BFFs 7/31 Hour 1: Fantasy Football Second Round Breakdown

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all right, Okay, start to the show. Frank what's some happy hope day to you? Greggy, how are you doing? I just sleepless. I'm doing great. I uh, I slept well. I did a lot of things that you don't like, which means I watched politics last night. It was a good night. Not involved in that at all tonight too. It should be fun. All right, Well, you give me a recap tomorrow and everything that's going on probably won't. In the corner, Hey, that's your MIC's on under you.

It's a button under that table. I want to be sure it's on. There you go. It's Mike Floyd. Hey, Mike, Hey, Greggy and Frank. Uh. It's been a while since I've been in this seat. It's been a year. First, long time over a year since I've I've seen Greggy, I've seen Frankie since then, but it's been We got the invite to Lukers. I heard. I had literally no idea what was happening. I was told we were going to

some chicken spot. Yeah. There was just like I was walking and I was like wait and there was like fifteen people I knew in front of Lugers and I was like, this is awesome. That's awesome. It was a great night. But delicious. Did you like your food more than Frank did? I loved it, Frank, you didn't love it. It was a little it was not cook. I told you I liked the food right now. They said that it was a little bit more read than I would have liked. Well, we had this discussion. Frank said, how

do you eat your steak? I said, normally medium, But when you come to a place like this, medium rare, Like you gotta do that And Frank said, no, I'm more of a I listened. You like your steak medium? Well, you said, right? Is that it right? Is that is that bad? It wouldn't say it's good. Yeah, I think that's a little bit overcooked. Just I don't I don't like my meat too block it makes you feel better. The President likes his meat well done. Let catch up,

Let's catch up. I don't do either of those things. I hope not. Let's bring in our buddy, e y or Yo, what's up you y going on? Boys? Uh? Wine shirt days? We're all looking real, real, real solid um. Dixon Flannel company sends me all my shirts and they are the best colored shirts. You can wash them, the collar never crumbles or fades. I mean, I'm telling you, these are the best shirts and they're super affordable. Awesome stuff. Awesome guys. There you go, And that's a plug for you.

If I've ever heard one, e Y strikes me as a big steak eater. E Y, how do you eat your steak medium rare? Uh? Well, that's what I the other day. I would have loved that he was a man's man, was there. If you're a person that that eats steak well done, don't talk to me totally. Don't get it well done. I don't. I don't get it well done. You wouldn't mind it well eat? Eat slice

roast beat from the from the grocery store. Something. You're wasting your time, amateurs, amateur Uh So the story of the Hawaiian shirts in this room that you're seeing, we told it last week, going to relay it again. So the Hawaians were all wearing are from my closet, and these were all worn by me in the sixth grade when I was twelve years old, and they all still fit. They somehow fit, they stay somehow fit us pretty nicely.

To be honest with you, That's why I was saying right before the show started, I would love to see a picture of sixth grade Greg wearing one of these shirts, because I had to be addressing. I don't think it was. These fit us very well, in fact, quite perfectly. Actually, Like this is like I went to a store and was buying Hawaiian shirt. This is the size I would buy. Yeah, I would not mind laying on a peach right now with a with a fruity drink in my hand, pretty

drinks or that day. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. Whatever you want to do. I'm pretty sure at least mind and Frank's close from like middle school would still fit us today because I I don't know about Frank. I think probably so. But baggy clothes were in when we were in middle so I used to wear like a four x T and like I was like five foot, it would fit me. It would probably be big on me. Today it's pretty good. I didn't button it up because like the shirt has a hood and stuff, but it's

fitting pretty well. I think so too, man, I think so too. Alright on the program, name is gonna be a great great show today because an our one. We're going over the second round. Frank and I today first round, mok. We only had one player that was not in um the same in between the first round, and that was Michael Thomas. Michael Thomas, that's right, who signed a big extension today, and I had Joe Mixing. That was difference Michael Thomas versus Joe Mixes. So one player each that

was different. Everything else. We did a couple of picks for each other, so that was pretty cool. I assume that today will be a little bit different. We're gonna go over the second round. Will we come back that we'll do it now. I'm gonna tell you guys what our first round was, and you let me know both you Mike and you euy, what really stands out is

wrong to you? If you could, like, well, let you know what we did, and you let me know what you really dislike or we're all so for me my top twel when you care years In the second, frank take Kawon Barley number one, c MC number two, Alvin Camara, three, Ezekiel Elliott, four, DeAndre Hopkins five, Davanta Adams six, David Johnson seven, levy On Bell eight, Jimmy Connor nine, Julio Jones, ten,

Michael Thomas, Levin and Juju twelve. Frankie take Kawon Barkley, Alvin Kamara, CMC, Zekiel Elliott, David Johnson, Davante Adams, DeAndre Hopkins, Julio Jones, Levian Bell, James Conner, Joe Mixon, and Juju Smith Schuster So Flora after hearing that, what do you think mine would be a lot different only only because of uh, not a lot of different names, but different order because of stylistic approach this year heavily, heavily a believer that there's a finite value of running backs. We

are going to give you two fifty plus touches. I want one of those guys on my team. I like the receivers in round two a lot. I'm gonna get a running back and round one kind of guy. So this is like my top seven picks would all be running backs. What stands out to you in our first rounds? Yeah, I feel like all those guys are are fairly there. Like I'm gonna be honest, I still have Ezekiel Elliott one. I believe they're going to get it done. Jerry Jones

will pay him, he will play this year. He's been in the system for a while. He doesn't really need to be a training camp. Zeki Elliott's my number one one running back and that hasn't changed. But I mean the order would be a little bit different for me, but that's basically and Nick Chobs are definitely in my top twelve. Nick Chob definitely in your top twelve. We're gonna get into Nick Chub because he is my next twelve.

