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Seeking God's Wisdom

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In a world that chases wealth as the ultimate goal, Scripture calls us to something better—wisdom. Because without godly wisdom, even abundance can lead us astray. On Faith & Finance Live, Jim Newheiser will join Rob West to explore why wisdom, not money, is the true measure of success in God’s economy. Then Rob will answer some questions on different financial topics. That’s Faith & Finance Live, where biblical wisdom meets today’s finances.

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Proverbs 1616 says, how much better to get wisdom than gold? To get understanding is to be chosen rather than silver. Hi, I'm Rob West. In a world that chases, wealth is the ultimate goal. Scripture calls us to something better wisdom. Because without godly wisdom, even abundance can lead us astray. Today, Jim Newheiser joins us to explore why wisdom, not money, is the true measure of success in God's economy. And then it's on to your calls at 800, 500, 25, 7000.

This is faith and finance. Live biblical wisdom for your financial journey. Well, it's a pleasure to welcome Jim Newheiser back on the program. Jim is a trusted biblical counselor, pastor, and seminary professor, and he's the author of a powerful little book I believe every Christian household should read money Seeking God's Wisdom. Jim, thanks for being with us today.

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Thank you so much. I'm delighted to be with you, Jim.

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We recently released a new study at Faith fi called Wisdom Over Wealth, which explores how the pursuit of wisdom, rather than wealth, leads to lasting purpose and joy. That's a theme you highlight in day 30 of your devotional, where you reflect on the surpassing value of wisdom over wealth. What led you to focus on that truth?

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Well, how we spend our time and how we spend our money really reflects what we value in our hearts. And yet, many people invest their time and their money in what does not really satisfy. In Isaiah chapter 55, verse two, the Lord declares, why do you spend money for what is not bread, and your wages for what does not satisfy? Listen carefully to me, and eat what

is good, and delight yourself in abundance. And so the Lord is saying that the things that we pursue in the world that we think are going to make us really happy. Don't ever really satisfy our souls, and that the ultimate satisfaction comes in our relationship with him and all that he gives us.

S1

Yeah, there's no doubt about that. So then how should that motivate us as believers?

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Well, one would be just to pursue knowing God through His Word and to invest time in spending the word. A part of the principle, even of rest in the Bible, is that God has made us productive enough in six days so that we can invest today in seeking the Lord and worship with his people. And during the day, some people are so busy making money pursuing their career, they'll say, well, I don't have time to read the Bible.

I don't have time to pray with my family, and to recognize that the time invested in our relationship with God is more lucrative in a spiritual sense, than spending every waking moment trying to earn more money. That's just going to be burned up in the end anyway.

S1

Yeah, there's no doubt about that, Jim, as we take even a deeper dive into this topic of wisdom, what else do you see in the proverbs that jumps out at you?

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It's interesting. Proverbs gives all these analogies and these pictures where you have lady wisdom as if she's the soul's true bride. And then there's Madame Folly, both the literal but also a figurative adulteress. And in Proverbs four, he even uses language where wisdom will be for you like a crown. Same language that uses elsewhere of a wife.

Is that the joy and the satisfaction of pursuing the knowledge of God through His Word is going to be precious and delightful in every sense, and the world is tantalizing us with its false wisdom, including money is all that matters. Pleasure that money provides will make you happy, and that is spiritual adultery which will lead to misery.

S1

Mhm. Wow. Yeah. That's powerful. So Jim, in our final moments here in this broadcast, what would you share with our listeners who really want to apply this understanding of the value of wisdom to their lives.

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Will actually I would plug the book you're giving away my little book where for some people who aren't regularly in the word, it's just two pages a day. It can be a great thing for a husband and a wife or a family that it reads the scripture, it speaks from the Scripture to people. So I think building into your life a habit of seeking God in His Word. And for some people it might be starting with little bite sized chunks or reading a chapter of Proverbs a

day and really asking God to speak to you. And he promises that he will give us something better than financial wealth as we taste and see the goodness of God.

