Miami GP Review: Hill and Montoya’s Take

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Formula One. Hello and welcome to your Checkered Flag podcast review of the Miami Grand Prix. My name's Harry Benjamin, and I brought in the big guns for this one alongside me, his 1996 F1 World Champion. Damon Hill and seven-time Grand Prix winner, two-time Indy 500 winner, Juan Pablo Montoya. What a lineup, guys. Welcome. Thanks for coming.

I'm impressed by the indie five hundred. It's cool, yeah.

Yeah, the Indie was honestly the first one was really funny because I really didn't want to do it. I was forced to do it.

I can understand not wanting to do it. It's scary.

No, no, no, no, no. I didn't I was not into it. You don't wanted it. No, because remember at the time the the championships were split. Yeah. So we're I was defending the car championship. Yeah. And the car was breaking down every week.

My decision to do it though. We didn't twice.

I could leave and happily just watch you two chat about that and your careers.

I have a I have a story and one more on the indie thing'cause I know we're here to talk about Miami. While we've got Fine Pablo here. My dad said'cause he won the i uh he was given a briefing beforehand, they said, uh AJ Foyt came out and said, Nobody wins indie first time out, okay? So my dad won it first time out.

I I was the next guy after you died.

Right, so there you go. Well done. Fantastic. And uh my dad would appreciate that. But he said the next best thing he ever did was he got them to put doors on the toilets. Because apparently up until then you had to go to the men's room and there were no to doors. No words. So he had a word with her. And apparently they then after that had doors on the toilets. A wise that's the thing that he was really proud of.

Really didn't anticipate this as the start of the podcast. Uh we'll roll with it though, but we are here to talk about Miami guys. So I'm gonna steer this back. Um and we've got to talk about Kimi Antonelli. I mean, what a phenomenal weekend. Damon, you said on the coverage, stupendous.

Yeah, I think that's fair enough. I mean you know he has he's found something in himself. Something obviously the talent was there, that's why Toto and Mercedes have invested in him. Uh but we did see a bit of a wild uh kid, you know, coming into Formula One when he went to Monza and he crashed and all these things, you know. Uh and he struggled a little a little bit last year.

I think bono is a big part of it.

Yeah, yeah.

I think Bono is one so much with Lewis and I think he's like moulding Kimmy and working with Kimmy and just bits and pieces. What what Kimmy has is really good is the aggression level. He's determined if you look at him in qualifying the amount of track he was using compared with everybody else, like he was using the whole track. For me it was kinda surprised when you look at George and George has the videos, the data and everything and he can see where Kim is going and everything.

On Antonelli though, I mean it was a phenomenal victory and actually'cause what we've seen after this five week gap, right, that we've had is The with the after the sprint we thought, oh we've got a change in the pecking order slightly. Mercedes lost ground here. But when you look back now, the one consistent man has actually been Kimi Antonelli in that Mercedes.

Who Kimmy Kimmy Kimmy has. No, the safety car thing and George got a little bit on the wrong end of the stick there, but

But yes, China thousand percent George shouldn't want. You go to Japan, I think Kimi had a little bit of upper hand, they were really close together. and Kimi got a better break. The question is, if Kimi would have been the other way around, I think Kimi would have made it through those guys. I don't think Kimi would have been stuck where George was.

Juan Pablo you were talking before we started the podcast, you were talking a little bit about the mindset factor because now George, whatever whether it's luck or not. He is now on the back foot, isn't he? And Kimmy's got a ball rolling, he's got the momentum, he's got the confidence.

Everybody everybody's talking about like I did the TV with the front TV today and they were going, No, no, no. You know, George knows this is not a great place for him, Canada is the best place for him. If I'm Kimmy, I'm going out for blood. Oh my god, if I'm going out for blood. The way, for example, for me, when I had Ralph as a teammate, I knew how much going well in Germany meant for him. So if Fuck we beat him in Germany, it if even it was for a thousandth of a second, he was gold, baby.

Yeah, I mean it's the mind, isn't it? It's the fact that you kind of get let's say you go to your home Grand Prix and the other guy wins, I actually I did actually get pole position, I think it was or I won the French Grand Prix and and Uh Alan Prost was a I mean you know what the effect is of that, don't you? Yeah.

money. It's just so good. Yeah. Honestly, it's like'cause you know you can see how you just taking that little knife and going Yeah.

No, I

No, I am not. No, no, no, no. I'm I I would wake up and figure out how I could beat the hell out of everybody because you're you're not

Selfish.

