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As always, I am joined by the who Who's Chad and Chad.
Happy New Year to you.
Happy New Year twenty twenty four.
Could you believe it? I cannot unreal. How's your New Year ago?
It was great? Yeah, I think it was wonderful. But you know what I got to feel in twenty twenty four is gonna be the year of Eyes up Here.
It's a little line.
What do you think about that?
Well, tell it you didn't know it? Yeah, I think it's good. I think I'm excited about it.
I had a great New Year's Eve I did signed by Superstars. That was crazy and if you didn't watch it, you missed out. It's always a party over there. The third year in a row that I did it.
We sold a lot of March nott.
A eight x tens, drank a lot of booze.
It was a good time.
So my favorite part is just going in and out. So I'll check in and you'll be like going off about one thing and laughing hysterically, and then I'll tap out for a couple of minutes and come back. It'd be the exact same thing when you go back.
Yeah, and I'm just a little more shift faced than I was five minutes prior.
So it's always a good time.
I like it, and so we'll probably do it again next year.
But it's good.
So happy twenty twenty four everyone. We had such a good response to last week's podcast about Tommy Sitch and her last interview, we decided to do a second part and we only got through about sixteen minutes because I was so fired up and I had so much to say. So I don't know how much we'll get through today, but we're going to try to finish it off. And you know, I'm glad that everybody enjoyed it.
Yeah, there's a lot to learn. This is definitely not as like this is a little more light, which I think we need a little bit of levity in between the craziness that is this story, which we'll it's going to tap back into it towards the end of it, but this next portion, at least you got there's a little more context to the relationship you guys had, which I think is super important to learn as we also dive back into this topic again, is your relationship with
her and the not even reship, the friendship that you guys had. This is where I think we're gonna we're learning a little bit more about that.
And this is where the backlash started after we posted this, because people were like, how could you sit there and laugh and tell stories? And it's like, you know, at this point, again, I'm gonna say it, the Florida incident did not happen. Okay. I never made light of anything that happened prior. I told her fifty times how wrong she was and how we're going to get on the straight and narrow and blah blah blah. So I didn't
want this whole interview to be doom and gloom. I this was the first time I sat down with her and did something like this, so I thought it would be nice to give a backstory and to tell the fans how we developed our relationship and things that we did together, and to let people see the bond that we formed and the friendship that we created. I didn't think there was anything wrong with that, but apparently a lot of people did, and I got a lot of
people on YouTube when we aired this. A lot of people just hammering me for, you know, posting something light hearted in this interview when I should just be focusing on how horrible a person she is, and why am I sitting here laughing with her and having a good time.
So, I mean, you can be the judge of that. I just thought it would.
Be nice to just explain, because you know what, when you have a friend on, that's what you do. How did we meet? Do you remember the first time we met?
You know?
Do you remember when we first worked together? I just didn't want it to be all negative and again I thought she was on the straight and narrow. I thought this was going to be a turning point for her and things were going to be great and she was going to come back strong. That's what I had hoped. I mean, I'm not not tredamus. I don't know the future, you know. I I couldn't have predicted what happened. What was it six months after this interview was taken place,
or however long it was like, I didn't know. So of course I'm going to try and turn it into a positive direction, and I'm going to try to get some good stories in there that I thought people would enjoy, so you can be the judge.
Well, we have an update too on her status since we recorded this part one, there is an update. I guess we could save that to the end of this viewing and kind of go over it. But there's actually, I mean, there's really been two updates since the recording of that first part, so we can dive into that afterwards, since we've already kind of built this little piece up. But ok yeah, I'm ready to dive into it if you are.
Yeah, let's go.
All right, So again, if you need to stop me, raise your hand or say schmuck, oh stop the tape.
I'll just raise my hand.
Okay, please thank you for not insulting me. I appreciate that.
Es.
Actually, the New Year knew me. I was gonna say New Year that we just will go in the right direction.
Okay.
Well, I was thrilled when I heard you were done. Yeah, and because you know you and I. I mean, I don't even remember what year we met, but I remember the first night I met you.
I don't know if you remember the first night we met, but I do.
It was at the arena and I was I don't know who I was walking with, but I.
Was like, walking this way.
You were walking this way, okay, And I remember everybody warning me about you, don't be friends with her, don't be friends. I didn't know you, so I didn't know. And you know, for me, I have to like, I take it with a grain of salt. But if you're good to me, I to you.
That's the way I look at things, right me too.
So you're coming this way, and all in the back of my head, I just keep hearing don't be friends with her, don't be friends with her. And you leaned over to me as were walking, and grabbed my arms.
And was like, I've been wanting to meet you.
And I said, and I've been wanting to meet you, and and we were we kind of said let's get together later because we were both doing something like I don't know if we were doing.
We were doing something, okay, And and I like, I kept walking, and I said, she doesn't seem that bad, do you know what I mean? Like, if you were such a bitch, why would you.
You know I am, but not to everybody.
But we're all a bitch in a sense. We all have our bitchy moments.
But I mean we I thought we clicked right then and there, and from that night on we've been friends ever since.
Yeah, okay, so.
