Bushwacker Luke

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you didn't know by now, my name is Chad. I'm a mark apparently, and every single week I'm joined here by the host, the Queen of Extreme Francine retired her glitzyed shirt from last week now, and in a lot of pain, I couldn't do it today. Guys, I apologize. My mouth is throbbing. You're lucky I showed up. My work ethic is strong. Even if I'm sick. I do what I need to do. So I'm here. But I would have called out today if I was able to.

I almost said to you can the lovely Liz substitute for me, but it was so short notice I didn't think she would be able to. So I am, I'm here, but I got okay. So here's the story. Hear it? Do we have time? We got time? So here's the story. Monday today is Friday. Y'all know our schedule by now. Monday. I had to go to the dentist and I'm getting braces on the twenty eighth, So I had to go on Monday to get spacers put in my teeth. Now, I looked it up online, saw what the procedure. I

was didn't think it was a big deal. I was like, yeah, I could do this, no problem. Well, apparently my teeth are all so close together. They were having trouble putting the spacers in. Pushing, pushing, pushing. The assistant had to call somebody else in because she couldn't get them between my teeth. You know, it was just when they would pop in, my gum would cut. It would cut my gum, so my mouth is bleeding. You have to put eight of them in. You got four on the top and

four on the bottom. She got six or seven of them in, but in the back, I have two crowns that are next to each other. So she called somebody in. That lady continued to push, push, push, Now I'm laying down. Okay, I'm laying down like this. She pushed so hard that the crown popped off and went down my throat. Ooh, like literally like oh, I had to grab it before I choked it down. And she was like, oh, what happened? And I said, you just knocked my crown out of

my mouth. She went oh, and she walked out of the room. No apology, no, no nothing. She just left. So the other girl, who was very very sweet, she apologized profusely, and I was just like, it's okay, and she's like, oh, it came off clean. We could just cement it back in. They had to call my dentist in. So my dentist walks in and she's just and now I'm thinking, am I paying for this? Like? Is it gonna cost me another thousand dollars? What am I doing here?

She cemented it in, but they couldn't get the space hur in. So I had seven of them in and this one they said, you can just come back and get it done another day. Okay, I go home. Every single spacer pop pump pup, Oh, it's just on its all just say. Well. I tried to eat. They told me I can eat, they said, don't. I don't eat sticky foods. Don't chew gum, don't eat caramel, stay away from sweets if you can, like the sticky, laughy taffy, that kind of stuff. I came home. I think I ate.

I don't know. I think I got checks mix or something, and I was just though, well, I tried to like suck on it to make it a little softer, and then you know, you nibble here and n well, everything broke because they said you can eat anything but but sticky stuff. I didn't know. So I call them. She says, oh, he's at lunch. You got to call back in an hour. Fine, call back in an hour. I said, listen, this is broke. This one's broke. Oh you can come back. Uh, maybe we can do it on the day that you get

your braces done. Because what I'm doing is the top are getting braces. The bottom. I have to go back in six months to get the braces on the bottom because the overbite has to move back. Well, here they all busted. So I said, they're all broken. So she said, well then you have to go to her other office on Wednesday. I said, fine. My mouth was full of blood. I'm like, I don't understand what's going on. The throbbing was ridiculous. So Wednesday I went to this different office.

It was the lady that knocked my crown. I said, please let it be anyone but her. There she is standing there. So I said, oh, good morning, how are you? And she goes, I'm fine, how are you? And I was like, I'm good and she said so she said what happened and I said, yeah, they knocked my crown up. She goes, oh, that was me. And I'm waiting for her to start. No, sorry, no, nothing, and I'm like, what a bitch. So I just said, well, just get

them in please and get me out of here. Will She got seven of them, and of course that one in the back she couldn't get in. So the orthodonist who's doing my braces, I think that's who it is. He came in and he said, we got to put a spring. I said, okay, well the spring wouldn't fit. He had plyers he's pushing down. Did not fit. So finally he said, we got a metal wire. I'm gonna wrap it around, I'm gonna twist it, I'm going to cut it. And that's going to be in your mouth,

and I said fine, so he did that. Then he proceeded to tell me that when you got braces, like fifty or sixty years ago, you had to have a metal wire around every single tooth in your mouth. And now I have eight spacers. I would have had to do all thirty two teeth with this metal mine in the day. But anyway, so I came home Wednesday. All I've eaten is soup like butternut squash because it's very

smooth and uh smooth and shakes and that's it. And oh and mashed up avocado like a baby baby food avocado. And I've lost two pounds in two days. Oh so that's the secret, huh, sony. And I'm starving and I'm mad, and I have another what twelve eleven days, so maybe I'll lose another eleven pounds. And you know, I'm getting I'm probably eating about between I would say six and seven hundred and fifty calories a day, which is ridiculous. I'm sting. I'm starving, okay, and I'm watching food vlogs

like an asshole. Okay, yeah, that's probably not good. Probably if you have food, did you have the inclination to maybe get some laffy taffy like they told you not to do. Were you attempted to have some la even biting. I'm afraid to fight down. I'm literally sitting here with my mouth open all day long. I'm not putting pressure on because I think they're just rubber, like rubber bands.