We'll discuss where he lands as well, and some of the other running backs like Damian Williams you here from Todd Gurley, who I know Mike Floyd has a lot to say about. We'll get to that on today's program as well. It's gonna be a fun first hour in our number two. Well, it's a witching hour, right, We're gonna the last hour off into the MLB trade deadline. I know e WI doesn't give a crop about that, so that's good. You won't be on the show anymore.

So that's cool. Um that's the second hour of today's show. First hour. It is our entire second round preview. So stick around, it's e y, it's Florio, it's all to b f f's together. Reunited Hawaiian shirt would be a big,

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find us there. Enjoy the show and thanks for listening. Com We're back here with you to be a fast Frank staffle Michael Florio in studio, Eric Young as well Rocket on Hawaiians, we were called the Fantasy Jimmy Buffett's I don't like it. I get behind that lem in on it wasted game Maville. You know I have a wedding next year at Margarinaville in Florida. Really yeah, it sounds like something you're going to love. I don't see how I wouldn't love. Can you wear your Hawaiian shirt?

I'm going to ask if I just wear like a sports jacket with my Hawaiian Yeah, and maybe just button it all the way up and wear a bow tie with a wine shirt. I get your Head's that supported? All right? Let me get to the second round here for me and Frank will reveal his and you guys will obviously all comment at number thirteen. Overall, you're not gonna like this one Florio for me because it's another wide receiver and he was the one that just missed

out of course in my first round. Clease's number thirteen clearly, Um, that's Odell Belholm Jr. I had a hard time differentiating between Michael Thomas JUJU and Odell's. Odell is the next highest player on my board. I think he's in store for a big year with Cleveland as long as you

can stay healthy. A lot of what you've seen on Twitter over the past few days or all the um all the throws that Eli missed them right all the throws where Eli was high and and Odell had like seven steps on um a quarterback, and that should change now with Baker Mayfield throwing the ball. I think O'Dell again. As long as he stays healthy, He's in lying for a big year. He frank he's my number thirteen player overall in the first pick of the second round, I

don't have him number thirteen. That's where Michael Thomas comes in for me, who you had inside your top twelve. I still I like Odell Becky. Come I don't have any shares of Odell Beckham because based on where you haven't ranked, other people have him ranked very similarly. And whenever I'm in that position, I'm always going Juju over him.

I'm always going Michael Thomas over him. So I like Odell Beckham, but I haven't really been able to grab him, just because there are other wide receivers in that range and I think are a little bit safer. Odell Beckham admittedly might have a little bit more upside, but really I just want to build my foundation with my first two picks. I think Michael Thomas and Juju are safer than Odell Beckham this year, Florio, how does that has threesome work for you? With Juju, Odell and Michael Thomas.

I think a lot of it is your format, like and half PPR have them back to back to back. I have it Hill, Odell and Juju. Yeah, well oh oh Michael, Okay. So Michael Thomas is to me, he's four. I have Tier one for me and all my formats is Adams Hopkins, Julio, Michael Thomas. That's my top four, and then my Tier two is a combo of Beckham, Juju, Hill and Mike Evans and Antonio Brown as well as in there. But I like, I do like Odell Beckham. I I do have a few shares of him already.

I'm with you, Greggy. I think him and Baker could set the world on fire. I would not be surprised at all if Odell finishes as the w R one this year. We know how talented he is, and he's gonna be in the best offense he's ever been in, with the best quarterback I think he's ever been with. So I'm really excited for Adell this year. Emy. What about you when it comes to Odell Beckham, Michael Thomas. Um. I guess you could throw Tyreek Hill in there as well. I wasually get to him in a moment um as

well as Jus Schuster. I have a hell above all of them. Then I have Odell Juju than Michael Thomas. I don't think the Saints are gonna throw enough for Michael Thomas to be in in the top round or even um closer to the top round of the second round. So it's, uh, it's it's a sneaky one for me. Yeah.

I think it's interesting because that's where you come in, right, Frankie on Michael Thomas, that you don't think the Saints are going to throw enough to make him not be awesome, because he's going to be awesome, but not as great as these other players Tyree Hill, Juju Smith Schuster, and Odell Beckham Jr. Right. Yeah, I've talked about this a

lot when we were previewing the Saints. I think there's a direct correlation between how much they've been running the ball the past couple of years and their defense being better in the fact that Drew Brees is passing attempts keep coming down. So I agree with e Y to a certain extent. I don't know that Michael Thomas has as much upside as other players in this range, like Tyree Hill and Odell Beckham. He hasn't finished higher than wide receiver six in any of his first three seasons.

