WrestleMania weekend and backstage drama

in the trademark land of the Queen of Extreme. But how the hell are you on this beautiful day we're recording? I'm doing well? How about yourself? I'm just ducky. It's kind of cold this morning. But really, you know, sun's out, guns out. You know, I'm locking and loading. You know, as we're getting recorded, you know, you're you're quieting the

people in your house. I've been dealing with the friggin cat sitting at the top of the damn steps over here, crying for the last two to three days, like I wanted to come down. We don't let the cat in the basement, but holy shit, is it fucking annoying. Well, the language, the language. No, the cat's annoying as hell. It's sitting at the top of the steps going do you think the cats in heat or she's fixed. She's just crying. Oh okay, so she's she just wants to

come downstairs and play. Yeah, but she can't because she I, you know, like, my stuff are right and my statues, I got my stuff and she climbs on it, so she can't come down. But yeah, oh my god, she's annoying the ship. I'm trying to get my stuff done. And then here is are you logging her yet? Are you a petner? Are you holding her? I go up and I give her. I show her the the You know, I'm the I'm the dominant person in the house, so she I show her. You know that I'm the dominant

male in the house. You're the only mail in the house. Yeah, I know. Survival of the Fittest. That's why you have that title, because the only I know I know what's going on with you. This This is a kind of a quiet week for me. You know, I am not

booked this weekend. This is the Russell Con weekend. By the way, uh weekend weekend I usually go to Wrestle Khan, but I opted not to go this year only because California is very far and I would have spent like two days traveling and three days actually working, and it was five days is way too long to be away, you know, from my situation, so I opted to skip this weekend. Now. The following weekend after that is Squared Circle, which I had booked months and months and months before.

I you know, my mom kind of started with her decline and that's I'm going to be away like four days, right, But I had already booked it and I'm kind of locked in, so I couldn't renege on that one. So I have to go to that one. But Wrestle Khan, I was just kind of like, I don't think I'm gonna go. So I talked to a couple of my friends who are heading out there today, and I hope everybody has a great weekend. I hope it's very successful for everyone involved. Are you gonna watch WrestleMania. I will

check out WrestleMania at some point. I'm not going to fall into it like I did with the Royal Rumble, because I know that since it's too I don't have eight hours of time to spend watching WrestleMania. That's like a shift of work if you're going to watch WrestleMania. So I'll check out. I definitely want to see the Cody Roman match for sure, and we'll talk about something with WrestleMania relations in a couple of minutes. But that's really it. I mean, I guess I'm invested enough in

this usso's Sammy's ay and Kevin Owen's storyline. I'll check that out. Yeah, that's about it. There's really nothing else popping off the page for me. Gotcha understood. Yeah, I won't watch, but I'll look at clips and highlights and read and see what's going on. And I don't know, it's a magical time of year though. It's like Christmas for a wrestling fan, you know it is. I mean, it's lost a little bit. I feel like, and this is a weird one because, you know, is this a

Vince mcmahonless WrestleMania for the first time? This be a better WrestleMania. Maybe I gotta say the jury's out on Triple H you know, not that everybody's crying for Vince McMahon to come back. But the jury's out on Triple H talking when this first all went down and Triple H gained power and the ratings went up, right, I'm not going to say through the roof, but the ratings continued to climb when Triple H got control and people

were coming back. We were sitting here saying, this is so great for the business and for WWE, and it's such a good thing, And now you're telling me not so good. No, they're still rewriting shows like at the last minute. You know, they don't know what they're doing, if they're coming or going right. They've done that for years. Yeah, but it seemed like they were going in a little more of a structured direction and it just doesn't seem

way anymore. All the guys that he brought back seemingly have done absolutely nothing with you know, It's like, what was the point of rehiring all those folks. I mean, great for them, they got a paycheck and a steady income, but creatively, you know, there's guys that just got taken off that I guess indie scene and could have been working more regularly and getting better instead of just doing the old showing up the TV and not working and

maybe just being in a backstage segment. And I don't know, but it seems like this the jury's still out. So this is Triple H's WrestleMania test. Is Vince gonna be there? I'm sure in some capacity, But you know, the Hall of Fame was like a big deal. It's very small this year compared to previous years. And we talked about the Hall of Fame with so Calval a couple of weeks. Yeah,

so much controversy, a lot of controversy. And then, you know, and then the Stacey Keebler reveal come out, you know, about a week ago, and it's so nice to see like how she settled into post celebrity life. Yeah, she looks lovely. I mean I saw a picture of her walking with her three children. Beautiful family, seems to have a great husband, you know, good honor. It's great. I love success stories in wrestling. I love the positive pieces. And you know, I never really gave my two cents worth.