If you put too much pressure, they're gonna snap, and then I'm gonna have to go back and They're going to do it all over again, and I'm going to bleed again. And if they another tooth out, I might knock the bitch out myself because I can't deal with this anymore. You could dial into the extreme here in the dentist office, and you know your teeth are shifting now because the face are so it's constant throbbing. He said, forty eight hours, you'll be fine. Well it's been forty

eight hours and I'm still in pain. And it wakes me up in the middle of the night. That's like boom boom. This is this feeling. Yeah, it's like the heartbeat's terrible. It's the worst. So I'm just tired. I'm hungry. I know it could be a lot worse, and I know that before anybody shits on me, I understand. But right now I am in misery because I'm just you know, what you want to eat, and you just you're just hungry and you just want to eat something. I just

want to eat. I'm just hungry. There's nothing that grosses me out more than teeth. Really, I can't even with the little girls and they're loose teeth, I can't, can't be in the room. I don't like it. It just makes me queasy. That sucker right out. Oh it makes you so cool. And little Breeze got this little tooth that's hanging on by a thread, and every time I talk to her, she's like wiggling it. I'm like, oh, you are a wuss. I'm like, there's an apple. Try I could work my kid? Uh, I forget which I

think it was my daughter. She bit a chicken nugget and the tooth was in the noet. Oh oh yeah. They made my stomach turn all that, both kids, and they I think they both lost the tooth and they brought stuff to the room, like the tooth fairy. It was really cute. It's nice. I'm not even I have legit like I had, like a wave just come over me, like a heat waves. You are such a pussy. It's I just don't like teeth now. But now here's the

funny part. So a movie like there's a horror movie called The Dentist with Corbyn Burns and cor Yeah, cor Corbyn b what's yeah Corbyn Burnson. I can watch that because it's clearly fake. It's clearly you know that. You can see the blood and bah bah and he gets off on the blood and all that. It is terrible. Good lord. Yeah, it's weird. It's the dentist. There's a few of them, and it's over the top like villain.

But real teeth anybody who's a tooth it is. And now I can sit in the dentist's chair and get my teeth worked one, no problem. I've been told my dentist said, my parents did a good job with my dental care. Girl me up. Anybody else's teeth problems. It gives me such like ough, just nasty. My good friend Shannon, who you know, is Daphne, she can't she can't be in the same room if you're brushing your teeth. The

sound of the brushing of the teeth grosses her. Out and one day I ran around with my tooth chasing her and she was getting so mad. See, I gotta have the water running because I don't like it either. I don't, not to that extent, but I have the water running because I don't like the sound of it. Like just brush on too. I know exactly what she's talking about, but I have the water running all the time. Guys are weirdos. I don't care about the water build.

Let the water build be nine thousand dollars, thousand dollars. I just don't want to hear your brush. Your deep ain't a planned what wow? Well, yeah, that doesn't bother me. And usually the dentist, you know, I'm pretty lackadaisil when it comes to the dentist. I'm just like whatever, Just do you know I had two c sections. You could do whatever. But I had tears coming down my face.

They were pushing to freaking hard on my gum line and then I was just bleeding and she's like, oh, you're bleeding, and she gets a tissue and she's going like this to my face and I'm just like, can I just get out of here? Please, like, just go out of here. Well, so what's the what's the update about the braces when you'll have them twenty eighth, twenty eighth, Yeah, because right now every single spacer is in my mouth where it's supposed to be because I'm not eating and

I'm not biting. So that's a much day. And then we record on a Friday. That'll be the second. So you'll have a nice new set of braces. Now you're gonna get get colors. You're gonna get like lear or white whatever. It was five hundred dollars more, but I said, I don't want the metal. I want to as little as possible, you know, I don't want it to stand out like a sore thumb. I used to change the colors of my rubber bands so when you smile, to be different colors. So I didn't orange for the mets.

I also did. This is very marky, and this is why I said you called me a mark before we started something. I said I had blue and yellow for the WWF at one point on my braces and people, I'm perfectly fine to admit it. I can't with him. Good lord, it made me who I am today. Well, yeah, that's just wonderful. Oh yeah, So anyway, That's that's where I'm at. I did I say, did I tell you?

When I traveled for Boston two weeks ago, I got a COVID test and I had my little one with me, and I had my sunglasses on because they went so high up my nose. I had two tears come right down the side of my face unprompted, and I was like just driving. She's like, are you okay? I was like, that hurts, I'll be okay. So when when something can plug the tear ducts from you know, it's yeah, you know,

you went deep. I tried. I was a man, I was, I was holding, but she went so far into my brain that it popped to right out one side on each other. I can't imagine that. That's yeah, that would hurt. Another thing I'm pissed off about is is Twitter. Yeah. Yeah, I submitted every single thing that you are supposed to submit, and they don't even all it is. Was it came up on my timeline, my Twitter feed, whatever it's called. Like I was. I woke up one day and I'm

scrolling through whatever I have. You know, you push your notifications and it just says your your Twitter verification has been denied. I can't believe that, no explanation, know nothing. So now I'm just at a loss for words because everything that I submitted was what they needed. And it just pisses me off because there's literally people like two hundred and thirty nine followers. I don't know who they are, no offense to anybody, but they got the blue check mark.