He hasn't finished lower than wide receiver seven, So he's very consistent. You know what you're going to get out of Michael Thomas. If it's a question of consistency versus upside, I tend to lean with the consistency. So that's why I have Michael Thomas ahead of those two guys. But admittedly, I think Tyreek Hill and Odell Beckham probably have more upside overall than a Michael Thomas. But I have them all in the same range, like, for example, Tyreek Hills

my number four team player. He's my next player off the board, right after Michael Thomas. Florio, you have Michael Thomas inside your top chat Obviously, e Y and Frank a little bit different. I am, I have them fit. I have him fourth, But I think that's here actually end with Julios. How come you're so high on Michael Thomas? What these guys aren't? I do agree with Frank. I'm

don't think the Saints are going to pass a whole lot. Actually, Drew Brees isn't even a top twelve quarterback for me this year, and maybe I I know, like I'm always like I'd rather be off a guy year earlier. So that's the thing too. But Michael Drew Brees last year, first time throwing under four thousand yards since two thousand five, fewest past attempt since two thousand four. But even with all that said, Michael Thomas was a b S last year.

Michael Thomas is this team's passing offense. Their whole offense. I think is Michael Thomas and a mc kamara this year, Like I wouldn't be surprised if they both combined from monster numbers, dominate target share, dominate air yards, dominate all the percentages of everything we want to see, it's gonna go to those two guys. So I do trust Drew Brees to get his from Michael Thomas. And Michael Thomas

is super consistent. He has some of the best hands in the league, is some of the best routes in the league, and he just got paid and we don't have to worry about it. They're fully committed to him. The highest paid guaranteed money for an offensive player that doesn't play quarterback in NFL history. Clearly this offense is going to run through Michael Thomas. I'm not too concerned. And I also I do love the consistency. Like Frank

said that he brings on a week to week basis. Now, Tyreek Hill was the name that you brought off in this tier. Um e Y says he has tyreek Hill above all of them. Where do you have tyreek Hill? Frank? So, I have tyreek Hill just between Michael Thomas and Odell Beckham. So that's the start of a of Well, actually, Juju is the start of the of the next tier. I agree with you. I have I have Vante Adams, DeAndre Hopkins, and Julio Jones. Is my top three. That's Tier one.

That's to me, that's like really round one wide receivers. And then tier two is I have Juju, Michael Thomas, Tyreek Hill, and then Odell Beckham. Uh, tyreek Hill. Look, I think there's risk involved with him as well, because I think at any given moment, like something can happen where another piece of evidence comes out, this guy gets suspended or so there's still that in the back of my mind, Like I don't want to just complete Lee, you know, wash him free of like anything that's going

on there. But it's just the upside is immense. I mean, he finishes the wide receiver one overall lest year on a hundred and thirty seven targets. His targets went up by you know, thirty two from eighteen. And the points that he misses out on not having like over a hundred receptions. I mentioned this when we were doing the Chiefs preview. He makes up with rushing yards. I mean people don't really you know, they don't really take that

into account. But if he's behind these guys about like fifteen and twenty receptions, he makes up for it with his you know, a hundred fifty rushing yards every year year that he has because he does get a few of those uh snaps in the backfield. So I like Tyreek Hill. I'm not gonna say that there's no risk involved with drafting him because again, something could pop up, but is upside, it's potentially higher than Michael Thomas. I'm gonna keep hitting on that. I don't I don't think

that's crazy to say. I don't know, I don't I don't disagree necessarily that the upside is potentially greater than Michael Thomas. But on but on a week two week basis, e y, you don't think, I know, you have Tyreek Hill both Michael Thomas on a weeks a week basis? Are you not more comfortable with Thomas and Hill? I mean, and this always goes down to I mean, I mean I feel also I've said this forty times and I'll

probably say it another two thousand times. It just depends on your draft and how you've constructed your team from that point. I mean, like, do you already have another one not wide receiver? Do you have Hopkins? And now in the second round, like, I'm probably not gonna take either of those guys. I'm gonna probably take a running back. So it just depends um on on what you have and what you're looking to do in your draft strategy.

It's the most important part of the draft is have a bit of an idea and uh and but you gotta be totally plapable depending on who gets taken where. Yeah, I look at that consistency and that's why I had Michael Thomas a little bit of above Tyreek Hill. Listen, I I think Tyrie Hill is very, very fun and I think having him paired with Patrick Mahomes obviously it's

like they're gonna put up a ton of points. Well, and again are you pointing to this yesterday with you and Michael Thomas, Right, they had that middle stretch of season where he did nothing, and it's very very concerning. But I think there's a better chance that there's games where Tyreek Hill also does nothing. Because it's Floria pointed out, it's almacamara, it's Michael Thomas. And what about Jared Cook.

