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need a second peak out? That's how it is, but one boop is peaking out more than the other, so I'm trying to shimmy. That does not work. It there are supposed to be like this, Okay, there you go, but one boob was like, hey, how are you? An other group was like I'm not here. It's funny. I was gonna wear the same thing earlier, but I decided against it. I'm so glad you did. I was like, I had one or the other, let's go with this one. I'm glad you wore it. So what's going on? I

came off a really good weekend. Yeah, yeah, it was the Square Circle Expo tons of people were there. I wasn't sure, you know, what was going to happen. And I believe I was the only ECW representative that was booked. Yeah, I think you were. I think I was original. I should say, yes, there's a lot of ae W people there. There were a lot of xwwf WWE people there, but I was the lone ECW original representative. But it was good.

It was It was weird because people were actually arguing over COVID and the vaccine amongst the crowds, and you I heard, yeah, I heard people are arguing, and I was just like, really, are we doing that here? Like, come on. You know, before going in, I was told regulations said you have to wear your mask, you have to social distance and all this stuff. So I left

my mask on like the whole time. And I think I was one of the only talents that did that because I look at these pictures and nobody's wearing their mask, and I was like, oh, okay, we we thought we were supposed to wear a mask. But you know, and then you got the people saying, well, I'm vaccinated, take off your mask, and well I'm not vaccinated, so I'm going to leave my mask on, and it was just I don't know, I can't wait till this freaking pandemic's

over because people are going insane. That's all I have to say about that. But everybody was very nice, gracious, and we were busy the whole time. I had traffic the whole time, and it was good and a funny story. The guy Chad another Chad An. There's so many Chads in my life. The man that I had met at Disney a couple of years ago, that he had the booth across from me. He's a character do you say that character? Caricature character character artists. He draws cartoons and

people look silly. That's what he draws. He was across from me and I popped. I was like, oh my god, it's Chad Cha Yes, yes, so shout out to Chad. Uh. He does great work. He did a drawing of me and I thought he was giving it to me, but no, he made me sign it and he took it away. But that was fun to see him, and yeah, it was It was a good time. I had a good time. I hung out, I got to hang out with some

of our friends. Jimmy Wyne Yang was there, hung out with him, hung out with Medusa, hung out with sharp Boy. It was. It was nice, It was, it was a nice time. You definitely were the only mask person that I saw in the coverage of all the pictures and stuff people were sharing. You the only one, but you had your fashionable queen mask off. Yeah. Well, the first day I wore just the basic black dress, and I said, okay,

this is this is flashy, it's my bling. And then the second day I wore this very sparkly silver dress and that mask would have been atrocious with it. So I just donned the regular, regular black one. But I mean I was told I needed to wear one, so I wore it. I don't know, rule follower, I did. Everybody else I guess was a rebel, but not You're the only one, and you were in the rebel I know. I said, I don't want to get in trouble, you know,

And I honestly, I don't know. But it was a good weekend nonetheless, and you know, I had a lot of fun. How was the getting off the plane and running right to the to the venue. It's probably been a while to do something like that. So here's the funny part. My plane landed early. It landed out landed about thirty five to forty minutes early, and Chad didn't

realize that it did. So he had just landed and he I guess he had to take an uber and he had just gotten to the hotel and I'm like, hey, I just landed, and he's like, I just got to the hotel. So he would have waited for me. So he had to come back and he found a guy who would drive him instead of doing the uber because the uber was sixty dollars both ways. You know, you

do that a couple of times. It's expensive, that's very So I said, okay, I'll wait and I was waiting not a baggage, but I was waiting on ground transportation, which was I guess the second level. By the time he gets back and gets Dan, he goes to baggage and he's like where are you. I'm like, I told you, I'm a ground transportation. They couldn't find me, so finally I had to walk back down stairs. So I wasn't

picked up until after five o'clock. Oh wow, But I had landed at like four thirteen or four to ten or something like that, so you would have made it just in time or on time it start four or five. Oh, you would have been right there. Yeah, there you go, you made it. Yeah. It was quite the interesting weekend to watch, excuse me, a lot, I mean just and

a good thing. It was overwhelming to see the response from the fans that were posting, because I was very happy to see from a convention point of view, people responded and people showed up and it looked like everybody was relatively busy. It was very busy. It was very big. There were a lot a lot of fans showed up, you know, and some had masks on and some said,