Crazy when you got denied. I was tempted to do it just to see if they would do it, because I mean, what's the status? What you have? Thirties? What thirty six thousand followers most year? I mean, like, how can they not see the apt mentions, the responses. It's not like you just sit there and you promote Twitch, you promote Patreon, or you promote the podcast. You're responding to people, You're constantly marketing stuff. How could they not

give you the check mark? And I saw somebody else that was like, oh, I'm so happy I got I can't remember who it was, And I was like, that makes they had like four thousand followers. There's a one of the fans was telling me there's a fan, a WWE fan that got a check mark because he's a fan. I guess super fan. Yeah, you have to submit websites that have your images on them that can prove who you are. I mean, what better website to submit than wwe It doesn't get more, you know, because I'm on

the alumni Alumni. I'm all over the videos. I submitted that one. I submitted the pro wrestling teas to show them that I have my own store all that stuff, and denied that's yeah, that's and that's he like, that's what the whole thing? What does it matter anymore? It doesn't. But for me, it just I've had people say, you know, you really should have a check mark, and I'm just like, don't you think I want? I just I joined so late. I've only been on Twitter for three years. Some people

have been on for like twelve since they started. I joined so late. So when I first joined, they weren't taking requests anymore. They just started taking requests like a month ago. So I submitted my info right away, and then it took them two weeks to tell me you're denied, and I was like, screw you. Twitter. Yeah, well, at first when they opened it up, it was like you had to wait to see when it hit your profile. So I was casually going through. I saw it hit

mine so that I texted it to you too. You're like, I'm on it. I'm already I already submitted it when you texted me, I already sent the stuff in and I was just antiently waiting. So now I had one more source, a secret source that can possibly get me the check mark. So I'm just waiting. But I'm just you know, it just bothers me. It bothers me that I did everything right and I didn't get it. Yeah, yeah,

you absolutely did. It's funny. Chris Pavone had his check mark from when he was with WWE because he was on Twitter back when Twitter was still giving out the check marks. Yep. And he's got you know, one hundred and thirty nine thousand followers from when he was in WWE and when he was contemplating, you know, leaving wrestling and starting his own business, he was like, well, I'm just going to keep my Twitter because I have a blue check mark. I have one hundred thousand plus followers.

So he's doing all his serious, you know, motivational stuff and all his his things under Craft Daddy WWE. Okay, and guess what if you try to change your your name, they will take the check mark away from you. Yeah, well right back, right back, had that done? I know, really, Kerry, I think I think she told me her tea was like in small case and she wanted to capitalize the T, and she did, and they took her check mark away

from her. Sometimes that's all it takes, is yeah, because I wanted to change my handle and then I was like no, because now it's one everything that I do and it's just a pain in the as to go and change twenty different things. So I'm just keeping it the way it is. But like you said, I don't think the check mark really matters. Everybody knows it's me, but it just looks nice and it's just professional looking and I just want it for whatever reason. But no,

you have to. You need it, especially for you. You're on Patreon, you're on Twitch, you're on cameo, you're on Twitter, you're on Instagram, you're on everything, I know, literally everything. Now you don't have your own website. I used to, but I to, Yeah I don't anymore. You might you know what I might suggest for you, And this could be something too, that might be something that toggles their people. There's a thing called link Tree. Have you ever heard

of that link Tree is. I think it's free, but it takes all of your life and puts them in one spot. I have it on your profile. People click link Tree and there's all your shit right there. Gotcha? Yeah, I did hear about it, now that you're well, it's just I don't know. It pisses me off that people who are not out there have a check mark and me, I'm busting my ass every week and I can't get a check marks. It's just a downer, So I feel

the frustration for you. We were awaiting our guests to join us here in a few moments, so we won't go too into detail, but I mean there was one. I had found this article the other day, and I can't really pull it up in the detail that maybe I would have if we had more time. But there was an article about the women of Extreme Okay, and it was a whole thing written about the history of

ECW and your history getting into the business. I found it interesting that the article was written now Okay, because there really hasn't been anything about that class, you know, written on a major, major platform. But this ran down your whole entire career, and when we have more time, I'd love to dig into it more. But kind of interesting to see how this entity wrote your career trajectory. But do you think the women of extreme don't get

enough press? And this article was nice is everybody, but I don't think they get enough press in the mainstream wrestling media. I mean, I guess I agree with you, you know, not to be trying to put myself over or anything. But we, you know, we did a lot back then. We did things that women, you know, I should say, valets and managers so to speak, weren't doing, you know, and getting beat up by the guys and

taking finishers and all that kind of stuff. And I think not even the women, but I think eac W as a whole sometimes just gets pushed to the side because more so you hear about WWF and WCW back in the nineties and then they'll say, oh, in the you know the little company ECW or you know the indie company. I hate when they used to the indie company. We weren't an indie company. An indie company back then did not have syndicated television, weekly television, pay per views,

video games, dolls, or action figures. That's to me that that's a major company, you know. And I feel like a lot of people used to just discredit what we all did for the business. We always had that specific hardcore fan base that everybody loves to talk about, and we were underground, and you know, I just feel like I feel like if we could have continued, we would have been more mainstream, if we had the finances obviously

to promote ourselves more. And I'll say it again, I believe TNN was a nail in our coffin for us. So I just don't think it's the women in general. I feel like the company, maybe not so much individuals, but I feel like the company kind of gets pushed to the side. Yeah, because we were always known as the number three company out of the big three. They included us in the Big three, but a lot of people just called us this little indie fed that ran out of a bingo hall. So it's like, oh, they

only ran every three weeks out of a bingo hall. No, we toured, we traveled, we went places, We did a lot of things. We were on pay per view, like, well, what do you have to do to get respect? Yeah, you see the watch along that we have this week. The crowd of a house show that was ravenus could have been a pay per view the way were reacting the title. They what they say is the title is Women of ECW. Their stories are more than MEETCI changing

the roles of women in wrestling and the emergence of ECW. Well, that's nice, you know, That's that's nice to hear. And everybody who comes up to me always says, you know, with hell you this wanting to happen, And maybe that's true, and maybe that's not true. But I just I feel like we, like the girls all worked really really hard, and I think we left our mark in this business, and just you know, as a whole, I just don't feel like ECW gets enough credit for what it gave

