Wednesday, September 20, Hour 1

This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jakin Zalez on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen powered by Nova Insurance Services. Make sure your most prized possessions katz R two side and iHeart Radio Station Yet. Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's Jakins. Also, welcome to Wednesday show. I have one thing, Jay that's talked to you about. Okay, he came in

with some mysterious comment about the topic that you had. Yeah, well, I'm hearing this yesterday. So what's our bet with the USC Washington team? We bet? I bet. The bet is that you picked USC to win the league. I picked Washington to win the league. I was in at dinner. I think it was dinner, Yeah, dinner or whatever. I'll buy you that dinner. I'm not sure I'm gonna pull for USC. And let me tell you why. Oh, I couldn't sleep last night for whatever

reason. I got up at two. And you know when you when you're up at two, do you do you start scrolling? Yeah? Yeah, so crazy, And I'm thinking I'll go to sleep. Well, I didn't go to sleep. So then I see all this stuff on Twitter about Lincoln Riley and the USC and the re revoking of credentials. So then I read a column by one of the guys that at the at the Orange Cannon Register, and I'm thinking, that's a that's I use the word petty yesterday.

I wish I could say the word. I really feel like saying, I'm here on the air, but it's chicken, chicken, whatever, because because it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't, man, Jay, it doesn't make any sense. The scenario that was painted. He the reporter saw two guys talking before the press conference, just on the side, and you saw one guy talking to you there. Are you nervous? Did they tell you anything to say or not to say, you know, Bob, which of

course you guys do we do you prepare them? No? Great shakes me.

And he put that in the story that he said that big revelation right that they these games are trained to say what they say, so that it's like me and maybe the scenario is not the same, but I'm I'm I'm at the U A U A stadiums uh for football stadium, and I see Jed walking with with his sid coming to the press box, coming to the press press area, you know, and he stumbles a little, he trips, right, he's carrying a little and he trips, and and and so

the next day that the story I write is uh uh, jet fish trips on the jet fish tripped on the turf, you know, Arizona Stadium. Biden be the last time he ever does this with the football program. And then going to the success that he's had. You meant to tell me, you need to tell me I can't use that because it was not in the press conference, right, And that's what what do reporters do for a living, The support and the report observed. You see things, it's to me,

it's unbelievable. It's it's it's well, in this case, I think it's partly the arrogance of the USC football pros, right, it's you know, there's a few programs like that. Notre Dame would be one, Ohio State, Michigan, you know, Alabama. You know, it seems that say, we run the show, we run the show as it relates to the media. We run the shows that are relates to the conference. And they do that, and USC is one of those schools. That that things

say the things they can do that. So that's that's all it is, saying we're in charge. And you know, I know, look, my son was an s idea to Arizona. I'm having this argument with him. He's he's on the side of a USC on this, and what's this point? The point being that there are rules that everybody's supposed to follow, and there are rules, and they said, but there are some rules that are stupid rules. And that's one of them. That you say, I saw

something and I can't report on that. If I see something, I get to report on that. Right. If you see Jed Fish in an argument with one of his players outside the press room, you're you're gonna say, sure, you saw that. Sure. And if they say you can't say that, I'm gonna say, go f yourself. Well we did. We kind of ran across you and I run across this. Back in the day, late eighties, right, we covered dictomy, Right, we went to

practices to observe. Right, there were certain things that we couldn't rely and I can't even remember the specifics now Jay injuries, things like injuries. It was really it was just injuring and police schemes. Right, Well, here's here and here's here's an example of that. All I understand. I remember

when I was going to practice. All I understood was, you know, you're not supposed to report on injuries, and but you're also not you know, if they run a double reverse, you know, flee flicker, yadda, yadda, you're not supposed to say that you saw that. When that week that Arizona switched from the wishbones to what they called the eyebone before the U. I was a practice all week. I just didn't notice it, pay attention to it. I didn't see the change in the formation. And

