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Today's episode features the top five ecw angles, the still hold up and five that age poor Lee, according to the sports website now the Sports.
Kir We disagree with them in the pant haven't we we have? Okay, there is this the one with the British guy that you were making fun of his voice.
More than likely they're all British guys.
I love the British. I love their accents, though I could listen to them all day long. Well, I will give my two cents if you know I disagree, and I assume you will do the same. But there's a lot of these guys out there that just will crap on the product and they don't get it. They don't get the angles we were trying to pull off. Or you know, the bumps we were trying to take, or the psychology. They just don't get it. So these writers
sometimes miss the mark. So curious to see what they think is good and what they think is crappy.
Yeah, I agree.
We've watched them on Patreon before and we've watched more of the videos.
This is going to be an.
Actual article, and this is also from twenty twenty, so you know, I don't know if the author of this article still still feels the same way. But in terms of something that you look at as being, you know, a discussable topic, ECW's been gone since two thousand and one. So the debate ended the moment the doors were closed.
So you, being the.
One who was involved in a lot of angles, and I'm sure watched a lot of the products, you are to me the best person to ask this. Now, let me ask you this. Take out any of the ones that you were in. What's like, what's one that just stands out to you before we dive into the list that just not a personal favorite, but just one that stands out to you as one that holds up.
Well. I mean, I think it was the worst angle we ever did, but the crucifixion angle. That one's will always stick out like a sore thumb to me because I absolutely, we positively hated it. I thought it was in poor taste. And in listening to this podcast, the one episode where ae W did something on Good Friday with the remember we discussed that as well, so they were trying to like redo an angle that we did years ago. I just think that was one of the
worst worst angles in wrestling history, and it's embarrassing. I'm so glad, you know, if they had asked me to be a part of it, I would have absolutely rejected it and said absolutely not. There's no way I would have done anything like that. And people can say, oh, again, it's just wrestling, or it's just an angle, but it's in poor taste. I think that that was one of the worst worst angles in the history, not even in ECW, in the history of professional wrestling. I absolutely loathed it.
Well, you know what, I'm not going to give you a spoiler per se, but I am going to jump ahead just a little bit just to show you that you and the sports there Greek because they're number nine aged poorly angle or their number two is raven and Sandman's crucifixion.
Yeah, I just didn't. And to even have like Tyler out there as a child, Like was he out there doing I can't even remember if he was part of this, but you know, there were kids in the audience, and it's just in it's just in poor taste. It was disgusting to me. And I know there's a lot of people out there who don't believe in religion and who are atheists, and that is fine, but when you are insulting the majority, you need to think twice about what
you're putting out. And this one was just a disgusting, cheap way to get some kind of reaction. And when you have people walking out and wanting their money back, there's a problem. I'm not saying the whole arena walked out, but there were people who were offended and stood up and walked down. I've never seen that happen at one of our shows before. It's the first time I've ever seen that happen. So yeah, this will never age well
in my mind. And when people say, like, what's the worst thing you guys ever did, I always say crucifixion.
Angle also cost you guys, Kurt Angle.
Oh yeah, he got pissed and walked out too. He was just like I'm out of here, which was probably the best thing he could have did, because we didn't have WWF's money at the time, and that's where he ended up. And look at the career he had.
That's that's great.
I just don't know how he would have fit, you know, and even when you see the footage of him in the ring, it just doesn't look right.
Well. I think I think he would have fit in fine because we had the Malenkos and the Eddie Guerreros and them as well.
In ninety five.
I'm talking about that ninety six on ECW or like at least ninety six ECW.
I can't see Kurt angle in there.
I see I can, because right than he was a I mean he he was a pure wrestler. He came from that amateur wrestling background and an Olympic gold medal. Like I, I just saw him as one of our top guys. I think Paul would have pushed him to the moon, but I just don't think that he would have had the money that he had over In fact, I know he probably wouldn't have had the money that
he had with Vince McMahon and WWF so. But I think it was a blessing for Kurt and it was a curse for us because I think we really had a missed opportunity by losing him. But I remember he was outraged, raged, and he was just like, what is going on? Where it's I was like, oh, okay, so you win some, you lose some, but it just you know, as a Catholic, Christian, Catholic, whatever you want to call it, I was highly offended by that angle. And I've said this so many times. I got it right in Paul's
face and was like, that was disgusting. You need to go and apologize. You need to get somebody out there and say they're sorry. And my god, when Scotty went out there, Raven, it was the worst apology I've ever heard. His heart was not into it, he did not want to do it. He was forced to do it. I'm not saying I was the one who got them to get him to do the apology, but I did make myself very vocal in saying that was the most disgusting
thing I've ever seen. I was so outraged and reluctantly Paul sent him out there so you know, you have a jew, Paul Hayman's Jewish, and Scottie and Sam Man is an atheist, so they had no dog in the fight in that and it didn't bother them, But my God didn't bother everybody else. And I was probably one of the only ones who had the balls to open my mouth and say, uh huh, not cool.
