Bad TV programming, AP in DC, and early round wide receivers...

Fantasy best Friends Forever m Do to two Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do do dinit do Yeah. This is the Fantasy best Friends Forever here on the Fantasy Sports where a network alongside for Reggie Stample, I am Greg Sauceman. What's going on? How much? Greggy? How are you doing? All is well? All is well? Tuesday? You enjoyed the Colts and the Ravens last night? I didn't watch any of it. Did you enjoy Monday Night? Raw? Uh? Not really? No? Um, you have to point in your

life where you enjoy anything. Give you honest with you. I watched a lot of programming last night, none of which I liked. Like I watched Judy had on Bachelor in Paradise that wasn't very enjoyable. Yeah, that was pretty terrible. Do you do the whole fantasy bachelor thing or no? Have you ever done it? I haven't. I should I think maybe next year? Surprising you don't agree? Agree now, especially now that I live with Judy. I do you think I would do it? Um? So? No, didn't do that?

So then I started. I watched last week's better Call Saul because I was not the date. So I watched the last week's disagreeable Bona not excellent. It's actually you caught up? Oh I didn't get caught up. I didn't watch last nights. I watched last week. I don't worry. Thank you. Kind of boring. I need to figure out where I am in that show right now, because honestly, I don't remember. I feel like I think I watched the first two seasons. What are we up to now?

Like I think it's good? This is season four? I think live on TV right now? Right now? Did they put season three on Netflix yet? I don't know a good question, like that's what I haven't watched yet. I just watched it when it goes on Netflix. But I think, but what did you think of last week's episode? Did you find it boring as well? Um? Bits and pieces of it are boring, but really better call Saul is just a more boring kind of Duller show than Breaking Bad.

That's probably the issue I think you have is that if you're like me, I absolutely adore Breaking Bad because it was always just we're ordering loss for lunch. Yeah, exactly, seriously though we are. Do you want it? Yes? All right, so we'll have two people. All right, we'll talk about that off the air. Um if if it's open now, I don't know, um, but that's one thing, right. So then I fell asleep through with some pieces and again

it was a long day. We worked very hard yesterday Frankie and I, UM, and you know, I was in and out and then I was like, alright, perfect, don't with that, and now I'll start raw and fest forward through a lots like this is boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, And then Judy's done with bast in Paradise. Like ten o'clock, I was like, hey, we gotta watch last week's Sharp or last night Sunday Night's Sharp Objects because we're watching that,

you know what, boring, boring? One more episode after of that. So we finished that. It's now eleven seventeen. I have like the last forty minutes of Raw, which takes me about five minutes to watch. Um, so I did that. I hated it. It's now eleven five and the night time to go to bed, and that was my night. Greg Man, Dude, no pleasing this guy? Did you want? Did you watch Danna Broka? There's no, there's no pleasing you would if you watch it wouldn't be please light there.

I was actually watching the Ravings and Colts. Yeah, I forgot that. He was just which boring? How is Jason? How is Jason wentten? He it's going to be a learning process. He's not terrible. Roma He's not terrible. He's not Tony Romo yet. He can probably get there. But he hasn't been terrible to start. I think he's had a good start. I think he's going to continue to get better as a season goes on. Luger McFarland is killing it. He's been great the sidelines and the thinking.

That's really better than Tony Saragosa because Goose was terrible. No, oh yeah, then he's definitely. I don't I don't really remember now Boogers killing it. What's unique about it is that he can really chime into the booth whenever he wants from the sideline right of course. Thing he started it, it was just that's like unique to me. They didn't do that before on Monday Night Football. It would always just be Grouden and Tarko and then Sean McDonough um.

But yeah, this is like, this is newer to me. So they had Saragosa doing it, but Saragosa was like terrible and they didn't provide any interesting analysis of any sort. Boogers. Well yeah, okay, cool, I buy it. That's what I'm w That's what I was most excited about. I wish I remember it is on I would I would have checked it out. Um. So you know, last night's game, what's what's the doubt anything interesting? Alex Collins didn't play at all? Did you Flac of Blood Joe Flac who

did play? Um, which I found very interesting and even today, like I'm you know me, I'm rapidly searching Twitter about Alex Collins because this is my guy. Like I'm all in on Alix Collins, Like I'm telling people to take him in the third round of draft. There's three scenarios that are possible right now with Alex Collins. Either he is so firmly interested as their starter that they just didn't feel the need to play him at all in

this game. B it was some kind of disciplinary action for something he did or see he's dealing with some kind of injury that no one knows about, and that's why he didn't play. Has he been practicing. I haven't seen anything about an injury or any disciplinary actions, so she's probably reacting. Probably probably just sad. Like you know, there's no reason to everyone's talking of connaddiction because he ran well last night, six for thirty two yards. He

also had three receptions for twenty four yards. But before to be fair, Buck Allen looked okay in his limited action to could just be the Cold's defense. Absolutely terrible, but it was nice to see Kenneth Dixon do his thing after all the injuries that he's battled. Um, assuming that this isn't disciplinary or injury related, I think Alex Collins is firmly entrenched as their starter. If you want

to handcuff one guy. If anything were to happen to Alex Collins, I think it would just be Kenneth Dixon on early downs, right, And I've said this, and I think it would be fuck Alan in the passing game. How many times did you go onto Twitter today and rode in Alex Collins. I did it at least three times on the bus today. Maybe I was. I'm kind of nervous about this, but I haven't been able to find anything. So I think it's a good thing. I think I think it's a good sign. On the other side,