in the end Dick said it wasn't a big deal. It's just we moved a guy over and that was that. But but but I got in trouble for not reporting. My boss said, how did you not report that? He said, I missed it. I didn't see it. I just had to say I didn't see it. They had Butch Henry and who was the yes idea at the time in the media, said we've told reporters they are not allowed to report on stuff like that. And I'm like, I never agreed to that. I agreed that you know if somebody gets hurt. I

mean, I go to see if somebody got hurt. But if somebody gets hurt, yes, we're not supposed to report on that. But you know that going into the game. Fine, But I got in trouble for not seeing that and not reporting it. And then I got in and then you know, it was kind of like, did you agree to that if you saw something like that that you weren't going to report that? I said no. I never said I wasn't. No, I was with you on that because I was there too, and it was a big surprise to everybody they

did what they did, and so there are restriction. Do you want any recruiting thing with McDuff, Right, But that's reagree, that's pretty and you're there for to get purpose to for a story, right, I just have I don't know why I have an issue with this, but to me, it's there against one and two. You can't you can't do that. Yeah,

with Steve. It's become that over time, over the last let's call it ten years, with the with the how much social media everybody does, whether it's a company, in an athletics program, a university, you know, whoever, with all that that that they they feel now that they want total control of the narrative, and if you step outside of that, you know they want to they want to, you know, shred you about that.

And you know, I mean, Steve, I mean, how many times did we get not in trouble, but get in an argument or get you know, I mean again, I told you, Luke didn't talk to me for years because of the last the last basketball story I did, which is you know, when they got beat would I went and I talked to Judd Bush and he gave me this story and I wrote it, and somehow Luke thought I shouldn't have written that he and he was mad at me for

years over that. That's a that's an extreme example of that particular time. But now it's become a point where these programs and everybody really strategically tries to control what's out there about them. Sure, and they want you and they don't want you to observe the other stuff that's going on or reported. Well, let me say this, that's been the case since the edge of time, end of time. People want positive. People want positive, But now, like you saying, the last ten years or so, uh, people

want positive all the time. Life isn't like that. I mean, I mean, think about the amount of time we now get with because they're trying to control they instead of where you or I. When recovering the team, I said, I'm gonna do a story on Darryl Lewis this week, and I'd go interview Darryl Lewis us, right. And you didn't know that, right, And I didn't know who you were interviewing. You know who your story petitions. Right now, It's like they bring these two players and that's

your story. Hated man, I hate it. I hate it. That's why I don't ask any questions or care to ask any questions, because my story is your story and your story is my story and depends how well we write it. Right. You know, you know who, you know who the stories are about. You know. So there's gonna be a story coming up on Dalton Johnson, the safety who's having you know, because everybody asked question about Dalton Johnson, asked questions about Jacob Monnett. Those are the features

that you can expect to see in the media this week. You're previewing the airs Ona Stanford game. Whereas before I didn't know who you were writing, and you didn't know what I was writing until you saw it on Saturday morning. I neither I'm cussing you out or you're cussing me out right, And you see, that was a good story. I wish I had it, you know whatever. That's what the good old Those are good old days of

newspapers and and the business and and that's gone. And you know who's missing out the readers, the readers and the fans, the readers in the fan they're not getting, no question, they're not getting, you know, the stories that are out there. Let me say this because I've seen this in a number of times during the Sean stuff, and that was the worst part

of it. Sean limited his guys to play. The only guy I really feel comfortable and talking about in Sean's time was probably t J McConnell because he was he was a favorite he was growing up. He's one of the favorite sons. We got his story him talk exactly everybody else. What do you know, how old did we get to know DeAndre? You didn't. You didn't until he was until the last weekend. We had open practice or open locker rooms at the US at the Vegas Vegas when he was. DeAndre has

a humor. He's such a humor. What who he was? His kid? He wants to have fun, and unfortunately it's the fans that are missing out. I mean, I think of all, you know, the stories I did cover in the eighty eight team. You know, spent a whole afternoon with Steve Ker at his apartment watching college football with him, with him and Bruce Frasier, and we had lunch, and I spent the whole and I was able to right a story about Steve Kernel that he went there no

