We ask Devon: Could there be another WWE run for The Dudleys?

Hey, everyone in and you are listening to Eyes up here with dreamin the iHeartRadio Network or wherever you get podcasts. As always, I am joined by my co host Chad.

Hello, Chadster. How are we today?

Oh, I'm awesome. I have a new name for you as well this week for me. Yes, for myself, I have.

A new name.

Okay, I've renamed myself. Instead of the gesture of jubilation, I'm the gesture of jeering because I'm never jubilant.

I'm usually jeering.

Yeah, I agree with that. Yes, I'm glad you finally have come to the revelation.

You know, I'm happy to be here.

Okay, Well that's good. Oh you're happy. That's good just to.

Be here, but not in general.

I got you. You're usually your miserable self. But that's okay. I'm glad you're happy today. We have a great guest that's coming on in a couple of minutes. But let's do just a quick recap. Anything going on in your world that I need to know about.

Oh man, it's another in my world specifically, But you know, the wrestling world is pretty crazy right about now, and I'm loving every second of it. Say yeah, I haven't been this into, uh to what's going on in in WWE in quite a while. Their television product has been pretty, uh pretty goddamn entertaining, So I have to tell you it's been quite fun to be a fan watching the product.

I have to Well, the main event story, I'll just say, is.

This because you're a mega rock fan.

I think maybe just because of the old school flavor of the rock.

I think that's it.

But the rest of the players are doing their part too. It's not just him, it's everybody else. It's it's Cody, it's Roman, it's seth Rollins, it's Stepford, everybody, Paul Hayman, it's everyone involved is doing their part. It's but it's cool as a fan. So that's what Personally in my life, my life's.

Always in chaos.

But from a wrestling point of view, I got to say loving it.

Okay, Well, that sounds good. I have not been watching as usual, per yus with me trying to keep up with it a little on social media, but I haven't really seen anything. And then again, like you know, Wrestle Media Week and I'm gonna be extremely busy. I don't know if I'll have a chance to watch, but maybe I'll watch it when I come home, and uh, you know, if I hear it's it's good, which it probably will be. Let's you know, let's just say that right now. But

Just like, good lord Arnold, I want to see it.

He's everywhere. He didn't get to meet him, but he you know, Arnold was on the panel a couple of times, so he got to see him. But he met a lot of the pro bodybuilders.

Michael hearn he met awesome.

Yeah, and I don't know the other guy's names. He was telling me a bunch of the guys he met, but very cool and he had a really good time. So I took the kids down to ac and did a little swimming, a little cuisine, got to walk laps around the casino, which was you know, that was our exercise, just kept walking. It's hilarious because this one lady like got a bonus on her slot machine, and my son goes, wait a minute, everybody stop, she has a bonus. We have to watch and see what she would.

Okay.

I was like, listen, kids, do not gamble. You save your money, you buy houses and cars, and you do not come here. You do not gamble. This is just the place where we're We swim, we eat, we have a good time. So uh, it was fun, but you know it was It was a nice little getaway for us and had.

A nice Time's awesome.

We do back. Yeah, no gambling when I'm with the kids, No gambling, none, just found though I look around the floor to see, like what machines are hitting, like I need to I need to know what's going on, you know what I mean. Like I'm always like because you know, with the kids, you're not allowed to step on the carpet. You have to stay on the marble floor. Kids are not under twenty one, you're not allowed on the carpet. So my eyes are always open and I'm always looking around.

Very cool.

Yeah, fun, fun stuff. And by the time you hear this, my weekend I'll be over. But I'm in Chicka Laca Laco, Ohio. It was a great show. Me and Sandman had a great time, and.

I just can't wait to hear the travel stories.

Oh yeah, hopefully it'll be some some you know, shenanigans going on, because there always is. It's never a smooth sale, you know what I mean. There's always something. Hopefully it's it's not too bad, but when I'm with the Sandman, anything can happen. So uh yeah, and Todd Gordon was supposed to come with us, and then his Oh my god, that is a story in itself. It would take me an hour to explain. But everything that's screwed up and

And.

You know, this menopause is killing me. I gained weight again.

Oh man, I'm dying.

I'm fasting. I'm doing the inter minute fasting and I'm trying to watch what I eat and it's just like it's killing me. I just don't know what else to do.

I think I have sympathy pains for you.

You should because it's very hard being a woman.

It's very hard being a man.

Hopefully I want to go get out of here. It's so much harder.

Being a you know how, you know how I am.

I can drop weight like that, and right now I'm not.

I'm dropping no weight like this. I'm not doing are you?

Are you eating more? Because I'm not like I'm not eating more.