do you mind if I take my mask off? And I mean, you know, it was it was like a normal convention, only people had mask on, right pretty much. But we were busy, you know, the whole time we were there. And then I did a virtual on top of the two days signing and that went well. And you know, I said, if every weekend could be this good, I wouldn't mind being on the road. Right, Sometimes you get duds in there, but this one was very, very profitable, So it was good. It was a good time. Any

good delicacy in the Indiana area that you enjoyed. It was funny. The first night we go in, they had a restaurant in the hotel. It was an Italian restaurant. I'm using my quotes because the men you had like burgers, fried fish, like at the weirdest. It wasn't just Italian food. So we said we'll just eat there, and they were They weren't serving food after six point thirty and we

had no clue and it was like nine o'clock. So we got drinks and we ordered pizza hut, and we figured, well we'll sit in here, yeah, because that was all that we could find was pizza. And I never I mean at home, I eat at five o'clock. We're early birds in the sause. We eat at five o'clock, done by five thirty, dishes are done by six, and we're all hanging out. I'm eating pizza at nine thirty ten o'clock at night. My stomach is getting ripped open. But

I said, well, we'll have a cocktail. So my cocktail of Chorist is always fireball and cherry coke or coke with grenadine. And I told the waitress, you know, can you do no problem? She puts it in front of me, it is straight whiskey and it's not fireball. Jesus, I said, what is this? So after that first and it was a glass. It wasn't like a shot of whiskey. It was a whole glass. And like Chad ordered a mott I think he ordered a Moscow mule or something and

he got a mojito. It was so randomly off, and so she came around for seconds and she's like, do you want another word? I was like, I do, but I'd like to drink that I ordered, and she ended up making it for me and she did it perfect. But the bartender was screwing up everybody's drinks. So I was a little tipsy because of I tall whiskey. It's like, oh my god, this is like I hated it, but I drank it because I didn't want to, you know, waste waste the drink. But so that was the first night.

The second night, we went back in time and I had a delicious chicken chicken stuffed chicken with mushroom risotto, and it was so good that it looked like I licked my plate because there was nothing left. Well, we didn't eat all day either. We had no food all day long. So that was the first meal I had, and uh, I made it count because I ate the whole thing. And you said it was hot in the in the Oh my god, I said, am I going through menopause? Or is it warm in here? Because it

was so hot, I was like perspiring. That's how bad it was. It didn't feel like they had the air on. So the next day I tweeted them and I was like, can you please crank the air up today because it was awful. You know, you got a bunch of wrestling fans packed like sardines and then you're you're standing there and it's just freaking hot. You know, it's not fun. And a lot of guests too. I mean, there was a ton of talent on the on the shows. A

lot of the e W guys were there. I met Nyla Roche because I know Vicky Guerrero and Vicky and I met her. She was very sweet. I saw Britt Baker walk by. They had their own I think they their own room, like I guess was the aw So I didn't go in the room. But when I was getting off the elevator, Vicky and Nila were coming on,

so I got to talk to them. It's not like you said anything complimentary about Britt Baker in the past like month or two, you know, where people might want to show a little bit of respect to those who came before them. But yeah, she just kind of walked by me like maybe you know what the younger generation they might not know. And that's okay. I don't take offense to it. I do, I do, but I just but here's what I can tell you though. It is not just wrestling, right, we just think like, you know, oh,

it's the old fans or whatever. I say something, my brother sends me the giff of old man yelling at the cloud. Right, That's what every time I complain about something. It's baseball. The older baseball players. They hate how they're getting ignored by today's current regime in the cross and it's fascinating to not like it doesn't just stick to one genre. It's it's cyclical, you know. It connects all different realms of entertainment and sports. Like everybody kind of

feels the same way. I think. You gotta hello, that's hello, Lit'll shake little dead hand shake. There you go. Yeah, But it wasn't like I was I think I was. I was standing in the hall and she walked by or something. It wasn't like I was at my table and she looked at me and ignored me. I don't agree with I don't agree with that. Uh. You know, everybody says, well, you have to study who came before you, and you have to be respectful, and you have to do for me. It's like if you didn't watch ECW,

it's fine. You know, maybe that wasn't your cup of tea, or maybe you were too young to experience it. And now you might be into today's wrestling and you don't watch the old stuff. I get it. You know. The only way I would be offended is if I will if I went up to her and I said hello, Francine, and then she looked at me, and then I might have said ECW and maybe she blew me off after that, then I would have been like, okay, bitch. But it wasn't.

