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right now. This is Eyes up Here, and you're watching and listening to an all new Eyes up Here Patreon. I'm a creative control network and everywhere in between. You didn't know by now my name is Chad. Every single week I'm joined here by the the rocking out Queen of Extreme, Francy Francine. I threw a little curveball. I brought a little uh extra production values at this broadcast today. Are we allowed to air guy clip? It is very approved and safe stream Yard issued background. Oh yeah, that

was a very nice time. You need to need to see more of that in the future. It adds to the the whole shebang of the show. I feel it's very funny. There's a lot of choices, but I thought that one worked with our theme of extreme. We have a theme. Well, you're it's the Queen's Extreme podcast. True, sure, francis Extreme podcasts. So it's extreme extreme. Everything's extreme these days. Everywhere you go, everything's extreme. Right. Oh yeah, Well, anything

happening in either one of our worlds. I don't think it matters what isn't happening? Yeah, I just you know, I really would love to get into it a little more. But I've I'm working with four different people on four different projects that have to do with with wrestling and a little bit beyond. And you know, you work on all these projects and it's exhausting because ninety nine percent of them never happen. You just work and work and work. But I'm I'm like, I'm not throwing all my eggs

into one guy's basket. Like I've read the eggs around, which doesn't sound right. Let me rephrase that, reads the eggs around. Okay, basket, No, that didn't sound correct. You figure one out of four is a good percentage. So if I can get one of these projects to take off, I would be a happy camper. So I've just between you know, the kids are back to school this week, doing the homeschooling thing. You know, husband's doing his thing at work. I got the kids here, my mom's here,

I'm handling phone calls. I knocked out my cameos this morning early. So it's been a productive week for me. It's been pretty good. We closed the pool, which I'm sad about. Summer's over. I can't by, but we did book a little more of Disney, so that made me happy again. So things are happening. I don't know. I got a very exciting text message from a friend about

a new opportunity that somebody's interested for me. So I'm just like, I'm excited, and I don't know if anything's gonna happen, but the possibilities are there, so I'm excited. The possibilities are endless. I wouldn't say they're endless, but there's a couple on the table. Okay, pretty good for this old broad So I'm excited. I'm happy about it. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's great. See the fifty and Fabulous tour. I can't use I can't stop the bus.

The bus has to keep going for a while. You know, how's it been being home last couple of weekends because you were traveling a shitload at the end of your Yeah, you know what, it's been nice. And I said before, like September, Shane and I are we were booked on one thing and then the guy canceled, which kind of was a blessing. Well it was a blessing because you know, I wanted to get the kids started with schoolwork and stuff.

But now I look at October, and I'm booked three weekends in October because I just got another booking this week for October, and I'm like, wow, okay, so I'm going to enjoy this time off because then you know, once October and November and December. Hey, I got a lot coming up. So I cherished the time home. But I'm excited to get back on the road too. That's great. Yeah, I love this time of the year. This is this is a fun time. You know, whether it should be changing,

but down in Virginia stays ungodly hot. But this is my favorite time of the year. And it's like a time of transition, especially after Labor Day. It's like that next little wave of the rest of the year is going to unfold and who knows what's going on. You know, you're planning your Disney trip for next year already. It's it's one of those things. It's like there's only a little bit left in the year. Yeah, so yeah, I know, And this year flew by and it was a busy

one and I'm really thankful for it. But you know, the time that I do have off, I love spending it with the kids and the family. Been you know, we've been just hanging out doing stuff together and it's been nice, enjoyed. What what'd you do for the Labor Day? Oh, we just chilled. It was just a very relaxing weekend. Eight food of course, like everybody else, we went and got an abundance of comfort food and just hung around and enjoyed the weather and hung out. So it was nice.

That's that's very good. There's a ton to talk about there, it is. But we do have a special guest we do. I have to get my excuse me for one second, talk to the people. I have to grab my phone. I left it in the other room. Oh my god, So hold on one second and talk to the people. Oh, because he just texted me, Are you guys calling me? Or am I calling in to you guys? So let me tell our guests that we're going to get him.

He just texted me. He just it was right. I could see it from where I was sitting, but it was just that much out of reach where I could have get it. He's like, are you guys calling me? Or am I calling into you guys? He just has to click the thing and I'm just I just read chat. It's going to call you get ready, Well, we're going to click. I'm sitting Tell them you do it? Come on? You know how he is by now? I mean, it's just it's it's not like he's a first timer. I

think he's in the five time club. Now is this his fit appearance on the show? Oh? Boy? Well he deserves it the five times? Is he the founding member of the five time? He's one of those guys who's been there every step of the way he has been. Okay, well, I'll do a long intro for him. Uh, he's been my partner now for thirty it's thirty years. I guess from that intro you would know who he is. We on the line yet, hold on, I'm doing the one. Okay, sorry.

