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Eyes up Here. I think it's from my window. It's annoying. It's like a light. Uh what's it called? Uh? Lightsaber? Oh, lightsaber. I thought you were trying to do like a dance move like. Oh yeah, it's freaking annoying me. Look it's on my face. Oh I hate it. How are you I'm doing? Okay? Yeah good, I'm good. How about how

about y'all? We're good. You know. Only thing I did this week substantial was start at Christmas shopping okay, because there's a rumor going around that packages might be delayed by eight months, So I said, let me get my credit card ready and let's go. Does that scare you though? Yeah? Yeah, it should, doesn't it scare you? I don't know, because

I mean I listen to what they're saying. Obviously, you know I read what they're saying too, but taking everything with a grand cat, yeah, Like, I mean, the one thing I heard what there was a guy I saw on the news the other day. He was from a toy manufacturer distributor who said it's a little bit they're making it sound worse and that you'll get stuff. It's just not going to be cheap. It's not going to be on sale this year. It's going to be at

full price. Oh. So that's where I've been like, all right, the demand is going to be from people like what you're saying, running to go get it right now, and being like, shit, I can't get that Barbie's dream House, you know, November tenth for eighty nine ninety nine. I've got to get it on October thirty first for one twenty nine ninety nine. So is there no Black Friday deals this year? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I've been picking my kid's brains like

what do you want? What do you want? And then I when they tell me, I put it in my cart On Amazon, and then I just yesterday I just said, you know what, I'm going to bite the bullet. I'm going to buy this stuff because it's all in there, and it was like twenty things and I just did. And now I got seventeen packages upstairs because it was over night prime, and uh, I have to hide everything. And you know, because my son still believes in Santa Claus, well,

I can sympathize. We're not going to we're not going to tell him yet, but uh, the girl, she knows the girls, the girl's hip to everything, but the boy, no, no clue. I can sympathize because I do as well. So you know, I believe in the I didn't just save a sweatshirt that I saw, you know, for scent of Liz and a clause brings that there you go. Yeah, but uh yeah, so that's what I did. I started my Christmas shopping and I saw something. Are we are we going to go into our guest because I can

save this for afternoon? Yes, please save it. Let me get the link over to him. Let's do that. Because I have a question when when we're done, before we we say goodbye, I have a question that I would like to ask you about Christmas and Christmas decorations. I'm gonna write it down because I'm sure you'll forget, absolutely forget. I have a sharpie and a piece of paper because all my other stuff is packed away. Sure I have never left in my printer. Okay, yeah, write that down

and and we'll talk about it. Because I have a topic that I'd like to discuss without getting too political. But I would love to get political. Let's do it. Well, you know we can't. We can't do that on here. But I just want to get some thoughts and I would like to get political. Like I'm in the wrestling business. Political politics and wrestling are just not good. Not good. Why I'm so great? I'm better than this guy? Right? Why are I getting to push? Now? Do you need

any coffee or anything? Because I'd love to get it for you? And have I told you how great you look today? Well, yeah, you know it happens. But I saw a clip of Jim Cornett and somebody asked him, who do you think the biggest ass kisser is in the history of wrestling? Oh, they were talking about people who were yes men to Vince mick Man. What did he answer? He said Kevin Done, Oh yeah, without a shadow of doubt, and Bruce Pritchard he threw it, Oh,

now this is Kevin Done. Still work there, Yeah, Kevin Done, Rector of Television Operations, the Voice of God, as I was told he was the Voice of God. Yeah, that's what they said in the production studio. Voice of God. Unbelievable. I don't know. My God doesn't sound like Kevin Dunn. So oh, I wasn't. I wasn't saying that I'm doing the Jim Cornette impression of him. That's terrible, very funny though.

He said, uh, you know, like there are times where he said, people relate a story to him about how bad he wants to be accepted by Vince. So he said that they were on the plane once and he was trying to, you know, get Vince's attention. He was trying to get him to respond to what he was saying, and he said, uh, talking about a female performer that she's good, but she needs tits right, because he thought that would pop Vince. It's like he's like, you're trying

way too hard, buddy, Like we get it. Vince is as an alpha male and you want it. You want to appeal to his manly side. This is how the males act about female talent. So terrible though, like that's that sucks, Like what the hell? And then but he's been a teflon and untouchable for thirty five forty yeah, gotta be close to forty. I think he got there like nineteen eighty seven or something. I don't ever remember meeting him, So I'll send you the picture of Kevin

Duncie what he looks like. You probably saw him backstage, Okay, I probably did through the Bucky Beaver. Again, that's just Jim Cornette's impression. I'm just doing Jim Cornette not nice. Oh my god, I don't get along. Hey, did you hear Tony Kahan suffered a rib injury on a e W in a dark laughing? This is Dasha who just pointing out a story because I saw Vince McManus trending and I can't imagine why, but I will say, as we wait for our guests to pop up, dis feud

between them is kind of heating up? Is it a real few? Is it? Well? I think Tony Cohn's being very like boisterous now and not like reserved Tony Kahan he was saying Ross sucked the other night. You know, he's like, it's starting to teeter totter into Eric Bischoff nineteen nineties territory. Now, is Vince McMahon responding, of course, not well, then guess who's winning, man, Vince McMahon, Because you don't acknowledge number two when you're number one. Never.