It's not like that. And everybody, for the most part, is respectful and nice. And you know, Nilo was just like, oh, so nice to meet you, blah blah blah, and I said, I admire your work, thank you so much. She's very soft spoken and very sweet and that's really the only aw person that I came in contact with, because, like I said, they had their own room and we were

in another room. I saw Kevin, which was very nice jacket with his flashy jacket on his big you a f. I don't remember his jacket he had was like this big, crazy, flashy sports coast was it? I don't really remember, but I do, uh I do? I want to say that I was on Twitch. I was live on Twitch both days from the convention, and the Pope walked by and it was hysterical because he didn't see me. He just kept walking and he has professed his love to me

in the past, so he just kept walking. He ignored me, and I was like, oh that's okay. I said, you could put me over on on you know, the the internet, but then you ignore me in real life. And he freaked out and he came running over and he took over my Twitch. My husband hilarious. It was great. But he looks great and he's doing great in the n w A. I'm very happy for, you know. And then we have to mention this new jack got the news

when I was on twitch on Friday. Oh that's how you got the news, Yeah, I didn't hear, and I said, oh, let me try to go live, you know, because right, and the chat's going and then one guy in the chat says, oh, did you hear new Jack died? Yea, And I was like what yeah, And so I looked to my left and I said to Chad, he's saying nu Jack died. So Chad like was like what and he looks and then boom it just hit. Oh yeah, it blew up. Now do you want to talk about

it as an extra the whole? I want to talk about him as an extra, but talk about now what you want to. I mean, we're doing that. We'll just finish your story about I just that's not the way I wanted to find out, because then I had to stop the stream, like I was just like, well, I don't feel like talking anymore. Yeah, I'm sad, you know what I mean. But I found out they're a fan, and you know, I feel bad for his wife and his children, and uh, just I'm so sick of people

from our locker room dying. Like it's it's just too much. So yeah, we'll talk, like I said, we'll talk about it as an extra. And not wanting to tease it, not saying stay tuned, but I want to talk about the full thing. I have a couple of points I want to bring up, but that I mean it literally it dropped and I texted you, But I guess the second I texted you, you must have just found out. I texted Shane. Shane had known, I don't think by

that point. Then he said I just got the call from you, and he yeah, we'll talk about it on the extra though it was quite quite the Friday for sure, and since even now people still talking about him, so we'll catch up on that. Yeah. I definitely brought the room down, and I just had this sick feeling in my stomach and I was like I have to go. I'm sorry, and everybody we understand, you know. And then fans coming over to the table, did you hear? And I'm like, yes, if it was one person, it was

one hundred people. Did you here? And it's like it's somebody said, of course she heard them, like oh did you know him? Well, of course she did. She worked with us, Like you know, everybody wants to be the first to tell you. I guess so, but it was just, you know, when people were telling me stories and giving me the X side and I was just sitting there like I can't deal with this right now, like please stops, it's too much. So yeah, anyway, a crazy, crazy week.

I'm trying to think there was another thing I wanted to ask you about, but oh did you see and it's just a funny side thing. As we wait for our guests to pop on, did you see the WWE zombie thing? No? I saw a picture. It was miss surrounded by four zombies excuse me, and everybody just telling me how stupid it was. And I said, well, what's the tie in? And they said Batista is doing a zombie movie? And I said, well, was Batista there? And

they said no, where's the tie in? But then they just mention it and zombies appeared, so they it was a lumberjack match, and I guess they were unnamed lumberjacks and to tie in the movie, the zombies were the lumberjacks. Now, one guy I listened to said, here's the funny part. The lumberjacks followed the rules of the lumberjack match and threw the guys back into the ring. Would have thought zombies could have followed rules like that if they were

true zombies, wouldn't they be biting them? Well, if they bit them and then the guys transformed into a zombie. So here's the clever part about wrestling. Right when it all works out, MS gets devoured, I guess by the zombies are surrounded by them. And he's now out for six months with like a knee injury, so he's gonna be off TV. So maybe he could come back against a zombie. All right, let's take a minute right here

