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This is Eyes up here, and you're listening and watching and consuming and all new brand Spagan New Eyes up here exclusively on our Patreon channel as well as the Creative Control and Network. If you didn't know by now, my name is Chad. And every single week I got a lot to say. I have a big shpiel, it seems. But I'm here, of course and joined by the Queen of Extreme you have a lot to stay today or just in general. No, it sounded like it was very long winded. Now you say that every week, I know,

but it felt longer this week. I don't know why. Oh I don't. I don't know why either. As I was getting ready to come down here, I made my smoothie because I've been drinking a smoothie for lunch every day trying to lose weight, and I spilled it. I spilled it all over my floor and on my countertop. So I had to clean that real quick and I salvage most I spilled the top. But it's relatively false. So what kind of smoothie this is a It's chocolate moose,

but it's just a protein shake. I add peanut butter to it and some vanilla unsweetened dilmond milk, and it's delicious, really good. Yeah, unsweet, and I like the sweet and one better. But my husband he's like, no, we don't need the sugar, so, uh what the unsweet? But it's good. It's good and it fills me up. And because you know I I fast every day until about eleven twelve o'clock and this, this hits the spot. So I've never been a smoothie guy. Okay, well it's a protein shake.

It's not protein shak. Right, Smoothie is the setting on the blender. Okay, So I've never even the same thing. Like, I've never been into the shakes. I feel like they're too good to be true. No, you're good. So I've used our great audio sponsor on Creative Control Network, the Athletic Greens Mix. Yes, we've been using them for for a long time now. My husband has been using them for like, I would say, the last couple of years. Yeah, that's what you would. So you had told me that,

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the athletic greens. So it's a cheap plug for our plug that you will be hearing in audio forum in about fifteen minutes. Cheap plug for our plug, a chief plug for our prug end product. But our guest is ready to join the part. Hey and the ay for extra emphasis. So I'm glad he's here. He has been a friend of mine for gosh, I don't know, twenty five years or so, a very long time. I was able to spend some time with him this weekend. Please join me in welcoming the Blue Meanie Hey thanking his

eyes up here debut today. Are you my friend? Excellent? Thanks for having me. I've been trying to get you now for like seventy two years. But you know, Blue Guy's very busy. He's a bucket list guest for the show we've been We definitely had him at the top of that list. I am checking off my bucket list. First thing, I want to say, happy belated. I reached out on your birthday. But did it he had a birthday a couple of days ago. Yes. Yes, And we're not going to disclose our age unless you you would

like to. No, no, no, See. I tell everybody I'm fifty and I love it, and I kick and not shimmy in a shake. But you know, well, there's a there's a great stay saying you're young once, but you can be immature forever. So I've taken that route. Yeah, and I know that because I've traveled with you up and down the road. Uh. Before we get into you know, backstories and whatnot, we were together this past weekend. We're

starting to show hot with you. We didn't really We do like recaps and we talk a little bit, but we didn't get to today because we started right at noon. MEI and I were working for Captain's Corner or a friend Nick and Dave Cash was with us, Kid Cash and it was a little mini reunion and we had such a good time, don't you think. Hey, it's always great when we can get together and reminisce, so to speak.

It's just like the cool thing about our crew. It's no matter how far apart we how long it's been since we seen each other last time, we just pick up right where we left off. It's true because now I had not seen you. I don't know. I can't even remember in the time you and Tracy came to our house for dinner, that might have been it, and that was years ago. Yeah, but he talks to my husband more than he talks to mend it. They had

this little man group. You know, I'm private to it because I get shown some of the conversations once in a while. If they're funny, he pops me with them. And you know, but we're kids of the eighties and a lot of our eighties humor, eighties knowledge and stuff like that. And yeah, we have another We had another mutual friend within there. I'll protect him so he's innocent, but he's he's married and has a family now, so I know I know who you're talking about either. But

he's another guy that was part of that. I mean, he wasn't a wrestler, but like a lot of the boys, and he said I'd be considered one of the boys. So it's just me and him have this saying, man, if this was nineteen ninety six, you know, and I'll just leave it at that. But you know, uh yeah, we we just yeah, it's crazy how I talked to your better half more to more than you. I'm like, really, hello, But it's okay because we've kept in touch. It's not

like we don't speak, you know. But it's just the boys club is running rampant, and it's fine because, like I said, some of these, some of these memes and jokes, I am prevy too, and I shake my head, but I pop at the same time, so I get it. It's all good. So what should we talk about today? I feel like everybody, how'd you get into the business? I mean, how many? How many things have you done? And how many interviews have you done? That? Oh it's always uh yeah, I don't want to talk about that.

I want to talk about Autopilot. Tell that story. You know, I'll just have out now if that's what's gonna happen. No, I don't listen. I don't want to talk about that. But I know you're sick of talking about this one. But a lot of my listeners might not know about it, So I'm gonna have to bring it up. And please don't be mad at me. Your family so you can

talk about anything. Well, isn't that great? Uh, We're gonna have to discuss jbl and and we we talked about this over the weekend and it's like, oh, not again. But a lot of people don't know how that came about. People still ask me, and I'm just like, you know, I was there that night, but I don't know, yeah, because I really don't. I was there. I watched it from the back because I was part of that show too, in a nutshell. You don't have to go into logistics

and details, but what brought that on that evening? Because we are Okay, so backstory that I'm talking about the two thousand and five ECW One night Stand pay per view. Okay, I traveled with you. We all went to New Jersey. We all got into a van that looked like, uh it could uh you know, transport illegal aliens over the border and all this the shadiness and there was like ten of us in this van. We're going to the

paper view. I was a surprise. So Joey Styles literally put a jacket over my head and drug me into the building without anybody saying me but Minia Company, we were all there. Tell us what happened that night? Did you when you went into the building. Was there a confrontation beforehand? Was there a heat? Did anybody like steoge anything off to you? Did you know anything? What happened? Well,

it goes back to my first run in WW. I went into WW in ninety eight, November ninety eight, and forever reason, you know, and again it's it's hard to nail down to one specific incident, you know, but forever reason JBL now in full disclosure. Now me and John are cool so and people like to use that uh oh, JB,