I sat here and I listened to Val talk about Stacy and how she doesn't think she deserves it, but you know, I kind of think she does deserve it. If you look back on her career and what she has done for the business. She was a very prominent player in that era. Now I'm not saying, you know, people say well this one deserves it more than this one, or this one deserves to be in it before her, because she did more than that. That's not the way this hall of Fame goes. This isn't your typical hall

of fame. We've discussed this. This is like who they think will help them benefit, what names will draw, what names will sell tickets. I feel like Stacy, like I said, she was a very very prominent figure in the era that she worked in. And I told this story before. When she first started in the business, she was trying out to be a nitro girl. And I had saw I was at the Baltimore Airport ide layover coming from a long ECW trip, and I had my big ECW jacket on and she walked over. She was with her

mom and dad at the time. She walked over to me and she tapped me on the shoulder and she said, do you work for ECW. I said, well, yes, I do, and I introduced myself to her and she told me, you know, she was just starting with WCW. She said, all I want to do is dance. That's what she That was the one line I'll never forget out of her. Man, I just want to dance. All I want to do is dance. And I told her, You're going to do much more than dance. Believe me, I said, they're going

to use you for a lot more than dancing. And I was right. Do other people deserve it, absolutely do and hopefully they'll get the call. But I feel, like, you know, Stacy has contributed a lot to the business as a managers, as just a you know, a female, and everybody knows who she is. Everybody who's a wrestling fan knows who she is, and I'm happy for She accepted it graciously. She, like you said, she has moved on. I don't know if she acts anymore. I really haven't

heard much from her. There was an article up and she hadn't even been on her Twitter in years, and she popped up to just say, you know, thank you WWE, and you know, I'm happy to reconnect with you guys and stuff like that. So I'm happy for her, you know,

And again it's a positive story. She has a great life and I love seeing that for people in the wrestling business because too many times people get caught up in the wrong things and we've lost so many of our you know, dear friends and family because of it, and it's just nice to see a positive piece. Tory Wilson also same era as Stacey Keebler in WWE Hall Fame. Yeah,

you have to also give them that little asterisk. Even though they came through that WWE Diva era, they did break in in WCW YEP during a quite tumultuous era where you kind of got an education pretty quick because there was a lot of politics going on and you had to get kind of learn on the fly as to what was going on from a business point of view.

So whether or not she just wanted to dance, she was thrust pretty quick into having to deal with sharks, having to deal with, you know, getting into storylines, having to learn. She went from Miss Hancock the standards and practices to I don't know if they changed her. I don't think she was Stacy Keebler there. I think she was just Miss Hancock but standards and practice to stripping and this and that. So they kind of threw her straight to the wolves and she contributed a lot to

the end of WCW. So just that WWE Diva era where she's a Hall of Famer. She broke in at the end of the nineties in WCW, so it's not like it's one small piece of time. It is that tail end of the Attitude era. It's it's a lot more than just that two thousand's you know, ruthless aggression Diva era. Yeah, and I remember when she came on the scene. I believe I was at UH. I was watching Paul edit the show for the week, the ECW show.

We were up in Scarsdale and uh, I think we might have had nightro on and Stacy was on and Paul said, if I can get one girl, that would be the girl to bring over to ECW. He wanted Stacy Keebler. I remember him saying that, and could never get her. And guess what after the the tail end of the Alliance era, she was paired with the Dudleys, Yeah, saying that if I had my pick out of all the girls that we don't have, I picked Stacy Keebler. So there you go, and there you go. Maybe I

don't know, so hall of Famer. We talked about it a few weeks ago with so cal val and now cemented in the Hall of Fame and equals cash everything. There are so many people who are Hall of Fame worthy out there that have not gotten in yet, but maybe they will, you know. But for me, like, I'm not gonna crap on somebody because somebody else didn't get in before them. She didn't sit on her on her hands and do nothing. She she did what she was told to do. She was over, she took the bumps,

you know, she helped get guys over. I think she's Hall of Fame worthy. So there you go. That's my two cents. People can argue with me all they want. I don't care. I do agree that there's others that deserve it as well, but maybe everybody will get their turn, who knows. But again it's not the typical Hall of Fame, so you have to keep that in mind as well.

And the chatter will begin because next year WrestleMania is in Philadelphia, So get ready because the WrestleMania experience hits the Philadelphia area and I've already talked about with a couple people that you know, the rumblings will begin probably around January that hey, if they're gonna do it as a group. Who would represent the group? If they're gonna pick and choose, who are they gonna pick and choose? Probably not. Is there a default couple that they pick.

That's the maybe logical guest that they would do that. But are they just going to umbrella? You know, there's the umbrella. We're just gonna lump everybody under that umbrella, and then everybody who ever worked for the company says, oh, now I'm a Hall of Famer. Yeah, no, I don't care. How about this picture. I just found this as I was scrolling through Twitter just casually. Here's a picture of the Hall of Famer with the Dudleys. That's a great picture.