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to join the program. Yes, I have not seen him in forever. I think I saw him, I think in New York at the last Wrestle con and I saw him this past weekend at Squat Circle Expo, and I was like, please come on the show, and it's Sharp Boy. Welcome, Welcome the Eyes of here, Sharp Boy. Okay, so we're just starting from the beginning. Just start from the beginning. Well, okay, So I am thrilled that I saw you this past weekend at the Square Circle Expo. Now, I know, COVID

has hit everybody really, really hard. This is one of the first conventions back for me since January of twenty twenty. Have you been out and about like before COVID, were you actively working or are you just like here and there? Yeah, I'm just kind of here and there, you know, And then COVID pretty much brought everything to a complete halt. So it was it was really nice to get out and do this thing in Indianapolis. You know, it's just

been such a long time. It was great to see everybody, great to connect with the fans again, it felt like things were kind of starting to get back to normal finally, right, And you had mentioned that you did you worked a tag Saturday night at the Square Circle Expo. When was the last match before this that you had? I want to say, I know I did something else in Indianapolis in the fall, and I might have had one other thing,

but I don't know. I would say no. You know, October was probably the last time I was in the ring, so just rust was just falling off me in the Stag team match. How did you feel? How's your body feeling? You know, I'm getting older now. Everything hurts more. It's it's not as much fun anymore. I mean, the you know, the entertaining part is still very fun, but then the way I feel after the match is over, you know, it's you know, it's the older you get, the herder

this it's a young man's game, that's for sure. Yeah. I find h I love conventions because even though I have trouble sometimes getting up and down out of my chair, right, but you know, it's less toll on the body, sure, And I feel like, you know, at this stage in the game, we've all earned the right to not bump anymore and just sign you know. I agree. So I love those. I love doing them. I want to land more of those. I because I've only done a handful. Really,

Russell Con was a big one. I think maybe we talked about that a little bit. Was I saw you in New York City a couple of years ago at restaurant. That was the biggest one I've done. But I've done a handful of them, but not enough. I'd like to do more of those. It's like you said, when the when the biggest of you know, uh, physical thing you're doing is getting up, you know, up and down out of a chair. That's that's what you want at this stage in your career, right exactly? Well, I will if

you want to do them. I will definitely keep an ear open, yeah, and try to help you as much as I can. You know, I think you should be on Cameo, yeah, because I'm so technologically great here. But the gear that you're wearing, the sharp Boy mask, I think it is a niche. I think you have that certain something and I think Cameo would be a great fit for you. But we can talk about that later, okay. I can get you involved in that if you'd like,

what a recruiter? Yeah, yeah, what a recruiter. That's what I do. Uh. But we were talking before you started at the power plant in ninety nine. Yes, and tell us again who was in that group of guys that you started with. Well, right when I came in, Jimmy Yang had just started. Jamie Nobles also in my group, and then there were some guys that had already been there for a little while. I don't know where to start, Chuck Colombo, Mike Sanders, Alan Funk, crow Bar, a whole

lot of people. You know, it was a pretty good sized class when I first got there, and then of course things started to go downhill for the company, and then the cuts started to come, and it seemed like, I don't know, every mighty have been thirty or forty guys when I started, and by the end it got down to about a dozen or whatever, and so kind of the you know, the way what the joke was, if you saw the FedEx man come and you know, get the hell out of there, you know, cutting him off,

jumping before he can deliver the uh, you know, the paperwork that says you've been and cut. You know. The next man was the Big Heel. Yeah, when when you were training, were you thinking about like the cruiser weight division. You know, when they signed me, there was actually this project apparently that Eric Bischoff was doing that was, uh, it was going to be sort of like the way it was described to me, they were going to do like a Power Rangers pro wrestling, kind of like a

separate project. And I was actually signed to be a part of that, and so was Jamie Noble. I think Jimmy Yang as well, and so we were brought in for the separate project that never wound up materializing. So some of us, Yeah, so some of us sort of got worked into the main roster as a result of that project getting scrapped. I think that's really interesting. I've never heard about that one. Yeah, it was some kind of separate project they were doing. I don't I don't

really know that. The way it was describing me was sort of like Power Rangers. I think it was going to be like a kid oriented kind of show. Interesting. Did you hear about that, Chad, I've heard about it in the past. Yes, huh. Okay, So it would have