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And no doubt about it. And you know my experience, Jim, is that this financial journey that we're on is one of the key ways God shapes our spiritual journey. There's just such a huge connection between our hearts and our money, and obviously God is all about our hearts. Well, Jim, it's great advice for us today. Thanks for stopping by, my friend.

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Thank you. My pleasure. May the Lord bless you.

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Our guest today has been author and biblical counselor Jim Newheiser. And if today's conversation sparked a desire to go deeper, we'd love to help you do just that. Faith five brand new study is called Wisdom Over Wealth 12 lessons from Ecclesiastes on Money. You receive a copy when you become a faith by partner at $35 a month or $400 a year when you go to faith Philly.com. We'll be right back.

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The opinions offered during this program represent the personal or professional opinions of the participants, given for informational purposes only. Any information provided is not intended to replace advice from a financial, medical, legal, or other professional who understands your specific situation.

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Hey, thanks for joining us today on Faith and finance Live here on Moody Radio I'm Rob West. Great to have Jim Newheiser here. I'll tell you, I so appreciate Jim's insights. And you know, this topic is so near and dear to our hearts here at Faith. FYI, that wisdom is undoubtedly better than money. Proverbs 16 how much better to get wisdom than gold? To get understanding is to be chosen rather than silver. You know, we live

in a day and an age. The most prosperous nation in the history of the world, where money can have an allure. You know, the things of this world seem, well, very enticing. And they have promises that they make to us that they cannot live up to. They will not bring lasting fulfillment. They will not fulfill our need for recognition and identity and significance and abundance. We were hardwired for that. But we only find that in God as

our ultimate treasure. Money, though, is a good gift, a powerful tool to bring God glory, to accomplish his purposes for us to enjoy and provide, and to give and to invest so long as it stays in its proper place, that is a tool accomplishing God's purposes. Now we realize you have very specific questions, things going on in your financial life as you navigate your own stewardship journey. And

that's why we're here. Each afternoon, we come together to just lean into God's word, to share one another's burdens, but to also share our stories. And so we'd love for you to be a part of the broadcast today. Whether you're wrestling with some debt you can't seem to shake hold of, or maybe it's saving for the future. Perhaps you have uncertainty around how to navigate your investments. Or maybe it's your spending plan wanting to give wisely. What does that look like? Well, with any of those

questions today, we've got lines open. We're ready for you. So you can call right now 800 525 7000. The lines will fill up, but now's the time to get in. You won't have to wait. Our team is standing by, so call right now with your financial questions of any nature. 800 525 7000. We'll look forward to getting you on the air quickly. And we'll be headed to those phones here in just a moment. In the news today, a buying a home is harder than ever, and nearly half

of homeowners regret their purchase. According to a bank rate survey, 45% of homeowners cite frustrations with ongoing costs. We're talking about maintenance and hidden fees. The average homeowner spends over $18,000 a year on non-mortgage expenses. In places like California and Hawaii, that number jumps to nearly $29,000. Now these costs we're talking property taxes, internet repairs, and more. They often get overlooked during the buying process, especially by those who are

stretching their budget. They're trying to get into a house, and they really can't afford that house. and they certainly aren't factoring in those nonpayment expenses things beyond the mortgage payment. So to guard against surprise expenses, experts recommend a thorough home inspection. This goes without saying. Zillow notes that while some issues may be minor, others like, well, a foundation

crack I've been there could require specialists. Follow ups. Inspections can also help buyers negotiate repairs as a part of the sale. Still, regular upkeep is essential. Instead of waiting for things to break, schedule seasonal maintenance like gutter cleanings, I actually need to do that on my house, which can prevent significant issues down the line. Another one would

be tuning up that AC unit. Yeah, it's an expense we'd all love to keep in our pockets, and yet it can save much more costly repairs down the road. They don't rush into buying. There's no shame in renting. Take time to evaluate your long term financial goals and readiness for the responsibilities of home ownership. Consult a financial advisor that can help you determine a realistic, sustainable home buying budget. Don't be concerned about delaying that purchase and