So I don't know, Yeah, kurd angle, you lost out on the kurd angle. Taz, you lost on on kurd angle.
Shane. You know, it's a.
Lot that we couldn't Yeah, because when like Shane and I stood with him before that angle happened, he seemed generally excited to be there, like you know, he seemed like he was ready to go and happy about being in the building and meeting everybody. And then once he saw what he said saw, he was gone, like whoever took him there is like, get me out of here, and that was it. And I was like, yeah, great, great going, Paul, way to go.
One of those what ifs, Yeah exactly, Lore, all right, so let's get back to the top of the count down here. So this is in the holds up column, okay, And I would one hundred percent agree with this, and I think you know the person in the picture pretty well. The angle that they have holding up very well is Tommy Dreamer and Raven and oh who I spy one point of extreme in.
The picture right nice Raven's return.
So they are saying that they put the Tommy Dreamer Raven angle as a whole at the top of this list, where the entire duration of it from start to finish, their feud going back being kids at summer camp, the inclusion of Beulah, the fact that Tommy could never beat Raven, the fact that took them till he he finally did beat Raven, and the loser leaves town match and then what happens, Oh Raven's back, then they're tag champs together,
the love hate relationship, your inclusion, then all the fighting in.
Between the three of you. It never stopped with this duo.
No, And I feel like part of the reason why this can hold up well is myself included in this. But people like when angles go longer than three weeks. We've talked about this, everybody flip flops anymore. Paul knew how to tell a story and make it last, you know, extend it and keep people wanting more, and because Tommy never beat Raven, the storyline could continue because there was always the chase, there was always the hunt. You know, Am I ever gonna beat them? I don't know, blah
blah blah. And the crowd was invested in it. And I had said prior my involvement, and then this wasn't my favorite angle. I didn't like the fact that they were fighting over me. I thought it was just like a continuation of what they did round one and here we have a different girl, Well, let's fight over her now. No, I didn't like that. I would have liked to have been incorporated, but some kind of creative way that didn't include a romantic love triangle because it had been done
already and it worked and people were into it. But for me, I just would have preferred it go a different route.
Yeah, no, I mean it's a I can see, like, you know, if they used you as like you know, you're the manager of the champions, somebody needs you in their corner rather than do the romantic angle.
But again, you know, of course it adds a dimension.
But I see exactly what you mean by it's just the retread of what they did.
I mean The difference with this one is I actually leave Tommy and I go to Raven. So that was the kind of mix up that we did to make it different than the first one. But and even still, I just didn't like the whole romantic love triangle. It was just I don't know, it was done already, and I just wanted it to go like a different way. And I would have loved just to do something creative with it that we didn't do prior. But you know, I just went along with what they told me to do.
So it's never a dreamer guy. I was all about Raven.
Yeah, didn't you wear a costume? What a mark? What a mark? Wow?
I was I was searching for an identity.
Hey, at least it was in high school and not now.
I don't know what were in your house now. You could be still walking around.
Looking they saw me in my house, I dressed to say, I do in the house as I.
Do when I'm on the show.
Okay, Oh, this is a good one, and I agree with this one. Whileheartedly holds up well, I would say, okay. Nineteen ninety seven invasion angle, Ah, the WWF, The WWF invasion angle of ECW Jerry Lawler, extremely crappy Wrestling, mister Monday Night RVD.
Would you agree with this one?
Yeah?
I think so. I think I think any organization right now can do something like this just to incorporate, like let's say, like it wasn't there supposed to be a working angle back in the day with AW bringing in TNA or Impact talent for a hot minute, you know, And that's just a way to get TNA talent over on a bigger platform, you know what I mean. And so I think it works. I mean, if if the two can come to agreement and work together, I think
it benefits both companies, it benefits the talent. So I think it's a good thing to do stuff like that. I'm not really sure nowadays, you know, people want to be associated with each other anyway. It just seems like there's a big war going on. Who can be number one, which we all know it's w W now forever, and what's their slogan then now forever it's always going to
be WWE. But I think joining forces and collabing, you know, two feds doing stuff like this, I think it's good for everyone, and I just think it helps the product.