I'll be I was like, yeah, we're friends. We made up over this, so forever reason, there's always like some kind of like remark or you know, when we're working in the ring, I thought I felt he was taking liberties in the ring. And you know, once I left WWE and I was fired, I was like, I had a great time. But I said an interview with Mike Johnson or Chris Wardward buck Wardward, I said, I had a great time in WWE, but JBL was a bully and that's basically all I said, and then you know,

it kept coming up. I was like, yeah, he bowled me. You know, he's a bully, and you know how excuse me. You're not the first to say this about him. There have been several stories out there. I might have been the first at that time to publicly Oh okay, okay. This was in two thousand. When I said it, they released me. So I think it's a case of you know how the telephone game works, where what I say this and by the time it gets to John, people

have embellished and oh man, wait till Minie. You know you hear what Minie said about you, you know, and you know I had seen him over the years, like I had stopped by a w W show. Everything was cool, and then that day at when I stand, everything was fine, Hey John, Hey me, Hey you do And then the skirmish at the end, we were we we did a whole rehearsal everything, and you know, we're all squaring off and hey, you and I'm gonna beat you up and you know whatever you say, right and uh I had

made a plan. Uh, one of the bashing brothers on on on the other side, and I was like, hey, let's just square off. You know, who knows if we're ever going to see you know, I'm buddies with him. I was like, who knows if we're going to see each other again. Let's just square off and do whatever.

Have a good time, right, Yeah, So the skirmish breaks out, and uh, we're going back and forth, and all of a sudden, two nights before at the Forever Hardcore or Hardcore Homecoming, Yeah, Saman busts open, uh with a ladder or a chair, and I had staples in the back of my head and uh, I'm but flash forward to when I stand I'm brawling with on the bash I think Danny Basham and then all of a sudden, there's a punch right in the back of my head on

top of the staples. So if you watch the food, you see me grab my hand, go son of a bitch. I turn around. It's John and we just you know, he does the hockey. We start having a hockey fight. You know. He just pulls my shirt over my face and I start swinging back and you can't see at this point because your face is covered. But when you know, we all went over our stuff because they make you

walk through everything. They're ridiculous. So when you went over this, uh, did he say I'm going to come from behind at any point and try to square off with nothing? Okay, Okay, now I think you know, Uh, there's one point where I think I said something about his cowboy hat and he just looked at me, and I was like, ah, ship, I should have said that. I probably shouldn't say anything about his cowboy hatter. So I don't know. And the ring, Huh, you were in the ring when it wasn't like it

was a shoot like your hat. It's like we're working you right right right right, kick your ass, but you know, you know it's a work. So you know, he hits me in the back of the head and we're we're fighting, and I powder off and I grabed somebody and uh bubo bo and then like guys are coming up to me. Tracy Smothers walks up to me because I'm i'm I'm I'm bleeding, so uh okay, and then while walks up to me, looks at me. Everybody's looking at me like

they thought I got collar. I was like, no, he shot on me, and Tracy Smothers went over and uh, if you watch sam Man puts his cane around him

and Tracy Smothers has well still in the ring. Yeah, while while still going on, and you see Bubba pull Mountain Whisper or something and tells him to uh skidaddle okay, And we get to the back and uh, I'm you know we're doing uh there's still like a couple of minutes where they have Bischoff in there with stone cold and they're beating up Bishof and you see I you know, they bring in beers for Steve. Also, I grab a beer and put it right on my face like a state.

I'm just like, I got one. I'm double fisted. I got one on my face when I'm drinking one. Yeah, there's a photo that's floating around the internet. You know, I'm all getmicked up. And I got the beer in my hand. And so we get to the back and Johnny As is like who told you you can gig? Who told you? It's like, are you even watching what's going on? I was like, uh no. He shot on me and went what and uh I was like yeah, I gave him the cliff notes like right there. I

was like, well, forever reason he doesn't like me. This goes back to my way. Oh it's inexcusable, blah blah blah. So we uh, you know, I we go further down the hallway to where Gorilla was, where Vince was, and uh there's John and he's you said stuff about me on the internet. And I was like, I'm like, dude, I just all could do is throw the hands and

go dude whatever. You know. So they take me downstairs and I get stitched up, and they have Heavener find me and he doubles my pay for the night, and well, yeah, he's like, oh here okay, kills me off a couple And then on the ride home I later found out because we're all riding home together, Uh my own on Finnegan said they were going to take me straight to the hospital. Well they were, yeah they were. And if you remember, we stopped off at like I don't know

if it was a Roy Rogers or was it Wendy's. Yeah, there's just like this little truck stop. Yeah, we said it was a little sign, little thing, and I remember holding ice on your face. We're like, can we have bags of ice please? Because you were so swollen your face. You look like you had gotten bit by like forty two beas. That's what it reminded me of you. You're

honestly your eyes were swoll your face as well. My heart was broken, and I just remember sitting next to you and I'm holding I was holding the ice on your face, and you just had your head down the whole time, and I was just like, oh my god, like, this is this is beyond a shoot Like I've never seen anybody like. I don't mean to keep emphasizing it, but I have never seen anybody shoot on somebody like that. You didn't even you didn't even cause a stink about it.