not getting ahead of yourself. A couple of rules of thumb. And by the way, still some lines open. So if you've got a question today, we'll begin taking those here in just a moment. 800 525 7000 with your financial questions. That's 800 525 7000. Uh, two rules of thumb here when you're thinking about buying a home. Number one, is that down payment? We've talked about this a good bit. No more than or you want to save up 20%

that you can put down. That's going to give you a bit extra in the way of not only savings for private mortgage insurance, which is an unnecessary expense, not going to do anything for you. And by the way, it's about 1% of the mortgage value. It's also going to ensure that you go in with some equity so that you don't ever find yourself upside down. If we were to get into a recession and although home prices

don't dip often, they do go down. And so we certainly wouldn't want to get you upside down on that. I think the other big idea here is that, you know, there are three primary budget busters. If we were to just kind of take a look at what are those things that typically derail us with regard to our spending plan. Number one would be and this is easier to fix food. Food tends to be that area that can get out of control quickly. And and that's certainly true now with

food prices where they are. I don't know if you've, uh, been able to eat, uh, out recently, but food costs are on the rise, no doubt. Um, that one. You can make some changes and rectify that situation. Second one, a little harder to get out of. And that would be transportation costs, you know, unwinding a purchase of a car that was beyond what you can afford, uh, obviously is a problematic, uh, but you can do it. The

third one, though, is that house. Uh, you know, that is the budget buster that is the most difficult to unwind. Not only because it just takes time and and significant effort to sell a home, but it's costly. You know, buying and selling real estate are most expensive purchase for most of us. Um, is not without significant costs in terms of realtor fees and taxes and not to mention moving and all the other things that come with buying

and selling homes. So I will say, let's just try not to put ourselves in that position to begin with. And the key there is just to avoid buying that house we really can't afford. And so we can't shop with our eyes and even the neighborhood or the features. We've got to start with the family budget. What is that amount of house we can really afford? And, uh, as a result of that, you know, back into, okay, what do I need to save and then what do

I then need to take on as a mortgage? And at today's prevailing rates, which, you know, is higher than we have become accustomed to over the last couple of decades, even though it's closer to the long term averages. What is that mortgage payment, including taxes and insurance. Now, the other thing that really has gotten people as of late is that property insurance or excuse me, property taxes. Yeah,

homeowners insurance is going up too. But property taxes have become very problematic just because with home values on the rise, even though you're not realizing that and you won't until you sell that property value is climbing, which means those property taxes are climbing. And, you know, we've got a lot of folks in our listening audience who have seen over the last, let's say, three years, as much as 30%

or more in an increase in their property taxes. Well, that's, you know, that can be really problematic if we didn't have the ability to absorb that in our budget. So all that to say, homeownership is challenging right now. Higher interest rates. High housing prices don't stretch to buy a house you can't afford. And don't neglect those other expenses beyond the mortgage payment, which can add up quickly. All right, I hope that helps. Listen, we're going to be taking

your phone calls here in just a moment. I think we've had some challenges with our phones. We're working to rectify that. If you've been getting a busy signal, hopefully that will be resolved here momentarily. Looking forward to hearing from you today on Faith and finance. Live on Moody Radio. I'm Rob West. Here's our goal that you'd see God as your ultimate treasure, and we'd help you live as a wise and faithful steward. Much more to come just

around the corner. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. Thanks for joining us today on Faith and finance live. We are having some challenges with our phone lines today. You're probably getting a busy signal. Our team is working on that. We will try to get that resolved just as quickly as we can. In the meantime, we're going to tackle a couple of emails. We receive emails all the time, and maybe this is the Lord's way of encouraging me to get to some of those emails we've

been collecting, which I'm delighted to do. It often slips my mind. Here's what David wrote I contributed to an IRA thinking it was a smart move. But now, in retirement, I'm facing a higher tax rate than when I earned the income. Are there any strategies to help mitigate the

tax impact for those of us in this situation? You know, unfortunately, David, you're right, many retirees contributed to IRAs traditional that is expecting lower tax rates later, only to find that they end up in higher brackets due to required minimum distributions, maybe income they weren't counting on, among other things that could drive that. So here are a few ways to your question that can mitigate. Mitigate that increased tax liability.

