Chinese GP Preview: Who would take sprint pole?

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No rest for the wicked. F1 is straight back into action this weekend for the Chinese Grand Prix or at the Shanghai International Circuits. And I've assembled uh a pretty all star team for this one. Formerly E Driver, Sam Birds and the BBC F1 correspondent Andrew Benson. Can I get a hello, thank you, and myself Harry Benjamin. Um, first race back with a five live gang, Sam. Did you did you win too well? That was my question to everybody in Austria. I'm roped back into another year with you.

Um no it's great to be back. Uh had a good winter. Partners uh were expecting a baby in May. Congratulations. Thank you very much. We like a a five life baby in the in the in the park. Absolutely. Uh we've got another one with the Rosanna Tennant, I think, on the way as well.

Well I think we're a way off there yet. Um right. That did not go where I thought the start of the show would go, but we'll carry on. Um everyone seems to love this as an actual circuit, Shanghai, bringing it back to the to the racing action. You've raced here quite a lot, you've been on the podium. It's quite a challenge.

Really, really big challenge, especially in a Formula One car. You've got front uh front graining to think about. Now these guys have got battery management to to think about as well, as well as just the general car balance. The the circuit was actually re tarmacked last year. Um so I think that there's quite a bit of grip out there. It would have died off a little bit in comparison to twenty twenty five, but um

Yeah, it's it's definitely a handful, especially in turn one. We've seen so many people having moments in turn one, also turn six. Locking up there and then the final corner. A lot of people running wide and having snaps of oversteer and sixteen. Yeah, it's a cool track. One that Lewis Hamilton uh thinks is one of one of the better ones on the calendar. Um but we have just had Sprint qualifying.

And it is the first sprint of the year. Um and Andrew, it's uh it's Mercedes on form and it continues once again in these early stages. George Russell on sprint pole, his first career sprint pole. Indeed. I didn't know that. That's good information, Harry. Um add that to your article. Go on. Shouldn't be that spray. Of course he's w he's won at a sprint weekend, hasn't he, before in Brazil back in twenty twenty two, was it? Sounds about right. Um

But uh yeah, I mean look at the moment he's gonna be winning everything, I'm afraid. Um although I say that, but the interestingly the margin is very similar between him and the uh the first non Mercedes. It's a little bit less in China than it was.

in uh sh in Australia a week ago. Different driver, uh we'll come onto that in a minute. But the key thing about Australia was that the race was much closer than qualifying and Ferrari messed up their strategy and I think in hindsight people believe, particularly Russell himself, that had they taken the virtual safety car in Australia with either LeClaire or Hamilton or ideally both, they would have challenged him for the win and they probably would have split the Mercedes on the podium.

So there's a qu in in that sense there's a in terms of th those people who are not Mercedes fans, but those are people who want open competition and uh objective watching and entertain entertaining races. That's promising and we can only hope that that carri that that does actually transpire this weekend.

Uh I mean Sam, you were involved uh just before the the domination of of Mercedes began back in twenty fourteen and you know, are we getting echoes of that again? It's a it's a front row well it was a front row lockout in qualifying for the sprint with Kimmy Antonelli. qualifying seconds um and and Russell once again with with a gap over even his teammate too.

Probably but it's still a little bit too early to say whether it's it's the same sort of dominance. I don't think it is. Harry, I mean it was it was so one sided, wasn't it? In t in two thousand and fourteen, y you had Nico Rosberg and and Lewis Hamilton just I'm in in a league of their own. Absolutely in a league of their own. Seconds and seconds ahead of everybody all the time. This is this is a bit closer. Ferrari should have put up a fight for the win.

in in Melbourne. And and here okay the gap in qualifying in sprint qualifying looks quite big. But we know that Ferrari are better in the race than they are in quality. They also start well. We uh from fourth on the grid, Lewis Hamilton, I expect him to be challenging for the lead going through turn one. I imagine round the outside into one is probably on the cards for Lewis. Um But let's let's see what happens. So no, I I don't think it's gonna be as dominant

As Mercedes were in 2014. I think other people will come back at them quite quickly this year. Well, let's hear from the man who's taken the first sprint poll of the year, George Russell, speaking with Jamie Chadwick.

