Eyes Up Here: Shelly Martinez Is Back

but it is the queen of extreme frenzy. I am an honorary Vampire Girl today with my new shirt, and like you said, we'll talk about that. But everything going all right. Everything's great. Snow abunding my residence but otherwise very good. Yes, the kids were chopping at the bit to get outside today and I was like, well, mommy has to work, but as soon as I'm done, we'll venture out. So uh and you want to start hot? I do? Is she here? We start about as hot

as you could possibly get it going. So I'm wearing this shirt because I want to honor our guest today, Miss Shelley Martinez is here. Where are you? This is what I did all day yesterday. I made a studio in my girlage. How beautiful? Is that I? At first I said to myself, is that a ferris wheel behind her? And why is it my time? And where is she? But then I was like, wait a minute, No, that looks great. I'm in my beat cave. I love it.

It looks so good. This is the first time me using it because I spent like all day yesterday like putting it all together because on the other side of my garage is my gym. So it's like I've been really trying to like focus on because there's this really cute place in downtown La like to shoot and it kind of has this vibe and it's like, dude, I'm spending all this money on this like space, why not just like make my own and just like make it better. Like my couch sucks, it's my old couch, but you

know they'll get there. I'll get a little couch and you can't even see your couch because your boobs take up the whole lens. Yeah, it's exactly. Look I'm sporting today. Yes, I said in your intro, I said, I'm an honorary vampire girl. Absolutely, I'm not trying to steal your gimmick by any means, but she was nice enough to send me a shirt and I said, come on the show. Let's promote whatever you're doing and chit chat because it's

been a hot minute. I haven't seen your face since we did the Bikini Swimsuits Spectacular Showdown whatever it was called, was August August. Yeah, that's terrible. You know, her and I are the worst. We will text back and forth, you know, because we've kept in touch now for a million years, right, and we're always like, we need to FaceTime, we need to sit. We never get around to it, and it's terrible and we really need to do that. I agree, Well, at least we're here. We can kinda

and I'm just the spectator. So FaceTime, I'm just saying how shitty we are because we keep saying we're going to do it and we never do it. But you're here now. So what has been going on in the life of uh miss Martinez? Fill us in let us know, Well, a whole lot. Of course, I have my secret society,

that's always a given. But you know, ever since I was in TNA, I had this idea of having this like boutique where it would be items of things that not only that I would come up with in design, like shirts for example, but like, you know, stuff that I love, because something I hate more than anything is wasting my money on products that like just because this person says it's good because they're getting paid, Like I've

wasted so much money. So I wanted to bring like a place where people can like get the things that I love without like cutting the middleman kind of thing. So back in TNA, before social media was what it was, I just kind of saw it as like having like this boutique of stuff that I just love. But of course, with wrestling, it takes over, so I had to put it on the back burner, put it in the back burner.

Last couple of years, I've been trying to figure out how to get a damn resell license, and like it just took me forever. It was super easy, and I got it and then lo and behold, I was like, I'm making it happen. So I built my website. I got merchant there, you know, and already I'm just really proud of what it has because it has my shirts like you look so lovely in and they come in Vampire Guy as well, and I have some vinyl in there. Because I love music. I'm a vinyl collector, so there's vinyl.

I have some flower hair clips because dumb Shelley. Let's see what else do I have in there? I have something else? What was Oh? I have like a digital download. So it's just a bunch of fun stuff. And it's like I do have my official merchandise on there, but it's nothing to do with like my secrets societ or posting like stuff for like my sexy content. It's like literally my little online boutique that it just so happens.

That's where my stuff is. And on Sunday, I'm gonna be hosting my first ever meet and greet on Good Vibrations boutique dot com. Oh that's the thing. So you're gonna be live and selling live like QUDC. Well just

like how we did, like did the bikini thing. You know, it's a thing, but it's gonna be on Good Vibrations Boutique and it'll also go to my YouTube channel of live stream and I'm using stream yarticles, so I'm gonna have people with wait in line if they want to call like video in and just be like, hey, I bought that so I could chat with them while I sign it, so we'll see how it goes. We know

how technology is sometimes, so that's a good idea. I you know, on Twitter, you have like all these different things that you're promoting, and I'm just like, I don't know what is what you know because they're so so you have like five different links that you put up. You have this, you have this, you have this. Break it down for me. So you just explained the website that you're promoting. When you say your secret Society, okay, is that different than say it like the only fan.

Are you still doing OnlyFans? Well, here's the thing. My secret Society is my exclusive membership for those of you out theres I don't know, just exclusive content, whether it's videos, photos, you name it, it's there. I have only fans. But the way I work my only fans is there some people who they just generally want to just use OnlyFans, So that's why I have it there for them. And it's at the fifteen dollars tier that I have because it starts at five dollars membership and then it goes

all the way up to one hundred. So that is just the place where it's like that just that membership because we just live in an age where people love only fans. And then I got my Patreon. People, you know, that's where it's a little bit more you can do from five dollars two hundred and the most content is on my Patreon, just because I used to just solely use it for my secret society and then my website shall i Martinez dot net. Some people don't like to

be on these social media platforms. They like old school. They want an old school website. So the reason why I have so many different options for people is because literally my my audience is some of them just want OnlyFans, some of them just want Patreons, some of them just want my website. Now, if I was more over in life, I can command everyone to just go on my secret

side over stop that, but it's over. I wouldn't I would be able to boss my people that I'm just not, so I kind of cater to where like everyone is at because that's when I add all that money up. That's why I'm able to do what I do for a living lot. It's a lot, but it's worth it because I get to do what I want to do, yes, exactly, no, and I'm not knocking it by any means. I'm just like I see certain links and I'm just like, I get confused because I'm like, Okay, what link is this?