Number one. And this is one of my favorites. You probably heard me talk about it, but if not this could be a game changer. It's the qualified charitable distribution, the QCD. If you're 70.5 or older, it will go directly from your IRA to a charity. It doesn't count as income and can satisfy your required minimum. So that would allow you to get the money out, satisfy the minimum, um, and and not have anything added to your taxable income.

You could do some incremental Roth conversions. So you'll pay the tax now. But growth and withdrawals from the Roth are of course tax free. You could delay Social Security if you wait till age 70. It could boost your benefit and give you more time to do Roth conversions. Um, and then I would just say plan ahead to make strategic withdrawals. So pulling from your IRA before RMDs start, can help to spread out taxes over time and keep you in a lower bracket. I would also say just

this underscores the opportunity to work with an advisor. We recommend connecting with a certified Kingdom advisor to help you do tax planning. That minimizes what you have to give to Uncle Sam. Uh, you always obviously can look at other ways to reduce taxable income. That would be more typical, where you might increase your charitable contributions. Those kinds of things can be very helpful as well. So hopefully that gives you a few things to think about. Uh, this

comes from Cecilia. She writes, uh, when helping a first time home buyer child, is it more cost effective to co-sign on the mortgage or take out a home equity loan and pay off the mortgage directly, allowing the child to repay the parents? The goal is to save closing costs and fees. Uh, let me just say, Cecilia, it's generous, uh, to want to help your child buy a home. But when it comes to cosigning, the Bible is crystal clear.

Don't do it. Uh, Proverbs 2226 and 27 says, do not be one who strikes or shakes hands in pledge or puts up security for debts. If you lack the means to pay, your very bed will be snatched from under you. It doesn't mince any words there. Co-signing ties, your credit and financial future to someone else's behavior. Even if your child is responsible. Life happens. There's job losses and illness and divorce, and if they can't pay, the

lender will come after you. And this could not only jeopardize your financial stability, it could also jeopardize your relationship, depending upon kind of how this ends up playing out. So here's what I would do. I would just say, uh, if you have a desire to help the kids, uh, you know, the best way I've found to do this is to let them qualify for the mortgage they can qualify for, and one that fits their budget. And to do that in a way that allows them to be

responsible to exercise some discipline. But then perhaps you come in after the fact and prepay the mortgage and help them pay it down quicker, maybe even say, listen, we'll match every dollar you send beyond the scheduled mortgage payment. Now you may say, well, that's just going to end up with a higher mortgage and a higher payment. And that's unnecessary. But if they can get into the house they really can afford on the front end, then they

shouldn't have any problem paying that mortgage payment. And by you paying it down, reducing that principal, you're going to save them a bundle in interest and ensure that they continue to pay at that level just to pay that off even quicker. Now the other way would be you make the gift that becomes the down payment. Um, you know, that's the other way to do it. But I would avoid that. Cosigning. Hope that helps. Cecilia. This one's from Cindy. She writes I've been hearing more about a deed fraud.

What steps can homeowners take to protect themselves against it? You can check Cindy with your county deeds or record office to see if they offer an alert option. If anyone tries to do anything with your deed, many counties do now offer that service in response to all the talk about deed fraud. Most allow you to check online yourself to see the status of the deed. So since you can do these things on your own, we don't recommend that you pay a monthly fee for someone to

do it for you. A lot of times this is referred to as, um, you know, title lock insurance. The problem is the word insurance is a misnomer. See, if somebody fraudulently transfers your deed into their name, and typically they would do that for the purpose of taking a loan against it that you're responsible for inadvertently. Um, and then not repaying it. And then ultimately, you figure it out when the home is tried. You know, they attempt to foreclose it. Nobody can protect you against that. It

