To hell and back with Perry Saturn!

Hey everyone, this is between Eachtween Francine and you are listening to Eyes up Here Within on the iHeart Radio Network or wherever you get your podcasts. As always, I am going by my co host Chad guys Chad Rockinson's song he loves.

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Off pretty high. I just sent the link. Our guest is ready to go. I am so excited to talk to him. I saw him this past weekend. I was at the big event in Long Island, New York, and I was signing with Tommy Dreamer and Tommy goes, is.

That so and so?

And I was like, oh my god, it is because I haven't seen him literally.

Probably since e c W.

Wow. Really I don't think I've.

Ever seen him at any conventions.

And maybe he can help me out with that one.

Yeah, because he left kind of early.

From Easty Yeah, like as you guys were heating up, he kind of that's when he left.

I can't remember what year. We can ask him.

But I was so happy to see him, and I sat with him for a while and uh, just you know, caught up with him.

What's he doing? Because I've always.

Heard like different stories, but I never knew what to believe, and you know, sometimes people exaggerate and all this kind of stuff.

But I'm I'm ecstatic to.

Have him and I can't wait to dive in and talk to him.

I got it.

The date where he made his debut for the other company is insane when I tell you what it was.

Okay, Well, he just texted me ready and I'm like, you have to click the link.

Like the link, it's so cute. Lets this way.

He left ECW okay and jumped to another organization and made his debut there in September of nineteen ninety seven.

So he wasn't with us that long. It felt like they were.

So that meant he left there twenty seven years ago. There we go, do you connect it?

Wait a minute, now, there was a bar dead head enter in it and I never pressed it.

I didn't realize. I was just now, well, I didn't get.

To introduce you. Everybody. This is Perry Saturn.

Have one of the greatest tag teams I've ever seen in my life, the Eliminators, if you've never seen them. Him and Cronus were unbelievable in the Ring in E.

C W.

I'm not really sure if they worked anywhere else. Let's talk about it here he is again.

Yeah, I'm sorry. I won't touch no more buttons until Yes.

First of all, I just gave you a hell of an intro. I said you were one of the greatest tag teams I've ever seen in my life. And that's the honest of God's truth, even though you beat the living hell out of me, and it's still love you so very much.

And we loved you do because you were awesome, never complained. And I know we've potatoed the kid out of you because we potatoed everyone though, so.

You know what it was.

It wasn't ass for sure, for sure, because he's flung it around.

Some of the boys didn't want to take the finish, and we used to give it to you all the time.

I think I'm the only girl who ever took it.

We gave it the Doula once too, once took it. Oh, she didn't take it. We were supposed to give it to her something else, say you're you're tougher than all the boys because they all complained.

You know, I must have took that twenty times.

Oh yeah, and every time they looked like you got killed every time.

Yeah, I think I did.

Well already? You weigh we did? You weigh sixty pounds? Wait? John was throwing his big bad asked right at you.

I can I just say how happy I was to see you this past week. I was just telling Chad, my co host, I don't think i've seen you since ECW.

No, we haven't. We haven't.

Where can you fill us in? Where have you been?

Because that's the first thing I asked you, Like, where have you been all these years?

Why I spent I spent uh until about a decade ago. I spent my most of my adult life high on something. Yeah. Yeah, now I'm sober, which sober addict is the most boring person alive. You don't do anything.

We had a great conversation this weekend.

No, I can still have a conversation, but I'm not going to do anything exciting like I you to do? Well?

What There's so many things that you could do that you don't need drugs?

I know that's half a joke. Come on, aways a deal with sobriety.

Listen, I say to Perry, how do you feel? And Perry, what have you always said to me?

Back with my hands?

With my hands? And I'm going jokes since.

Yeah, yeah, I said that for my One of my good friends when I was a kid used to say that, and I stole it from him and just kept saying it always.

You should put that on a shirt. This is your big comeback. You need to get a PW T store.

Right, I'll end up bringing me too if I put that on my shirt, because they'll take it the wrong way.

Oh my god, Perry, how long were you in e c W Because we just looked something up and it said you guys left in ninety seven?

Was that right?

I know, I thought ninety eight.

I thought it says you did. It says you debut dude, and it's just Perry.

I think it's just Perry debuted in WCW September eighth seven.

Well, then the best when I debuted in there, because I was there for a couple of years, I thought for sure, well.

You had to debut with us, maybe in late ninety five.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Then, Okay, so a couple of years here because a.