I'm doing my I'm not as strict as I've been in past with diets. More about water drinking from me and in the current situation, I mean, I can't have access to water because I can't leave my designated areas fast to use the restroom. Oh right, but but that's a key factor for me, is water drinking and water removal from my body.

But I'm doing.

Pretty good, I thought with my diet. But no, I'm not just not seeing results. So I got sympathy pains for you, right.

Yeah, it's rough.

I was like, can I just go to the plastic surgeon and just light though my whole body. Just stick that vacuum in me and suck everything out. If there's facts that stuck out, I don't even know. I don't even know what's going on. But I get on the scale and I literally give the scale the double finger. I get so mad every single time I get on that scale because I'm you know, I'm watching what I eat.

Here we go.

Oh yeah, So this is a very good friend of mine who's tardy to the party. But I won't forgive him today. Divon Dudley, hall of Famer, Hall of famer in my heart, with the hall of Fame. I like that.

Huh you k No, I was trying to find my pods.

Well, your mouth isn't look his mouth isn't in sync with what he's saying.

He's here, and that's what's important.

All right.

I won't look at your mouth. I'm gonna look. I'm gonna stare into your eyes. My dear, how are you, my friend?

I'm doing good, doing good, not bad, not bad. Get in sleep no.

No, So let me just let me just say. When I was in Florida, I got to have dinner with Devon and his lovely wife and his lovely, lovely children. And they're a handful.

Oh God, you have.

Gorgeous family, beautiful, beautiful children. But the two little Are they four and five? The girls?

The girl? Yes, they're four and five.

Okay, so four and five years old. I'm thinking they're gonna be like dainty, very sweet, which they were very sweet, but because of their dad, they wrestled the whole time. We were trying to like sit and like have like an adult cushion. They were body slamming each other, throwing each other into the There was a glass coffee table in our room, and I was just like, oh my god, they were crazy. So yeah, your daughters, your your daughters are beautiful. They took a liking to me. They were

Yeah, pretty much.

This kid has the strongest neck that I've ever witnessed in his head was constantly back just staring at me. Is this lady? This is not my mother? But it was so nice because you know, I've seen you at conventions and stuff, but it was just so nice being able to just sit there and like break bread and just shoot the shit and not worry about working.

I mean, yeah, it's always to me.

It's always a pleasure to do something like that when you are with friends, especially from the past and people that you created history with, just to sit relaxed, talk about some of the old stories but then talk about some new stuf stories that we might not know of or remember and uh or that we should say that we created. So it's always good for that. I love I love doing.

Things like that.

Yeah, it was a lot of fun and I was I was glad we made it happen, and hopefully next year if we uh, if we come back, we'll do it again.

Absolutely.

Yeah. But I talked about your daughters. Now some people may not know this, most do, but your sons, your twins are actually doing things in the business. Now, do you want to talk about them a little bit?

Yeah?

So Talenton Twell, they did a couple of things in a w They were in a huge storyline with Pope and myself and TNA.

So they've been they've been around for a while. Yeah, you know, doing that thing.

But yeah, I mean I get asked about them more than when people come to see me at the autograph signing as your sons. Oh, yes, sons were here. Your sons were there. Your sons are over they're over there. Listen that I'm not. I was nowhere near as over as my boys.

That was a great storyline, it was. It was intense at some points. You know, they were they were a big part.

Of the show. Yeah, they were.

I mean they were only they were the only high school kids at the time that I knew that was on pay per view and making money.

So that's about absolutely.

So let's talk. Let's talk. Let's put you over and let's talk about you. Who cares about your kids? I don't care about them.

I want to talk about you.

How are you feeling people might not know you had surgery about a year ago?

Yeah, I had back surgery.

They fused there four or five and then that's one I sometimes, you know, I was just talking to DDP because I've been I've been having like little chronic pains in the lower back, and that comes with surgery. So there's nothing abnormal. You know, when the weather's cold, you know, the body or the back hurts. When it rains, you know,

You didn't stretch before you came to see me? Because he was walking in front of me elevator, and I was like, hey, old man, yell, a little limp going on. But then I was limping right behind him, so it's okay. Dinner. We were talking about all our ailments.

Yeah, I wish I would have saw DDP first, be far had the surgery would be different. I don't know.

It's you know, I've seen testimonies from other people that DDP has helped.

Uh.

There was just a new testimony by Butterbean where he could bully, he couldn't even walk, and now he's walking straight up talking about having another boxing match. There's another guy that I first heard about. He used to jump out of the airplanes and basically had the two not walking but the two uh with crutches that hooks onto his forearms, and he was walking like that he could barely move.

And now he's running marathons and everything.

Wow.

And I was like, man, if I would have went to see him first, it could have maybe worked.