And what is she doing on this page? And so when I wanted it to have you on here, I just wanted you to explain the different things because if somebody hears this and they want to sign up, they're signing up for the right product. Oh and then I just started another side. I told you you need link tree. You ever hear a link tree? Oh? Yeah? Like if you go to Shelley Secret Society dot com, it's very organized. I put it right there if you want to do

it this way or that way. But long story short as I can make it, I'm a failed foot model fetish model. I tried it. It didn't work out for me. I wish it did. But to be hon I don't know if this is the way for all girls or fellas that do it, but for me, it was more like what the people that were paying wanted I wasn't comfortable doing, and so when I was just putting out what I wanted, it made me a few bucks. But to add that of my roster of things to do,

it just wasn't enough. And then I asked. I did a poll on Twitter, on my secret society Twitter, and somebody said that they had been a member of my foot Club, but they've always felt that I gave away too much in my previews, and I said, so they're being cheap asses. He said yes, So a member from that community said that, so I stopped being a foot model. So do you not do full content on the other sites?

I mean, I do, but it's more like the foot Club was just like giving them the souls every time, giving them the wrinkle, like all the things they love I was giving to them. Yeah, but now it's more like, Okay, I have some people. And then I did another poll on like my audience. On my audience, my boobs and booty people way outweigh people who are my fans that

are into my feet. So that also made sense too, because I know there's girls out there that I've met throughout the years, and maybe they've had no like kind of mainstream exposure like you have or myself, so they just started from the beginning. So they hustled and they're on these forums and all this. I've got too much to do to like try to grab the audience and like, you know what, I mean to like sit there, because

I got all these other sites I'm working on. So that's why I was just like, you know what, I don't think it's for me. I think I should just work that my audience likes to pay for my boobs and my butt and that's it. I find it interesting because like I dabbled in the foot fetish realm, I didn't know much about it. You know, I always got requests for my feet. Now I'm gonna go on record and say, my feet are the drizzling shits. My feet to me look like Fred Flintston when he started up

his car. They're big. I'm a nine. I have a big, big toe. They're not but yet people find them utterly irresistible and I can't see why they're just My husband even said what and I'm just like, dude, I don't even know, Like you know some people, I don't judge anybody. Like everybody's got their thing that they like and they're fetish and it's all good. But my feet are not cute.

I don't get it. But like you said, I wouldn't even know, Like if I wanted to go full fledged because out of all the fetishes out there, I feel like the feet are the most innocent because I don't think it's a dirty thing, like you know, it's it's just they're just feet, you know. And even though I look at them and I don't see feet as being beautiful, other people do and that's fine. But I wouldn't even know what forum to go look for to promote my Like I know they're out there, I don't even know

how to find these things. And the foot thing, I can never wrap my head around because like I would take these pictures and then they would want me to go to the next level, and I'm like, well, what is that level? Like a foot to foot? I don't under how do you keep evolving with feet? It's just the foot, I don't I don't know. But then it got to the point where I, you know, they they wanted me to have somebody else rub my feet and then put my feet in their mouth, and it's weird.

I was like, I don't feel comfortable doing that kind of stuff. So that's where I was just like I'm done, you know, But I'm right there with you, like and too. It's so interesting because at first I was like, what is it about feet? And I would ask my audience and they wouldn't say they just don't want to talk about it. They just wanted whatever. So I was like, okay,

So I'm trying to figure it out. And what's interesting is when I first started being like, Okay, I'm gonna try this for a year, I'll do this like foot thing, I actually started to see the beauty and I started to enjoy it. Like at first I was like, oh God, like whatever, but then all of a sudden, I was like I love this, Like okay, I get it now,

I understand. So it sucked for me that didn't work out that way, but it seems like the common ground in my life is like whenever something doesn't work for me, even if it seems like it should, I'm just not meant to do that. I'm just meant to put my energy somewhere else. So I abandoned the foot fetish world.

After dipping my toe in, there I go. There's the pun I was looking for one, but you beat me too with After dipping my toe in, I just realized that foot fetish modeling was just a heel in my life. So I'm sending it all together, she's on fire. Now, I'm with you, I understand, but I turned that page into I have another. You know, on like my Patreon

or my website, there's the different tiers. Well there's like a twenty dollars one, So I just turned that one into a twenty dollars one because sometimes people will be like, like, you know, I just want to be that member and I don't know, just giving options again once again. So that's why I have so many links. I think it's annoying myself. I'm the one posting on all of these platforms and it takes me a long time, but it's

my job. And the way I used to be like maybe I should just like consolidate to one, but I was like, you know, I tried that, and what ended up happening is Patreon was my main like I was making great money, like I was. I was so proud of what I built on Patreon, and then when I try to consolidate, I haven't yet. And it's been like almost two years. I haven't yet gained back that audience that I once had on there, and it sucks and I regret it so much. But but you're a hustler.

I've said it. I mean we I remember our conversation on the phone one day and you were like, you need to get on Patreon and I was like, no, I'm not going to do it, and you talked me into it, and you're like, you need to do you know who you are. I'm like, yeah, I know who I am the time. That's just has saled, you know. But Patreon's been a lot of fun for me now. Granted, our content is way different, like I it's just with

the web, not the website. It's just with our podcast, you know, and we do funny games and quizzes and drinking and stuff like that. But it's there's no pictures, no videos. I went a completely different route with it. But you are hustling. So it's not that it's annoying that you have all these things. It's just for a casual fan who wants to join something, they might not know which link to press and click, because like, what do you get if you choose this one or this one?