Andrew Luck did not look good. Grady, Yeah, that's what I was reading about. He wouldn't like it. Looks very rusty, and I look, I think we should expect that him, you know, not playing at all last season, hasn't played a game since, um it was a January one, twenties six, twenty seventy, certainly I guess when seventeen, but yeah, January one. That was the last game he played January one. He's sixteen whatever, it's been a long time. It's been a long time. But he looks very rusty. Had a really,

really bad interception in the red zone yesterday. So I think I'm going to lower him in my rankings. I just don't know how far to lower him. What he could get off to a slow start. He's rusty. Of course he's gonna a slow start into the regular season affect your fantasy team. So that being said, you gotta you gotta rank him accordingly. But I don't think like this isn't do anyone really think Andrew loves is just gonna walk back onto the field and be like the

Andrew Luck. No, but you want to start to see encouraging signs. I feel like we haven't seen anything in the preseason yet that looks really great at him at in the past of twenty plus yards on the field yet, So that's very interesting to me. Like the fact that he played one series last week. Okay, cool, I don't care. But at half last yesterday, so he played in the second quarter yesterday. Fine, you think he's bearings, took a sack. That was good to me. They're not attempting to pass

over twenty yards. What scares me that he's afraid to unleash the ball like in a controlled setting in practice. Fine, he knows he's not gonna get hit, he'd launch it here. It's a little bit different and and that's kind of scary. Yeah, which is why I'm thinking I've moved him behind Deshaun Watson. Now, and you know, I'm not really a Watson guy, but by all accounts, he looks healthy. He had a fine second preseason game. He threw a touchdown to Bruce Ellington.

So I've moved uh Andrew Luck behind him, and I'm kind of wrestling with the thought of whether i should move him behind Kirk Cousins Andrew Brees. I'm gonna let this play out again this week. See what happens in the third preseason game. As far as the Colts rushing attack, nobody really looked great here. And then he behinds Funneble the opening kickoffs. Four fumbles through two games. Jordan Wilkins fumbled on the goal line. That was terrible, and christ

and Michael started. So life is good. There you go, And we still don't know what the deal is with Marlon mack as he's battling in dree The one good thing about Jordan Wilkins is that they trusted him enough to give him a goal line carry. But it just sucks that he fumbled it, which they did recover for a touchdown. But that's not what you want to see. He's in a soft fumble. What is it a soft fumble.

What does that mean? Like soft? Pumbe was like a guy just wouldn't like takes his hand, just like patch the ball. No, So he was being like gang tackled by three dudes and you're trying to fight through contacted out. That's okay, doesn't bother man. He was like, you're just fighting for extra yards and they just they were just three eyes ripping in. Yeah, okay with that, Okay with that.

Speaking of running backs at the goal line, I do think before we get into the wide receivers and we'll go all wide receivers, heavy, all heavy, all the way through. Adrian Peterson size of the Redskins. Yesterday, Jamal Charles was in for a tryout Orleans dark One wasn't for a tryout. Surprised dark One I didn't get an opportunity instead of goos to ap ap quite obviously a bigger name at this point than game. Played well and limited action for

the Cardinals until he wore down. Obviously was nothing with the Saints. I have to imagine they're signing a p they're going to give him the opportunity to succeed here. Frank, Yeah, that's what you would imagine, right, like, why would they sign Adrian Peterson. You know, if they really liked Rob Kelly and they liked their early down running back situation, they wouldn't have went out and signed Adrian Peterson. In my opinion, Rob Kelly didn't look terrible in his game

against the Jets in the second preseason game. I think he's looking more like a fit Rob Kelly rather than a fat Rob Kelly. But I guess the Washington football team did not feel the same, so they went out and signed Adrian Peterson. And I mentioned this to you downstairs, Greg Is, I don't think you go out and sign this guy unless you're gonna play him. At his age, there's no reason to just bring him into what be

a goal line back. And I think he has enough money that he doesn't sign if he's not getting the workload I would think. So I moved him up to

running back forty five in my standard rankings. That's a whole the whole slew of like that tears like handcuff running back like Latavious Murray, pass catching running backs in the standard, which is like you don't really love pass catching running backs and standard, So I moved them up there just because I think he'll be like a running back four running back five that is going to be touchdown dependent. Maybe he gets like ten to twelve touches

a week. I don't feel great about him by any means, but I just feel like we should have mentioned him because he signed and he probably will have some value, albeit not that much. Yeah, I think Adrian Peter. Would you rather have Adrian Peterson than any other running back in Washington outside Christ Thompson? Yes, okay, I'd rather own him than Rob Kelly. Would you drop Rob Kelly for AP? I guess the answer is yes. He just said that. Yeah.

And in leagues where I've already drafted the Scott fishball, I have Darius Guys. I've already put in a claim to pick up Adrian Peterson. We had our first waiver run in my auction yesterday. I was fast. I don't wait around. I mean, normally the draft happens. You wait until like maybe the preseason ends and any start waivers. Great now waivers ran. Now it's first come, first server alive. How many people are going to blow their fab before

the season. You can start so far, so far. Your buddy Max, who doesn't believe in fab but he just like whatever, it's stupid he has spent I think no, he spent seven on Taiwan Taylor bad Bye, and I guess he he also picked up something else. I thought, Max, what does it mean to not believe in FAB or not care about it? Yeah, he spent thirteen dollars. He spent seven on Taylor and six dollars in Courtland Sutton. What does that mean though? What does that mean to

not care about fab? Like he doesn't care if he doesn't have any fab by like week four? Probably not a good strategy. The strategy believes it's okay. He don't like your hair. Tried to do it a little bit better, specifically for Max. It was good yesterday for our shows. I thought, I appreciate that, Greig. I'm gonna and for those wondering about me, I'll get a hair cut at some point, I promise. I really do think that you should start to do more of like a fox hawk