You just took it like a man and just was like, well whatever. And I mean they I don't consider it stooging what you did, because they asked you what happened. You were telling the truth, you know, So I don't think you was this. I'm a better gigger than that, you know. Just yeah, you were. He was a mess. Guys. I remember watching it live because you're watching it and you're like, wait, what what's going on over there? Because you see JBL's wild arm just like kind of fly

out of nowhere. I remember watching a lot of being like, holy shit, that's crazy. He's doing this and I'm throwing my rights, you know. And if you watch the SmackDown, because they did a SmackDown, like in the next day or two, he's got like makeup under he got hey, I a little rabbit and a little mouse bruise under his eye, little mouse bruise while me and he's walking dead over here. Yeah, it was terrible. I looked like a garbage pail kid. Uh good, there's no fishbones around

your trash cans. But you you weren't really really bad shape. My I mean, I felt so bad for you that night, and all I can do. I kept saying, are you okay? Are you okay? And I remember just holding ice on your face in the van. Yeah, and much of that ride home, Yeah, you were very somber. I will tell you. You had your head down and we were just like, do you do you want to go anywhere? Do you need anything? But I just remember I told the lady at Wendy's, I need a big bag of ice, and

they gave us. They gave us ice because he was He's a mess. And I have never seen anything like that in my life. The funny thing is we're walking back to the van from Manhattan Center and uh, I see Paul and I apologize. I'm sorry. Oh, He's like, what are you talking about. He's like he's like, he took his best shot and he couldn't knock you out, So what are you apologizing for? There you go. I

was like, sorry, I ruined your Black Panther party. And I was just like, apologize and for something it wasn't You didn't have to apologize. But that's your nature, that's the way you are, your your I know, I do it too. I do it too. And I remember apologizing the events and he goes stop saying sorry, and I go, okay, so sorry, and he's like sorry I was. I was like, like you said somber and I got home. I went to bed. I woke up, and I didn't really get

fired up until the next day. And I walked downstairs and my mom saw my face and the way she reacted. My mom reacted sent me the fuck off. Sure, sure, I don't know, I can we swear? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you could swear so And that's when I just started writing blogs about it, and I posted the photo. I

sent the photo to you know. I posted a photo on my blue Meeni dot com when I owned that back in the day, and everybody picked up on it, and then I started writing blogs about it and how I was angry about it and yeah, yeah, and then a couple of months later, uh, Dreamer. Well, in the meantime, like when we had gone to One Night's Stand that day, Nova I said he was pitching like a mini BW O reunion WW because Stevie was going from Velocity to SmackDown.

SmackDown's Blue and White colors. B w's the blue white colors. So a couple months after the maybe a month or two after One night stand, Uh, Tommy Dreamer calls. He goes, Meanie, Uh, we want to bring you out to uh Sacramento. This has nothing to do with jbl blah blah blah. I'm like thinking that it's Nova doing the BW thing. I get there, get to the building and Johnny As goes, yeah, you're working john jbl tonight went great. You lied to me. First of all, anybody who ever comes on this show

and has a Dreamer story always does this voice inevitable. Yeah, but why would Tommy? Why would why did Tommy do that? Did you did you call him on it? Well? No, no, I disfigured. They told him to tell me something and then they you know, plants. He's like, yeah, you're working, uh jbl h, you're hitting the moon salt. When then one two three, I was like, does John know this? Yeah? He's like, oh yeah, he loves what's great, blah blah blah.

And I'm standing there and I'm just like, this feels like a setup, you know, I'm I'm just standing there like and to his credit, Triple h comes over to me. He goes, meanie, you look worried. I was like, well, yeah,

this is what's going on. And he goes, wait one minute, he walks away, comes back, just come with me, and he takes me into Vince's office and then you know, I walk in and Vince is having a steak and he's watching like the sizzle reel for Hogan those Best which is like showhat an air yet, but he's watching like dailies or whatever and stuff. Ah meanie, go sit

on the couch, you know. So I go sit in this couch and like it's this is in Sacramento, July four, two thousand and five, sitting on his couch and then uh, Johnny Ace Triple h Fence come in and we have a heart to heart talk. I was like, hey man, this is what happened. Blah blah blah, this is how I feel. It feels kind of like the inside. He's like, well, I assure you mean me that if John does the same thing again, he will be fired. All right, Oh all right, okay, and don't have a roll quarters by

the way. Yeah, uh uh. I'm standing there. And then John comes in and I just you know, you feel attention and it's kind of like his his cowboy has like the dorsal fin and jaws, you know. And I'm standing there. I'm just bracing because I still don't feel comfortable and you haven't. There's no there's no interactions from one night stand to this night between you two now other than yelling at each other in gorilla position. That's it, okay. And so eventually a little bit he comes up, I

feel tap of my should. He goes you want to go talk and it's John. I'm like, all right, so, uh you know you've been to TVs. There's signs everywhere seamstress, Vince's office, uh, Richie from Magic Catering, this, that and the other thing. As We're walking further and further down

the hall. I'm seeing less and less signs. I'm like, man, if we go to a room, and if we go into a room and there's plastic on the floor, I'm fucking running And I'm I don't want to be like Joe Petchy and Goodfellas, you know when he thinks he's about to be made and takes one back of the head Jesus. So we go in a room. John shuts the door, locks it. I'm like, huhhh he locks it. Well, I think you I don't know. Maybe I'm being because we could talk where we'll fight. I was like, God, damn, John, Uh,

I don't want to fight. Yeah, I never wanted to fight. You guys, Like, as a matter of fact, I was one of your biggest fans before coming to here in ninety because I legit loved his work. Yeah, remind me of Stan Hans and all this stuff. And uh, I said, hey, man, this is what happened. You know when I was here, I listed everything boom boom boom boom boom boom, boom boom boom. He's like, well, you know, uh, yes, I

don't remember that. Blah blah, blah. He's like, look, let's go out there, you know, and he apologized most importantly apologized, and you know, let's go out there and make some money. Is it all right? And uh? You know, you know, time flies by, and uh, I'm on Twitter and all of a sudden, somebody goes am mine to see him? Or is jbl final following the Blue MENI on Twitter and he goes, I love me and he so, uh and there you go. Well yeah, but yeah, since then,

you know, John's apologized. Yeah, he almost got into the Royal Rumble in Philly. I had just done you see, I'll be on release Fine three for WW with Steve Richards and Joey South. I was like, He's like, what better way to promote the DVD than the have you come out in Philly and say the host of BLA, I don't care bushwhacker me, I'll walk in shit came

in out the other side and I'll be good. Yeah, he almost got me in and it's down to me and Bubba, and they chose Bubba, which is cool, you know, but he made the effort and he's done a lot of other cool things for me to help me. So you know, the sad thing is people when it comes to something, you know, something like that, it was an ugly incident, and people remember the initial headline. They never

they never read the fine print or the retraction. When you know, people will you know, make amends and stuff like that. So me and him have been like for the last since two thousand and five, been like, no, we're good now, right right. I was just on his podcast and people are still going, what about that JBL thing? I just sent him the link. Well, that's why I wanted you to talk about it again, because you know, my listeners mightn't know the story, and because I had you.