With everything that has happened in the wrestling business since his last appearance chat and I thought it would be interesting to get his views on current events and also Vince McMahon and what's going on with him. There was a video of him at his what was it his seventy seventh birthday party or something and a new lady friend who could be pr and could be a love interest. I don't know, but he did not want to talk

to tmzret the cameras. But I know who likes to talk to the cameras, and that is our friend the franchise, Shane Douglas, who will be joining us here in just a moment. Shortly, shortly, Okay, he will be appearing soon. But he's gonna have a lot to say about this because when when the ship hit the fan, my phone blew up and it's him. That was all him for a while, saying what about this? What about that? And between the text messages and talking on the phone, we

discussed a lot of it off air. So I want you guys to hear his thoughts because you know, he's very smart to the business and he has a great, a great view of what's going on, which might be different than mine. It might be the same as mine, might be different than yours, Chaid, but we'll see when he comes on. So that's going to be exciting. I almost think that this is more of a compelling story than Vince leaving WWE. I have stuff, guess what's going

on this past week. I think it's almost more of a compelling development for the wrestling world than Vince McMahon leaving his company. You know what, I think it's up there. I think it's up there because think of this, what if things continue to crumble for ae W and Tony Kahn's dad. It's just like no more. I'm done. All right, let's see what is he there? You hear us? Hey? What's happening? Oh? I can't see the quaff. I'm very upset. It's magnificent. It is more magnificent. We'll call it today,

we'll call it a crest. A crest. Yeah, very good. Well, I'm sure you look handsome as ever even though we can't see you. Thank you for right now I am. Do you have your hands under the angelical pose that you do for me all the time it's been it's been a hot minute since I talked to you. I spoke to you this morning a little bit through text. But how are we today? Are we running errands? Or are we on the road? Yeah? This whole labor day stuff. Every time it's a holiday like this, it throws my

entire schedule off. I woke up this morning thinking it was Thursday morning that I was due to be on the road. So I'm running around pack of my bag, and then I looked out at my phone and I see Wednesday, and yeah, because when you had said to me, oh, moose has me doing something? I'm like on a Wednesday, this is weird. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Will Shane let me tell you there's a lot going on in the wrestling world.

And then you know, I don't and I don't know if you have an opinion on it, but I wanted to see if you did. So Chad said, you didn't even hear anything until he texted you. How can that be? Yeah, I live under a rock. When I'm home, you know, I'm either reading or you know, doing paperwork or whatever. And I closed my door and shut that twilight zone out. Yeah, yeah, that was it. Day before last, Chad, when you sent me a link and I was close, he said, you know,

got to talk to everything that's going on. And when I clicked on it, you know it's again, this twilight is overliving and like everything you look at when you first look at it, like that something that crazy, you assume that it's a worker, it's it's it's eight up because it's so outlandish. But once I started reading the different links and working my way through that, yeah, like you know, you said it a second ago. Freddy a hot mess. Right, This is a like from where I

come from in the business. You know, no place for that. You know, it's ah. But you know, somebody else that I was talking to said, you know, this is what happens when you let the inmates run the asylum. And I guess from what I've been hearing again like full disclosure, I don't follow it that closely, but hearing from friends of mine inside the company saying, hey, the kids won't listen. Well, I don't remember that being an option when the rob

was a kid in the business. And now you have this situation where it's bleeding out, you know, locker room stuff bleeding out into the company. You know, look, full disclosure to any company, right, any company has this kind of water cooler garbage going on. Most companies keep it under wraps and keep it in the back rooms. You know, when it starts to bleed out like that, it's a

really really bad look for the company. I agree. And the one thing that I have said, and I even said this from the last time they had a press conference. If you compare Tony Kahn to Vince McMahon or even to Hunter right with the way they handle their business, it is like ae W looks so bushly to me. They are cursing, they are It just looks so unprofessional for running such a huge organization. Say what you will about Vince McMahon, he has never dropped a n F

bomb in a press conference that I've heard. You know, it's one way to talk like that behind the scenes, if you're in the locker room, because we all know you guys talk like truck driver, it's exactly we get it. But when you're in front of people and you're promoting your company, that it just looks so bid. I'm watching Tony Kahan dropping F palm after f and his crazy eyes are all over the place, sweating, and I'm just like, what is going on with this man. I know he's passionate,

which is wonderful. Sure, I love that about him, but there's there's just there's a way to handle things. Yeah, and after three years, you don't know that this is not the right way to go about things. Yeah, yeah, I completely agree. Look, it's uh, the world is well aware of the wrestling world is well aware of my personal feelings about Vince McMahon. But Vince is a professional, right,