to like remember Nono Dafino. But eight four four eight four three six eight seven nine look at a goose in Cali. What's going on? Goose? Hello? What's up? Man? Hey? I're going um so? I had two questions, but I get to the second on if they have time. UM, the Minnesota offensive line and Dallas offensive line. I know there UM going through some injuries. I was wondering if you guys had any information about that. Yeah. Yeah, Minnesota has been decimated. Dallas has been decimated UM as well,

and their first round center looks look terrible. It looks like Zach Martin is gonna be back. Oh, Carolina also decimated. Are At Khalil now getting checked out for the Panthers. While McCaffrey has killed it in the preseason. You have to imagine, you know, him, with his slider frame running behind that offensive line, it might actually affect him. So the obvious questions, has this affec Christi, McCaffrey, Ezekiel Elliott, Dalvin Cook and their draft stock if it does at all,

I haven't changed anything accordingly. I mean, I think it is something worth monitoring, and we appreciate the call. I think it's something that we, you know, we should bring up. Absolutely. But again, I'll always go back to the stat that I mentioned when we started talking about running backs last year, six of the twelve um RB ones average four point zero yards per carry or less. The reason why they

were rb Ones is because of volume. So again you know, volume trump's efficiency when it comes to workhorse running backs. And that's what I do believe Ezekiel Elliott and Dalvin Cook to be uh much more faith in Ezekiel Elliott. Obviously, you know he could touch the ball four hundred times this year, even if he averages in the low four yards per carry um, just based on how many times he's going to touch the ball, I think he's easily a top five running back this year. And then Dalvin Cook.

You know we mentioned the offensive line last week, even you know, before these injuries, is that it really doesn't look like a great offensive line coming in now year. But I do think just based on the volume I mentioned last year that they had even after the Dalvin Cook injury, I believe it was what like it was over thirty touches per game for both Latavius Murray and Jerk mckinnons. So I still think Dalvin Cook is going

to be in that No. Sixteen team may be close to twenty touches per game range, while with Tevis Murray gets his eight to ten, and I think that's perfectly fine for Dalvin Cook where he's being drafted at the you know, the one to turn at the end of the first round, four three, six at seven nine. Let's hit up Dylan in North Carolina. What's going on? Dylan? Hey guys, just have a quick question for you guys. Well, I don't know if it's gonna be quick, but um,

if I can go over my roster right quick. UM. I just had a draft this past weekend. I have Stafford Barkley, c mc allen Robinson, Marvin Jones Jr. Jared Cook, Alex Collins. UM in my bench. I have Ingram Bris, Shot Penny Calvin, Benjamin Probably Anderson, Cameron Meredith, and Marcus Mariotta. Um, this is a twelve team half point ppr UM. I had a trade offer. UM, I was the last person to pick a tight end with Jared Cook. Not too

happy with that. UM, so I would be sending away Christian McCaffrey, Meredith and Jared Cook for Roy Spreeman, Kyle Rudolph and Josh Gordon. I just wanted y'all's opinion on that, Thank you. What do you think it was? It was CMC, Jared Cook and who was the other player you were going up? Can Meredith and who do you get in return Roy Spreeman, Kyle Rudolph and Josh Gordon. M My

initial answer was to take this deal. It's tough to give up CMC based on what he's done in the preseason, especially if you believe he's going to be that workhorse running back that North Turner usually employs in his offenses. But I think to get Kyle Rudolph, who is a bona fide top eight tight end, maybe has upside to be even better. Josh Gordon, I think he's gonna be much better than Can Meredith this year. It's risky, but you get that solid RB two and return in Roy

s Freeman. I'm taking this trade. I'm doing it. Gregor, Yeah, I'm doing it too. I think you have major upgrades at the tight end position. I think you needed a wide receiver with high upside. You get that in Josh Gordon and Roy Streeman, who knows what he can be. SE's a lot to give up. That's the main piece we're giving up here. I think you have to do it all right. When we come back your first and second round wide receivers, what's our order? Where are our rankings?

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were both healthy together. That's shorty finished as wide receiver one and wide receiver three overall, respectively. Is Davanta Adams underrated as wide receivers seven off the board right now? And I think it's a great question, just crazy. It's crazy to say because he's going in the second round, but based on where the top target finishes with Aaron Rodgers, there's a chance that Davante Adams could be a top five wide receiver, maybe even better than that. There's definitely

a chance. And as I look at my eighteen wide receiver rankings, I haven't ranked seventh rank wide receiver. That's exactly where he's being drafted off the board. Break there you go, man, DeVante Adams, alright, number one. I don't there's not we talked before and we've broken into like twos or whatnot um with the running backs Girly and Bell and then is he David Johnson. I don't think you could necessarily do that with the wide receivers because

