Sam Adonis

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take care. Look at that he's multitasking recording a podcast on Twitch. And I also want to point out that she sounds phenomenal with her brand new microphone I have. Oh my god, look at this, as Mr Glory, Yes I did, uh, I did think that as you were saying that you were as Mr Dreams, are getting ever so closer with your intimate microphone that you have there.

I love it. Yeah, I got it for Christmas. Hubs hooked me up with some really nice equipment and it's starting to look like an actual I don't know what you would call it work area studio, you know what could you say? Uh? I would say office perhaps. I mean there's a many, many a name out there for what you've got going on. I have a lot going on and I still don't know how to use everything. But today for our watch along, I actually put YouTube on the second monitor like last time I had it.

Like what am I doing? I have two monitors. I could totally do it like this. See how much you've evolved over a year and a half. I mean, now we're on the same page. We're doing the same thing. That's exactly what I got going on. So yeah, you and I can't be any more on the same page. I can do all kinds of certain things now, and I'm very professional, I must say. So it's exciting and well,

you're welcome for bringing you into this way. Yeah, thanks all as always by bringing bringing the podcasting world this glorious content. Yes, So, how's your week been, kid, It's been pretty busy. You know. The stuff going on in the news is my business outside of the podcast world, So it's been off the freaking chain. And you know that's to include the big events of what would be

this week as we're recording on Wednesday. It's just it's it's unbelievable what's going on out there, and I get to be a small part of it, and it is nuts, and I think it's only going to get better in the dates to come. There's a lot of information being leaked so interesting. All I say is I just want my money. That's all I want. You want your money. I just want to get paid. Stimulus check pay check, whatever check you got, you're stimulus, just get I want more.

I just want more. I want more. Well, that's all I care about. We all want more, right, just give me that a bad thing, that's a good thing. Give me more. Well, you know you have to work hard for UH for the benefits, to reap the benefits. Oddly enough, I almost grab my hardly working UH coffee cup I have. My wife has working hard. I have hardly working which is like the complete opposite of my life. But it's

just ironic. Life works hard. Are you kidding me? Well, then you both should we have a work you both should have a working hard mug. Then that's true. How are you. We barely this week. Now, this week has been so busy for me. I had so many cameos I offered. I offered the police outfit and people were like jumping on it, which was great, and some of them trickled over to today. So now I have a bunch to do later on today when I'm done everything in my life. But yeah, I just had a really

really busy day. I had a lot to do. Twitch is becoming a part of my life. I do that three times a week, so I'm live on three different days and one day is the cameos. Today is busy. I have you, I have Twitch, I have cameo all in one day. There's a doctor appointment in the middle of there somewhere, and yeah, I'm lucky though, don't get

me wrong, I'm exhausted, but I'm happy about it. So come a long way from just sarah little Friday morning, this little session, you know, and oh yeah, I got to go on the road this weekend, and blah blah blah. That's cameos and this version on the road. I know, well, next week I will be on the road. So I'll announce it now because it'll be on Shane and I a later in this week. Yes, Shane and I are

doing a virtual signing on January twenty second. Unfortunately, I have no information on it because the flyer that was sent to me is very vague, and one of the fans told me when he went to the page that was listed, it wasn't working. So I'm hoping to get an update on that for you guys. Probably before next Friday would be nice. But it's from I know. It's from seven to nine thirty Friday, January twenty second, so the franchise will be in town. It is right there.

That's it. Yeah, but it doesn't say much on it. This is twenty second at seven pm, which we know is a Friday, So you spend your Friday night with the duo of the franchise and the head cheerleader, Francine. He actually just called me, so I could have asked him if he had any more info. He doesn't. If I talked to him too, he doesn't. Now it's okay, we'll figure it out, but that'll be fun. So I'm

actually cooking. He requested my world famous gravy and meat balls, so I am making a feast and we're eating probably at four point thirty because it's the Early Bird Special that day, and then we have to head out to do the signing. So it's great. That's cool. I love that you guys are doing that. I love the duo. That's smart booking right there. Yes, we're good together. Actually, i'll show you. I was gonna, you know, show you

this later. But you know, I've talked to you. I have a thing I want to work on in the coming weeks. I have this bad boy that I just got made right here. What do you think of that? Whooh, sexy, fancy schmancy. Huh, I'm just gonnare. Then we'll talk more about it later. Oh, maybe I have another booking my future Austin I got Oh my gosh, look I even have it in a bigger size too. Oh that is that is beautiful? Yes, yes, indeed, you can't see what we're talking about. You need to come over and join.

Oh I'm not going to say what it is, just in case you've got to be on the video for that shit. Yeah that's nice. That's that's nice work. Yes, but uh yeah, you know, just it's been it's been something that's for sure. I know we'll get into it later. I'm sure, but there has been a shitload of good Disney shit that's come out this week. We'll talk about it later if you want, No, we have, we have

a wow. I was shocked. First of all, my heart is broken Disney Disney World is discontinuing the Magical Express. I am beyond myself. But it was like a day of mourning in my house because the Magical Express, Okay, it's it's going to continue through this year, but then in twenty twenty two they're doing something else, which was very vague. I don't know. They're supposed to have some kind of shuttle taking from the airport or something like that. I don't know what it is, but let me just say.

We called it the Magical Express going and then the Tragical Express coming home, because no one wants to get on that bus coming home because it's sad. It makes very good sense. It's a nice play on words. Yes, that's what my house deems at the Tragical Express. But it was a huge part of our trip because once you're on that bus, it meant it's starting, you know what I mean. And my kids were so excited. We

were so excited. Me and my husband getting on that bus and just sitting there and knowing within like fifty minutes we were going to pull up to our resort and it was all going to start. And that is a huge part. It's like an attraction for us anyway. We love the Magical Express and I am so heartbroken and I don't understand why they are getting rid of it because it was so convenient and it's just it was part of the trip. So I'm very upset. Disney,

that's very sad. I saw your reaction. I actually read it, and then I saw your reaction afterwards, and man, it's just it's very tough. As we talked about, with all the closures and the amount of times they've they've had to limit people. Now to just start taking shit away is you know, it's it kind of stinks, But it could be worse. You could be at Disneyland, which is never opening never again presumably. Well, Disneyland canceled all annual

passes and they are in disarray of in California. I mean, I feel so bad for them as well. I don't know what's going on over there. I mean, it's crazy. We are still looking to play in a trip for this year. But I don't know what months. I don't know when. Then we got the news that there's no Magical Express. We were like, oh my goodness, we have Rentneuver. Things are nuts nuts. My beloved Disney is just falling apart.

