¶ Controversy in Christian Men's Conference
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There was a lot of controversy , a lot of a scandal wrapped up , but he has since then multiple times gone viral . He has since then repented , turned and he has changed his life and now he's back on the path . Your opinion about the guy ? I don't know . Have you heard of him ?
Mark Driscoll , this guy is a guy who , what he says and what he says he believes , he sticks with it and I admire him because he doesn't let his placement change his character . What do I mean by that ? There are a lot of ministers Okay , I don't know when we're going to talk about the TD Jakes accusations , but we may get there next week .
There are a lot of preachers I wouldn't I don't know if I'd call them pastors A lot of preachers that are good .
They're charismatic , they know the right things to say , they know when to say them , they know how to say them , they know which verses to use and what place to put them to make it seem like God is always on your side and there's never any kind of correction .
We call them the prosperity preachers , the prosperity gospel , and that is one of the most dangerous gospels out there . It is one that will bleed you , drive your bank account , make you think like you're a part of something . I guess you are . You're buying their jets and buying their expensive vehicles and their churches and things like that .
Sure , there's actually a church in Branson , missouri , that my stepdad told me , that the guy there , the pastor there , has a private jet and he offers to the people there , for I don't know how many thousands of dollars that you can buy your seat and it will be your seat and nobody can sit there .
Now , I don't know if you go to church , but where I go to church and where I preach at , people got their spots . It may be worth doing . Hey , it would cut down on people being upset about people taking their spots because they literally own the chair . Now it's funny because we just replaced our chairs , got new chairs last year and we were joking around .
Some of the people were like , hey , that's your spot . You pay tithes here , you pay for that , because people I mean you look up and they're in their spot . I've seen people come in and somebody was in their spot and they sit behind it or beside it and then when that person got up , I saw them run and take their spot back .
I was like man , that's some petty junk right there . I mean I get it . So it is what it is , but anyways . So mark driscoll he is . He's a pastor . Look him up youtube channel . There's actually , I think , a documentary on .
He was a past lead pastor of a church called mars hill and I think the the the show , the documentary , is called the rise and fall of mars hill . I have not watched it personally , so I don't know the depths of everything that happened , but I do know . I do know that there was scandal involved .
So , with that being said , if you won't listen to a preacher or a minister or a worship band or whatever , after they mess up because you say that that's inaccurate and that's unbiblical and I won't listen to that . Junk Preachers all the time preach from King David and he was a murderer , adulterer or whatever . You know what I mean .
But he knew how to say God , I am sorry , and he meant it . God saw his heart and knew that he was being sincere and that , to me , when there's repentance in the heart , it's evident . When there's repentance in the heart , you can tell , you can see it .
It produces a fruit of repentance and turning and being truly sorry for what you've done and , from what I've seen from this guy , it has been a road for him truly of repentance . So , while we're here , before we get started , if you will please like the video , share , subscribe .
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I love talking and hearing people's story , so , without further ado , make sure you subscribe , make sure you like let's watch this video . So , just as a little bit of a setup , this is a men's conference , okay , so keep that in your head a men's conference . This is not them girls out there wiling out . This is a man's conference . Why do I say that ?
Let me show you why I say that . So this right here , okay . Why do I say that ? Let me show you why I say that . So this right here , okay . Now this is from a channel Ruslan KD . Kd stands for King's Dream . He's an Armenian guy raised in America from a young age , turned famous YouTuber , christian rapper . So you can see already .
I have not even started the video . Look at this . What is he doing ? Homeboy is taking off his shirt . And what is that behind him ? That , my friends , is what we call a stripper pole . Why in the world is a dude and apparently this guy is like an ex-stripper .
He actually used to be a stripper why in the world is he stripping and getting on a pole at a men's conference ? I don't have a good answer . So let's see what Ruslan has to say about it .
A Christian men's conference allowed a horrifying and cringe performance that led to this celebrity pastor calling them out at the conference .
Now this is one of the most interesting things I have seen happen at the same conference , and there's multiple important characters in this conversation that we're going to have to go over and a twist that no one is talking about or saw coming . So make sure you watch till the end of this video for all the details .