George you've been lighting up the time streams. all day. Now you're on Sprint pole. Talk us through the session. Yeah, I mean firstly hello to all the fans in China who there's been amazing support for um for everybody here is special to be back and yeah the car's been feeling amazing. We knew after Melbourne we had a really good car, the engine's performing really well and uh today

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How special is it to be here and also to drive a qualifying lap at this circuit? Yeah, it's been really uh surreal seeing so many blue caps and so much support in the Grand Sam. So uh I've sort of embraced a little bit of the the culture with my special helmets over the last couple of years. And looking ahead to tomorrow, you've not got the far starting priorities, but how confident are you?

Well we've been since Melbourne, everything we've been working on is just trying to get off the line better. What we can do, I think we've found some improvements. Uh Melbourne was obviously slightly dicier in the opening laps than we would have liked. Uh but I guess we'll find out in the morning. Okay. It's seven tenth. It's not too bad for George Russell, who lines up on pole for the sprint. Alongside him will be Kimmy Antonelli, making it a front row lockout for the first time.

Mercedes. Um you mentioned about the Ferraris and and so did Jamie actually in that interview, but it's actually Lando Norris who starts third in the McLaren. Can he take the fight tomorrow? Oh Can he take the fight or to win? Or just to be to be in the mix. To be in the mix. I think that there's there's the shout that he can be in the mix

But where does in the mix finish? Um I I definitely think that he'll finish in the top five. But where I don't know. Because I think that the McLaren right now is uh a bit too heavy, a bit too hard on its tire, over a lap, um and just lacking a certain something. I think that they also don't fully understand the Mercedes package like the Mercedes team do. Obviously Mercedes have given

I've given McLaren this this powertrain but not really explained how to extract the most out of it. So is their right? Yeah, McLaren it is their right, but uh McLaren are suffering because of that and they're having to learn on the job. Actually it might be useful for Norris if he can keep that position behind the Mercedes to follow them and l see if he can learn something about

where the deployment is happening for Mercedes. Having said that, of course, you know, as we were saying earlier Um it's it's the qualifying where Russell particularly is having uh such a big advantage and he's really from what I've been hearing, he's really worked hard over the winter on understanding what the best way to drive um to get the most out of these engines and he's really d delivering'cause it's three tenths between him and Antonelli and then another three tenths to Norris.

Um, as uh as Sam says, McLaren have got work to do on both car and power unit understanding at the moment. So I think having finished fifty seconds behind Russell in Melbourne it would be quite the turnaround if he was able to challenge him for the win uh in a sprint race.

Well yeah, Landon Norris third. The other McLaren, Oscopi Astri in fifth. It it's sort of McLaren and and Ferrari. Are we gonna get a McLaren versus Ferrari really battle tomorrow? They're so good at their starts. Hamilton Fourth, Charles Leclerc actually with a with a bit of a gap to his teammate, down and six.

Yeah, I I thought Charlercler was gonna be ahead of ahead of Lewis in qualifying. He had a some kind of issue with his engine on the back straight, lost half a second, he said, which is which would put him third if that's true. There we go.

Well that well that sorts that one out, doesn't it? I think it's more likely you were asking about are we going to have a McLaren Ferrari? I think it's more likely that the Ferraris, if they can get a jump at the start, particularly Hamilton, if they'll challenge the Mercedes and leave the McLaren's behind rather than the other way around. Exactly.

So that's potentially then what we might see up front in this sprint. A reminder obviously there's no mandatory pit stops in a sprint race, it's a a hundred kilometre dash to the line essentially. Um so if that's what's happening in the front, I think just maybe a couple of notable shouts We haven't spoken about Max Verstappen.

Or Isaac Hajar, the two red bulldrivers, because they're they're actually eighth and tenth. They're behind an Alpine and Pierre Gasler. Quite a long way. It's um absolutely unbelievable. Hajar qualifies third in Australia. What is he, seven, eighth, tenths behind uh Russell? They're one point seven seconds off the pace. Well that's sapping. Well that's max, exactly. And and I over two. Another half a second behind, yeah, exactly.

But good news that for the likes of Pierre Gasly up in seventh in the Alpine, Ollie Behrman as well with another good performance inside the top ten. Yeah. Lovely word. He's absolutely destroying Esteban Ocon in the world. But the as the second half of the season developed, he got stronger and stronger and stronger and he really put Ocon in the shade and he's he's really continued that. This year.

To the extent that again in Australia we were hearing O'Connor talking about oh there's two different cars at House, what Ollie's got one, I've got the other. not sure that's probably what's going on. He's he's very talented and he's i you know, last year at the beginning I think he was still finding his feet, wanting to maybe over try.

to to prove himself to the like Saferari, um where obviously he had his first ever race in Formula One at that brilliant race in Jedda. Um but he's settled in now. He's a he's an he's a very good Formula One driver now. Well, let's see what unfolds in the sprint tomorrow. 19 000 produkter. Förlåt. Det är 19 000 produkter här på bilte. Ja. Ja, det har min familj fått reda på. Försatt de kvar i bilen när jag handlade, men nu kan jag få påfyllning, tack.