May not, you know, maybe you wouldn't have got the surgery.

You're saying I wouldn't know.

I don't know if I would have. I'm not saying I wouldn't have gotten it.

I would have tried the DDP yoga first and his methods on how he's helped people all before I went and got it.

Because I did.

I tried everything possible before I had the surgery to alleviate the pain and all of that, and nothing seemed to work. So the only thing that was left was back surgery.

Well, you know they, I mean, look at the job that we had for the longest time. And the people always say like, oh, well, if you go to wrestling school, they teach you how to bump correctly, and it's like, it doesn't matter if you bump correctly or don't bump correctly. Your body is going through trauma every single day. It's not normal to take a excuse me to take a back bump or to you know, fly off the top. That is not normal. And every little move you make is trauma.

Well, God never intended your body to do things like that. No, man, did you know?

We had to take each other down and show who was strong strong like bull and next thing you know, pro wrestling was from.

It's just you know, everybody, well, if you trained, you should be okay, and it's just like dude, no, you're not okay. You can take one bump your whole life, and you don't have to be a wrestler. You can trip down the stairs and screw your whole body up for the rest of your life. So continuing to you know, bump every night like you guys did, you're gonna come across some health issues.

You know, sometimes I look, I go, God, look at Jeff Hardy. You know, look at Jeff Hardy, look at rv D. Some of the things that they've done, they didn't need back, So what the hell am I doing wrong?

They're still going?

Which is still going?

I heard a little birdie, not so little big birdie by the name of Bubba Ray Dudley, and he was saying, you know, maybe you guys are gonna do another loop around the world or something as a tag team.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, we talked about it. You know, of course, you know that we're gonna give give you with the greatest hits.

You know, we don't have to do anything.

To try to reinvent the wheel or anything like that where you know, we go back. We're gonna just give the fans exactly what they like and what they missed. So we're gonna hit the greatest hits It's kind like Kiss, the rock group Kiss, you know, when they when they were they had to make up on and doing all the old songs, rock and roll all night, you know, all of those good hits. People loved them. The minute

Let's just go out there and have fun and hit the greatest hits.

Nostalgia. Nostalgia, that's what people want.

Mm hmm.

Yeah, And you could give it to him. Can we see the what's up? What's up?

Well, maybe we'll do the what's up when Bubba's up on that top rop doing so reverse it.

Yeah, you're just holding legs open, just holding them. Hey, that's a good position to be in fun. Man, hold the woman's legs open or guy, if you're into that, that's fine.

Yeah.

Three D maybe, oh yeah, definitely three D, which I told him the other day. I would have taken that from you. Guys, no problem, it never happened.

Yeah, no, never happened. You got away, you were protected.

They got away.

You were protected by three of the toughest men, and Shane Douglas, Bam Bam Bigelow and Chris Candido, so the Dudleys couldn't touch at that point.

Yeah. But I also feel like if you came into the company earlier than you did, you would have been feuding with the pit Bulls, and I would have taken.

That from you.

Well, I mean again, that would have been the Dudley's. We did actually work together. My first match I think a c W arena. It was me and Bubba versus the pit bulls.

Was with them.

Yep, you were with them and you beat the hell out.

Of uh oh Chubby and dancing dancing.

You had these seven inch I'm gonna say there was seven inches.

And were standing on freaking uh dancing with Dudley's freaking going back and forth, up and down, trying to keep him down till you were trying to beat them up. I remember looking at that, I go, this is not wrestling.

I go, what the hell am I doing here?

Wwf, Hey, that's what I was told to do, you know?

Oh yeah, I know, and I remember you you basically I see I turn around and see that, and then I start going after you, like walking towards you. It was like Jason going after the girl that he.

Wants to kill somebody that slow you know, ye to the girl.

And we were doing that around the ring until I believe Anthony jumped down and hit me in the back of the head of the ring.

And then that was the night that you got a power bomb?

Was it?

Yeah?

You? So later we did the four corners match, I suppose yep. So it's funny because we didn't work together too much, but there's one match and when I had Bubba on and I wish I could we could pull it up to show you it because it's hilarious. I don't know if I didn't have anybody to work with that evening. But Paul made me come out when the Dudleys were in the ring. It was I think, I guess it was a house show. It was never for TV.

It was.

It was such goga. It was ridiculous. I end up beating up all of you, and then Spike comes out and does like some kind of death like the death drop or something. Help the acid drop. That's right. But I gave like I gave Bubba ddp's diamond cutter, I did something to you. I gave Lou a regular d d T. I mean, it was ridiculous. I beat up your whole clan.

Oh thank you by taking out by Francine. And then forty days later, I'm on the podcast, Well we were all.