It's weird too, because you know, I mean on the film end, you know, they're releasing stuff left and right. They've got a lot of great things going on. But at the parks, which okay, yes, Disney World is operated at a portion capacity, and obviously Disneyland presumably never opening again, and the euro Disney's stop it. The euro Disney's shangha. I mean, they're still, they're rocking and rolling. You know, I've watched some of their clips. It's just very odd

that they can't all sync up. And I don't know, it's just it's strange. But I guess that's what goes with you know, the new covid Land. It's like, that's what they should rename it, Covidland. Well, it depends on the state, depends on the governor, you know that. I know, Flora is starting to with the rides. At least they're starting to put up a lot more plexa glass so

that more people can get on rides now. Right now, your fast passes aren't in play, so everybody is waiting, which is going to be a problem because if they you know, lift the uh you know, say twenty five percent goes to maybe fifty percent or whatever, and you still have no fast passes. Those lines you're waiting now, maybe you're waiting an hour to two hours, they're going to go to three and four hour waits because you're going to have double the people in the parks and

no one fast pass. And I don't want to wait in line for four hours. I mean, that's that's ridiculous. I remember flight of passage over an Avatar. There were, like I read almost six hours people were waiting to get on that ride at one point, and that was with the fast pass system working. Right now, there's no fast passes, so people are going to start complaining about wait times and it's gonna get messy. It's really going to get messy. And I'm due to go in April,

last week of March, first week April. I still don't know what to expect. You know, it's on schedule. I don't expect the cancelations like I had to suffer through last year of we're going, we're going, We're not going, we're going here. Stop, No, we're not going. No, we're going here, and then it's canceled. I don't think we're gonna deal with that. Yeah, but I just I'm still

curious to see what it is we're walking into. You know, maybe a little bit more, you know of the cavalcade, maybe a couple more floats, a few more characters, you know, some photo ops, photo ops. I sadly, I don't think they're gonna happen for a long time. It's weird because Universal, from what I've read, their restrictions are like they're not social distancing at all. I think you still have to

wear a mask, but there's no markers. Somebody route they went and there was like markers to stand six feet away from each other. So everybody's just like arm in arm walking through Universal. And they're saying, well, it is Disney going to be next? Because there they are in Florida. Florida is open, you know, I don't reilly nilly. They're all like, ah, yeah, anything goes. Yeah. They're they're like the hippies of the skiff through Harry potter Land, like

it's nobody's problem. You just use the magic to get rid of it. I guess, I don't know. It's it's interesting to see things unwined and unfold, but the Magical Express just got me that that was really depressing. And then seeing Disneyland take those pass holders away, that's it's so sad. People like me love this stuff, you know what I mean, We don't live for it, but it's a big part of my life. And it's it's just it's the outlet. It's your thing. It's the thing that

keeps you, you know, motive. You always set the goal of it's going to be this, and it's this family outing and you have all these special memories. So it's your thing, I mean, and that's that's great, but it just sucks that your thing is really really altered right now. Yeah, It's something that my family looks forward to every single year, and you know, we were devastated this year. We're supposed

to be going in like two weeks. Our trip was always at the end of January, I mean going into February, so this obviously we're not doing that this year. So we're looking at on their months and other hotels and which is another thing. Man, they really spike those hotel prices for Disney book both lord, I still think I got mine a pretty good damn deal when I booked it. By yeah, i'd be crazy because right now, even with discounts, they are expensive, and I guess they're making up for

the losses that they suffered. But good lord, it's uh, you got to get eight jobs in order to go to Disney. Let me see, that was my I'm looking to see if I could pull it up right now. No, that's fine, that's the twenty twenty one. Let's see. I was due to stay Monday, July twenty seventh to July thirtieth. I was at one forty eight a night at the All Star Movies Resort. But I believe we're paying less than that right now, for we're saying I had don't have it in front of me, so I can't give

you the exact expensive. I mean, we were thinking of going for now fourteen days. We usually do twelve, and I think it's almost close to being a permanent resident. Well, we just love it so much and if we can find a good deal and we can add a couple of days on it, so I don't know what we're

gonna do, but we're we're gonna keep looking. Well, the saga will unfold right in front of our eyes as you will document that respect of the way, including and for people who are just listening to us now haven't checked us out before. Last year when Francine went, we got video exclusives. She took a little diary, you know, and was showing us everything she did. So that's what's to look forward to. If I do it, it's not fun.

They want to see you walking around and all the great stories that you had, so you should do it too. We'll do something, but I'm not gonna do it like you did. That was great with really, if you join our patreon, there's a cheap plug for that patreon dot com slash Francine podcast and you go all the way back to last like January. We posted them in February, you'll see France Disney trip. It was fantastic. Yeah, and my kids are like, mom, are you ever gonna get

done blogging? They would be asking me questions. I'll be quiet, I'm flogging. So you know, de's something we're talking about building up the YouTube channel a little bit that you have that could be something we give a little piece of your trip, like a little snip of that clip and give it to them. See what uh see, what do people think of that? And then maybe come and check it out? How about that? All right, Francine, let's take a moment right here to talk about our sponsor,