It's interesting to me. One of the things I remember going around when you went back and worked for WWE, people were saying they, now, this is just speculation and I don't know if there's any truth to it. One of the rumors going around was that they had you back there so you wouldn't sue them. Yeah, that was never talking. Well, here's the thing. After the one I stand thing happened, I went through like behind the scenes, real life shit where I had people coming at me

from all sides. I had people going, man, you should really sue to the people going what are you a pussy? You know? And I all I did was to say I is wrong. You know, There's some well known people saying, yeah, you could probably sue, and then people from other companies reaching out to me saying, ah, you should sue. I'm like, yeah, you want me to sue, don't you. But then you know, people are like, oh, have you ever worked stiff? And

I'm like, block, that was work. I was like, it wasn't a work, but like I went through a lot of shit personally, people who thought I was being a baby about something being wrong, and then the other people who wanted me to sue. But you know, you know, if we're going to you know, be real about it in hindsight, you know, looking at through my I'll say my age, my forty nine year old eyes, there's your age. Yeah, there's my age. I could block it if you want

to believe it. So just through my forty nine year old eyes. The whole one night Stanping might have been the best thing that happened to me in a way because because uh, I got you know, released from WWE. Around that time, a grandma had passed away. We were at Hammerstein for one of those double shots my grandma passed away, and then I was in a relationship and

that kind of went awry, right right right. I don't say the name because she might pop up like Beetlejuice, but just no, no, no, I was in a bad relationship. That relationship spawned a wrestling company that actually enjoyed but didn't enjoy this stress of it. But it ended very badly. So in the course of you know, a couple of months that ended badly. The wrestling promotion ended badly, uh, you know, and then you know, a couple other things happened with people I don't want to put over. I

was in a really dark spot. I was in a real bad way and maybe had like twenty dollars to my name, and I just like looking for, you know, a solution. And then I was relieved, you know, I got invited to the ECW reunion shows, and like during the course of that time, I kind of stopped being the blue meanie. I was the blue meaning by name,

but like I changed my look. I was doing different things and going back to you know, doing one I stand and actually putting back on the blue hair and the original makeup and the hair shirt and the daisy Dukes can get back out on TV. And you know, what happened when I stand was bad, but I kind of found out like who my friends were. I kind of you know, you know, figured out who my true friends were. And it got me back out there to realize,

you know, the fans still care. I had lost all confidence, I had lost all every sense of worth because of I was just taking live rounds between Grandma's death, bad relationship, promotion, drama with that, losing friends, all this shit was happening within that course of the years. I called my dark ears and then boom one night saying happens, it sucks. But somehow it got me back on my footing and I got back being me, and you know, yeah I did. They didn't bring me back because and that's why I

brought up the Nova thing. They were Initially there was talks about bringing me back because Nova wanted to do d BWO thing, But that just expedited it because after the JBL match on SmackDown, we had a little mini feud with the Mexicools and stuff like that, and I got to be on a Grand America Bash and you know, do stuff, you know, and then then these you know, came a calling and my life. I got my life back on track because of an incident that was so bad,

you know. And if you think about it too, it's like if you would have sued, god knows how much money you would have got, but it might have tarnished your wrestling career. So if you still want to perform and be a wrestler, you might have been blackballed, you know, by certain people. Were the ones who think you're a pussy or you couldn't take the beating or whatever. You know, it might have if like, in my opinion, if you didn't want to be in the business anymore, I would

have said, yeah, go ahead and sue. You know, you were trying to pursue another career, Yeah, go sue, trying to make a buck or two or whatever. But you still had, you know, something inside you told you not to do it, and you bounced back and you were able to start working again and getting on TV and doing these bigger things. So you made the right decision. Yeah, and trust me, I had lawyers call me too, Yeah, you represent me pro bono. We heard, I mean there

were we heard. I heard all these different things, and I was just like I said, to myself, he's not gonna sue. I knew. I knew. I said, he's got wrestling in his veins. I said, he's not going to do it because it's gonna that's going to just slam a door for him. And you know, even though you think you could get a million dollars, you're never going to get that much money anyway, so you might as well just out. You come out. I would probably have like fifty bucks. No, I think you would have got

more dollars. JBL has never like with me and I. I've I've probably had about ten interactions with them over my whole wrestling career. But I can say in those ten interactions, he's been such a gentleman and so nice and courteous to me. And you hear all these stories about him and I and I know there's always two sides to every story, but I'm just like, man, he's so nice, like you know, and then you have like other people like Justin Roberts. I read his book and

and it's terrible. You know, people do change. And it's good that you were able to sit down and discuss things with him and kind of smooth everything out. But I tell you what. It was awful. Yeah, it was really awful. I'll never discount anybody else's experiences with John. That's between him and those folks, right, But the John that I eventually became friends with is way different than

the John from ninety eighty two thousand. Okay, you know, and now that was the wild West, you know, the Attitude era and uh, you know, people a little crazy on the road and stuff like that. So I could have just been collateral damage and whatever he was going through and that's none of my business. But you know, you know, it sucked. Yeah. Oh I had good time, Like I had good times in ww during Attitude too. But there's like that stuff. And what's your favorite time?