been a different show than Thunder or Nitro. You guys would have been the stars of this showing towards children, maybe like a Saturday Morning kind of you know, action adventure kind of wrestling themed thing for kids was kind of what I was picturing, but they wound up scrapping the project before it really you know, went anywhere at all. So yeah, So how did you enjoy your time at

w CW. Did you find it, you know, pleasing, because I know, like going to coming from ECW, which I loved, and then going to a place like WWE, it just wasn't my cup of tea. But here you are, You're green, and you're you're switching over and you're you're getting on television quickly. That's what happened to me. Were you comfortable with the role that they gave you? Did you come

up with the Shark Boy gimmick? Yeah, I'd been I'd been being I started doing Shark Boy in May of ninety seven, so it was a couple of years on

the indies that I was doing. Yeah, I did. I'll tell you where I first kind of got recognized was I did the first Brian Pillman memorial show in nineteen ninety eight, and I know Chris Canyon was there, and I think he's one of the you know, he's sort of scouting and saw me and came up and talked to me, which you know, blew me away as I was a Mortis fan, so it was kind of you know, it was amazing to me. He came over and said, you know, I'm gonna keep an eye on you. You You

got some talent and that sort of thing. Wow, Holy you know, holy cow. You couldn't ask for anything more than that. So then in ninety nine, I think I remember Terry Taylor was at that one, So it was kind of like w CW was sending people to sort of scout talent maybe at certain events, and the Pilman Shows was one of them. So ninety nine was really my big break. They I did a cruiserweight tournament. They put me over three times in one night. A big

surprise happened at the end. Mick Foley and Al Snow and d Loo Brown ran out and lifted me up on their shoulders and carried me around the ring. And so this story of course made it back to WCW and I got signed right after that, so that was kind of, yeah, that's kind of the way it happened.

You never know, who's watching you? Right, Well, it was a high profile thing the filming shows because all three of the major companies sent representatives WWEWCW, and ECW on every show was represented, and that was something that wasn't happening in the business at all at that time. So yeah, yeah, I think you would have done well in ECW. Yeah, and everybody thinks I was there for some reason. I

remember seeing you in ECW. I'm like, no, you don't, I was so Yeah, it seems like the gimmick, the gimmick would have fit right, It would have fit right in though. Yeah, I mean we you know, a lot of our wrestlers didn't really have gimmicks, so to speak. But I think yours, I think yours would have been a good fit for some some crazy reason, I don't know. I just feel like it would have worked, right, I

think so too. That's a shame. I mean, there's so many people, there are so many people that wanted to work for EASW that never did work for ECW that I feel like if we had them, it just would have worked. And I think you would have been one of them. But thank you. Yeah, yeah, but I know there there was a gimmick for a little bit with you and Daphney. You were Shark where she was Sharp Girl. I feel like she came up with that. But what

was the story behind that pairing. Yeah, she just kind of came to me and said, I really want to be Sharp Girl, and yeah, yeah, okay, I believe so yeah, okay, she had said that to me, and she was really you know, she's like, I got I got somebody working on a mask. I know what I wanted to look like. And she was just very excited about the idea. And I was flattered because I was a fan of her work, you know in w CW. So I was like, yeah, let's do that. If anybody's gonna be Shark Girl, and

you know, it's got to be you obviously. So we uh so, yeah she did that and then we we did it I think maybe once or twice on TNA maybe, uh And then we did it on the indies, you know, and and that was really all we got to do with it. But always great working with her, and you know, she's an aw the sweetheart. There you go, there we are. Yeah,

So the office in TNA didn't like the pairing. I'm not sure exactly what I know you know when when when I first it was kind of like I'd just gotten a TNA and they came to me with the idea, and I remember my first reaction was, well, they don't really know who I am yet, so it might be kind of soon to throw a second character, you know what I mean. So I know I was I wasn't Initially I was a little bit resistant to doing it

on TNA. I would rather establish Sharkboy for a few months and then oh, look and there's this sharp girl too. You know, I thought that, you know what I mean, I thought that would have been the way to do it. So I know, initially I may have drugged my feet a little bit on the idea, but you know, I was never opposed to it. I wanted to do it. It's just I thought it would have been smarter to establish shark Boy first, got you know, That's how I