questions and cook all those guys. That's why this community got to know those guys. We don't know those guys. And again they pick who who we get to talk to, no question. Here's another point, just real quick. If I didn't lose, oh what if what if USC relinquishes or decides Okay, maybe we went a little too far. They can't do that now either, because if you have rules, better stick with those rules. And

now they can't undo it. No, they couldn't. Really, you know, I didn't go lose my mind over it last night like you did, but I just kind of I read it because I read the call him and afterward overnight and then I said, I read more about the kid. It was his first year on the job. You had you had a kid from the Only Times, and everybody supported him. I should everybody in the business

is support him. Not the fans because the fans could and the fans are always going to side with your team of course, the media or the bad guy of course, of course. And I don't know why, but it hit me kind of like, really, this is what we come Yeah, but you know, and and and and again, Steve, you gotta remember that the guys that we dealt with at the time that we were, you know, covering sports like or like I didn't like my example of Dick Tomy.

All right, So Malvin Smith gets that he fires a shot at a skate country, gets arrested. Uh, you know the whole thing. You know, I go to Sunday morning. I have to get up on Sunday morning go to his arrangement. Mark Lunsford was there. I walked in the door. He goes He's like, oh no, but you know I didn't Mark, Mark said, Mark said, I can't talk to you. I'm just here because somebody has to be here support from Malviot. So so you know, I talked to Dick, and I do the whole you know,

I do a story. Story comes out on Monday morning, and then I see Dick on Monday afternoon and he goes, I really thought you were going to rip us, and you didn't. You just I just you know, it wasn't up to me to rip you. It was up to me to report what happened. And that's all I did. I wasn't trying to say Dick told me he's a bad coach because he got this guy who took a gun to a skate country and took a shot the guy it was Greg who was supposed to rip if he's a columnist, right, well, that was

my soul box and what it forever its worth. I completely agree with you. And again, you know I mentioned my son. He's thirty years old. This is the this is the media life he has lived. He did not live the media life. Sure, this is how they always did things in the ten years that he worked in the athletic department over there. You know, where as he said, as they said, they are in charge. You know, they run they run this show. They run the media

show. Now there's nothing any of us can do about it because of the way they've like, well, the what do you think about it? Is? Okay, I'm not sure if the kid can go and do his story, he's still gonna work, do his jaws, make his calls. I think the worst thing that could happen is is Okay. Now, out of spite, I'm gonna be more observant, more eyes on the program doesn't make sense, and be more of a pain in the ass because you did this

to me. What's the worst thing that happened to me? Provoke my recurrentials? You already have, Yeah, you already have. Yeah, you want to be a ship uh almost said it? Pain? You know, just a bad dude. Yeah, I could be a bad dude. I mean thinking in his way, but that's not his job. It's not And and I look, and there are some reporters out there who do go over the loss. Yes, you know, they do go over the line. And and just like any in any other field, there's guys that you go,

that's a bad dude. This is a good dude. You know. You and I you know we didn't, right and we still don't. Yeah, Okay, there's no purpose, there's no there's no reason to you know, I don't know if you're the you know the question that I when I asked, when I asked Jed Fish about his running backs, thinking he starts that, You know, I can't tell you that he's kind of joking, but you know, it's kind of like you guys were just here trying to do

the best we can to report what's going on. And if you're gonna say that I can't report on something that I saw that I saw, then we've got a big problem. There is. Yeah, there is a problem. Okay, Hey, let's talk real quickly about to our guests. All right, Greg mckinstree, the second h head coach at katl High School. They're three and one, first time in for first time there were three and oh for the first time in one hundred years. He's going to join us.

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How are you, coach? I'm doing good. How are you guys doing? We're doing well. We're kind of curious. What's in the water at Catalina. I just doing real well. Oh we you know, we just have been kind of work in the process here the last three seasons and it's actually starting the show and pay dividends there. Yeah. So I have to ask you because I'm looking at your background. You're from the Midwest, you went to went to school in Iowa, you coached, you coached over there.