You gotta be selfish. You know, for me it's shocking. You look at them, they all go play paddle together and they're really good friends and go for dinner together.

There's a lot of pressure to be nice guys, isn't there now? Don't you think? I mean do you think that's natural?

But that's why Max is good, because Max doesn't play along. He's like,

Friends with like Bortiletta and stuff, they sort of sim race and all that.

think if Bortoleto was competitive on a competitive car, h the friendship would still be there.

Yeah.

So you're gonna tell me when when Max gets to Bortoletto's gonna go, I'm not gonna dive home and put you in the wall like I do everybody else? Come on.

No. Okay. I will I wanna get more on the on the money.

Kimmy, congratulations, a third win on the bounce. Um just explain your emotions as you cross the finishing line.

Yeah, I was uh super happy. Uh pretty pretty tired um pretty knackered to be fair at the moment but uh really incredible result. Uh you know, massive thanks to the team. Uh you know, that is doing a tremendous job and uh also to the strategy today and yeah I'm gonna enjoy it uh tonight and then gonna go back go back to work because uh yeah we just wanna keep keep the momentum going.

I mean, the momentum is amazing and now a 20-point lead, if I might, I might be slightly wrong, but in the championship when I last looked. It's gotta be some comfort, isn't it, after four rounds to be leading the World Championship by a margin that's quite significant.

Yeah, but I'm not thinking about championship to be fair. I'm just thinking one race at a time, trying to maximize the result. Uh I think this weekend was a little bit more difficult than uh than usual. Um but uh we we were able to maximize everything so I'm very happy with that and uh yeah just we gotta keep keep pushing.

Don't party too hard tonight

I I I cannot. We're in the US.

Kimmy Antonelli then, can he hack a a full world championship charge? Is it way too early to say that? Given what you said about luck and everything, but you've got Bono around him. With this momentum now, three poles on the trot, three wins on the trot, can he hack it?

So the question is can Mercedes keep the development as well? We're we're assuming that Mercedes is gonna be the best car all year. We're assuming what they're bringing to to Canada is gonna make the a huge leap and make the put them ahead of McLaren. One of the harder things nowadays is bringing developments and making sure they work the right way. That is what you know I mean, what will make or break the teams here. Because

say from the start of the season where everyone thought that Mercedes had something they were hiding and then we went to Melbourne and suddenly they've really unleashed what they had. You have to say they were feeling like this is gonna be a walkov. season. So, you know, the fact that McLaren have caught up so quickly here in Miami, they clearly have put some work in and they've they won the sport.

They have more coming to to Canada.

The same power unit, they've obviously learned that they're not getting do you remember the noises they were making about, hey, wait a minute, we're customers and you're not telling us the whole story, what's going on? So I think they they've worked out

I don't think they got it, but I think they figured it out.

Yeah.

I think they w they said, Look, but you have it there, you gotta write your own.

to their credit, which means that they are for a formidable team perhaps even better given that they don't have the inside that Mercedes have into their own power unit and th that so that's quite an impressive performance by McLaren this weekend.

So so with this in mind then, with this development battle, and you're saying this sort of intra teammate battle, Russell versus Antonelli, is this where Russell can start to try and maybe fight back a little bit in swaying the development side of things to maybe suit his style more? Because Three on the trot he's been beaten, luck or not, that's gotta have a bit of effect at some point.

I think Mercedes is very neutral. It's more neutral than any other team in development. They just bring whatever makes the car faster and and they've tried to figure out who can drive it. I I think what George really needs to do is figure out how to match Kimi because if he starts matching Kimi, Kimi will try to step even further to keep beating him and I think mistakes can come.

I think the the George from last year, I I think he's gone missing a little bit. You know, I think that that he had you're right, a a little bit of bad luck um and you know, i it put him on the back foot.

Sorry, but the badlock he takes it personal. It's like if if I was Kimi and I look at how George walked out of the scales in China with a helmet on and uh Drama, I'm going, yes, I got it. Yes.

So you're saying it's a personality thing with George, he's got the ability but he needs his mindset.

Really? Yes. Okay. I think in in in Kimmy's very good at hustling the hell out of the car. But George can put that ultimate lap and be very clean. Mm. But the problem is I think he's more concerned about all the noise with Kimmy. Yeah. And I don't know, maybe by just getting a one year deal. Yeah. His mindset is in the wrong place. Because when they give you a one-year deal, they're telling you we're gonna extend you, but we're not sure about you.

Well George Russell finished off the podium, but I think it's worth hearing what he had to say after the race.