It gets more eyes on both organizations. So when we did stuff like this, having Jerry Lawler come down and then mentioning us on you know, like Monday Night of Raw, it gave us more of a rub than and obviously it gave them because they didn't need it, But it was still beneficial for everyone, especially for like someone like Rob van Dam who later goes there and becomes a megastar, you know. And I just saw a video of Jerry and he had what did he have, like a stroke
or something. Yeah, and it, oh my god, it was breaking my heart. Like the lady was like touring his man cave and he was just walking around just you know, talking about the good old days and stuff. And I love Jerry Lawler. He's always been great to me. But what you know, when he came down. I remember when he came to E. C. Dub. We hardly even saw him like the one that I think he had like his own dressing area. He never came and sat with
us and stuff. Maybe he didn't like easy, I don't know, but it was always professional and it just I think it gave us an extra umph that we need it because it got more eyes on our product. So I think other companies could do it today and still good to go. It just helps everyone involved.
It goes back to so Paul appears on the WWF Live Wire show as a caller, right, that was like the first little crossover that they had.
Oh that was when Tammy was answering the phone.
Yes, yeah, and it was like you know he he was like, you know John and White Planes and they were like, no, this is Paul in Philadelphia, you know.
And Vince because Vince was on the show.
Then it was Dreamer, Paul and Sam Man in the crowd at mind Games, which was in Philly at the Spectrum.
And that's where they're holding up their tickets.
Yeah, that's where they had the tickets. And then Taz is in the crowd with a you know, Vince Fear's ECW sign right that. I think that was the next night. Then it was Jerry's lawler starts calling out ECW extremely crappy wrestling leading up to the raw. We've talked about it. It's on the YouTube channel. We're not going to dive into the full thing.
Again. It's a long story.
The raw you were not at where the crossover pay per view promotion was such a huge deal, where It went back and forth between WWF and ECW on a Monday night Raw at the Manhattan Center like nuts to lead to the picture we're seeing on our screen is actually when it switched over to Raw's War, they did it again where they did a debate between Paul Hayman and Jerry Lawler, where guys came back and forth, where there was another ECW crossover, which was an odd one.
It was RVD representing I think it was RVD or Sabou representing ECW taking on Triple Threat member Chris Candido. Do you remember that?
Not really?
Now he's in an ECW jacket. Okay, he is in his full fledged Triple Threat you know, dominance. He's a part of your faction. It comes out to the ECW theme song. Paul's on commentary mentions the Triple Threat, Chris holds up the three, but there's no you know I remember that. Yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting. So yeah you've ever seen that. That's something to check out. But it
was part of this invasion angle. But then, of course the big culmination is I forget the pay per view or the they're the the event at the arena where the lights go out, Jerry Lawler's in the ring. Yeah, the place goes frigging nuts, lights go out. Jim Cornett's in the ring, and it's one of the most memorable moments in ECW.
Is right right, yeah, so very cool?
Holds up? Sure does all right?
Now this one, this is not an angle. This is an incident.
Oh okay, so it's yes, it aged poorly because it was.
It was a it was a catastrophe at the time. It's a catastrophe now, but it's sure ain't an angle.
Mess transit mass transit. Yeah. I was there for that. Again, I did not watch it when it went down. I was in the locker room when it happened. But this, this is an example of you can't just let anybody talk you into doing something. This kid had no credentials. All we went by was what he was telling us. He lied about his age, he lied about working, he lied about everything. And I have no clue how he even got into negotiations that evening for working this match.
Like where do you did you ever hear? Like where we found this kid? Because I know his dad was in the audience and this was up in Boston. His father was there, His dad was there, so his father took him. But he wasn't the age that he said
he was. He wasn't an established worker. I don't know if he came early and was like because you know, a lot of the times we would have guys come for tryouts and they'd come early and we would pull up and there'd be like twenty indie guys in the front of the building just waiting for us to get in there, and they wanted to try out and work. So I don't know if this kid did the same thing.
I don't know where he can, Okay, but to tell, you know, somebody that you have X amount of experience, you've been working so many years and blah, and you're you know, I don't know how old he told us he was, but he wasn't. He lied about everything. Now, did Jack take it too far? Absolutely? Absolutely, one hundred percent. But the kid wouldn't have been in that position if he didn't lie. He I guess he just wanted to do it so badly, and unfortunately it costs him his life.
So it's it's just terrible situation. And I still won't go back and watch it. I've never watched it. I have no interest in seeing it.
It's pretty brutal.
Yeah, And you know I've said it before. A lot of the times, these guys get over zealous in the ring with the Green kids, and you know, I never understood why somebody would deliberately hurt someone because in our business, we're trying to protect each other. But according to veterans, it's like, well, you have to break them in and you have to show them what they're getting into and blah blah blah, but not to the point where they can't.