Lot of it. By the time I left about the boys weren't there anymore, you know, like nine one more, and you know, it was a whole new group of guys.

Money.

Me and John were fist fighting each other every night where you couldn't fucking team together anymore. And PAULI won't break us up.

Paul wouldn't break you up.

Nope, no pizza Paula. Pauli was always great to me. I have nothing negative to take. And he told me, he goes Perie, I've spent way too much money getting you guys over. There's no way I'm breaking you up.

And that's why you see I never.

Heard and I told and I told him, I go, Paulie, a good chance, I'm gonna go to W. W. Wood Scottie. Then at that paper you in Florida, And then Paulie felt, uh, maybe that I disrespect him, know something, because any strange at me in front of all the boys. I'll give a fuck go if you want to leave league. And I said, okay, Paulie, I'll be going. Where was I I don't know what was right in the building you know,

Well, I was unaware of the heat between you and John.

And we're going to show and Pittsburgh. We did whatever that was before we got into a fighting console. But over four thousand dollars worth of damage in the room.

Wow, what were you fighting over?

We were John, we were supposed to. Uh, we're at the bar and we're going to go back to the hotel. And John didn't want to go back, and I based's gonna have to go back, you know, And it was okay, let me tell these girls good bye. He left and just left me and we were like pretty far from the airport. So John got to the hotel before me, and we knew I was gonna be pissed. As soon as I get in the room, he jumped on me.

You know, Oh my god, I do you.

Remember the kids from the guys from reading, They were like a biker guys up means John gone to a fight. They tried to break us up and we beat them up, and Paul got mad. He said, you guys can't do that. We're fighting every day just.

About so you wait, you and you and John were gonna fight. You saw these guys, you end up.

Grabbed us to break us up, and when they glad us, we ended up beating the ship out of them.

And so after you beat them up, did you start beating each other up again?

Right then, PAULI was over there yelling, you know, forever, John and I got along like brothers for ever. I mean, we were together and that forever, and all of a sudden, he just, uh, his new girlfriend at the time, my wife, whoever she was, kept telling him that I was fucking them over and stuff. You know, I'm sorry, do you

Yeah, I do remember that about him.

And you know he had he had the deletion real bad. So if I tell him, you know, take our exit, uh whatever road, Martin Martin Luther King's Boulevard. If I don't tell him the exit number, He'll keep driving until I told him to get off, you know, because because he had he had that delection real bad. And you couldn't read.

This sucks you, Okay, Well I remember you guys just getting along all the.

Time, or we lived together for millions of years, you know, and we were we were we were We're in Japan for a couple of years together. We were in Memphis for over a year, you know, just everywhere. You know, I're from the same same neighborhood at.

Home, right right, so that's Boston.

Yeah, okay, So so before you even came c W, you guys were doing territories together.

We were working, we were working in uh Japan all the time. Yeah, And uh Taz contacted me one time and I sent him a tape and about three months later, Paul he called me at like three in the morning, right, and said he'd liked it, and so we came in and then when we got there, we always didn't make it to the show. We got off the plane and we started walking to the gate and lo Met was there to pick us up. Oh yeah, and she goes, are you guys be an eliminator? And I swear I

Well I'm glad you did make it. Let me ask you this.

I love you. That was the best place I ever worked, you know, as far as but everybody got along so good.

We did right.

It was like a family. We still say that to this day. And that's why I was you because I hadn't seen you in so long.

Yeah, maybe everywhere everywhere else I've been this real clique. We had a little clique thing, but it wasn't a major deal. You know, the pot had to all hung out together because they did the pot and the guys doing the stonemas were together. You know, that's your talent. But the other place, your w W W c W and w W is real clicking, you know, And so there'll be a group of guys who love you and then there'll be a group of guys who hate you. You gotta deal with both that ship all the time.

Yeah, because we I've said it so many times. I was never in the drug click. I was never in the like the drinking click and stuff. But I was friends with everyone because everybody got along with each other, you know.

Yeah, yeah, See, I worked in the office in Long Island and I was a drug addict, so I was kind of in between the two clicks. You know. Well I would have to go to Pauli's house during the week with the editing of the videos and chid and then I'm the week will not do y'all fucked up and could only walk you know.

Oh geez, Well you never knew it in the ring.

No, I never said. I never was before the math, only after right before Did.

You use total elimination before you got to e c W.

Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, that to me, that is one of the best finishing news I've ever seen.

And I'm not just saying that because you're in front of me. I've said it for.