When I look back and I say to myself, my god, here I am one hundred and seventeen pounds soaking wet. I got all these big men around me, and I'm beating the shit out of everybody. It is so not believable, but it was just like a little haha, gaga spot to fill. Yeah.

The great thing about stuff like that is when you look back at it, Yes, realistically, a woman in your side should not have been able to take out three guys outside. But back then ECW did things like that, and even though it didn't make sense, when you look at it, it was very entertaining.

It was how we did it right and how we pulled it off.

I got the reaction as opposed to some people that do things that don't make sense and then there's no reaction. We put a lot of entertainment and stuff like that to even though people knew that it could never happen, maybe it's a possibility it can because ECW is telling that story and that was just what we did. When you look at some of the matches that we did, oh my god, I cringe.

Thing. What's the worst match that you had to do? That you look back and you say to myself, good lord, this is ridiculous. E c W.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm not gonna say I mean we had great matches, but and I'll get to that question. What I was saying was it was like we're sitting up there, and when you look at some of the things that we're doing, stuff in front of the referee, you know, the referees watching and it's not being a dq or outside for like five twenty minutes on the outside of the ring.

You know, it's like, what the hell were we thinking?

But because we made it so entertaining and because we captivated an audience the way we did, people suspended that and just didn't even think about the rules or what didn't make sense.

We made them believe it at that point.

Because the other people were following the rules. The other companies were cookie cutter following the rules, and we took it outside the box and did things differently.

That's why we were That's why we were the Nevada Nevadavana Nevana.

We were the Nevana of pro wrestling. There's no different than Nirvana Nevana. When you know you have Martley Crue, Metallica, you know, all these hair bands that are just killing it in the eighties, and it didn't seem like anybody was going to take them down. Then Navana came in and just kicked down the door and said, nope, we're breaking the rules. We're gonna be sad, pissed off. We're

I'm so sad, you.

Know, and it's like, oh my god, it's that Seattle feel that they you know, that you always hear about. But you know, it was one of those things where when Havana did that, it just opened up.

A whole new door for music.

And it was what we did and we see W we kicked the door down and did the opposite of what should have been done right.

But when we did it, we did it good and did it.

Very entertaining and fun.

Yep, So I forgot what the other question was.

When you look back at your career, it doesn't even have to be in ECW, just matches that you've been a part of you. You were saying, like you look back sometimes and you say, oh my god, so cringe. I cringe when I think of that the worst, the worst thing, or the worst angle that you've been a part of. That you look back in your because there's things that I've done or clothes that I've worn that I'm embarrassed. I'm like, what was I thinking? Like where

So yeah, t and a TNA match pay per view, the fish market, street fight.

The fish market.

Yeah, yeah, they had fish line, they had fish on ice. Oh h and nothing to that. This has nothing to do with Curryman, who was Christopher Daniels and shock Boy. Loved those guys, love working with them. But I hated this. I don't like fish. I don't eat fish. I hate the smell of fish. And it's real fish on ice, like like you had a fish market, and of course you know people picking fish up and throwing it and hitting people with it. I remember looking at curry Man.

I said, you do? It becomes real. Do not hit me. Do not hit me at all with a fish gimmick?

Like, what's the point it was?

Vince russo Enough said, I.

Have never like does that make sense.

To go to Well, it wasn't it?

You had it was a regular match, But yeah, they go outside and take the fish and hit each other as a weapon. Now that was where the rules were, like, Oh it was It's like a street fight. There are no rules in a street fight. You can have a regular match, but you can use weapons.

You know.

God, I would throw up.

I threw out my wrestling gear. Oh it was that bad.

What if somebody just picked up a fish and just smacked you across the face?

Well, Curry and Curry Man Daniels a great but shock Boy forgot that. I said that to him. He got caught up in a moment and he took the fish. He hit me. As soon as he hit me, I went, potato, God, goddamn fish.

Oh my god, I'm gonna have to look that match up because I have never I've never even heard of that one.

It was good. I hated that match to this day. I said it was the worst match because again I never liked it. And I remember telling I remember saying something to Russo. I said, we have to do this match. Oh, bro, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. Bro, it's gonna be good. I'm telling me, people gonna love it. Bro, it's gonna be great. And I'm like, you feel a ship. He goes no, bubbas. He goes bubbas, He goes Bubba's uh, Bubba's cool with it. I looked at Bubba, he goes.

Bubba's face.

I'm just like russo you're lying. I was like, this is a god awful, man.

This How how many like big fish were there? Like? Did they have boxes of fish around the ring?

Is that?

No?