I mean, I've seen guys leave the ring crying, like actually sobbing, and the boys would make fun of them, you know what I mean, Like, I think there's a limit to how far you can push somebody before they break. I just didn't like the ritual. It's like the hazings. I still don't get that either. I don't think it has any part in a locker room. But you know, I guess I'm in the minority, and thank god I didn't really have to go through that because I'm a female.
But you know, I've seen guys take it too far with these kids and legitimately hurt them to where they never came back. And then if you did come back then you get their respect, and it's like, come on, you break somebody's nose or you know, give them a concussion deliberately, just to show them that you're you're a vet. And I don't know, I never I never understood that. I never agreed with it. I never will. But this kid took it too far, like he shouldn't have even been in that ring.
Would never happen now, I would.
Hope not, you know. And I loved Knew Jack. I loved Knew Jack, don't get me wrong, but he, I mean, it was it was way too much.
Come on, yeah, I completely agree.
And of course probably the most you know, violent incident in d CW's history.
For sure, wrestling history.
That's not wrestling, no god, no, yeah, that's power.
Yeah, that's just way too much for me.
All right now, this one, I mean, I don't know if this would make my list, but I'm sure it probably holds up Terry Funk and Raven leading into barely legal ninety seven.
I mean, I can see it. I think it would get over now, not a ninety seven year old Terry Funk, you know, but at that age people loved Terry. Terry can do no wrong so any angle that he was in, I feel got over and would probably get over today. Now, maybe not the bunk house bunk Terry Funk, but uh, you know, just Terry Funk coming out to my favorite Desperado. You know, this Terry funking Raven was a great story.
Yeah, it's a good story.
I just don't know, you know, if you're gonna five angles to hold up, yes, but you know, maybe if you're looking at the top ones of VCW, I don't know if it's well, this isn't the top. Yeah, I know, you're right, it's not the top, so I should be looking that much into it.
But it's a good one, you know.
I mean the old veteran winning going after the world title, you know, the the young brash bad guy telling him he's old and he should just retire and go back to his ranch.
It could be said for a lot of guys out there. We have a lot of aging wrestlers out there that this could uh, this could stand up too if they wanted to, you know, do an angle with a younger worker, and I think it would get over. You know, because the crowd was one hundred percent behind Terry Funk in this right, so big baby face.
All right, first major heat alert with this list because their list is officially flawed.
Oh oh, on your end.
Okay, the zoo what this is not ECW.
Now this shouldn't even be on there.
Come on, Yes, it aged.
In the black shirt behind them with its hands like this.
It aged poorly because it was awful. But this is not ECW. They have the zombie from the debut edition of ECW on Sci Fi, from the w W version.
They're not really talking about the zombie here. They're talking about the first episode.
The first episode, yes, okay, but if you if you want to say the best part of this opening segment is the Sandman comes out and cames the ship out of the zombie.
It looks great.
I feel like, yeah, they're just referring to I think they're referring to the fake ec DUB as a company. I think the whole uh, the whole ECW thing was a failure and did not age well. I don't know how long it lasted. How long did that even last? Like two years?
So technically it lasted till like two thousand.
And nine, okay, so three years it went for a while, yeah, okay, three years. The whole thing was a failure. It was a missed opportunity people wanted to see I want to use the word nostalgia because people missed the original ECW. People wanted to see us in our own element. They didn't want to see characters that were not involved. They didn't want to see, you know, us doing things that were so far out there. And the explanation is we're on sci Fi. No, there's there. There is no connection
between us and the Sci Fi network. That's why the zombie was on that show. They even wanted aliens on the show.
Well, you know, good buddy of mine was also on that show for a reason.
I mean, well, no offense to him, but it just it did not gel. And I'm telling you what everybody who signed, because before we all signed our contracts, everybody was talking to everybody on the phone. People were calling each other, what are you going to do? Are you going to sign? I don't know, are you going to sign? The only reason why we did it was for the money. None of us had high hopes for this company, and we all knew it was going to fail. At least
my circle of friends knew. So we were doomed from the start. And we knew it, and I knew for a fact that my three year contract was not going to last three years. Called it, called it as soon as I put my John Hancock on that paper. So it was just the catastrophe from the get go. If you're gonna do something, do it right, don't do it half ass. And that was done half.
Ass pretty fss, you know.
I mean, I remember seeing it as a fan, the rumor that it was going to be on sci Fi and that they were going with the sci Fi characters.