How do you wind up in Tucson, Arizona? Tell me tell me how you got here? Well, I was in two falls, South Dakota area, and uh, I actually have a family down here. My mom was living in Chandler of a couple of aunts and brother had lived down or lived up in that area, and so I was trying to make my way to get closer to them. And then my sister lives out in Las Vegas, and so we're kind of all, you know, and I have a brother lives in West Texas, so we they've all left Milwaukee or on this

side of the country. I was trying to get down here to get closer to my family, and then also my wife's family, her parents had moved down here around twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen, and so it was a good fit. You know. I was trying to, you know, find some coaching positions and jobs in the Arizona area, and then Tucson, you know, and Catalina kind of came on the radar there. So so wait a second, So, Greg, so your wife's parents are here in Tucson.

They are actually they were here for a little bit and then they actually wound up moving up to Mesa. Okay, Okay, I was going to say, coach, that long story. All you had to see is my wife wanted to go you know, happy, happy wife, happy life. You know, we talked about the whole time. So, so the Catlin And job opens up a couple of years ago. Obviously a challenging job, as there are a number of jobs like that in Tucson. What attracted you to

taking on that? You know, this challenge at a program that you know hasn't done well for a lot of years, trouble with you know, difficulty with some numbers and stuff. What made you want to do that job? You know, I had a connected with the athletic director, Tim Bridges, and you know, we really hit it off, and I thought that was a good fit with him on a professional level as well as a personal level.

And then also Cataline is kind of like a one of the high schools I had coached in the Midwest. It's kind of like Waterloo East High School, and so it was kind of similar makeup. You know, we had we didn't have too many whole bunch of kids there. Those kids kind of came to work every day and we were actually able to get them playing some good football. And my first year we actually got into the playoffs, which

we hadn't been into the playoffs in over a decade and stuff. So that was a really good experience, and also the middle school that I was working at at back in South Dakota and Foo Falls is just about the identicals as far as the student demographics. And so I really meshed well out there in South Dakota with those kids, could relate to them really well. And so like the same group of kids here at Catalina. So so Jay, I'm I'm always up for our challenge. So well you have one of you done

well? So Jay mentioned numbers. We've covered a few high school places here that don't have any numbers in the Canneman play. So, so when you first got to Catalina, what were your numbers and what are they now? I want to say. When I was my first year, you know, it was kind of odd for me and I showed up in Jil here in summer workouts and I only have five kids out there. And then I was like, oh man, you can even be able to have a season.

Uh. Once we kind of started official practice, we got some more numbers, and then we finally got around to about twenty four twenty five kids, and now it's kind of like almost a one eighty. You know. This summer past summer, I had about twenty two kids consistently four days a week for workouts, and this year we're probably about twenty eight on the number side, and we still have some more kids that actually, you know, since

we've won, which really greatly helped out the morale around school. So I have more kids that are actually still trying to come out for the football team even now. So well, that's the that's the thing. I mean, you get here and on, you know, just the numbers are an issue, but then you have to create something, right, you have to get

these guys interested in this. You gotta get you know, let's say, you know, winning always helps, but how do you go out and generate interest and get you know, get kids to come out for the football team. You know, like my first year I was you know, working in the school definitely helped. And I tried to have a really personable type of

personality, being out going and engaging the kids. And you know, even me and the athletic director would be in the lunch room just trying to go and talk to kids to try to get them interested in football, engage their interest and see if they might want to join the team. And I just try to strike up conversations with kids in the hallway as I'm walking walking in the class, or they might have stopped in my room for something, and

so just trying to be engaging with them and you and you're not. You know, they need to and you don't work there, and you don't work there, you work somewhere else. Uh. This year, I'm working over at duel In Middle School, which is about five minutes away from Catalina. We actually a lot of the kids go to they will leave that school and come to Catalina. A matter of fact, I want to say about eight of my players were enrolled there before in the last couple of years, so