You ever go you ever go to Chinatown or market? It was a fish market, you know, like the little trade. The big trays that they had they filled up with ice and then they put the fish on top.

Okay, so it was just like one one.

They had like a whole line of it. They had, yeah, and they had fish and all that on there.

It was. It was bad. The smell was horrible.

The fans like, I mean, did stars ship Nelson?

He's never given me five stars and any of the man it gives.

Me negative stars.

Not even in the freaking TLC match. I think we got like two.

Oh my god, that's terrible.

But while people still talk about those matches today thirty something years were awesome. Still please but so, I mean, I don't know what his problem was.

But you know, hey, it is what it is his own what well, you know, you. Two guys may see a wrestling match and love it, and I may hate it, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna, you know, out of one to ten stars, I'm gonna go, okay, get to two. It may get it two for me, but not not not everybody else should you know, take it as you know, you know everybody else.

Is gonna look at it. The two match.

Yeah, I just feel like I feel like back then e c W never got like not that it means anything but the rating system from him, but I feel like none of our guys got a lot of stars for the match.

Well, I know a lot of our guys didn't like him. It was pissed off at him.

But I also know that you're right, none of us got any of those stuff. But remember a lot of people thought e CW was barbaric, right, They didn't like ECW, even some of the veterans in WCW or WWE.

I'm gonna say that wwf Y.

You know, basically did not know or understand what we were doing, and they would saying and a lot of them would say.

What we were doing was garbage and this and that.

Until the fans started catching on and watching and then showing their love and support, and you couldn't go to an arena that wasn't an ECW show, but it was like a w CW or WWE show where the fans would hijack the show and start channing Ecwright. You know, it was then that people's eyes started to wake up. So, you know, Nelson might not have believed in what we were doing, but that's fine. But again, what is it thirty.

Thirty thirty forty?

I feel like it makes me feel too.

Yeah, it's not quite close to it, but.

People still talk about it. You know. It's it's all those things where it's unbelievable. Yeah, oh my, can we.

Just can I just take this in right now? We're so the fish We're for those listening, Uh, we're watching the Fish Market Street Fight right now from two thousand and eight TNA Destination x So. Buba's going for a fish for Shark Boys. Shark Boy's going for a net to let y'all know. Oh, Buba's moving to the fish. Okay. Oh, shark Boy's got him in the net.

Okay, No, that's a curry.

Oh it's curryman. Oh I saw the Oh okay, I'm sorry I thought that was a fin on his head. Okay, so that's Christopher Daniels. Yes, oh yeah, now I see his eyes okay, good and yeah he's he's uh ah, he's dancing. Look at that. Yeah, curry man, I don't remember this gimmick dropping to the dish. I would die gross gross gross gross. That is disgusting.

Far as far away could be away.

From them, I don't think.

Could you imagine you're so excited for a pay per view, You're a big TNA fan, you can't wait to see the Dudley's right, You buy a ticket, you're in the front row, you think you got good seats, and then they put a box of fish next to you and you gotta smell it for like twenty minutes. You gotta spell, which would linger probably for the next two hours because it stinks.

I mean, you know, it sounds like it sounds like some of my earlier dates.

But enough to travel Lodge, I want to get back. You were saying that like the that's looked at us as like the Flood and Guts company and too much and blah blah bluh. I remember we did a house show one night and we it was like a mixed tag. He did, right, And we were doing all these like cool spots and this and that, and I mean, we've probably had like maybe five hundred to one thousand people

We did something. I didn't learn about that in terms of doing stuff like that until I got to WWE, right, because vets from the eighties were still there late eighties that is, and you know they had a lot of them had the same mentality because it was the old school way of thinking. So the new school way of.

Thinking, like you were describing how you felt about it, it hadn't really registered yet.

It was just that, you know, let's get out, let's get through this match and get to the next town and help you know, get the TV with no injuries. And that's just the way it was.

Yeah, But as as a couple, you know, sometime went on, you know, some of the vets, you know, we would do somewhat similar the same match, but we would change a little bit off right, you know, to make it a little bit different because you never know who drove, you know, three four hundred miles to the next town, and you know, you don't want them predicting what we had already done in the town the night before. So you know, it was always we changed it up a little bit, not too much, just a little.

Bit, but that's and that's fine because we we we would do like the same thing. We changed some spots here and there. But to say, why did you work so hard? To me, that's the first thing that came out of his mouth when we came in the back. Why'd you work so hard out there? And I'm thinking to myself, why wouldn't we work hard like they bought it to get, just like you would buy a ticket if it was a pay per viewer or a TV taming.

I don't know if Terry Taylor would actually agree with that method now, being that he is one of the producers and NXT and I say that because you know, you got to teach these kids they have to work work hard for what they.