That's why I don't get all these Twitter feuds, these crazy back and forth with these people. I know most of it's a work, but when it becomes a shoot, it's just like, dude, same thing with talent. When you get a hater and they retweet the hate and the you know, everybody attacks this one guy who has eight followers and blah blah blah, why even retweet it? Like you can comment, but why why why retweet it and

give him the floor? Like get out of here? Or what about when the person who's getting ripped on acknowledges that they're getting ripped on, but like trying to play along with the joke, like is trying to make it like it doesn't bother them. No, that happens too. I don't know. I just think that if you have nothing nice to say, just get off Twitter. Instagram seems different to me. Instagram is like all pictures and can't really

get it. On Instagram really get too much. All I see is you can reply like and double tap the message. When you reply, you can reply something hateful. I don't think I've really seen much hate on Instagram. On Instagram, I don't use Instagram that often because I'm not a selfie girl. I don't like taking pictures of myself. So what am I going to put up? I will say, people on Twitter, or excuse me, people on Instagram buy

more than people on Twitter. Do that. Yes, I only have two hundred and fifty something followers on Instagram, and I have more sales from Instagram than I do in my entire duration of Twitter. I don't like Instagram because you can't put links up. It's very hard. I don't very hard. Just put a link and click it. Like Twitter. Put a link, click it, put put wherever you want. It's great for marketing, but Instagram, I can't stand it. And everybody on Twitter is cheap. Everybody on Instagram is

ready to spend oh gosh. So there's a tip for anyone who's trying to make a couple extra buck skis out there. Well, that is me Insta girl. I can't I can't use I can't do links and stuff. And I put and then oh hell do you bully this? Well and copy and paste to put it in your the U r L and put it up there and then it'll take you to this. It's hard to copy and paste on there too. Well, then type it out Here we go. Our guest is ready to join. You'd

like do your intro? Elijah Burke, come on down, because now I'm mad Instagram. Come on my friends, Elijah, Hi, honey, hey see what is going on? Are you giving me love eyes already? Who got you out? Over that? Girl? It's just me. It's people being cheap on social media. We got me high. Yeah, we were talking about Instagram and people being cheap and not buying stuff and not being able to post links. Yeah, everybody wants stuff free these days. I know it. I know it. But it's

lovely to see you, by the way. Yeah, I just wanted to apologize. You know, we got the ten minute ruler rest Freddy got Well, it's it's it's eleven minutes for you, so you you will get the little slap on the wrist when I see you next time I saw my man twice. Last I saw you. What you got your coffee? And that's what happened. You got me scared with your message from Twitter, and so I was like, let me get everything together. And I tried to make sure how my cup of coffee, and I spilled it

because I was Russian. Are you kidding? You spilled your dunkin Donuts with the lid, not the duncans. I'm all now, So I spilled my other coffee that I made because I can drink coffee all day. May I just say, your skin looks amazing. I thought I was looking kind of tan. And now with him on the screen, I look at Palace Casper. I'm really I'm really angry. Oh gosh. I saw you a couple of weeks ago and Fort Wayne, which was a delight. What did you think of that?

That crowd? It was different. It's Indiana, you know, it's Fort Wayne, Indianapolis. It's Fort Wayne, which is like this big, a little very forgotten part of uh, you know, Indianapolis House. So it was great. It's always great just because you get the uh. The crowd was interesting, but certainly having all of you guys there. And you know, anytime I see you, I just freaking lose it. So I have why is that that? Does it go back to our

first encounter? No, it goes not not not not w W E c W, No, it goes it goes back to the Sunshine Network. And and Chad just let me first allow Hope to say what up? Because Franny. You know, when me and Franny get in the run, it can be it can be one hundred people, it could be thirty of the boys. Nothing matters at that point in time. It's just like, I'm not even here. I just not. I'll laugh, I'll throw it a quip here and there, Paul, I see is the puslic I'm not here, I see.

But uh, it goes back to the school Shine Network. Like I told you originally during w W E c W you know, I was, I was. I was man that I was in high school and maybe a little beyond or before that, and I'm watching you and I gotta say you upside down was always my favorite position. Uh, the power driver Tommy. Yeah, so so you know that

is the memory. One of the memories that always stays in my head is him putting you up for the power Driver, but then just the queen of extreme, you know, coming through that curtain and through the interest way, and and when you're in there, you just got there's something that was always so innocent. There's nothing like a bad girl that comes across innocent. You know what I'm saying. I am dude. Yeah, So she had that whole innocent girl vibe even though she was presented and and played

this vicious, you know, extreme queen that she was. And I just always dug it. I always dug her. I don't know. We just watched the clip of her jumping over a table onto Paul Hayman. So that wasn't very reserved. And and and the one thing that I teach when I'm doing some holding seminars and teaching now and the fighting evolutionaryst in Miami, Florida, I wish we had that type of realism. I should say, uh today with the women,