You're like, come on, that's not true. That's not going to happen.
It was so ridiculous that it just infuriated most of the locker room. We would just sit there and be like, what the hell is going on? That's why every week I would just try and leave early and get the hell out of there, just trying to dodge, dodge people and run away.
But you know, it's so weird, so I just pulled it up.
I went to and you I'm I'm sure you're probably at this show somewhere. I went to ECW WWE E CW at the Wacovia Center which is now the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia. On July fourth, two thousand and six. Okay, ECW on Sci Fi. It was a Tuesday, so it was a taping, right.
This was a damn good show.
I remember this show being very very good, not having the zombie you know, not having the sci fi elements.
Poor zombie man. He went around after I think it was at a convention, like everybody was at one of the conventions, and he apologized for his character. And I think it was Sandman who was like, brother, there's no heat on you. It was management that was just like, come on, this is ridiculous. But nobody blamed the kid for doing the character. You know, you do what you're told to do. As ridiculous as it was, he was just doing what the office told him to do, so
there was never heat on. I don't even know what his name was, but whoever play, I don't know what I mean.
Check out the results.
Road Kill defeated Tony Mama Luke, CM Punk defeated C W Anderson, Saboo defeated Stevie Richards, Tommy.
Dreamer defeats just incredible. How about that?
On the show in two thousand and six, Okay, Mike Knox defeated Little Guido Test defeated Alice No the Big Show defeated.
Rbd oh to win the championship.
So that's the So that was the night before was the the RBD weed thing.
Okay, that's a damn good show.
It sounds good on paper. I don't know if it was ben in person.
I was there, but fifteen hundred people in the Wacobia Center s A.
W vibes, would you stop with your diggs? Knock it off? Be nice?
And then I went to an ECW WWE E c W show in Tom's Riven, New Jersey that you were on.
I know that for a fact. You know what you did on that show.
No bikini contest of course, Kelly, Kelly, let's see then and Samman came out and beat up Matt Striker out.
Yeah, okay, all.
Right, back to the countdown, Back to the countdown. This one one hundred percent held up TAZ versus seven.
Oh one of the best. Uh not only angles but build ups, never letting them touch for all those months. Have you ever seen that in your life? No, it was brilliant. And the fans is this the night? Is
this the night they're gonna touch? Is this the night it's gonna have a Nope, you're gonna have to wait, and uh, just it was creatively like Paul just knew what worked and usually what didn't work, take away the crucifixion angle, but uh, he knew what he had on his hands with this, and and just waiting and waiting and waiting. It was just that anticipation that when they finally touched the place exploded great and it was such a huge pop, huge pop, and something that people still
talk about to this day with those two. And I bet you if you asked Tazan Sabu, they would put it over as one of the greatest things they've ever done because it needs such an impact.
Yeah, so many layers too.
It was awesome Paul kind of breaking character as well and getting himself evolved to say how sabou No showed was in Japan rather be over there, you know. Yeah, but like but telling that to the audience, you know, and doing voiceovers and explaining everything. And then I think the I think it was November to remember ninety six was the one where they teased it going off the air with the two of them in the ring.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great.
Just unbelievable.
Just and I mean they show that every week four months at that clip.
Good stuff.
I'm telling you, I sound like a freaking old head. But they don't do stuff like that anymore. They should bring it back. Somebody steal it, bring it back, bring it back.
Man.
All right?
So now this one they say aged poorly, but I don't know, I kind of like it.
Just me.
Here we go, Kimona and Beulah.
Of course you would like that like that. Why do they think it aged poorly?
It's the ECW wasn't known for its great portrayal of women. Few exceptions, women played the roles of objects to be fought over or lusted after. While a lot of this can be chalked up to being a product of its time, Coomona want to lay It is a different story, especially the angle with Beulah. To give credit where credit is due, this is believed to be the first major lesbian angle
in a wrestling promotion. However, the fact that it was done for titillation and shock value rather than this story it makes us want to the story that makes us want to forget the whole thing ever happened?
Well, yeah back then, Yeah, that was shock value. Today, that wouldn't be a big deal because look at all the nonsense they show on TV on free cable, like this wouldn't have been so shocking, you know, But back then you didn't see stuff like this, so I wouldn't say it aged poorly. I still think it was like a wow moment in ECW and on other lists, like people put it over like it's the greatest thing ever ever happened in the world. And that's all men, by
the way. But I mean, if you did something like this today, it would get a pop, but not the reaction it got in nineteen ninety six or whenever.
This was. So this was great.
I think the other angle involving Beulah with the pregnancy would be the bigger shocker now than even then. I mean, and Nick got a pretty big shocking reveal then, Yeah.