I knew was coming. But with Kansas City, like with Damie Williams, with Travis Kelsey, with Sammy Watkins, there's just but he doesn't even need the target share. That's what it comes down to, right. He only had a hundred and thirty seven targets last year and still finished the wide receiver one. That efficiency is not going the Chiefs as a whole. Their offense is not going to be, in my opinion, not nearly as efficient it was it

was last year. Like Patrick Mahomes scored more Fantasy points than any quarterback ever, only LT had more than him, and their offense they were connecting on big plays. They were like twenty second in the league in in y'all targets to running backs, but they had the most efficient pass kitchen running backs and as far back as the stats can track, so like they're they were off the charts efficient that I think we'll take a little hit

Florial quickly. In drafts in the second round. Would you rather draft Tyree Hiller, Travis Kelsey, e Y, Travis else or Tyreek Hill? Jeez? I mean having Kelsey just gives you such an advantage of one position to probably Kelsey. We'll talk more about it on the other side. Do you have to continues after this From the NFL to the NBA. Daily Rodo dot Com is the place to

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Travis Kelsey or Tyreek Hill. And the reason I asked it is because for me, I have Tyree Hill legitimately one spot above Travis Kelsey. E Y, you said Kelsey, Florio, you said Hill, But it seems like you want to change your mind. I go back and forth because at first I was like, no, I never took Travis Kelsey in the second round. And then as they said Kelsey, was like, wait, that's because in all my drafts he's

gone and usually in the first round. Uh. I don't love my team taking a tight end first at all. I I especially, I can't do it. If I took a wide receiver in round one, I would need to have a running back in my first two picks. But if I could get that advantage with Travis Kelsey, I'm I'm gonna be pretty happy about that and probably take that. And then, look, I love the middle round receiver, like the rounds three through like six receivers. I feel like

you can legitimately feel a starting roster with that. So I'm okay taking Kelsey over Hill there alright, for Frankie, what about you, Travis Kelsey or Tyreek Hill? Yeah, I would take Tyreek Hill even if we expect both of these players to regress. Uh. Tyreek Hill outscored Travis Kelsey by forty points last year and half point PPR leagues, And honestly, I just don't know how much better that

Travis Kelsey can possibly get. I think some of that ADP that we see was when we assumed that Tyreek Hill was going to be out me more so I would put Travis Kelsey in the middle of the second round. I have him as my pick eighteen overall here, Greg, But hundred and fifty targets last year for Kelsey, over receptions, yards, ten touchdowns. Honestly, I just don't know how much better he can get. And Tyreek Hill and Patrick Mahomes, it's

his play style just matches up so well with Patrick Mahomes. Greg. I mean, these guys go together like lamb and tuna fish. It's a big dead reference. I thank you. It's like right around night, a good reference to go. One of your buttons is undone too. How about you just I'm button the top on two while you're at it, Greg, Let's see what you're working with underneath there. I'm good. Sure if you want to see the shirtless you watch e Y on Monday nights, which can we lather you

up with baby oil again? I'm good. God, we've done that. We've done that to prove that I that I can. You know, yeah, you could do part of what I don't think you could pick it up, like you know before you go take my shirt off. Yeah, there you go. I can do. Yeah, maybe like what your hair a little bit was that what you do would was that?

I mean, it's definitely the hardest part of what I do. Yeah, I couldn't get more, all right, So that's that he here, I'd say of wide receivers, obviously Travis Kelsey and a tear By himself at tight end. But for me, when you get the player number fourteen in the second round, so the second pick in the in the second round, it's not Joe Mixon. I'm still not at Joe Mixon because I have Todd Gurley ranked ahead of Joe Mixon.

And the reason I do is simply based on upside. Right, if all goes right for both of these players, Joe Mixon is a first round pick, He's a top seven, top six running back. If all goes right, Todd Gurley is the number one overall player in fantasy football. It's a better offensive line, it's a better offense. Both of these guys I believe are risks. Certainly the injury risk comes with Todd Gurley. That doesn't need to be said. But Joe Mixon, as I told you yesterday, Frank, for

whatever reason, I can't get fully on board. There's just something that screams that it's not gonna work out. You know, new co, new scheme. I get the whole thing. I want that upside of Todd Gurley, and I haven't ranked. I had one spot of Joe Mixon. Yeah, so you know, I had Joe Mixon in my first round yesterday at pick eleven, just because my logic is you can grab the running back there and then whatever wide receiver comes back to me, whether it's ju Ju, Michael Tomas, Tyreek

Hill in that second round range, I'm perfectly fine with that. Uh. Look, they're both risky. I get it. The injury risk probably scares me a little bit more. As bad as the Bengals were last year, all the injuries A J. Green, Andy Dalton was injured for part of the year, the offensive line wasn't good last year, Joe Mixon still finished in the top ten running back. He's still finished as RB nine, and I understand Todd Gurley has been the RB one, not a r B one, the RB one

each of the past two seasons. He scored forty total touchdowns over the past two regular seasons. I'm just scared, man, Like you build your foundation of your fantasy teams with with your first and your second round pick. I still have Girle as my my fifteenth ranked player here. I have one spot ahead of Odell Beckham because I think there's some injury concerned with Odell Beckham obviously as well.