I was going down to the performing tenor in Orlando a few times. I tried to teach a bunch of the kids down and other do it, and none of them could do it. I don't know, it's like it's it's really me have done both at black belt. We've been thrown kicks our whole fucking life. So it DJ Granton. I guess it's more difficult than what I realized because nobody ripped it off.

Oh it's it's it's a thing of beauty.

I mean it was scary to take, I'm not gonna lie, but the execution, sure, it was a great, great finisher, and I'm proud to say I was the only girl who ever took it.

So you know, thank you.

Top as Hell too took a top as Hell didn't didn't complain about it or anything, you know.

But let's not forget that you're missing something because of her as well.

She snipped something off of you, your hair.

Your hair, you know what we did. That That was my idea, okay, was because I was going I just got my haircut and I was going bald, and I told Balie, I'm not going to have a ball. We're gonna I want to chake my head and he goes, no, no, let's do something on TV with it, and I said, okay, soon, and then we did it with you guys. Was in a few weeks.

Yeah, And I always thought you were mad at me because I cut your hair.

I said, it wasn't my idea.

It was my idea. And because I got went to get my haircut and I could see ball, but my hair was stinning and I wasn't going to have the horseshoe haircut. I just couldn't do that. I love it.

Well.

Can I ask you a question? If you don't want to tell the story, you don't have to. But I've always heard over the years about how you you interjected and saved the woman who was being attacked. And I heard bits and pieces from different people, but I never heard like the full story, and I think our listeners would love to hear it from you.

What do you call it? It's uh, most of it is pretty accurate. But I was going to do to a crackhouse to get some drugs and I stumbled down to this on the way there.

Oh see, I didn't know that.

Okay, yes, because something that would just never brought it, you know, so like, uh, yeah, I just stumbled at it and you know, there's nothing and I got you in the guy guy shot me in the neck and in the shoulder.

So what you're walking to the you're walking to.

Get There's two guys on top of the girl and I run up and shove them off and grab on the one and the one I didn't grab as I turned to see what he was doing, he shot me. Oh my god, and h I ran in the shock because uh, I wasn't get in the ambulance. I was arguing with the cops and stuff because and I kept telling him no, I just punched me. I'm fine, I just got punched. But obviously I was in shock, which is probably a good thing because I don't will know

So did this happen in the in the house that you.

Were eating outside? Right outside in a shitty neighborhood in the Lando. I was out. I was headed up to the house to get to net is what I was doing, Okay, And you saw this and I just stumbled in on it day just and I don't know, and i'd never in the Georgia. I don't know if it's the same every state, but the victim's identity is very heavily protected.

Okay, So I've never been talked to the woman, and so do you know.

If they ever, Like, no one touched her after you got shot? Right, like.

The guy who shot me, I stabbed him. He went to the hospital and then the other guy ran because the cops. Somebody have called the cops already.

Oh my god. Well, you're a hero.

Not really. I was looking to get high and just stumbled in on it.

When you interjected and saved somebody. Yes, that army ranger right.

There, you saved that girl, Perry. You're a hero.

I don't care why you were there, you were you were there I believe in God. I think God put you there that night for a reason, you know, And and it's an unfortunate that you ended up getting shot, but.

You saved her, So you have to look at yourself as a he You're a hero in my eyes.

Well, I just do what I have to do.

Yeah, very admirable. So, my god, I've heard little pieces, but.

Now I never heard. Yeah, the cops came and we were I stabbed the guy, and I, like I said, I didn't know where he shot me. I had not like I was, and they had. They ended up beating us both with knight sticks and everything, trying to get us because we were fighting.

Oh my, oh you're you're still fighting? You got shot?

Yeah, Like my eyes watered. My eyes watered, and I thought he punched me, and I thought, holy fun, that was a pretty hard punch. And then because that's because I just turned and he was there, you know, I didn't see anything, and it was yeah, which is a good thing, because I'm sure I would have panic dinner and I never pannered.

Oh my god. Yeah, I'm ever heard. I've never heard half of this stuff.

So the ambulance, I wasn't getting the ambulance because in my mind, I got punched and I'm not going to the hospital getting punched. I'm arguing with them, and once I figured out that I wasn't the attacker.

You know, it wasn't there any blood coming out. I mean, you didn't see any blood or anything.

Well too bullos, so there's blood coming out, but I was in shock, so I just didn't like. I vaguely remember fitting pieces of it right, and it's just been registered in my mind. You know, I remember thinking over and over again that I got punched.

You are one tough. Let me just say, oh my god, amazing.