Now , the pastor that did the call out is no other than Pastor Mark Driscoll . No stranger to controversy , he's gone viral multiple times for having W take after W take in the last several months , even garnering the attention of Ben Shapiro reacting to one of his videos
¶ Men's Conference Controversy and Charismatic Beliefs
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Young men are over mothered under father .
There's some of the stuff he says . He has some very good points . He is sound in the things that he says and he does not back down , just like the , the bishop we looked at a minute ago all the father said amen .
When the boy is little , does he need his mother ? Yes , so mother's in the first position , father's in the second position . When the boy gets older , needs his father controversial more than his mother , absolutely true , by the way , that doesn't kick in at like 20 .
That kicks in for little boys at like five , but his appearance as a guest keynote speaker at james and there goes to the point I was making at the beginning of the live stream . The enemy is after . He is trying to dissect and dismantle our homes . He's , and the way he does that is he gets the fathers out of the house .
Where there's no father , there's no man influence and it crumbles every single time . It's not good for the children .
James River's men's conference did not go as expected .
Thank you .
Now , as I stated earlier , this all happened at James River Church's men's conference , which didn't surprise me at all . After all , james River Church is responsible for greatest hits like having Bill Johnson at their church immediately after their Physics of Heaven book got exposed , for having all sorts of New Age stuff in it and also bringing you the .
But they did take it down of new age stuff in it and also bringing you the , but they did take it down . So the physics of heaven , a book , not I don't think it's written by bill johnson , not either . That's from bethel church , bethel music . If you probably we were you use some of their music too . Not all the theology is sound .
Some of it's a little out there . But they retracted that it was in their bookstore in their church and they took it out . That's a whole nother video . But they did back down and they they retracted that it was in their bookstore in their church and they took it out . That's a whole nother video .
But they did back down and they said that they're no longer a part of that , so that's a good thing , that's a positive . Amazingshowmethetoescom where they alleged that a woman had her toes miraculously grown back , said they had proof and then refused to provide that proof to the public .
As the ladies prayed for Chrissy over the next 30 minutes , all three toes grew Within an hour . Nails began to grow on all the toes but they saw the bone come wrapping flesh , completely grow up and by morning the toenails everything had formed . She got three brand new toes . What I want to assure you of is it's real , it's real , it's real .
It's of is it's real , it's real , it's real , it's real , it's real . We can provide the kind of proof that would be necessary . People have asked if you've seen pictures of the toes .
I have now this is . So this guy right here I'm not sure who he is , but this is the the issue , that cessationist , which is that there are people that believe that the gifts of the Spirit , the miracles , the speaking in tongues , things like that was to validate the New Testament .
As the disciples and the others were going and spreading the gospel , that was to validate that they were telling the truth , that god was saying yep , that's my stamp of approval . Here's a miracle type deal . Okay , continuationist , which is what I am some would call charismatic . We still believe in speaking the tongue , speaking in tongues .
We believe in the miracles . You know , it's re first corinthians okay , paul described , and paul's not writing to the jews , he's not writing to the Jews , he's not writing to the disciples , he's writing to the Gentiles . That had nothing to do with the upper room experience . So in Acts there's an upper room experience . The Holy Spirit came down .
This is what Jesus promised out of His own mouth . He said I have to go so that he can come . So this also gives us the Trinity .
You have God , the Father , god the Son , god the Holy Spirit , and so there's this synergy with all of them and apparently there would be too much power on the earth if Jesus stayed , but he went to the right hand of the Father . The Spirit came down , an outpouring , a ground zero , if you will , in Acts 2 .
And a powerful moment , the initial downpouring and outpouring . And so then , miracles , signs and wonders in a new way , the things that Jesus did all of a sudden . Now the regular , average , everyday believer could do it , because the Holy Spirit gives that power .