Uh So, if if I'm looking at both players there that are risky, I'd rather go with the running back. But admittedly I'm kind of scared. I'll throw it your away now, Mike, because I know you are. You are the Todd Gurley guy. In fact, I think the last time we had you on we were talking about Todd

Gurley as well. Yeah, not much has changed. I wrote this article like a month or two ago, like pass him Todd Gurley if you want to lose it fantasy, and some people didn't read it, and we're like, I'm not gonna take him over David Johnson and Sae Kwon Barkley, and I was like that that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that at where he's going now, you I think to take another running back over him after we get you know, past the James Conners and then Levy on bells of the world, because I have Girly after that, I think you're making a mistake. Like Joe Mixon has missed multiple games each of the last two seasons. Jonah Williams is out for the year. A j Green, he may miss a quarter of the season. Who knows how he'll be when he comes back. Andy Dalton has missed

time the last couple of years. That offensive line isn't as good as the Rams, the offensive play calling isn't as good as the Rams, the quarterback isn't as good as the Rams, the receivers around him aren't as good as the Rams, and most importantly, the offensive scheme is not built like the Rams. Is the Rams going to be a high It could be it cannot tayor it will not be what Sean McVeigh and the Rams have there. And even if Girley, you know, plays of the snaps

like they're saying, that still started workload. Last year there was not many guys playing seventy plus percent of the snaps and I in my article, I wrote it out if he gets seventeen touches per game, even if you lower his efficiency in recent the last two years combined, he's averaged one point one five PPR points per touch. If you lower that all the way down to one and he gets seventeen touches per game, he still would have been the RB eight last year. So the upside.

The downside I think is he if he plays as long as he doesn't miss a lot of time, he's going to be a top ten back. I feel super

confident with that. And the upside is that he's not only the RB one, he's head and shoulders above every other running back, like he is the first player to lead the running back position and points back to back seasons since LT like he he was the I don't understand he finishes the RB three last year, but in terms of points per game that I don't think there was a running back within two of him, So like he was so far ahead of everyone else that I think the ceiling is a lot higher, and unless he

misses a bunch of time, the floor is too. Because let's be honest, if there's any position where you're drafting, and you're accepting that there is an injury risk in any sport, it's running back. These guys missed the most amount of time. Joe Mixon has misstime, Doalvin Cook has miss time in recent years, et cetera. That's why I'm making the case for Todd Gurley, and he would be I don't have to take him in my first round,

but he would be in my first round. Mike, you mentioned all the stuff that Gurley has that Joe Mixon doesn't, and I'm going to mention something that Joe Mixon has that Todd Gurley doesn't, and that is two legs. He's missed multiple times with knee injury in the last two seasons. So is that true? Any misstime in college? And the thing with Todd Gurley that I keep going back to is all the reports were clickbait in my opinion, like there was nothing new. It was never, oh, this has

happened now. It was always Gurley's gonna be limited. They're worried about his knee. They want him to hold up for the playoffs, and I'm fine with him sitting out the preseason. In fact, I'm cool with that he's still gonna be practicing. I just don't want him to use those valuable reps and risk getting injured in the preseason. I'm totally fine with him not playing in those games. I And we've also heard a lot of positive reports. Sean McBey said nothing but positives. Todd Gurley himself has

said positive stuff. M j D has said positive stuff. To be fair, they did say positive stuff. Of course in the playoffs last year and in the Super Bowl last it did, and nobody knew what was going on. Remember I remember this very vividly. We're trying to set DFS lineups, even you know, Fantasy championship lineups. We had no idea great. I mean, it was it was a toss up. We didn't know if it was gonna be Todd Gurley, if it was gonna be C. J. Anderson,

and we just had no idea it was. We all assumed that there was an underlying injury, which I guess we kind of found out, but we knew he was battling this knee thing. I mean, it's got to be pretty significant. I mean the fact that he just didn't play down the stretch, didn't play at times throughout the postseason, like during the Super Bowl when they need him most too, he played, but he almost split snaps evenly with c j Anders So I so definitely and I agree with

obviously with all of that. But is it a significant enough injury and we know it, we've heard chronic arthritis, we've heard all that that like six months later, he's still not is there? So we know there's no surgery. And the thing is, I don't know that anyone knows the answer to that question, Greg, So it's kind of just like, but isn't that risk while let me go to let me bring you in on this, isn't that risk here at the top of the second round or

or toward it well worth taking? I believe. So, I mean I've said this before, is like, if we think that that he's the only guy with arthritis in your in your the only guy with arthritis in his knee in the NFL, you're insane. Is that we're talking about it because he's interesting to talk about it. And my question to you guys, though, are you concerned that he's going to miss games? Because if that's the concern, I have that same concern with Doubt and Cook, I have

that concern with a lot of these running backs. With Damian Williams, another guy I love, I have that concern, like he's never had this workload before. But I don't foresee a situation where Todd Gurley is phased out of this offense or where he's sparingly used all year. And even if let's say he averages like I keep saying the seventeen touches per game, I think he could lead the NFL and touchdowns again on seventeen touches per game.