Antonio Brown's one. That's it. There's Antonio Brown, there's everybody else. I have, I have like a top four tier. But honestly, if you wanted to make Antonio Brown his own tier. I have no problem with it Brown. Still, I believe it has that injured calf, but I think he returned to practice on Sunday. Fantastic. There you go, so I don't worry about that anymore. In terms of points per game,

he's finished. These are his past five year finishes and points per game and half PPR wide receiver one one, one, two seven. That's his last five years. During that span five stret years of a hundred plus receptions each year is average season. A hundred and sixteen receptions on a hundred and seventy one targets, fifteen seventy yards end point four touchdowns per year over the last five years. That's

is average season. He's pretty good, pretty good day. So after that, I feel like I know where he's going. Doesn't seem like this, but at least when we have talked Frank, it seems like people are not forgetting about DeAndre Hopkins, but I think forgetting just how stupidly good he is. We have talked quite a bit about it's crazy Antonio Brown younger than me about the life. Um, well, Greg, you're like fifty. All the wide receivers are younger than you,

even Lyon Fitzgerald. It's true, but that's not true. It's actually you're just like, yeah, I'm buying it. At this point, we've talked a lot about Julio Jones when we mentioned Odell Becka when it comes to his contract and whatnot. But I feel like people are kind of glossing over DeAndre Hopkins, like Hopkins is still a number two wide receiver off the board, but there it's was this like

assumed thing. I want to make people realize why, because DeAndre Hopkins is stupid good and he's never had a quarterback and when he did for like that breet moment last year with Deshaun Watson, it was sickly amazing. Shaun Watson's back healthy. DeAndre Hopkins is back healthy. He is a freak of nature and also younger than me. DeAndre Hopkins clearly for you the number two waters he wroth aboard he is clearly and I know some people are gonna lean towards Odell Beckham, but it's obvious that it

was just brock Osweiler that crust DeAndre hopkins value. Last year he played I think it was five six games with Deshaun Watson, even in the games without Deshaun Watson, even with Tom Savage. The guy was worlds better than he was two years ago when he finished as the wide receiver thirty eight in points per game. In the past the two years that he's had at least a hundred and seventy four targets. Again, this guy, he's a volume play, but I think he's gonna have that volume

once again this year. Greg He's been wide receiver two in points per game, last year, wide receiver five in points per game. In his average season in the two years, over seventy targets, one three receptions, fourteen forty nine yards, twelve touchdowns. So you know, you might actually say that he is a lot to score more touchdowns than Antonio Brown, But the safety of the floor and the reception and

yard pace I think favors all Antonio Brown. But I wouldn't be surprised if DeAndre Hopkins once again scores more touchdowns than Antonio Brown. Last year, twenty four end zone targets was third among wide receiver. And again, he's incredibly durable. He's only missed one game in his entire career. For all those reasons, I think it makes sense for him to be that wide receiver. To given, Odell Beckham has kind of not been all that durable. There's a lot

of problems with the other guys. Odell Beckham, Julio Jones typically your three four. Julio Jones struggled in the red zone last year, struggled specifically in the end zone. Odell Beckham coming back from the injuries healthy now um, but he had the injury issue. DeAndre Hopkins doesn't struggle in the red zone, doesn't have the injury issue, and again a freak. And he's still very young too. I don't know that people realize how young DeAndre Hopkins really is.

For you, Is DeAndre Hopkins another one of these clumps and guys. Is DeAndre Hopkins closer to Antonio Brown for you or closer to Odell Beckham to you? He is closer? I think so too. I think so too. That's why if it is the number one receiver last year and he's he's that good, and I hope I want people to remember that. Like I was looking at my draft board and as people now, I have eleven in my home league draft and we have seven this weekend. Oh just graz' um. So we have we have eleventh pick.

I've eleven picked in my draft a couple of weeks. And I had said previously, listen, if I had the choose between DeAndre Hopkins and O'Dell like Giants, Fani me is gonna go Odell. But maybe because I have that one share now, or I have two shares because um yea, I have two shares now, Odell, I think yeah, because I have the fish bowl. Um I've kind of got that fixed. And now it's like, the more I've looked into it and the more I've researched, my heart is

not going to take over there. And DeAndre Hopkins is the play and DeAndre Hopkins is awesome, and the fact that he went for less money in my auction on Sunday, it's very cool for the person that got Todre Hopkins. Yeah, I think you know, one of the questions you first asked when you brought up DeAndre Hopkins is he being

overlooked a little bit? And I think you know, you see him fall a little bit in the first round because more and more people like that combination of getting the workhorse running back that you could get in the first round and impairing that with an elite wide receiver, one of these guys that we're gonna talk about going in the second round of drafts, like Michael Thomas, Keenan Allen,

DeVante Adams. They just like that combination more so than taking a DeAndre Hopkins in the first and then whatever running back you get in the second, whether it's McCaffrey, Devanta Uh, Devantay Freeman, Jordan Howard. So they like that combination more. And honestly, I can't really argue it. But if you wanted to just take best player available, you could start DeAndre Hopkins in another wide receiver, but then you really have to piece together you're running backs later

on in the draft hundred percent. And and we had I have said that watching the running backs fly off the auction and fly off our NONPVR draft a couple of weeks ago. Um, we saw florio did right. It's twelve. He ended up with Hopkins and Beam. Yeah, and at that point he had to he said, screw it, I have to take this opportunity. I have to take the best players available and I'll figure out the running backs. I actually thought Florida did a nice job overall figuring

out those running backs. So Uh, that's a lesson that you could learn. We keep measuring Odell Beckham Jr. He is my third ranked wide receiver. UM. I want people to remember when he's on the field just how awesome he is. Uh. Last year, of course an anomaly. He was hurting training camp in a preseason game, doesn't play the first couple of weeks, comes back, never truly healthy, gets hurt two weeks after that. It was a weird season for Odell last year. UM, And I don't think

we could. I think we could take it for a grain of salt. Basically. Yeah. I mentioned there are some durability concerns with Odell Beckham coming off the injury, but in terms of per game production, he has never finished lower than wide receiver five in terms of points per game. UM. Back in he was wide receiver one in points per game, then wide receiver three, wide receiver five. Last year he

was wide receiver three in points per game. Again, that was only in four games, but during that four game stretch the average over ten targets per game. He's an absolute target monster. Four hundred nine targets in forty seven career games. That's ten point six targets per game. So you know absolutely on the volume will be there. I'm not worried about se Kwon Barkley coming in as long as he's healthy. He is unquestionably the team's top target

last year. In the four games that he played, came back against Detroit on Monday Night football, clearly was not fully healthy, only at four for thirty six. More of a decoy in that game. Uh. Six days later, um against the Philadelphia Eagles nine for seventy nine and two will take that. A week later against Tampa Bay seven for ninety and then a week later against the Chargers, a game that he got hurt in five for ninety seven and a touchdown. That was the Beckham that you expect.