George, obviously Canada's up next up a track but i is probably more preferable to this one, but are you slightly worried about that momentum that Kimmy now has taken, three w wins on the drop?

enough experience in the sport to know that things change very, very quickly and You know, I've had ra seasons with Lewis that I've had a couple of really bad races and then you come back the next next race and you're right back in the groove again. And that's just Formula One. That's you go to all these different races, all these different countries, dealing with different conditions. And as I said, I'm just looking forward to getting back into some more normal. Normal tracks.

Do you think the team can help you or is it just a battle between your you know, getting it right on the

We clearly need to work together because um This has always been a weak track for me, but this year it's been substantially weaker than than it's ever been. You know, I I was actually on a podium here last year so

Amen.

I think Yeah, there there's some good understanding by the end of the race. I made some really big changes just I was almost using it as a test session at the end of that just to try and learn some things myself and it made a bigger improvement than I thought. So let let's see.

So what does George Russell need to do then? How does he how does he balance But does he mean to be as an app coach? Can you offer those services?

Um he does need somebody from outside the team to to really guide him in in playing the mind games.

I think this whole business with the contract, you remember it dragged on and Toto was kinda like playing with him a little bit. And you wanna go, come on, you know, excuse me, but I am

Yeah.

The case of him not being the favourite child anymore, because he was sort of being being groomed at Williams to replace Botas, got the gig and then the t the competitive wasn't there. You know what's brought and now Antonelli's here.

Yeah, the but the reality of it is You have Max Verstappen, the little you know diamond in this, you know, in the sky that everybody wants. And and you know when you have that pretty girl that you n you never thought the girl would look at you and the girl is going. Winking at you and you go

No idea what you're talking about.

I I have this but it's like what do I do now? And I and I think that's the problem. And and George knows that. And and George and it's difficult because he's in a position that He knows he ha the only way he guarantees al uh a commitment from Mercedes is beating Kimi. And and maybe at the end of the year The seat's still his. And I think that there's a high probability that that the seat is gonna be his because I don't see Max in a Mercedes environment.

So one minute, one one problem then. If Max doesn't go to Mercedes and George has to go somewhere else.

Yeah, George wouldn't have to go.

Well let's say then Kimmy wins. The championship. He I mean, don't forget there's a threat from McLaren. But but if George wins then what does that say about Kimi and Toto's investment in Kimi?

It's a long-term investment. It's a good investment. The kid is winning races. And and this is year two of the kid. So you don't wanna like, first of all for pride you're gonna say is the right choice'cause it's your little side project.

Yeah, but it's it's a little bit of loss of face for Toto if he doesn't deliver because obviously the great driver is deliver straight off.

Yeah, but has he not or last year he was losing face, but now surely he's been vindicated.

Yeah, but the problem with with

Four races in

Yes, exactly. Young guys and I was one of them, you're like a you know, like a firework. It's like great, oh and to maintain Kimi The weekend that Kimi doesn't it doesn't go his way, how is he gonna come back from that? And he's gonna have a bad weekend.

This is gonna be so fun to monitor throughout the course of the season, I think. It's so interesting. Um one thing I just wanna a quick sidebar, um the rain that we were promised never came, but it I can hear it now and it is absolutely hammering it down. You're a Miami local. What happened today? Where was the weather?

Yeah.

It was about five miles north.

It missed her.

Yes. And then he went away and he was supposed to come. I it was kinda funny because I have a little raider and I lived here for fifteen years so you kinda learn to read it. And they're going raining you know, ten laps and I'm looking at it, No, there's no rain, rain is going the wrong way.

I didn't see any rain on my I had an app as well, but I mean anyway, so we kept on hearing these messages rain in five minutes, we're going mm anyway. I thought the race was good even without the rain. Obviously we know rain spices it up, but I think we saw something with the dry conditions to enable us to to gauge where things were. And I and I

What do you think of the rules, the changes?

Uh of the yeah, it's confusing a little bit because we don't know when they're deploying, you know, boost and stuff. Suddenly you see an overtake. You you're used to watching racing where a guy closes down, closes down, he has a little look, and then he gets past and then he's off. But you see the pass and then he seems to be pulling away and then suddenly he's overtaken again. And you're kind of going, How did that happen?

I like that. That's the thing. For me the DRS was such a BS. It's

It was very obvious with me.

But is that not what lots of people have been making an argument for about these new regulations?

That's just that's my argument. Yeah. How are you gonna argue You know what I mean? That oh you have f you know, f fake hair and now you do something else and now it looks fake but the other stuff didn't look fake. I mean it's the same thing.