Well I I and forgive me for bringing it up, but I always wanted to hear it from you because people have said certain things and I was like, that doesn't seem right, you know, So I just and the.

Capital of the story is the guy went to ail while while he was in jail waiting to go to trial, he got stabbed and killed.

Oh well, there you go.

But uh so there was no there was no finality to the case, so I never got compensated.

Oh yeah, well.

They would have paid me my wrestling salary for the rest of my life probably.

Well, thank god, you're still with us.

Yeah, so why why are you back on the scene.

My friend I and you know, helping him do that. And and I'm I was so bad on drugs and and I kind of just lost myself, right and uh with probably uh, very embarrassed of the person that I became. So I didn't want to see anybody, right, Okay. And then as time, you know, like Jerichole would get on me, you know, to do something, or Raven and I and UH and Sonny and older would call me every week, you know, just about And then finally my friend and started doing the game, so I would help him, and

And how did you feel being around the boys again?

Oh, it's great, It's great.

I'm telling you, like.

Some of the guys I just spent such a large portion of my life with, you know, right, and like, uh, and we're in Vegas in August and Disco's there, and so I've seen him. I haven't seen him in twenty some years. He was one of my favorite people alive. I love Disco. It was fucking awesome seeing him. Yeah, also in the.

Yeah, Tommy sitting next to me, and he goes, is that Harry Saturn?

And we were both like what?

And then you come walking over and I'm telling you, I got so happy.

It made me so happy to see you.

Yeah. I mean, I'm as cool as shit, right because we don't. We all treat each other the same, no matter how much time has gone by. I don't have family, you know, with my wife, you know, but I don't have like my parents or nothing. I don't never talk to so everything is my friends and that's it. You also, that's a big deal to me.

Well, I'm so glad that you're you're back with us in a sense, and I hope you keep doing these things because the fans were excited to see you, but more so, we were excited to see you.

Well, I'm asking around. I'm hoping that we're going a job as an agent at one of these company. Okay, but I'm sure, I'm sure the first concern will be going and off of my drugs, you know, but and I'm not. I've been sober for ten years.

So that's great. That's great.

And I know you feel with your hands, but how do you really feel my body.

My body's broken.

Your body, well, a lot of the boys are, but otherwise, what.

Do you call it?

I'm recently getting my shit together pretty good, you know, because because being away from everything was so long, I couldn't even really imagine being that person that I used to be, you know, so I kind of was lost and I was dealing with that CTE and it took us a while to get that under control. Okay, so

Oh wow, Yeah, and they just you know, tatoos the doctor's name, and and now I don't.

Have any problems.

Well, let's change here.

Do you have a funny story that you can tell us? Like you could be an easy w could be anywhere. I always asked the boys and make the home. What's one story that picks down in your mind?

Me and John with the Memphis when we are working from all or you know, and uh, I have. It's so weird. Like the block we lived on, the hookers used to walk in front of our house and stuff. One block away was Nancions. It was so weird that they're that close together. But me and John, you know, John smoked like an old car. He smoked cigarettes non stop. So one night it was warm out and we've been he asked to get a cigarette sold him and I walked to the convenience store a mile away or something

Oh my god.

They were standing there and fucking John takes his index finger and sticks it in the barrel.

Oh Jesus.

Me and the guy are very confused and I and I noticed that his finger was out of the trigger. Guard, So I just grabbed it with both my hands as hard as I could, drifted out of his hand, and uh, John kicked him around a little bit. He wanted a gun, and I figured he would go to jail, so I threw it in the shower, okay, but I couldn't let it go. I were walking to the house and I go, John, what the fuck were you doing? Because I stick my bringing there like you know, bugs bunny, And I go, John,

Oh my god, you should elimination on him.

I thought that's where he was going.

No, No, just said because because John wanted to shoot, you know, he got all worked up and everything, and uh, he's he's fuckest finger, the big ass finger couldn't go all the way.

In the barrel, but he just right there and I'm like, everything slows down that bone bak.

Oh my god, that's thank god. He didn't pull the trigger when his finger.

Well, it would never happen to John. He would do stupid ship my cat all the time and he never had nothing bad would ever happen to him.

Funny, that's hilarious.

That's my favorite. That's my favorite non sexual story.

There you go.

I knew you couldn't get because it's just that's the only time anybody's ever pulled a gun on me either, So it was just crazy.

That's a good one.

I never heard.

God, there's so many stories I've never heard from you.