I like that picture a lot. I could see your picks. I can see you doing with the tag titles as well. So there that's a place I did Queen's book. I did that with the television championship. That's right, you did. There you go. Before this picture was taken, I took one with a belt, So there you go. Yeah, And as we say, the would be, we did it first,

So there you go. But you know, we'll kind of stay with that and uh, we'll kind of keeping the you know, the w w E. Diva Era somebody who you you know, you worked with in the news recently, uh for different not not Hall of Fame news, but you know, personal news. Uh. Kelly, Kelly Barbie Blank announces

that she is expecting her first child. This story behind it is that she had like a very tumultuous time getting there and had a very very tough time ut ivf battle you know, for years to get to this point. But I'll let you talk about it. But I was just surprised with how much coverage there was because it's like a very personal thing, but it was like a story. Yes, yeah, Well, she miscarried. She had a miscarriage a little bit ago, and like you said, she'd been trying for a very

long time. From what I understood when I met her, she was nineteen at the time, knew nothing about the business, as green as grass, sweetest little thing, and you know, we traveled together, and we roomed together a couple of times and stuff, and she would always tell me like, I just want to be a mom, I just want to have a baby. At nineteen she was saying this, really yeah, And because I was dating my husband at the time when I was working there, and you know,

being much older. I was about fifteen years older, I belie than her. I was good lore thirty four years old. She was only nineteen. So she would say to me like, do you think you're gonna get married? And I was like, I don't know, maybe you know, and She's just like, yeah, that's what I want to do. I want to settle down, get married and have kids. And that's what I remember from her the most is just her wanting to be

a mom. So when I saw that she was pregnant finally, I was elated for her super super happy and beautiful pictures with her and her husband and her little baby bump. I never did those pictures. I don't know, maybe because I'm not like an ig kind of girl, Like I don't like taking pictures of myself, but all these girls are taking pictures of their bellies and these beautiful outfits. I should have did something like that. I didn't take any pictures. So I was just like, Oh, I'm as

big as Al's. I don't want anyone to see me. Yeah, I'm not my cup of teeth those kinds of pictures. Yeah, I don't like this. No, no, I don't get it, you know, and I watched like an Entertainment Tonight piece about it, and that that was the thing that caught me. Yes, and that's the thing that kind of caught me off guard.

And she's still being billed as a WWE superstar. And I know she comes back for all of the events, you know, the Raw twenty five, the Raw Super Show, the Legends Night and all that stuff, but they're still billing her as a WWE superstar. Now. I don't know if she's gotten into acting at all or if she's just a model on the side. And but I didn't know she would still be like under the WWE family,

you know, I thought she had moved on completely. And they're they're doing jokes on Entertainment Tonight saying, oh, maybe this baby will be a future wrestler, ha ha. You know what. I'm like, she's been gone for like ten plus years. I wouldn't consider Kelly Kelly a wrestler anymore by any stretch. I don't know, does she like I don't know if she'd be under a Legends deal, But is she under some kind of promotional deal with them? I would guess she is if they. I mean, she's

been back for like the Women's Evolution event. They had just got the Women's World Rumble, like two years she was in the Women's World Rumble. Yeah, but like she's not like on the independence scene now people remember her, I guess for her, you know her run there and Kelly Kelly was never like released from w w E and then like you know at like Wrestle Pro and Rahway. You know, she was not like on the on the

indie tour. But I do see her at conventions. I have seen her at several conventions that I've done where I got to chat with She's regular on the convention scenes. Yeah. Pretty pretty, uh pretty high asking price there from uh oh really from what I from what I know, there's the picture from a pretty she looks a little different from when she first broke onto the scene. Well, she's older now and she looks beautiful, and I hope she has a healthy, happy baby, and I'm very happy for her.

This guy's like, yeah, I did that. He's like I got Kelly Kelly. Yeah, good for them. I'm very very happy for them. And you know, nothing is worse than you know, being a woman and yearning for a child and not being able to conceive that is a terrible thing. I know so many women who would cut off their arm to have a baby and they just can't do it. So when something like this happens, it's a huge blessing.

So I am really really happy for her, and you know, it's motherhood's journey and she's got a lot in store for her. But it's the best thing you can ever do. So can Congratulations to Barbie and her husband from me. Yes, congratulations to uh somebody who had a better shoot name than a wrestling name, and that they should have started. We all said that back in the day, like Barbie Blank gets so much better than Kelly Kelly, Like what the hell? But you know she got it. Yeah, it's funny.

You know, I've seen in the news. I thought I saw her name pop up like a couple maybe like a week or so ago, because the anniversary of test Andrew Martin passing away would had just passed and she had dated Andrew Martin, yeah, you know, way back in the day. And uh, it's been quite a while since he passed away, and I couldn't believe how long it's been.

It's been like fifteen sixteen years, and it's like, man, he was so young that he was such a big dude, and I was I was listening to Kevin Nash talk about him, and I didn't know was really close with him when he passed away, and Nash looked at him as like a protege that he could have been like

the next Kevin Nash. Like Kevin Nash saw him as like the guy who could have carried that big man torch of like the attitude mixed with like the big man you know, like that Nash has that that aura and like you know, the cockiness that yeah, yeah, I got. I always got along with Tests because you know, he was he was there in the fakes. He dubb with me, and I just wish we would have been able to do the run that we were supposed to do together because I just feel like that would have been money,

you know, like working together with him. Unfortunately we never got to do it. But I always got along with him in the back like he was. He was a very nice guy. And you in balls with Tests, No, No, I you with Tests. I was supposed to be with really, Oh yeah I told you this story. I don't remember this.