Odell Beckham Jr. Clearly to me the number three overall wide receiver on my board eight four four, four three seven nine. Before we gets number four, Let's go to Shawn in New York. What's up, Sean? What's up with guys? Uh? I just want to ask a couple of questions kind of similar. Um, so I got the number two pick in my draft. Um, should I go with Gurley or Zeke? You should go with ug Gurley? That's uh, you know, that's we both project Girle and Bell one and two.

What if Bell has gone one, you go with Girly. If Curly is gone one, you go Bell. And that's it. Yeah, I'm I'm an agree instant, all right. And now my other PPO league, Um, would you go with David Johnson or Bell? And I know that you just said that you have the long time in the year that he did played yet more receiving yards and similar rushing yards, asked Bell. Plus they don't have a lot of targets with that Cardinals all tense, you should go with Levian Bell.

Levian Bell is my number one ranked running back in PPR. He's ahead of Todd Gurley. He's pretty much a lock for seventy plus receptions and even the fact that he will not be back to the Seals after this season, they have absolutely no incentive to not give him four hundred touches this year. So I think that's a lock um based on that volume. I think the touchdowns come up a little bit this year as well. Don't think about it too much. It's it's Levian Bell in PPR.

And then take Todd Gurley over zeke Um. In that league where you have the number two pick all right, at number of the number four wide receiver here, Frankie Snanville, I have it as Julio Jones, he's number four. I think there's a clear top four Julios in it. I said I wouldn't do this again. And the more you look into it, and the more you look at the game logging, more more you look at every wide receiver, Julio was better than all of them pretty much last year.

You hope the redsidence targets go up. You hope the red dozen touches go up. You hope the red zone touchdowns go up. Julio Jones for me, including number four. Yeah, there's positive touchdown regression coming here. Four straight seasons of fourteen hundred plus receiving yards, and I'm not he doesn't even have to get to double digit touchdowns. If he were able to do that, he probably as the wide receiver one overall this year. But he doesn't even have to.

If he just gives you six seven touchdowns, he's going to be firmly entrenched. As you know, a top five, maybe top three wide receiver last year, but he only had three top chowns and he still finished as the wide receiver eight in points per game UM one season ago. So you know, nineteen red zone targets. Last year, they said they were going to get him more involved in that part of the field. They absolutely did. He had more targets. He had just five receptions, though, so I

think he needs to be UM a little bit more consistent. Uh. They have to get him better looks inside the red zone. Only five catches and nineteen targets is a twenty six point three percent catch rate. He's gonna be better than that. Fifteen end zone targets, just one touchdown inside the red zone. So I just think UM, based on those red zone targets, the end zone targets, the touchdowns absolutely are going to

come up. I think the addition of Calvin Ridley being there as another wrinkle to this offense where Ridley probably takes away more targets from like Mohammed Sanou and Austin Hooper. I think, UM, Julio Jones still gets his, but I think the fact that Calvin Ridley is there and defenses just have to pay a little bit more attention to him ultimately helps. Julio Jones is here. Great. Calvin Ridley

one of these guys. I thinks doing undervalue, which I talked to him racial Berlin about Calvin Ridley and we had a question about it. I think he's been undervalue, like like, this is the guy that I I think that at least, like I want to think they signed that they drafted it early in the first round because they he's extremely talented. And people are talking about Michael Gallup and there, and they're talking about h. D J. Moore. I think more people need to talk about Calvin Ridley.

I think where he's going in drafts is adequate. I think it makes sense right now. I think he's more of a best ball play. He's gonna have weeks where he pops off, but I think the consistency is just not going to be there. His team still has Mohammed Sanu. He is their possession receiver. I think he's still gonna get his targets as well. Uh and then Austin Hooper

still does a little bit in the past game as well. Again, there will be big weeks for Calvin Ridley, but that's why he's a better best ball play in my opinion. You don't really know when those are going to happen. I don't really know that you could even count on him to be a bye week replacement? Would you trust

getting Calvin Ridley in there? And as a bye week replacement if he's just a boom er bus kind of guy, Well, I'm hoping by the time the bye week's calling, Calvin Ridley is gonna be someone you can count on more. The chance that can happen, maybe he just overtakes Mohammed Sanu and is getting like six targets of games. So I think the idea that's the new moves to the slot. Calvirualley's really on the other side of Julio, and Julio's

kind of attracting all of his attention on defense. Calvin Ridley shows up and I think, Uh, people forget how good he was in college in Alabama. I know towards the end of his career it wasn't exactly all roses, but really was amazing. Dude, how many targets do you think? How many targets can you realistically get this year? Because like, is he gonna get more than eight? That's the thing. It kind of catches upside what you know, what I'd like to know and I can look at up right now,

how many targets Julio had his rookie year. We know, um Juleo Jones in his rookie season had ninety five targets, so that is what that's the ideal spot. I think Julio only played thirteen games as a rookie also, and that was what Roddy White was a superstar. We said

kind of the same thing. Is not that Julio was on the down side of his career, um, but Roddy White was a bonified superstar with the Atlanta Falcons and the drafted Julio, so they have some of the other side who they wound up with ninety five targets, fifty

four receptions, almost a thousand yards, and eight touchdowns. Now Calvin really a little bit smaller than Julio Jones and maybe not nearly as talented, but I think ninety five targets is a realistic expectation, especially because Juli only played thirteen games. So I will say ninety five targets is a fair expectation, and that would be pretty good from a rookie too. If he got ninety five targets, that would put him at just around six targets per game.