That anointing that atonement gives that power , that anointing that atonement , whatever you want to say that . Uh , to wrap up , the definition of god is still god , his spirit is still the spirit , and so , that being said , it's guys like these that feel that they have to either . Okay , so here's probably what happened . Speculation , 100% .
This is probably what happened . They probably , in their charismatic movement with miracles and things like that , probably hit a dry spell . Something maybe cool or crazy , maybe did happen , but they felt they needed to church it up . They needed to exaggerate a little bit , to manipulate God , to do more miracles , to get people having faith .
Because , I mean , james tells us everybody lay hands on people , not a pastor , not deacons , not board members , not the elder , or it does say the elders , but anybody can lay hands on the sick and they will recover . So it's very possible that in their mind , they're thinking okay , we have seen a lack of laying hands , a lack of faith .
Maybe , if we say something or make this more than what it was , it's possible that a miracle did happen , that something , a miracle did happen . But it's also possible that something happened and they kept beefing it up to bring more faith , getting people more emotional about things .
And this is the danger of extreme charismatics is that it takes , it takes away the , the authenticity of God and the Spirit , and it makes it into almost a mockery and a show , instead of it just being God , being God , and so that's the danger of this .
So I've seen the picture A few moments later . People are saying well , if it's genuine , why aren't you doing anything with it to publicize it ? I'm less interested in proving to people what I know God did than I am in protecting sheep who are vulnerable .
See , there's some sort of like out , an excuse like oh man , I just you know , I lost it . The dog ate my homework . That's what it sounds , what it is there's , I don't know , but that's what it sounds .
As far as I know know , they still have not provided the proof as well as what they highlighted at last year's conference , featuring the very patriotic bad take .
But this new controversy has escalated to a whole new , you see how he bleeped himself out , because that church where that guy was just at it was a curse word in the church stratosphere , as it involves a former male stripper .
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¶ Controversy at Men's Conference
Now let's get into the video . So before we get into Mark Driscoll's call out in front of thousands of people in the middle of his talk , let's first look at what exactly he was disturbed by . Okay , so this is Alex Magala . He was on America's Got Talent and they decided to have him as an opening act , which again't surprising .
Remember last year they had tanks . They also had monster trucks before , so he's doing some like calisthenic type of moves here on what and what he's doing .
This is why he has abs , because no regular person can do anything like that .
That's weird , appears to be a stripper pole , and then he goes for the swords . He swallows a sword , pause and okay . And then he swallows a sword and climbs to the very top of this pole . That was the opening act . Now again , remember they ? The other opening act for this was this the other opening act was a monster truck . I'm not kidding .
Now , if you're like me , you may be asking why is there a shirtless male stripper on a pole swallowing swords ? A men's conference , a Christian men's conference ? Well , to be fair , they didn't hire a male stripper . They hired one of the world's best sword-swallowing circus acts , if you will . Alex Magala was on America's Got Talent .
This is an act that he does and , from my understanding , alex is a professing Christian . He's plugged into a local church , I believe , in LA , and I don't necessarily put this on him . I think alex was just there to provide entertainment , but it appears that alex does come from the night life industry of sorts , if you know what I'm talking about .
And the deeper question is who in their right mind would think that men , especially young men , would want to see a shirtless pole performing sword swallowing opening act at a men's conference ? Let's be honest .
Some woman ordered this up . It was , though they had somebody in charge of doing all the scheduling , and it was a woman .
And here we are so clearly he's not completely removed from the male stripping scene , but are so clearly he's not completely removed from the male stripping scene , but that is not what he's currently doing . That is not who they brought out . But who they brought out just doesn't seem like .
It struck a chord with the audience there , which is another L at the feet of James River Church , so it was not shocking that later , when Mark Driscoll took the stage , he had this to say about the opening act this is what he said .
The reason I'm hoarse is I have been praying for you and my heart is very burdened for you and I want to be very careful with this and it's not what I want to say . But the Jezebel spirit has already been here . The Jezebel spirit opened our event . This is a rebuke and a correction of no one . This is an observation .
Before the word of God was open , there was a platform . It was a high place . On it was a pole , an asherah the same thing that's used in a strip club for women who have the Chesapelle spirit .