I know, like I said, I try so hard on my little landing plate page. Thank God for a link tree. I try to break it down as well as I can, But you know, I don't know we'll see what happens. Like I said, I'm like really scared to try to like consolidate everything because when I did, I just I still am not making the money I used to, and like, well,

you don't have to. You don't have to because once they click that link, it should be self explanatory what they're getting, you know what I mean, Like they're clicking. So I'm just as you know, as I'm looking, I'm just like, this girl's doing everything and I love it because you're just boom boom boom. There's so much content out there's Yeah, it's tiring, and that's what it's been weighing on me actually, Like for the last couple of months,

I'm like should I or shouldn't die? And then I always go back to how I still didn't get I mean, even if I got like most of that Patreon back, I'd be like, Okay, yeah, at least I got most of it back, so eventually, but it's like, man, it's been a couple of years and I still haven't been able to get those same people back, and it bums me out because I'm in a much better place mind, body, and soul now. So it's like I know, yeah, but you're picking up new members. I see you when you're saying,

somebody rebuilds or we got a new member. So you're doing great. I mean, don't sell yourself short. You're out there, you're hustling. I keep saying to myself, she's not getting enough rest, and I'm worried about her because there are certain times where I know you're not going to bed early, but you're up at like four thirty five o'clock your time.

That's when I wake up, I know, because she's always like, you can text me early, and I'm just like, well, we're three hours different, and she wakes up to freaking early, and I'm just like, she's not getting enough rest. It's the mother and me. I worry. You need to see about nine o'clock, like I would have been pretty early, like you know, ten o'clock talk, so you know, sneaking a nap in there. It's yeah, see that's the difference. You get to nap. I don't get to nap. I

never take naps. But I got really excited because when I saw that you were kind of not fully coming back to wrestling, but kind of starting a virtual experience. I said, what is it going to take for me to lure her back for a weekend, and I got a little bit excited. Well that's because I'm putting it together and it's at my home and I'm hoping people check out the site. It's all a big commercial for

Good Vibrations boutique. No no, no, But I'm saying, like when you worked for Chad and when you did the right like the real virtuals, you know what I mean, like the wrestling virtuals, and oh that's because it's Chad and I love Chad. I know I knew, but you know, I just here's the thing. I just maybe there was a time or two in my life where when I was like, oh I don't want to be involved in wrestling or whatever, and I was bitter. I'm not gonna say I wasn't, but I'm not bitter anymore. It just

is what it is. And I'm actually really grateful for like even all the crap I went through, you know, because now that I'm older and like life is played out, it like everything totally makes sense, even at the time when things didn't make sense, and like now it does. So I just really feel that going to a situation like a convention. I just don't think it's going to serve me well. And I just think that time of

my life is over and I think it's draining. And like when at the tail end, when I was doing it, it was really just because like that's what I did to make money. But then like I remember, I did this one signing and it just like the different people that I just kept letting things roll off my back and had grievances with it just built up and I got super super drunk. I told off multiple excuse me, I confronted. I confronted multiple people, and I don't want

to be confronted by drunk Shelley. Shelley, but not a drunk Shelley like I confronted. And you know what, I'm glad I did because I actually got to look some people and their pupil and tell them like what's up, and then hear their side of what they think or whatever. So it's fine. But just like being in that like I went into it like yeah, because the people who brought me in super nice, like they always want me to have a good time. They bring me wine, like

there's just so awesome. So I was all about it. But then like I just kept like brushing things off, brushing things off, and then before I knew it, there's this one person that should name nameless. I was like drunk, and I was like, please, just ask me, what's why I don't like you anymore? Please? I was begging for this person and they wouldn't because they were scared because they knew. And they're like, oh, Shelly, you want another shot with their handle shaky? And I was like this

little bit, ask me why I'm mad at you? Who it is? I know who it is, but I can't remember, so you need to tell me. You know. I guess what I'm saying is is even though I had a release, I just really saw what that environment kind of puts me through. And I don't want a chance that anymore. Like I don't want to be in that place anymore.

You don't want to get triggered? Yeah, you know, Like I've done so much healing, especially now that I can look at my wrestling career, especially on the crap I went through or people who hurt me, like I can, I have so much peace with it now. I'm so grateful to finally finally have that. Like I would hate to like get triggered and then like have to deal with because I just want that to It's fine. I

have new things going on in my life. There's future things to disappoint me, to make me have new trauma. I don't even get old anymore, so it's nothing against like I don't want to do rest. It's like, dude, that was a really bad night. And then the next day I didn't remember what happened like at the end of the night, and I don't like that. And then like I I heard rumors about things that I did, and like half people I did it, half people said I didn't, So I don't know. My ring light wasn't on.

I was like, I look really dark. Sorry about that. No, it's me being selfish wanting a weekend with my friends, and I said, we discussed this before. I'm just like, oh, I just want to hang out like with my friends. I want to all to be booked. I want us all to make money, and I want to sell the hang out because in wrestling, your friends don't live down the street from you. They live in different states and you never get to see them unless you're working together.

So you know, as much as I would love to plan a girl's weekend where I can fly to some you know on Charted Island and hang out. I have kids, I have responsibility, and I can't if it's not a payday, I just can't get up and go far, you know what I mean. So it's just a way for me to see you or other people, which is nice. You know, it's a paid way, absolutely, I get it. You WrestleMania is supposed to be here, and like, how what twenty three next year? I guess is it for that? Uh

wressel Kan? Yeah? Yeah, because this year it's in Dallas. So if I well, I don't know if you've heard, but this might be my last year because you know it's it's the fifty and Fabulous Tour because I'll be fifty next month. Whoa, and you know I might be hanging it up. So I'm not sure. But if I but if I pulitary funk and I come back, I will try to get to La. Just do that one, like, just just do that one. Oh okayause it brings you here.