That happened one percent. I remember it like it was yesterday. The anxiety that the boys gave me about this girl was ridiculous. Every single person was like, you're not gonna like her. She's gonna come in and she's a spot stealer, she's she's im for that, you know your position, and
she'll she'll sleep with your boyfriend, like the whole nine yards. Like, I don't think there was one person, only Chris, because obviously, you know, Chris loved her, and you know, Chris was like, oh, I can't wait for her to meet you, and blah blah, blah blah. Every single other person in that locker room had nothing nice to say about Tommy. Negative, negative, negative, And I was just like sitting there like wow, all these things like I'm gonna hate this girl. I'm probably
gonna hate her. But I tried to keep an open mind, you know, because, like I said, I judge a person by the way they treat me. And I've heard terrible things about people in the past, like what people did to other people, but these people were good to me and they never crossed me, so, you know, being I think I'm a good judge character for the most part. But with Tammy up until like this whole debacle happened,
we never fought. We never had anything bad to say about each other, Like there were no ill will whatsoever. I love this girl and got.
Along with her.
Never once did she stiff me. Never did I stiff her, worked wonderful together, like, never had a problem, not once. So every single person who buried her to me, in my opinion, I mean, maybe they were trying to look out for me, I don't know, and maybe they had negative interactions with her in the past, but I never did. And I will say that every single time I talk about this girl, there was not one thing that I can say negative about her.
Prior.
So let's just put that out there.
And this is before she's full blown there, correct, This is just when she's coming as Chris's girlfriend Beyonce.
She might have been starting with us at this point. I don't remember, And maybe maybe she wasn't like I would assume. I would have met her a couple of times she came in to just hang out, so maybe this was just she was hanging out. I don't remember if she actually did anything like I remember one night she was like I think she was wearing that had said on the in the Eagle's Nest, like on the.
Top helping Paul. I don't I don't.
Maybe I don't know, but she wasn't like part of the locker room per se. And I don't know if at this point she was released, because I think she was. She was coming when she was I think she was still working, yeah, and she would come and I don't know how she got the time off, but there were times, so it must have been before she was even with us.
Yeah, she she said she help Paul at the pay per view. She helped Paul barely legal in ninety seven, and I don't believe they released her until mid ninety eight.
So yeah, so it had to be before she was active with us. But I mean even still, like you hear all this stuff, and you know, I don't know what she did behind closed doors, but that didn't affect me, right, I that was none of my business I had. You know, whatever they were doing in private was their business and it wasn't my business. So you know, if she came in and I had a boyfriend and she slept with my boyfriend that it would have been my business. But
I didn't care what she was doing. It didn't affect me. I wasn't included in that. So and again a lot of those stories, were they true, were they not true? I don't know. You hear so many stories. And the reason why I say that is there's stories about me that aren't true. So I don't know what's true and what's not true about Tammy. I honestly, I couldn't care less at this point. That doesn't affect me. What I focused on was the kind of person she was, how I interacted with her, how we got along.
And I can honestly.
Say one hundred she became like a sister to me, because that's how close we were at one point. And you know, I enjoyed my time with her in the ring and outside of the ring, all.
Right, picking a bag up, And I.
Always tell people, like everybody's like, how is Tammy.
I'm like, look, I've been friends with her for twenty something years, Like I love the girl. I loved working with her, I loved her outside of the business.
I've never had an argument, like a real argument with you.
I don't think we've had her.
No, like we've bickered about stupid bullshit, but nothing but not like.
A fight, not like you have.
No we've ever been mad at each other, you know what I mean. But it's never come to that. And all these people.
Like, I don't know why you have such a bad reputation.
I think because when it comes to business, I can be a real bitch because I don't let people walk all over me. But that's a good thing, yeah, because what I used to have to do a lot and you were probably there at some shows like with Chris. You know, he was a horrible businessman, nicest guy in the world, but he would let people screw him over left and right. He would take a show with a guarantee of let's say seven point fifty, and the promoter
will walk up, Hey, listen, I only have three hundred. Okay, that's all right, and I'm like, no, that's not okay.
Right.
I would have to get in the promoter's face and demand the money and get bitchy, and he would get paid. So I got that reputation of being, you know, in the business just because I don't let people walk all over me or him.
But there was I want to ask a question about that. Do you think that's all that had to do with that reputation was being the heavy for Chris when he got underpaid.
No, And while she was saying that, it brought me back to when we interviewed Bubba or bully Ry or whatever you want to call him, he said the same thing. It's like, I said to him, why do you have such a negative, you know, rep And he was like, well, when it comes to promoters, I don't let them take advantage of me. Now I understand that about promoters, but you know, I wanted to kind of dive into like personal too, but then I was just like, Okay, I don't want to push things, you know.
What I mean?
Because there's a lot of the boys that didn't like him, so to speak. But whatever, a lot of the boys didn't like her, and I think that stems back to
the way she treated Chris. And I use my air quotes because again, allegedly all those stories that are out there, you know, a lot of people said Chris tolerated it because he was so in love with her, and that goes back to like the click and the Shawn Michaels stuff, and you know, having her in Sean's locker room and having I don't know if it was Kevin Nash or Sean Waltman. Somebody watched the door and then Chris would like walk by and she'd be in that locker room.