Do, not just to get the TV.

So I'm sure Terry Taylor is being a producer on the live events and this and that, I don't think he has that same mentality.

Anymore, even though he's not wrestling.

But again, I understand what he meant by that because that was the way they did things back then.

Didn't make it necessarily make it right, yeah, but.

I'm sorry, necessarily make it wrong, but didn't necessarily make it right either. But that was just the way they were able to save their bodies, you know, because remember back then, being on the road for fifty days straight or forty to fifty days.

Straight was normal.

Yes, so they were home maybe three to four days, maybe a week if they were lucky. So you know, they were constantly traveling in out of cars, some airplanes and things like that. So they were really trying to conserve their body. Yeah, not really, but I definitely understand both ways. But I understand Terry's logic and thinking of it, and I definitely understand your way of lodge and thinking of it.

Because that's what we did fifty five years ago when we were just starting sixty. We've been here for seven years since. Mc man. Any comments, Oh Man, did you hear about what's going on?

I heard.

I'm still shocked at a lot of stuff that I've read and heard.

But you know, scene anything, scene, I.

Never saw it.

Now, even though it wasn't producer, I've never seen any foul play or anything like that. I wasn't the ones that if foul play was going on, I would have been done in front of me, you know, I was.

I wasn't part of the system.

And anyway way, shape or form if anything like that was going on, never legate allegedly.

We don't know if it's true.

Oh no, I have no idea.

Yeah, we're just do you think he's guilty?

Again, I don't know. I don't know.

Sat get it out of every guest. I try to pull it. It's not there, it's not there.

It's fine. Look, sometimes we could sit here and say.

All day long that a person didn't do something swooping down. Then all of a sudden, some huge evidence or something happens where that person is found guilty without a shadow of a doubt, and they we're like, wait a minute, we would have never believed it in a million years, you know, And you know what happened. And there's some people that are, you know, presume guilty, and yet the evidence show that they weren't guilty. So you know, you gotta let it play out in court and see what

Verdict is uh, guilty or not guilty.

You know, you know, if he was found innocent, you know, there'd be a lot of people saying, I know he was guilty, he was guilty and this and that it's still bad and he was found guilty.

I knew it. I know, you just never know.

Very pc answer, it's fine.

Mustache, Yeah, what do you think?

Do you like it?

I'm not. I'm not used to it. I'm used to clean shade vents. I've never seen him with a mustache or beard or go tea or anything.

And when we first saw it, they kind of threw a lot of us off and we I think uh one of the other producers in the when I was working with we we were in the outside of the meeting and they would show me.

I was like, what the hell? I said, who is that? And then like I was like, fucking mustag?

Wow, travel ot story. Do you have one?

I several?

I know you have several. Do you have one that you can share that's funny off the top of your head. You don't have the name names. You can call them Larry melanchurly if you want not to put anybody in an awkward spot. I gotta have one that you could tell.

Oh man, because I got.

Besides me getting so drunk, you know, here it is. You know, I was, you know, a small kid from book They never really did anything.

Never a small kid from Brooklyn.

Small kid from Brooklyn.

I don't put Devon Dudley and small in the same category.

But okay, I didn't start gaining wait until it really after my fourth or fifty year in the wrestling and then when I got to E c W, because that's when I started taking, you know, taking training seriously.

I should have took it seriously back when I was starting, but I didn't. I was just trying to learn how to wrestle.

Right right. So tell me the story. You got so drunk. Where were we were?

We somewhere we were We had the travel arget and we went that bar downstairs and I just remember not ever going out drinking like that ever. And I had to get carried out of the bar up to my room. At least I thought it was my room. Somebody put me somebody else in the room. So I pass out. I wake up and this guy goes, hey, Divine, I go, what the fuck. I go, Yeah, who the hell are you? Why are you in my room? He goes, Divine, you're in my room. I was like, it's like, who the

I was.

Like, you've been sitting here watching me sleep. He goes, I didn't want to wake you.

Wait, wait a minute, who brought you up there? Did you ever find y'all?

No, I don't got passed out.

I wonder because it's funny because we were talking about this at dinner in Florida and Devon was like, man, he goes, when I came to ECW the first time, he goes, I was scared. He goes, I didn't do any of the stuff y'all were doing. I go, I didn't do it either, And I still didn't do it when I Yeah, we drank, but we weren't part of the drug crowd like our party and was going to the bar and having a couple of cocktails and stuff. But we you know, we weren't there snorting cocaine or

I don't.

Know. I didn't know anything about bills nothing, right, I knew nothing about that.