was fraudulent to begin with. Really, what they're trying to do is just alert you, uh, you know, to, uh, any kind of fraudulent transfer. Um, so in that case, I would just say, you know, let's not add unnecessary expense. Now, if you can afford it, and it gives you added peace of mind, go for it. But for the typical person, I would say, let's not add this kind of lock

insurance or a title lock subscription. Uh, let's first check with our county deeds and records office and see if they will put an electronic alert on there for you, um, so that you can essentially do this yourself. I hope that helps. Hey, I'm glad we were able to tackle some questions for you today. Those come in by email and if you want to send one along, you can send it to ask Rob at com. You can also go to Moody's website, Moody Radio.com. That's Moody radio. All right.

We're going to take a quick break. My understanding is we, uh, did get the phones. So if you have a question, now's the time to call 800 525 7000. Again, that number 800 525 7000. We'd love to hear from you today. A quick break and back with more after this. Stay with us.

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Great to have you with us today on Faith in Finance Live. We're looking.

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Forward.

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To.

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Taking your calls.

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And questions today.

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That number to call 800 525 7000. It's 800 525 7000. Our team is standing by. We'd love to tackle whatever is on your mind today. Let's head to the phones. Osceola, Indiana is where Dick's located. Go ahead, sir.

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Well. Good afternoon Rob. Glad to talk with you. I have been blessed over the years through the financial counseling that Moody's had on their programs, and that has helped us to be very diligent with our finances and in tithing and giving extra gifts. We're both retired now, and the we needed to take some money out to do some renovations on our house, and it was $50,000. And I'm just wondering, this has already been tied on, but there's the increase that came for having it in a

401 K and now an IRA. How would you recommend we determine how much to tithe from that amount of money?

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Yeah. Very good. Well, Dick, thanks for your testimony to the important work of Moody Radio and delighted that we've been able to be a small part of your journey and giving testimony to the to the Lord's faithfulness. And so thrilled to hear that you've been a regular giver. So this money that we're talking about here, what did you say the amount was?

S5

It's a $50,000.

S1

Okay. And you pulled it from a retirement account?

S5

Yes.

S1

Okay. Yeah. So the the money that you put into the retirement account, um, whether that was by way of a salary deferral or an IRA contribution, if you were tithing on the gross, you tithed already on the principal amount that you put in. Now, what you're acknowledging is that some portion of what you're pulling out is, you know, part of that would be the gain inside that account. Is that correct?

S5

Yes.

S1

That's correct. Yeah. Great. So what is the total of your contributions? Do you do you have a record of that?

S5

I have that I don't have that handy. But we give 10% to our church. And then there are a number of ministries that we have given to for years that is beyond the 10%.

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Okay. Yeah. And I was actually. And then that's helpful. I was actually referring to the contributions into that retirement account. Do you know what the total amount of what you've put in is. So then we could determine how much beyond that would be equal to the, the gain or the increase that you've had in that account?

S5

No, I don't have that figure. But it would have been, you know, when when I, we tithed on the gross amount that we made as we worked and then um, from that, um, we had given to our 401 and then on retirement, we converted those to IRAs.

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Gotcha. Yeah. So that might be difficult to back into. I mean, ideally what we'd be able to do is say, okay, and I'm just going to use round numbers here. Let's say you put in you know we'll just use something simple 100,000. I'm sure it's a lot more than that over the years. And now it's 150. Um, then, you know, the the total gain on that would be 50,000 and we could say, okay, what portion of that? Well, it happens to be 50%. Uh, of of what you have

now is, uh, resulting from the gain. And so we could apply that percentage to every withdrawal and say, okay, you know, half of everything I take out was what I put in, and half is considered the increase. And therefore I'm going to tithe on half of every check

I take. Um, if you can't do that, uh, you could just use, you know, that as a ballpark number to say, okay, I'm going to assign some percentage that represents the increased portion of every check, and then we're going to give a tithe on that, recognizing you're giving above and beyond that with other giving. Um, but at least for every check you pull out. That would give you some, you know, percentage that you could apply to say,

this is, you know, representative of the increase. And we're going to take a 10th of that and we're going to give it back, you know, to our local church as unto the Lord. Does that make sense?