Men have strip clubs too , which I'm guessing he doesn't know that because he's never been to a male strip club , but I'm assuming right , I don't have to ask my mom about that .
What is that ?
Mike , strip thing Like Mike .
I'll have to ask my mom To seduce men thing like mike , if that's my mom . In front of that was a man who ripped his shirt off like a woman does in front of a pole at a strip club .
Men do it too . He's not doing very good , is all I'm saying , like his what he . Maybe he didn't think long enough that man then ascended .
See , our god is not arrogant , he doesn't us , and our god is humble , he descends . And then he swallowed a sword and jesus cried okay , pastor john , I'll receive that , thank you that's the pastor telling him you're out of line , mark .
Talk about an awkward moment like I can't even . I'm a pastor , for sure , I'm the lead pastor , like that . I'm the guy and I would . I don't know if I would be able to now if he was like going crazy , but to me that didn't seem so crazy , but he was putting it on . I don't know if I could call somebody out like that in the middle of them talking .
I don't know , that'd just be very weird . Of course I wouldn't get a shirtless guy on stage either doing pole stuff .
You're out of line . You're done , okay . Now watch what happens after he gets rebuked and walks off the stage . Listen to the audience here .
So they're booing the pastor stage get off the stage . They paid to see Mark Driscoll . They didn't pay to see this dude .
Matthew 18 . Anyways , it wasn't . It was a public display . It wasn't something done anyways . So what do you think ? Do you think that , first of all , what happened was out of line , like the whole ? And was he stripping on a pole ? No , like , absolutely not . Do you think mark driscoll was accurate in his assessment of what happened ?
I mean , he was using a lot of biblical terminology that , to me , had nothing to do . Like God doesn't ascend , he descends what I don't know . Maybe that's just me , but that just seems a little like comparing something biblical to something that . Was it wise for them to have that there ? They had a monster truck . Did he have to take his shirt off ?
No , that should have been set up beforehand . Hey , we're not gay here . Keep your shirt on , or whatever . I don't know .
If your brother offends , you go to him privately . I talked to Mark for a half hour . There was not one word of that he's out of line If you want to say it , he can say it to me . You may not agree with me , you may not agree with him , but we are brothers in Christ and there's a right way to handle this .
So that's the James River Church pastor . Show me the toes guy , that guy .
So it's important to note that multiple things can be true here , and the most shocking part about the story that no one is talking about I'm going to tell you here in a moment , but first let me just say this the response of that audience in support of Mark Driscoll and against this pastor shows me that there is a rising up of men that are tired of the
superficial . Let's just entertain you and have monster trucks and fireworks and explosions and sword swallowers at these types of conferences , that there's men here that are hungry for something , for more .
Yeah , if you want all the explosions and stuff like that , like read your Bible while you're watching Transformers or something Like a Michael Bay movie , if you want that and he's making a good point here , I'll let him finish in just a second .
We have become not all churches , but the larger churches have become places of entertainment instead of Christ , instead of the unadulterated word of God , and this is what it produces . You have men's conferences where you have a chance to really pour into . Now , I'm sure they were going to really get some word and stuff like that .
Like , I understand wanting to be entertained and stuff , but it's like where do you draw the line between trying to draw a crowd by things , by events or by the Spirit ?
There's a big difference , I feel , and I think in the church culture we've become so disconnected of what that looks like it's hard for us to wrap our heads around not , or it's hard to not gravitate towards wanting to entertain , wanting to have programs , like my church is a church of probably 35 and up . There's very little like 20s .
Okay , I've had people come to my church that are in that I was gonna say price range in that age group of 20s and they like the church , but they don't see people that are their age . Now what's the disconnect ?
The only way that people will start coming , that people will be there that is in that age group , is if the people that come there in that age group stay for a while and see how it is . Like that's how it is . I mean , you can't just just because you don't see people your age .
To me , that's the perfect spot to find the most wisdom is around a bunch of people that are older than me . I used to hang around , I still do . All the pastors in my district or the they .