I don't. And this is a credit to you and and uh Beulah McGillicuddy and and all the you know, the other mainstays that was there when I saw you guys go at it. Paul Hayman being such an evil genius that he is in his own way, he knew how to present a cat fight. I don't want to see women try to be men and a wrestling ring. I don't want to see It's okay. I understand when there's new day and age, women are athletic, they can

do this. That great, But when I want there's nowhere in the world when you are on the street and popes from the streets. Okay, when when when women go at it, there's hair pulling, there's hair tugging, like there's a real fight. And you guys presented that at times with the sex appeal as well. And I remember in my backyard. I remember in my backyard of my home, my mom's home, dad's home, there was a cat fight going on. We were in the one to watch it. You know, the the g strings are all out who

they are fall falling out. No, there was fighting over another dude, but it was in my backyard. Well, I thank you for the compliments. We're not here to talk about me. I want to talk about you. And so you mentioned Paul. I'm jumping ahead a little bit because you've been wrestling before two thousand and six, But what was your relationship like with Paul in the fake. Did you get to work with him a lot? There? I did work with Paul. Uh fake e W. It was

the fake e c W. I can't. Yeah, we just called it w W E c W. That's that's our you know, that's what your originals call it. The fake. Ere you go, I'm sorry, no disrespect to anyone, but it was. Yeah, So I worked with Paul. Paul Paul is was and will probably always be a genius. And and by genius it doesn't necessarily from my take on Paul, it doesn't necessarily mean that all of his ideas are just money and great. No, no, no, genius means the worker in him Paul, and you probably got more of

it than I. But Paul is a freaking word. Paul can talk the flesh off of a skeleton. Paul Hayman, you know, Paul Hayman can convince you that there's life after death, and he can convince you of having the hell, and then he'll convince you that hell's the better place to go to. We always say, he will tell you the sky is green and the grass is blue, and you'd be like, yes it is, because that's he just

has that gift to Gaby people. People always told us that we were like zombies we did whatever, like puppets. They called us puppets were He was the puppet master and we were his puppets and stuff. But it was we believed in our products so much that we wanted to believe that what he said was gospel. Right. It wasn't that. Oh we drank the kool aid. I hate that rushing, but that's that's another thing that was always

out there. You guys were so stupid because we weren't getting paid at the time, you know, but we were just so hopeful that something would click and that the company would be saved and whatever Paul told us was going to come true, which it didn't. But you know, we were his soldiers. So that was the bond. That was the you know, you guys were the outcast quote

unquote promotion. Even from a fan watching like myself. You know, you guys were the little edge, and that could every time I thought about E. C W. I thought about that Christmas story, uh, with the Christmas Mischief, misfit toys, the Island of the Misfit Toys. That's what we called ourselves that and that's how that's how I envisioned h and it took somebody like Paul, you know, to make it work as far as pushing and encouraging you guys and motivating you guys. He he tried to bring that

same aspect to WW E c W as well. Surely problem. Uh it wasn't this show true and problem? You know? So so so there were times when Paul can get you by yourself and motivate you. I remember when they sent him down to ob W and and and and you know when they took him. I want Paul on W, you know. So they sent him down to obi W Devins and I and I was working with him there before I got you know, uh, when they sent him

down demoting him for SmackDown. So I worked with him in ob W before he went back up to e c W. And I remember Paul coming in and he's like, just I want you to go out there and and and just preach. Just there there are your congregation, there are your people, Go talk to them, Go be you and and and that's all, you know, the hands down pat Yeah. Yeah, So he's a great motivator. Yeah, he really is. He really is. So you were digging E c W as a kid, did you always know you

wanted to be a wrestler? Like from Oh gosh, now you talk about E c W. I'm digging you, guys, because even when I went into law enforcement, uh I straight out of high school. I went there. I was an officer for ten excuse for five years. So yeah, and so when I came home here in Jacksonville, I come home, it's you know, midnight. I may have had my raw or you know, night showed me. I've had that recorded on the VCR, and by the time I get done with my shower and stuff, I may have

fast forward and watched what I wanted to watch. Guess what's coming on at one or two am in the morning on the sub we had the worst time slots. It was great. I stayed up to watch it. You guys are coming on on the Sunshine Network at freaking one and two o'clock in the morning. Yeah, right out anyway, So okay, let me sit here and watch it. N w A man. And that's that's the other flip side. I grew up watching loving n w A and and here I am. N n w A had the opportunity.

Dusty Dusty was my guy. Okay, everybody knows Dusty Rose. Yes, everybody knows his influence on me. I got a chance to work with him hands on in WWE. Yes. I remember when I walked in there with my suitcase and here comes the dream walking down, you know, through the corridor, and I just freeze. I'm right by catering. I freeze. It comes to dream. I'm like, Okay, what am I going to do? What am I going to say? How do I react? How do I respond? So as he got near me, I go, uh hey, dream, Elijah Burke,

Nice to meet you. He goes, put that hand out the way. Boy, I know all about you. I love that you and now we're gonna make a lot of money together. And yeah, so to watch this guy, to be influenced by this guy. You know, we didn't have any black heroes at that time in wrestling, have any black world champions. Dusty Rose was the closest to a black world champion that a black guy had because of Sapphire is Rap. He had it, he had it down.

Yeah when he said when he's when he said your hand reach out right now, your hand talked, Yeah, you're missing a point. Though Dusty was like a Southern Baptist. Yes, and you've been from up where you are, you probably wouldn't get that, you know, it probably wouldn't resonate with you the way that it does with us down here, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, So Dusty had that, and not just that he was charismatic. Dusty was influenced by Muhammad Ali as well, you know what I'm saying.