You lost me now. What's the fake hair about?

No, no, just generally I was making um some but it's like in in our time to overtake how hard it was. Yeah. It was like and people you know I mean and

If you c if you catch someone in the in in the previous days before even DRS, if you caught someone and you raced against them, it was very unlikely.

Well, yeah.

Well w you were in the in the era when they kind of like were flat out the whole time and yeah, it was almost impossible.

It was you people say, Oh your time was so good. I said, Watch a race, it's so boring.

Really?

Yeah, it's like a some it's like a test short test session.

Finish where they started in a way.

Do you think there's a lot of looking back with rose tinted glasses going on right now and the good old days and actually what we saw today, I personally quite enjoyed it. We called the race together and I think normally you get a lull in proceedings, but I never felt like we really got that. It was entertaining all the way to the final lap.

It was. But the uh the point I'm trying to make is that in the old days if you got a pass, that was it, it was done. But now you g see a pass and then suddenly the guy gets him back on the next lap. And that's very new and I think it's good. I think it's actually quite good.

I agree. I think it's really good because if you see the guy's gonna pass you, you can get into recharge mode earlier. And then you have a little bit more extra energy for the next trade and and get you know, you can fight your way. You're not with the DRS I always felt like you were you're a shitting duck there. Like the guy

So what do you make then of of all of Max Verstappen's chat about his genuine sort of hatred for these regulations and it's driving him to quit? Or do you think now that the Red Bull's actually made a bit of a jump in performance that might change?

So so there's two things there. One, what he really feels, and two is what the team is probably asking him to say. Because the politics of the sport are really important. And the message the drivers come across and ask for, a lot of them are guided and I can tell you because I I was part of that, they tell you we really need to push for this because this is gonna really help.

But you know, i the history of the sport I think that the drivers have always been rebels in a way. They should you know, that's why it was interesting because you had people like Nicky Louder and James Hunter, people like that. They were not people you c could contain in a kind of normal situation. They'd say stuff that was

Yeah, but the message was short lived because you didn't have social media, you didn't have the influencers, you didn't have all this. Because this is a promise. You know, the Max just up and says that you know, gets out of the race where he struggled all day and he's miserable and says, I hate these cars.

I think influence is about when it's not.

If two thousand three MagniCore, if they would have had the radio thing, you would've had

Yeah.

Yeah, they uh that's something that's changed a bit. So, you know, a lot of conversations were private. You don't want to hear what we used to say on the radio bar. But the thing is I you know, the pol the politics of the sport and what we say about it

the truth. When Max was winning on the old Rex and everybody was breaking their back and complaining about their backs bottoming It was was it rough that it was bottoming? Yes. Was it gonna break their backs? No. But if they could force the cars to run higher, it would take performance out of the Red Bull. And equal the cars. So oh my buck and I mean

You're suggesting they were faking the back inking thing.

Oh my God.

God.

little bit and we can't

We can't trust these racing drivers, can it?

So there's two.

Totally untrustworthy.

In my time could you see when you were going into turn one and Barcelona from the bottom? You couldn't even see back then. And if you could see, you're gonna be six cents slower. Like honestly, we did one test once, we raced the car so it wouldn't be dragging the hell out. We gained twelve K's on the straight and we went six and slower. Wow. As soon as we lowered the gun. It was so bad the bottoming that my bottom would get hot like out like

I think we have to change the subject now.

شكرا للمشاهدة The other subject

We got scars. Anyway.

Yeah, I don't want to scare you. Now the other side of this is you gotta respect the sport. For me, what the drivers were doing, I'm okay you not liking the regul regulations. But the way you were speaking about what you're living off and your own sport, you should be There should be consequences for that. And and for me that was and I said it before, and it was you know I mean it's complete and people think

I mean somewhat like findings max for saying something negative, you think.

Fuck him.

Maybe.

Stop stop what ban him from a race? Wow.

Add add points add seven points to the license. Eight points to the license. That whatever you do after, you're gonna be parked. and I guarantee you all the message will be different. I'm not saying I'm not saying don't say that you don't like the regulations because if you don't like it you have completely right

But I think that's a good thing. I think p the dri I think the fans like the fact that the drivers are outspoken. I think this is the catch we've got is that actually There is a relationship between the fans and their driver and they like to hear them be outspoken.