What's your favorite time? Yeah, we're discussing this this crap session, let's still have a good moment. What was a favorite moment that you dude? My favorite moment was WrestleMania fifteen in my hometown of Uh. That's awesome, dude. I was born in Philly. Uh, May May nineteen seventy three at two pm on a Friday. Look at that, because my mom tells me, and we then we had Chinese food. Oh so uh at my mom every time I do

my mom's voice. It's like Edith Bunk Bunker Brian. Uh, can you go to McDonald to get me a black and white cheek? Yes? Ma? But uh, you know I was born in South Philly. Uh you know. Uh. I debuted for E c W Philly, debut for w W and Philly. I had my WrestleMania moment in Philly, and most recently I debuted for ae W in Philly. So crazy get to do things in this town you were born in. Uh, I'm unapologized Homer when it comes to Philly. Excuse me, everything Philly. So that had to be the

cool thing. I love doing this stuff with gold Dust. One of my favorite, one of my best matches, my favorite matches was me and gold Dust versus the Hardy's on Sunday Night Heat. We had a really good match to where you know, we get to the locker room and like people who I normally wouldn't think would put

over that match. You know, Jerry Brisco comes up to me many great match, you know like that, and you know, just to work with you know, guys like the Hardy's work with Edge and Christian you know when they were just coming up and I related a lot to Edge, Christian and the Hardy's. You know, we're around the same age, like the same music. We're all listening like Pearl Jam and I'm giving him my giving them my Pearl Jam mixes on c when CD making CDs with a thing

back then. But I love being around those guys and relatable and stuff like that. I had met Edge and Christian didn't want to like, uh, I'm still an e CW. ME and Nova did the indie out in Detroit and Edge and Christian won that show and it was like three shows. So uh, Nova decides to rib Edge and Christian. He's like, hey, guys, I picked out your ring music

for you. They're like, we're ready, so yeah he's. Edge and Christian are getting ready to go to the ring and all of a sudden, girls and cars start playing playing and they the ring and they started. They both had this really good Rick martel impersonation where you know, they're doing the jumping up and down like Rick does

and stuff like that. And then we uh had to do a run in on their match and we run in and this is around like Christmas time in Detroit and there's like a Santa Claus at the show and then Me, Edge, Christian and Nova all turned heel on Santa Claus and beat beat him up. This is the second time you've turned heel on Santa Claus, by the way, because the first time we talked about this over the weekend.

What's you and Stevie Times Square? Yeah, oh my god, which is one of my favorite promos ever when they super kick sample and that was just a guy on the street. That's that's the beauty of E c W. You do those wanting gum promos. We're filming and this guy goes, I want to be on TV and we're like, can you take a Stevie kick? And he's like looking at what and we explained it and Stevie walking and

the one the air was the second take we did it. Uh, we have to do that again and the guy had to take it what you know, concrete, the nasty plunge. He took the nexty plunge on concrete and got up and we're like, okay, thanks bye and we'll walking. You know, it's like hey day And I was like it's e c W. Yeah, that's so great. I love that. That's one of my favorites, next to Premium where which you co starred with me, and and uh people love that for sure. Many a man hated me for in that commercial.

Great funniest c CW story that you can think of off the top of your head. Oh my god, one of them, one of them. It could be at the travel Lodge. It doesn't have to be. Travel Lodge is put over a lot on this show. But yeah, that building we called, I call it the Cylinder of Sin, a spherical and it looks like it needs a condom

on it. Yes, I agree, but uh, probably one of my favorite moments is you know we were I was wrestling Jason Knight around the Loop and uh, you know we would have you know, Jason was kind enough to put me over excuse me, pin one two three, and I was doing the y m C A gimmick that I had we eventually did on Wressell Plues in ninety eight, but before that, we're going around loop with Jason and having this quick little match pin them one two three, why m C I. And we come back through the

curtain and I want to say it was Allentown or uh, oh my god, that place downtown Downingtown. Thank you. Come through the curtain and Downingtown and there's Shane Douglas, Big Did Dougley and the rest of the locker room going why yeah, because the music is still playing. Me. I just see Big Nick Dougley doing the MC and then doing at the e c W Arena. You see these guys in like leather biker jackets going, oh why you know, get the CWR crowd to do the y m c A.

Oh yeah, that was a fun moment. You know, does a fun loop and time. You know, as far as stories go that I could tell, Okay, yeah, well a lot of it's in the vault and we understand it. How many times have you pooped your pants in the rnk uh in my career? Three times? Why I'm not zero? Just to let and now rookie, I know, good work. It was like January third eight. Yeah, you know, would you believe I read? Okay, let me tell the story first.

I know this because uh me Nova and Randy samd guy drove out to Detroit for these the sloop of shows and uh they picked me up on New Year's Day, which is you know, the Mummers Parade, so it's com forever to find my house. We drove halfway so it might have been January second. So we do. We're doing a show in Inkster, Michigan at a community center. Is this for WWE? For ECW? Oh, it's for ECW okay.

And the cool thing about doing this show is, you know, I started my career out in Ohio and Michigan, so I had wrestled in this building as Brian Rollins, as Ebra Kid, and now I've come back as the Blue Meanie and all the fans to watch me on the Michigan indie scene are watching me at this show, which is kind of cool. So I wrestling Jason again. You know, two minutes into the match, you close, I take a flat back and a hair you know, it's it's kind of like this, and uh, that's the second time you

heard that. I have a I have a Roadcaster Pro which has a sound born on it. So yeah, we have to get one of those breaking news you know there because that again you popped, because that's one of my text tones. It's like, what the hell, you're so filly? So you know, he closed lines me and in my pants, I'm like, oh no, but I know it wasn't mess. It was like more like a like a tater tot. But uh like, so we're wrestling and he, you know, snap mares me over, puts me in the chin lock

and I'm just wafting in it. And uh Bill Wilds was managing me at the time. He was boogle boogoloo Bill Wilds. And the smell of this hits ring side and Bill doesn't know it's me. Okay, so he goes, oh, you people. He looks at the crack. You people stick to the other side of the ring. So the smell hits the other side. He goes, oh, down bathe you know, so we finished the match. I had to miss the moon salt and all this. Oh you imagine in my days, duke h. I go into the locker room and sam