So he he took a lot of Muhammad Ali's rap and applied it to his game. Okay, I see where you're coming from. I'm too sweet, baby power. Yes, yes, you took all that stuff from Mhammad Ali. Yeah. So we resonated with dust Rose the American dream, the common man. We resonated with the fact, you know that he the whether you're black, whether you're white, you know, big or small, We we got it. And Dusty just had that connection, not just with one race, but with everybody. Everybody, brought

everybody together. That's why he's so. Yeah. Absolutely, And he taught me the figure four because I had to do it too. Uh. We worked a program with him, and uh it was I think it was me Dreamer, somebody else I can't remember, Oh, maybe Terry funk I. I don't remember, and it was, uh no, it was me, it was and Dusty, but then it was Korea. Yeah, no, I'm sorry. It was weird. I was babycase so was. There are three of us against Krino, Jack Victory and

somebody else. But we all did the figure fours in the ring and I had to give it to Steve Carrino. So before the show, Dusty took me in there let me do it to him a couple of times. Yeah, and he was cute. He says, honey, you do it better than I do. And I was like, I don't think so, but thank you anyway. But he was great to work with. He was such a doll. So and then he was the guy that when I got up there, as I said, I remember, uh you know, I've never

had a problem talking. You know. They brought me in, Actually they brought me up. I was going to be a member of the Spirit Squad. A lot of people don't know this news flash. You heard it here first. Man, that was a big deal because that was yeah, I remember that highly speculated back then. Yeah, I was going to be a member of the Spirit Squad. It was Vince McMahon's idea. My dear We're gonna make a lot of money, a lot of money, and I didn't take

the offer. I declined. Everybody's telling you you're gonna make a lot of money, though, and everybody gave me a lot of hell, a lot of Wait a minute, you decline. Vince McMahon tells you, I want you to be on the Spirit and you say no, sir, thank you. Is that career suicide? In a way, That's what a lot of people thought. Okay, but but but here's the thing with Vince. He clearly told us it's my idea. I'm riding on my jet and I say to myself, what

can draw? And all of a sudden, I thought male cheerleaders. Everybody hates male cheerleaders. He said, So this is not from the writing team. He's he's talking to us like this. It was only four of us. Not it wasn't five. It was four Me, Ken doone uh, Nick Nimick and Nick Mitchell. That was the four original for the Spirit Squad says, I don't want you to do it if you're not comfortable with it. But I'm telling you immediately you're finna make the most money you've ever made in

your life. And those guys did. Here's the thing. You know, I'm an athletic black guy, but and I knew I was going to stand out. I knew I can work, and I was the only black guy, so I knew I was going to stand out. And I was not comfortable going out there and put your in a male cheerleader. And to those guys credit, you know, I'm not gonna be running down, jumping off over trampoline and over the top rope and killed myself either. So gimmick was too silly or too corny for you. I mean, did you

aspire to be something bigger that that? Too? Uh? It was? It was goofy, but it was gonna again he put money in front of us. It was a goofy gimmick. I'm thinking career longevity, okay, where you know I'm not. I don't want to be here for a minute. I want to have a career. I want to have a twenty plus year career and and be one of the greats. And I didn't see that as I saw it as a money making right now opportunity. But it was not something.

I mean, nobody talks about the Spirit Squad today and they had they had lined multiple paper views with this McMahon. Immediately they second Vince McMahon when he fought Sean Michaels and god they went and won the title, they defeated and are lost to Rick Flair Roddy Piper. The gods were all over the place doing everything with Vic mn d X. But once it was done, they put him in a crate. Literally literally they put them on the crate.

All must come to it end. Yeah, but still and that's and so they came to an end, and Elijah Burke began did you get heat for saying? No? Of course? Okay, of course? How long? Did I mean? Was it like? How long? One of the one of the top guys up there at the time, and and legendary and you know, I won't say his name now because I got to save it from a book. Okay, but later you know, you know, I was actually sharing this story with two

of my good friends, Christmasters and JTG right behind you. Yeah, I was sharing when we were talking. And when we're in developmental, they pull you and have you drive to shows that were within hours of driving, you know, So like we were in Louisville, so I think it was Cincinnati, So we had to go to sense and or maybe Tennessee, but I believe it was Cincinnati hour and a half away.

So and got there and asked customary. All the young guys got to go shake the main guy's hands, you know, certainly the main guy, you know, hey, thank you, thank you for being here, whatever. And I go to one of the guys not tak her, obviously not taking her, go to shake his hand and he goes all, okay, hey, uh, I'm like, yo, what's going on? And he's like, you said no? Oh burn Like, like what you mean you

said no? You said no, and you're still here. A lot of people don't get taken chances and you're still here, Like, well, hell, Dustin Rose is over there. This is like it's fourth run. What do you mean? Do yourself? But wait where you're smart too. There's two things in there that that are kind of funny. So you were replaced by Mitch in the Spirit Squad, who had nothing to do. No mean to cut you off, no, no, go ahead. I was replaced by two guys. It went from four guys to