Remind me, No, I don't remember this at all. Yeah, So When I first went there, the pitch was you're gonna be put with somebody, you know, a top tier guy, and they didn't tell me who before I signed my contract, you know. So I signed the contract and then I get there and then I'm hearing all this stuff, and I was told, we're thinking about you and test together as a monster Heel team. So I was just like, oh my god, I love it. And then I said the test. Are you ready, like, you know, are you

ready to do this? He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, this will be cool, blah blah blah, and then it just never was brought up again. And I was just like, what happened? And I wasn't pissing anybody off because I hardly opened my mouth, Like I was just like, you know, in the corner, reading my book, doing my thing, not

bothering anyone, So I know it wasn't me. I don't think he had a problem with the angle, because he seemed like he wanted to do something with, you know, with it, but it just got scrapped for or whatever reason. But I just in the back of my mind, I'm just like, man, I wonder if we would have got over. I think we would have I really think we would

have one hundred percent. That's what was missing in that ECW because well, I remember I was in the building the night he re debuted, and you looked at him when he redbuted, and that's when they were kind of starting to sprinkle the retread WWE guys in the ECW, you know whatever, you want to call it, fake ECW,

ECW rebrand. When they were taking guys like Bob Holly putting him in there, taking a guy like Tests and putting him in there, and the fans were booing him because it's like, oh, we've seen tests, we've seen him in doun raw, we've seen him on some backdown. Now he's here. You would have brought a new dimension to him. That would have been really cool. That is a huge missed opportunity. Yeah, I agree, And it was something I really wanted to do, and just you know, I was

eager to just work with anyone. I didn't care, you know, I didn't care who I worked with. And then when they put me with Balls, I was like, Okay, this is cool, he's my friend, you know. And then take a drug test, way to go, Balls, he's out, and then I'm alone again and they're they're like, oh, yeah, we just we can't think of anything. I'm just like, it's right under your nose, it's right there, you know. But it's like talking to a wall when you work there.

So and that would have been that could have been the storyline right there. You turn on balls your ECW brother to go with tests, sitting right in front of them. Then they just yeah, you're sleeping at the wheel, you know, like they're known to do sometimes, Oh what can you do? But you know, one of many misopportunities. I love the feeling of soaking up the sun. Miss pome Fear. Native sunscreen is the only sunscreen that I will use, but with all the time in the sun, I'm always worried

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at WrestleMania. I don't know if I believe this one. I don't know. If I'm Tony Kahan, why would I let one of my top guys were for my rival promotion? Why would I? It doesn't make sense to me unless he Christian goes there with an ae W shirtle to promote the company. But I don't see them agreeing to something like that. So why would Tony let Christian work WrestleMania. That's out there, man, that's like I don't know, but

but think about it. Mickey James went with a belt for another company into WWE and worked her deal right in the rumble, correct, So I mean, we never say never, but this one, this one's a I don't know. I don't know. What do you what do you think? I don't think it's gonna happen. Okay, I do think we'll see Gangrel because Gangrel seems to be just everywhere these days. As told us, he's pretty much, you know, a vampire

who just will not live big lives forever. I think it's very hard to believe, especially with the investment that Tony Kahm put into Christian, who paid him a lot of money to come from WWE to AW. Why would you want to enhance their biggest show of the year with a guy you invested that much money into only what two three years later? That makes no business sense whatsoever.

As cool as it would be, I could be off the mark on this one, but I just can't see Tony agreeing to this unless he gets something out of it. What is AW going to get out of it? Are they going to put over the rival promotion on WrestleMania. I can't see that happening. I don't see it either. That's a weird one. This is I don't know who

started this one, but it's interesting. It is interesting because there's the rumblings of the Brood reunion, you know, the darkness of the finn Balor group mixed with the darkness of Edge and the Brood makes sense. It's there. It's absolutely logical, but it's not because if one of the guys is in the other promotion, it just can't happen. Now Wwe did send Christian again to Impact for an anniversary show, but all he did was present like an award right in uttle and he was out there for

about a minute. Well, I mean, I look stranger. Things have happened in this business. You never say never, like I said earlier, but if this does happen, I will really be shocked. I will be shocked. Like I would say, he has to wear an AW shirt. He has there has been the Brood. He can't wear an AW shirt that he has to have some branding on him so that company gets something out of his appearance. Are they

gonna on commentary? Are they gonna say, oh, it's it's Christian from ae W. He's a ladies and that's that's what it would have to be. They're not gonna do it. They can't do that cause he comes out as if they do the Brood thing and he is there when

we could eat our hats. If that's the case, he would be wearing the Brood gimmick with the white shirt and the sun aw acrust, the ruffles on the way and Corey Graves, who likes to throw monikers out there very loosely, he would say something like it's it's Gangrel, it's Edge, and the one who's the elite member of the brood, it's Christian. You know, I don't know. I don't know. I just feel like I feel like ae W needs to get something out of that appearance. They

need to be recognized. That's the only like, if I was Tony, that's the only way I'd let him do it, because if they put him over as somebody from AW. So let me ask you this. So let's go back to what we talked about a million times ECW on RAW. Okay, so obviously that was a conjoint that was a conjoint appearance, that was a to promote barely legal Okay, it made sense, you got, but you weren't there. We've talked about it.