You'll make the money. You'll make good money because they know that's the only time I'm only going so I can go to California. Then you go and everyone's like, oh my god, this is the last time to see Francine. Yeah, I have to promote it that way. Well, well we have some time to do that. But uh yeah, I that's just me being self wanting to see you. So I don't know. I just keep it in the back of your head. I can always get your books somewhere. Cheers to the new year and to making resolutions you

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and I would do it. Well, wait, we need to get that done because maybe maybe we can promote two thousand and six fake ec dub television, Me and you, any promoters out there when a Bookshelly and I. There there's a market for it, for sure, that's for it. I'm telling you. But it was a great year, and and it was it was such I think back on that, and there's fans who always put like you and I the graphics up from our little feud, the tiny little feud,

that it could have been so much more right. I remember you and I. They gave us a minute and a half maybe two at the most, right, And I remember you and I going over it right in front of Gorilla, and I remember Jr. Walking by and looking at us and good luck ladies, you know, and we just looked at each other like this is the shits, you know, like we knew how bad it was. They didn't let us do anything, and here was that here. Yeah,

I mean it could have. We could have did so much more and they just I don't know, it just could it could have been bigger than it was. So what's interesting is like, Okay, when we were living it, right, yeah, it was kind of like all you and I can do is just crack jokes and you know, make fun of ourselves for being so unover with them. But like it's so cool now. Is something I didn't realize when I was living in it was how awesome we really were. Like I always knew that, like our feud would have

been great. But when I see the footage and I'm like, oh my god, Like I was so busy living that moment now that I can kind of like detached from wrestling, I guess you'd say personally, I watch it and I'm like, dude, this was like amazing, like I and it's a newer realization that I've had. I know that might sound weird to like the fans out there, but like to me, it was always like when I perform, Okay, I go

and perform and I'm done. I'm not the type no offense that goes and watches myself back over to like whatever. I've never been that type and I'm not knocking it. There's a lot of people that can learn. I probably could have too my mistakes that were consistent or whatever, but I was kind of like, I did that, moving forward, what's the next match? What are we doing next? So I was so in that mode when all that stuff was going on, especially when you're on the road, because

it's like boom boom boom, boom, boom boom. Now that I can like appreciate it, it's like, holy cow, like we did a good job and when they gave us that tiny amount of time, like we really killed it. And there's some performers out there that are in wrestling that they couldn't pull that off, and I'm really proud that we were able to at least pull off with

a little bit that we did. Do you remember standing in the back with Undertaker and giving him the spot that we wanted to do with the table and asking him for advice. Do you remember that undertakers walking by? Shelley and I are in the back and we're like, wouldn't it be great if we, uh we climb? We were like fight. We think I think we were supposed to have each other by the hair because you and I came up with this spot in the back and

we're like, oh, there's Undertaker. Let's let's pitch it to him and see what he says, like like he gave a ship. But he was very nice, very nice. Uh We Seane and I had each other by the hair and we go into the corner and we climb the ropes right and there's a table and both of us wanted to crash through the table together and we pitched yes, and we pitched it the Undertaker and he was like, oh, I think that sounds great. I think you should tell somebody.

We're like, oh, well, we're telling you. And I don't know if we thought that he was gonna just help us, but he didn't. He just was like great, ladies, and he walked away. And then I think we might have told uh, I don't know, did we tell one of our agents or Johnny A's and they were like, you're not doing that. And we were like, pitch these things and nobody wants to hear it, nobody cares, nobody listens, and that was it. But Undertaker had a big smile,

so we thought we really died. I remember that, right. I was like, did I dream that or did we really pitch this to uh mister uh mister Undertaker? And he just was like yeah, and then he walked away. But how cool would that spot have been if we were able to do that on our TV. They didn't want us to. They didn't care to appease whatever money making market we had, Like they didn't really care. And it's domb because if they cared just a teensy bit,

we could have actually made them more money. You know. Oh, it blows my mind. I remember Mickey James coming over to me and catering, right, and she was just like, oh, I heard that you and Shelley are doing something on TV this week. Finally, because you know, I was there forever and they never used me, and I would just sit there and catering and eat the food and collect my check and uh, and she was like, oh, I can't wait to see what you guys do. And I said, well,

it's it's not a lot. They only gave us like two minutes. And I was sitting with her when she watched it, and her face was literally like this, and I was like, okay, you could say it's the shits, It's okay, like you know, and she was so unimpressed, but she knows as a worker it wasn't us. But she was like her expectations were like were like it just went down, and she just had this look of disgust on her face and I just looked at her like,

this is my life, not yours. You know. It's interesting because I feel most wrestlers in my career, when they see me in the ring make that face now when your badge is involved. It's so funny because now people life trained with people that I worked with on the indies, or people that been in shows of me and the indies, they see me go, so I don't need to explain

myself whatever. So cause people want to say I suck, I get it because when I was both Ariel and Selenas, they didn't give me an opportunity to showcase any resting really, So I don't blame people for that, but it's so crazy because people who have trained with me and then like like for example, in wwe like some of us train together and then we get on TV eventually together, they kind of like would have this like jobbing me out kind of vibe like like I'm not that good

and all this because I wasn't really doing anything. And it's like when a situation like that where we didn't have much we could even do, like we had that crowd, that crowd, we had them from the moment we came out to the moment we went back in, and that's what you do. It doesn't matter if you're doing a bunch of moves, it doesn't matter. What matters is connecting with the audience to make them feel like it's real.

And we made everyone in that arena feel like that was real, and we were really pissed at each other. We're really going at it. And so it's just funny to me that people want to be like, oh, show these shit and it's like, okay, you're that. Mickey said that just no, no, no, it was just disappointment in her face, like her face just went from a smile to just discuss and I could see her as clear as they and I'm just like, I hope she doesn't think it's my fault because you're only as good as

they want you to be. It's it's it's a proven fact. You can have all the talent in the world, but they can make you look like shit. Because I tell these I tell it to the fans all the time. You have to do what they tell you to do. I can't just walk out there and do fifty moves because I know how and get myself up. No, no, you have to listen to what the script calls for. And people can't understand that, and they blame the talent, but they should be blaming the writers, the producers, the

people who are in charge. It's not the talent's fault. And people don't seem to realize that. So you're not

the shits. Well, don't let them make you think that you are, because well, that's that's what I'm saying, is like these people my whole wrestling career, there's a group of people like in the business with us, you know, among us that they have this opinion of me like that, and I've never been one to be like try to prove them wrong, because then like when I'm in training with those same people, especially after they got a name for themselves, they're outside of the room, not doing drills

with everybody because they think they're too over, Whereas me, I did it because I had a show to do that weekend. I want to make sure my footwork's good. That's why I train. I train so that I don't mess up in my matches and I'm crisp and I can be more present in my characters instead of being like, oh, okay,

and then what. So it's funny to me that these people want to have this opinion and that's why I say that have trained with me so they know and like, because I don't go and try to prove myself, they like continue to like what. And it's so funny because it's like, I don't need to prove myself to anybody. First of all, I'm saving my body, so like whatever, Like, no, I've already done stupid stuff already with my body. I don't need it for you to be like, oh, Shelley

is good. I remember I had a match and it was a really awesome match and it was with a girl who in real life I had a very ugly falling out with, and later I found out that they booked that match because they thought I was gonna beat her up. So I was like, are you kidding me?