five guys. Okay, I was replaced by Johnny Jeter and okay, okay. So Mitch was already in the lineup. Yeah, so me saying no opened the door for the and they thanked me. You're lost, but they thank me. The other point was that when they threw him in the box, they threw a stamp on the side of it that says back to O b W. Well, yeah, and only two of those guys survived momentarily that was Kende, who still to this day. But then he was such a young prodigy. Uh,

maybe didn't have the might skills that Vin's liked. Maybe didn't have necessarily. Look, the boy just was I love Kendo. He is so athletic guy. And and he they tried to give him a little singles run and and and then Dolph Ziggler. He's still kicking. He's still kicking. He

went down, He stayed in the territory. He went left from ob W and got a new life, went to f c W at the time, which is down at Florida, Florida, Okay, and he just he stuck it out, reinvented himself, dyed his hair, got the dolphs signal character and his his talent could not be denied, even though even to this day it's suppressed. You probably don't even know that the man is a former world champion. Oh that to do that, Okay, they don't, they don't even acknowledge. But I understand what

you're saying. But for me, like listening to your story, like I always had respect for you because I mean, we've been friends for a while and I admire your work and everything. This makes me respect you so much more because you don't hear a lot of people say no, I'm not gonna do that because they're so scared of like losing their job or being black balls from the business. So you had the balls to tell Vince McMahon, I'm not going to do this. Yeah, respectfully absolutely. I mean

that takes a lot of courage. So kudos to you. Well, you know, And I tell people include some of the guys that I've been in the ring with, you know, I was officer for five years, I boxed for three years. I got a record of one old I got I lost one time. I only lost one fight in my life. Okay, So from a fighting standpoint, I always tell people, don't get it twisted. Don't fuck with me, you know, because I will mess you up. I don't have a problem.

I didn't. I didn't have to get I didn't get the the bully and if you will love a JBL stories are yeah, yeah, because I just read Justin Roberts book. Holy he gave me the book three years ago, but I just read it on the plane to Fort Wayne because I forgot about it. To be honest, I will read you right away seriously. But it's a sad I mean, it's a sad story because Justin's one of the nicest people out there, and to read about the hazing and the bullying, like we had a discussion before. I don't

understand why this needed to be done. I can. I can understand if you're being an asshole to somebody and this is going to be the way that they you know, they get you back for it. But if you're a nice kid and you're doing your job and you're respectful and you're a good work, why do you have to be haze like that? I think it was just a culture of rustling at It's just like it was very much so. And you know, it was a college atmosphere.

We won't even talk about you, I know, I know, but I'm glad you didn't have to go through all of that. Well, I mean where I'm from, we say something like I wish up would you know what I'm saying, You wouldn't have taken that? Of course not. But at the same time, you can't walk around with your your your butt cheeks clinched, you know, because when you clinch

your butt cheeks I do. Yeah. Well, well, when you clinch your butt cheets, your pants, your shorts, your skirt, your material is going to get caught up in between the cracks. Therefore everybody knows your butt cheats or clinched. The analogy there is you just got to be loose. Oh if you just said if you stay loose, but there's no challenge, there's no there's no there's no encouragement trying to go up in there. But when when you clinched and it's tight, it's like, okay, I got to

get up in that right there. I'm learning so much today, right, And so that's what you did that. They did that to those who walked around with their you know, and they were just too uptight and whatnot. It's more so as a I don't I don't know justice issue not. I'm not justifying anything because I haven't read that book.

What I'm saying is I know that even in my days of coming up, you know, we did the same thing, not to a bullying degree, but you're gonna sell a joke to a guy to see how they take the joke, you know. Yeah, that's breaking up. You know, that's you know, breaking the ice all the other stuff. I got in the ring with Bob Holly as soon as I got up there. We're in Australia or New Zealand, whichever it was.

We're doing the SmackDown. Oh my, got my phones. We're doing the SmackDown ECW, sorry, smack Down e CW tour and we got this huge battle roll with SmackDown and Raw at e c W. And this is my first time in the ring with Bob Holly. You know what I did? As as as that battle roy your starts. I fight my way over to Bob Holly and I said, Bob shop me. Bob was beating up someone and he

stops and goes and then the guy just leaves. He's like what Noah, He just leaves and and Bob freezes and he goes, what I said, chop me, and he goes all right, and he puts me in the corner and he gives me a chop. Right, it wasn't his best chop, but I sold it like a million dollars. And then I tried to leave and he goes come back another job, so I trying to go the other way.

He grabs me again. You know those uh you know the scaffold things that they have around the rings with the lights when you're Yeah, I climbed up in the whole place. Pop. Now, now you may ask, well, why did you do that? It was because I was letting him know I can take what he gives me. I'm not afraid of him. Right, And afterwards did he come up to you? It was he loved it. He loved it. I know him all over the place. I was gonna pull over time and Dreamer and stands his issues up today.