I wasn't I didn't work for them. I wasn't there. So I you know, are these stories true, are they not true? I don't know. But a lot of the boys didn't have respect for her because they had so much respect for Candido, and they didn't like the way that she treated Chris. So I understand what she's saying business wise, just like I understood what Bubba was saying
business wise. And honestly, if a promoter says I'm gonna pay you seven fifty, he should pay you seven to fifty, whether there's one ticket sold or one thousand tickets sold. You know, like we never go if you worked at Low's and you're supposed to make thirteen dollars an hour but they didn't sell anything, and you think that guy's gonna come and say, well, I'm only gonna pay you six dollars an hour.
No, that's not the way it works.
You know, this business is crazy because people think they can adjust your prices. If you agree to something, you should get that money. So I one hundred percent agree with Tammy on that, and maybe that's why promoters didn't like her. I do know Chris.
Was like that.
He was wishy washy because he loved working. He would have worked for free, but that's not how you make a living, you know. And Chris would have been out on the road every weekend working for peanuts, while you know, Tammy wants the money. And I'm on tammy side for that because I'm not going to go out and I'm not going to take anything less than what you offered me. So one hundred percent I'm on her side with that.
But I do.
Feel like it's not everything. That's not the full reason. That's just a little bit. And maybe that's just the promoter part of it.
So I'm just picturing her getting heavy on dapper Johnny Falco up there in Central Jersey.
Look, she said it. She could be a real bitch, and when it comes to money, I think, you know, that brings out a different side of people. And I'll fight for what I believe in and I could be a real bitch too, And I'm sure you could be a real bitch if it comes down to it. Yeah, I mean, if your promise something, you should get it. It's just common courtesy. It's just the way it is.
So you know, when when think of it this way, if you're the promoter, it's just like when they send a deposit out and then oh, I don't feel like showing up, which I've never done that, by the way, but you know, I'm.
Just going to keep the money. Is that right?
No, that's one hundred percent wrong. So coming in for seven fifty but getting paid three hundred dollars, that's like four hundred and fifty dollars.
That's not there, right, Yeah, that's a big that's a big chunk.
Yeah, it's it's like it's wrong on both accounts. Like wrestlers have been wrong with promoters, but more so, promoters have tried to screw wrestlers over for years and it's just bad business. So I applaud Tammy for wearing the pants in that relationship when it came to getting.
His money agreed all right, picking back up.
So many people I had to get in their face at shows because they didn't they were trying to, you know, cut his money because they.
Sort of worked for Yeah, Chris would work for free, like he just loved the business so much it he could have had a.
Twenty thousand dollars guarantee, and of the guy would say, hey, listen, I can't pay it, and I can I get you next year, because he'd be like, yeah, no problem, and it's like no, So I would have to be the voice. So I got that reputation of being a bitch. But when it comes to you, when it comes to business, business is business, and you're not going to screw me or anybody. I love over but you know, but other than that, I think I'm pretty easy going.
I listen, we've worked together so.
Many times, I know, and there was never a moment where either of us got hurt.
No, we after our asses off under our air.
Pop off.
Oh my god, do you remember that? Yes, Chad, do you know what she's talking about?
I think we have talked about it before, but.
Please we so, Tammy and I frequented the Fetish Factory and.
Yes, oh I was just there last year and then it's not there anymore.
I was gonna say, I don't think it's open anymore.
For it it was it was this place.
It was expensive too. I don't know how we found it, but we found it.
I thought we just drove by it and saw it and said, oh, let's stop bondage.
Yeah.
We thought it'd just be like cool clothes, and it was a whole bondage store.
Yeah.
It was like sex stuff. It was.
It was this crazy masks, like zippers across the mounts.
Like gas mask and they had whips and changing.
But remember when you first walked in there were the butt plugs. Were like there were so many crazy things.
Yeah, so here we go, Chad like, she and I think we're gonna find some cool clothes for work. And we go in and sa all this bondage stuff. We're like you guys, like, hey, ladies, how you do? And we're like it was such a creep too. So so Franny's looking through this rack of rubber clothing and she finds this awesome dress and the dress has a full zipper up the front and a full zipper.
Up the back.
I didn't find anything I like, but she's like, I have to have this dress. It was four hundred dollars to four hundred dollars for a rubber dress.
It was like a murder. It was a gown. It was a murmaid.
Yeah, it was long, long time.
Yeah, it was long.
Wasn't it like a reddish color?
It was red? Yes, it was hot red. It was like a red lipstick, like I what the call? Yeah, devil red.
So she buys this dress.
I bought this dress and I bring it to the arena and Paul says, well, you're only doing a run in tonight, and that's the only dress that I brought that day. And I was like, well, shit, you know this, I'm gonna waste the four hundred dollars dressing like this five second running that's gonna suck. Well, little did I know that that clip would make it ten shows. We had.