It just made her look like a whore, like a whoror you know. But I told the story before. She didn't even want to do the angle, and she you know, I had a discussion with her and she's like, I just don't want to do this, and I was told, I think it was by Dreamer, like you tell her if she doesn't do it, she's fired, and I was just like, whoa. And when I told her, she was very upset, very upset about it, and I was like, better than me, because I'm not doing this crap. You know.
Yeah, it's it's incredible again because today this wouldn't even be blank that right now. But I mean, you know, maybe they would say it's portraying it in a negative light. That could also be done, you know, like say that's the reveal. Isn't done so tastefully, but.
It was shocking. Yeah, I mean at the time you saw that, you lost your mind.
I've seen indie shows now where two guys are making out in the ring like they're just it's very open. Sexuality is very open, fie. Is that how you say his name? The Big Gay Brunch or the big gay whatever he does? Like, it's very It's very common now and it's not. There's no shock value whatsoever when it comes to sexuality.
I think it's the lockup on that show.
It's the opening lockup on the.
First Yeah, right, but you know what I mean, Like back then, you didn't really see stuff like that. If you saw anybody kissing, it was a male and a female and that was it. And today it's very common and people just you know, especially on INDI's they just do whatever the hell they want, incorporate whatever they want. So nothing shocks me anymore. But back then that was pretty shocking.
This is completely visual for the two of us. I know this is an audio podcast. I got to ask about that ring. Is that what it always looked like?
There's blood?
I used to say it was if you want hepatitis b ring like. Yeah, it was disgusting. I think most of the stains. I don't know if we ever had it professionally cleaned, but those stains were blood.
I could see the Yeah you see the brownish you know, blood, Yeah, you see that. You could see those are bloodstains. Jerry the Jerry Seinfeld joke. If bloodstains on your garments are your biggest problem, maybe dry cleaning is something you don't need to worry about.
Yeah.
I don't know how often they got in there with the lysol or the that stuffed steam cleaner.
You know you go to shop right and rent the.
C There were always things out there. Uh yeah, look at the.
Tape there it is.
Look at the tape because there's holes.
Two, three, four.
Four blue duct tape or electrical tape problems.
And you have to remember too, there's been barbed wire in that ring, ripping stuff up. I don't know. You know, Look, we didn't have that U W W A E W money bank roll to just keep buying new tarp and rings and all this stuff. We had to make do. That's why we were edgy and gritty and cool. We were, yes, we were.
You know, but if look she was uncomfortable with it, their hair drops down and doing things you need to roll around.
Yeah, I know, but still it's just the the image I think ship I got it, you know, and you can work look, and you can work anything. You can work anything when you with your partner out there, you can make it, make it look like a million bucks, but work it. And that's what they did. So I don't think they were tonguing each other like the guys in the audience thought they were.
Damn it.
Sorry sorry to disappoint you, but I just don't think that happened.
All right, This one holds up because you could slot one of these guys on somebody's television and continue the angle tonight. Cyrus and Joey styles.
That whole network angle was just true but brilliant. Like, you know, Paul saw what the network, the TNN was doing to us, and he just ran with it. It's like, what do we have to lose? Are we gonna piss them off? Yeah? So what, We're under a contract and we have until this day to do something. So we're gonna take the ball and we're gonna with it. And
that's exactly what he did. And I think some of Joey's best work was in this angle because he's always like the timid little Joey, you know what I mean. And here he's got a set of balls and he's just standing up to Cyrus and it led to them actually fighting at one point. And I love to see that kind of stuff because he's more than an announcer. Joey became one of the He was always one of the boys, but he became like a character in an angle, not just the play by play guy, the color guy,
the announcer guy. You know, people were like chanting for Joey to beat the shit out of Cyrus, and everybody wanted to see that. You could have made a match that could have been like an actual pay per view match if Joey wanted to do it, and it would have been brilliant.
Now he got it super aggressive. It would then lead the stuff he did later too. You know, he got a lot more physical.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, more than an announcer, and he became one of, you know, like a character, like one of the wrestlers, even though he wasn't a wrestler. But you don't have to be a wrestler to be a personality in wrestling. Again, Don Callous is a wrestler. Don they could have did something and Don could have carried him and Joey could have beat the shit out of him, and Don would have made Joey look like a million bucks. I guarantee you that would have been
so awesome to see. I mean, we got a little snippet and a little taste here and there, but if they actually had like a full blown feud pay per match, Oh how great would that would have been? It would have been excellent. I would have loved to have seen that.
Been nice on the February two thousand and one pay per view.