It's on the YouTube channel, it's it's it's something that you were not happy about because Shane did not want to go. Yeah, okay, what what would have been the more impactful moment Shane walking out on Monday Night Raw or with all the heat that Shane had with the WWF and everybody involved with the WWF and Vince or Christian walking out on a WrestleMania being involved with AW

that's only been around for two or three years. What would be a more impactful moment, you guys stepping through that r AW the two of you, or Christian coming up with that smoke and that fire with you know, being involved with AW. What what do you think some more impactful kind of like shockers promoter? I think for me thinking back Shane and Vince, there was always some heat there, right. I don't know if Christian has any heat with the company, with with w w E. I

don't know if he left on good terms. I mean people leave all the time, back and forth for money reasons.

Shane was different. There was like there was this heat that they didn't like each other, and you know, Shane has a tendency to bury people in public a little bit, just a little bit, you know, so that it's it's like it's a different dynamic when you know it's behind the scenes the politics you're going on in one case and maybe in the other case it was just like, well he left for more money, you know, maybe there's

no bad blood with Christian. There was certain certainly bad blood with Shane, so you would never expect Shane to walk through that door. So I feel like that would be a bigger shock because for somebody to keep saying, I'll never work for him again, I'll never go back, I'll never do this, and then you see them, it's like, holy shit, where'd he come from? Whereas Christian? Oh wow,

it's Christian. He's getting a payday, he's working WrestleMania. I don't hear Christian badmouthing WWE, right, I don't think there's any bad blood between them. I kind of think that they just parted ways for money reasons. Correct. So to me, it would be somebody, whether it be Shane or whether

it be anyone who has heat, walking back into that company. Yeah. No, I think that in that long run, even though aw is what it is, that ECWWWF crossover to this day, is still going to be the biggest, I think shocking moment in wrestling history. To see ECW crossover that line and come into the ww F ring is still to me the most shocking thing ever. Now, it'll be cool

if Christian is there and that AWWWE crossover happens. It's cool to me, It'll always be the fact, like Raven comes through the the you know, the the entry way, Shaboo jumps off the top of the side. Task is in the ring doing the polls, the Dudley's drop, Sam Man and the Dreamer in the three d If you guys came through with crowd or did whatever you did, literally would have been the most shocking moment. It would

be on one of those countdowns of shocking moments. Yeah, and I feel like that's something that shouldn't be advertised. It shouldn't that if we agreed to do that, that should have totally been a surprise and tried to be k fame for as long as possible. But you know, I desperately tried to talk Shane in the going just like I can to the know that wasn't happening. So sat home and watched it like every every other person in the world, and it was bitter, super bitter that

I wasn't there. You know, in like a year, if WWE is a part of the bet online community, good thing we're not better is because if Christian shows up, we would have lost. We never talked about that. How ridiculous. You can't make this crap up because, first of all, okay, I you know, I enjoy uh betting on certain things. You know, I like the casino, I like to gamble a little bit here and there. But betting on a wrestling match is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard

in my life. You can't threaten. You can threaten the people who work there as much as you want, but something is always going to be leaked, right if I'm a writer. I'm a writer, and I know what the schedule is, and I know who's gonna win and lose. I'm calling my cousin Fred and saying, put fifty on us so and so because I got a tip. There's no way this could happen. It is by far one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. Ever. There's no way this could happen. I can't see it happening.

It's pretty dumb. I think it's because of the coverage it gets now in mainstream sports. I think that's exactly why. And it's I remember I've said this for years, there's a blurred line now between the work and what wrestling is portrayed as now to the fans, they it's reported on as go to a wrestling site. Okay, what a wrestler tweets in character is tweeted his news, as reported his news. They forgot somewhere. It's a work. It's treated

as real information. Oh god, So because ESPN talks about it, The New York Post talks about it, the Daily News, you know, Washington, all these publications. Forbes talks about it, Rolling Stone they talk about it. It blurred the line. So now these betting sites are like, well, ship WrestleMania. Millions of people watch it, so why not bet on it? Well, yeah, there's oh there's writers. We didn't know that. Gee, you can bet at the end who's gonna win Indiana Jones

or the villain. It's just ridiculous to me. I don't I don't understand it. I think they would lose tons of money. I don't. I don't get it. I hope it doesn't happen. I just think it's idiotic. It's just ridiculous. Who would have thought Superman wins at the end of the Superman movie? Like, who do you think they'll have like sub parlays where like, uh, if so and so doesn't run in plus one press, yes I do. It's so ridiculous, you know, ref bump, you know, like stupid,