I mean, that's how he built that empire. Uh. You can disagree like I do, with a lot of his decisions, but you're never gonna hear him, you know, drop an F bomb on USA. I'm going to wonder, like where, first of all, where T and T sits on this, because you know they they you know, this is going in this press conference for the company that you air on your on your network. You know, I'm guessing there's probably a little bit of cha grint on their side

with that. But uh, you're right. I mean, when you know, Tony seems I've never met the guy, but it seems incredibly passionate about it. Uh. And that's great, That's a huge necessity if you're gonna be running a promotion. Uh. But when you're going on there and it seemingly to me, correct me if I'm wrong again, to those links that I looked at, it looked as though he were choosing

sides publicly. And you know how many times Franny and Paul like have a team meeting after the show, uh for exactly this thing like personal stuff was bleeding out into the camera lens. And you know it didn't happen often, but there were times, and we dealt with that in the dressing room. Uh it's it's again completely unprofessional. Look, and you know, I keep seeing these things where can

people just throw me loot links? Where Tony's comparing himself to you know, the Bischoff and Vince and Paul Hayman, and look, each of them had their quirks, right, but I don't recall much of that. Gum Paul a little bit different beasts because ECW was a different beast. But uh, yeah, it's you know, in anything, you don't air your dirty laundry in public, and that's the kind of stuff it. It sounds like must have been festering for quite a while. But yeah, just like each link that came sort of

made it worse. You know, like this thing was evolving into you know, like insanity and now I won't add something you like, you know, several months ago, seven, eight, nine, ten months ago, I started seeing noticing, like at conventions and signings and things, fans coming up and saying, you know, they'd be a fan of AW, but they're out. And you know what, I would inquire as to why it

would be a lot of this kind of stuff. You know, there's there's you know, multiple answers, but it's that you know, all the stuff we as boys in the business talk about, you know, the spot monkey stuff, no storylines, the KFA being that, that kind of stuff. But you know, I would imagine all of those people now what you've just done is you validated all of them. So like the ones that are tuned out over that last seven, eight, nine, ten months, I'm guessing they're gonna say, well, I'm not

because of stuff like this. It's there's no place for it. You know, there's our business being a work. It's the fantasy of the work that brings the fans in, right. They want to forget about their job, their life, their twilight zone whatever. And now you're bringing your twilight zone to them and giving it to you know, nicely wrapped package. It just looks really po dunk, really blow apart. So an opinion that I kind of have, just being on the outside looking in. I see it like the are

going into business for themselves for a live television right. Yes, Now, if you're Tony Kahin, are you such a mark? Which are all marks for the business. It's not an insult, right, but you want to be one of the boys so bad that you're going to let people get away with this and it's going to end up hurting your company. Yes, Like from a business standpoint, that just blows my mind because you're going to give up something that you worked so hard for to be accepted by the boys. Yep,

I just don't. I don't get it. Well, I agree again, it's into that professionalism like sometimes the guy running the business or the person running the business, like for instance, Dixie Carter. We've often talked about this right where Dixie would say no, I'm not on air talent on management and through that separation because there are times when those

characters have to be separated. Mister McMahon the character is very different than Vince McMahon in the back is the Professon, although there are similarities to Sam guy playing the characters, right, But you know, Vincent Man, the boss of the company, does things very differently than Vince McMahon the character Mister

McMahon the character would do on screen. But you know, you're first of all choosing sides when ultimately, if you're the boss, you have to be the referee in that kind of stuff and not in the way of refereeing saying I say do this or that. It's got to be Okay, let's listen to your side, your side in a room, not with all the boys and talent and crew and fans looking in. We do this behind closed doors.

But you know, you're saying about like the passion and you know the time that they've put in, what about the money, I mean millions and millions of dollars and you know, you're you know, you're airing this dirty laundry out in public and it's just a really, really bad look. And the fact that so many people are talking about this, uh, tells me that a lot of people have eyes on

aw right now for all the wrong reasons. Yeah, agreed, especially when you know you have something like Vince McMahon retiring, Hunter takes over and are over the two million mark now for the first time in years. Yeah, and I do think that AEW's numbers are going to start to plumb it because of this. Well they've you know, again from my outside looking in. You know, I saw a few weeks ago they were down to the threes, were they? Yeah, they and they've been as high as one one point

one million. But you know, since the beginning it is October what two and a half years ago, we've watched this, you know, jump up a little bit, fall back, jump up a little bit, fall back. This is not the you know, with that being the paradigm that they've said. Uh, and now this happening. I don't want to get you know, too far out in front of my skis, but you have to start asking yourself. Have they become all they're

going to be? Or can they grow that company? Can they at some point stand on on two feet and challenge you know Vans? I think right now that's a pipe dream. Uh. They certainly have the wherewithal to do it. There's talent, they've got the money, uh, the outlet with TNT, but they you know, somebody's gotta be the boss there and start to move everybody's energies in the same direction.