If it ever happened.
Yeah, sure, But yeah, on the side, you could pluck Joey Styles out of where he's at today. And put him on AW television and continue it tonight if you wanted to.
He is such a lost piece of talent. He should still be in the business calling the action.
He'd probably be an AW.
Maybe, I don't know. I don't know.
Tony Tony would one hundred percent have gone after Joey Styles.
It's such a locking sock and barrel.
I spoke to him, I want to say three years ago. I had contacted him to come on our show when I was up here, and he declined and he said, I'm doing nothing with wrestling, and I was just like, not even for me, because he always used to tell me like you're my favorite, blah blah blah, and he was just like, I would love to, but I just can't do it. And I don't know if he's afraid of that's stupid. What was it the R O H commentary?
Or it was no? It was uh uh not?
Was it Gabe Sepalski's It wasn't rh.
It was evolved.
It was one of those little side semi popular ones out of like that care liillly area that he made a comment and they crucified him, and it was so ridiculous because he was doing so well on his comeback after it was a political like comment and he was crucified and it was such that was where you almost you almost like got to give him credit for being like, you know what, f you, I'm out of here.
You know you're.
Gonna treat me like this. I'm never coming back.
I don't blame him. Yeah, No, there's no blame in it. It's just wasted. It's talent that's wasted because he was so good at what he did. And I feel like, if you, like, if you brought him the wrestle Coon this year, oh my god, his line would be out the door.
Yeah.
And I told him that. I was like, look, you should really look into doing some of the bigger cons. Yeah, nobody's judging you for anything. There are people who have said far worse than him and are still walking around with their headheld.
On getting five hundred dollars a signature.
Unbelievable. I just it irritates me because he's so good at what he did and he's such a nice guy, and I would love to see him back on the circuit, but you're never going to see him again.
From a signing point of view, I never made more in one single day than I did when I worked at Joey Styles.
Oh okay, we brought it.
We were We brought him into the arena the first signing he did after he was released by WWE in twenty seventeen. I've never held that much cash in my hand at once.
Really was it an icons?
It was the second or third icons up to that point. I've since held more because I worked with William Shatner. But you know Joey, they turned out and droves.
Yeah they again. Yeah, he hasn't been seen in so long.
Such a shame a professional, Like just it's like so on top of everything. And again, this is a guy who's like, you know what, you're gonna treat me like this, I'm out of here, And it's your own fault.
It's for him and that's it. Yeah, stood his ground.
Yeah, he stands up for what he believes in. And I get it. It's just sad on a personal level for me because I was such close friends with him and admired him for his work ethic and what he's done for wrestling, and I just feel like it's it's such a waste of talent not being used because he's wonderful at what he did.
Agreed sad.
All right, we come to the last one. This isn't aged poorly. Okay, again I don't think that this should be on the list, but again this is their list. We will have a quick discussion afterwards for what has been omitted aged poorly Vince McMahon ecwh.
To here with that. That's not even the thing. This has nothing to do with ECW.
Two thousand and seven ECW champion.
This goes up there with what's his name, David Arquette being WCW champion my book, you.
Know what I mean? Why?
Why did he even need the belt? Does Vince McMahon need a belt? No? Absolutely not. No one wants to see him as ECW champ. No one wants to see him as champion of anything. I know, I don't. I just want to see him on Netflix telling his story.
That's all I want.
I just would like to say that the person who put this article together.
More than likely never watched DCW.
I don't know if they did or not, but this should not be on the list. Should This should be like in the fake ec they have to have a composite of the fake ECUB failures. This should be the number one failure for the WWE Slash ECW show for the three years or whatever.
Okay, I'm gonna read you the first sentence, and this is why I'm gonna cement that statement right here.
Yes, you read that right.
The chairman of w W booked himself as ECW's champion in two thousand and seven, putting him on the same list as legends like TAZ, Don Morocco and CM Punk. The three names synonymous quit the ECW championship. Taz Yes, Don Morocco and Cmpunk Don Morocco ECW champion. Of course, I will not not recognize one of my favorite guys of all time.
But Punk was the fake e C. Dub as well.
Yeah, but like Don Morocco, that's the one guy. Well, you're partial.
You would have put Shane Douglas in that.
I would have been Where's Man, Where's Raven? Where's Where's just giving.
Me a couple examples.
He's not the name that came to the list.