So it's already set up right well, her and I, she called me, owned up to everything, apologized, and we talked things out so we can have a good match and be civil Because prior to her screwing me over, I always thought I'd have an amazing match with her, so I always wanted to rescue her. So I thought it was really cool that I got that moment. And

then we had this awesome match. And one of the people that booked me when I came to the back, instead of him being like damn, that was awesome, like the crowd was like all about it, he was like mad. He goes, oh, I could tell you've been training. I'm like, yeah, you're good. That was really good. And I never heard

from that person ever again. It's so bizarre. It goes back to like I remember the first night that uh, I don't know where we were, but the first night that they put me with balls and we did the uh, the thing with with you and Kevin and we got all four of us were so over and Johnny Ace was so happy in the back. Do you remember that liked the arena? They were so loud. They were so loud throughout the whole thing. And it was the night

that I'm gonna tell this story. It was the night that I was driving with Al Snow and I had parfaits for Do you remember this? I got two parfays from McDonald Gotta remember the story. Two parfays from McDonald's. We did a drive through and I didn't want a burger and I didn't want chicken. I said, I'll be healthy.

I'll have two parfaes with a fruit parfe with like yogurt and granola and all this shit, right, And it was you and me and the boys out there, and I had I don't know if I was practicing the Luthez jump before TV or I did something. We did something together. But I was having bathroom problems because of all the granola and the yogurt. Do you remember this? And I'm like, Shelley, if I run away, you'll know why. It was a house show. It wasn't TV. And I

kept running to the back. We were in garrilla. I'm like, I'll be right back, ran to the bathroom, but we went out there. I finally I calmed my stomach down and we went out there. The place was so freaking loud, and I remember coming to the back and thinking, this is gonna be great because we won't have to do

the bikini bullshit anymore. We're gonna get to work. We're gonna get to work together, which we were comfortable with each other, and I thought there was gonna be this big, long program and Johnny pulled me to the side, told me how over we all were, this, that and the other, and then they completely share on us. And I don't understand why companies do this. I don't get it now.

I know Balls took drugs and ruined, ruined me and him, but I mean they could put me with someone else and they chose not to, So I mean it makes it made me think, am I that horrible a performer? Like? Did they not see something in me? That pause all in me? Like it's it's just it's a mind. It screws with your mind, it really doesn't. It makes you think that you're worthless, and that company is They're they're

known for it, and it's a shame. The thing is is, like, first of all, I was so distracted behind the scenes, like when people were like, oh, like how I was always tell people I was too busy. Unfortunately, this makes me my vomit chasing unavailable guys that I wanted to be my boyfriend. So but the thing is is I'm kind of glad that I'm a Stage five clinger like that because Stage five, like I think me being distracted with chasing these guys I wanted to be my boyfriend.

It kept me away from like the politics. I had no idea until like like towards the end. And then years after I left of like how like all these weird things that were going on behind the phone. Oh dude, I never politics. And I got in trouble for not politics and which which blows my mind. And then I was told rub oil on your chest and go knock on Vince McMahon's door and lean over with your boobs hanging out. One of the agents told me to do that.

Do you believe that? Ball, I go, I'm not doing that, And I didn't do it, and probably that's that's probably why I got released. Probably that's what that's what went on there. And that's the thing is like I was so in my own world that I only knew these things, like I said towards the end, because I'll never have name names so people don't come for me. But people have confided in me the things that they've done, and

they didn't feel good about it. And I don't know if it was because I was kind of like after you left, I kind of just kind of stayed to myself. You know. I was friendly like to everybody, but like stayed to myself. So I think that some people kind of noticed I didn't get involved in drama and stuff, so they confided in me, and I was like, wait,

what what this is going on? So my whole thing is I'm dying to know what was said about me behind the scenes, like when you're like sitting at the table or on the phone call and they're like we're going to fire that area, like what was said? Like I think it's so like I want to know, not because it's like them, I think I would be. I think it's funny, like does Vince McMahon think I'm a dumb bitch? Like like I want hair? And then as time goes on, it's funny because then I'll find out.

I'll talk to somebody and they'll be like, well, you know, this is what happened, and I'm like, oh, now it makes sense. And it's so funny because there's people I've confronted like hey, I know you have an issue with me. No no, no, no, And then life will go on and then people will fill in the blanks and I'm like, oh my god, I think it's hilarious. So hey, anyone watching out there, you want to anonymously write me to

tell me what was said. Please. There was some guy I can't remember who it bothers me I worked on the indie show, and he said that he was there the day that me and Batista got into it, and like he filled in some blanks. And this wasn't until like in the last like five years, two years or

so that I found this out. So when he filled in some like blanks, I was like, oh my gosh, because to me, it was just like, Okay, this happened, and then this happened in this and then like I performed and then I came back and then whatever, and I got fired. So to hear like what happened in the guy's locker room and what was being said. I was like, ah, yeah, like being a fly on the wall, right, funny.