And if that happens, then yes, you're right, he probably is a fair bye week replacement. But you know, maybe if he's more so in that you know, four or five targets a game, they really just target him for deep shots down the field, He's not going to have that much volume in terms of receptions. Maybe I just think he's more of like that decoy down the field that like takes attention away from Julio Jones. He's gonna hit on a few of those big targets every now

and then. Um, but I just don't think he's gonna have the consistency that you're projecting right now. But you could certainly be right. Julio Jones' first season was eleven. That was Roddy Whites, aged thirty season. This is now Julio Jones, age twenty nine season. So they know what they're doing there in Atlanta. Just for the record, in that in that season, Um, in that season in two

thousand eleven, Roddy White played also teen games. He had a hundred and eighty targets, hundred and eighty targets, a hundred catches, nine six yards and eight touchdowns. So it's a totally different offense. And I completely understand that, but they drat the Calvin Ridley and and I can tell you this um that tomtf was the general manager there and he still is now. So ultimately, I think really is going to get more togets and people realized. I

think he's gonna be around that hundred number. I think the yards will be there. I think touchdowns will be there. Also, I think cal really is a really nicely around flyer. So here's his path to getting those targets. Basically, Mohamed s Knew had ninety seven targets last year, Taylor Gabriel had fifty one. So basically you're swapping those. Yes, you're just imagining that, uh Mohammed san News. More so when that fifty to sixty target range and I haven't really

stepping in and getting those, that's so crazy. It's not crazy. There is a path there for him to do it. How many targets Peerless Price had in two thousand and eleve I just maybe they're closer than that, you know, thirty forty range that we're imagining. Maybe it's like eight for Redley sev Maybe maybe so. And I think I'm closer to there than I am closer to a hundred. I'm just telling you the upside of the calendar ridley

could be Yeah. I mean playing alongside a guy like Julio Jones, like we've seen offenses have too Fantasy Vible wide receivers, It's certainly doable. Of course, was that a break here? When do we come back the earlier round wide receiver? Conversation continues Michael Thomas, Keenan Allen, Davante, Adams, E J. Green. That's it's here, But how do we order those guys? Frank and I will kind of break that down when we return. Those are the second round

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Michael Thomas, keenan All and Damote Adams and A. J. Green. For me, there's three guys and then one, and that's because I'm like super not high on the Bengals this year. I'll take the l if I'm wrong, but I just for whatever reason, don't like A J. Green. I don't like the Bengals. I'd rather invest in the Saints, the Chargers, and the Packers. That's why A. J. Green is last. That is my eighth ranked wide receiver this season. He

is also the last of this tier as well. And if you look at his finishes in terms of points per game over the past few seasons, he doesn't have immense upside, but he has a very very safe floor. So I still unders stand why he goes in the second round. Here are his finishes and points per game the last five years. Wide receiver fourteen, White receiver six, wide receiver twelve, Wide receiver fourteen, Wide receiver five. Well, he doesn't have him mens upside. Maybe he can't be

a top three guy. He's never finished below wide receiver fourteen over the past five years. UM still saw of the Bengals target share third highest among wide receivers last season. UM I think part of the reason why he struggles to produce for fantasy is he hasn't scored many touchdowns in recent years. He's only been over twenty red zone targets once in that five year span, so we want to see him get more red zone targets. But you know, kind of similarly to the Falcons, that team has John

Ross now on the other side of him. This is what we were expecting last year, is that John Ross can stretch the field, maybe take some defensive attention away from A J. Green. They're talking up Tyler Boyd, Tyler Eiffert is healthy or now in in the preseason, and then Joe Mixon UM should be able to help that out as well because defenses have to hopefully focus on the run an improved run games. So I think he's

very safe in the second round. But I will admit I don't know that he has as much upside as these other guys going in this range. Yeah, I I agree with you. I think the other guys. I don't want to say A J. Green doesn't have the ability to the other guys due to finish as a top five wide receiver or top three wide receivers. I think he does. We've seen that before, Um, But I'm just I'm just kind of obsessed with the upside of UM. The other three players in this quartet, if you will,

as A Green is the oldest of this group. May you're being a little agist here, I said yes. I said yes. They're in our Fandel programming. You'll see some of those videos live on our YouTube channel coding up later today. UM, but yeah, I think there. Agism is a thing, and I on both sides of it. What I want to pay heed to me is the cut off though, because right after a J Green you get into a whole group of Mike Evans. Stop. Let me

stop you there, like he gets the cut off. A lot of people believe Mike Evans is the cut off, and they have Evans in this group. Why don't you. I think he is much more viable of volatile anything that we've seen out of these guys the past buple of years. Michael Thomas has finished wide receiver eight in terms of points per game each of the past two seasons. Keenan Allen we finally so the upside last year hit

him finishing inside the top five at wide receiver. UM. He's battled injuries in the past, but I think based on the fact that there are no tight ends there and the target volume that Keenan Allen got last year, I think that's why we trust him more. And then Davanta Adams playing with the arguably best quarterback in the league right now in a very potent offense where I

read the stat earlier, Jorty Nelson. The past two seasons he played healthy with Aaron Rodgers finished wide receiver one and wide receiver three, So we think there's a chance Davanta Adams to get there too. Mike Evans just last year finished wide receiver twenty and proved that he is purely volume dependent and he's not getting those on seventy plus targets anymore that he was getting just a few years ago. Because his catch rate isn't all that great.

