like that? You know, uh sala reprez. He's gonna he had two thirty five last year. In my opinion,

he's more of like a two six hitter. I think he's probably closer to their twenty one home runs four straight seasons. Mentioned the hard hit rate forty hard hit rate last year a career high eggs velocity nine point two miles per hour. Um, yeah, I mean he looks he hit the little harder and he hit more line drives than ever. But his babbitt was to forty five, which was a career low. So it doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. Not a great line

up in Kansas City. But guy's consistent and he's gonna give you twenty plus home runs. He's gonna be in the middle of the line up again. Another catcher was gonna give you seventy plus RBIs you know he's gonna play every single day. He's the iron man. Um, I don't Is there anything that you don't like about Salvat repress Greig, No, there's there's nothing. Here's what I don't like about it. If you're playing a p P or if you're playing a point leee, he doesn't walk. He

doesn't walk at all. That's always the thing with with Salva repress. So you know, you playing O b P, you're probably not gonna target him. So it's because I I did target him last year because I thought the value is going to be just good. I thought the value was just so ridiculous. OVP was horrible last year at to seventy four. The average was horrible last year at thirty five. That was also very bad at forty five.

But I really like about salvage Prez doesn't strike out either, right, and that doesn't strike out, but he strikes nder twenty percent of times. He just makes so much contact, and a lot of that's just really hard contact, you know what I mean. He's hard percentage is forty five nine percent last year, which is top fifteen all of baseball. He hit seven home runs back to back seasons. That seems really rb. I s eighty back to back season, that's real. I think what you see with Salvador Perez

is what you get. He batted. He had a hundred um, played in a hundred and twenty nine games last year and still missed the start of the season with an injury. Like he's an iron man. He plays and it's the end of the season with an injury too. He plays every day. You know he's gonna hit home runs. You know he's gonna have r B. I you know exactly what you're getting with Salvador Perez, and I think there's say this, there's something that to be said for that.

There's always something to be said when you know what you're getting out of a guy. And how about this, Greg, even with him not walking at all at all, he finishes the fourth frank Catcher and points leaves last year because the fact that he doesn't walk is mitigated by the fact that he plays every single day. That's the best that's the best thing about him. That's the best part of Salvador press like in O B Prodo. Though he does take a hit of course, of course, and

I get that. Leagues normally we like guys that walk. We like guys that don't strike out much. Salvador Perez is kind of the opposite of both of those things. He's not gonna walk, He's gonna strike out a decent amount. But because he plays every day, that's something that we also want. In points lead do you want um? We want guys that are in there all the time. We you know, we want guys at the top of the lineup, guys who were gonna see the most play appearances. We

want volume in points leaves. That's what we want. That's what Salvado Prez gives you. The home run of five ball ratio for someone like Wilson con Treres a startling under ten percent last year. The hard hit percentage was under last year. This is where we have to talk about what I mentioned earlier on in the show, because the statistically it tells me Wilson Contrais is gonna bounce back because he was atrocious last year. Beyond statistically, it

was so bad, so bad. But this is where you kind of buy into talk to him being with Joe Madden, and I've read quote from Joe Madden saying, Luke, We're gonna do everything we can to get Wilson Traier's back on track. The fact that he had prospect pedigree, the fact that just the year before he was a lot better.

So you're buying into all of those things. You haven't given anything, you ever really given me anything yet, right Like you're using just like all right, this is what I'm talking about, the mentality approach, But no I got you. I look at it statistically, I'm out totally, and I understand that. But when you give the heat the girlfriend a Michael Kopack, or you give me Gagura and the family issues, or you give me um Steven Piscott and his mother, right like, I got you. I understand that.

But you're telling me, just Joe Madden, we're gonna work here. Here's an exact here's an exact quote I got from Joe Madden. He became really down on himself. He dragged himself down a bit. That was last year, and so it seemed like it was a snowball effect that Wilson drest utterly sucked last year, and he really got inside of his own head, and that was part of the reason. It just it just kept snowballing, and he just got

worse and worse as the season got on. I went on, like Wilson Ramos, he's a guy that hits the ball on the ground a lot. The biggest difference between the Wilson's here, well, Wilson Taris has an extra L in his name. Not only that he doesn't hit the ball as hard, So the hard hit rate was down a