It's just unfortunate there there. I always say, there was so much talent that has been misused that has walked through that door, and it's just it's not the talent at all, you know. And I ask you guys a question. Yeah, I'm sorry interrupt. Do you think it's still like that today or do you think it's evolved at all? Nope, I think it's exactly the same same thing. I kind of also think it's who you know, and and I still stand by you know, homegrown talent gets a better

shot than somebody you know, I can. And I hate using this term superstar because I don't think of myself as a superstar at all, but being a superstar in air quotes in another company and then going there, and I tried to be as humble as I possibly. I mean, I was in catering, getting the girl's stuff from catering that were in the business for five years, and at that point I was in the business for thirteen years. I had more seniority than any other girl in that

locker room. And I'm like, oh, would you like a cookie? I'm gonna go to catering. Would you like a bottle of wa? Just trying to fit in because I don't know these people, and I'm trying to make friends, especially because you know you had the wrong and SmackDown rosters with us at the time, you know, And so I'm just trying to be friends with all these girls. And I think I came in with zero ego and I was still treated like like one guy told me, oh, you should try and join the Diva Search. I said,

the Diva sarch Are you kidding me right now? Like what, well, you know they like the Diva Search. Girl, I'm like, I'm so First of all, I'm thirty four years old. I'm not going to join the friggin Diva Search. Like. It just pissed me. I was pissed. I was. I wasn't bitter, but I was just mad that I was stuck in a bikini, which I didn't do in my twenties. Now I'm in my mid thirties and they have us running around in bikinis, rolling all over the matt like idiots,

you know what I mean. It was the same thing every single weekend, and I just I hated going. I

hate it. The only reason why I liked it was to see like you and to hang out with the girls, because we were starting to get like a little chummy except for one that we show, you know, we were starting to hang out and have a good time and and it just it's just a they screwed your mind and it made me sick to come to work sometimes when I got that phone call and was like, oh, you're not need it this weekend, Like Howard would be scared to call me and he's like for eight scene.

I'm like, please tell me I'm staying home this weekend and he's like, are you okay with that? I'm like, absolutely, just send me my check on Monday, because it was dreaming. It was draining getting on that airplane and doing four days and not being not being appreciated and not being used, you know, Like I remember Ted Dbassi walking in, Well you're not working tonight, but I'm sure you don't care. And I'm just like, ew, like, what kind of attitude is not to get How do you know you don't

even know me? I would just stand that guy. By the way, I just didn't throw that out there, But anyway, he wasn't very nice. I mean, I hate to say he wasn't nice to me. And I never did anything to him, but the stuff he would say to me, And I'm just like, really, sir, how do you know? I don't care, you know, as an asshole. I don't care he's an asshole. I don't like him. I'm just like, okay, you know, just not not being given a fair shot today. I feel like, and even back then, I feel like

it's who you know. If you're chummy, if you have an inn, if you have a previous relationship with someone, if you're a spouse. I think it's a lot easier to get a spot than if you are a name from somewhere else and you're established. And you know, I was lucky because they didn't change my name because it's my birth name, so I got to use my name that I was known for. But they could have gave me a shit. I could have been Gertrude for all

I know and walked out. I mean, who cares. I just all I wanted to do was work, and they didn't let me. And I just feel like you and I could have had something really magical together and they just didn't let us do it. So it was just a missed opportunity. We'll never know. I think that's like when people like throughout the years have asked me, you know,

a different interview or just conversations. What it boils down to for me is once I started to see how some people were getting ahead and it was on more on the shady side or whatever. To me, the way I looked at it was that's not my business. These are grown adults making their own choices. If that's what you choose to do, that's your deal. I'll look this way. And what annoyed me was I wasn't being someone that's

trying to ruffle feathers. I wasn't somebody that was trying to start problems or trying to be a do gooder. I just kind of kept to myself, did my thing, and when I saw these things going down, I didn't even judge these people. It was just like, okay, that's how it is, all right, Or maybe somebody kind of rubbed me wrong and I found out like they're not maybe the best person. I would be like, okay, now that makes sense, cool whatever, Like I can move on

from that. So I felt like it was almost like I got punished for not rolling going with the flow. Yeah, and he's like, at least I didn't make any troubles, like you you respectful, You just And the thing is is like when you say, oh, you ask these girls what they want, it's called just being a nice person. It's called being a thoughtful person, like who cares, like you know, And so it's like I kind of feel

I'm right there with you. Was like I could have made I could have been difficult, like these other girls are very difficult and drama. But but like I'm getting the job done. And the thing is, I made a tweet not too long ago, and I said something to the effect about how wwe never gave me any direction with my character. I just did it, and they saw I was doing a good job and let me go

with it. And then I said, and it's something to the effect to wrestlers that remember, like you create, you know, bring life to your characters, not a company you And my whole point was when people get down in the dumps about getting fired, I feel like I've already gone through that process. So like I'm like many years like of going through all the feelings and emotions, and I didn't really see, especially because the Internet wasn't what it

was is today. When I fed, there was no one out there talking that I could relate to because it was either people were totally trashing like WWE, or they're praising them. So it's like I didn't feel like anyone was like, man, this really sucks, Like I used to like disappointments whatever. So I try to like do that for the generation now. That's like my little do good or deed for wrestling paying forward is I wish I could have come across some video or a pose that

someone that gets it. And it's so crazy because a lot of people were like, oh, well, not everyone gets that creative, and like that's not the point. The point is is that whether it's you and your creation before wwan was an ECW or how I came into my own as Aeriel and learned how to be in front of the audience like that, it's like we created these characters and brought them to life, and it sucks that there's a lot of versions of us that like didn't

get that chance for whatever reason. But I think people need to remind themselves out there, especially the wrestlers of today. It's like you're still you, you you could still you're still that character. Like they just don't pay you anymore and

that sucks you're not making that money. But like it makes me sad to see people literally like put all their self worth and if they're with specifically WWE or not, and it's like, oh guy, I know, and it's not my business, but it just breaks my heart because we're all going to get old and one day you can't do wrestling anymore, you know, you know, see like they can't do wrestling anymore, and they're gonna sit there and be like, because WWE never hired me, I'm a failure

and it's like so not true. It's yeah, And I always say when I got well, I said it after because it's like you said, the Internet wasn't what it was when we were there. But I always say, like, it's not the end of the world when you get released by WWE, or if you never get to work for WWE. You become a wrestler because you're a fan. I always say, we're all marks, right, We're all marks.