Jamis Winston and Ryan Fitzpatrick to start the year, they're not the most accurate quarterbacks um and Mike Evans normally sees a ton of defensive attention. We saw we thought that he would get more efficient last year. Ultimately it didn't really happen. So with the targets coming down, the efficiency not being great, Uh, he could probably score double digit touchdowns, but I don't think he has great reception uh and yard uh upside compared to other guys in

the second round. I completely agree, ultimately with everything that you said, and I think that the the the upside is evident. This is why he was an early round pick last year. But volatile is a perfect word for Mike Evans, and I think we expected it to be this dominant player, almost DeAndre Hopkins, like I think in this offense, I think it's clear he's not DeAndre Hopkins. No, he's not that type. He is a physical freak for sure.

He could go up, he can make the big catch, the contested catch, he could do his thing in the red zone. But to me, he's not as fast as these other guys. He doesn't run as crisp routes as these other guys. Maybe he doesn't have as strong hands as these other guys. You see like DeAndre Hopkins, Odell Beckham, Antonio Brown consistently making that circus, that freak catch, and I think Mike Evans could do it every now and again. I just think that he's in the same caliber of

talent as those guys. And it's not a knock on Mike Evans. Those guys are just the best in the world. Yeah, I'm with you in the world like that. It um so that means Michael Thomas, Keenan Allen, and DeVante Adams are all above Mike Evans and A. G. Green and they're in a tier as well. But for me, as clear as A G. Green was that he was the eighth rand wide receiver. For me, that's how clear it

is that Michael Thomas's ranked number five five. The issues that you have with Demante Adams and Keenan Allen probably both injury related. Demante Adams had a ton of concussion issues and Keenan Allen, while we have already said, listen, he's not injury prone. The injury issues or creeping in the back of your mind. I'm not not scared off all the injury issues by Alan, but like they're there, it's it's a real thing. Michael Thomas doesn't have those.

He doesn't have concussion issues, he doesn't have injury issues. He has that the Saints are gonna run the ball whole lot. Michael Thomas is the clear cut wide receiver one, and he improved by leaps and balance from his rookie year to you two. And I think that improvement continues in year three. UM, he is quiet. He's not one of these loud wide receivers like in Odell Beckham Jr. Um. He's not necessarily the physical freak of DeAndre Hopkins or

Julio Jones. But he's just really, really damn good. And that's why Michael Thomas is my wide receiver. Five consistency, consistency, and more consistency out of Michael Thomas. I mentioned it in terms of points per game two years in a row, finishing as the wide receiver eight overall and half point PPR outside of DeAndre Hopkins. Last year, Michael Thomas was the most consistent wide receiver, finishing as a top twenty four wide receiver in seventy five percent of his games.

DeAndre Hopkins did that in eighty one point three percent of his games. So Michael Thomas just really the second most consistent receiver behind DeAndre Hopkins and look Thomas touchdown regression positive regression is coming for him as well. We mentioned it with Drew Brees based on how many times Drew Brees threw the ball, which took a step back.

The Saints passing volume absolutely took a step back in terms of volume but they still threw the ball a decent amount of the completion percentage incredibly high for Drew Brees. Yet he had just twenty three touchdowns based on how much he threw the ball and threw the ball inside of the red zone. Uh, and at the efficiency that he did, you have to imagine Threw Brees gets somewhere between twenty and thirty touchdowns. I have to imagine Michael Thomas is going to get at least two or three

of those. So two years ago he had nine touchdowns on only a hundred and twenty one targets. Last year he came back, he only had five touchdowns on a hundred and forty nine targets. So if you look at that touchdown pace that he had with the targets who three years ago, if he just comes close to that, we're looking at eight to ten touchdowns this year out of Michael Thomas, and I think, unquestionably another one hundred catches over twelve yards. I said it last year and

I'll say it again. I think Michael Thomas is the most talented wide receiver that Drew Brees has ever played with. And we're seeing that now. Yeah, I think so too. As good as Marcus Colston. Marques Colston was I think Michael Thomas is better. And you're seeing Michael Thomas who is still extremely young. He's twenty five years old, um, and everything's going to get better. I think like him as a player. UM, I think that you know, receptions wise, he'll be at a hundred. I think yards wise will

be certainly over a thousand of touchdowns. They're only going up only at five last year. He can do. I think it's realistic that he doubles that. Um. He's consistent. And people love Cam Meredith and they like Ted Gain, but there's o Jimmy Graham anymore. Is Brandon Cooks anymore, Ben Watson Greggy. It's Michael Thomas, and that is what makes him by far in my opinion, the number five. So Frank and I in order the same top five, we have the same eight nine? Do we have the

same six seven? That's interesting and I've gone back and forth and I don't know the answer to this. When it comes to Keenan Allen Davante Adams. In our non PBR, I took Davante Adams over Keenan Allen. In a p BR, I think I would take Keenan Allen over Deamonte Adams in the half point, I have no idea I'd want the pick right after one of them go, so I could take the other one. That's how close they are for me, Frank, how do you bring it down Keenan