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entire order. Don't forget Legacy subs dot com. And we want to thank Legacy Sports Nutrition for being a part of the eyes up here at Family. Here's what it says under your picture says. Although Francine looked the part of diva, she certainly had no problems taking bumps and getting physical in the ring when asked of her, Oh, thank you whoever that artist. In nineteen ninety three, while Francy was living a pretty normal life but working in

a job she hated, selling insurance in Philadelphia. She saw a television commercial while she was eating dinner. I'll have to save that because our guest is now joining us. Oh okay, would you like to introduce them? Oh? I love to introduce them? Yes, please do? I mean, growing up as a fan, how could you not love the Bushwhackers? And joining us today is WWE Hall of Famer, the great Bushwhacker? Luke Hi, handsome? How you doing it? I'm great? How are you? Bloody? Love me? Tell your mother? Oh

my god, I love the boys. I can listen to you so all day long. Let's get close quarters. Woe, come on over. How have you been good? I've been good. I just after a sixteen months, I'm back on the road. You know, I just read I'm going to start with that. I just read that you just were worked in May wrestling. Since since the fifth, the tenth of May, I've worked four shows. What are you doing on the road? Hey? Are you loving it? I never went all with my

premises for seven months? True? A lot of people haven't. I mean in a year, you know, I just go to the gym. My family. We haven't gone out of kneeding or anything, you know which. Anyhow, we online we're rolling. We're going right now? Are we rocking and rolling? Well, let me ask you a question, how do you feel being back in the ring, Because you did retire for a little bit and you did some autograph signings, you're out and a belt, but now you're working again. How's

your body feeling? Good? Good? The only time I was out of the ring was when I was booking IWA and Puerto Rico from two oh one to two oh nine, two o eight, I was out of the ring. But I've been in the ring since then. So you've been working a regular schedule up until COVID. Until COVID, Yeah, well you know, working when working when anyone wants to book me, that's true. Well, that's that's the not everybody wants a dinosaur. You look wonderful this year. I'm seventy

this year, I'm seventy five years of age. God bless you. You look wonderful as hands as ever. Let me tell you, mate, I'm like, hey, Francine, I'm like a a car on the front of a car, like all polished. That opened me up, and I'm an eminent side. Now you are not. You know you won't remember this, but I I remember this the first time I ever met you and Butch. We were doing I don't remember where it was, but

we were doing the signing. It was I think it was might have been before you guys came into E. C W. We were doing the signing. It was an outdoor signing. I was sitting at a table and you and Butch come walking down. There were stairs behind us, and you just came over and you both licked my face. And I'll never forget that, And that was my first It will never been the same since I haven't. So you're okay, we haven't. That's hilarious. I loved it. Well,

you started wrestling in what nineteen sixty two? Yeah? What made you want to be a wrestler? Next door? The next door neighbor was a body builder, and then he went to mister New Zealand and he placed second. The judge for the show was a past mister New zealandteen nineteen fifty, mister New Zealand, and he said, answer the show. And the judge said to my neighbor, he says, do you want to make some money with that body? And my neighbor said how. He says, we'll come into this

gym in Wellington, which is eight miles away. He said, and you know we've got wrestling rings there. We've got two rings there, not wrestling boxing rings. Now, this gym was like the first Rocky movie, the steam room in the back with the pipes, rap ring, all kettlebells lying around the floor. There's only there's only a squat rack and a bench bess rack. No other machines and that was it. And then they had two boxing rings. There are about a full off the flour. The floor was

the boxing rings. The floor was as hard as the four you're standing on. There's four ropes twenty feet apart. The ropes in New Zealand the commission had to be twenty feet apart. I don't know why, but that was the law. And you know there was always four ropes. It wasn't too It wasn't till Jim Barnett came into New Zealand. You heard the Jim Barnett right, yeah, Jim Bynette.

He opened up Australia w CW and Australia and sixty five and when he come out to New Zealand later on in the sixties, we went down to a three ring, a three rope ring, and it was it was rounds too. The main event was eight eight minutes, and if you didn't if you didn't do six rounds, the people wouldn't come back. They think they were screwed, you know what I mean. And then the end of it, and then the second The match before that was eight five minutes. You know, I used to do eight five or eight

six minutes, and I had to do six. At least I had to do thirty minutes too, good morning. There were three minute rounds, five minute rounds, you know what I mean. So it stops. And then if you're getting the heat up on a guy and it stops, and then you had to wait. If you're a single, you had to wait till the bell rings and dive in and try and build a heat again. That's different. Wow. Jim Banny came in and he made ten minute rounds

and that hence the ten minute matches. When Jim ben bad It came to New Zealand, say seventy seventy one, he that was ten minute match, ten minute rounds, and then we got to twelve minute rounds, fifteen minute rounds. So we got rid of the bloody you know, the the you know the eight minutes and going through the long time. He had all of a sudden went to from from British style European wrestling to American wrestling. You know, European wrestling, when you threw a guy down, you had