thought about it. Then. So you you've been working before the power plant. You said you were a couple of years in the indies, and then you get your big break. You work for WCW doesn't really work out because the company goes under, a year goes by, and then TNA comes around. Now, for that year, like, do you go back to the Indies? Are you heartbroken? Did you think your career was over? Like where's your mind at once? WCW folds. Yeah, I mean I never thought my career

was over. Not at that point. I was. I was still pretty young, you know, I was in my early to mid twenties there, So I mean I still I figured I had plenty of time to you know, I just was gonna have to find another way back up, you know, back up there, you know. And the other thing was what's going to happen? Is it just going to be WWE and that's it, you know, not going to be another you know. So I was really excited to find out that Jarrett's were starting TNA, and I

saw that as a big opportunity. I knew Jeff already and Jeremy Borash was very instrumental in helping me get a try out there as well. So between Jeff and Jeremy, I knew I would have at least have an opportunity with TNA. And I never left the inn DS, to be honest with you, I mean I was still kind of you know, even when I was with WCW. If an opportunity popped up, I thought I could go do another show. I would, And even when I was with TNA,

I worked then D's pretty much the whole time. So you know, I never never I never really left the inn D's and I never gave up, especially at that point in time. I really thought that I still would get another opportunity, and thankfully I did so. So when you worked for WCW, you were allowed to work other shots. Even though you didn't say that, we figured out ways to do it, you know what I mean. Yeah, even when we were at the power Plant that you know,

that was kind of the thing. We would, uh, you know, three or four of us would go do an Indian mum's the word hush hush, and you know they kind of look the other way. The big rule was don't get hurt. You know, as long as you didn't get hurt on the indie or there wasn't going to be a problem. But you know a lot of guys did that. I think not so much for the money. The money was just as terrible as it always is on the indies,

but it was more the experience. A lot of us weren't working in front of crowds very often, just working out and the power plant was not quite the same thing. Now, did your opportunities have to go through the office or were you just booking yourself? Yeah, we were pretty much just booking ourselves. Yeah, it's pretty good. Well, the guys that are, the guys that were down there knew the places in Atlanta, around Atlanta where you could go and

work an independent show, you know what I mean. So we would there were certain places that, like I said, the office just kind of looked the other way. You were in trouble if you got hurt though, and I found that out firsthand. So cause you got hurt on one of the shows. Yeah, Jimmy Yang kicked me in the ear and split my ear open. Yeah he was, he was, he was green as grass back then. But yeah, he it bled through the mask, that's how bad it was. And yeah, so I had to I had to go

to the doctor. I had to go to the emergency room that night, and they they glued it shut, you know, my ear right, and they said it should be fine. You know, he'll he'll, he'll back up everything to find just be very careful. So I had to go in the power plant the next morning, pretend like nothing was wrong with my ear. So I go to lock up with one of the other guys and on the lock

up boom, blood everywhere. I'd busted it back open. So now I'm now w CW is sending me to the emergency room under the you know guy that I had been hurt at one of their practices. Okay, So I get there and the doctor's like, what is all over your This is glue? Did you just have this? You know? And he was furious with me. He's like, I can't believe you got in the ring today like this, you know,

he says. And they had to put this really painful stitch or two in there that was really awful, And he said, You're lucky I don't have to bring in a cosmetic surgeon. You almost lost your ear. So that was all that was all done under the guise of

not letting the office find out we were doing independent shows. Now, now, can I make a suggestion, and this is probably twenty years too late, but why didn't you wear your mask to the paraplant that day and just cushing up that ear with a bunch of gauze and have the mask over you and nobody would have known about your ear maybe, but I would have had to do that for like two weeks or whatever, however long it takes for the ear to heal, right, of course, but you're at the gimmick.

I mean, give it twenty four seven. I'm just gonna wear my mask all day. Well yeah, and that's the other thing I would have stuck out. Nobody else will to wear their gimmick to practice. You were getting into role. I love it. I would in hindsight, I probably should have done exactly what you're saying. They want to cover it up your ear, for sure, and then you take the mask if you go, oh, I don't know, my ear got caught on something in the mask a little.