But he was my favorite E c W guy. But going back to the bullying aspect, Bully Ray Okay, yeah, I told you go in the woods, but I'll come back out where we going. Willy Ray comes to t NA okay, and him and and and uh, I'm a top baby face. We're gonna do a six man tag. They got their student Jesse and Neal with them. And I'm with homicide in that Morgan, but uh the other Hernandez. Thank you sir, So all three of us are going to take on those two. Those three, I get tagged

in bulliard. This is my first time in the ring with Bully Ray. We lock up, we do a little something something, I think, but it all came down to that. No, we didn't even lock up. We still face to face and the crowd is chatting. Pimpinpin. You know what Bully Ray did. He slapped the piss out of me. You know what I did? Oh no, oh no, I sho I shoot double legged him, Oh you did wow? And I punched him at the top of his eye, one

good punch. Well, I'm all look at that point, I'm three to four years professional and professional professional on TV. I know how this works. But you know when I double legged him and I hit him, I didn't. I mean I didn't again, nothing hard, but I hit him. You know what he was doing when I was on top of him, He was saying, you know why, because he was seeing where I was. He was testing me. After it was over with, look what you did to my eye? You set up a beat. I love he

he loved it. He's like, I wish I can get other people to react to, you know, emotionally respond accordingly. I didn't stand there and wait for him say, Okay, this is what we're going to do after you just slapped the piss out of my mouth. No, I'm coming at you. He rolled out, and then we resigned. Okay, that's how you do it. That's how you do it. Well, now let me take it to today because you mentioned m w A and you were blowing it up sir. Oh by the way, he had to tell me in

Fort Wayne that he was the main event. Forgot to mention that. I said, I said, hey, you working tonight, just very innocently, he just main event. I said, excuse, I'm sure where you were on the park you know? Oh no, no, it was it was more like in the room now with old friend and when she sees Pope, everything is Pope being sexy, you know, Is that what it is? No, it wasn't. It was like, yeah, main event, which meant that, and she's like, oh so long, you know,

like I was like to go too. Yeah. I said, well I'm not booked on that, and the main event is going to go on a twelfth Pslater, he talks about n w A. Now, how did you get involved? Did you reach out to Billy? Did they reach out to you? No? Okay, what happened? I was I was sitting right here, okay here but home, and I was

watching the first season of n WA Power. And again we're talking coming full circle as a kid sitting watching n w A Power Hour and watching Dusty Player arn and the TV title that I you know, I'm the sixth longest reign in the world television champion in the history,

not the seventh, but the sixth. Six It means a lot because you got you got Tulldy Blancher at number one, excuse me, Paul Jones at number one, Tully Blanchet at number two, Mike Ratundo at number three, At Anderson number four, Steve Auston at number five, and oh yeah, I'm proud of that. You should be. And by mind is my mom's favorite wrestler. I just want to let you know, well, geez, I'm so cute and my mom's ninety one years old. Oh go ahead, please continue. So, so anyways to I'm

watching NWA Power. I'm seeing this you know, one hour show on YouTube, and I'm just the only wrestling show. And I do my podcast post point of View with Elijah Burke. I'll get you on there soon. But I'm watching and I'm like, man, this is entertaining. This is wrestling. Is not all the skits and all of It's just wrestling the way that I remember wrestling being with a new school feel to it. It's old school wrestling with a new school feel. It's wrestling. And you'll get a

dive maybe on the paper, view here and there. You know, you ain't getting all over the ropes and crazy. It's just wrestling. I loved it, and it was entertaining so much entertaining that I would sit and watching the commercials. The commercials were entertaining really Okay, yeah, because the commercials were their own in commercials, which were which was ridiculously funny. Okay,

the city. You know, they would have like a Madam Ruby, come on and like get to w a power, I reach your future, like a flashback to whatever year it was they were recreating. No, they just created. They created it in an old school Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Right. It was great, and so I'm a fan. I'm watching it. It's the only wrestling at the time that I can sit and watch one without fast forwarding, without losing my

attention span. And after the first season, I got a call from n W A say hey, and I'm like hey, like you know hey, They're like, so you're tied up or anything. I'm like, no, what do you think have you seen? And I'm like, yeah, I'll watch you guys. I love it. What do you think about coming to join us? No problem? Crazy part. It happens all the time, much like with WWE. When I was bought in. I was bought in to be the mouthpiece for Sevester Turkai.

Se girl, I'm an interview. When you bring popol, you got somebody that can just talk. I need the palls and let you pitch your stuff. But I came in. I came in with Sylvester Turki to be his mouthpiece, his manager, okay, And then they're like, we're gonna put you in the ring. We're gonna put him outside the range. The same thing here I go to n WA. I'm just the mouthpiece. I'm supposed to be the manager, and somehow, someway, they always find a way to get me back in

the ring because they know how talented you are. I appreciate that, and I mean if you sucked, you'd still be on the outside and with the micro from the Yeah, I appreciate that. That's what happened. I was a manager and COVID hit like, look, we want you to back in the ring. And now I got after having that fantastic run with the World Television Champion or the championship. Now I have the opportunity to become the second black man in the seventy three year history of the n

WA to become the world's heavyweight champion. That's very exciting. That's mind body going to me. So when is there a pay per view coming up that you want to plug or what's going on? Well right now next week October twenty fourth, I don't know when you guys listen to this, but we're going to be an Oak Grove, Kentucky. We're going to be doing especially being an Oak Growth, Kentucky WA by enemies necessary. I'm won't be taking on one of your friends' sons. Kobe Carino. Oh my goodness, yes,