it's gonna it's gonna be stuff like that. It's unbelievable that it would be unreal, and to me, it's unfortunate. To me, it's another nail in the coffin of what was professional wrestling. I hate to say it, and that's very sad. Well, speaking of nails and coffins, is somebody burying themselves a little too much lately? Which which person? Oh? Well, the one I'm thinking about is the one we were talking about this morning. Do we have any anybody else

before we go to our main topic today? No? No, no, you know, I don't know, because I gotta tell you you'll be surprised who side I'm on and all this. Well, the way you said that, I'm thinking you're on punk side. I'm team punk. What's your reasoning on that? Because before you give an explanation, let me just say everyone in the business who is commenting on this story, which recently has blown up again, it kind of went down for

a little bit and now it's a thing again. Right, Everyone who's commenting is so anti punk, so anti punk. So what is the saving grace that you see that you're on punk side, that it's such a pileon that now it looks like there's an agenda to get rid of the guy. But don't you think there's a pylon because he brought it on himself. I'm usually that's what happens. Okay. You see the response that he got when he came back. Yeah, how many years were people chanting his name while he

was gone? You think it's jealousy? Yes, okay, could be, could be. I'm not an insider, so I don't know. I'm just like you. I'm looking, I'm reading, I'm looking at clips, I'm watching what people are saying about the guy. I knew him back in the day long time ago, shared a locker room with him in MLW right when ECW was done, still young sumpunk, still a youngster on the scene, and then in the fake e C Dub he was there and he was always super nice to me, and to be honest with you, I never saw an

ego from him. But then again, I'm a chick and I'm not competition, so you have to think of it that way too. I get it. But every single person that I see dislikes the guy, and it's like he has a chip on his shoulder. He thinks his shit doesn't stink. He really thinks he's the best in the world, you know, and he's got this kind of like an attitude.

They're saying like that he's better than everybody else. And I don't know, like some people will argue your fact and say, you know, maybe if one person says it, it's not true, or maybe if two people, but tens of hundreds of people who's worked with the guy are saying it. Could it be him? Could there be something going on? I don't know. I think there's a pile on going on. I think there's a definite movement to

get him out. And to me, the unprofessionalism of the guys that have shot on him in the ring, and these promos that are now turned out to be shoots, and you know, I've seen Eddie Kingston's promo on a dynamite that was I guess we thought was a part of a storyline, was now allegedly a shoot. All the Adam Page stuff that we knew about before that was a shoot in the ring that led to all the stuff at the media scrum. I'm professionalism, and this guy's

getting attacked by everybody. But okay, I understand. You know, you're getting bullet points in the back, and you get to do your own promo because that's what we did. We got bullet points, and we can go off on a tangent say our own thing. But I mean, everybody that is shooting on him, are they getting reprimanded when they come through the curtains or is there is there some kind of uh, you know, is Tony come and going up to him? Or you really shouldn't have said that.

Are the coaches coming up to him? Is anybody getting in trouble for this? See that? I mean that part We don't know. Nobody's privy to that information as just a casual observer somebody who is it? Because when you go into business for yourself, sometimes it's you get in trouble for it. You can get in a lot of trouble, especially if they you know, if Tony wants him back and he's letting all these guys go out and just do these interviews where they're just annihilating him on live TV.

That's not a way to get somebody back, you know what I mean? Because that makes me think management is letting them have free reign and say what they want. And it's not only the talent burying him, but it's the company burying him so to speak, because management is not doing a thing about it. They're letting them. So what does that say, Does Tony want him back? I would want to before I would think you want him back because of the revenue personally, as if you're a businessman.

Back do you want him back when the whole locker room is flat out saying he's a cancer to the locker room. I don't want him in here? Do you want to chaos among all your workers? Then, as the boss, you go to your top lieutenants and you say you need to get over yourself. You need to work with him because as a business, we need to operate to bring in the most money to operate and continue. Bottom line, get over yourself. Work with the guy. He's professional enough

to work with you. So you move on, get over yourselves. And so the Instagram story that he deleted I pulled up. Did you get a chance to read it? No? But wait before I forget this part. As your boss, you just said that Tony wants to be one of the boys, not so much a boss. So he's going to listen in to the majority of that locker room. My opinion from what I hear, I don't know. I'm not in that locker room. That's what everybody hears. Everybody hears it.

So do I want to be a boss figure or do I want to be one of the boys that everybody loves and everybody's in his ear. We don't want him back. Maybe he's listening and appeasing that locker room to make everybody happy. You know, it's been quite a while. Why hasn't he come back yet. Well, he's injured, he's he could still come back and cut promos. He could, he could still be on television. I guess, as I do,

people come back when they're injured. Maybe he's concerned for his safety at this point, with the less time he was there, he got jumped. I mean, that's and that's again the pylon. That's what I don't understand. He's the to me outsider, casual observer, not really following aw as a product. I'm following the drama as an unfold on social media. He's the victim. He's getting attacked left and right by everybody. Was he asked to come back do they want him in that locker room? Has he been

offered to come back? There was a scenario where it looked like I guess he was coming back, but he's not cleared because of the injury. I don't know, so that's why. Yeah, again, there's a lot a lot of murky information out there. What's the Instagram post? So this is what he had put out on Instagram but then deleted very quickly. But in this world, it all takes is the post and then screen grab and it's all over. Yep.