to stay with him. And you know, if you threw him down and you let him go, you couldn't go and touch him. You had to go with him and you went down. I don't know whether you knew that this is going back. Yeah, that's that's difference between European and American. Yeah, Eddy four move where you had to go with him if you wanted to work with him on the map and you couldn't. You couldn't stomp or

you couldn't punch. You had to do the British upper you do the fourm like that or the out British upper cut and then and you do the need drop or they drop. You couldn't kick with your foot. Huh. You guys are shooting over there. Yeah, the pice the police would come in the ring and stop the match, the police with the commission. That's he that. Yeah, that's different. Now I wasn't aware of that. That's uh. So you

go if you go eighty five minutes. That's not a Broadway, right, that's like that's like a Broadway plus like another mile how long? Shows? Back then it was the root that was the European British style, you know what I mean? So what so when when did you and and Butch joined forces together? Sixty six? Sixty six? Okay, so you you had started training in sixty two, so you had a couple of years under your fag Sweet William sweats gorgeous Teddy Williams. And then I switched to sweet William.

Jim Bannet changed the name. He said, that's the gorgeous teddy. He changes the sweet William and uh because I was going home to Australia and working against and I was like them too. You know. When I first started, I was one seventy five, soaking wet, oh wow. Sixty two and then and and then I started going to Australia in about sixty six sixty seven. In the course, there's spirits Arion, Maria Milana, all the and up your way, Dominic Denucci, Killer Kowowski, Uh, Jesus tarsand Tyler, all the

all the top guys, bull Bulldog brow Brew. You know, Bulldog brower King Curtis mark Lewin, Mik Mark Luhn was the booker Okay Abdulla the Butcher. He had the Japanese Fuji and Tanaka. He had the von Erics Wolder, Fritz von Eieric. It was heavy. It went from British you know, I went from British wrestling to heavy American wrestling with grab a Hole and then kicked the shit out of him, Baby a Hole. Then he'll kick the shit out of him. Because you were you worked in New Zealand, and then

you worked in Canada. For still in Australia, first for Jim Bannett to where I learned to patch and kick, and then the governor, and then in the late the late sixties I worked a lot of Singapore, Bangkok around there and now in Japan, and then seventy two seventy two in the sixties I worked against Andre you know, he was six seven foot four, three hundred and fifty pounds with a big afro, which to me, worked with

him a lot in New Zealand. He never come to North America when we went to when we first come to North America, which was Montreal, Andrea came in six months before us, so Killikwaski Andrea was the main baby and Kilikowski was a main heel, and of course we knew Killer from Australia, so we made the two top guys in the territory. And that Grand Prix was running three towns a night, and the Rugos were in the same area and they were running one town to night.

That's you're you're all over the place. That's what a history though I didn't know this history, mate, can. I didn't know this history until later, but said that that was in North America. That was a hotspot of wrestling in the early seventies. Toronto Montreal was drawing the biggest crowds regularly at that time. Of course they had the main guys Killer Kawawski, who had sold out matters the

Square Gardens in the sixties and seventies. And they got Andre the first time they ever, you know, Gene Freree, not Andre, the giant Jean Free. Yeah, that's all unbelievable, you know. I'll just say about news. Dominic Dnucci always says about that w CW that was like the highlight of his career was back there because he thought that that was an unbelievable territory and the response at the time was off the charts and that was one of

the favorite places he ever worked. Where in Australia, Yeah, yeah, well Dominic Domic was a big run down there Italian. See, Australia is full of a lot of people immigrated from Italy and Greece down there, and Australia had towns prenominantly Greek and Italian, and you know Murray and Milano and

Dominic Danucci Italian and the Spiritus Aaron. I don't know whether you heard of him, absolutely big Greek from Hu and then he worked for Vincinia a lot and then he was a big baby face down there, the Greek babyface. You are incredible. How how did you guys? Uh? Did you get recruited to go to w W? At the time? Stealing promoter knew the Vashon's and Morris he met them. I don't know where he met them, and that maybe in Japan. And this is not the same promoter that

got me started. Now he's been brought out by another guy in New Zealand, and that who was an ex detective who hated drugs, but he was a drunk He hated drugs, but he was a drunk. He ended up being publican. He owned hotels. Funny part of everyone he hide was everyone he hided with big druggies and he had and he had to let guys go in New

Zealand because the peace gave him a warning. They told him, we know you guys are a smoke This is in the sixties and seventies and we know you guys are on smoking Wei because we've seen him smoking it in the street. And that that he had to get rid of different guys in the street. No other place to getting back to the story, Morrison. So that's how we got over. Morris and Butcher brought us over. They owned