that that helps. And also it's kind of funny because I want to say probably about five or six of my players that have younger siblings that go to that school. So right, so it's kind of a grassroots effort over there. So you guys get off to a great start three, you know, go three and oh didn't go so well last week. But just tell us about you know, what's your team like? What you know? What what do you what do you what's your makeup? What? What are you good

at? You know, we're we're right now. Our strength is our offense and defensive line. We've put a lot of work into those guys over to you know, now most of those guys are seniors and sophomore, so we've put a lot of work until the last couple of years. And so I always tell those guys, you know, how they perform is how our team

performs pretty much. But we've you know, it all starts over those that off season period where you're working to get you know, working to get those guys in shape for the season and for the rigors of the season and kind of and and building that team bonding through workouts, doing some community things, and so we're just trying to really get those guys to buy into the process and trust our process. So you asked about what his background coming here,

right, Did you play ball at a certain level? Yeah, I actually started I played ball when I was like started playing football, got at a really uh in a league when I was seven years old, and then I you know, I went to a pretty prestigious high school back in Milwaukee, Wisconsin called Marquette University High School. They actually had just won seven hundred day one or seven hundred and fifty third game last Friday. That's a whole bunch

and then you you. I saw you were at Ohio and then Northern Iowa. Right, I was actually at a Northern Iowa. I went there and then my h one of my coaches left, the head coach left, we got new coaches in. One of our assistant coaches wound up there. So I went over there and finished up by last year and stuff, and then wound up coming back to Northern Iowa after playing arena football for a number of years to Goo. Uh wound up going there to UH coach and then getting

my masters while I was there also coaching. So thanks, who'd you where'd you play arena football with? Oh? I've man everywhere you know I was. I played for Susity Bandits. I played for Tampa's Bay Storm, Green Bay Blizzard talks the talents, Uh, Lincoln Lightning and then lost Angas Gladiators. Also, Uh, there's the other team in the Indiana Indiana. They're no longer in the league. So yeah, I spent uh about eight seasons

playing. We talked about that. Jay was so well, he was the pr guy then the president of the local of the Tucson I'm just curious where you've been with that eight years though, that's a long time to be to be in the in the in the league. Say, because we talk about that, though your dream continues, right, yes, you know, I can't play anymore, so I do. The next best thing is which is coaching? Sorry, what's been the bill in the game? We're around kids?

And what's been the best coal competitive nature? What's been the best thing about about coaching here at Katalina And you know, being a part of all this now, you know, for for you and then you know, what do you see in the kids as as you go along? I say, the best thing I see is actually these kids growing, you know, athletic wise, socially and you know, academically. So I know when I first came here, academics weren't really high on on on the athletics for our athletes

around the school. I used to say, they weren't. It wasn't a top priority. I've tried to make it a priority within my team of being a student first and an athlete second. And you know, I would say what probably one of the biggest rewards is actually seeing where these kids started at, you know, on the athletic field and seeing their growth and seeing them have success and then enjoying that success. Yeah, yeah, no question,

no question. Yeah. So I wouldn't ask you this because you know, Steve and I we you know, we're trying to get the coaches like you on the show. We've had Phil Stewart over at at Marana, we had Zach Nevill left Hope from a Tucson. It seems like there's this group of coaches that are all you guys are kind of from the same place, and I don't know other ways said teams age wise, background wise, that are have been coming to Tucson to take over some of these programs that you know,

need guys like you. Is there any kind of lack of bedwood camaraderie among the coaches that are here now, you know that are kind of maybe new to Tucson and to the region, I should say, and kind of going through some of the similar things, right, whether it's numbers or dealing with the program that hasn't won in a while, or as you say, academics, those kinds of things. Are you guys sort of in touch with each other at all or everybody kind of working on their own kind of you

know a little bit of both. I would say, you know, during off season, you have a lot more time to kind of reach out to other coaches, stay in contact. You know. Coaching clinics are a big place where guys get together and we talk, you know, especially Tuside High coach you know, met him there this past spring at the coaches clinic. You have a coaches clinic. We kind of got along well and talk, you know, and every time I see him, I we go and talk.