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is a hot commodity on the indie scene. I'm not sure why he's not signed anywhere, but we just followed each other on Twitter and he reached out. So this is Sam Adonis. It was a little flow on the click. There is half of the theory I'll look at him all lounging in his hotel room. I'm loving it. I'm enjoying River Monsters on Discovery Channel because that's what I do. Oh, really nice, I have not I'm jealous Sam, because I haven't been in a hotel room in quite a long time. Yeah,

it's been pretty rough. I mean I was lucky enough to be made by living on andies before this, I was doing a lot of stuff in Mexico, Japan, and then once this hit, I had to get a full time job. I'm so this is actually kind of feeling like a vacation now. And the cool thing is I have my cheat job money, and now my indie money is like extra money. So it's actually I'm not complaining too much. I mentioned a while ago because I think you and I were following each other. Oh no, he's

still there. A screen just went up, But you keep talking. I think you and I were following each other a while ago, and then I don't know what happened with your Twitter, but you came back, and then I got a friend request, so I refollowed you. But I had mentioned when the pandemic started, I was like, you know, a lot of people lost their income because we can't wrestle and we can't go on the road. And I mentioned you took a job with Amazon. Yes, ma'am. It's

just we need to be gotten. It was just like I said, I was lucky to be able to make a living on the indies, because I mean it's they were hot before hid. The indies were a good thing prior to all of this. And then I lost you guys, I don't know where. Ok, you're there, No, we got you. Keep talking, You're good. Yeah, it was just it's I didn't really want to wait for it because it happened so quick and all the shows were canceled and everything.

So I had to kind of just you know, do my business or get out of the restroom if you would. And yeah, just I hopped on it real quick, and luckily it got worse before it got better. But I never really suffered any financial strain because I was delivering jobs.

But it's very humbling, I must say that, because I mean I was doing some big stuff in Mexico and like, you know, as a rock status for a little bit next to you know, I'm delivering packages, you know, delivering to some seventy year old lady on an Amazon route. We interviewed you. We interviewed Sam on Too Many Power

Trip in twenty seventeen. So that was really, you know, basically like you were smack dab in the middle of that craziness that was going on, and it was it was a sight to see just to like research it and you know, and check it all out. It was unbelievable. But not many Amazon drivers I know that know have that unique look that you do, so you'd probably stand out.

I actually had people like because in Pittsburgh, my dad was an been promoter for years, so like I in wrestling, if you're wrestling fan of Pittsburgh, you know me and you know my brother. So I mean, it's happened a few times where I've been stopping for lunch or something, Hey are you Samon Donnas, and I'm dressing my Amazon uniform and whatnot. So so over tell the people who your brother is if they don't know, I am actually the younger brother of ww's Corey Graves. So now let

me ask you. Go ahead, go ahead, I just I don't really it's I've been wrestling for thirteen years now, and you'd be surprised how few people actually know that We've actually really had very separate careers, and I'm proud of it, of them without being known as his little brother. But I guess now that it's coming out a little bit more, and I guess maybe I'm being seen a little bit more, it's probably starting to help my cause.

Finally people say, oh, yeah, your Graves brother. So I've been able to do a lot by myself, but now it's kind of cool to be synonymous with the guy that calls the shows on Monday nights and Friday nights. Just say Sterling James Keenan. Everybody will know that that was so long ago. That was yeah. I don't know if you know an him press scene from I don't know if you did a three p W. Do you remember Meeni's company? I do. My brother used to wrestle there a lot, so I was probably maybe fourteen or

fifteen being coming to three PW with him. I used to go to E c W at the Bouldome in Manaka. That's where I used to I was kidding. And then when I was fourteen, my brother started working at the arena, but E CW was gone. So I mean, I've known a lot of the guys for years because my brother,

you know, Meani and Dreamer. Like it's kind of cool because I was such a fan as a kid, and just like little things like this being able to talk to you today, it's like it's kind of surreal in a weird way, you know, because you guys, you had mentioned that you and I have met before. What kind of got it was just an autograph sign I get National market in robo mall. I think it was November to remember, weekend of ninety seven. I know Bam Bam herself,

Chris and uh and Shane Diava was wrong. It was so cool because like I was a starstruck and I was kind of weird because I was I was born in eighty nine, but my brother and dad were the biggest wrestling fans. So when I was born, they had all VHS tapes, We had all the you know with Class of the Champions, with all Memphis TV tapes and like, even though my earliest memories of wrestling were like, let's say, Razor Ramone and Shawn Michaels at the Eel and like

that was my That's what I remember. But I wasn't ever too into like what's currently happening. I was always watching old tapes. I loved the Saturda Night's main events, so the Class of the Champions or you know Memphis in the eighties, and I kind of paid attention to what was happening, but I always felt like there was more out there, so we'd always get the aftermags and everything,

and ECW was getting pushed so hard. I remember remember on weekends, I'd stay up to UH and sleep in the basement on the couch, and it was like twelve thirty at night and I wake up, I flicking through the channels and e c w's on. I literally recapt jump out of bed, Run Officers Dad. E c w's on, Matt, Wake Up. E c w's on, wakes Up, My mom wakes up and puts a pot of coffee on. This is I think maybe December ninety six, so I was, you know, six years old, and it was just it

was a at that point we were hooked. I was so so addicted to that, and then you know, just the ECW led me to finding Japanese wrestling and Mexican wrestling and kind of just you know, branching out from being an American wrestling fan and that ultimately has been the major influence of my career. I love that story. That's great. I do have a question for you. What is the age difference between you and your brother? He's five years older than me. Okay, yeah, he was her

he helped train you. Yeah. Yeah. My dad had an independent company in Pittsburgh at the time, and I was, I guess sixteen. So my dad we got like a rental unit and we put the ring up and my brother was actually my trainer. And I'm actually the only wrestler from the school that still wrestles. But that's kind of natural. I was using the analogy that if your parents own a bakery, probably bake a pretty good cake,

so it's bit in the blood. And then luckily O Wrestlings showed me a lot of things and now I'm fluent in Spanish because of it. Okay, well, you know your brother works for WWA. We all know that there's a connection because he's your brother. Why don't we see you working there. Have you had an opportunity to like have a tryout or go to like you know, train or anything because of it? Or does not want to pull strings? I had a contract before my brother did.