lot lass year. At least. You know, with Wilson Ramos, he hits the ball on the ground, you know, over fifty per son at the time, but he mitigates that by having a high home run the flyball ratio because he hits the ball so hard, so you know he's only gonna hit you know, maybe thirty percent fly all right, but one out of every five of those fly balls are going out of the yard. He's consistently had over

home run in the fly ball ratio. That's Wilson Rambos, Wilson and Dreris we had you know, we had one, uh, pretty good years year, but then last year he was very bad. So do we meet somewhere in the middle, do we get closer to his closer to his UH year when he hits twenty one home runs but it's seventy six batting average. He's doing that with a twenty

five nine home run to five ball rage. It's just really it's just really interesting because if you look at the stats from walk really went down, you know, about a percentage is not nothing crazy. The strikeout percentage is kind of similar the babbit kind of similar. The average in the OVP dropped, and as we said, the home run of five ball ratio was got awful each of um, especially last year. It went from to nine. His batting average was to fort nine. Bad is expected batting average,

which on Baseball Savant you can check this out. They use stat cast data. They use how hard you hit the ball, where you spread the ball to how often you strike out. They come up with a formula that tells them what you're expected batting average would have been. Ok, I think you guess what it should have been too. He hit two forty nine last year to nineteen. Oh my god. Even worse. They're saying he was lucky. He was lucky to have a two forty nine batting average.

All the projections and over on fan graphs. It does create a buying opportunity because you know, you heard Flat say it, and there's gonna be a lot of smart players who were gonna say, all right, let me let me buy back in on Wilson Travis. I'm getting him at a discount. Last year, you're paying a fifty sixth round price tag. Now you're getting him in the eighth, ninth round. You're getting a few rounds of discount. Here. I still trust the player. I still trust the lineup.

I trust Joe Madden to get him back on track. If that's what you trust, then sure. Statistically, there was nothing last year that said that he's gonna be better this year. All of the projections on fan graphs are

basically the same. Fifteen home runs to sixty runs scored, sixty rives, a couple of stolen bases, batting about to sixty And you know what, the stats actually support the fact that he got inside of his own head and that it was more of a snowball effect because from the first half of the second half he got progressively worse. In the second half, his groundball rate went up nine percent. Is his heart hit rate went from thirty one percent in the first half to twenty three point nine percent

in the second half. So there was really something going on. He was inside of his own head last year. Speaking of catchers that are going in the wrong direction, I can get behind him though, more so than a kid Buster pose and that's that's why one is getting lat seller said he likes the value of Buster posey. Where he's going now, you said you cannot do it? Why, It's exactly what I mentioned. Um I basically put him side by side with Joe Mauer and a lot of

the numbers. Um, we're exactly the same. You know, since since home runs that was that that was the last time we saw over twenty home runs out of Buster Posey is isolated power in every season since then, it was one, then it went down to two. Last year. You can argue that he might have been hampered by the hip issue. All all year his isolated power dropped to one over under one. He was at point zero

nine eight. The slugging percentage was at three two. He hit only five home runs in one hundred and five games. So I'll never doubt that he is a good source of batting average. He's one of the one of them, the better, maybe one of the best hitting catchers. Definitely that I've seen in my life. You can probably go as far as to say in baseball history. But then the power numbers are consistently dropping. Here we have evidence, um, the isolated power of the slugging percentage are dropping. Not

a good hitter's ballpark. And the fact that he's coming off hip surgery. Man, I mean, this is a catcher who you know, constantly squatting and you know when we spoke, when we spoke to to dr A about this. He

was also worried about this. He doesn't expect I was supposed you to be ready for opening day and and he he's looking more at the healthy to recover or the healthy to return time with Buster Posey as later on in the season, the fact that he's pushing himself to try and be ready for opening day because Buster pose he is telling people that he's gonna be ready for opening Day. That's gonna open up the risk for re injury, especially with a hip and being a catcher

and everything else that comes with the catcher position. I understand you're getting him at a much later discount than than you're used to seeing at a Buster Posey. I can't do it. He will not be on any of my team's, not a single one. I'd rather. I'd rather wait three four rounds and take Danny Jansen, big buster post. I can't do it. You mentioned Danny. You made me a five minutes ago. You mentioned Danny Jansen, You mentioned Omar Devayaz earlier. What makes you like them as as