You know. I just saw him this past Saturday. Talked with him for a little bit, and then you know, kind of during the season, everybody's kind there in their own little silo, right the lack of a better term, just kind of focusing and grinding a trying to get their team to be better. You know, what have you found out? We just have a couple of minutes now and Jay kind of alluded to this. For the kids, obviously they must walk a little higher now, taller because they're

they're having success. But what did you find in them that they didn't see themselves. I want to say that that confidence and the fact that they could be leaders, you know, if they applied themselves. Two kids that come to mind is Corey Sanders and Ace Lewis. They're both linemen, offensive lineman, defensive lineman. They really kind of stepped up this year, you know, had some confidence. They went to some coming out of spring football. You know, I'm kind of like, hey, you guys can do this

stuff. You know, you had this success last year in our last game. Well let's take it and run with it. You know, you have a tremendous upside to both of them, and so just kind of getting them to see that confidence that they can kind of play with anybody. You know. They went to the Northern Arizona camp that was kind of sponsored by FCA this past summer, and they went there and had really, you know, some some a lot of success I would say, as far as realizing how

good they could be and and their potential. And then they came back and they've been leaders on the football team, leaders around campus. You know, they actually kind of a spearheaded getting the sea kind of clubs started on our campus here at Catalina. So really proud of those guys who were doing that kind of stepping up in that regard and that's really it, right, I

mean, that's the reward for you. Yeah. You know, I would say I've been working with kids in various capacities for the last you know, fifteen plus years there. You know, especially during the off season playing and reading football is always working with kids at rescues or at at a school in some capacity, and around and coaching as well. So it's like, hey, I like to see kids success. I have all this knowledge in my

head. I can pass it on to some kids and they can take it and run with it and be successful on the field and off the field, and after they graduate from high school or college. You know, that's that's a reward for me. Well, it's great to see you doing that. Yeah, well, coach, thanks you for your time. What's next? What? What kind of game? Who have you got this? We are playing uh tank AVERTI this Friday. Okay, that'll be a good test for

us. You know last year, last two years, we didn't do too well against them, so I know our guys are pretty hungry, especially after that lost last week, so they're anxious to come out and prove themselves there this week. Super Well, thank you, thanks so much for coming on the show. Coach. Oh, no problem, no problem there, appreciating good luck to rest the way. Thank you anything you guys need any time You want to talk, give me, give me a shout out there.

I'll do it when I need a motivation talking. You can coach, appreciate it like right now. Well you know I got I got you real quick before we go. I know we went along, but you know, I look at it. You know, I called up their schedule from last year, looking at their scores. I mean they were a really bad football team. You know, they forfeited a couple of games. You know, they

got shut out a bunch of times. When you look at their schedule from last year and the turnaround already, the Wood two have won three games this year. Yeah, I mean Jed Fish didn't do this well. I mean, you know they got a twenty eight nothing, sixty to nothing, fifty four to nothing, forty eight to nothing, and now then all these scores and now they come out, you know, win three straight. You know not yeah, they got beat last week, but you know, to taste

the winning, you can tell that that's a big deal. Yeah, of course, you know for cat you know Catalina, and that's a it's a it's a it's a nice job to do that over there. So very good, good, good on that. All right, let's take our breakwad come back. We'll take your colls. We'd love to hear from your five two zero, four, one, six, seventy four forty Whose side are you on the media or USC We'll be right back. If you're a men's basketball

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Gang, you know, getting back to you know, talking about the Catalan football coach and some of the other programs here in town that are you know, they're doing better because these guys are coming here to do this and they're coming from everywhere, right, I mean, I mean, you know, mckinsbury was in midwest South Dakota, you know, but you know you had family here and you know you can come and find a place here, and you know they're they're they're how I look, we appreciate that they're coming

here to do this kind of stuff. Sure, sure, making so then Arizona football better yea as we speak. Yep, got Tank Averty this week. Uh you know that with Jay Dobbins with your coach for what three years? Yeah, at least a couple Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, so what are we thinking this weekend? Steve uh with the Arizona Yeah, I think they're gonna kill him the spreads with thirteen eleven and a half of the last thing. I think it's thirteen. It could be maybe it