What happened to it? It's no exactly. Wow. Wow, that's that's crazy. So now you're in TNA. You said you were there for ten years, give or take. Yeah, my character, I think I had a contract for maybe nine or ten years. They would, you know, they'd put me on the shelf sometimes and take me back off the shelf, and so was it kind of felt very kind of off and on. But I was under contract to them for probably nine, maybe nine or ten years. Wow, that's a long time. Yeah, yeah, why did you, I'll tell

you they. It got to a point where I had, you know, a certain number of guaranteed dates, as you get with a contract, and I got a call from Terry Taylor and he said, we're not going to be able to meet your dates. We're probably gonna wind up exercising the out clause and maybe we'll talk about you know. I said, well, I'm still under contract for another three, three or four months or whatever, and you're telling me I won't be working in that time. He said, no,

I don't. We don't think we'll be able to match what we told you, you you know. So at that point, I said, well, you might as well just give me my release. Then he's like, you're asking for your release and I said, well, you're telling me you're going to keep me under contract for three or four months and not use me, so yeah, i'd rather, you know. He said, well,

do you think you can find opportunities elsewhere? And I said, well, I don't know if I can or not, but I know I don't want to stay in a contract with someone who's not going to use me, so yeah, that's I asked for my release. At that point, it just felt like the right time. But would you have been paid for that four months if you paid? Not the way my No, it wasn't a guaranteed, you know, not the way it was set up, I wouldn't have been paid. So yeah, I would have rode that to the very

last minute. If I was going to get paid. Sure, if I was getting a check every week, yeah, no problem. But that's not that's not the way it was set up. Okay, I got you. So when you when you were released, what year was that? Oh gosh, I don't know. If I had to guess, would would that have been twenty ten? Right about then? Some something like that? Okay, so maybe the last decade you're not working for a major fred you're still doing indies here and there. Yeah, pretty much.

Are you loving life more that you can make your own decisions? Oh that's a really good question. I'll tell you. I've I've completely rebooted things. I've got a new I'm on my second marriage, I've got a new kid. So yes, I enjoy I enjoy all that, you know what I mean as a new kid. I have a new kid. When I bought a new kid, Yeah no, I so I mean, yes, I'm enjoying life more now. I do feel like I'm more in control. I'm definitely smarter about everything.

I mean, you know, the business and family and everything. So yeah, I see this, I see this is a good It's definitely a good time in my life, for sure. You know, do I miss being on national television? Yeah? I mean that's what kind of you know, made all of this possible, was getting to be on national TV and they made an action figure out of me, they put me in a video game. You know, of course you missed that kind of thing when it goes away, but you know, I'm still kind of reaping the benefits

of all of that now, so right. Yeah, And you know what's crazy is that you look back and people talk about, you know, the eighties and the early nineties, these iconic names and the guys that will live on forever on shows. But your character, your gimmick is one of those modern day gimmicks that's going to be able to live on forever because people, as they find you

and they see this shark mass, you become identifiable. And to think, you know, when I first started watching you, all the way back when you debuted in TNA, to now, it's like, well, it's unbelievable how long the gimmick has lasted. And that's a estimate to your work. Well, thank you. Yeah, And you know, it's like you said. With you, I always say kids love robots, insects and sharp you know, and like kids are just kids are just always going to be sort of drawing to this character. I saw

it at the convention Indianapolis. These kids will come over and be, oh my, you know, and how do they know who I am? They're too young to see me on television there, you know, But it's because their parents or somebody said, hey, look there's this guy who dressed like a shark. And you know, thanks to YouTube, I'm alive forever and you know. So, yeah, it is one of those things. It's just gets hung around, and I hope, you know, it's like you said, it'll just it'll just

continue to stay around, you know. And I've been really lucky in that regard. I think no, absolutely, I think boobs have the same effects. They do different. Sometimes men will say, I don't know who you are, but it looks pretty good. Can I get sure? Hell that might even be more true than what I just said. Oh gosh, well, where can people find you if they want to know more about the Shark Boy. I'm on Twitter and my

handle is a shark Boy twenty four underscore seven. Uh, that's me on Twitter, and that's really the best place because anything that happens I get on there and sort of talk about it, plug it or whatever. So that's what I would say. Come come visit me at Twitter. Follow me on Twitter. Okay, well, I would love to talk to you a little more about getting you out there because I feel I can lend a helping hands, so to speak. Cool, awesome, that'd be great. Discuss stuff

further later. But I'm so happy I ran into I love running into guys that I don't get to see very often, so you know, and like I said, you caught me after that first glass of whiskey, so I was but it was, you know what, I just thought of something else I could plug I have. I have a pro wrestling tease. Oh yeah, I'm on there. I'm on there. I got some T shirts on there. But so you just look under shark Boy. Yeah, I'm the only one there. You going, who else is dressed like this? Well?