Instead of punk being over here and that you know, this guy being over there and a still being here someplace, it seems like they're all over all the checkerboard, right, and no one consistent message. Shane, Who do you think is kind of at fault in the whole entire argument? Is it one side is yelling louder than the other so they should be heard, or is it everybody's kind of sharing equal blame, because you shouldn't a throw your colleagues under the bus publicly like that, but also you

should not get violent and go after them backstage. Oh absolutely, I mean there's no place for that in any business, right. Uh, but you know I would think that, you know, finger pointing is one thing. I mean, I think you're hitting the nail on the head here. You have a lot of people going a lot of different directions, like just commenting, not putting this one first, second or third. I watched a you know, punk in a press conference ostensibly for

the company, and you know, swerves off and says this stuff. Now, look to me, that would be a place where you say, I'm not in the mood and I'm not going to do this here, but I'll be back at the hotel in half an hour. Anybody wants to talk to me there, I'll be ready. It's private, you're you're you're now doing it on your time. The stuff going in the dressing room absolutely has no place in our business. I used

to you know back in the day. Uh, everybody hasn't paid attention that we're living in a vastly different world

today than than back then. And you know, I think there's a lot of blame to go around, but ultimately, ultimately this falls on the head of the guy at the top of the ladder, right, which will be Tony's on which during the fracae, he's still in the media scrum, never got out of his seat, And during the Jericho portion of this, sco I felt it was embarrassing that he was literally kissing the ass of Chris Jericho and talking about stories of going to the ECW Arena to

see Jericho's debut and remembering the tights that he wore and he wanted to replicate that at the pay per view. All the while his company is in turmoil behind the closed door, with security guards running past the media quote unquote media, and he's sitting there, you know, a sense extensively sucking the you know what of Chris Jericho in front of the cameras well. I mean, the being an historian, the equivalent would be narrow fiddling while Rome burns. Right.

I mean, there's something on this list was a little more important than the other things. And you know, again, first of all, they're not too far gone, right, I mean, they still have a lot of eyes on them, some of a network, but I would hope that right now, as we're doing this interview, that Tony Kahan, his management team, whoever that may be, or sitting down and trying to assess, like where do we go wrong? How do we fix this's?

How do we stop it going ahead? I mean, we've heard this for how long from friends of ours inside the business, inside the company, right that the inmates are running the asylum. Nobody will listen well when that goes on and is allowed to persist in any business, but especially wrestling, or a lot of ego and a lot of uh you know, uh, piston vinegar. You know they're in that dressing room. A lot of egos, uh, you know, left unchecked, that'll rear its head at some point. It

looks like you started to in AW. I kind of feel like now this is showing my age being in you know, in it for the moost thirty years. I feel like the dynamic I know right, I feel like the dynamics of the business have changed drastically. I feel like there was a lot more and it's not for every single person performing today. There's there's there's certain people. I feel like the level of respect for for not only wrestling, in general before each other has plummeted, and everybody,

you know, they're in it for themselves. And I just remember, like if I ever had a problem with somebody back in the day, I would keep it to myself, and even if I had to work with them, I would go like nothing ever happened, because it's good for business. It's good for the company, it's good for my pocket, it's good for your pocket, right well, and the other

stuff is bad for all those things. Right, So like if you know, if you're out in the ring and you and your opponent, everybody knows there's real heat there that can be utilized in a way, you know, to draw money. But ultimately you've got to know I can send these two talents to the ring and that I'm going to break out into a shoot. Yeah. First of all, shoots are boring. You know, if anybody's watched a you know, a bar fight, you know, hardly as eloquent as a

good wrestling match. But yeah, but you know, the respect thing you're talking about. I don't know if that's just Johnny come lately in our business, but I like in it. You know, again in my old age, right that that everybody is a narcissist today because everybody feels compelled that

what I have to say is so important. I got to stop right now and get on the internet and tell the world what I'm having for lunch, chorret that I'm taking my dog for a walk, or that I'm scratching my ass, And so that puts me into business for myself. Right, you guys are worried about your stuff, but I gotta get online and tell the world what Shane Douglass is doing at this very moment. And I

think that's now bleeding over right. You have everybody in that dressing room thinks they're the most important call or only their point of view matters. And you know, unfortunately, you know, those of us that are grown up, you know know that that's not how the world operates. Most times. You've got to co exist with people that you may not like, especially in the workplace. And you know this is a workplace, you know, so you know, again, I

go back. I don't want to be savage on it or anything, but like it's time for Tony kN to stand up and if he wants to be the next Vince McMahon or Eric Bischoff or Paul Hammett or whoever to stand up and take control of that company. If you remember Freddie we had there were some of this with Paul too, that would allow this stuff to sort of fester on. And it was like the boys in the dressingroom sort of took that under their own wing and sort of resolved it. But you know, you cannot

have the inmates running the asylum. You cannot have somebody thinking they're more important than somebody else, or their point of view is more important than somebody else. And again that starts at the top. Well, speaking of the top, we're going to go from one subject to another because we haven't talked to you since this happened. What are your thoughts on Vince McMahon stepping down as chairman and CEO of w W E. Yeah, us right, I mean a tectonic shift in our industry. You know, my entirety

in the business. Vince McMahon has been a major CagA that you know, and those of us that know him and have worked for him knows that there was no way that you know, he would just say Okay, it's time to retire and go off to the beach and have a my tie or Margarita. The way that it happened, the ignominious way that it happened, I think is, you know, puts a really bad mark on what he had done in the industry. You know, he had taken it to the the heights that none of us could have ever imagined.