Allen versus Davante Adams. I think what you said in terms of scoring format makes the most sense. In non PPR, Davante Adams unquestionably going to score more touchdowns and Keenan Allen. Danta Adams has twenty two receiving touchdowns over the past two years. Nobody in the NFL has more receiving touchdowns than that during that spand so I think now that you take Jordy Nelson out of the equation and Devanta Adams is the number one wide receiver, I think his

floor is ten touchdowns. And I know it's hard to project touchdowns, but in this offense, as much as Aaron Rodgers throws the ball inside the red zone, as much as he targets wide receivers inside the red zone, I think Devanta Adams is as close to a lock for ten touchdowns as you can possibly get. Keenan Allen on the other side, I think you will see more volume in terms of targets. He will catch more of his targets than Davanta Adams. Um. So he to me is,

you know, a hundred and fifty plus targets, a hundred receptions. Uh, He's gonna have more receptions and yards than Devanta Adams, but will not have nearly as many touchdowns. And with that being said, I think the touchdowns could actually come up because he had six touchdowns last year. He was second in the NFL in red zone targets. Aunter Henry is not there anymore. Antonio Gates will sign with this team. But those guys combine for twenty three red zone targets themselves,

Hunter Henry and Antonio Gates last season. So you give some of those to Keenan Allen, You give some of those to Mike Williams, who were all starting to love and talk up here as a sleeper for fantasy football. And I think Keenan Allen SE's more than six touchdowns this year. I think his combination of hundred receptions thirteen at least thirteen hundred yards, and I'd say at least

seven or eight touchdowns. That combination, to me, is a little bit better than what we'll get out of Davante Adams. But I love Adams in this range as well for the reasons I mentioned in the stat of the Day specifically. Yeah, it's really it's really, really hard. I agree with you. I think Keenan Allen touchdowns undoubtedly go up without Hunter Henry around, with without Antonio Gates around, I think that they'll rely on him more um in that green zone

as they call it. Um. You know, he's a PPR monster. It's so hard between these two guys. Would you say, who are you more scared of when it comes to an injury, Keenan Allen Davanta Adams. It's a good question because Keenan Allen has the torn a c L in the past. He's He's dealt with a few nagging injuries,

But Davontae Adams has the concussion scares as well. I think based on everything Dr A has told us about the science of injuries and how guys recover from a c LS nowadays, and you know, once you have multiple concussions, it's more likely for you to sustain a concussion. I think I'm more worried about Davanta Adams and I agree and with that, we're gonna sign off YouTube right now. Remember the Fantasy at Football Frenzy comes your way next

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order do you have it? And ours is the same order? Right? Not pretty much it is. I'm just gonna make Odell Beckham wider tim or two for fun to me number ten, it it's t Y Hilton, and he's creeping closer and closer to number nine with Mike Evans, especially with the health of Andrew Luck. Nolling Er a question. Sure where the talent is We talked about at the top of the show that talent, but his ability to get back to being Andrew Luck in the bill need to throw

the ball deep. But for me, t Y Hilton, he looks healthy, even though he didn't play last night with a bit of an injury. Um, he seems okay. Luck seems okay. T Y Hilton, Uh rounds out of my top ten. Maybe we should be a little bit more worried about t Y Hilton. I think that Ryan Grant based on the fact that, uh, Andrew Luck is not throwing the ball downfield, and you know, we haven't really seen those guys connect much at all in the preseason UM and Throbs training camp, So maybe we should be

lowering t Y Hilton a little bit more. I will say this that Ty Hilton's average season with Andrew Luck at quarterback over the last three that they've played together is eighty five receptions nearly yards and six touchdowns. That would have equated to around two hundred and ten Fantasy points and a half PPR last year. That would have been good enough to be wide receiver five overall in sen So that just tells you, you know what t

Y Hilton's upside is. That's a reminder of it. But I think once you get into this range, like it starts to get worrisome, the Mike Evan t Y Hilton range. That's why you know people don't love the early pick all that much because then you have to take two of those wide receivers and you get one of those guys that your wide receiver one, whereas once you miss out on a J Green to me, Davante Adams km Nollen, you're not gonna love your wide receiver one. If that

makes sense. Great, What do you think about I want to go to to this person's team right in my auction? What do you think about starting a team with Christian McKee? So this is basically what he did. He started with Christian McCaffrey, Stefon Diggs, and Mike Evans. That's kind of what you're talking about, okay, And those are his three best players. Those are three, I mean those are three

best players. Now the other two wide receivers he has. UM, so he went as I went stars and scrubs obviously with Odell Um, with Odell Beckham, Antonio Brand and Joan Howard, and you said you like that a lot. Um he went with the more balanced approach Christian McCaffrey, Stefon Diggs, Mike Evans, Jarvis Landry, Marvin Jones. So he was able to get those four very very solid wide receivers, no super duper stars, no first round pick on this team. UM,

two twos and three threes. Basically, what do you think? There are a lot of different ways to win. Me personally, if I'm doing an auction this year, I have to have one of those top A wide receivers. I'm gonna end up with one of those guys for sure, and then I'm gonna try and lock down a workhorse running back best as I could. And again, you can win

taking a balance approach in auction. But me personally, while you know he has t Y Hilton and Mike Evans, so that makes you feel a little bit better about it because you have both of those guys inside your top ten so you know, if there's weeks where Mike Evan struggled a little bit, maybe t Y Hilton picks him up and vice versa. But personally, I need to have one of those topy wide receivers, especially an auction

where I can control who I win. I think the problem with that team is he doesn't have a top eight wide receiver. It doesn't have an That's what's scary. That's what's scary. Uh, we're done. Fantasy Football Frenzy comes your way. Next, subscribe to the podcast. Give us like, give us five stars. We really appreciate it. When we come back tomorrow on the show, the next ten wide Receiver, it looks four team. We'll finish out wide receiver one and wide receiver too. We hope to have you there.

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