I was signed to W twenty eleven and I was, Yeah, I was there for like a year and it was just stawful. I didn't do well. I was a kid. I just it was you know, it was a really overwhelming situation for a kid with my life experience. So I got released and h it's just timing just has never really been on my side, you know, you know as well as I do. There's a lot about timing

in this business. And I've done so much international travel that you know, I think now that the independent scene is its own thing, and I'm almost even though I'm well experienced in the international wrestling and the rest as a whole, there's so many you know, hot indie companies that have their own hot stars, and there's a pecking order that I'm almost not involved in because you know

that pecking order is established in the local independency. Well I'm in Japan or Mexico, I'm not in that pecking order. So I think it's a matter of time, you know. I definitely think my best years ahead of me. I've just you know, I've been working hard. There there's not too many guys my age, my size, with my experience my ability, so like I would like to think that, you know, my best years are ahead of me, But

I don't think. I don't really want to ask my brother, hey, get me a job, because you know, no, Yeah, but at this point, you've been in the business a very long time. He's been there a very long time. I would think, you know, something would have crossed by now. Yeah. I think a lot of people think that. But yeah, I don't know. I don't, I don't. I have no idea what it is. But I'm just having fun and

enjoying it right now. I think when the time's right, somebody would come to me somewhere, especially now that you know, the competition is building again. Now there's more places to work, and you know, eventually, I hope, you know, and this is something for all of us independent guys. I hope it gets to the point when they start hiring people so the competition can't have them, you know, and then there's gonna be a lot of guys with jobs and looks.

If we can repeat what happened in ninety nine, two thousand, you know, it's a better place for all of us. Yeah, I I agree with that. It's it's great to see you know, aw nwa roh. It's great to see these companies kind of not step up. But I mean it's it's like everybody's joining forces against like WWE right now to try and combat with them, because they were the only game for a long time and now they're being challenged. And I love that, and I love that there's more

places for guys to work. So there's so much talent, like you're one of them. There's so much independent talent out there, and not enough people get their opportunity to shine on television. So this is the way I've always looked at it, though, is it's a marathon, not a sprint. You know, it's it's in my blood. And I almost I almost peaked too early when I signed in twenty eleven.

It was ready to be there, and that taught me that like, Okay, this isn't something I want to do while now, and this is something I'm doing for my life, you know, I want a career. I look at a guy like aj Styles as super inspirational because he signed with them to be at forty years old, and he came in on the top and just you know, took

off and did really well. Maybe that's my path. You know, maybe I'm not going to get there for five more years, but when when I get hired, you're not hiring a young kid that has to play by the rules and do you know, go through the package they're in the system, you're gonna say, Okay, this guy's one of the best talents on earth. We have to do something with them. So, you know, there's a lot of things in my favor

patience being one of them. But I definitely think there's something good on the horizon that that twenty eleven time too, that's kind of like a rough time to be in developmental because they're making the switch and they're kind of putting into place the plan that they'd have now and it's kind of sink or swim. So for you being so young at the time, that's that's like a that's like oil and water. You know, it's not going to mix. The thing that was really difficult about my time in

FCW is right before NXT. It was almost a conflict of interest because FCW was not owned by ww R had to promote their own events and make their money aside from WWE, so they had their own priorities. They had the stars they wanted to push that they think are going to sell tickets at the local markets and I, you know, enjoy they need to sell their merchandise and do it, you know, for the local business as opposed to creating a star that's getting ready for national business.

So for example, W hired me to get ready and you know, hey, you know who knows what they wanted to do with me. But I was a WW employee. Well I was really good at selling merch at the merch table. I was a hustler. I'd you know, move stuff. So every Friday or Saturday night it was Hey, Sam, you're on merch. I'm like, can I have a match? Was like, yeah, you merch you know this, and I'm thinking, like, what the hell? You know, WD had no idea this

was going on. You know, they come down once a month and you know, send the agents and talk to us and you guys really need to want this and do it. You know, they preached. They were blue in the face, and I didn't want to be a stud huge and call the boss and say, hey, what the hell I'm you know, I can't get a match. But at the same time, the longer I was selling merch, the lower my value went. You know, I wasn't getting opportunity to didn't see anything in me. There was no

return on their investment because I'm just selling merchandise. And then, you know, I had a knee surgery in about you know, five days after I was clear. They cut me because he's been there a year now, he hasn't done anything. Well, you know, I hate to blame anyone else for my own misfortune, but there was a lot of circumstances beyond my control. Understood well March huh, Yeah, I mean it's

just this this charming smile of mind. You know, I can sell a lot of programs with it, the good Cop, Bad Cop, with some of those people who were on the fence about buying stuff. Exactly again, I mentioned my dad on an independent show and just growing up around it. I've always had such like a thirst for the business, and I've always wanted to pay my dues. Not because oh, you have to build a ring, because that's what you're

supposed to do. I couldn't wrestle, So let me build the ring, let me sell the merch let me carry the guys right, let me ring the bell. Anything I could do, I wanted to do. And this started at you know, twelve or thirteen years old, and this is something that has been invaluable in my wrestling career because you know, I've been on independent shows where they couldn't even tie the curtain off on the ring, and I said,

let me do this. You know, I got this. Just there's so many things that have helped me because of growing up in that, and you know, merchandise being one of it. You know, I would sell merchant hustle, you know, how to talk to people, and you know, coming from a background like that, the one thing I when I was fifteen or sixteen, me and my dad would argue till we till we were just angry at each other because I didn't understand the consumers is what we're looking for.