That's how much he's used in the red zone. And that's how good Sean McVeigh is with the running backs in the red zone. It was it was basically a Girly versus Mixing conversation, because I still have Girly ranked fifteenth overall, So it's not like I'm significantly down on him. But for me, it's just I would take Mixing. Time will tell whether or not you know that is uh

correct or not. It's just my philosophy is, I'm just so scared, like I don't want to take someone that already has an injury concern, like like a legitimate one. Joe Mixing has miss games here there I understand that. I just I worry that it's not just games, Mike. I I I worry about like chunks of time, you know, like a month, didn't didn't mix and have m CEL surgery. Terris m cel last year and came back. He's come back, but he said he's had knee injuries. Now that's three

years in a row. I think, going back to college. So he's not without concern either. A little bit younger youth is on his side, up that much younger. We'll see. I will tell time, we'll tell when do we come back. We need to also talk about the glaring hole in the second round. And his name is Melvin Gordy. What do you do with Melvin Gordon We'll try to answer

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Enjoy the show and face for listening. And in mentioning these running backs, the one name that we continually don't mention is Melvin Gordon of the Chargers, and Frank, you and I have talked a lot about this, but I want to throw it to Florida and Eric because I don't know. It's very sensitive. Frank, Floria, Sorry, I forgot all right, it's been a while. It's been a while. Um, it's gonna be our thing. Whenever we make a reference, we have to say where the references from. It's been

a while, stained big Daddy. So Melvin Gordon holding out of training camp for the Charges, there's no indication he's showed up anytime him soon. We said yesterday, Frank, that is we think it will work. It's alf out, much like the Michael Thomas situation, work itself out. But Mike, Eric, there's been no indication that's Melvin Gordon thing. He's going to work itself out. If you were drafting today, e y,

where would you feel comfortable drafting Melvin Gordon. I've got him outside of the first two rounds, um because of the contract thing. We've said this before in the show. Uh. The Los Angeles Chargers are famous for being cheap the front office. They did it last year. They did it with Ladamian Thomason. They did it with uh Jacksonvi's and Jackson a noo, they're doing it again with him. I mean, the reality is on gonna side, on the side of

the player. Melvin Gordon is uh of an excellent to top five running back in the NFL um and deserves more money than what he's being paid, so he's going to hold out. UM. He secured enough seasons where he can get the free agency, so I think this is real. It's not the same kind of situation as is Zekil Elliott michael I. I struggle with this one a lot,

like currently, and it depends on format and stuff. But he comes in pretty much around like RB eighteen nineteen for me, and that's behind guys like my tier four. He's in my tier four. I'm sorry, he's in my tier five right now, running back with guys like Marlon Mack and Leonard four Nette mark Ingram because I think the top fifteen backs, you know, ending with like Josh Jacobs, Jones and carry on. Johnson Like, I'd rather have those guys over him right now because they're a sure thing.

They're a little bit more they're safer. And but why I keep struggling with this is because I moved Zeke from one in my rankings to four with this holdout potential, and I move with Melvin Gordon from six to like nineteen. It's a huge fall up. But I do think it's different like you I was saying, because I think Zeke

is an elite talent. Uh he also and this is I know there's a whole notion of running backs don't matter, and I think that the narrative is starting to change a little bit this year, and it's something that I personally believe. I don't think rushing mad. If you are a running back who can be a dangerous pass catcher out of the backfield, I think you are uber valuable to your team. Like I think Christian McCaffrey Nolvin Kamara would be super hard to replace. I don't think you

could just get another running back off the street. Whereas for the Russian attempts, I think it's a lot. It's a lot more on the line in the scheme and all that Zeke Elliott is an elite pass catcher, is Melvin Gordon? Is Melvin Gordon an elite rusher has Melvin Gordon ben a benefactor of having this great talent around him and you know, a great quarterback and and all that because before last year his yards per carry we're always very low. Plus the Cowboys backup is like Tony Pollard, right,

who's a pass catching specialist. Alfred Morris. Yeah, yeah, I'm not. I'm not worried about that. Whereas Austin Ekeler is. He's like an analytical darling, like everyone says Austin Ekeler, and it's true, like he stands out in so many of these advanced stats. Plus they really like uh Josh Jackson there. So I have a little bit more concerned with, like e Y does that the cow like the Cowboys I think will pay Zeke. I'm not confident at all that

the will pay Melvin Gordon. And after seeing Levian Bell, I think Levian Bell really did change the NFL and he changed the way running backs think, and I think it's for the better. But for fantasy it makes it a lot frustrating. And for reference, I don't have him inside my top two rounds either. I did a best ball draft earlier today, Greg and he went in the early third round, So just to kind of give people an idea of how far Melvin Gordon is following right now.

So I think that makes sense because the pact that I have Melvin Gordon is and I want to have above the one you were speaking about, Mike, because that gets me into the Nick Chubb, Damie Williams Doalvin Cook conversation, and I have him in this mix. Maybe I'm being silly and we're gonna cost myself and maybe ultimately when I do draft, I'll drop him down. But Melvin Gordon is in this next year for me with Nick Chubb, with um, Damie Williams, with Domin Cook, Eric with Thurst.

To you because you said Nick Chubb is in your first round measons, he's above all of these guys. How come, Um, I just believe in this offense. I believe Baker is going to be better. The addition of Odell com a top three, top five wide receiver in the league, the Jokus in the offense for another year, Callaway's in the offense for another year. Uh, Look, they're they're not going to be able to have guys down low in the box to defend this guy. He's a freak athlete. He

can do everything. I was high on him last year and had him everywhere and ended up paying off in the long run, and I'm high on him now. I like Nick Chubb a lot greg The only hesitance that I have for him is a lot of us playing a half point or full point PPR least. I don't know how many catches he's going to pass. And it's not one of those situations where I don't think that he can be a pass catcher like a Jordan Howard. I think it's more like a Leonard four net situation.