An stooped me off. The word got back to the locker room when that happened, and Stamon is like, yow pants, and uh, I don't even go in the locker room. I go right for the showers. I keel off, you know, blah blah boom. I got one. I got one shower. Hit me in the head, one shower you know, from you know, behind, like I'm hosing off like a circus elephant in the said I didn't know that I felt it,

but you know, better be safe either way. Paul walks in in the rest locker room and they're just like golf clap, Yeah, so clean up, and I go and throw my underwear on the roof, you know, stat being a gentleman throwing the trash. So I was like, let me get rid of the evidence. Threw it on the hook, did the cream abdul Jabar skyhook under the roof. And I recently just went on Google Earth and looked up

the building. I was waiting to see, like if there's a chalk outline around him, like maybe a bird took them or something, and then the bird got disgusted and he'd like spit them out here. Bathe. I can attest to how bad your gases because we've traveled together a lot. I've shared a locker room with you for years. The funniest story I might read it before, but now that you're here, I have to say it again. We weren't.

It wasn't e c W. I think it might have been a loop for Shane Douglas that we were on right home coming. We were somewhere and we had gone either to a restaurant, restop or to eat. And we were coming back getting into a car, and next to our car was another car and there was a woman sitting in the car. Yes, well she was in there and her window unfortunately was down. Menie stands in front of stands in front of her window. It passes as right in this I thought. I thought it was one

of those things. I thought, like some so I like to rib right. You know when I worked in the casinos, you know, uh in Atlantic City, you know, I was working doing garage duty and somebody had their win it down reaching and turned the volume knob up on the radio this, you know. But I was like, oh, look, windows down. I didn't see the lady. He parted. It was loud and just crude, and I went, what round? Oh ate my face, red face. She looked like she

was gonna face just turned the milk white. She was like, she gasped. I was like what. I get in the car and go what are you doing? He's like, oh, I didn't know she was there. I said, you did you do it? God? There's one time running in Dayton for heat wave. I have a friend Jeremiah, and uh I stayed at his house. He lets right over in Kentucky and we go to uh I want to say King's Dominion, and there's a top gun ride. I had

the worst guess that day. And we're we're on stairs going up this ride and we're just waiting our turn, and I just want hey, guys, guys, And there's a family behind me. People are behind me. And I didn't even look, but my friend Jeremiah to look on his face watching them. He was he had tears coming down his eyes like he was eating hot wings. It would have been great if you know how they take pictures on the rides, if you would have farted and the

flashmoan went off with the people are behind you disgusting. Yeah, the moment, the moment of impact. Yeah, I stopped the concert with the fart once. I swear to God, remember remember why I was, Remember why I was skinny? Mean me for a second there, get down to like two forty. I was neither the could they. I was doing the protein thing and we're we went to see a band called the Atomic Punks at the Whiskey of Go Go

in Hollywood. Now the singer and the guitar player from the Atomic Punks went on to become Steel Panther Michael and Satchel whatever his name is now. They keep changing their names. And I was just on a tear and uh, I was losing weight. But we're at the show and there's a group of women behind me dancing and they keep pumping into me. I'm just like, I'm like watching the band, and I'm like, you know, it's like I'm

being rear rent, like slowly rearended, you know. So I was like, and then like they're grabbing on my I'm wearing a BW shirt like tank top, you know, a muscle shirt without the muscles, and yeah, they're grabbing the back of my shirt and like eating it. And I'm just like, ew, I just snuzzled my butt cheeks on the one lady's thigh and just let it fucking rip. It was warm too, It's like you could have opened mail with it. Oh the glue. And all of a

sudden they went they were like behind me dancing. They were dancing like this. I turned around. They're like, you know, dancing like this, you know, with their shirts over their feet. Stop dancing made it put you over except for this Oh no, but and but like the main band hadn't come on yet, So I'm just like, I let the one go, and it's kind of like inviting vampires into your house. There's it brings friends. So I was like,

oh no, there's more so like Avery. A couple of minutes, I'm like, uh hum mm hmmm, like a trumpet with his asshole. You got your own band, Dizzy Gillespie, uh with the cheeks puffed out. And eventually somebody at the bar at the back of the fucking whiskey goes, please stop farting a one hundred yards away, you sir, stop dude. It was nuclear. It was like I can't. Yeah, the band We Go to Sea comes on, and like I'm I'm I'm clenched. I'm trying not to because I really

want to enjoy this band. Yeah, I'm a band handle Mark. So I was making this part up. They're playing the song you Really Got Me and uh, Ralph Michael Starr aka Michael Stars walking towards me and I'm like, oh no, so well that one go and it's like he's walking this this way and my heart's going up this way and it's just like that they two ships meeting at the night just and he he just went oh, the microphone. I showed a stop, stop, stop, he's fucking he's waving

his arm. He's just WHOA. The band stops playing, and he goes, oh, somebody in the crowd is shipp there. Every hand in the bar pointed to me, and I was just like, I was with, uh, who's the guy who did the photos for e c W dot com? Uh? Quickly he was yeah, yeah. I messaged his brother, thinking it was him. I was like, remember that time I stopped the band. He's like, no, that my brother Jim, And here's all over my face right now I'm crying. Jim quick testified on my behalf that yeah, I stopped

the contract with a fart. I'll send you that's great photographic proof. But yeah, well I I can attest because I've smelt it several times. Yeah, that's the only word I could use. My grandma would say, I think you need a physic. No, well, if you're not going to the bathroom, yeah, if you're just gassy, but if you're moving your boughs right yourly, no, no physics need it.