S5

Yes. And I appreciate that. That's I think good wise counsel. So thank you Rob.

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Absolutely, Dick. We appreciate your call. Call anytime. If we can help you with anything. Uh, we'd love to chat with you. 800 525 7000 is the number to call. If you'd like to be a part of the program today, we'd love to have you. Let's go to Grand Rapids. Hi, Valerie. Go ahead.

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Hello. Um, yeah, I'm dpoa for my aunt, who is a very generous giver all of her life. And, um, although when her dementia went and she was maybe giving to some things that weren't wise, um, but she was able to kind of, you know, could see what she gave to and gave, did some giving early on. Not as much as the 50% she was giving away sometimes, but now she really can't. She wants she still has the heart for missions and. But it just tells me,

you know, you do what's right. I can't think about that. Um, but now they're, you know, she's in an assisted living and she's needed increasing care. So it's fairly expensive and it's going up $300 a month, you know, starting this year. So she has 6 to 7 years left of investment if she stays at this level. But that's barring any medical things or other things that could come up too. So I'm trying to figure out what's the responsible thing.

Do I still give in faith or is that would that come back and I'd have to justify that or would go, you know, yes, she goes on Medicaid. They go after the people she gave to or what?

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Yes. Well, I can appreciate that because I, I'm, I love the fact that you want to honor her desires and generous heart as you steward on behalf of her because she's unable to do so cognitively. These resources. And yet I would just say as her guardian, Valerie, your first obligation is to care for your aunt. And so I would say in, you know, your desire to to make sure that her needs, needs are met and that she can live comfortably, that would be my primary objective.

And you know, the extent to which there's something left over. Obviously, not all that money can be given away to charity. Um, you know, if she had, you know, far more than you believe she would need, then I think, you know, honoring, continuing to give to missions and honoring that desire that, you know, was so clear just in the way she lived her life would be great, but it just doesn't

sound like that's the situation that we're in. And, you know, she is ultimately the steward, but she's unable to make those decisions. The Lord doesn't need her money, and she clearly was very generous as an act of worship to

the Lord. When she was able to do so. But I think at this point, if it were me, my primary objective, at least with these resources, not talking about your own with these resources, would be to ensure that everything that the Lord has entrusted to her is available for her care, and that would be my primary focus.

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Okay. I have another question. I mean, it was good when she finally did. I mean, she was very private about stuff. She'd just started letting me understand her finances. But then the people she invested with, we were able to track things and get things on him. But right now, we've got another man who had started a ministry in

a nursing home. We've kind of taken over when he couldn't, but, um, his we've kind of come to, ah, and don't even know how to go about, you know, who, what kind of person would be the best to even sort this out, or whether we're better, better just letting it take its flow. And when it comes to a crisis. Somebody else should do something.

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Yeah, I think it'd be good to get somebody in there to just try to help. Take a look at that. Um, there is a resource that we offer that are called Certified Christian Financial Counselors, and they specialize in budgets and spending plans and, you know, debt plans and helping people just kind of get, uh, things in, in proper order with regard to managing finances. Um, so this is not a financial advisor or a wealth manager really more focused

on the mechanics of personal finance. So head to our website. Com click find a professional. If you choose budgeting or debt you'll get a list of certified Christian financial counselors. Anyone can help. Thanks for your call. Thanks for joining us today on Faith and Finance Live. I'm Rob West here in our final segment today. We want to get to as many calls as we can. So if you have a question call right now. Anything going on in

your financial life. 800 525 7000. We did have a small glitch with our phone system, but that has been reset and we're ready to go. So if you got a busy signal earlier, now's the time to try again with those financial questions. 800 525 7000. A Coral Springs, Florida, is where we're headed next. Laverne, thanks for calling. Go ahead.