They owned Grand Prix with Edward Copontier. Okay, you know you've heard of Edward Copontier time frenchman did He did the French broadcasting for w w E. Right, okay, so what year did did you guys join with Vince? Vince was ninety eight eight eight eight eight eight. Sorry, well, let me just I'll give the backstory quickly. So I mean Butch and Luke as the sheep herders completely. I remember the first time I saw you guys as a

little little one. I was scared to death of you because of the bloody matches that you guys had and you're brawling and you're kicking ass. And then when he gets to the ww F in nineteen eighty eight, Vince has a different vision for you guys. You become the Bushwhackers and then become the most lovable tag team that they ever had. That's what I was gonna say. You guys were the cutest, the cutest wrestlers ever like you were just you reminded me of big Teddy Bears, you

know who the Funny pudd is. A lot of people, a lot of people down south, they didn't realize we were the same guys. They said, how can two guys go from being hide Cooled before hide cool became a name brand to comical? And that was easy. We were you know, we were w A and we just had an angle with with with the guy in the wheelchair magnet. No, no,

we've just done that. Two weeks before that. I got the call, we're working with a rock and roll express in w A. And and we got the call and you know, we were wrestless in the n w A or blood serist and kick ass ones and that. But when we went to with WWE, you know we're old enough to know money. Money's money, merchandise, merchandise. That's true. You guys, those daysments made you a celebrity. But you're so versatile that you can you can do it all

so that your phenomenal workers. You're a good baby. Actually, about four years ago, I did some babe wire matches, Oh Jesus as a heel, as a heel because the baby face I was in his hometown. And it was hard too, because the people wanted to cheer meat and I had to go way out to get the heat. You know what I mean? Yep, I understand. Well, I always I started watching you guys when you were in WWF, So when I would see the bushwhackers, I loved, like, I just thought you guys were big teddy bears, and

I loved the gimmick because it was fun. Hey, yeah, I went a little bush in my life. You know, they usually told me I'm they usually kill me, I'm shaved. That's a little bushwhacker humor, there's sure. I had a book. I had this book. It was called The Big Book of Pro Wrestling, and inside of it was I got this had to be nineteen eighty seven. I mean, you guys are just biting people, ripping the heads, blood everywhere,

all over you, all over them. And then when I see you guys marching down the railroad track for the first time, it was like a change in culture. But again, what a what a lasting legacy. Now you guys are in the w W Hall of Fame. I mean you'll be forever ingrained in the you know, the marching and like Francine said, you licked the side of her face. I mean, how many people have come up to you over the years with the same story. You know. You know last year too, we went in the progressing Hall

of Fame. Too much deserved. Yeah, that's that's voted by the past, the past hall of Famers. That's that Hall of Fame. Well, may I ask you a question. I just watched it this morning. E c W is where I you know, That's that's what I'm know for you guys came in for a couple of shots. How did did Paul call you to do that? Like? How were you contacted and what was the deal? The yes, we would only been out of ww for about four months

or five six months. The poor calls for that and then he's and after that, we'd like to start you, you know, and I'll call you when we need you, you know, in a month or two months down the road. Now, at the time, we were hot and on the independent circuit and we had every weekend we had three bookings. You know, it's Thursday, Friday and Saturday, or Friday and

Saturday Sunday. So we came in and worked the three shows and they were in Florida for Paul leave and that and that, and you know, we're straight up guys. You know, when we tell a person we're gonna we're gonna work for you, we don't let them down. Now, we were on the marquees for a lot of independent

hang on and for a lot of independent workers. You know, months ahead we got bookings, and that we told Paul, you know, we needed, you know, at least to give them a month, six weeks notice, month notice long the whole. The following Friday, he called us first thing in the morning, he said, we need you tonight for the weekend. That was classic Paul. Though. Now we were booked and we were under marquis for all these independent people who were

booking us regularly, you know what I mean. I booked us up for a year and I said to him, Paul, I said to a holy kid, to call the guy with a cane, who was huh Sandman, you know the other guy Dreamer Dreamer, Yeah and that. And I said to Dreamer, you don't let me give them a month's notice and that blah blah blah. So he went back and that, and the next day I called, well, you don't want to say you don't need us, that Paul doesn't need you. Oh oh, Man, see that because you

came in and you did the Dudleys. The whole story storyline, We come in the Dudleys and that, and we're going to work with Man and his partner Y Sandman's partner in the match I saw it was dream Dream Yeah. Yeah, so we we weren't actually going to come in and do a thing. And they shoot an angle with Sandman

in Dreamer. That was the whole storyline. Yeah, Because then it was just like you were gone, and I never knew what happened because we I mean, we've had people coming and out, you know, like Scott Hall worked for us for a weekend. Like people just didn't stay it was like a revolving door. But I had heard that we were supposed to YouTube more, but I never knew the backstory to what what happened. Yeah, so that was it.

You know, he was going to give us a month's notice, you know, you know, coming to set receptions great, but it was Paul. I heard that he changed the television and he did that a lot. That's why the eared tickets he had. I heard that people who were buying the ear tickets and that they were banned up because there was a lot of us a minute he had tickets, and you know, three weeks out, after three weeks out,

the tickets triple. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, Well I I feel bad because you guys got a great reaction, You got a heal reaction. Yeah. But you know, there's a few things in life where I should have said fuck the Independence and then Paul made fuck the Independent people. But then poor poor he may have used us for that one angle and said bye bye. It's true. You never know, I know, I know, but we would have got some super heat. We would have got over there. I'm sure we would have got over you did you

did that one match? I'm telling you. I just wanted. You know, I'm talking about getting over the draw money. You don't get over the first night. You know, a lot of territories as heel was Butcher me go. The first week we had people throwing out of us, throwing stuff after they saw us up television. But we didn't have the heat to draw the house. You know, it takes time and met six weeks to get that with you.