Yeah, and he was so cute. He's like, oh my god, he goes. I looked around and I was just so scared, and I was like, yeah. But after a while, it just becomes like the norm. And you know, we were all friends, but everybody had the clicks that they hung out with. If you didn't do drugs, you didn't hang out with

It.

the drug people. But we once we were in the locker room, we all hung out together.

I mean it was so it was really cool, like transtance. You know. A guy, some kid came over and looked at Sam and and said, is he all right?

But I said, no, he's just drunk. He's probably sleeping. The guy goes, he's on next. I said, I don't worry about it. As soon as his music hit, somebody that's happened, and he'll get right up.

You know.

It's great. Yeah, And that's what's great about it. Do you remember the night that Tammy started the fight with the Mummers. You had to have been there, you had to have been in it. She went outside in the back in the parking lot, you know, out the back door. Remember the Mummers were on top of where we were, on top of the arena, and she said something to one of the mummers, and I think one of the mummers called her a slut or something, and she caused

No, I don't think I was there.

I swear you were there.

If he gave me a year, because remember we left, we left in ninety nine.

I don't know what the year was. I swear you were in there. Knew Jack was was like shanking people, probably like it was a mess. But there were three people who didn't go outside, me Shane Douglas and Hack Sandman and Sandman Status he was doing lines of coke. Well, everybody was fighting, and Man Shane were looking out the window watching the fight. But everybody because Tammy started this fight, and I sware you were in it.

Yes, you guys were in it. I don't think we were there for that one.

Okay, I'm gonna have to ask if he remembers that, because I vividly do. And the whole locker room poured out and just everybody was fighting in the parking lot.

Yeah, I don't remember ever having getting into a fight and at the ECW Arena.

I don't.

I mean other places I remember getting into fights like Staten Island or you know, a lost Battalion hall in Queens, but I don't remember getting a fight at the DCW arena with fans.

The fight the fights that you got in, was it because of the promos that you and and Bubba you know, dictated, because some of those were really.

Yeah, the one in Staten Island was really raunchy and bad and if you could believe it, it even beat the heat Waved ninety nine one, and you know the one that we're most famous for. And somebody took a swipe at Big Dick Dudley.

Why they do that?

He jumped the railing and went after the guy and next thing you know, me and Bubba goes deevint, we gotta go, we gotta go. I was like, oh shit, And I remember jumped the railing.

I went out to go. People are jumping on us, swinging on us. So Bubba goes devon, he goes assume the position. I was like, here we go. We turned to the ball, we talked about the balls. Boom.

It was like a brawdroom fight with freaking Patrick Swayze and Roadhouse, all the people that it was freaking phenomenal, and then all of a sudden, the riot cops came with the dogs and I was like, all right, stop this ship, go back in the ring.

The riot cops came with the dogs, and the locker room fled because how many people had on the crazy Do you want to plug your socials or any appearances that you have coming up?

Yeah, I'll be in Ohio and god.

Lockwood, Chicka Cop. I'm there to this weekend. But this airs after this weekend. Are you there Saturday?

Yeah, I'm there too.

I'll see you. Oh yeah, I'm gonna be there too.

Yeah about being Chilicoppy Ohio and doing all of that good stuff. And I'll also be at the big event in Long Island me too, coming up.

Yep, I'll be there for that one.

Uh and then the big one Wrestle Con weekend.

Yes, it's weekend. I'll be there for that.

One and Icons and and Battleground at the area double duty. I get to see Devon. I'm so excited. I'll see you so many times.

Absolutely, this is awesome.

I'm happy. Well, I appreciate you coming. Devon's two timer. Now, we were aiming for the five time Club. I have guess this is your No, you're not a two timer, Taylor. He's not a two tim uh No, like I think Shane Douglas. Shane, I think is the first one to be in the five time Club on Saturday Night Live. Did you ever see it with Steve Morton? He's like, I'm a five timer. They do that. They have a VIP layer. So you're a two timer. So you have to come on three more times to be in my club.

I'll be good to go, where to go whenever you want.

I love you, buddy. Well, thank you for coming on again. I was so happy to see you a couple months ago. We'll do it again when we can. But well, let's hang you out this weekend. Coming up, I'm sorry, we'll hang you out this weekend.

Oh yeah, absolutely sweet. I just gotta get me a nice steak and I'll be good to go.

Yeah, maybe we can do dinner. Are you on the night show too, because I'm not.

I'm just sniging. We're not in chilli coffee.

Oh you have a you have a you're driving somewhere else.

No, no about chilli coffee.

Yeah, chilli coffee.

Oh there's a night show.

There's a night show.

I didn't know that. Yeah.

They put me on the poster and they were like, oh, she's doing the night show. I go, I am not no way. And I think they thought because I was there, I would just graciously just do it for free.