Look, all I know is this man should not have a belt around his waist, and it should not be an ECW title, and the fake ECB should not be associated with the real the original ECW. I hate when people make that you know, distinct like it. It's it's a different entity. It's not the same company. It's not ECW. Matt Cardona always jokes around on online and puts a picture of himself up and says, I am an ECW original And he does it for heat. You know, he's
not stupid. He knows how to generate heat and stuff. And like one time I wrote, I put like the side eye. I was like, oh please, you know, the side ie. But the fans get so pissed off. Well that's not the real ECW and blah blah blah, and it's it's just stuff like this is a slap in the face, not only to us, but to to just the boys. Like why does Vince have to have this belt around his waist? What is this doing for his character? Nothing, It's just annoying to look at it. He does not
need a belt, He didn't need it. He draws enough heat without it, and he just looks ridiculous. I'm sorry. This is worse than the mustache in my opinion.
I know, right, Can you imagine the guy with the mustache wearing that belt.
With when he's with one of his ladies.
No, I don't want to imagine that at all. What I'm saying, like the come one.
That was ridiculous.
And he was also wearing his do rag because that's after he lost lost his hair.
To Donald Trump.
Oh okay, well, okay, obvious, huge, gigantic astronomical omission the halo.
Yeah, yeah, I think that was a pretty well you know, could that stand up in today's business?
Is that age well or age poor?
Right?
What do you think I'm gonna say, Well, because of the heat you guys got.
I think with anybody with an injury, somebody attacking the injury, you know, gets heat on that person, sympathy for the baby face. So yeah, I think it aged twelve. I think it would hold up today if somebody did it in twenty twenty four. Absolutely, I think honestly. And I'm not just saying this because I was involved with it, but that angle was one of the heaviest heat seeking missile angles that we've ever done. The heat that was
on Shane and I for that was astronomical. And I know we had a lot of heels in the business and they drew a lot of heat. But I'm sorry, I've never seen people jump the guard and I'm talking about an ECW. I've never seen people that try and jump the guardrail and attack people like I did that evening. I've never seen it. So, you know, we drew a hell of a lot of heat.
Yeah, that's incredible. Now, how about an age poor? Anything that can come to mind?
We gave one age. Well, let's give an age poor.
Hmmm. God, there's so I mean, seven years worth of stuff that I can say I was there for. It's a lot.
Just trying to think quick.
How about cactus Jack Cut consists constantly bringing up Eric Bischoff.
Well, I mean, he was on his way up the door. It was kind of like a.
It was just I thought it got to be a little too much. It was like, all right, we get it.
You know, it's redundant for you.
Yeah, it was like, okay, you know, he's the guy. We don't like him.
It's w CW like W kind of sucks. At that point, It's like, okay.
Great, just go just leave. That's the part of your character is that you love Eric Bischoff.
Like he was calling him uncle uncle Eric.
Eric.
Yeah. Yeah, and you have heights and you know, I guess right.
Right, I don't know I feel like most of the stuff that we did was a hit. We had some misses, like obviously, like nobody that's a thousand all the time. I think overall, though, if you ask the fans, I think they would give us the thumbs up for content. And you can definitely go back to whatever you watch us on and say this angle is still relevant and can be used in twenty twenty four. Most of the stuff we did back then you could still pull off today.
And we get that when we do signings, Shane and I always get that from fans, like, man, I don't watch the current product. I watch you guys, and it's still over in this day and age. So that's a testament to just Paul and whoever was in on those angles in creative, you know. And we're proud of that. So I think overall we aged well as a company.
I mean, I think you can hold it up up extremely well. When you look at anything past you know, twenty and fifteen ish, you know, it's gone very corny over the last five to six seven years.
It's some things have there's some cool things that are out there now. Don't don't get us.
Shot, don't get me.
Yeah, I on this sport.
No, no, not at.
All talking about you know what happened thirty years ago. If you can say, man, that's still cool in twenty twenty four, then you did something right, you know. So it's it's fun to look back and compare and see what's hot and what's not. But overall, I do think that ECW was a company that did it differently, did it well, and could still hold court in this day and age.
Well said, all right, well we will wrap that up for today. If you'd like to catch more of us, you can head on over to the YouTube channel, where we've got a plethora of extra content going on.
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Caught the the the legendary WWF commercial that fran scene starting with one Vincent man.
I heard they were making it into a movie. Did you hear about that?
Who's playing me?
We're still casting for they. I'm a consultant on it.
Have you heard about it?
It's me?
No, I haven't heard about it.
Yeah, you know it's Jennifer Lawrence might be uh he brought in.
He's got to play Jesus. So you know, did you hear that?
What? Oh? Yes, that's another that's a whole another episode.
Poor Taste, don't even start me.
That did not age well.
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You know what, I just passed it on your timeline. Just Incredible is there at the same time as yet.
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