You and Butch, though had such everybody knew who you were, and everybody knows who you guys are coming in as heels, especially with Dudley's shirts on that Yeah, because the Dudley's were the they were like the top heels in the company at this point. So with you just wearing that shirt, you automatically had that heat siding with their sound. So you guys would have it would have been fun to see what because you didn't wrestle that match. You you

drew Bubba and Devon into the ring. You guys didn't work at all and you were getting out of the building. You didn't even have to do anything. You didn't even take a bump. But you know what, you could have seen the sheepherders come back at some point. Worked out you guys could have been back to that old school sheepherder mode of the hardcore before hardcore was hardcore. Yeah, we started doing those bad white cage matches and five

matches and stuff like that in the early eighties. In the late seventies early eighties, we first started getting into that sort of stuff, you know, chain full way chain matches and that. Right. Well, I can't believe that you're still I mean, seventy four. You look great. It's in your blood, I know, you know, being a worker. Everybody just you're always going to be a wrestler. That's that's it. But I didn't know you were as active as you are. Oh,

here we go. We have an appearance on June twenty sixth. So, so Luke is going to be touring with the Captain's Corner at the end of June, the weekend of the twenty six He's got a pretty pretty decent schedule on tap. He's going to be what time my Captain's Corner mate, Well, this one, this is eleven am. I don't know exactly the time you're arriving. Got eleven am on Saturday, June twenty sixth. This is that Heroes Hideouts got where heroes

hideout is in Massachusetts. You're doing the Captain's Corner Happy Hour with Nick from Captain's Corner. That's on actually Friday, the twenty fifth. Those are always fun. Then we got back in the Saddle, which is June twenty seventh. That is in Allentown, Pennsylvania. Look at you. You're everywhere. And then you're also in Stockholm, New Jersey on the twenty sixth with Barret Windam. Oh, so you're your double book on the twenty sixth, Sir, you have a full schedule

in June that weekend, this old guy working. I know, well, you know, if you're enjoying yourself, then why not. These are easy shots and you know, meeting, greet signing, I love them and taking photo ops. Do you enjoy them, Luke? Because so many people like for myself, I love doing signings and interacting with fans. But there's and I won't name names, but there's a lot of the boys who hate it and they're bored and they don't like talking

to people. Do you enjoy them? To bullship them and have them on and joke with them, And I've tried to move them through fast as I can, But I try to lay able tot able to smack on each person. There you go, So you're enjoying yourself, Yeah, you don't if you're not enjoying yourself. I usually picked myself up beforehand, so so ready to go, you know what I mean. I enjoy it good and and I do too, But I I hate, you know, especially since we're being paid

to be there. But so many people they just sit there and they're miserable, and I'm just like, then, why are you even doing it? Like have a good time. That's I don't understand. You know, they want to get booked, and when they get there, they just sit there and they're in on their phone. Yeah, they're on their phone. They're not paying attention. We're being paid to just hang out and meet people. It's it's such a blessing after taking bumps all your life, then you you get a

reward by getting an empty pay day. That's the way I look at it anyway. But parties, you know, waiting things to pre waiting things and different parties and that that's easy. I love it. I feel like I'm robbing the people because you're not robbing the people. You don't want to see you and you just go around and wack them on the shoulder, starts with them. You know what I mean. How can people get a hold of you if they want to book you for an event?

If they wanted to book me for a way, it's Bushwhacker brand, Bushwhacker b U S H W H A c K E R B R A N D at gmail dot com. Okay, and they can hire you. And are you on Twitter? Sorry? Instagram? Twitter and Facebook? It is all bushwhack and loop. I need to go follow you on Twitter. I'm a big Twitter girl, so I need to see the trebulins. I've never been able to get into Twitter. But even if I do on Instagram, I put it through Twitter and Facebook. Okay, smart, Yeah,

you know what I mean. Instagram the young people. I want to get hooked up on Twitter, but I don't know. I'm not quick at all. That ship on Twitter so much. Yeah, but see Instagram. Everybody everybody tells me it's so easy. Twitter's very easy. Instagram I'm too old for because you have to like post all these sexy pictures on Instagram and I just don't have time for that. So I would I see on Instagram, my Carol, my posters, you know the shows, And I just hit two buttons and

it goes to Facebook and Twitter. Well there you go. See he knows more than I do. I don't even know Instagram. I hate it. Yeah, I just don't. Yeah, but you and it takes a while. I have any got about It takes a while to build it too. I've only got about thirty five thousand there, and and those people love you. Yeah, you know growing Twitter is easy to grow, they tell me. Twitter is easier to use, in my opinion, and you don't have to post a picture, which I love. I don't want to post my pictures.

But I am so happy I got to talk to you today because I haven't seen you in a really long time. And I'm hoping, you know, we do a convention and I will come and maybe I'll come up to you and lick your face next year that way too, Norm Corners, I'm gonna see a man about a dog. I'll come back in a second. Oh didn't you go see a man about a dog? Hang on, okay, my dog. He's gonna go see a man about a dog. Well, well, we'll let you go if you need to go, because

we got your stuff out of the way. I'll be back in a second. I'll do this hero it was I thought he was too, But here's what I gonna do. I'm gonna do this while you know. We'll keep him there while we will talk about Patreon before we say goodbye. We're watching Shane Douglas versus Saboo. We may have recorded out of order today, so this is a an interesting house show match, very rowdy, quite a crowd and the queen of extreme in action for sure. During this one,