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Thanks for taking my call, Rob. Okay, so my husband and I, we sold our primary home last year, and we're going to invest it in multifamily. Uh, that didn't work out. We're still going to do that. However, we have another building that I'm running my business out of. We have a mortgage balance of 180. The interest rate is 3.75. So we're thinking of paying off that 180 by doubling the mortgage over two and a half years versus 24 years. Is that a good idea?

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Yeah. So let's talk through this. I mean, I never would be opposed to you paying off a mortgage early. It is a low interest rate. And so I'd want to understand just the opportunity cost of what you're giving up by putting that money into this illiquid asset of a home. Um, but let me just make sure I understood what you said. Did you say you already did sell your primary residence?

S7

Yes we did.

S1

Okay. So what is this property here with the 3.25%?

S7

Okay. So it's an investment property. We're temporarily staying there. We were renting for a year, which was 30,000 for that year. So we decided to pretend we're still paying that rent, put it on the mortgage and pay it off in two and a half years versus 24 years to save that interest.

S1

Yeah. Okay. And so where would that money come from? So you in two and a half years, you're going to pay off 180,000. Is that right?

S7

That's how I work it out at the mortgage we're paying now. Plus, adding the rent that we were paying, which was about 3000. So we would add that extra 3000 to the mortgage to be mortgage free in.

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A half years.

S1

So that's about six. I mean, what about 7000 a month? You're going to send to cover the.

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Interest a little over.

S7

6000 a month, correct?

S8

Yes.

S1

Okay. Yeah. And, um, what other assets do you have right now?

S7

Well, we we have the money from the primary. Uh, it's about 200,000.

S1

Okay.

S7

And we have about 16,000 in business credit card debt and about 3000 in personal, which get paid off every month.

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Okay.

S1

Yeah. Um, but you don't have any retirement accounts or anything like that?

S7

No.

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Okay. Yeah. I mean, the only thing I would say is, you know, there's not a whole lot of diversification there. I mean, you would have pretty much all of your assets tied up in real estate, which there's nothing wrong with real estate. Uh, it's just that, you know, you you don't have anything working in a tax deferred environment, and you are all in one asset class. That asset class being real estate. Now that real estate is going to appreciate regardless of whether you pay off the mortgage.

So really, you know, all you're doing is you're saving the 3.75%. And the reality is, you know, if you were to take that same, uh, you know, I don't know whether what is it, 3000 a month or 36,000 a year and put it away elsewhere. Um, you know, you could probably, you know, it wouldn't be that difficult for you to outpace that 3.75%. And at the same time, you'd be further diversifying Crucifying yourself, um, among asset classes. So in addition to real estate, you'd have some in

stocks and bonds, which is more liquid? Uh, because if you ever need to get to it, you could, you know, sell the stocks or bonds and have the money, whereas, as you know, it's it's more illiquid. Um, you know, with real estate, you've got transaction costs and it takes

time to sell. So unless you all just are obviously you like real estate a lot, but unless you're just opposed to investing in the market, um, and therefore you'd rather just keep everything in your real estate, I would say, uh, especially given that you're planning to buy a multifamily property

here with the proceeds of the primary residence. I would probably just ride that mortgage out, um, at a low rate and and get that money invested so that you've got something that can be growing for your future alongside the appreciation of that real estate. Does that make sense?

S7

Yes it does. Thank you so much.

S1

Yeah. And I. You're welcome. I try to get as much of that going into a in a retirement account as possible if you do that. So I'd probably use Roth IRAs. Are you all over the age of 50?

S7

Uh, yes. We both are.

S8

Okay.

S1

Yeah. So you would be able to, uh, to put in $8,000 each for the year, so 16,000, uh, for 2025, and then you could turn around and do that again, perhaps even a little bit more for 2026. The additional amount beyond those IRAs, you'd have to put in a taxable account, but you still could, you know, get that money working for you, uh, and make it and invest it. So hopefully that gives you some things to think about. Laverne, sounds like you and your husband are doing a great

job managing all this, and we appreciate your call today. Uh, Tampa Bay is where we're headed next. Uh, Christina, go right ahead.

S9

Hello. How are you? Rob? Thanks for taking my call.