You just need some for breeze and uh air, Yeah, not to be such in a tight space, but yeah, you know you know, who needs to talk about where you started and who trained you because we're talking about shipping farts and and good stuff, and that's what this knock down JVL like that with a fart in the ring that night, and then that would have never happened. I I used to discuss Al Snow with my farts because like he, we would be bad. I was training with Al, and like you know, we'd be on the

in the ring doing the thing. I would just let one go and I would do the rick Steiner around the ring, like run around the ring, just a fucking vapor trail everybody, and everybody would just you know, eliminate themselves out of the ring, just like, yeah, fart on me too. Oh he had bad. He's bad. He's stunk too. And he would if you ever notice, like if he would back me up in the corner and stand in front of me in the corner, that's when he would fart.

He would do the Andre the Giant I suppose, but I mean we're on TV. I'm trying to be mean. And then I would go, did you just shake your pants like you smell? Like it was disgusting. He wasn't as bad as uh, com Ole Brack or whatever. Oh I remember, Yeah, he used to drink the egg beaters in the locker room and just annihilation. And I haven't heard that name in years. Brocus, brock Brocus. Yeah, No, it was the other dude. There was another big guy we had. What was his name? I don't know that.

I thought that was the name you just said, Broncus. His real name was Brockets. I know who that is. He was the dude that we w w was grooming and then right, yeah, yeah, and he wore the chains. Then he disappeared. Yeah, I don't think the wrestling business before him. I don't think so either. But it was for you, and I'm glad you never left it, and we're all better to have you still around. I appreciate it, and I'm so glad that you and I are still

friends and kept in touch after all these years. For those who don't know, where can we find Mimi? What kind of merch do you have? This is going to take twenty minutes, everybody, But if you give us home down on your socials and all that kind of stuff, well I've gotten this pitch down to a t. If you well, first of all, I have my own podcast to mine In the Meanie Podcast, which drops every Monday morning at six am, myself and Adam Bernard talk everything

from wrestling, movie, sports, and useless knowledge. If you would like to support the Blue Meani, go to or actually go to Mineandemeni dot com or go to YouTube dot com slash Mindeddemeani. If you would like to support the Blue Meanie, go to Pro Wrestling Teas dot com, slash Mineandemanie or slash Blue Meenie, where you can get some very nifty Blue Meeni t shirts, including the BWO shirt, which I still sell to this day. If you want

to follow me on, I thank you. If you would like to follow me on all my social media is go to whatever that social media is, Slash Blue Meeni, Bwo, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok, which I kind of haven't figured out yet, but you know that's for the kids, man. Yeah, it is what it is. You know. I don't want to do a video and then somebody's you know, does the reaction to it and the just videos. I bet you that would get over with the Yeah, you'd be over

that if it works out. Are you anywork uh coming up? Do you have any gigs that we should know about. Uh, May twenty eighth, I will be at fair Point Toys. My good friend Justin Daniels and Penelope's White Penelope have a really cool collectible store in maze Landing, New Jersey called far Point Toys. They're doing a little uh toy fair and I'm gonna have my blue miniaction figures and ten. So come on out and say hello. May twenty eight,

far Point Toys, Uh, Maze Landing, New Jersey. Right. Well, I must say this was very entertaining and therapeutic, therapeutic, long overdue. Again, I hate to, uh, you know, dwindle on the past, but I think a lot of and to be honest with you, there was a lot of things you told us today that I didn't know. So I'm glad. Yeah, I have closure now the whole situation. Here's the thing. There's like certain things you know, your family, so whatever you say is you know, you can say

whatever you want. But like if somebody else came up, like a stranger who doesn't know me that well, came up and the streams said something similar like yeah, mind your business power, you know it's it's you know, we're family, so we could talk. Yeah, And I didn't say anything out of line. I just lot of a lot of a lot of doors were still open that didn't have any resolutions to them, so I needed to. Now we're shutting the doors and everything's good. You heard it here.

Stop asking me, because there's the story. Yea, it is there. It is. But I love you, buddy, I love you too, and we'll have you on for part two because I feel like there's more fun that we need to get out of you so down the line, so much, so much. Tis is a good word. Hopefully you and I will be together in another signing because this weekend was was a good time and I have a like a mini road trip. It was. It was. It was easy and fun and those are the best times. But we'll talk soon.

Give missus meanie my love, and I will I'll be in touch, absolutely all right, doll, Thank you so much, take care, bye bye bye. How fun was that? That was so fun? That was so fun? That's great. Yes, And he's hilarious and a good friend of mine. So I hope you all enjoyed that because I did, because it was really funny. Yeah, I you know, I think everybody always talks about b W E CW. But you know that time he was in WWF and ninety nine

and threw into the early part of two thousand. I mean, he was in the Royal Rumble, he was at WrestleMania, he was in a big portion of TV for for a little bit of time there, and I think people forget about that. So cool that he could dial that back in the JBL story. He's great and his character is so like one of a kind and unique. And again I'm just I'm glad he didn't leave when things were looking grim because he's done so much and accomplished so much after that happened, So glad he was here.

And this will make a very fun YouTube clip in the future. Absolutely, That's what I was already thinking about, like a funny graphic of gas clouds. Yeah, the whole time he was talking, I'm like, this is going on YouTube, this could hold. So that was people with a disgusted face his right there, you know, right, But him and I to backtrack, we did have a great time with Nick over at Captain's Corner. We had a really nice turnout at the store. Last minute changed less than twenty

four hours. We had to change venues, but people did show up and it was a good time, and you know, the virtuals were fun. And Nick takes care of us greatly and said there was going to be a part three for me and a part two for Mimi, So looking forward to working with the Captain again. That indeed, it was very entertaining, so much so that I thought we should revisit it because I was entertained by it. And I think for the people that either don't know

how to see it, don't know what goes on. And we've talked about virtuals and stuff, Well, if you've never seen one, I have the access to present to you a recap, virtual recap, So it's not going to be the full time because you were on there for a while. I did two hours. Yeah, it's not gonna be the two hours. Words. I picked some highlights because you know, it's it's natural. You talk, you chit chat, you know,