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Right, Formula One hasn't even been back a minute really and we've already got uh firm comments being thrown around by drivers to other teams. We've the games are in action once again. The Formula One politics. is a go. Spill the bean, Terry. Well we're gonna look a little bit more at the the weekend in general now and and I wanna come back to to George Russell. Already heard from him.

He's come out with some more comments in in the run up to this weekend and it's all about the the starts and and the the varying the differentiation in in starts that we got. in Melbourne last week. Obviously both Mercedes struggled to get off the line. He had the really fast charging Ferraris, Franco Colapinto's near miss with with Liam Lawson further back in the pack.

We know it's uh it's a bit of a talking point and we know that they're trying to to change the rules slightly as regards to to how the starts go. Um but Ferrari, because they're so good at their starts, we saw it in preseason testing, George Russell was actually accused Ferrari of being quote selfish And quote, silly in blocking change to the rules to improve safety at sports. Why would why would Ferrari want the rules to change currently? They've got such an advantage at the start.

Of course they're not gonna want the the rules to change. I think it's probably a case of Everybody else needs to improve and find a better solution. Uh yeah, in in Melbourne we saw a slow starting Liam Lawson where Franco Colapinto I I have no idea how he hasn't hit the back of him. I I mean Reactions of a ninja.

Really, that's the best thing I've seen him do in a Formula One car, to be honest. That's not no. It was fantastic. It's harsh, but it it might well be true. It's not harsh. It was superb. It was brilliant car control. That's not harsh, Harry. No, no, no. But um It's up to everybody else to to catch up. That's my view. The Ferrari have got something right.

Like sorry, but they've already given an extra amount of time for everybody to prepare for these new start activations and for th for the race start. Guys, do your homework. improve and and move forwards. I think it's too early to say it's dangerous because we've had one start.

Just one. There's continuing Doing slow starts in the middle of the pack, then fine. But we've had one start. I if we go back a minute, Andrew, wh why is this even a conversation in in the first place? Well there's a combination of two different issues here, the two different but related issues, Harry. So on the one hand you've got Ferrari appear to have a better start line performance than Mercedes.

The second thing is that there was a quirk there's a quirk of the rules that there's a there's a maximum en energy recovery limit for the formation lab. Russell's point is that All it would need to resolve that issue, he's not talking really about whether Ferrari are better at starts than Mercedes, he's talking about the danger of other cars Behind him running into each other because of this formation lap deployment issue.

Um he's saying to get rid of that problem, fix this rule where it's change the harvest limit on the formation lap and then this problem of disparity and energy recovery goes away and you won't have this problem as serious. Now the FIA the governing body, they have it within their power to make a rule change immediately on safety grounds. For whatever reason, I'm told because they're trying to find sort of harmony and consensus between all the teams, they've decided not to do that now.

But I do know that there are people in Formula One who think that that's a mistake and if they d if the FIA don't step in, there is sooner or later going to be an act. Don't you think that they want to maybe collect another start or two under their belts before they make a change? I understand that people might think it's a quite a serious matter. But is one is one race start I know that they've done a few in Bahrain as well, but is one race start enough data

to suggest that there needs to be a severe rule change on this. But also Well I would argue with obviously Ferrari have taken a different view. They believe that they've got an advantage in the Starts and they want to maximise that as much as possible.

But um you know, and everyb as is typical in these situations, everyone in Formula One has their own view and r I'm sure Russell feels that he's got a competitive advantage by changing this rule and I'm sure Ferrari feel they've got a competitive advantage by leaving the rule as it is.

But from the FIA's point of view, I think it's hard to argue that changing the energy recovery limits on the formation lab to make sure that everyone m w it was more even across the grid wouldn't be a safer solution than what's in place at the moment.

Well look we'll uh we'll keep an eye on on what goes on, but right now nothing uh changing and uh Ferrari with that uh w what we think is a smaller turbo in in their engine that they've designed, particularly to to get off the line quickly, we saw Charlotte League go from fourth to the lead uh in Melbourne by turn one. Could well see that again. It was the Bahrain preseason test that caught everybody's eyes where they went from, you know, ninth, tenth on the grid all the way up

uh and challenging for the lead by by corner one. So Ferrari obviously see this as a as a competitive advantage and and they're not really taking the safety uh element as as an argument. Well I think there's another factor involved here as well. Now we're seeing in qualifying big gaps between Mercedes and the rest of the field. No Russell's a similar sort of margin ahead of the first non Mercedes driver as he was in Australia slightly reduced.