And it's okay to be outspoken. I'm not saying don't be outspoken, but don't come a and call an F one car, a Mario. Because yeah you say, Oh, I feel like a boost and Holand, when the rear wing was opening and you were getting thirty Ks or twenty miles an hour, was that not

Fascinating. That is fascinating. Discuss. Yeah, let us know. Okay.

Making so many friends.

You really are. This is

Right.

Uh so we've covered off Mercedes. Russell finished fourth by the way, so off the podium. Uh the ma the podium was complete by the two McLaren drivers, Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri. Bit of a up and down weekend for McLaren's Damon,'cause they were so good in the sprint, dominant victory for Lando Norris. And he was there or thereabouts again. But actually he could have probably won the Grand Prix if weather had played its part potentially.

Juan Pablo's saying that the car was the quickest car, that so they would be feeling a little bit like they let one get away. I mean I think Lando's response was, We let that get away and maybe it was the pit stop.

But the the undercut was so powerful that when they saw George Pitting that you know as soon as you see the outlap of George being fast, you know Antonelli's coming. As soon as Kimmy is coming in, you need to come on with him. By pinning you a lap short or two laps shorter than your ideal strategy. Because a lot of times and I think

Well it didn't work out for Landon Norris to take victory, but he did get second place, so crucial points. Let's hear from the reigning world champion.

Honestly I don't feel like we maximized today, so I'm not as happy as I could be. Of course. I need to look at it on the other side and still uh know we did a very good job this weekend. We improved a lot of things. We have two cars on the podium and we have to be very proud of that. Um But we should have fought more for the win today. We shouldn't have let him undercut us and Yeah, that's a shame. We should have been more defensive. So it's uh it's a little bit little bit frustrating but

Four races done, how do you evaluate your own performance? Because we can look at the car and and see that, but your own self.

Um I'm v I'm very satisfied. Um Yeah, I'm very satisfied to be honest. I know from the outside, even when I look at it from the outside it's always like uh oh that doesn't look very good and that could have been better but This was my first weekend, I just didn't have any issues with the car and um the power unit worked as as it should and um I could

The Ferrari had really good short speed, like short run speed. Basically, I think their setup was way too aggressive. I think the way they're running the car is too aggressive and it's just putting too much energy in the back tires. and Miami's a really high deck place where the rears are very sensitive to temperature and And that was the end result. Um

The table's already taken a beating, man Pablo.

It's a cheap BBC tape. Can I just say that's why it makes that noise?

They did a good job. So I don't know. I think I think the Ferrari with the upgrade became is much quicker, but it's a little harder to drive. Uh Lewis, we couldn't really see Lewis' true pace in the race. I think Lewis today would have been a lot closer to Charles. But he got damaged with Colapinto and...

I forgot that.

Yeah, he did in the early stages. I agree that also worth saying Charles Leclerc twenty second time penalty applied post race, so that actually drops him.

What do you think of that?

Way down to eighth eighth place is what we got.

I mean I didn't see excessive track w whatever

No, he missed every corner because he couldn't drive it.

There's an argument there's to be made, right? He he had a a car that w couldn't make the corners'cause it was damaged.

Once once he lost the place and he he just booted it too much. He I think he was frustrated and angry and he basically

He was trying to you know you're trying to fight for that last position and he got to the I think what really got him was uh that last chicken. He didn't even back tough, he just went straight

Jake Hippy, what about what about Charles Le Clep?'Cause he's clearly a really talented driver and he's been stuck in this team that don't seem to be delivering for him. That's that

But that's so hard to leave. It's you're the golden boy in the golden team. It's like oh my god. The the crazy thing is when I was an F1 I looked at Ferrari and I never looked at it that way.

Why?

I don't know, I just...

Well an interesting.

Brother once came to me and said we would love to if you have a race for us and I said, No, thank you. I I like in hindsight I go, Oh my god, that was cra I remember I and I came to the Williams meeting uh uh j you know I mean after the race in Monza. And I s and told the g I told my engineer said, How was it? I said, Well, Ross Branner just said I should go to Ferrari and said, What do you said? I said, I know thank you And they all look at me like, Oh my god, you're crazy. Um I

And you don't regret that?

And also Ayrton didn't go there to Ferrari. You know, it's a tempting thing, isn't it? It's a it's a dream. But you know, uh very rarely

For me it wasn't it would never

In and of itself, it has to be quick it has to be a quick team.

Yes. The hard thing, and I think it's getting a little better, is the amount of politics that are going on. It's really hard. to to perform there when there's so many opinions and so many so many layers. You know what I mean? I think uh nowadays big companies have so many layers of opinions and sometimes simplify things makes a big difference.