late sleepers. So Danny Danson was actually one of the top catching prospects in baseball. He's gonna have the opportunity to play every single day now with the Toronto Blue Jays because they traded away Russell Martin. He had very good plate discipline in the miners, consistently over a chance to start the season in Toronto. Well, you know, you gotta look, he got a little taste last year. So Danny Janson played a little bit. But what if anybody

else deserves taste last year? Yea Vladimir Guerrero Junior. Uh, you know, I have you have the date that he's eligible to join A Friday, April twelve will be the earliest day, but it would be a little bit too obvious if they did it on the day of April. April thirteenth is the one that you're calling. Last year, I had the date written down. Man, not happen. But but Danny Danson's is getting back to him. Look, he's gonna be part of a an okay lineup. Um. You know,

he hits in a good ballpark in Toronto. He hits in a good division in terms of other ballparks. He's gonna travel to go to Yankee Stadium, go to Fenway, go to Camden Yards. He gets to uh, he gets to have batting practice, he gets to, you know, hit off the tea when he faces the Baltimore Orioles, starting rotation consistently under fiftcent strike out right in the minors, um, I think it's gonna be like a two seventy ish hitter to sixty to seventy hitter with double digit home runs.

I don't know that he's gonna hit like fifteen to twenty. Maybe he's more something like the twelve to fourteen home run range. But I think he could get there and uh and be like a two seventy hitter with a good ob P. So whether you're playing points League or you're playing ob P League, UM, I think Danny Jenson is gonna be uh, pretty pretty good bet there. What about Omar de virus So, Omar Narvaias is actually getting the opportunity to start consistently for the first time here

with with the with the Seattle Mariners. He's got some pretty drast six splits much better against right E's last year to thirty seven o p s against right handed pitching against lefties one five sixty six ops against left handed pitching, but last season to seventy four batting average in two twenty one games, a twelve percent walk rate, a seventeen percent strikeout rate. He's a he's a professional hitter, Greg. He hits a lot of line drives, he hits to

all fields. He's a solid hitter. Two seventy five, walked a lot, didn't strike out all that much. He hit nine home runs in nineties seven games. If he has an opportunity to play one hundred and twenty run in thirty games with the Seattle Mariners this year, hit nine home runs in ninety seven games, I think he's gonna you know, twelve thirteen home runs and not kill your batting average. When we talk about the catcher positions, praise man crazy. You're trying to find second catchers and just

don't hurt you. That's what Oldmartiner Vaias is. He's gonna hit two seventy with with twelve home run twelve thirteen home runs. Okay, that's all I've got, all right, and look at where he's going. Look, Oldmartiner Vaias real four break The rest of this dirt chief is your second, the rest of the Tier three Lannington Castillo Beef. I love big Beef. I can never get away from him. Mikes Nino will change a scenery. Guy. That's that's cool, you're getting picked one. He's the guy I would target

as my second catch. I kind of like Carson Kelly's my second catcher. Give it a chance, and I know he's gonna play every day because the Arizona's gonna keep three catchers. But he was one of the major pieces here of the Paul Goldman deal. I think they're gonna see what they have in him. So I kind of like Carson Kelly. He was supposed to be the next man up behind Yadla, so he learned from him a little bit. He's gonna be the starter for the Diamondbacks.

To sixty nine or higher batting average in each of the past three seasons in the minor leagues, all to fourteen percent, walk great in each of the past two seasons in the minors as well, So pretty good play discipline. He's gonna walk un't. I don't expect much from him power wise, and its twelve home runs. But again, when you're trying to find a second catcher, greg in Rhodo, you just want to find a guy that doesn't hurt

you all that much. Person Kelly, I not see him being one of those guys where he doesn't hurt you all that. That's kind of a guy like William's the studio. Did you see the video of him taking Jose Burrios deep yesterday? Season four? Burrios there it is. This dude gets up a lot of homers. Man. I remember the last couple of weeks of the season. I picked this dude up because he was, like you so like a five percent walker in a five percent strikeout rate. It's

Cooper walked three. He makes so much contact it will tell you a few other catchers that I'm targeting as my second character. Robinson Turinos not not gonna give you batting or whatever, but he's gonna hit close at Tony home runs in Houston. Who wants to walk with Alias Elias ds Remember the name Greg? Remember the name a studio. I'm not gonna start the year in the majors. Yeah, Frank Stam, Greg Susman runs a doctor runner up next

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