I was, man, I was all over the place. I'm looking forred to that. And then we're also gonna do a think while you drink. I didn't put up a banner for it because it's not only just gonna be like a think while you drink. I have a video I want to play for you that I just saw come by my my Twitter. We're going to do this in two parts because it's going to be a long one. Yes, it'll be a longer one. So we'll get we'll get that broken up, might do different different topics to keep

it fresh. Without a doubt, I'm I'm very intrigued about this dog. A dog. Yeah, I thought it was like, Hey, I met a dog like a punchline, like I'm gonna go get a doll. Yeah, I thought he was gonna tell a story about you know whatever. But I just want to say this video that I pulled up. The reason I saw it is because Kurt Angle is trending, so it looks like it's some sort of fight video. I'm guessing somebody pulls out a Kurt Angle move. I'm guessing that's why it was trending with the name Kurt

Angle attached it. Fellow w W. E. Hall Famer of that's like the Randy Orton thing where everybody is getting the RHO. Yes, dog my little girl. Ow cute, it's a toy. It's she's a toy Maltese. Wow. Ah, she's so cute? Is that bushwhacker? Doggie? I used to have great Danes and New Foundlands, which are you know what a great Dane is? Ya? Now, now I've got a little sixy Lexi six pounds's Lexi? Yeah? You just carry her around everywhere? Uh, you just have to carry her

around everywhere? Yeah? Yeah, she's would you bring her to the ring? The mascot crashes so cute? Well listen, Luke, good luck on all your upcoming ventures and signings, And I really hope I bump into you somewhere because you're you're delightful. Yeah, I'm heading out to Dallas in a few hours. Are you crue? It's it's the Eve Fury. Yes. If you look at the card, if you go to my Instagram and see the card, it's got Kevin Nash's load. Who are you working as long as the manager on

the show. It's a televised show. Yeah, Kevin Solivan works there too, doesn't he? Okay, And who are you working with tonight? No, No, I'm not. I'm not working. I'm doing just the signing. Okay, good, good. You've got a lot of people. They've got guys, you know, they run all the time, so they've got their own click with the champions and that it's not just when they bring everyone, and they've actually got a store of storylines going sure. Sure, okay,

Well that sounds like a fun appearance. Yeah it is, good guy, I know everybody, and I know the owner. Oh that's fine, you'll have a good time. Yeah. And hey, what's the name of the show. This is called Eyes up Here, Eyes up Here? Okay, eyes up here, up here? Your eyes up here. I was coming in for a boat and with them on, it had to be your eyes up here. And love love to be on your show.

And that all the fans out there, Bushwacker Loup. Check me out on Instagram, Facebook, Twittershwacker Luke and Bushwacker dot com website about t shirts, photos, rings, two fifteen Hall of Fame rings, and and and and all the action figures. Check folks, love your show and I've talked. Hope to see you down the road fencing absolutely safe travel sir, Thank you on my walkabouts. I'll tell you I love you. I can't wait to see you. Take care. Thanks Luke.

Adorable later And there's hes so cute yayble, Oh that's great. That dog put us over the top for s. That dog looks like a stuffed animal. See would you get that kind of dog? No, because you still have to walk them. And I'm in the same boat. I completely agree they're cute. If somebody else has it, If somebody else has if we can enjoy. But let's forget the dog. He is delightful. Yeah, what a personality on him. And seventy four he looks wonderful. You know, just I've really

enjoyed speaking with him. It's something about that WWF wrestler from that era, from that era brings the good memories out of everybody, especially when they're like to it. Just not I'm not going to discredit anybody who's not like that from that era. But this is a guy who we saw as the lovable, lovable babyface for him how many years and to have that kind of charm still it is. It's so awesome as a fan to watch

that is that is so great, all that enthusiasm. He was so adorable and you know that the backstory with e c W that that makes me so upset. That that really makes me upset because it's not the first time I heard something like that, you know, like, come on, I was there for seven years. I've heard a lot. Yeah. No, let me ask you this though. So is that Paul putting Dreamer in the hot seat by by making him have that phone call? Yeah? I mean Tommy was Paul's right hand man, so he took care of a lot

of business for Paul. So I I don't know. I just think it's pretty shitty, to tell you the truth, it could have been. Imagine that. Imagine the sheep Herders coming through E. C. W. Man telling me like I watched that match this morning, you know, and and I'm just when they came through the curtain because they had signed guy as their manager. Yeah, they had the Doubly shirts.

It was automatic booze. And that's what I was trying to tell him, like, no, you don't need six weeks to escent you had the heat as soon as you came through the current. Yeah. But that's his old school though.

But that's the old school, I know what I'm just saying, Like in this stay well in the nineties and that day and age, all you had to do was wear the heel shirt and boo, look at look at Rude, look at Sid, look at any of the WWF guys that normally you would think wouldn't get a big reaction because it's w W they're the they're the bad guy. We don't like them. That was instant boo. What could have been so depressing to think about it? Crazy? Yeah,

but he's he's delightful. So I'm glad we Yeah, I'm glad we got Now when I see him, I might just go and lick him. I don't know, maybe, well, I don't know. Maybe a rub a head rub. They also did the head rub. Oh I can do. Yeah, licking a person isn't really all right, Jenik, But well, well say goodbye then for this week. For me, it's at Chad E and B excuse me on Instagram and Twitter. I'd be exclusive is my website where all my autograph signings and things of that nature are going on. Please

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