That's why we got into the business because we love the sport, we love the business, we love performing, and just because somebody did not see the potential that you have does not mean that you're not a good performer. I thrived inn E CW. I was the drizzling shits in WWE. It's not my fault. I did exactly what I was told to do, and I was held down by the man spot to speak. You know. I went in Johnny Ace's office and cried my eyes out and pitched and pitched and pitched. You can only pitch for

so long, you know. And like you said, I had my integrity. I wasn't going to rub oil on my boobs and lower myself and go in there and you know, try to be like a sex object behind closed doors when it's not on camera. I had a hard enough time being sexy on camera, let alone trying to do it in real life to a man that I don't even know, that's you know, forty years older than me, married or whatever he is married, And that's not my gig.

That wasn't I don't politic, I never had to, so for them to be mad at me for not politicking, I got in trouble for staying in the locker room too long. Yeah, you disappear, you stay in the locker room. You're reading a book, I said, while I'm staying out of people's way. Well, that's like watching paint dry, That's what I was told. I said, Well, what would you like me to do? What am I supposed to do? Do you want me to cause a problem? Start? Do you want me to mix it up with these you know,

form a gang? Like do you what do you want me to do? Here? I had no idea what they wanted me to do behind the scenes, because I never had to do it before. You know, it was just like, oh, you can work, okay, here, try this, get yourself over. I did it worked. I worked for seven years before we went bankrupt. You know. Then I go to this other company, I try and work and they don't let me, and it's like I'm done, you know. And it does leave a bitter taste in your mouth. But I knew

it wasn't me, you know. Just because he didn't see something in me doesn't mean I'm worthless. And and these other performers need to realize that's not the holy grail. You know. For some people it is their lifelong dream, but especially nowadays, they're so many other companies to work for and to thrive and if you never get on TV and you're doing indies and you're loving life, then that's all that matters. That's all that matters. Like and

that's the thing. Like the people who I feel are the most cutthroat that I've met, and through wrestling, I realize those aren't the kind of people I like to keep company with anything because they're taking it to I feel. I connect with people in the business that, Okay, maybe they can get distracted with WWE here and there, but

they do it because they love this business. They do it because they want to be in that ring, and they love the feeling it is to connect with that audience and to tell that damn story, and it's just it's an amazing feeling, you know, It's an amazing, undescribable feeling,

especially when you got that audience right. So to me, these people who are like the butt heads I call them, they're like so driven by ego that they've like lost sight of and then that's where you see them get so down in the dumps when they get fired, and it's like, first of all, you know you're gonna try to go back, and you probably will, so like why are you crying about it and like s it's a bad example, and I feel like it makes people of the younger generations feel like, oh see, I have to

because of Da Da And it's like, man, there's so many amazing companies. That's what I discovered my second time going back to the indies because I grew up in California and at that time, there wasn't much wrestling going on over here, like there was just a very It was hard. It was like, I mean, I had to get cast in an independent film about wrestling to find out how to be a wrestler, Like it just wasn't common knowledge like how it is in other parts of

the country. So nowadays, more than ever, it's like, you know these amazing companies, Like I remember there's this company. Now I don't like the guy that runs it, I'll say that, But beyond wrestling, I remember when I went there, I was like, Wow, this is amazing being chills right now. I didn't really do much there. I was like a valet, but I felt it and I was like, this is

why I love wrestling, and I needed that. And then there's a company, Hodslam that I worked with for a while and it's like they made me like I felt like Beyond was kind of like the East Coast version of Hudslam a little bit, and I just got to be around these performers that just wanted to connect. So it's like, it makes me sad when people just think like they're all their worth is just like gone because

they're not there. Or when I was in TNA, there'd be people that were killing it in TNA with their character, like killing it, but they still behind the scenes when I talked to them, they wanted that WWE it wasn't good enough, and it's like, look what you have right now. This is awesome, Like you have this. You might not have that there, you might not be able to do

this there. But it's like my opinion, it's like this brainwash of you're not worth anything unless you're here, and I write that right, and that's why I try to just tell them that, don't let them make you feel that way, you know, Because Yeah, I was sad when when I got released, because I think I was more sad because I didn't know what my next step was going to be at that point, not so much I'm gone from the company, because I really wasn't happy there. Anyway.

But I've said it time and time again. If I did not take that job, there, you and I wouldn't be as close as we are now. So that's the one good thing that I got out of it. So happy about that. But tell everyone where they can find you and how they can join your eighty seven projects that you're doing. Eighty eight Now there you go, coming up. Yes, so if you just go to Shelley'slinks dot com, everything

is listed there. But if you are interested in joining my exclusive fan club, then you can go to Shelley Secret Society dot com and then it's all laid out there a little bit better. You have to keep clicking through Shelley's Links, but yeah, everything's there. And go to Good Vibrations boutique dot com. There's gonna be you can get the vampire girl or guy shirt. Got lots of other awesome things on their cool products coming soon. And oh and follow me on Instagram. My Instagram's coming back

slowly but surely. Uh. Long story short, Instagram deleted me without any questions asked, and I have like thirty four thousand followers. And for someone that hadn't been on TV for so long, I was proud that, like I put my time in and so it's like with like when I work with other companies and things like that. It just helps me people with my little side gigs. What's your hand? What's your new handle on? Because I follow