We had to run in on Bam Bam Bigelow. Yeah. I don't even remember the setup, but please, I don't remember the whole thing. But we had to run in on bammer and I ran in first, and he basically just scooped me up onto his shoulder like for his finish. Then you come running in and he's supposed to scoop you up on his other shoulder first finish. He's supposed
to have both of us up here. Now I'm already up on his shoulder, you know, flailing in the breeze, you come running, you put one knee upon the apron to get up. Back zipper popiack whole thing you see, no.
Braw one and I have the microthong. Yeah.
So this dress you couldn't wear a bra with it. And I had on the tiniest song I think I ever worn my life, not thinking that it.
Was going to pop off, and it was.
It was legit rubber, like rubber, like a tire rubber. It was one of the tightest outfits I've ever worn in my life. When I went to get up, the zipper did pop open because I think instead of I think, it zipped downward instead of zipping upward. So the way I put my leg up, the zipper just went up
and went out. So it looked like I was wearing an apron that wasn't tied, so the whole If you saw me from the back, I was almost completely naked except for this tiny thong, and I made sure to hold the front against my breast because I didn't have a brown Bam BAM's face was pure terror.
It just looked at me like what is going on? And I just looked at him.
I was just like just I think I said something like just me up. I was mortified, mortified, and like I remember jumping, you know, getting on his shoulder and looking at Tammy and she just said you're naked, and I was like I know.
And you could see.
Us hysterical laughing as were, and then Shane comes out and he drops us. He Honest to god, I think it was played for ten weeks straight, like ten weeks ago, and you see WTV.
Here I come.
When I went into the back, I got a standing ovation. I was mortified, absolutely mortified, and I don't think I ever wore that dress again. So four hundred dollars down the dream honestly terrible.
We agreed with a towel.
No, I was literally just kind of like holding I was trying to hold the dress in place, you know, and maybe Atlas helped me cover me. I don't even remember how I got out of the arena that day, but good lord, that was like one of the it's the pile driver. When my boobs actually came completely out. That was like the worst malfunctioned wardrobe malfunction I've ever had in my life. It was so bad, crazy, and it's one. It's got to be on YouTube.
I think I've seen it, yeah, on Twitter shared, No, probably fairly recently.
So yeah, I think somebody, I think they did tweet to me because I said worst wardrobe malfunctioning.
Whoa the driver is the worst one.
I was like, oh, thanks for reminding me about that one.
Too, terrible. So yeah, so that's that's what we're talking about here.
Like me, pick a back up, Yeah, gets in the ring, gets up to Bammer and as he's picking her up, onto her shoulder front zipper pops open.
No no no, no no no yeah.
And you're starting to hold it closed. And I'm already up on his shoulder and I look over and I just lost it. I just know you your name kick.
Laughing and bam BAM's face like he looked like he shipped a brick in his pants, like he didn't know what to do.
And I was here, we are, but both them Bambam's shoulders supposed to be afraid for our life. He's about to kill us at think or just crack up. She's naked on his shoulder with a little piece of rubber like she's trying to cover her boobs with the rubber the whole back time.
The sime Ever wore that four hundred dollars dress.
Thank god, because what happened again, that is awful.
You know what my favorite spot is I think that we ever did. I think it was in Buffalo. I think it was the Burt Flickinger Center. I don't know why this is popping in n I don't remember the name of that ever, the Burt Flickinger Center, because it had it was a cool building and it had like the bleachers went all the way up, but the entrance way, the entranceway was in the middle, and then there were
two bleachers here. And I don't remember the match at all, but I remember for some reason, I went to the back and we worked it out before and you and Chris were supposed to grab me. Shane is still in the ring, and I remember saying to Chris, go get a knife.
Do you remember this, No, they aired it. I said, get some kind of a.
Knife, even if it's a butter knife, because it'll be hysterical, I said. And and like Tammy, or you can hold me and the other person can put a knife to my throat.
I don't remember this.
Oh yeah, and we did it. And it aired.
Oh my god, this must have been one of the drunk years.
Don't.
Well.
I went back and then we come out and Joey's like, oh my god, Chris and Sonny.
You have fancied it. And it's like, I'm gonna good job.
I'm gonna have to watch this clip.
I don't remember a minute.
When she says this month must have been one of the drunk years. Like I can honestly say I've never worked with her while she was in nibriyant It in the ECW.
Never.
The only time I saw her like they said she was drinking was for wew Okay. And that was the night and it was reported all over the internet. That's the night that she was supposed to drive myself and Cindy. Cindy snow she was supposed to Bobcat. She was supposed to drive us back to our hotel. And you know,
it was were we at the Electric Factory. It's not the best neighborhood, and so we're in this parking lot in our gimmick clothes and Tammy's never showing up right, and we're just standing there and it was like for forty minutes, we're like where the hell is this girl?
And that's the night.
And I don't know if you ever heard the story that she they found her wandering in the graveyard.
Yes, I ever heard that she was drunk.
And wandering around.
And thank god, I think it was either Stephen DeAngelis or maybe it was Ronnie Lang.
They were like, girls, what are you doing? You're in your gimmick clothes. We were like, we were.