But in the race the gap is much smaller, particularly between Mercedes and Ferrara. And of course Ferrari are factoring this in, they're thinking, well, if we can get an advantage of at the start, then we'll get back to wherever Russell is and then be able to challenge him in the race, as they did in Australia, uh before they messed up their strategy and took themselves out of the fight for victory.

Um so I think people expect something similar. It's gonna be interesting to see the sprint tomorrow, uh, because people expect something similar to happen in China. Th these big gaps in qualifying where the Mercedes engine has a very very significant deployment advantage. isn't duplicated s to the same degree in race trim.

Um that's what people are seeing so far in China. So it'd be fascinating to see in the sprint tomorrow if that plays out again, if Ferrari are particularly Ferrari are competitive with Mercedes over a racist. Um you were smirking a minute ago. By the smirk bird. What what's so funny? Nothing Formula One related. I just thought it was comical the fact that so Harry's hoodie is

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All right then, let's talk. Let's move on, shall we? Should never have asked. Max Verstappen. Yes. Uh and Red Bull. Uh I think that's what we're gonna focus on now because um Look, he's been he's been very vocal since since race one, which was only a week ago, but even in testing as well, since the first Barcelona shakedown about this new generation of cars. And and even though

The performance as well is not going to be helping his his opinion and mindset, is it? Because what he only managed eighth in in sprint qualifying uh and Hajar behind him as well, had a tough first race, had to come through the field with with their new power train in partnership with Ford.

So uh i he's having a tough time of it in the moment getting to grits with this new performance level, but he's not happy with the general state of Formula One. No. Uh and I think that there that that's a really good point, Harry, because Max Verstappen's at a point in his career where He's won enough races to basically say what he wants and how he feels and I think he's annoyed that the Red Bull is not right up there on the pace and he's not

winning or all right at the front. That hurts him and he's angered by that. But also he's angered by the fact that he doesn't see this as pure racing anymore. He doesn't see this as fun and he's not enjoying driving a Formula One car. Even if he was winning, I think he'd still be annoyed and angered by how Formula One is right now. He doesn't he doesn't see it as a pure

form of motorsport at the moment. Now maybe maybe that'll change as these regulations and these cars improve, but even if Red Bull had the fastest car and he was winning, he would probably say Yeah, good for the team, very good. If somebody said, Are you enjoying it? He's the kind of guy that would just say, No, not really. I'm not enjoying it. I preferred this or I preferred that. Well, let's hear what he has to say firstly about Red Bull's performance. This is Max Verstappen speaking.

The gap of course was quite big and also in the race I think if I would have started let's say a little bit up front um I think the best that I could have done was one spot higher. Uh because we didn't have the pace of the the top four cars. We also had a lot of degradation and and graining. Um but yeah, well we'll see. Well uh Do you think the gap between you and the top four cars was track specific to Albert Park? Do you think you'll be closer here?

Yeah, honestly it's such a a jungle out there at the moment I think that it's very hard to to really know. I mean I would hope that it gets a bit closer, not even bigger than the gap that it was in in uh in Melbourne. But it's clear that at the moment we cannot fight uh, you know, with the with those cars. So does having a sprint weekend so early in the season complicate matters for you? I I guess for everyone. I mean it's difficult for for everyone.

Tom Clarkson asking the questions to Max for Stappen there. So the performance is what it is, but then coming back to to the o the the overall views of the sport, when speaking with the written media Verstappen then went on to say that he wishes the new Formula One was quote more fun. But it's hopeful the sport is heading towards changes that will quote improve everything.

He then even joked that he'd swap the simulator for Mario Kart for a Nintendo Switch and practicing a bit of Mario Kart. And and look i is is it too Mario Kart? Have is this is this a fundamental flaw in is this gonna lead to I'm an overstappen calling it quit. Well he said not on that final point. He says he doesn't want to quit he says he doesn't want to quit. Um there are two related but separate issues here. So the the Mario Kart quote is It's a great headline.

But what he's referring to there is this sort of overtake and boost buttons that you get in the race. That's how you overtake these days. People will get a bat uh extension of battery power when another car in front of them doesn't have it. And it's not a skill to overtake in that scenario'cause you've got nearly five hundred more horsepower than the car you're trying to overtake, which is so you you're just gonna drive past them like you're on the motorway.