But you know, if you remember, we first talked about this privately, you know, like just sitting around bs and and you know we said that, you know, if there was one of these payments, there's going to be more. And you know the fact that they I think they've done an amazing job at keeping it from spiraling out of control because you know, those of us again that have worked there know that there was a lot of stuff going, but that they sort of narrowed that down.

I think that Vince's resignation is what allowed that to happen. If he hadn't retired, that he hadn't moved on, I think a lot more magnifying glasses would have been put on there. I'm just curious as to how retired quotation marks around it he really is. But you know the fact that you can see new blood in there stirring it up. And you mentioned it a minute ago, Franny

about the ratings increase. That tells me that the fan base is still solid, but it's also alarming that the fan base has chosen by and large to stay away from the industry for how long. You know, got to get it back to what it's supposed to be. And if you do that, if you build it, they'll come. And I think WW is proving that right now. It's but's I'm not gonna give final judgment yet, but so far, so good. Let's see if they keep moving in the

right direction. Will you miss him? Shane? You know my you know renowned my my experiences with events right now, but we're two different people, not going to ever get along, probably never going to agree on approach to the business. That said, he's you know, achieved amazing heights of what he's done, and you can't. Ultimately the bottom line, the final analysis, you have to judge based off the body

of work. And you know, he's again taken wrestling from the smoke filled arenas to mainstream and you know, back thirty forty years ago that would have been unheard of. You couldn't even imagine as I was a kid in the Pittsburgh Siffic Arena watching Berno and Dominic and all of those guys. You couldn't imagine that kind of a future for wrestling, and you know he's responsible for that.

But he's also responsible for like where we've seen the industry, you know, and it collapses with you know, all the territories and how many people employed and how many fans have left. There's always the yin and yang, right, you can't give the glory without giving the final epitaph. And he's a responsib for that too. So I think any fair analysis of Vince's history in the business will be a compendium incredible ship and some bad shit as well. So just wait and see it. To me, there's always

another chapter with Vince. Sung's waiting to see what that is. Do you feel like, like Chrispin Waffer example, a totally different, you know, different thing, but he was erased from the company. If this was anybody other than Vince McMahon, is this severe enough to be exiled and never spoke of again? The way he manipulated these women? Or is this is this a pass because you know, I know it's Vince, But if it was somebody else, do you think they

would have been forgotten about? Oh? They would have been pushed out the door. You know again, Ila Chris right, it's uh, and I'm not comparing it to murder, you know, murdering or anything like that, but I'm just saying this is this is a heavy accusation, very serious and and uh you know again how that plays out. You know again we're look, I think we're witnessing in the world right now, there's you know, very enunciated two tiered system, right like somebody at the top of the heap can

do something, somebody down that ladder probably can't. Uh. But you know, to me, I this stuff that these accusations and allegations very seriously. You know, if somebody in a position of power like Harvey Weinstein uses that to do something illegal against a woman or anybody, you know, I think that should be called out. Uh, you know, but the hush money, it's again how they've sort of that's pushed out the window rightly, and now Evince retired like

nobody's talking about it. And and I hope for the women that were that they get the justice that they're due. But you know, again, full disclosure, I am one million percent against the cancelations stuff. Uh, you know, getting canceled because you've you know, stepped on somebody's toes and angered somebody. Uh. I've made a lot of mistakes in my life. I'll make a lot more other people have, uh, you know. But I think again, it's the yin and yang you've got.

If you're gonna sit there and talk about this and say, I don't believe in canceling somebody, but somebody that does this kind of stuff must be held accountable to it. And what is accountability? Is it leaving your own company a mid seventies and a bank full of money, or is there some other come up inst to that. You know, it's I think everybody should be treated equally and get treated the exact same when they do something that that

heinous I agree on. Just going back to the earlier topic, I just wanted to ask both of you guys this and kind of an open ended question. Did either of you ever see anything even remotely close to this unfolding in front of the public like a fractice in the locker room. I know it was a different time. It's hard to maybe get some information out, but have you, guys, either of you seen anything similar to this in your time in the business. Franny, I've seen fights in the

locker room, but they were resolved in the locker room. Yes, you know. I again I said, if I had a problem with somebody and I went to the ring, I never showed that I had a problem with somebody. Things were discussed behind closed doors. I think we were all under the same mindset that it's not good for business. Like Shane said, you don't air your dirty laundry, you

know what I mean. So there have been times where and Shane knows, I've jumped in the middle of things, tried to, you know, use my womanly charm to get people stop fighting, and it didn't work, and stuff like that. But when you're again, when you're on the road with somebody four or five days a week, you become like you know, brothers and sisters, that it's a family. People fight, people don't get along, egos get involved. But it never escalated to the point where we couldn't control it. Yeah,