They ain't no spring chicken anyway , let let's go on and are sick of the mockery that oftentimes is displayed in some of these entertainment-infused environments regarding our evangelical Protestant circles . I mean , this is partially the reason why we are seeing so many people leave Protestant circles and become Catholics and Orthodox .
It's because they're honestly tired of the nonstop entertainment in terms of how some of this goes down . Not all churches , not all Protestant churches , not all evangelicals , but some of the bigger ones definitely have this sort of stuff and it's cringe . Now there are multiple things that can be true at once .
Shirtless , sword-swallowing circus acts probably not the best idea at a men's conference .
Also at the same time— I'm telling you , a woman probably scheduled that Also at the same time .
Driscoll rightfully called out some of the shenanigans that I think too many people are tired of seeing these sorts of events . However , if Driscoll did have a 30-minute conversation with the pastor of this church , as cringy as he is , probably should have said something to him before he went up to say that .
Now I'll chalk it up to the reality that perhaps Driscoll was sleep-deprived . He was tired . He said he had been up since 1 am . His voice was hoarse . He had been praying for these people .
So that's a good thing and I said it a minute ago . A little bit Like if I have somebody on my stage at my church , I tell them the parameters of how they are to act .
For instance , someone asked me if a I think a governor or somebody in politics could come and speak to our people and I said yes , but I know they're a conservative , a Republican , I said but if they at any moment say and demonize a Democrat or call left or whatever , and they're not just talking about issues , they're not explaining how to vote , they're not
giving us good knowledge and information of the problems and things we need to overcome , things we need to vote on , but if they demonize a certain sect of people and cause division in the church , I will walk up there and take the mic out of their hand and his little thing will be over .
They haven't got with me yet , which is fine , but there needs to be parameters to protect from this very thing right here , so that there's no confusion in the church , there's no issues , there's no division , there's a clear definition of who we are as believers in this body , in this church , and we are in unity , and that should be for every church .
I would just chalk it up to hey . Driscoll was tired . Perhaps he didn't count the cost or calculate what he was going to say came out in the moment .
So let's go on to this next part and then
¶ Apology and Unity in Ministries
Matthew 8 .
So , after all this happened , pastor Mark Driscoll and Pastor John Lindell , who just kicked him off stage , actually go back on the stage together .
Yeah , listen to this and end up having this exchange where Driscoll apologized to him Now the reason he had to do this and think about this . This is wise on that dude's part .
I have a feeling it would not have been a very nice rest of the conference or nobody would have come back , if he would not have had Driscoll come out and talk and do what they're doing right here and put some dialogue on it . It probably would have been . It might have been another stabbing , I don't know .
And I talked . We went outside where we could be alone and we could talk , and we've reaffirmed our friendship . Mark , I want you to know you're a gift to the kingdom . You're a gift to James River . You've been a gift to Debbie and I . You've helped us in things .
You've been kind to my family and to my sons and I love you and I told Mark and I love you and please everybody here , don't leave . He says I'll do whatever you want . I said , well , if you're willing and we could come in and talk . I'm gonna let him talk in a moment . If you're willing , I want you to speak again .
I want to find out about elijah .
This is fairly grainy footage . It's the best we can get . I don't know if they're going to put out something from the actual conference . Here is footage of driscoll's response to what pastor john said to him I believe , what I should have done , since I had another session .
I was thinking about it . It wasn't in my notes . I didn't intend to go there . I was up late praying for the men . I just can't see it , and I should have , between sessions , talked to you rather than just verbal processing on the stage and as the Father .
Which is true . That's a fair point . Okay , this is what I tell my leaders in my church if you have an issue , or I have a couple of guys that they are my go-to guys , that that minister to the people , they they preach when I need somebody to fill in , they do a great job . Uh , they know and I know .
If there's an issue in the church , if there's some that have asked how come you haven't asked me , and I told them because you are not in a place where you won't let your issues come out of your message . It's very hard to do , but you're supposed to bring a word from the Lord , not your issues with things .