But the related issue to that, which is more what he's referring to, is all the different driving techniques that are required to to control the energy management of these engines and ensure that you've got enough electrical power for optimum performance over the lap. And uh all the drivers basically feel the same way.

Um so what you're getting is uh y that you've heard of um the the the driving along the strait if you're in a on an onboard camera you feel that you hear the engine notes start to dip. as they get towards the end of the end of the strait. That's where the electrical power runs out and the car is just running on the IC the internal combustion power while the car recharges the back.

Then you've got things like lifting and coasting on a qualifying lap again to charge the battery. You don't start the qualifying lap as you would have done in the past by coming as fast as possible as you can out of the final corner. Sometimes you might even be lift not deploying full energy out of the final corner to the finish line because it's been better to use the energy somewhere else on the lap. But I think even beyond that, the situations where In some of what you would call the sort of

Defining F one corners turns nine and ten in Australia, for example. And Fernando Alonso was talking about this uh on Thursday in the drivers' press conference. The S's in Suzuka turns seven and eight in China. Um they're not going to be going on the limit in those corners anymore, on the limit of grip, I should say, because it's more efficient for lap time to use those corners to recover energy in the engine.

And this is Lando Norris talking about this yesterday. You can still make a difference as a driver by driving the power unit in the correct way, but not by necessarily driving the car in a much better way. And he used the example of Puhan in Spa.

which is an extremely demanding high speed double left hand corner about halfway around the lap. It's become the corner at Spa now because O Rouge which was the defining corner of Spa, is now f was now we don't know what it's gonna be like this year, but it was flat out basically, not not in the dry on a qualifying He says you're not going to go into Puon now and see basically who has the biggest balls.

You're just gonna see who can lift at the correct points and use the amount of throttle that you have to use that doesn't use the battery. Um so as he said, you can certainly have a big impact on driving the pale engine in the correct way. It's just that's not what any of us have ever grown up doing.

It's probably not something any of us grew up wanting to do either. But that's the way it is now. So it's like is Formula One any longer the ultimate driving challenge in the way that we always perceived it to be? And the drivers are feeling no, it's not. And I think that the purists among us, as entertaining as the first ten laps in Melbourne were, the purists are thinking.

This isn't what Formula One's meant to be. And walking up and down the paddock in Formula One uh in in in Australia and also in Bahrain at preseason testing, there's a lot of people I would say it's a complete consensus pretty much. In Formula One that it's the sport's gone the wrong way with these rules and they need to rebalance this so that these

So it's not taking away from driving ability as much as it is at the moment. I'm not a fan at all of of Formula One cars in qualifying, having to coast into their brake zone. you know, qualifying should be absolutely, you know, pedal to the metal, giving it absolutely everything, not leaving anything on the table and the fastest man, the fastest car out there

put it on pole. Not the the best battery management puts it on pole. And the smallest lifts put it on pole. I I d I I'm not a fan of that and I hope that that gets changed in some way in the near future.

Well look, I I think this is probably a storyline that's gonna rumble on and on until we see some tweets so we can chat. more about it. We need to wrap things up. Um so ready, are we already done?

Nearly mate, nearly. You j you guys just love a chat, don't you? You're ready to talk today. Well I good now you've woken up. Welcome to the party. Um let's just uh finish with some predictions, please. We I want a sprint one, two, three, and a Grand Prix one, two, three, please. Who'd like to go first? Benny, you look you're you're poised and ready. Sprint one, two, three. I'm gonna go Russell, Hamilton, Antonelli. I'm gonna go Russell, Antonelli and I'm gonna go Norris for the sprint. Okay.

I am going to go with uh Russell's gonna win the sprint, followed by Antonelli and Norris will stay the same. And then Grand Prix I think will be Russell, Hamilton, Leclerc. That's what I'm gonna go for. Yeah. Well, let's see what happens now. Do we get do we get asked you about the Grand Prix? I said sprint one two three and Grand Prix one two three. Well we only gave sprint one two three. Oh did you I thought you were just I didn't I wasn't really listening.

So what's the Grand Prix once you through that? Make it quick, Bert, come on. I'm gonna have um Russell, Hamilton, and then Antonelli. Russell LeClaire Hamilton. Okay, so Russell's doing pretty well then out of this weekend, that's for sure. Uh let us know yours if you're about. Hashtag BBC F one throughout the weekend and uh you can always get in touch on our email F one at BBC

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