and again, rarely aired it in public, right. I mean, I didn't have the internet, Shane, so it wasn't It wasn't like, you know, there's a mole in the locker room and somebody leaks it. Maybe it was in one of the dirt sheets, which it wasn't as powerful as like a Twitter or an ig today, So it was it was a different era. It was a different time. Maybe we got away with a little bit more than today because we didn't have all the resources to put

it out there. Yeah, for sure. And again that you know we're you know, human beings are creatures of habit, right, So I'm used to if I'm one of the younger kids that every day I get up and I get online and I tell the world what's important to Shane Douglas at that moment, and now we go into the dressing room and something like that. I got to go back now and tell my fans what happened, right, because they heard a rumor, So I gotta get on there and tell them Shane Douglas aside. And what do human

beings always do? They try to get people in camps, right, So are you are you one of my allies or you somebody else's ally. And you know that it's a it's just a perfect cocktail for crap, right. You know that this is going on now and there really only one way to fix it. From where I said, like, whoever the boss is has to say enough of this. You know, we're moving on, and if you don't want to move on with us, no hard feelings, well give you your release and move on. But things like that

have to be dealt with. And I'm popming in my head as I'm saying that. You know how many times in ECW history did somebody in the audience do something to one of the family and suddenly there was a near riot going on exactly, you know, protecting each other. Now you know we The funny part is is like when you hear those stories, a lot of those guys that were involved in the stories that you know, got

attacked or whatever. I'm sure they probably had people in the dressing room that they didn't get along with, but nobody stopped dressing the door and said, oh wait, it's that person. I'm not on his side, so i'most I'll stay back here. Uh. Resolved differently, And you know, it's did we do it perfectly? Absolutely not. I'm not insinuating that, but you know, a lot of wisdom and not airing your dirty laundrey. And it just to me seems so soap operas and so unprofessional that for a company that's

portending to be like the next big number two. Uh, you know, we're gonna be in this arena. We're gonna sooner or later challenge Vince. You know I think that you know, again I said earlier, we're seeing now that it looks pretty much like they've become what they're gonna be. You know, they can do they want to stay in that and you know, and that that permanent number two spot distant number two? Or do they want to with all that money they're spending and all that talent they

have there? Do they want to grow that company and you know, get it back to a point where there's a viable number two and uh, they'll never do it with this kind of stuff going on. Well, words of wisdom from the franchise. Absolutely, that's what we needed on this Wednesday morning. So Shane, have you ever beat anybody in a fight? Have you ever got to fight somebody? Yeah?

You know, I was going to bring that up, but whenever I saw that being reported out there, you know, biting and pulling hair, I'm thinking, boy, thank god Bill Watson is still in charge right because somebody had been fired over that. It's uh yeah, it's strange. It's uh but again, like it's just I'm trying to in my head as we're talking about this, imagine being in that dressing room where this kind of stuff starts spiraling out

of control. And you know, we've all been in those dressing rooms, right where stuff goes a miss and gets off track. But it always seemed to me there was somebody, whether it was an elder statesman in the in the dressing room or the boss of the company, which steps forward and you know, make it pretty evident and clear what what they expected, what their expectations were, you know,

by seemingly taking sides in this. You know, it's just I've never seen that, you know, So it's again uncharted territory, uncharted waters, right, it's uh, but very consistent with what we've seen, not necessarily you know, act for act, but consistent with what we've seen out of this company since the beginning, where it looks like they're starting to get a little bit of momentum and then something like this happens, or a exploding ring match that looks like a sparkler

or whatever, and it just, you know, it just takes it right off that highway into the off ramp again. Yeah, all I can say is I hope they get their ship together because I have some friends that work there and I would hate for them to be out of a job. So I hope they pull through. But I appreciate you coming on. This was the last minute thing. Yeah, and I also you know, I'll talk to you soon. But you and I have an appearance coming up in October. Ye that we're going to be doing. Uh where is

it Fort Wayne, Indiana? Yes? Yes, there is? Is that? What is that called? I always here? Is that heroes and legend? Is that here is a legend? Yes, So we'll be uh, we'll be appearing together and I'll have all the info on Twitter. I think that's the next time I see you. So uh, until then, I bid you adieu, but I will be I will be speaking to you, I'm sure sometime this weekend. So yeah, for sure, absolutely did talking to you guys, but it reached out and uh, let's keep eyes on and see what happens

in our industry. Yes, absolutely, thank you so much, buddy, I'll talk to you so. Appreciate care. Bye bye. It's always good to get his two cents because he's very wise, absolutely business and I love hearing what he has to say, and if I didn't cut him off, we would have been here for another three hours. So I would have said on the edge of my seat for every one of those minutes exactly. But we don't have three hours to kill, so we had to say goodbye. But he's great. Now.