Supposed to get picked up by Tammy, but now we don't know where she is and nobody knew, Like we didn't find out what happened to her until the day after.
So like that whole night, I'm pissed off. I'm like, I.
Can't believe she left me here in this parking lot, in my gimmick outfit, in this bad neighborhood, like.
You know, very.
Scared, very alone. It was dark, it was like eleven thirty at night, and yeah, that's what happened to her. And then we got not a fight but a disagreement because she swears that I told her she was getting paid five hundred dollars right I had booked her. I mean it was like maybe two three days before the show, and it was Dan Kahle and dance like the only thing left in the budget is one hundred and fifty bucks.
And I told her. I was like, they have one hundred and fifty dollars and she's like, well, that's better than nothing. And I said, okay, come on down, you know. And then she's like, where's my five hundred dollars. I was like, what five hundred dollars? I never said five hundred dollars, so, you know, little little disagreement. But I think the girls were like, she's drinking vodka and I was like, I don't know. So if you watch the tape of that night, I think like people were saying
she was slewing her words and stuff like that. But that's when she disappeared and they found her in the graveyard.
A place to be found. Now, maybe she just hit it very well. Maybe she was drinking and just hit it.
Never yeah, I never knew if she was, you know. I mean, I know they were taking pills because back then, the somas were the thing, and the Soma shakes, and I never took suma's, Like, don't time I ever took some is I think in my life. It was that story that I told when we were at the tens and she put like four or five of them in my hand and dummy me. I was drunk and I was like, oh yeah, and I took them. But that's
the only time I've ever taken them. And thank god, you know, I woke up the next morning like a good lord, you know who takes those things like that? But that's what they were taking. So I didn't really know about the drinking at this point, but apparently, like later on in life, she told me, like, yeah, I took pills, she said, but I loved I'm an alcoholic.
I love my drinks.
Terrible. And we will pick this one up after these messages. All right, get ready to pick it back up here. We are going to wrap up the fun year or the fun times of ECW before we move into the next part. So I'm gonna let it play here for another minute and let me know if you need me to sid.
In.
Like, it was never work, like I always tell people, I never felt like I was at work or at a job right because it was always fun. It was never a chore. Even if I had an early flight, I didn't care. I the cantym was on when.
I got home.
I couldn't wait to go back, yeah, and see everybody and hang out and work because it was just a good time, man.
And that's the one thing.
I mean, you know, you worked all over the place, and I've never had that feeling anywhere else. It's never been the same, and I've never even come close to it.
And it was a lot of fun being on the road at that time with that crew because everybody it was kind of like a big happy family and everybody kind of looked out for each other rights and stuff like that. Yeah, sure, you know, but we always we always managed.
To have some kind of fun. It was never felt like work, No, not at all. I mean when the checks were bounced and that.
Sucked, that sucked, yeah, yes, but we were still enjoying ourselves as much as.
We could so making the best of it.
Absolutely.
But but I've said it, you know, I've said for the last twenty five years or whatever, I've always enjoyed you always.
I can't.
There's not a bad thing entering out of the ring that I can say, you know what I mean, Personally, our connection it's always been strong. I'm thrilled that things seem to be going right for you because they were now Yeah, and I always you know, I say, people want to see you fail?
Of course they and it bothers me. And it's like, why would you wish something like that on someone?
Because people are assholes. There's so many people in the world, you know what I mean. They don't like to see someone succeed. They like misery loves company, and people love to see people fail.
Well I don't. I like to see my friends thrive. And I want you to thrive. I want you to blossom. And and you know you you've been caged up for so long, the last I don't even know how many.
Five years of probation in and out for stupid ship.
Yeah right, but that's all done.
It's all done as they have no control over me, and that can't get in trouble for you know, anything anymore. So it's good. And I'm not trying any So it's not I don't drink anymore. I don't drink any more, drinking driving anymore. So you're focusing on you, Yes, I'm looking at look at me.
You're focusing on you, okay, because we've talked about this earlier.
I saw a tweat from you that that I'm very.
Haunting words by one Queen of extreme This irritates me.
I just got chills listening to this. This This is really really irritating because you can see I'm trying to get a point across, you know what I mean.
Like you can see.
I'm not just being like, Okay, Tammy, blah blah blah. I'm stopping her and saying, Okay, this is what you need to do, you know. And what I'm referring to is, you know, make good choices, pick good men, no more drinking, stick to it, you know what I mean, Like even if you had to join a program. I know she went to like the rehabs and the sober house and all that, but apparently that didn't work for her, you know. And I said it before, it's who you run with.
It's the gang that you're with. And she just had a tendency to just pick the worst friggin men. It's just I don't know, man. And and then people got mad at me for saying that, Well, you can't blame the people that she was with. You have to blame her. I do blame her in a sense, but it's it's who you run with too. You have to have a
support system, a good support system. And you know, I wasn't with her twenty four to seven, and from her talking to me there, I honestly thought, she's not gonna drink. This is great. She's gonna never go to jail again. I believe that for her. So at this point, do I have to check in with her every five minutes to make sure she's okay? I didn't think so. And I think anybody watching this can tell she looks healthy. I mean, don't you think so?