Yeah, you know, I wasn't going to say anything to John. We were walking back to our apartment, but I couldn't do it, you know, I just couldn't let it go. And I go, John, look what the fuck were you doing? And he didn't even break and he goes, you know, I stick my finger in, like what's running?

Did he think a little a flag came out of the guns on the side.

Yeah, I'm sure he probably was, just like he knew the gun would shoot him. But he I'm sure you thought that we could get the gun if he distracted the guy, you know, because because because he knows, like he's not that gun where he would really think it didn't work. But sure, like stun me and mcguy Robins.

Oh my god, he was such a big teddy bear though like.

The one of the kindest people I've ever known, loved the animals. And then for no reason, I was blue he could become a violent sociopath. We're in some in somewhere in Kentucky, and uh, I fare a bar and I thought somebody threw a beer in my thing, and I will set back, and I walked my face I'll covered in blood. Some guy walked up to John and said, milk does a body good? John few defendatory head butter the guy and shattered his fucking face. Oh my god,

See, I don't think I've ever been out drinking with you guys, so I never saw.

A couple of the boys. We wruffed up two over the years, you know.

Oh do I know them?

Sam Man I tried to beat the death the first time we worked with him.

Tell me why he's one of my best I told.

Him, I go, heck, I won't. I won't block your fucking stick. I won't. I'll feed you so many times you want to hit me because hit me in the top of my head, around my back, do not hit me in the face of my ears. And the first twing was waiting.

Okay, Yeah, he used to swing like a baseball.

He was reckless with it, you know. And I'll come down and started pounding on him, and me and John had this little law if we're if we're going to get into a shoe, what we just say Boston to the other guy, so they knew it was a shoe.

Okay.

So on on top of Samman pounding out him, John come running over springing in Boston and about Childre. He's trying to stop Saandman. Yeah, oh my goodness.

Yeah, I'm traveling to Boston tomorrow with Sandman. Actually we have a signing.

I will, I will. When's your next appearance?

Is it?

Russell?

Yeah?

Yeah, okay, will you be there all three days?

Four days? I'm there, You're there for day Yeah, I'm there four days. I don't know. Ian must have me doing something. I'm doing something every day, So, okay, are.

You working for the other show too, for Rob or you just wrestle.

I don't know. I'm I'm doing I'm doing some E c W dinner thing. I'm doing. Ian set it all up my friend and you know, and he sent me the itinerary and I just I, you know, all procrastinated, never even looked at it yet when I'm leaving. But yeah, so I'm doing a few things, like a couple, a couple of different whatever they are, you know.

Okay, Well, where where you are trying to all get together, maybe that's Saturday, if you're.

Free, there's a showing. There's a showing the arena one of them nights too, that I might go. That's just because I have seen the arena and forever, you know.

Yeah, I'm on that show to come with us.

Yeah, I'm gonna get it for sure, Okay, because I really I'm very interested in seeing me you know, because that was our home forever. Right.

Yeah, it doesn't look the same at all.

Well that's why I figured, you know, so I just to be interested in the tea different. Well, what a good one. What a rare opportunity that was for all of us.

You know, there's no hepatitis on the floor anymore. It's nice and.

Clean, but you know what I mean, working there, what none of us could have imagined it getting over the way it did. It was very lucky. I feel very lucky that I worked there. Me too.

I always say I'm proud to be an ECW original, as corny as that might sound, I'm proud to be from ECW, and people, you know, other people from other FEDS have always said I wish I got the chance to work for ECW. So we are a select group of people, so we should be proud of it because we changed the business.

You know. I think.

Some people will say we ruined the business. Well, but that just depends on which side of the table.

You're not true, it's true.

But I was going to say, if you're not doing anything that Saturday, we're all going to try to get together for like a dinner, So I'll talk to you Friday.

Yeah, for sure, for sure. You know, if I'm not like, I won't go to a bar or anything just because I have to stay sober. No, No, but I'm just saying so like I won't. I don't have plans for anything else.

Okay.

Back in the day, I would be at the bar all day and night. No, not anymore. You know, I told I told my grandson I wouldn't do drugs anymore. So I can't do them.

Well, I'm I'm super proud of you, and we'll touch face before then and try to get something settled.

But you are you aligned at all social media? Or is it just through a no?

I did Twitter for a while. The march drove me nuts. I will never get on it again. I don't care. So just because they are stupid, ship or just and I live in a real small, little hillbilly town here in Minnesota. Every day I wake up and take boy. I wish I was in Boston. So it's a little small. But they used to in the newspaper have a weekly article where people would write in and say, where have they seen me around town?