I love the gimmick. I think it's and like you said, it. You know, it draws. You're you're going to draw the kids because of the mask, but you're going to draw the adults because of your talent. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I love running into you too, And I don't do a whole lot of these things. I don't know if you can tell that by by the problems I had with the technology here, but uh, yeah, I don't do all. You know, like when you asked me,

I said, I will do this for you. I appreciate that. It's like I said, it's so nice. I just felt like people should know what's going on with you. And if you do want to tip your toes in the water, we got to get your face out there. So even if it's under a mask, but this is how people know who you are. So I'm thrilled to chat with you and you know, keep in touch and if you need anything, let me know. All right, thank you so much, Thank you both for having me. Thank you Francine, awesome,

Thanks my friend. Okay, take care, guys, sayah, all right, let's finish up here on this end, so we don't we don't have to go and record you know, ten million times, but we'll go right into our patriots. So for the magic of editing, nobody had to go through what we had to get through getting Sharp Boy connected on a few different potential multi mediums here. But we

got it done and that's the most important part. Now, his picture was frozen, but we just went with it right and that was fine because I heard him crystal clear, so exactly. It's such a nice guy. Yes, and I feel like he's again he's one of the ones that are underrated, and people, you know, may not know he's still out there, but he is. He's out and about and he looks great and he's just a nice person.

So I really like Shark Boy. I don't think he's perfectly rated because you know, I don't really I don't know it. Yeah, I don't know how much of a discussion there was. He's pretty good as being the guy who's the shark, so he kind of in a class by himself and staple of those TNA days for a good ten years, you know, And I know I didn't

realize he was there for that long. Yeah, prossive. Yeah, And it begs the question, why would you drop a guy like that if you can market him the way he was talking about but he's very smart about his business, so that's probably why they couldn't do it the way that they wanted to. All Right, And I've learned stuff that I didn't know, so I enjoy these interviews when when I could get popped like that because I had no clue, that's great, very cool, very cool. All Right,

So I'm Patreon. I can't pop the little banners up because we're recording up oh right as we speak, So I'll have to just you'll have to take my word for it. Okay, First and foremost, we're going to talk about New Jack, okay, and just talk about you know, it doesn't have to be the you know, a long epic episode. It's just you know, quick memories, you know again, the reaction when you got the call, that kind of response, that kind of thing. But we'll talk about New Jack

because it was. It was a very nice response from the wrestling world. I thought all weekend and still to this day. We are going to do any extreme? Remember we were talking about last week put extreme in front of everything and it sounds a little grittier. Well, we're gonna do extreme, would you rather questions? Oh? How extreme are we? So they're basically the same, you know, dirty style. Would you rather questions? I just threw extreme on the front of it, Okay, okay, and then this is gonna lie.

I swear I have never seen this. I vaguely remember maybe hearing about it, but I've I've witnessed this for the first time, and I have to bring it to the air. Okay, we are going to watch the fm W tenth Anniversary show with the we W Tag Team Championship on the line between He's Takatsu Oya and tetsu Hero Corota versus Raven and Tommy Dreamer with Francy. I've never seen this before. Okay, No, no, no, the the historyonics around it, or what I gotta talk to you about. Okay,

do you know what I'm talking about? I remember the night I remember no no, no no, no no, Then you don't remember any if you're just saying you remember the night. We got to talk about the details, Okay. This is everything of a Japanese wrestling show and a Japanese like entertainment show all rolled into a wrestling event. Yeah, I remember there was another woman in the ring with me, yes all but yes, yes, yes, that's the Oh. The match itself. I mean, I knew ECW work with VMW.

That's not what I'm talking about. What is going on is like I don't know what's going on because it's freaking Japanese and you could tell, you could tell, you could tell. So we'll watch that from the first entrance to the final exit. We're going to watch it. So that's Patreon. Well let's go. If you want to follow me, it's at Chad E and B on Twitter and Instagram. Website is ib exclusive dot com. Check it all out. A lot of cool things going on. The remaining perfectly

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