I always want to say, let's book these guys. They're going to have a great match, and my dad will say, these people in this town aren't going to give a crap about these guys. Yeah they're big on the internet, but they're not going to sell tickets. So it kind of, you know, trained me to understand what the paying public enjoys. And now as a performer, I understand it's not about

what I want to do. It's about what the fans want to see, you know, and just performing for the masses as opposed to a bit of a you know, segregated demographic. I'm not just trying to get over on the internet. I want to move as many tickets as I can. I want people to come to our shows and say, yeah, you know that would be is great. But saming, honest is my favorite wrestling. Yeah, and it's also a group effort and you're trying to better the

company and not just put yourself over. So I love that. That's that's a great point that you're trying to make there. Well, we're in a weird situation now because it is it's such a selfish, self centered industry, and with social media, you have to be selfish to be seen, you know. And the thing it's it's it's blows my mind that

you know, I've wrestled. I worked a bunch of times for All Japan Pro Wrestling, and I worked in Mexico City for CML, And every time I'm there, you know, I know what I can do, but I know what my bosses want me to do. So for example, in Mexico, we had to train and do all the high spots, had to do all the moon soalts everything once a week. We had to do this at like a wrestling practice classes, and you had to perform at this class or you're not booked on the shows. So I had to earn

my spot on these shows every week killing it. Then on Friday night there'd be ten thousand people to Arena Mexico and I'm rest a Negro Cassis and I want to do all my fancy stuff that I just practiced on Wednesday and said no, no, no, you're a heel. You don't do that. Don't do that, You're a heel. So I'm punching and kicking and the thing is about like the internet fan base, if they're watching that, they're saying, why the hell Samon Donnison CML he doesn't do any

high spots. We want to see lucha. My boss is were over the moon. They loved me. I was making great money. We're actually drawing money, which is you know, almost a lost arm these days. But we made money for the company. Everything was great. But because I wasn't selfish, because I worked for the company and for my bosses, that kind of you know, affected me on the back end because now I come to the United States like, yeah, I saw, I'm an expert. He doesn't do anything that,

he's nothing special. Yeah, but don't you think the fans are smarter these days as well because of the Internet and they know that it's the office and it's not you. No, No, I don't think it's no that at all. I think, honestly, people don't understand that because I go against the grade. I think it's the general idea is get your shit in because you need to get that gift on the internet. You need to be seen and you need to go viral.

And I think everybody has one train of thought that. Again, maybe I'm insane because I'm a mark for the eighties and nineties that it shouldn't be the old school way. But I've almost bail off my nose to spite my face because you know, I've heard it, I've seen it on Twitter and whatnot. It's, oh my god, why is Sam and Donnas in all Japan? He doesn't do anything? Oh why see? And it's like, well, you know, there's a lot more than that. If that's the case, then

you know, I don't know. I don't I think the fans almost get too much credit sometimes for being the pulse. But you know, it's all about making your own social media important, and we didn't have social media, so we couldn't benefit off that. I mean, I've bet I just joined Twitter three years ago and still have trouble navigating sometimes. But what you guys did is you all played for the team you had, you know, thirty or forty wrestlers, all doing their part the best they could. Now there's

no your part. It's you want to be the show. It's almost more of a competition. I don't like that. I'm sorry, but that's the difference between an independent In twenty twenty, a good indie house is two hundred and fifty three hundred. That's a good house, you know. In ninety nine a good indie house was twelve hundred and fifteen hundred. Because you guys understood it's not competition. Now we're of the mentality. There's some locker rooms, some big

locker rooms of these big events. I don't like being in because the pressure is too high. All of us walk in like we're the cock of the walk. We're the best one there. We know what we're doing and it's follow that, you know, and then by the fourth match of fans are burnt out. And you know, when when you give the fans that much power, they know they're in control and they don't want to enjoy the

wrest of them. They just want to critique it. So the next thing, you know, one great show that draw us three hundred people, next Time has you know, two hundred and twenty people, Following Time has one hundred and fifty people, and then something that was a great thing, you know, kind of tapers off. Yeah. See, I don't like that. I'm not going to lie. And the difference now is because I've done In twenty nineteen, I did a couple of shows with Shane because I said, I'm

not going to work anymore. I can't bump because I've had so many surgeries and if I take a bump things can go wrong. My doctor said absolutely no ring right, But I did managing for him. We're not the main event anymore. Obviously, it's about the younger kids, and we get it, and Shane's good. Shane will put anybody over like we're good with that. But we're usually like second third match, you know, And it's different than when you're

always main eventing, different dynamic. And I noticed the houses are smaller and some kids don't even say hi when you walk into the locker room. And I said, well, I said, when I grew up, you had to go around shake everyone's hand, that was the law. Now they don't maybe they don't even know who we are, but they don't even acknowledge you. So it's certain dynamic. It drives me nuts because again I went the old school route,

and I love classic wrestling. Ninety five percent of independent wrestlers now, their first memory of wrestling would be, let's say, the Ed Guerrero era two thousand and four. So, like, you know, WB has done such a great job of kind of rewriting history, you know, the way it fits

into their their system. There's almost just there's so many massive stars that are just virtually obsolete now and if you go into arrest of the block room, you can't say, you know, you can't even say, oh, yeah, this this you know Jack Briscoe is you know, is he the father of the Briscos from Ringham Honor? You know, like that's one thing, like I get along so well with a lot of the you know, the generation before me, because, like I'd like to think, I'm one of the last

real ones that makes sense. You know, I can sit there and talk, you know, with somebody that's been around, and I always say that. You know, I can hang out with Ultimate Draggon and he's going to tell me, you know, holy cowt Samon Donna's is, you know, one

of the best young kids in the business. And then I can go to an independent show, you know, with local indy guys, and they're going to say, what the hell is the big deal about Sam Donna's He doesn't do a Canadian destroyer, you know, so crazy, it's so crazy. Where are you now? Who are you working for Tonight? I'm in Texas with Pala Pro Tonight I'm off, which is also cool. I never have tell room. We have another show tomorrow night, and I'm with your friend MK