We said this about four net and then it turned out, oh wait, he can catch the ball. He's he's They're just not always used in that capacity. So I think that Nick Chubb can catch the ball, but I don't know that they're going to need him to. They have Jervis Landry, who can catch a lot of passes in the slot close to the line of scrimmage. Same thing could be said for David and Joku. And obviously now Odell Beckham is going to be there and he's the

target monster. So and they have and they have Duke Johnson, who was one of the best pass catching running backs in the league. So for me, the only downside to Nick Chubb is the fact that I don't really think he's going to catch a lot of passes. But he can be a and I you know, I'll give you a visual for a second. He could beat Derrick Henry on steroids, which I can't really imagine Derrick Henry being bigger than he is from a fantasy perspective. He's going

to rush for a lot of yards. He's going to score a lot of touchdowns for the reasons that e Y mentioned. He's in a really, really good offense. But I just worry that the receiving upside is capped here. Greg, Yeah, so I agree. So for me, Nick Chubb is not even the next running back on my list here. I agree with you. By the way, it's for me Dalvin Cook. I have Dalvin Cook next. I think you've talked a lot, Frank about Kevin Stefanski wanted to run the football on

this offense being based around the run. I believe Dalvin Cook should be the next running back off the board in the second round. And I actually think you can make the case that Nick Chubb is not even next after that because I think Damian Williams and Florida. You were the guy who was on Damian Williams last year. You picked him up like hey, I got a great keeper,

and I'm like, you're an idiot. They're gonna replace him, and they have it every time they have tried to um give credit to Damian Williams and talk of Damian Williams they have and I know he's bad like a Hampshire right now in training camp it should be okay, But Damian Williams love seems real. So I have it Dalvin Cook, Damian Williams and then Nick Chubb to me,

in like standard, I have Chubb ahead of Williams. But in PPR, yeah, I to me, I do have a little bit of concern about I mean, it's a rightful so concerned in the passing and that you guys have. I still think though that we do see Duke Johnson traded. The reports have been if they can get a fourth round pick for him, they will and no team has been willing to give that up yet. But we're gonna

see injuries in training camp. We're gonna see teams like potentially like the Bucks, who I'm hoping that is the one who trades for a Duke Johnson but we could see him moved, Gregy, I know why you're excited and uh. I also think though, because Freddy galviss Homeward uh and is not Zack Gallant was traded. Oh whoa, No, it's not. I thought it was because Zack Wheeler was traded to as shows that just happened too that yet, But on the Nick Chubb thing, real quick, you guys didn't even

mention my biggest concern. Kareem Hunt returns in week ten, and I think Kareem Hunt is the biggest waste of fantasy pick right now. But I think when Kareem Hunt does return, he will eat into Nick Chubb's work because I think this is a team with playoff aspirations. If I can be as bold as to say maybe even deep playoff aspirations. I think they're gonna want Nick Chubb healthy and it's gonna become a two headed monster once cream Hunt does come back. Where is that Wheeler thing?

I think Andy Mortineo traded tweeted it out. All right, well, our two of this show is going to be completely been at it. A ton of baseball trades going on and I'm sure y was to strangle all of us right now. Never mind it was Arrio Cohen, the Fantasy Baseball writer quoted someone and I saw it real quick as I was talking about Chubb. I don't I don't know if it's accurate, though, Are you kidding me? M yeah, I have it. I have a Dalvin Cook, Nick Chubb,

and then me and Williams. I still like Damian Williams a lot, but I mean there is risk that he's been a journeyman in the NFL so far and he hasn't ever really handled a full workload. We saw last year. Nick Chubb did handle a full workload over the final ten games of the season, or so did it from Week fifteen throughout the playoffs like it was like a five game stretch. It was. But if you look at that he had of the snaps, and I believe he

was averaging over eighteen touches per game. That's something that only a handful of running backs could say they did last year. Uh. And my thing is not this is what I keep saying, Like I have a video on it on fan tracks YouTube page. You can go out and check it out. I think you're making a mistake. If you value or look at what Damian Williams has done the last five, four or five years, however long he's been in the NFL, he you are not buying

Damian Williams the player. I don't think. I look at it as you are buying the lead running back on an Andy re led team that also happens to be the best offense in football and and also the best offense for a has catching running back to playing. Like I said, Chiefs running backs last year average nine point five receiving yards per target. No other team was over eight point three since two thousands, So that shows you how efficient. That is why because they have a bunch

of burners in in Hill, in Watkins and Kelsey. Now they have hard men. They have all these guys who can play downfield that the defense has to sell out to try and stop the deep ball. And if Damian Williams can catch and lower his head and run in open space, I think he's gonna pick yards up in chunks,

and the teams like that. It's it's why Todd Gurley last year saw the fewest eight men in the box because teams like this, with these dynamic offense that spread the ball so much, teams have to worry about the passing offense, and teams are not going to game plan to stop Damian Williams. They're gonna game plan to stop Kelsey and Hill and Mahomes and his passing attack. That is why I'm so high on Mahomes. On Damian Williams

has nothing to do with Damian Williams himself. I would love if it was Carlos Hide, if it was Williams, whoever was the lead back for the Chiefs, I would be saying, I want this guy in my fantasy team. And I agree with that. It's kind of we're in a weird spot when we're trying to like nit pick these players because we're basically just splitting hairs, trying to figure out, oh, well, why do I like this running

back over this running back. So that's the only reason why I was mentioning, you know, these things the downsides for Damian Williams. I still really like him, and Michael was right, you know, over that five game stretch last year, he was basically used, maybe not as a complete workhorse, but he was used a lot in the Chief's offense and to be the number one running back and Andy Reid offense on the best offense in football. I mean,

that is a desirable position to be in. I have Nick Chubb one spot higher than Damian Williams just because he did it for a little bit longer last year. He did it for double the time. He did it for ten games rather than five games. And we saw