I'm I'm you know. Kobe Carino. He's young, Like I said, he's he's brash, he's ahead of his class. Give him the whooping that Steve Corin should have on. Okay, I know Colby ever since he was a baby. That's yeah, and good kid. He's a good kid and a really

funny quick story. Steve used to bring him on the roads sometimes and we'd be in the locker room, you know, and he'd be he is a little like one two years old, and I don't know why he was naked, but Colby was naked and he came over to me and he put his penis on my shoulder and I said, hey, now, son, he just started cracking up, laughing, and Colby was laughing, and uh, I don't know. I think i'd put a towel around the or something, but they started young. No,

and now look at him. I remember when Kobe put his penis on my shoulder, and Sadman also did that when he was drunk in Pensacola, Florida. I was just about to say, you know how many people wish they were Coolbekarino at that time I just said excuse me, a little one. And then with Sammy and I I didn't even sell it. I said, sir, get that off me right now. He was so drunk he was, and it's on It's on DVD. It's when Samon gets naked in Pensacola, Florida. If you look it up, you're lying. No,

he's naked in the center of the ring. He takes off all his clothes. He was bombed, he was obliviated, and he was started drinking. As soon as we got to the building. It was a house shell, you know. But his penis ended up here and I just saw. I said, get that off me right now, and he did and walked away. And I was just like, oh, listen, I love I do do I don't love his penis on my shoulder. I agree. I'm just saying, like, you

have the opportunity to work with you guys. First, let me finished his books Necessary October twenty fourth, and Oak Grog and then Hard Times Too, Hot Times Pay per View NWA December the fourth, in Atlanta, GA. I don't know what the plans are. I know there's one man that runs the show literally, and we're grateful for him. His name is Billy Cogan. So to have Billy Cogan, you know, just making his own decisions, that's great. I have the title opportunity that I can cash in at anytime.

I'm beginning to feel like hot times is going to be that time for yours truly might be the time to catch that ticket in it might be. So there you guys go and we'll do another round and taping as well. But let me talk about Hack real quick before I talk back to you. Girl. You hack Tommy Dreamer, who was my again, we both loved dream I didn't know he was a dream guy and that's why he

became Dreamer. But I loved Tomy Dreamer. He actually hired me to w W. How about that first crazy Ye you never know who you're gonna work with in this vies, know this my favorite c W guys who hired me. I have worked with you Rob Van Damn good old Balls and Mahoney who love balls in uh knew Jack They worked with him but had but me and him were like cool every time we came from each other.

And the list goes on. So to be in there with you, guys, Sabu, you know who was just as crazy then as he was back when, it is truly an honor. And to have a respected friendship with you as well, who always brings out the boy and me like Gosh always I'm not lying to you. You best black. Pope's a big boy now you are, sir, and and Pope's growing by the minute, breaking his milk and taking his vitamins. And I'm glad you took it that way, and I hope everybody else did. That's the only Well. Yes,

I much love to you, girl. I have nothing you are. Let me shut the story for your fans, and then I'm going to shut up. When me and Francine started, gosh, it's two hours already. When me and Francine started with UH working together in W W E c W, and I met her around the ring. It was my first time introducing myself to Francine at ringside. That's when we first met. Remember, oh, don't worry, you know, tell it. Yeah.

And she she was she was a little bit I don't want I don't know if you were shyre, just being because of the environment up there. It was I just no, no, not shot for me, I mean shot period. Yes. So I came around. I'm like, it's Francine, I'm finna go talk to her. I want to introduce myself. And I went to shake your hand because they would getting some entering stuff together with the girls and you had to be out there see them so and so and you turned around. He was like, and your eyes are

those big eyes? Just hi, okay, nice to meet you. And I just it just melted me on the inside. I've know, it just melted me, like your your look like it's just like, okay, I'm here. I don't know what this is. I know what it is, but I don't know what this place is. It's not my E c W. But I want to make it work. And I tried. I don't know who you are, but nice to meet you. But it was so Yeah, it made my day. And so every time I come into your presence I feel like it's two thousand and six seven

all over again. Oh God, you adorable. I can't I can't like it. You don't try me. Don't push me. I just said popes ain't no homebreaking, But don't push me. Girl, you are. I can't give me some plugs. Where can

people find you? Well? Hey, guys, hey, listen, I'm behaving here because I'm on camera, going to full Pope mode when I get friend see over on post Front of You podcasts with Elijah Bird, which you can find wherever it is you listen to your podcast at Apple, Spotify, Centure, Spreaker, Our Heart Radio, Google Play, and the list goes on. You can also catch up with your boy on Twitter and Instagram at the Black Pope that's at DA not

the Dull Black. I hope you can follow me on Facebook as well, Facebook, dot Com, Slash, Elijah Burke, and I got Twitch coming soon. But you guys will be updated on all of that and real quick. Your charity, that's where your boy was going. Thank you, Franny. My charity's tenth year anniversary is actually coming up January the eighth. We will be celebrating serving the community of Jacksonville for ten years. This is our big annual event and we follow up our again. We feed people, fran We don't

feed them out of a brown paper bag. We don't feed them out of a soup truck, no man. We go down to Burger King in the center of the homeless community in Jacksonville, and we ordered straight out of Burger King. Well, we got three, four or five hundred people only you know, any given day, lined up and we feed them the stuff that sometimes we take for granted, because you know, I've seen people eat half of a