could be, could be. I think that again, all eyes will be on Colorado and Oregon seeing if Oregon can kind of make them, uh make him reality check. Yeah. I was following some stuff on on on uh Twitter, social media and and uh both draft Kings and bet MGM are saying that right now again, Colorado Oregon game is the most bet on game. Sure already doesn't say which way. Uh no, you know I didn't see

that. No, it just says it's the most bet on game. But yeah, well, either people believe in them or they don't believe in them, and we'll see what happens, right, but now it is when the conference season starts, and we'll see how good they're going to be. I think that the most compelling game. What's the game for you? What's your game? Uh? State game? Okay, oh god, I have to

pick that one. So I think the one, the one that's interesting to be is Oregon State Washington State, Washington Sate at home, and they're a dog, right, Washington State's dog. I'm looking at this right now. I think I think Oregon State's a few points three point three, three, three and a half. I'm here it is. Yeah, Oregon State is a three point favor at Washington State. Yeah, Arizona is eleven and a half. Thirteen. I'd like to better than thirteen. This is the Draft

Kings. Colorado was twenty one were Yeah, I think it was up over twenty twenty one. Let me see, I'm trying to find that one. U Sla Utah is another good game this week. That's another one. That's another one. That's a Utah right giving four and a half, that's another that's a good one. You had Alabama giving seven to Ole Miss, which a lot of people thinking Almiss is gonna win, that a miss is give him a good game. Alas a couple of times, Oregon is twenty one

twenty one. So unless you'd be a good game hunter, is it right, Travis Hunter, he would probably have it down to about seventeen eighteen. Yeah, well it was going into last weekend because there was already a line. It was I think it was eighteen and a half going into the game. When when before Travis under got that's what two and a half points that it? Yeah, that it changed. Well, here we go with a nitty gritty type of things. We'll see what Jetfish says tomorrow right before you

get to Stanford. I think they'll be fine on the road. What I don't think there was a whole lot of fallout for the Dolora stuff. I didn't hear the information, just that the information was out, and as we said, it's something that they're going to take care of in January. So you're kind of like, Okay, this happened, this case is still going right, let's let's move it to uh you know, it's uh interesting.

You know, I use my my Wednesday lunch group as sort of a sounding board on stuff, and everybody's pretty excited saying the same thing as you. I'm not as confident of them killing Stanford. You know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give the eleven and a half points. I'm just gonna stay away from it. But you know, kind of a feeling that and part of it the conversation was they've got all this depth, so they've got all this competition so that you know, the second the second guy come in,

you're gonna keep playing hard, keep trying to impress. Totally because of that, uh you know, they feel like they'll just go out there beat the hell out of same. Totally agree, and what makes a better team. It ms makes a team better competition having that kind of competition, right, you know you not not that you want guys always looking over their shoulder, no, but you want other guys pushing them to keep getting better. You

just made the analogy when we competed for the papers. What made you better? What made us better? Yeah, it was only that you were out there trying to get you a better story than me. And that's what makes for better competition. And I did hate you sometimes. There were a few times, I hope a bunch of times. But the funny thing is, and I say this often during the LUTs times that I covered, when you're when you have like Gilbert Arenas, Hey, some people left Ruben, Ruben

Douglas left. Uh, the kid from Iowa left, Uh, forget his name now? Who trust him? From Yo? And he stayed for then he got hurt. He got hurt, gonna crash Luke record, Luke record because he saw Gilbert Arenas. Right. So so some guys stick around, and you get better playing against Gilbert Renis, right. So then when he leaves, you moving and move into the spot or Richard and and and and Luke and all these guys, because you're playing against these guys exactly and they

move on, you get better. And that's something. And you still you hear you, you hear that even now you know you hear guys talk about you know this year is gonna be that example, playing I gotta play against this guy every game. The guy that I got a guard in the in the game isn't as good? Is it as good? Right? Right?