Yeah?
I thought she you know, she looked great and very healthy, and she seemed I mean, I didn't like the way she kept downgrading, like I got arrested for stupid shit. No, it's not stupid. Everything that you did justifyed you being arrested. Like let's you know, let's call Spada spade there. Okay, I don't agree with what she said there. I did honestly think that this was it for her and things were going to go really well. And you know, she
was just telling me, and you'll hear it. She was telling me all this good stuff that was happening and how much money that she accumulated, and she sent me pictures of her apartment and it was just gorgeous and overlooked New York City, and I mean, everything was going great.
I don't know, it just.
Turned so hearing this really gets under my skin and it makes me so upset because I would have bet money that she was going to be okay. And do you know how many people said, oh, just wait for it, she's going to screw up, just wait for it. Oh yeah, my friends, friends that mutual friends, Oh, she's gonna screw up. And I'm like, don't say that, Like say a prayer for you know, hope for the best. Oh, hope for the best, expect the worst. And I'm just like, good lord,
everybody was saying she was going to fail. I didn't talk to anyone who thought positive about her at this point, and I'm not you know again, I'm not trying to be a martyr. I'm not trying to say I'm the only one who believed in her. But it kind of seemed like it at the time, you know. And I
remember when really quickly. I remember when we were in our hotel room at Russell Caid and we were just getting ready, you know, putting our makeup on or whatever, and we were talking about having best friends, and she was like, well, who's your best friend? And I said, oh, Betty. And I was telling her, you know, because Betty and I have been friends now, I don't know, eight years, nine years, something like that. And I was just telling her how great Betty is and how she's my sister
and how close we are and blah blah blah. And she looked at me and she's like, I need a Betty in my life and I don't have anybody in my life like that. I was just like, well, I said, you got me, and she's like, yeah, but I don't get to see you and you have the kids and your husband and it's different and you know, and I got where she was coming from. But when she said that, that made me sad because it's like she's admitting to me she doesn't have one person that she can count on,
you know what I mean. Yeah, And that's that's sad. That's that's a sad revelation. So you know, I I do have obligations. I am a mother, I am a wife, I have my kids. I can't just drop things and run to her every minute of the day. I can't go places like she wanted me to travel with her all the time, like, let's go let's go.
To Hawaii, Let's go here, let's get it.
I can't if I was single.
Yeah, sure, you.
Want to pay for my trip to Hawaii, I'll go to Hawaii. But I can't just leave at the drop of a hat. When you're a parent, your first responsibilities to your children, and plus my mom was.
Alive, Right, that's the big one, because you were much more limited.
I couldn't do anything back then. And even still nail like I want to just pick up and leave my kids for a week.
I don't do that.
If we do anything, we take the kids with us, you know. So it broke my heart to hear her say that she didn't have a best friend like that, and that made me sad. But again, you you know, when you repeat something over and over and it's just a negative thing and you don't learn from it, who do you blame. You have to blame the person. You have to take some responsibility for that.
Right, And we're going to dig into here a little bit of her OnlyFans success that she was really I mean, I mean not on the ground floor of but she was one of the biggest names I think to show see success in the way she did, because it was like every day somebody was talking about, hey did you see this post that Tammy put up about her only fans? Or hey did you see she's given out this preview
of her only fans. And for the years and years of speculation of was she going to do some sort of adult content to then being like all in on it, we kind of dive into it in this next little piece here, which to me is if she decided to stay on that straight and narrow path. I mean I showed her to think how much money she really could have made sticking with that.
Yeah, And I feel because she was like one of the first mainstream wrestling girls who went this rail, Like a lot of the girls had sights, but she was really gun ho about it and she was doing more than others, let's just put it that way, yes, And I mean at one point, I think she had like one hundred grand in revenue in a short amount of time, a very short amount of time. So you know, it's it's like and I kept telling her, like, you have
all this money, don't drive do ubers. You can afford ubers, Like if you relapse and you're drinking and you know you have to do something. Call an uber. You can afford the fifty bucks.
Yeah, all right, I'm gonna pick it up from here.
Strigued about I think you know what it is. But if you don't, it's about your only fans, because you're back on only fans.
Now.
I did only it's amazing, it's only I did it.
And it was a disaster, I can just tell you, because I don't show the goods and people got mad at me. And you know, it was five months of a lot of bagging and a lot of and it just didn't It wasn't me right.
But you're you're you're doing wonderful.
But I saw a recent tweet looking for co stars male or female?
What the fuck is going on? What are you?
And is this I'm gonna have to this.
Is this a gimmick? What? What is?
What are you offering to these people?
Because you're basically talking to the fans right now right? What what is the What is the If I respond and I say, Hey, Tammy, I'm a forty nine year old female.
I get well, I'm just saying what what are you writing me back? What are you offering me?
I am offering my members? Well A one member.
You have to be a member.