Um look, uh I are we're gonna have to do some sort of part two at some stage'cause we've rapidly run out of time. Uh worth a mention on Red Bull as well, Max Vestapin picked up a five uh second grid penalty for that uh five second time penalty for that pit lane exit. crossing the line, which we didn't see in the broadcast. It's strange you didn't want to show us that. Have you seen it? Is it a pre slammed?

Yeah, he crossed it. Not much, but he crossed it.

Bizarre that we didn't see it on the broadcast, no?

Well anyway, yeah um they couldn't find it on the blooming in the FIA. It took forever, didn't they, to find the video. So anyway, it doesn't matter, he's been done and and it's a bit like speeding fine. You're at seventy one miles an hour, it's over the speed limit.

Right. Well either way, uh I thought a really interesting race in in Miami, entertaining, the rain didn't come, couple of standout drives up and down the field. Um, who stood out outside of the usual top contenders for you guys? Anyone in particular? For me, Franco Colapinto.

Colopinto you have to say he's had a great weekend, hasn't he?

Oh okay.

I haven't got my glasses on so I'll have to take your word for it.

your word for it. We're watching it. We'll we'll put it in the edit. It's right on the exit and the front left crosses over. it's a complete

Roll to roll.

No no w no part of any wheel has got to go over the

You cannot cross you four wheels on the right or the left.

So actually just before before we end sorry, I know

It's it's simple. If you have a cone there and you hit the cone you get a penalty. The cone would have been there.

Odd for Verstappen to to A have that spin on lap one and then make a mistake like that?

Under the safety car, excuse me. Under the safety car. For me, everybody were saying Max was unbelievable. he was you know, how he controlled his pin. I'm going, I think that was pure luck, but I I don't have anything against Max, excuse me, but I he raced hard and I appreciate the way he raced hard. But I think at the end of the race the way he was raising people when he was trying to defend position it was it was kind of you know, once the guy gets you

Yeah, he he does he does let people know that he's prepared to kind of fight that every inch, isn't it? And it you know, and it sometimes you do think you're wasting your energy. Yeah. It's not it's not smart.

I think Kimmy and Max will have a coming together this year sooner than later.

Yeah.

No, no, no, I'm serious.

Is it that bold?

No, but it's true.

But they get on so well now.

Yeah.

Everybody look at Charles look at yesterday Lou uh with Lewis. He moved Lewis out of the way aggressively. Char tried it with Charles, Charles didn't move and ended up spinning.

Album.

Alban but Album moved. There you go. Yeah. It probably got moved, but then Album could have gone to turn one and die bomb in the same way and drive.

Yeah, I think a lot of drivers could just

But once you react to the right.

You are responding in a way that you're seeing a guy and he you're going, You're not doing that to me, mate.

Exactly. You wanna play this game? Let's go and we'll bring the car back in pieces.

Well okay.

But that's... You need to... He will never do that again to you. You know what I had a reputation that I was completely crazy, but I tell people I wasn't that crazy because Every time I drove in, people knew I wasn't going to give you an inch.

Yeah.

You either get out of the way or we're gonna crash and I'm okay crashing.

And and that's that's the dangerous position.

Michael Andretti in Indy played that game with me and we both crashed and then I realized this guy doesn't move. So after that and he knew I wasn't moving, we gave each other room.

Yeah, to be fine. Firm but fair.

Uh look you mentioned Williams both in the points good for them. I also want to give Franco Colapinto, his flowers, and Weekend.

Yeah, yeah.

I think it's a Formula One driver, Juan Pablo, seventh place now, because Charles Leclerc gets demoted.

That was good, it was solid and he had damage as well in the car. Yeah. And I mean not only Colapinto did a good job, the whole pin they brought upgrades and that car looked really good.

Good. It did. Right, last thing, driver of the day, please, from both of you. Or we actually call it hero of the race. So who is it?

I think it's it's keeping it.

I was a Kimi fan all weekend. Um you know, I I really like Lando, I want Lando to win as well, but I was in the Kimi wagon all weekend.

Okay, I think it's three for Kimmy here behind the desk. Let us know who your uh driver of the day was. Look, um I I don't know how that was amazing. Uh thank you so much, my Pablo Montoya, David Hill. I need to lie down after that. Thank you so much for your company. We shall see you in a couple of weeks' time for the Canadian Grand Prix, live coverage of every second across BBC Radio 5 Live. This has been an IMG production for BBC Radio Five Live.

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So nice.

Sometimes sit on the fence.

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