burger and then throw it in the trash. And I saw a man walking to that same trash, pull that bag and he ate it. That's when I started my charity. That's when I said, you know, we got we can do better. We can do better. So tick the anniversar is gonna be January the eighth. Guys, you can head over to love dashallive dot org and you can learn all about my charity. You can see what Pope's doing in the community. You can also donate on that very

same website. One dollar help makes the difference. We just want to be the change that we wish to see in the world. And if you want to see it, because I make sure you guys see where your money go. You can go over to Pope TV and just scroll through and you'll see some of the love a lot of charity advance. You'll see the people line up, whether the homeless or not, if they stand in line for hours,

they need it. We give it clothes, shoes, hygiene products, book bag for kids filled with essentials to he them achieve academic success. And then this goes off. I love it. I love it. That's the one thing I said when I get him on the show. I have to talk about that charity because it's wonderful what you guys are doing down there, and I'm I'm just so proud of you. You're you're doing everything. You got it all going on right now, and you look good doing it, kiddo. So

kudos to my friend Elijah. I love it when you call me, when you calliddo, little Elijah, good talk with nw A. It's like you're will saying daddy, thank you. You know, I hate that daddy. We were talking about. We did a sex quiz because we do Patreon the extras, you know, and we get a little a little more raunchy on the other shows that we do right, because you have to pay for those. And the word daddy makes me cringe. I don't like it. You make your

women call you daddy. No, no, no, daddy, that's d a e e h daddy. Yeah, isn't it the same thing? No? No, it's not different. How is it different? Well, Well, because daddy is is a paternal term and a sexual term. Pope says daddy to everybody. Oh, daddy is more of a slang. That never said that to me. That's what Yeah, no a girls, daddy, little girls come up, give me some dab daddy. You know that's what that's what does That's what it must be because I live up here

and you're down there. You don't. You don't get pope. You get a lodge. You see. I get okay, I get the real, the real stuff. If you got Pope, you walk different. All right, This was a treat. Thank you for coming on and for only being eleven minutes late. I appre she ate it. And when you want me to come on over and do your stuff, let me know, keep in touch. But I do love you and I wish you the best of lot. Thank you so much. Sell you all right? Same here by buddy, And there

goes the Pope. Did he just say nice meeting you? Do you think he remembered me from twenty fifteen with a J Brown forgettable? Well it was audio. You know. He's great. You can't forget he's great. That's so funny there when he saw me in Fort Waite. He always runs over to me wherever I am. It's so cute. He always runs over. And there was an orange cone

like a work cone underneath Kevin Sullivan's table. And when he was coming he didn't see the cone and he goes, oh, it's razy, it's racy, and he right over and he fell over. Jeez, he didn't fall to the ground, but he kind of tripped over the cone. It's just like, calm down, I'm ready. Did he do a graceful bump? Did he pop up? He didn't take a bump, but he kind of his foot got I got caught on the cone coming over to see me because the Pope pimpin.

He's great. He's great, and I love the charity work that he does and I'm very happy for his n w A stuff, very very cool. Well we will, yeah, we'll cover the other thing next week. There's no time, no time to follow up with it. We don't follow up next week, so we're good with that. We don't follow up a great interview with filler, so we'll put the filler to the other day. But before we say goodbye, let's just talk about what's going on on Patreon. Uh this week. Like you said, I will go over him

out of order. But like you just said to the Pope, one of the things that we did were looking at ten qualities of a good lover. I held my ears because I hate that word and I don't know. This was fun. It's a it's a good it's a list. We go over and we break it down. We give our two cents. Damn yeah, with ever ones we feel are good. How about this one? I thought this was hilarious. I think you will enjoy it as well. Kind of drink is fran scene? Who knows? A blast and a can? Maybe?

I don't know. I am a party waiting to happen. Pot is here some sunny delight? Maybe delight? Am I a juice box? A caprice son? Maybe? Maybe? And then for our watch along we go over to ECW moments very very cool, one of them very historic, the other one just a really cool brawl, but nonetheless great commentary by the Queen of Extreme. And that's all on patreon dot com, slash franccene podcast. If you want to follow me, it's at Chad E and B on Twitter. On Instagram

it's at IB Exclusives. As I've already said, that is where people spend the money. So if you want to spend money, come over to Instagram. Now. I will plug one show that I am on this week. As we listen to that, Oh, let me guess what it is. Do I know it? Would you like the guests just go right ahead? Is it? Get My Go? I'm not only plugging Get My Go, I am plugging the greatest episode of Get My Go and Get My Get goes fifty three episode history. This was an absolute pleasure to record.

It was the funniest, funniest thing I've ever put in audio or video form. The chemistry, the comedic timing of the group for this recording was off the charts. And if you want to see the just absolute decimation of a group doing a video against Vince Russo, the Get My Go crew steps up and it is quite the entertaining watchin This guy who had some sort of connection to Russo at some point did a show completely trying

to trash. But what he does is he has this panel of guys that have nothing to do with whatever the beef is, and when he gives them their time to talk, they're all they do is start bringing up what Vince did on WCW television as a character, and that's what they're killing him for. Like he made himself the WCW champion and he didn't even get in the ring to defend it. It was unbelievable. The greatest episode of a podcast I think I've ever recorded. So on YouTube,

Get my Go, Get my Go. If you want to follow me and you're not across the board, you can follow me at ECW and Diva Francine and with that that is a rep