You have to be a member. And I'm not going to just pick somebody off the street. I mean, when these people are subscribing, you know what I mean. So I'm gonna let one of them have the chance. Yes, okay, so one person to be in a photo shoot. Okay, not necessarily saying that all kinds of crazy shit's gonna happen. Sure be at the goddamn zoo looking at the lions, you know what I mean, who knows, you know? But I think that I think the Internet has taken it
and run with it with their own story. It's not like I'm looking for a like sexual co star kind of thing giving someone an opportunity to be in some pictures.
Okay, all right, look I I well, first of all, this is a great platform to promote it, to get some more members.
But I've already been sent some links to some Internet sites that were like taking it and running with it. Well, they always do like I'm casting for a porn own.
Yeah, I mean, you could work, and they would.
They would put the story as you know, she's got, she's got, you know.
Diase, there's someone ever, Oh my god, I think.
At this stage, she was only doing maybe nude photos.
I don't think so. I think she was still doing everything.
She wasn't doing the pornography with the boyfriend, because this is what led to I think him coming on with her.
Yeah, possibly, possibly.
So maybe she was doing solo stuff.
I don't believe that was going on the whole time.
Okay, I see, I don't know. I didn't see her page. What I did see was the rate the dick pic thing, rape my penis or whatever they called it. She did those in the hotel and people would literally either send in a photo or a video of their member and she would be like, Hey, this is w w E Diva or what she Hall of Famer sonny, and uh, you know, I'm here to rate your dick blah blah blah.
And then she'd be like, for a girth, it's a.
Four point five, it's too and then she'd give an analysis at the end. You have to work on this and maybe fluff it before you send me the next picture. Okay, I see later and blow kiss. And I think they were paying like maybe twenty five dollars a pop, and she was getting all these guys sending.
Her these pictures.
Now, if you're a small guy. I mean, well some guys are into that, though, guys the rate them, I mean, I you know. But yes, she was making like we were watching I think we were watching a movie and I'd heard ding and she'd go, oh, got to do this video. Hold on, it takes two seconds.
And she'd literally be like hey, blah blah blah, and I'm like how much.
Oh, I just made twenty five dollars and I'm like, ah, okay, and it kept going off. So she was making money hand over foot with this gig. And again, I don't throw stones. If you're comfortable with doing this, then more power to you. I was not. I was a nervous wreck on there. I got a DM and I would freak out. I'm like, oh my god, I'm afraid to open it, like what is in there? It just wasn't my cup of tea. So I'm not looking down on people for doing this. It's just not something I wanted
to do. But for her, she was flourishing with this stuff, and she would she would text me like pictures of her bank account and like all the money she was making. And in ten days I made X amount of dollars and I'm like, ten days, what crazy? It was crazy money, crazy money.
Now I remember, I remember the promotion. It was pretty pretty out there.
Yeah, And some people would say, well, is it worth your integrity?
Is it worth your dignity?
I mean to some people, I guess it is. To me it was, And again, different story. I'm a parent, I'm a mother, I got children. I don't want to do that type of content, so it's it's different. But for I guess for a single female who didn't have anybody and you know, was okay and comfortable with showing their body, she was, oh my gosh, she was making.
So much money.
Yeah, so money wasn't the problem here for her.
Everything else was. It was never money. She always had.
She was always comfortable at this point until the ship hit the fan.
All right, Well we'll get into the wrap up portion here in the final comments. All right, so here we go, pick it back up.
We got to sit down. It's been a while since we at that money really talked.
And you got the first podcast they usually got. You got the first one.
I broke the news about how jail's not really that bad still.
Like you know, it sucks, but when you're there, you just have to find ways to make the best of it. Yeah, well you I'm on the phone all you know when if I'm not at work, I'm on the phone all day. Or I'll play cards, or I'll watch TV. And oh god, I read thirty two Michael Connolly books while I was there. Who's my your favorite author? But you know, you just like it's it does suck, but you just have to make the best of it.
Can you go on the internet when you're there?
No, we didn't have internet. Some some places do, but we didn't.
Yeah, and you don't have a phone, right they take your phone?
Oh yeah, you can't have a cell phone. There's actually but the only thing you can use this old fashioned payphones and they're only like polls and like order that. Like, no, you don't put quarters in everything's like like a you can need to call collect or put money on a debit account and its so Yeah, it's just a lot of phone calls and a lot of reading and television and if you if you're lucky enough to get a job,
that keeps you busy. But yeah, jail sucks. You Just like like I said, you just have to learn how to make the best of it, right, and then there's commissary food you can order and buy, so you can get like food and you can cook and make different things. And yeah, so I did that a lot. I spend a lot of money on commissary food because the food feed you is disgusting.
Well you have that only fans money to spend, so you buy lobs r g ol.
It's all good.
There's a limit one hundred and fifty dollars a week, so you have to really be careful.
Wow, yeah, but I was.
I was ordering like tuna packs, chicken packs, making you know, as much as I could doing, you know, doing what you can. We have a microwave so you can cook. So you just got to make the best of it and hope your time goes by fast. But luckily, no more, no more.
Okay, Well, I'm going to keep you in check.
I know you will.
I mean, strip can come out, obviously, but I honestly I'm thrilled that you're home and happy, and I just hope for nothing but the best. I hope bigger and better things come. And screw everybody who is a hater because oh.