Let me let me ask you this though, so you and I can kind of rap about it back and forth. And again, I'm not asking anybody to pick a side. I'm not saying who's right or wrong. But if you had to kind of say one party versus the other party, it may look the most at fault. Do you see anybody that does or do you think, like we had just said with Jane, like that is just everybody's kind of in the wrong, and you know, it's just a

shitty situation. I feel like I don't understand why the personal stuff with cold Cabana is being brought into because he's not even in a storyline with Cole, Like they're not even working together. So why are we talking about him having a joint account bank account with this month.

That's because of the dirt sheet, guys, But but I mean, what does it have to do with why are we discussing this that because in all the media leading up to this pay per view, people were talking about how now that Punk is back, Cabana is exiled and the people who Punk says were leaking that narrative to the wrestling press were the executive vice presidents. So okay, So see,

I didn't know that part about it all. I see all I was saying with her there was a backstage altercation with the Bucks and and Uh and Punk, but I didn't know the tie in with Cold. So I know that the history with Cold, and I you know, I met Cold. He's very sweet. I've been in locker rooms with Punk several times. He's been very sweet as well. I don't have a bad word to say about either of them. I just don't like the I paid your bills,

you share a bank account with your mom? Like what those are like low digs to me, Like it shouldn't have been said. I feel I don't know, and I don't know they were Punk. What's that? That's what you get with Punk, I suppose. So, I mean, I never had a problem with him at all, but I you know, you you hear sir and things. I just don't like the dirty laundry being aired. I don't like that that has.

When you do a press conference, shouldn't it be like a work and shouldn't you just focus on the storylines that are going on and not deal with all the real bullshit. I mean, that's like we said earlier. You know in this broadcast, you deal with that privately. You don't put it out there. You don't let people in on backstage. There's no cave abe, it's dead. It's been dead for years. I just don't see why things are

not kept private when they should be. And there is a mole in that company that is leaking everything to these dirt sheet writers, which I hope they find him and I hope they kick him out on his ass, because what are you getting from this? Are you getting extra income? Is he getting paid by you know, the observer or the whoever else is out there doing these dirt sheets? Yeah? What do you get from it? Against your own company when you do shit like this? But

it's always guys for everybody. But I think that the dirt sheet guys are just as much to blame as the people leaking it, because these are people that are that are professing themselves to be journalists, right, they've now they want the clicks they want. They went from just Meltzer and Wade Keller having a newsletter and then a website and a little radio show to these guys like they try to pass themselves off as journalists works right, yeah,

oh my god, forget about it. Yeah. You They try to make themselves like they are in the White House press room when they're attending these media scrums, and and and there was a question that was asked to Punk during the scrum where a guy said he was legitimately nervous to ask the question to Punk. Okay, these are people that are not prepared to handle any kind of sensitive information because they can't let go of the fact they want to be over with a certain group of

people in the business. They can't separate professionalism versus not professionalism. So when somebody's feeding them information, they're gonna post it to get their clicks and to get their likes and to get their attention to be the first person who had the story. But they can't then handle the fact that this is what they caused this meltdown by Cmpunk

in the middle of this press conference. I have to say, I am gonna take a side, and I am on the side of cmpunk with all this, because this is a guy who they beg to come back for eight years. Every wrestling personality wanted him back for eight years. He's back. This is what you get. Triple H said this about Dmpunk eight years ago. Punk wants what Punk wants, and that's what he has to see. I'm on the side of cmpunk. Those guys burst into his locker room, and

you know they're supposed to be executives. They were unprofessional. He just voiced his opinion because he was asked a question. Was Col Cobana fired? No? Okay? Were they pushing him before Punk even came No? So then why bring up that ship? Now? I have no idea. I don't I don't know. He was in an undercard faction. Sorry, okay, all right? And when Punk came back, did they never use Cold again? Because I don't watch the program. Did

they never use him? Did Punk say, if you use Cold Cabana, then you know I'm gonna walk out now? So after Brodie Lee died, the group dropped in status significantly. They went from being like heels to like kind of like a comedy group, and they have all but fizzled out. I think there's a couple of guys that they have left, but they moved Colt to Ring of Honor, which makes sense because Cold Cabana has a history in Ring of Mind.

So but my point is, it wasn't like Punk was suppressing col Cabana that we know of, So then why say all this ship and that's what he wigged out about. That was his That's what I don't And I'm not blaming him, and I'm not blaming the box and I'm not I'm blaming the stupid sheet writers and the guy or Pete or group who is leaking this information. Apparently

they're you know, working for ae W whoever. This mole is okay, and they're leaking info which is hurting their own company, which means that eventually this person might be out of the job. So what is getting out of leaking information? You're you're doing more harm. There's no good, it's all harm. And I just I don't understand the mole. I don't get it. Every company had one, Yeah, every company had a mole. You know Todd Gordon with the voicemails.