Nick Chubb's upside last year. And for all the reasons that you just mentioned, you like Damian Williams, the Cleveland Browns with Odell Beckham now on the field, and the fact that defenses have to factor, you know, worry about him, and they have to worry about in Joku and worry about land jury over the middle, worry about Callaway taking the top off the defense. There's gonna be so much room to run for Nick Chubb and he's just gonna finish off a lot of these drives scoring touchdowns. We

saw it last year. Like Freddy Kitchens, once he came in, it was no nonsense. He was like, all right, Nick Chubb is the starting running back. That's it. And for me, I think that he is still going to score a lot of touchdowns and run for a lot of yards. But ultimately, if you play in PPR. I could see why you can make the argument for a Damian Williams over Nick Chubb, just because I don't know that Chubb is going to let's say, like his upside might be

capped at like forty five recessions, maybe fifty. I saw I think I think it was Scott Barrett or maybe Scott Barrett quote tweeted it. But there was a big argument on Fantasy football Twitter the other day about like rushing attempts compared to receiving attempts, and I think it's like triple the value of running back receives in Fantasy points style on a target compared to a rushing attempt.

That's why in standard I'm going Chubb, but in anywhere with a PPR, I have Damien Williams, like a spot high. I can't argue it. I can't argue it. I think it makes sense. I agree with you. That's how I reveal.

So you have Williams, all right, so e y, e y, and myself we're on the side of Chubb versus Nick Damian Williams and you guys are you guys have anythings from week ten on with Kareem Hunt in the picture, Because I think touches for the playoffs, Like, I think they want to keep Chubb fresh, And I don't think anybody knows though I don't think honestly, I don't think anybody knows how Like it's in the back of your mind for sure, Like you don't have that lingering in

the back of your mind when it comes to the Chiefs for the second half of the season. But and they obviously signed him for a reason. You mentioned this, Greg like even though knowing pr hit Like, yeah, I mean, that's a pretty big deal. They clearly are going to get him involved. Nobody knows how much it's gonna be. It could be five to seven touches, it could be eight to ten touches. It could be more than that.

Nobody knows. But if Nick Chubb is crushing it in this offense, I don't think that he just sees this significant downtick and touches. There's two or three more players left in the second round. Three questions, three minutes, our one Now from the NFL to the NBA. Daily Rohodo dot Com is the place to win millions in daily fantasy and you can get the best DFS NFL coverage all season long. For a price of one, or dominate the entire Daily Fantasy Sports round with the Elite package

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is who? Who? Who? Are we? Is this after like at the Tyreek Hill, Odell Becka, Michael Thomas and Jujia Uh Antonio brownad of Mike Evans. I had Mike Evans higher for a while, but yeah, I think Antonio Brown is still gonna see like a hundred and sixty targets, and I I think the ball is gonna be spread a little bit more. But I had them back to back, and to be honest, I keep going back and forth and flip flopping them. Why your next wide receiver off the board is go ahead and make fun of me

about a MARII Cooper. Oh my god, he's just not gonna to the ball enough. It'll throw enough. If Zeke sits out, they will. I still don't think they will. I mean, it could be one of those situations where you know, although they don't throw the ball a lot, he just gets so much of the targets share, much like Michael Thomas in the Saints. Like that could that's the path to Amari Cooper being great, So I could see it. I don't think it's all that crazy e Y For me, it's Mike Evans. For me, it's Mike

Evans as well. In fact, the rest of my second round is full of wide receivers. I haven't Mike Evans. Then I have Antonio Brown do you agree? Yes? And then I go to end the second round it's twenty three and twenty four, I go t Y Hilton and Keenan Allen in that order. This pomp from Frank, how do you end the round of Floria? How do you end to Greggy t Y and then Keenan Allen. Uh? Yeah, I'm cool with that. I like those guys. I like

Keenan Allen a little bit more. In PPR like t Y Hilton a little bit more in half or standard. But yeah, if where is are we talking? Like? So the running backs all gone? It's after chubbing donmand Cook, right, Yeah, I'm cool with those receivers. It would be like the next running backs up would be Carrie on Johnson, Aaron Jones, that whole unless you like one of those players more. I saw Leonard Fournette go I pick fifteen today in a draft, and I almost through my phone out the

window because that's just crazy. Who do you have? Ending the round? Eric? Round three? Round two? Oh geez um, it's a round uh Michael Thomas crazy? She shows you how ablody ranking everybody's rankings are differ. You know. Michael Thomas ends my first round, he ends e y second round. Speaking of ending, that's the end of our one the Fantasy Hour here on the BFFs Florida. A great time

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