Yeah, hey, you know what I always said, I love my haters because they're the best form of free publicity. The more they hate and the more they talk, the more it keeps your relevant. And they don't even realize it.
They want to.
They can hate as much as possible because if it keeps them talking, it just keeps your name out there. I got it, And they don't even realize that. The more they if they want to talk shit about OnlyFans or whatever, all it's gonna do is spark interest in somebody that hears it and say, ooh, what's this about, and they're gonna go on and subscribe. So hate all you want, right, I'm going to have you back on because you and I have a project.
I'm not gonna say what it is.
But besides the signing, we have a project coming up that I haven't announced it yet because I didn't even read my contract.
I don't even get either.
I'm gonna read it tonight. Yeah, let's read it tonight and compare notes on it.
But I think it's gonna be a lot of fun, and we're going to spend a significant amount of time together on that as well.
So that's that's a good time that I'm looking forward to.
But yeah, it's gonna be fun.
Thank you for choosing us to uh to break the news that.
Your ross is going to be so pissed because he always gets the first one.
Jim, Yeah, you can take the first one.
So he's kind of he's probably I'm probably gonna get a text from him being like, well.
Tell him I love him because he's a good man. But I love you. I love and yes, I know you do. And just stay on the the right path and and do good and be good and you will get good as.
Long as you don't get behind the wheel of a car.
I'm going to gouber your friend. It's in your phone. Just push the button. You'll be You'll be fine.
Oh that every time I hear that last line from her, I get the goosebumps wow, because that's exactly what happened, foreshadowing.
As Yeah, that's quite the uh oh my god, quite the look into the future with that comment. Now, obviously I don't believe the project you guys were working on came to fruition. But did that have to do with what happened with her or did it just fall through?
No, it was a movie. Okay, we were booked for a movie, the a Z movie. But a movie nonetheless, I decided to back out of I didn't like the contract that I was given and I didn't want to do it. We had another project we were supposed to do. We were doing a virtual together. We were supposed to do like a virtual from her apartment and sell like
a bunch of merchandise together. That never happened. A bunch of things we had bookings after this, and none of it happened because unfortunately, shortly after this was filmed, the Florida incident happened. So but honestly, like if you watch this, I believe that you can see that I was being one hundred percent genuine in everything that I said to her. It wasn't me blowing smoke up her ass, It wasn't
me trying to appease her. I feel like I was just trying to be a friend who loves her and is just trying to be a positive staple in her life at that point, because I honestly don't feel like she had a lot of positive.
People to fall back on, right Yeah, And that's.
Where I get so frustrated with all of this, and that's why I get upset, and you know, for her to be upset with me now because of the way I feel. If I ever saw her again, I'd say it again, it's because I love her. If I didn't give two crap or shits about her, I wouldn't feel the way I felt or the way I feel about her. I wouldn't care, you know what I mean. But I think because I care so much. This is why I'm
so frustrated. And if she can't see how much did I care about her and how much I love her, then, my god, I don't even know what.
Else to say.
It's tough love.
And it's again, I'm not appeasing. You know.
I can't enable somebody. I can't do it, and it makes me sick that this was the outcome. It literally makes me sick to my stomach.
So well, since I'm sorry, you're also since we recorded the part one, a couple of things came out earlier in the week. I believe it was the twenty one of December. Her public defender filed for a reduction of sentence. They appealed an appeal, yes, excuse me, an appeal for the reduction of sentence. Her mugshot or official prison photo was released.
Oh I didn't see that.
Oh you didn't see that. That was also that same day. Obviously, this is I'll show to you here, but you know you'll be able to see it if you google it. That's the official prison photo. But then another interesting thing yesterday it was as we're recording this, it was released that the official day of her release from prison is January seventh, twenty forty.
Wow, if she serves, if.
She serves the full max what she was sentenced to in November twenty forty. January seventh, twenty forty wow.
Feteen years though, that's that's more time, Okay, so it says here, wait, twenty twenty four.
It's a little over sixteen years, isn't it.
The sentence was for seventeen point six years after being found guilty in the death of seventy five year old Julian Lesson while driving under the influence.
Yeah, but she got credit for the time that she already spent in jail, so it came down to fifteen something.
I'm just reading what I have started.
Exact, but what I mean, it's it's a long time.
Well, that's the that was released that that was the official date.
So well, and then we don't know about the other new Jersey stuff or is it pa I don't even know.
It was both, but we don't know about any of that and how that could still come up. What we've learned through our legal process while posting a lot of these videos, she can still be brought up on those charges while incarcerated, and.
That that could add to it at the end. Yeah, good lord.
Oh my gosh.
Well, kids, do good. Just don't go to jail.
I'm telling you, we said in part one, you know you don't want to be able to learn so much about it, so stay out of there.
Yeah exactly. I mean, this is half the stuff she said. It sounds like a party is going on. But I'm telling you right now, I just don't think she was being one hundred percent honest. And it's a place that I never want myself for anybody that I love to experience. So it's heartbreaking all around.
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