And so when you're filling somebody else's pulpit and you're in a spotlight in someone else's place and you don't agree with something , you shouldn't use the stage for a place to hash it out . That is not wise , that is not unity , it actually causes division .
So , even though Mark Driscoll did not like what was done and didn't agree with it , he should not have without talking to the pastor there in respect , theology aside , I mean obviously he's there , they know each other , they've been friends or something , because he's at the conference . He's doing it with this guy . He should have taken the time .
This is what's important . As being believers , this is what's important as being believers , we should want to go out of our way for each other to not embarrass each other , to not belittle each other , but to make sure to fight for unity in the body , Because it's so easy to not have that unity .
You could have given me a thumbs up or down , and I need to honor that as a spiritual authority know what to do with that .
All right , I am someone that's been blessed by Mark Driscoll's ministry in the past . I've met Pastor Mark Driscoll before . He's been nothing but gracious and encouraging to me , keeping up with some of his stuff . Now I've met Pastor Mark Driscoll before . He's been nothing but gracious and encouraging to me , keeping up with some of his stuff .
Now I love his stuff . We've interacted a little bit on social media recently . I don't know if he should have apologized , granted , I don't know if he should have ever been there to begin with .
I don't know if he's not aware of some of the things surrounding Pastor John and James River Church and some of the shenanigans that have been coming out there for years .
He's probably aware of it . I mean , especially if this guy just came out and said they've been in blessing and friends and blah . I mean they're aware you can do conferences with people that maybe you don't agree with all of the theology . It's okay , like if I were to go and speak at Bethel Church and gave a word from the Lord and preached a message .
That does not say that I agree with all their things that they have at their church , just like because we sing some of their worship stuff that's good music , it's biblically sound doesn't mean that we adhere and preach and reproduce their theology . It's a baby in bathwater situation . You can't stop and just say , okay , fine , that's like me .
I don't drink , I will not drink . I can't handle drinking because I don't stop and , being a minister , the Bible says for me not to partake . That's a personal conviction and that's a biblical text that I adhere to . That keeps me sober-minded . Okay , I can always be sober-minded if I'm never drunk . That's a fact . Drinking is right , especially right for me .
I don't not go to restaurants that have bars , like a lot of mexican restaurants around here in east texas . They they have a bar or they they serve beer . If I were to stick to that , I wouldn't be able to go anywhere . Almost like taco bell . Even the theaters theaters uh , saw a couple of them that they they serve alcohol .
¶ Navigating Personal Beliefs and Hypocrisy
So we we pick and choose what we want to do , how we want to believe , who we want to let slide , who we don't . And we have to be careful with this , because when we start going down that slippery slope we can become hypocrites or we can just stand for nothing and pretend like we're standing for everything . I mean , it's really kind of what it is .
So what do you think ? Do you think Mark Driscoll overstepped ? Do you think that maybe he shouldn't have been there in the first place ? I mean , watch some of the clips of him , that pastor at that church , some of the stuff that he would do . Whether he churched it up , whether he manipulated , whether he lied , I don't honestly know .
I don't know the story , but I do know sometimes extreme charismatics can just they make it sound so good and it was nothing close , and what this does is then it makes it where , when something does happen , people won't believe it and that damages the validity of God's power to those that do not believe .
And so we have to be careful on how we do things , how we go about everything that we do . We need to be on guard . Do things on purpose . You should not live a haphazard , shoot-from-the-hip Christian life . You should be living your life for Christ on purpose , every single day . You should be reading your Bible , if you're a believer , every single day . Why ?
Because I guarantee you there's somebody out there who does not believe that probably reads it more than you . So , anyways , that was free . So what do you think ? Mark Driscoll ? Should he ? Should he not ? When he came back on stage , should he have apologized ? My personal opinion yes , he's at someone else's conference .
To me , he let a kind of not necessarily a personal conviction , but an opinion on something . The things that he said when he was addressing the people and he used the Bible to talk about it . Just , it didn't even add , it didn't even make sense to me . So personally , I don't think it was . It was just weird . So I don't know .
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