Jesus?

So I just I'll just stay away from the knots all the time.

Waldo Perry.

Uh, you know, it's just it's like I just want to be left alone, and you know they're not gonna they're.

Not going to anybody listening.

If there's any promoters or anything, uh look up wrestling organization online. That's his friend Ian. If you have any inquiries about Perry Saturn, you could go to the w o O and you can contact them and they will get a hold of parody and maybe we can get you some work that way, or if.

You talk to Sonny y'all though, because he talked to me every other day or so. Yeah, the wom things are pretty good, gimmick. I think it's gonna be you know this from what I understand about it.

He said, like I said, you know, you know he's not gonna fuck you over, not gonna lie here nothing.

You know. If he makes money, you're gonna make money. Perfect you. So so it's I vouch for him without question.

Well if then I trust you, So I trust.

And he's really my like I have a few friends, at least one of them. Good.

Well, listen again, I can I can't sing this enough. I'm so happy that we reconnected. I'm happy that you're healthy now and that you're doing well, and I'm looking forward to seeing you in a couple of weeks and hopefully we can go have dinner and relax and just shoot the ship and it'll be fun.

Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. I probably never said anything to you, but I always greatly respected you. You're always very good to work with and everything. You're a good person to be around. So I'm glad we met up too.

Thank you, Perry and and same to you.

I enjoyed working with you, and I just hope I get to see you more often.

So happy looks like it looks like we will now And.

Yeah, yeah, that's great, Chad. Do you have any questions while we have them?

I'm just so happy that he's here. I'll ask the more questions. How about that before he goes? How about that, I'll ask you I ask more questions.

All right, let's see.

You know, I don't think I don't think I ever interviewed you. I might have met you at at a convention back in the day.

That's what could sound familiar to me.

Maybe back in the day. I think we might have crossed paths. So let's go back. Let's go back to the eliminators, right, let's go back to the the.

The e CW Invasion of Raw.

You guys were the first ECW talent to hit the TV. What was that like for you guys that day when you stepped through the locker room of the WWF representing ECW.

Huh uh? It wasn't no big like I knew most of the boys, you know. It was like it meant more to the people watching than you did to me. It was just my job. And it was nice to see guys. I like World War at Hawk. I was even with him in Japan a million times, you know, So it was nice seeing him. But it was like we didn't do anything with their guys. Paulie had to hit somebody with the finish Paul We brought the guy. It was an ECW guy. It wasn't an Evince guy.

Yeah, did they ever want to bring you in?

Because you seem like if anywhere you two would have gone, it would have been to Vince.

So were they ever looking to bring you in at all?

Let me when they We've had three tryouts, I think, and every time it was a new way to fuck with us. The last tryout we did, uh what to call it? We show up to me. John and Kawalski showed up to some show somewhere in uh Maine I think it was, And they don't less in the locker room. They tell us it's to prodit and we haven't we dress in a closet. I've heard, yeah, yeah, and so but since Krashki rolles there, we stayed and did the match. And you know, if it was if he wasn't there,

But even after that, though, but even as you guys got established as the eliminated.

I went, I went to w CW.

But they didn't ever look to bring you two in before, Like as you guys were heating up as the eliminators, they never looked to bring you.

Back or they bring you in at all.

No, not that I know.

It looks like you guys would have been perfect there.

What do you call it? John and I were legitimately fistfighting each other every time we were together. So we were Tina worked out, the worked out there.

And then w CW. I mean you were you were off. I mean that was perfect. That was a good spot, but I mean, you know we'd.

Got done upon there was that, but you know, there was no real organization. The boys did whatever they wanted, and you can't let us do that right now. You know, one of the things you would hear every day there from somebody and I've never heard it anywhere but there. That really doesn't work for my character because everybody has creative input, because you know, that would throw you out of the fucking building if you told him that. You know, he's the boss, and Paulie was the boss too, as

You know who came up with Mapy.

I beat up that guy, Mike Bell, and and they used it. He dropped me on my head and I was out on my feet. And by the time I realized that I was beating them up, he was already done and uh so so and Vince yelled at me, can't do that. I said, fuck. He dropped me on my head and I was, you know, out on my feet. He thought it was funny, and that's when we came over with the storyline and Patter, one of them thought of the moth fucking thing. But you know what, what I was a very serious person.

I remember.

I remember I saw you to do that, and I was just say, I don't think Verry's too happy with this.

That fucking thing got over though, was on TV every week.

You were on TV every week.