S1

Absolutely. Thank you.

S9

So my question today is, I'm probably on the opposite spectrum from a lot of people that call you. Um, I'm 47. I just started my career after being a stay at home mom. That was my number one job, and I'm grateful to God that I was able to do that. Um, got my dream job. Um, went back to school, got my bachelor's degree. I'm making okay money. I they offer at my job, they offer a 403 B for retirement. I don't have any retirement. Never have

had retirement from. Because I didn't have a career. Didn't have a job. Um, my question is this. They will start matching 3%. They have two options. One is like a pre-tax and the other one is a Roth. I think that's post tax. Um, they will match up to 3% after one year. Should I start putting money into that right now, or should I wait until they start matching? I'm not sure what to do, and I'm not exactly

sure how much I should start putting in that account. Um, we're still trying to get out of debt and stuff and catch up.

S1

Okay? Yeah. Very good. Well, first of all, you did have a job and an amazing one at that. So I'm delighted to hear that. But now that you're transitioning to this next chapter and you've got, uh, a different type of work that you're excited about, I'm thrilled for you in that as well. And yeah, this is a great opportunity for you to start putting some money away. I'm not terribly concerned about the fact that there's not

matching for the first year, especially with it. Sounds like your company gives you the option of a a Roth 403 B. That's great. That means you can put in the after tax money. Um, and then it'll grow tax free and then you'll get that bonus, that kicker in 12 months where they're going to start to match it. But I think the key for you right now is to get something going into retirement savings. And the Roth 401 is a great option. And you have a lot more room to put in more money, um, you know,

than you do with the IRA. Um, and you wouldn't get any matching on that either, so you might as well just keep it in the, in the for three b. I think the only question is based on what you said right there at the tail end, if you have high interest consumer debt, I would wait until that's paid off before you start putting money into the 403 B, because that's probably at a much higher interest rate than you would expect to earn reasonably on this 403 B account.

So what what type of debt are you all still working on? Is it credit cards or something else?

S9

Yeah, we have credit card debt. Um, we still have our mortgage and we have some used cars. We didn't want to buy brand new after dealing with some stuff and doing having just really bad luck with deals. Um, we have very small, like car payments with lower. I mean, they're not super low, but our balances are not extraordinarily high like they would be with a brand new car. So the goal is to try to pay those off and and get out of some of that debt. And

then of course, the credit card debt. It's not astronomical, but it's enough where we probably should pay that stuff off first.

S1

Yeah, I would totally agree with that. Not necessarily the cars. I mean, if you have a conviction about that, go ahead. But a lot of times, you know, as long as you you didn't buy too much car and it sounds like you guys were really thoughtful about what you did there.

I just work that into your spending plan, and I would take advantage of this opportunity to get that compounding working for you in that four A, three B. But I would prioritize the credit card debt first, because if that's at an interest rate north of 20%, we want to get rid of that as quickly as we can. So if you delaying the 403 B contributions means you can get out from under that credit card debt quicker. Great.

Let's do it. The second thing is, I'd love for you to have at least one month's worth of emergency funds in there before you start the 403 B, and then let's start the four of three B contributions. So long as you've got at least something going into that emergency fund every month. So even if it's slow, we're getting on our way to the 3 to 6 months

expenses you really want. Ultimately, I'd love for you to be putting 10 to 15% of your pay in that 403 B, but if you need to delay that because you know you're still working on the credit cards or because you're still working on the emergency fund, then that's fine. But as soon as you can, I'd get that money going in the 403 B even before the matching kicks in.

S9

Awesome. Thank you so much Rob I appreciate it.

S1

Absolutely. Thanks for your call today. Uh, Lisa, I apologize we didn't get to you. We're about out of time today. Uh, they're in Fort Lauderdale, but I'd love to get you on tomorrow's broadcast. So if you want to hold the line. Uh, Lisa, we'll see if we can get you scheduled for tomorrow's show. And we appreciate your call today. Well, folks, uh, boy, what a treat to be along with you today to

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