Bandit Matthew. Yes, we're are in a hotel room. He's at the gym right now. I'm doing a little bit later. But yeah, we actually hooked up at Tommy Dreamer show at the House of Hardcore and he's been like one of my best buddies ever since. Hey. Yeah, he almost is like a shoe agent, which is awesome because in

the United States it has one of us. But he's such a you know, he's so tied into the West Coast scene and I'm Pittsburgh in the Northeast and I have, you know, the connections I've made, and he'll literally say, okay, hey, March nineteenth, you good for Dallas, Texas? Yeah? Good? And he gets my fight, my hotel paid for everything, gets it all, take care. I never touch a dollar bill, and it's it's absolutely phenomenal. Solast night, he knocked the hell out of me. I got. I don't know if

you can see the big Yeah. Yeah, he hit me with a he's an ass was I will for sure fine. Well, Dreamer put us together just because I guess he was doing the director of something competition for House of Hardcore and I was in the middle of, uh the Donald Trump run in Mexico. So I actually had a show. I was in Pittsburgh for my family, but my flight got canceled because of a snowstorm, and I was like, well, if I stay four days and I'll text stream Er

see if I can get on. So I got to the two House Hardcourse shows, my first time working at the Arena, which was just surreal. I was gonna say, how did you like get there? They've changed it a lot though. Yeah, well I was there back when it Like I said, three p W. I know the difference of the change. I just never got to work there back when it was you know, the original arena it was. It's just, you know, it's something so exciting, you know.

I think literally I've been lucky. The only real major arena left is the Garden for me, because I did Arena Mexico, I've done Cork and Hall, I've done the ECW Arena, you know, and that's and I did also in England there's one called Croydon Fairfield Halls and Croydon in London, which is like the historic British venue. So I've been lucky to see it all and do it all. But yeah, the Garden's the last one left. Yeah, and I was at the Garden and I prefer the arena whatever,

crazy reason. The thing is, the overall energy is different now and rest Yes, you know again, I know a lot of people hate Jim Cornett and the way he preaches, but you know he's got a very a lot of violot points about. You know, there's a difference between an emotional investment and a physical and visual investment. I say it's the difference. Let's say you know that the home run derby versus Game seven of the World Series. You know, if you see home runs, you're gonna get excited. But

what do you want? You just want another home run. But when it's the bottom of the seventh, you know, and you're down by two in Game seven, you're you know, everything's on the line. So your heart, your brain, in your eyes are invested in this emotion. You know, wrestling's not like that right now. People are doing so much, you know, exciting cool things for that instant gratification on Twitter or whatnot. And now that's why the fans almost

they're more, their attention spans shorter. They don't have that genuine emotion. Watch a match for me now, I always talking about November November ninety seven, Bam Bam and Sean Shane. When Shane wins, every fist in the building is raised in the air. I vividly remember the only time I ever know my mom mark out was jumps up in the air. You don't get that investment anymore, you know, you get a this is awesome chance and you get maybe you know, a standing ovation because of oh hey,

that was a really good match. It's just different, you know, and I luckily try to keep you know, try to get a few elements of that back the best I can. But I think that being said, that's all part of me, you know, kind of being a slow burn. People kind of appreciate it, but it takes a little longer, so that I probably also goes back to why I not signed anywhere right now? Yeah, well, you're doing wonderful. Maybe I just suck. It could be that. Fuck I feel yes, now,

you don't suck promoters. Let Sam do his thing, yes, and let the world see how talented he is. How about that. I appreciate that. I just yeah, to take your thumb off him and let him work. That's it. That's what we did last night. There was a guy down here that Nobe Bryant was his name. He actually he was working for All Japan at the same time I was, but we were never on the same tour,

so I never met him. And last night, I mean, I'm enjoying wrestling a lot right now because I haven't had too much of it, But that was one of my favorite matches I ever had because we're both in the same weight length. You know, we were both just clicking. We went about twenty five minutes and people were just into it. So we had so much fun. I don't know, I'm excited for another match tomorrow night, and I'm just happy to pick things back up a little bit. And

that's the key word. You're having fun and you're enjoying what you're doing. So where can the people find you? On social media? I'm on Instagram and Twitter at real Samas. My Instagram is basically just wonderful pictures of me and I'll I'll get my girlfriend the other. The Twitter is mostly I just always like kind of share old wrestling videos and matches and stuff because I'm still sick with it. I'm obsessed with it. I just I mean, it's everything

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up Here family. And one more time, pay five dollars shipping bluetoo dot com with the promo code printine. You can't go wrong. Glue Choo dot Com appreciate you joining the Eyes up Here family. I love it, and keep putting yourself over, because if you don't put yourself over, no one else will. I always help you. That follow it up, there's a very important man in the restling business that was actually mad at me because I put myself over on Twitter, and I'm like, what the hell

you're doing me a job? I'm I'm an independent. If I don't tell people how good I am, They're not gonna think I'm good. I'm not gonna get booked. So how can I put myself over too much of I'm good? I just I just give up. You know, I just kind of go with the flow now and have fun and smile. You have to promote your brand. You need to believe in yourself because if you don't, nobody else will believe in you. So you keep doing what you're doing.

I think you're doing an excellent job of promoting yourself and just screw the haters. Just do you, kid, and you'll go very far in this business. That means a lot coming from one of my childhood crushes. So thank you, well, thank you. My heart is full. I appreciate this interview was very insightful by the way I enjoyed it. I think I come off as grumpy Stemes and I'm not. No, no, no, you were very pleasant. Because I'm in the room, I

don't know. I like to give I like to put myself over sometimes, so maybe it was because of me. It's not because of chat, that's for sure. Everybody's counting me out of this. I mean, I'm a huge part of it. I didn't let you guys get enough in. I'm sorry, No, no, you were very insightful. Well, we'll have you back on in the future, but good luck with your tour for the next couple of days and come on. Oh I know we love Yes, I'm not saying I love it. I'm shy now now that I'm