With We're in We're in the Meadowlands for raw and when when all the march come in the buildings, they would always chant Rocky Rocky, you know. So one day were waiting for the law and pat pass and comes up to me. He used to call mc gimmick. He goes, do you hear him gimmick? Like I got the chanting Rocky? So what he goes, listen, Givemick the chanting Moppy MOPy?

Imkay.

The next week we Ragan put in the wood chipper.

Ah, that's all right, because I was hating you.

I hated you and I didn't like doing the comedy things. Right. Yeah.

But see, but that was what was crazy about the Mappi era and the invasion and the ECW and WCW is that they.

Pulled Perry out of the alliance.

That was ECWW because he got so over with Mopi. They turned him babyface and he left the ECW contingent.

That's how over MOPy was.

Yeah, I took things way too seriously because the twenty some years I wrestled, I never beat anybody. Some guys put me over, you know, so I took it way too seriously. You know. I didn't want to do comedy ship like that, and uh it was a little bit out of my comfort zone. So but it got over and uh I always did it the best I could do it. I wasn't happy about it, but I did it the best I could do it.

And you made it work because you're a professional.

Bottom line.

One time on I'm robbing in Minneapolis and they had a bron panties match Terry and a couple other girls. So time to go down in the ring and bron panties and beat all the girls up.

Oh my god.

Well I wasn't really pleased about there until I got back to the hotel. There was like six strippers waiting there for me. They see me at the show.

We got to put them in the rings.

We just you know, some me task. I had a black man. Some guys we just took it too serious.

Well you you are, you're a little more laid back then, which is good.

Yeah, I'm way right back. Now.

Yeah, that's it's good. And again I'm gonna say it again.

I'm just happy that you're here, and I'm happy that I saw you. I'm happy we got to sit down this weekend and talk a little bit because we got to sit for about twenty minutes before.

Yeah, it was awesome seeing you guys dream and I haven't seen you for so long, you know. It was awesome.

Yeah, So I I appreciate you coming on. I think a lot of people are going to get a kick out of your stories. And I'm looking forward to rustle Kon because hopefully we can get together and have some dinner and just relax.

Yeah. Uh, well, Ian wanted me to go there last year and I told him no because I didn't want to be around all the march. But then as the game got successful, I had to go. I couldn't tell them no, you know. But I'm glad. I'm glad I agreed to do it because it's going to be all right.

I think it's going to be great, and we're all gonna be there with you, so it's you know, you don't have to be alone.

We're all together.

No, I'd prefer to be a usually but but but but they don't bother me, Like I don't get stressed out that much anymore. Good because I'm sober. I don't know why, because I used to be stressed out all the time. So it's easier going now, you know.

Yeah, nope, bumps, You just pick up a pen, sign your name, and you're good to go.

Actually, you know what, The marks are a little better now too, are they? Like I was talking to the game the last time him and I did one of them things. I shoved the guy through the table because he was standing there to take a picture, to grab a fucking head bock on me. But but I didn't so worried about doing it. Can I do it or anything?

Though?

Just snap? And I grabbed him and slammed him into the table. That's like everyone let him up. I held him down by his neck and tell explaining that everybody around us this is why you don't touch before, you don't know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what they do to you all the time, I've got to.

They do it, but I usually turn my head so they get my cheek.

Yeah, and it's never as innocent as they try to claim it to be either. I don't have to lie about it ship. You know, I don't answer to anybody. If a man is to go around a woman, most of the time he's wondering how he's gonna get laid. Okay, we are minds that it's very simple track uh and uh what do you call it? That's just how and why lie about it?

Listen, I'm not at these conventions to get laid. I'm there to get paid.

Dream.

Thank you so much for coming on. I'm gonna talk to you soon. I so happy that he came and I will see in a couple of weeks.

Okay, a couple of weeks for sure.

So happy you were here.

Yeah, thank you, guys, take care of ilievable.

That's freaking great. That was Oh my god, that was everything I thought it would be and more that that view of I won't even say the year.

I might even say last year too, that was I.

Love him like he this again.

This sounds like so corny because I say this about all my a c W guys, right, But I hadn't seen him in so long, and all of the stories that I've heard about him were so awful, like like drugs and all this stuff, and and he said it here. So I'm not you know, breaking k Faber. But it was good to see him healthy and walking around and working, you know what I mean. Like it it was nice to see a visual because I just kept hearing these things and it makes me sad because I lost a lot of friends.

Yeah, he was becoming like an urban legend.