This year you're gonna see that, man, because they're gonna be deep, they're gonna be talented a lot of spots, right, They're gonna, you know what, They're gonna have some really hard games where you're gonna be able to learn a lot about who these guys are. Right. And that again, I was looking at that schedule. Again, you're not atone and everybody's excited about that. Holy cow. Yeah, and again unfortunate that, Like I think four of them are are neutral court games. But you know there's

one in Phoenix. N says you can't go to that one, but there's one in Vegas. Is a little enticing to go to that for you? On the December twenty third, Yeah, I mean, Merry Christmas is Steve, you know, So, I mean it's I don't know, man, it's a interesting, Uh, it's gonna be fine. It's certainly gonna be

fun to watch this watch his football basketball schedule unfolds. It's a Red and Blue game a week from Friday. From Friday, I know, and I ready, we're not even sure if we're gonna get to not ready, we're not We're not sure we're gonna get Tommy. By that time I asked Nate about about it, he said he wasn't sure. That Tommy's pretty busy. Yeah, I guess we'll mention it because we had I think we had talked

about it on the air. But it doesn't look like we're gonna do the usc thing, you know, for just things just aren't working now, Yeah, either to go to the game or to go and be able to do a thing. So it looks like we're gonna you know, well, miss just it's just very busy. I mean, this is not your only job, my only job. We have a lot of We have a lot of things that we introduced. We think about going up to Vegas before the FAU game, the twenty thirty twenty second? What day is that we gotta call?

We gotta call we gotta call it? All right? Well quick, it's like Christmas. Hi, you're on there are and I on the ball. Hey it's Richard. How you doing that? Richards? You guys, I'm like Colorado on this Oregon game. I know everybody thinks that Oregan's gonna blow them out. I don't believe that. I think that. I know, without Travis Hunter, it's pretty it's kind of shaky looking. Do you think Colorado's pretty beat up after what Colorado State did to him? But I

believe that Dion will have them fired up. I think they I think they'll probably lose. But twenty one point spread is that's a lot, isn't it. Yeah, it seems to me for a team that can score a lot, right, So you think they'll cover, but you don't think they'll win. Is that what you're saying? Well, that's correct. O beat my instinct. I want him to win, so so Richard, I watch the programs that we're not again. I don't pay attention like Jay does because I

just don't pay attention. So in your mind and give me a legit answer. I mean, this is a serious question now, So you you're giving us this information. How good are you doing? How good are you at this? H not that good? Never mind take up this phone call. That's not worth I did. I did pick him earlier, but I'm good at the beginning of the year. This is easy if I believe the first few weeks or the best time to pick it a winner. Yeah, well,

I think before it gets more modeled. I just I think it's earlier in the year. I could be wrong about that too. Well. I'm very happy with your boys from Oklahoma right now. They've been they've been killing it, putting a lot of points on the board. So I'm happy with anybody I know. But I'm on their bandwagon. Yeah about that exactly as long as they cover Who cares? Hey, Richard, all right, that's

going Yeah, appreciated, fourteen point favorites at Cincinnati. At Cincinnati, I'm taking my instinct down that is, it's going to be a pretty close game. I'm taking Oklahoma again, just so you know. Yeah, I hear you, Joy, I hear you know. We could go him out, but you know, these people we go on the road fans Richard Rabbit, who than an Oklahoma fan to say, what's your seen out of Riley?

A usc surprise. We're not surprised. Hey. By the way, I do want to say I apologize for making jokes about Riley the other day on radio on the radio show. We're happy because I read that report again and he actually did have some serious problems so the family was terrorized. That's bad. Okay, thanks Richard, Hey, Richard, we gotta gotta thanks for calling. I'm riding the Sooners, man, I'm gonna stay on the Sooners, all right, Uh all right, we're gonna go take our break.

We've got breaking news. Come back at the top of the hour. Sorry about that, Steve. Steve's got something going on over here on the side, but we'll be back. Take your calls. Breaking news, all kinds of stuff going on. Then we've got bo Brack. We're gonna talk some cardinals in the second hour, so be sure to stick around for all of that. We'll be right back.