a camera. I can't sing Abba for the masses. I sing all the time. People's ears bleep. I can't sing, but I sing. I don't care. And we'll do some some songs together. How about finished the lyric. You can do Patreon extras with me one day. I'll study up on my lyrics and then we'll play a game with it. Yes, all right, write that down, Chad. We'll have him back and we'll do some market You're delightful, Sam, Thank you for coming on. And I'm sure we'll keep in touch

on the on the Twitter. As the kids say, and don't get hurt. I'm sure. Yeah. Maybe i'll see you somewhere soon. I don't know. Did he leave? Is he gone? He's there, he's there there, all right, now say goodbye because we're losing. He for on a show sometime this year. We'll see all right now, I'm kicking him out see it. Oh my god, I don't know what's going on there. Yeah,

that's great. I'll tell you something. And here's why. I mean, I want to say it, but here's why he's not going to get booked a lot because he's six foot four and everybody else is like five foot four, so he's gonna be a taller than everybody. I didn't know he was that tall. Yeah, he's a big six four two fifty Wow. Yeah, see, I like I said, I he was telling me that we met but at an autograph signing and he was like eleven and I was like, oh, sorry,

I don't remember. So he's like probably like five a you know, one eighty. Oh okay, I was still taller than made at that point, unless then I would tell her. But he's a he's a nice guy, very very smart for the business. Vers Yeah, a couple of great points to follow up on it. And I talked about this with Shane the other day. I don't know if you saw the story about hul Hogan last week when he

was at the Monday Night Raw taping. There was a he did an interview to promote it where he talked about how and this is dialent back to what you said. He doesn't get a response from the kids when he goes backstage. Everybody's kind of cold to him. And I'm like, all right, you know, I've been backstage where Shane comes in and the guys shake his hand whatever. But this is Hulk Hogan in the WWE. Do you think it's because of the racial stuff. I think that's a part

of it. But he says he gets the vibe that people feel like he's coming to steal the main event, and he said those days are well behind me, folks, you don't need to worry about that. And this whole discussion came out all over you know, Twitter and Instagram and Facebook and everything about how the veterans of your era,

the Hogan era and before are perceived. Now it's this cold shoulder because everybody is like either intimidated a that you guys were such big stars, or by they don't know who you are and they don't know how to react to you and to me, both of those should be completely put to decide, because you're coming in and you should be greeted. I feel this way. Well, first of all, with the whole Corona thing, I don't want to shake hands. Yeah, no way for me. It's fine.

I don't care. But seriously, I feel like even if you don't know know who we are right and we're coming in, you could still shake somebody's hand and introduce yourself right like you know. I'm not expecting people to look at the card and say, oh, I have to study matches because you know Shannon Francine. No, I don't care if they don't know who I am. I don't care if they didn't watch ECW. But a nice hello

would be welcoming. You know, when I go into these locker rooms and I see these kids, I always walk up to them and I always say Hi, I'm Francy, Nice to meet you. And I get two responses. I either get the limp handshake and they're looking in the sky and they don't care, or I get I know exactly who you are, either one or the other. You know, and even if you don't give a shit who I am, act like you do. You're a worker. You can put it on for five seconds and just be like, hey,

how's it going. People are ignorant. Yeah, it's just you know, I know we were raised in this business differently, and I know it's a different time and we have to adapt to the times. And it takes five seconds to smile at someone or say hello. It's not a big deal. I'm not telling you to put me over and say how great I am. I'm just hello, how are you? That's it. Don't get it. I don't get I just watched this documentary from nineteen eighty five from Salt Lake City, Utah,

about you know, pro wrestling. The guy was actually he kept calling it wrestling. He would say rassele, rassele, wrassele, And he was at an Awa event and he was getting interviews from like Kurt Henny, and Kurd Henny was like twenty five years old. This great, great documentary. But the respect that this guy had for the business and how everybody protected it, I think if it went back to that, you would see a completely different generation coming

into the business. And I think what Sam said, kids who are basically training now started watching in the mid two thousands, where okay fabe really was on its way out. We started seeing more and more about the you know, the back end stuff, shoot, interviews, interviews, YadA YadA, YadA U. And I think that the uh not a lore like the I don't know, like the the curtains. Well, yeah, like the curtain was pulled back enough where people don't give a shit anymore and they could kind of beat

to their own drum. Sam had an advantage. You know, Sam's dad, right, so he was taught. I hate to say the right way, but the old school way is what I will refer to. It's a different era, I get it, you know, and people do different things, and I just feel a common courtesy just be nice. You know, they were not asking you to bow at our feet.

It's just if you look up and say hello. Now, people are tying their boots, you know, they're hunched over in their chair, they're going over their match, and you don't. You don't get two words set to you. So we just go sometimes and we just sit in our own corner and people are really nice. But some people just don't care. And I guess that's indie wrestling today. And hey, if it works for you, by all means, yeah, it's it's just it's an ever evolving business. I guess that's

the way you could say. It's ever evolving, you know, for the better. Possibly, you know, it's it's very it's a it's an odd thing to kind of quantify because ratings are down, right, but guys are making money. Who are you know, signing contracts and are employed and having to work a lighter schedule and it's it's just it's a weird time. Merchandise is at an all time high. It's just it's a very weird, weird time to be

in wrestling. I feel like the hustle isn't as h I don't know that it's not there as much as when we were on the road. Yeah, I feel like we had to hustle a lot more. I feel like these days, and and social media is a big part of it too, things are easier, I think for guys and girls that are in the business today because, like Sam was saying, he's on Twitter promoting himself and getting himself over, and we didn't have these features, you know what I mean. And we all we relied on was

our entring work. Uh. You had to be there to see us and our television and that's that's all we had. But there's so many different things today that these guys and girls have, you know, uh, the opportunity to use and tools, and I just feel like it's a lot easier to get out there and promote yourself than it was when I was in the business because I had to rely on others to help me. We don't even't have media and stuff like that. It was TV. Yeah,

he u's your television slot. Yeah, that was it. So and like we've talked about the random news story that was done, you know, where you got spread out a little bit more to a while, that's it. Or a newspaper. You guys are going to Asbury Park and now you're in the Asbury Park Press for Friday before the show. We had the magazines because the magazines were hot back then, not so much today. But if you didn't buy the magazine,