Yeah, because he was disappearing. And it'll be like everybody be like, who where's Perry Saturn?

Has anybody read from Saturn?

Or did you'd hear I'm trying to book Perry Saturn for this this ECW reunion.

Oh well, nobody can find him. Well, where is he?

I don't know.

I heard he was this place. I thought he was still in Massachusetts. I didn't know he was in Minnesota. Like nobody knew where this guy was. But that's just it's just crazy that he's so clear headed and he's got this like, you know, just optimistic view. And look, I mean that was you.

Know, it's it's it's I think it's as optimistic as he can be at this point.

Oh oh yeah, without a thought.

Yeah yeah yeah.

But like I when I said down with him, you know, he just leaned over and embraced me out of nowhere and I was just like, oh, like it just it was so nice to just see him and no, he was okay.

Now after hearing all of that stuff, So you know, it's good.

And I'm glad and and you know, I'm sure he'll be around and I'll get to see more of them. And I keep hitting my camera. I'm so sorry, I'm gonna move over. But yeah, that that was great. And he told some crazy stories.

Oh my yeh yeah, I mean, like Jesus Christ. That was great.

And the funny because like again I'm trying to think back and like when we were I'm sure him and John were with us, like in the travelodge because we were there at like two am when the show with air on the weekends, and we would all sit around and have a beer or a drink or whatever. So

And I heard some stories that he told on shoot interviews from the travel lunch.

Well they were you know, if it pertained.

Certain something on ahead something.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, stop it.

That's not my story to tell.

If you need to hear that one, go look it up on the shoot interview.

But now that was fun. That was a lot of fun.

So awesome. Yeah.

So uh, anyway, I'm gonna I can't.

I were filming on a thirdday and tomorrow I leave, so by the time you hear this, my weekend will be over. But I will advertise my next event is wressel Kan weekend. I'm going to be there and I'll let you do your plugs. But it's on my mind. April what is in April fourth, fifth, and sixth or fifth, sixth and seventh?

I forget it in front of me. I didn't pull it up because I'm still whirlwinds.

It's here, I got you.

It's uh.

April fifth is Friday.

So April fifth, sixth, and seventh, I will be at wrestl Kan all three days and also on that Friday, I'll be signing from nine to two at wressel Kan. I'll be signing from four to seven at the block party for Icons and Battleground, and then Shane and I will be on the night show. Shane's wrestling and I will be his manager that evening.

So Friday is super busy.

Saturday, I think we signed till maybe two or three, I don't know, and then Sunday two or three, whatever. But I'll be there the whole weekend, so it should be a good time. And we are trying to go to dinner Saturday, a bunch of us, and you know, hopefully it pans out.

I'm gonna I'm gonna be dressed up as a waiter. I'll be dressed up as a waiter getting to your dinner. I don't know still yet, I'm not sure. I don't know.

Well, you better make up your mind.

I got a lot of you know what, there's so much softball now going on that weekend.

Yeah, that weekend is a heavy weekend, but I still want to get there early in the weekend festivities.

So I don't know. There's there's so much there's Honestly, it's so overwhelming, the amount of crap that's going on. I just I can't wait for you.

Guys.

I'm excited for you, but I don't know it was the window closed it you haven't even talked about it on here Bendy.

Oh, I said, doll good.

This is no doll and it's not even an action figure, Major Bendy.

Major Bendy's. It's not closed. I thought it was because I swear that Brian. I saw Brian last week and I thought he told me a sales ended tomorrow, which is Friday.

But I was told they end on the thirty first.

Yes, you still have a week to purchase them.

There's a group.

You can buy them in a group of five, which is myself, Shane, Mikey, Whipwreck, Dusty, and Jerry Lynn non bloody or bloody variants. Or you can buy me as an individual, which would be great as well. She's even cute with the blood on her. Let me let me just say different than.

What you're used to.

Uh, they're not yeah, like they're not really an action figure. They are posable.

So they're Bendy's. So they're like so the the the what they're made out of?

Is this like different kind of Yeah, it's I don't know what they're exact name is, but they're a different kind of action figure material.

Okay, and you bend them. I mean they do this, they do this, they do this. Yeah, and it's.

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Yeah, and get it ready for the signings that are gonna be coming in the next couple of months because the box that they put it in is tailor made for the signature, yeah, and waiting to be displayed the way they make it is so you can just PLoP it right on your shelf.

There you go, and it's perfect. And I would love to sign them for you. So Major Bendy's dot Com All right, kiddo, what do you have going on?

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