So he writes sy which that's the only part of this story where seam Punk has eat with me because cy that, come on, what are we fourteen year old girl? Well, I mean come on exactly, you're you're you're a girl. Okay, that's fine, you can say that punk. No. So that's where we have a little bit of no Punk, don't ever do that again. I wasn't cleared to come back to wrestle yet. Uh. Then plan was to wrestle at the pay per view. I sat and listened to Moxley's

Rocky three idea. I explained how I'd never seen a Rocky movie. I uh, you know what I think this was too. I think he was writing a draft and I think he sent it by accident because there's a little bit of like weird text that doesn't make sense. I thought the idea sucked, but if the boss wanted to do it whatever he said, he wouldn't lose to me. I'd never experienced someone refusing to lose to me. I just laughed. I asked Tony if this is this what

he wanted. He said yes, he's the boss. So I said, okay, but I need to be cleared first. They kept saying it could just be a squash, so I didn't need to be cleared. I scoffed at that. My health is more important. Dave Meltzer is a liar. Jericho is a liar and a stooge. There were plans, but plans always change.

But I'll never put a company above my health ever again. Okay, So he called one of the top guys a liar and a stooge, which doesn't sit well, probably with Chris Right, doesn't sit well with John Moxley because he's basically saying, your idea is shit, and you know you don't want a job to me, And that's what I sent you this morning. Was the Moxley response. Yeah, okay, right, and I listened to it. Look, there's always going to be

some kind of drama going on somewhere. I just feel like, my guess is everybody is in Tony's ear that does not want him there. And Tony is a yes guy, and he wants to be friends with everybody, and he wants to be one of the boys, and let's make twenty guys happy instead of one. Keep peace in the locker room. That's the easiest solution because it could be

fifty to fifty. Punk could come back, and some of the fans that loved him after all this probably hate him because they're with the you know, with the other guys, like they don't think like you. Like maybe they thought, while it was Punk's fault, he deserved to get his ass kicked in the media thing. And I don't know, but maybe they think, like, what if he comes out and he doesn't get the reaction we thought he would get, and then what happens He's not as over as we

thought he was gonna be. You don't know, We don't know. I just feel like Tony is probably wanting to appease the locker room more than he wants to appease one guy. Yeah, I just I think they all they're all threatened by him.

I think the Jericho thing, there's heat with two of them dating back to when Punk left WWE, and Jericho reached out to him when he left to come on his podcast, and that was like where he wrote him off, and he was like, that's all you want, That's all you're concerned about is getting the story, and that's where

they're back and forth kind of started. But to me, it looks like the reason people might not like him is because Punk carries himself differently than maybe Jericho does, where Jericho kind of evolves himself and hangs around the guys and maybe wants to be buddies and will listen to what you got to say. Punk will listen to you, but Punk's gonna tell you if something sucks. Punk's gonna give you nasty feedback, honestly. But people sing his praises

and Punk say, Punk's great. Punk's this. He bought the locker room coffee and he listened to this, and he critiqued my match and did that. Jericho may want to go out drinking with you, to words and go party and you know, and then go to a concert. Yeah, but it's punk to be all say all of wrestling like it is his word. The final say, just because

he thinks something sucks doesn't mean it sucks. But he's saying he asked if you ask if somebody says, hey, punk, can you watch my match, and they go to whim and they say, hey, blah blah blah blah blah to Jericho. You know, but what I'm saying, like, I think the punk got a reputation for not being approachable, right, ah, I got youa okay, but he was to some I think that some people just didn't think he was so Yeah, but he was a dick. Punk saying to an indie

kid that match sucked. Here's why. Blah blah blah is one thing. Punk saying to a guy like John Moxley, this idea blows. I don't want to do it. That's another thing. You know. It's kind of like they're button heads. They're two top talents. You got one guy who's wanting to put the idea over and the other guy says, this is shit. I don't want to do that. So it's it's kind of you're clashing and there's a certain way, I think, especially with guys that are on the same, like,

you know, the same level as you. You don't come off like he's an indie guy. You don't tell John, well, this sucks and you know, I'm not gonna do it. There's a way to approach certain things, and like you just said, he has that certain aura about him, like he doesn't care who he's talking to. If I think it sucks, it sucks and I'm not doing it, you know, And that's gonna get your heat because you can't talk to top tier guys like that. Okay, it does come

off as being the dick. So from your industry experience, in your professional ear, is that why Moxley was so pissed in that interview. I if I was John and it came to me that way. Yeah, I think the approach it's coming off is like an I'm better than you, my ideas are better than yours kind of deal, you know what I mean, instead of like, well, let's just pick it apart and maybe we can change this to make this work out a little better. Like, there's ways

to communicate with people. And obviously their communication wasn't very good because it's like, my idea is good. No, your idea sucks. No, my idea is better. No, I'm not doing that. There was no like middle ground to it. And maybe if they would have taken the time to maybe say, hey, let's change this, or let me explain rock the theme of Rocky to you. You never saw this, you know, let me explain how Rocky was and maybe

punk was said, oh yeah, that's kind of cool. I never looked at it that way, like they have to expand on ideas to make somebody understand it if they don't, but don't come across as a jerk and say no, that sucks. I don't want to do that. But to me, there's just a way of talking to people. And if that's his attitude with everyone, then nobody wants to hear that. That's always if you approach something like that, it's always like, well, my ideas are better. No, I don't want to do that.