I'm not going to talk about ours. That's a whole number of mole, I mean, and that was I'll tell you how it used to go. Back in the day. As a fan, you would call an eight hundred wrestling hotline for those of us that couldn't afford the nine hundred ones. No, there were eight hundred ones out there and the guys are and you would call it and they would say, there is a supposed mole inside of ECW that's feeding information to WCW about contracts and this

and that. And you're sitting there going like, oh my god, Wow, holy shit. You did not have to then press one to hear who burst into whose locker room to kick their ass and you know, stop them from going to the other organization and this person that It just it's I I feel that the dirt sheet writers are going to help collapse this company. But yes, go ahead. I was just going to say the only now when it struck something when you mentioned that about the ECW one

there was a deal on the table with WCW. Does the ae W mole have a deal on the table with WWE to destroy the company? That's the only scenario that would make sense. I don't think WWE cares that much because Triple A's just basically called them the minor league. He conceded defeat, but he conceded defeat of the NXT and said that they beat our developmental show, and they barely beat them with whatever. The numbers are very class

of them. But I'm just saying, if you're thinking logically, that is the only scenario that would make any sense is that this person is being swayed to destroy AW and move on to WWE where he can make maybe more money. I don't know, you don't. I'm gonna also say this theory too. If somebody's leaking and there's a mole, there's something inside the company that went awry for them. And to me, as an outsider, who does I look

at the jobs they have available. Because I've worked in a wrestling company before, I have a very talented television background. I could provide something to a company like AW. You look at how the structure has kind of collapsed, and you see the boss. I'm sorry, I think the guy has done a great job with what he's built. He is embarrassing to watch, not respectfully kind of work for this guy and not have a lack of like confidence that he's going to keep things going, because when I've

always thought he's a little weird. When I was watching this Chris Jericho press scrum and he's wide eyed looking at Jericho and talking about going to the ECW Arena with his dad, and he's and but the company is in turmoil in the next room, and he's talking about Jericho's ring attire and how he wanted Jericho to wear the same tights and look at large air of everything out there. You know what I mean. Alice doesn't good, and I'll tell you what to Here's another little weird,

little wrinkle. So we didn't even get into it. Shane A. Steele's wife was in the room with Cmpunk's dog, right and when the bucks burst in there. The way the story is kind of going is that the wife freaked out. That's why a Steele came running, a steel threw the chair, the fractice ensued. But also now this head of legal that AW has was apparently involved in the situation, and Tony Conta said she's the number two in AW but she was apparently just hanging around while all this is

going on. So this is not just a fight. This is not just a public like blow up. This is a complete turmoiled, yeah, disarrayed company unfolding in front of our very eyes. I said, this is WCW two point zero for years. Okay, I think they've made w CW look like it was running very well up until the last minutes. I mean, the way they spend their money reminds me WCW for sure, just grabbing everybody they can and giving people jobs. But it's just it's a bad look.

I feel bad for my friends who are there because you know, I don't want them losing their job. I don't want anybody losing a job. Competition's good. I've said it a million times. It's nice to have a product that is not WWE on a bigger scale. And I really was rooting for AW two, you know, not surpiss WWE, but just to give a good alternative. And if it continues to do this, I don't see them lasting much longer, which is a very sad thing. So get your shit together,

aw That's all I can do. And the last common I'll make too, is that in the midst of the company in turmoil, behind the closed door, where the media scroll is going on, with these dork journalists asking questions like they're in the White House press room, like just coming off like such losers, right, Tony Kahn goes out this rant about defeating WWE and that he's he's he doesn't give a fuck anymore and he's tired of this fucking shit and he's cursing, and he's this, and he's

that talking about how, oh because WWE ran on Labor Day for the first time, and oh, who's how do they get that idea? And they took that from us? And I'm tired of this fucking shit. And it was like, oh my god, Like, this is what you're talking about to these dork loser fans that are interviewing you in public form while your company is in turmoil. But yeah, it's it's uh, it's not the end to this story.

I'm sure more will unfold that we can talk about at a different time, but this hour just flew by, blew by, It really did. Why don't you tell us what's on Patreon? Oh, we got some fun stuff ahead of us. As previewed last week. We are going to uh take a look at and I'll have to censor when it airs, but we're going to look at making stand Man right in all his glory. Literally, Yes, I'm going to text him and let let him know that we're doing some really good journalism this week and we're

gonna discuss that match. He's gonna get. Yeah, I don't even remember what the hell happened? What a cluster? Just watching it, I never I never saw it in that form. Sough. Yeah, that we're going to do that. Uh. You have been talking about your Disney trip and the planning stages that you were in, so we are going to look at things that you shouldn't do. We're gonna look at Disney stamps for the people that don't know what they're doing

when they plan there's Disney vacation. And I'm going to throw in a couple of stories that I've heard this week about what was going on at some of the parks, if I may just to add a little spice to this, because yeah, there there were a couple things that were not very Disney, so we'll discuss that as well. Yeah, and then we are going to uh, we're going to take your uh since we talked about ECW a few times here, We're going to put your ECW knowledge to

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