you answer questions. It's very cool. So if you've never seen one before, we're going to drop one of those this week Patreon, this one with Nick from it. And I did a lot of singing that my throat was so sore when I came home because I was singing because the deal was if you bought something, you got to request a song, and I was. I was doing TV show themes. That was the the topic for that evening. So it was a lot of a lot of fun. I love we get the repertoire, you know, expanded. Look,

you have to keep these people engaged. No one wants to just see you sit there and twiddle on your phone. You know. I have to do things to make them want to buy stuff. I've seen those. I've seen those virtuals where the guys is just on their phone worrying. I tried to Yeah, that one's to Bill. Okay, oh fine,

thank you. And there was one point where I tried to get up and dance, but the way the camera was, it was all you saw were my breast and Nick goes, I don't think you want to dance at this angle. I go, okay. Then it was cool. It was a different setup too, so it was it was pretty good. Good. Yeah, it was fine. It was a lot of fun. Say thanks again to Nick and I look forward to working with him again. Finish Patreon, and then we need to talk about Virginia. Yes, absolutely, I sent you the pictures

in your emails. Perfect, But we're gonna talk about it on here as well. Yep, okay, So we're also we're going to have on our great good friend get my goes Mike Durband, who is a Patreon member who's going to come and say hi, And maybe we can learn a little bit more about Mike. You know, we when we bring out a patren member, it's get to know them. We kind of know him, you know, he's our he's our great good friend, like I said, and great good friend.

I love that to get my goal line. So maybe we'll learn a little bit more about the man behind the mike, more about Mike. Yeah, we'll see what he's gotten his time allotted. And then we're going to watch Mikey whipwreck who was going through a crisis on screen, taking on Tommy Dreamer, who is there to help set Mikey straight. But the ending gets a little craik crazy. I don't remember this at all. Yes, this is in the early time. I'm of doctor James Father James Mitchell

and Mikey's pairing. So Mikey is in the transition of lovable Mikey into that like eccentric Mikey and Dreamer is there to shut them up, but you get involved at the end and do I now, are you sure about that? Oh? You do? Oh, that's thought I did and I didn't this one? You do? You do? I earned my money this time? Okay, oh you yeah, you did well? That

sounds good. Yeah. I love the Patreon and if you're not a member, I suggest you head on over to uh www dot patreon dot com Forward slash Francine Podcast and check us out because there are literally hundreds of things for you to scroll through and enjoy, and you also get to DM with me. You also get a discord at a certain tier, and we do our private discord chats every week. If you want to join at the one hundred dollars level, you get to co host the show. I believe I'm the only one offering that

on in the podcasting world. I think you are. I think I am. I'm surprised no one has done it besides me. I'm a trendsetter. What can I say? You definitely are. I don't see the mind of me, me doing that. Yeah, I don't see that over there, He'll steal it eventually. That's okay, sir, good sir, You and I will be spending a weekend together coming up June fourth and fifth, or third and four? What's the fourth and fifth? Okay, Saturday? All right? Oh look that's sexy picture.

So the first Squared Circle Collectibles all right? Uh, and this guy, me and me and the the franchise will be appearing in Winchester, Virginia. I don't see a time. Do we know a time? Yes, it's two o'clock, two o'clock? Okay? Two to what? Four? Five? Six? Five? Two to five? All right? So Square Circle Collectibles thirty three forty three Valley Pike Sweet one hundred in Winchester, Virginia to six

zero two. Myself along with the franchise, we'll be offering photo ops U thirty, thirty and fifty for those who don't understand that it is thirty for a photo, thirty for an autograph or a combo for fifty dollars. And yeah, I haven't been to Virginia in a very long time

for anything. Yeah, so that'll be fun. And then the next day, which is June fifth, a public signing ladies and gentlemen with the four time ECW World Heavyweight Champion Shane Douglas again at the Sports sportsplexcuse me trade show that is on two twenty one Commonwealth Court in Winchester, Virginia to two six ZHO two that is from ten am to twelve pm. And I'm brought in by Ibexclusives dot Com for this one. The guy there is a good friend of mine and you know, great good friend.

He'll be there, a great good friend. The Chachter will be there too, and yeah, it'll be fine. I'm looking forward to this weekend. So just got the info. I'll put it on my Twitter. If you missed what I said, it'll be posted. But a long time since I've been to Virginia and I've never signed there with Shane, I don't think so. Well, you guys were in Richmond that when you did my show in Richmond a few years ago? Oh well how many years ago was that? At eighteen?

And that was about three hours south of was I with shame for that? Jane was also there. Yes, you guys were unofficially there together. Oh okay, all right, well yeah, but we weren't in Winchester. We're in Winchester and you guys are taking over Winchester beautiful, beautiful area. So now square circle Collectibles is a wrestling themed store in Winchester.

They've got guests there all the time, so you guys will be signing their Saturday and then this show Sunday is a sports card show, so it's your classic vendors and different people. There's a former Redskin is going to be there. I'd just have the name in front of me. There's a an actor who worked on The Walking Dead that's also going to be there that weekend, so it's going to be interesting Sunday, June fifth. Okay, is there is there a website that people can go to well

for Squats Circle Collectibles. They can go to Facebook and they can search out Squirts Cerver Collectibles for I be exclusives. This one is unofficially not on the website. This one is just promoted in the inter group here. All right, well, if you see it on my Twitter, please share to everyone that you know that lives in the Virginia area because Square Cirver Collectibles on Facebook. Okay, all right, sounds good. So we'll be there and yeah, it's gonna be good.

At this look at the shades. He's like, Hey, what's going on over here? He sees Yeah, i'd like that franchise. Look, it looks pretty good. I like that shirt. So all right, we got to get out of here now because we got some stuff waiting in the wings. Okay, fabulous. Where can people find you? At chatty and be on Twitter at IB Exclusives, on Instagram, ibexclusives dot com. If you want a perfectly rated shirt, got a couple left, just reach out to me and we'll get it to you.

And come and say hi on June fifth and Winchester. I can't wait to be there, all right. Then across the board on social media for myself, you can find me at ECW Diva Francine And with that, that is a wrap