Somebody came to you and said, you know, your new show sucks, and they're a fellow podcaster, right, and and you say, well, I kind of like, you know, my idea is and what no, man, it sucks. It just blows. They don't give you a reason why they just say it sucks. You should be like me, You should do it like me. Well, I don't want to do it like you. I want to do it like me. Everybody's stuck on what they think is right, what they believe in.

But there has to be a common ground, there has to be a middle and maybe if they could have like picked something apart of work together, they could have agreed on something, not just shooting it down right away not understanding what the concept is. I don't know. Maybe Punk is just that guy who doesn't want to listen to other opinions. If that's what you're telling me, then I get where John's coming from, you know. But then again, I feel like two people should have say in the match.

It should just be one person. It should be both of them coming together for the betterment of the company and of the match itself. Now, you know, I usually asked this, Have you experienced anything like it? Have you seen anything even remotely? Not even the drama, let's take more like the match breakdown, the Punk influence on that match finish when you're hearing Moxley, Have you seen anything like just completely fall apart like this where guys just

cannot agree on a finish. And the other thing too, is that we can't discredit is where's I want? Where's Tony's input? Again? You know, Tony's a yes guy. He doesn't want to piss anybody off. So is he letting them handle it and you know, themselves and him just backing off, or is he letting the coach whoever is the coach involved in that, handle it, which the coach will probably just throw their hands up in the air

and walk away. You know, it's like, you got you got two guys that have been in the business for years. What am I going to do about it? Let them handle it. I've seen instances where guys are trying to go over matches and I've literally heard them say I don't like that, and the other guy will say, okay, what do you got? Well I thought this, Well, no, I don't really like that. Well let's think of something. I've never ever seen two guys say well, I'm not

going to do that because that sucks. I've never seen that. I don't know. I mean, I've always saw like a communication, like people trying to work together to better it. I've never seen somebody flat out and say I'm not doing that. That sucks because that's an insult. You're insulting the other guy, right, who wants to work with someone like that? I don't know.

That's just my take. If you're uncomfortable about a spot or a bump or something, you always should say something, but saying it in a nice way, Like my mom always said, uh, honey, you'll get you farther than vinegar or that, you know that old expression, like use honey instead of vinegar, Like be sweet instead of sour, because your sweetness will get you farther. Approach things with a better attitude, because if you come in with a shit attitude,

you're not gonna get anywhere. People are just gonna look at you and be like, Oh, that guy's got a chip on his shoulder. You know. I think he'll be back. I mean, I wouldn't mind seeing him wrestle again. I thought he was very talented, you know. But if it's going to cause all disruption in the locker room amongst everybody, like, is there anybody on punk side in that locker room? Anybody? Just one person? Does he have one friend there? Yeah? Well, I mean FTR loves him, Okay, And there was a

couple of the younger guys. I think it was Powerhouse. Hobbs was another guy that came out and defended Punk. So he does have allies, and he does have some folks that do find him to be a nice fella. But you know, that's a very small group pileon. So I think he'll be back. But I think it's because the contract weighs a lot. I think he carries still a lot of weight in the sponsor world, and that's what we're here for, folks. We're here for the money. I you know, maybe he will come back and realize

let's be a little more humble. If that's the case. Again, I you know, we weren't prevy to these conversations. It's he said. He said basically, you know what I'm saying. Like, I didn't hear any of this firsthand, so I don't know what's going on. But if you come back with a better attitude and a team player attitude, then by all means, like I'd hold the door open for you

because you want what's best for the company. I wrote down a quote from Moxley, and this probably fits the punk scenario, and this probably fits like everybody's mindset from whatever era of wrestling you come from. Moxley says, you have to evolve. Most people are stuck in whatever era of wrestling they came from, and that's probably where Punk's from. Whatever he came from, whatever he was around, it's probably

where he's stuck and he just won't change. Yeah, but John's been around for a while too, But he in the interview, he says he evolved, he evolved, and he's going to ago he's yeah, yeah. If the business has changed, I'll say it, it's it's changed by leaps and bounds since I started completely different. So I agree with that statement one hundred. But I also feel like, you know, being being humble and not walking in like you're the

shit will get you much farther in the business. And just you know, trying to just work with people and listen to their ideas even if you don't like them. There is a way to go about it and not be so rude. And maybe that's why people don't dig Punk. I don't know that that could be to me that that that would be my pet peeve, Like, don't come across like you're better than everyone else because we're all here for one goal. Well, you may be right. I may be crazy. I may be crazy, but that's about

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