Yeah.

No, I was like, no, I don't know. That's not happening. So after I sign them off, so maybe we can do dinner or something.

Yeah, let's do it.

Let's get all well, I'll see you there.

You got.

Was always open for you though. All right, everybody, Devon go follow him, go go buy Yes, there you go. All right, buddy, I'll talk to you too.

Bye.

So fun.

Divon testified they were some they were some good stories from Dalner.

Absolutely, yeah, this was.

This was really good. I was happy to see him again. Like I said, we we reminisced at dinner. Those I mean, if those wolves can talk, we were. We were just telling stories and we were popping each other because things that I didn't remember, things that he didn't remember. And eighty seven years went by and it was like it was yesterday. So it was great.

Yeah, what's awesome about Devon and I'm sure fans that listened to this met him in person. The intensity that he has on air complete opposite when he when.

He's so awesome to listen to.

He's so chill, hang it out, and he's he's laughing, you know, like so yeah, it's great.

He's great.

He's great.

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Yeah, that's great. Well, do you have anything that Oh we forgot to ask him about Paul Haman.

Oh my gosh. Well we'll just have to take care of that ourselves.

And yeah, so Paul Haman real quickly getting inducted to the Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty four for WWE. I put something up thanking him one the Twitter machine or X as it's called now. He didn't reply, but that's okay, no worries about that. But just you know, without him, I wouldn't be sitting here. So well deserved. I mean, you know, he goes back longer than ECW. He's been around w CW days, started as a photographer as a kid. I mean, he's been around for quite

Well, one guy was taken out.

Of Well, my first my first thought, when you know months ago, would have been Brock Lesnar, but he's kind of like, uh am, I A, now he's kind of missing. So you know, who do you think that's the nod here?

It's a damn good question. I mean, I've seen some names thrown around. I have to say, you'd probably have to go with Roman at this point. I think you elevated Roman to such a higher point as a heel, and they've been so closely associated.

To the current fan base for the last three years. I would say would make sense because.

Of that butt you're in Philly, So does it make more sense to go with a more ECW centric name. I saw somebody suggest RVD. I saw somebody suggest Tommy.

Dreamer, so.

I saw Harry Slash earlier before we started. So, I mean there's a ton of speculation between now and then.

Will be massive.

I'm sure, yeah, But you know, the guy who everybody would have pegged would have absolutely been Brock. But also don't discount see him Punk because them Punk would be the name. I think that would make every side happy. I think the ECW fan would be happy with that, and I think the WWE fan would be happy with that.

Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see who they go. With rumors circulating, again, only rumors, and I think it's fan made rumors that ECW collectively as a group is going to be put into the Hall of Fame and they're gonna pluck four or five of us to go up there. I don't see that happening, but I could be one hundred percent wrong. Who knows. I don't know. It is Philly. They're looking for that cheap pop. Yeah, so you never know what they have up their sleeve.

How about the fact that, you know, I just noticed that we talked about obviously the WWE two K two four game, right, the Sandman is actually a downloadable character.

Right, So Sandman is low key kind of in the good graces.

If he knows that, I wonder he's on the commercial like he's in the game.

He's one of the characters you can download.

Imagine if they picked Sammy Yeah to be the one yeah, Philly. Imagine the bleep they'd have to have ready, they'd have the finger on the button to be one long bleepntes.

He would have to get somebody to write a speech. You know, because I always say this about Hacks. He's a smart guy, but he's not very articulate. And his text message is prove it. It's like a fourth grader's texting me. He doesn't spell the words. He shortcuts everything and doesn't use capitalization, punctuation.

Doesn't doesn't needed to make a point.

Yeah, when is his Dark Side one? Do we know a date?

I don't know.

The only one I saw the first one airing was John Tenta.

And when is that? Did it start already?

That is technically in real time? Tuesday, March fifth, that was the first episode. Yeah, so I don't know when today his episode is correct?

Okay, I sent my DVR so I don't miss his episode because I really there's a couple I want to watch. I want to watch him. I want to watch Sherry Cherry.

I forgot they were even doing Sherry. That is when we absolutely have to talk.

Definitely want to because I love her and I want to watch hers. And there there's a couple in there that I'm interested in, but Hacks number one for me. So I'll try to find out some more info this week.

And like I said, right now, I found the list. This is what they've released so far. John tent To week one, Buff bag Well week two, Terry Gordie week three, and Brutus Beefcake week four.

Okay, so we have a month before Hackey comes on. All right, good again, I'll talk to him this weekend so I'll see what's going on. But uh, sounds good. I'll give me something to watch. I like it. Yeah, all right? Where can people follow you?

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