you on Instagram? What's your new handle? Shelley from Cali for the number four that's my part number because they destroy Shelley from CALLI just followed. Look at that. You got another You gotta do one? Are for the shirt for Eyes of Peer listeners. Hell yeah, if you guys, Francine, when you go to Good Vibrations boutique on anything, not just the shirts, but anything, you will save off your order. Listen to that. People get on over there and support

my girl. It was a pleasure. Say cheese. I'll tweet that out. So say cheese. We'll do a big smile. I'll use this picture, get my boobs in here, say big cheese. Cheese geez, I'd love to tweet that out. Love speaking with you and your points of view on things and mentioning your vagina once again. I always have to mention your vagina once per episode. Very disappointed, absolutely because I know you thought of me when you screamed

it out to thank you for that. We will we will FaceTime soon to uh you know, pull each other in on private stuff. But until until we meet again, We'll have a wonderful weekend and we will talk very soon. All right, A bye baby, she's said. Cute, all right. She's always one to uh bring the heat if you will, she is, yeah, absolutely so, Uh that's Shelley Martinez. Always a good time and always love. She's great and you know, uh go get your shirt so cute. Look how cute?

And green's my favorite color too. So I love this shirt and it fits nice. It doesn't fit like a big bolt. I think. I think this is a girl's size, of women's size, and it fits. It hugs the curves and it's cute. I like it. So I gotta get a vampire boy or whatever. She said. It was no, it's I think it's vampire girl. But she said the vampire girl vampire guy. I think that. Okay, Well then there you go. Yeah, why would you wear well that would be a little awkward, but it was it was

a picture of Shelley on it. Then I can understand, but it was what was it? It was code for scene Frans scene. Okay, Shelley's what was it the boutique? What was the exact name? Ship? All right, we heard it. I just want to make sure we get it out. Yeah, and we'll tweet it. We'll try and tweet something out about it too. And the when we when we promote her, we'll tweet the code. Right, we'll find it. I'm gonna send you the picture. You tweet out that picture and

drop the code. You'll have a bigger reach than me. Well, yeah, we'll go. We'll do it when the episode drops. Sure, sounds you can, you can set that up. But anything else that we didn't get to discuss is everything. Everything's okay, none, everything's great. Snow, what are we doing on Patreon this week? Well, funny you should ask. We are going to do a on the on the spot prepared thank Goodness, rock and

roll quiz with our buddy CJ. Okay, the CJ's a member of our Patreon page, has been since the launch. I believe, so an O G member, and we're going to see who's smarter in the field of rock and roll. That's right, and I'll tell you what too. Another thing is about joining the Patreon is you get the chance to come on like CJ. But CJ was in Discord with you, which is another perk of Patreon, and that's

how that appearance came about. Yeah, Discord is is uh is a fun a fun time every week where we discuss things that uh no one else gets to see because they're not in the in the Discord group. So come on over and join the Patreon family and you get to have take fun quizzes. And we need to do a drinking game. Yes we do. We should do that when you come back from Florida, when I come back,

good Lord, come back. Yeah, well we got because we have to do a lot of we can't if we record a lot in one setting, we can't have the drinking game. It's true, we have we have a we have a busy couple of weeks ahead of us. So what else we got that We're going to do some hilarious stories involving wrestlers. So you ask yourself what kind of hilarious stories? Well, I mean hilarious might be subjective. There's just like interesting stories that find themselves with a

wrestling component. So such and such happened to said wrestler, and we'll talk about it. Okay, you don't see that happening, do you? And then the watch along Pitbull number two versus the Pittsburgh Street Team. No, this Pittsburgh Steel Team. Steel Team. I meant to say it's should be maybe it's a Steel Team. I keep saying street Team. It's well, it says steel on the copy and pasted. You can tell me either way. And I don't remember the segments. That's awesome. But we threw in a bonus too, so

I won't say what that was. But there was an additional clip that we watched that we commented on as well. Yeah, and that's backs are fun. Like I said, I didn't remember this at all, and I still didn't remember we watched it. But it's a good time. Yeah, it's great. That's Patreon dot com Slash Francine podcast. And for the Creative Control new segment that we have called flashback. We're either calling it franccenes Flashback or Eyes up Here Flashback.

It's like it kind of goes hand in hand. We can we can alternate what the title is going to be. We are going to take a peek into one of your favorites, the Instagram dms E. That's a good one. This is Instagram. Yeah, it's been a lot of time. This is Instagram DMS number two that we're doing. Okay, that is going to be on creative control a little bit later in the week, so you get a kind of like a fresh intro from Francine and I and then some classic content. But we will have a new

episode of the flashback format coming to Awesome. And for me, it's at chat em b on Twitter, at IB Exclusives on Instagram, website, ibexclusives dot com. All my signing's going on there h new podcast alert. Oh no, not another one. Deceiving. It's gonna be at the same the same time schedule as my New Generation show, just once a month. I'm gonna not do that show. I'm gonna do something different. I'm gonna look back and this is so dorky and this is so nerdy, but this is the only thing

that keeps me fresh as a fan. I'm going to go back and watch well discuss WWF's Colisey and video releases. That's what made me a fan. With the tapes you would go rent in the video store. So it's gonna be a look at the tapes, the business behind it people who are involved with it collectors. But that's gonna be one time a month on my regular feed that I have new generation declassified and I believe we have

all of those on our Yes. No, it's very yes to help you there content wise, I mean I only have like five VHS physical tapes, but still I'm also going on somewhat of like a recollecting journey. So there's a there's a market for this discussion, and uh, I am one to exploit the market. And you don't have to justify why you do something. If you enjoy it it then by all means you do it, so you're ready. Good for you. It's either gonna be called the Colosseum

Cast or Colosseum Chad. I just haven't figured it out. Colum Chad. Yeah, I just like the name of it. I don't know why I thought that was funny. Well by my initial reaction, what was the first one? Colosseum cast? Okay, thank something else? Okay, If you want to follow me on social media, I can be found at ecw dver Francine. Twitter is my favorite platform to you, So give me a follow on that and uh, with that, that is if