you didn't, you know. And then ninety percent of the articles were fake in the right exactly, So it wasn't like the truth was out there. But I just feel like I'm not saying they're not working as hard, because they certainly are. But all I'm saying is they have more opportunities to get themselves out there and promote their brand than we did, you know. And and brand wasn't a word in the nineties. We didn't have brands. It was just like, hey, I'm a wrestler, Hey I work

for this company. That was it, you know. So there's there's plenty of opportunity out there, and it's great. I'm happy for everyone, but it's it's a different time. It's completely different. If he was good at selling T shirts. Yeah, you know, And like he said, how FCW was was built in a complete different model. Why didn't somebody from FCW go to the office and say, look, this guy's great in the ring, but he's got a sales knack to him. What can you guys do with the guy

who can sell stuff like that? That's what I don't get about how certain things work out. If he had a neck for being able to sell merchandise, why wouldn't you accentuate that. I have an angle Right now, he's the merch guy. He's selling T shirts. You put him in the ring and you make him toss T shirts out, somebody comes out, says something negative to him, and he does a great move, and then people can see that he's a worker, right exactly. Why not do something like that?

What did you used to do? Used to be ring crew? The ring crew guys would get beat up and then all of a sudden they fight back and never something to show people. Yeah, I am a worker. I can work. No, I like thatll T shirts. I mean, I'm not a booker, and I can come up with these all day. Yeah, very easy. Yeah, it's not rocks. But that's why I wanted to get into your business from back then and not what was ultimately today's wrestling business. I wanted to

get into the old school. And when I showed up for my first day working in the WWTV studio and I had to wear a suit, does the worst day of my life? Okay? Because I'm like Renegades wrestling T shirts, Zubez snake skin boots and I'm working in a TV studio in a suit. So I was like, this is already off on the wrong foot. Your suit was my bikini. There you go? They see? Is something about it? Two different ends of the spectrum, right, absolutely? Yeah, Well he

seems like a great guy, so happy we had him on. Absolutely. I can't get over how good you sound on this microphone. I swear you sound fantastic. Thank you very much, amore. You're gonna be great on the games that we play on Patreon where you can lean in and answer. Yeah. Thanks for making noises? Now that's the noise? Was that the noise of a bird tapping on a window? Should

I whisper? Can you hear me? Yes? Very clearly, very true? Okay, all right, so yeah, all the best to Sam and we will go into Patreon links will do our plugs at the end again like we did last time. You and I will splice him in as much easier on the old chadstar there but on Patreon. This week, we're gonna play something that Francine has brought to the table. I supposed to do this last week, but Chadster jumped the gun. We are going to play a game called

Dead or Alive. Wan it. So what's the purpose of dead or Alive? What's the purpose? Like, will give me the objective of the game. See if I know if they're living or deceased. Okay, well there you go, so dead. I believe it was our Patreon member Pat that suggested that, And if I'm wrong, I'll correct myself. But I think it was Pat who said, oh, Dead or Alive would be a fun game. Yes, yeah, so we'll see so

Dead or Alive. We were also speaking of Patrick. He will be this week Patreon member spotlight where we're gonna get get to meet him. And this is one of the perks of Patreon. Now for the new year, if you join, we're going to schedule you to come on, introduce yourself, talk to us, tell us what you're looking for, tell us what you like, and you get to chit chat and shoot the breeze and you get to talk to the Queen of Extreme. That's a win win in

my book. I feel like I'm on that tier every week I get to chitchat with the Queen of Extreme. And then see, I was going back and forth on what I wanted to do for the watch along, and I actually I thought I had found another match with Jazz and Steve Carino. Again, it was mislabeled and it was exactly the same match that you guys did on TV on a house show identical. So I was like, all right, I can't do that one back to back. Maybe we'll revisit it in another time. But this one's interesting.

This is a little longer, but we're going to talk during it about one participant of it. But it's also a pretty big match Tommy Dreamer versus Just Incredible from heat Wave two thousand. I have zero recollection of Gorgeous George c W zero zero, but I watched a few minutes and I saw you take her fricking head off with a kendostick, And we're going to talk about that during the match, so but that wasn't during this match.

I know, I saw that and it led me to get to this and this match is longer, so we can talk about it because it wasn't a long stretch of time. But I have zero recollection of this and I love George so much, so that was hard for me to do. I smacked the living shit out of her. But yes, we'll talk about it later. Yes, So that's that's what we're gonna do on on Patreon this coming week. If you want to follow me, it's at Chad E and B on Instagram and Twitter and head over to

my website Ibexclusives dot com. We got a lot of autograph signings in the pipeline, have things coming up, and again I'll just tease this again. I have something like this coming in the future. Okay, we'll talk about that at a later date. We'll do those later on. We're gonna do that at the end again. Okay. So that's all I got. That's all you got. When when are

Diamond Conversations coming back? Possibly at the beginning of the season, moving moving it to the Creative Control Network because they need sports content. But I think it works best in season rather than during the off season, which you would think it might be the opposite, but it's I don't know, it kind of fits better when it's going on, when the season's happening. So we'll be back probably around spring

training in you know March. Ish awesome. Okay, Well, for me across the board, it is at ECW, DVA Francine, Twitter, Instagram, I think my fan Facebook page, I don't know. Cameos are a hot, hot commodity. You want a cameo, you have to go to my Twitter to book because if you don't, they take fifty five percent, those bastards. So come on ever to Twitter and book book a cameo for yourself or for a friend. And my Twitch is my new amazing baby and I am loving it and

I'm going so far three days a week. So if you want to check me out, I would love for you to give me a follow on twitch. It is www dot Twitch, dot tv, Forward Slash, ECW Diva, Francine Awesome and uh yeah, another another fun one in the book. So we can we can say goodbye for this week. Okay, Well that's a wrap. Then