This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jakin Zalis on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen powered by Nova Insurance Services Ensure your most Prized Possessions. Katz R two SA at iHeart Radio Station. Kay, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to I in the bout here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's Jagins as we have Jason in the Million today. Welcome to Wednesday. Lots to get to a lot of brinky news. I think. Yeah,
there's a lot of stuff going on, honness. Yeah, and Double A Division on const whole bunch of stuff, right, well some of that and the NFL too, I think, is doing some stuff with gambling too,
right they're getting stiffer. Oh yeah, they there. There's a bunch of guys that we're gonna miss the next season, right, they got caught up doing a little bit of a little bit of too much gambling, maybe gambling on foot on football and stuff, which is just an obvious big no no. But uh, Nancy double A actually coming out a little reasonable. Um. You know when you when you consider that gambling is everywhere, and
you know you still if you're callege athlete. You still can't gamble, but the penalties are a little a little less um crushing for for some of these guys. Yeah, okay, and our guests today are gonna be pretty good. One both local obviously, right Keona will Hiked, the South Point kid that committed to Arizona this last week. Uh, you know, talking about pick his brain. I'm on recruiting right and how it went why you know, justin spears as a as a story on him that posted today. Yeah,
I'm looking at it right now. Um, I think just a little while ago. Actually, um no, yesterday posted yesterday, but you know, just talking about why he chose Arizona. But you know, I'm more curious about what's recruiting like now, right, you know, how much is nil playing in the you know these kids and maybe and if not specifically to
him, maybe to others. Right, yeah, maybe he'll tell us how much Oregan's offered Eliza Rushing now well, you know, we'll just you know, I think people are curious about the recruiting process now and what that's like for athletes and why they wind up at certain places. Yeah okay, And then in the second hour an interesting guests as we continue to talk about NIL. Yeah. Ray Wells is the executive director of the of the NIL Collective
for the U of A UH friends of Wilbur and Wilma. It's the fund that that that h is used to you know, put NIL money into the hands of athletes at Arizona. UM. You know, I'd be interested to see, you know, raise opinion or just his thoughts on is this working the way it's supposed to work, and how's it working at Arizona. Of course he's going to say we're doing it by the book, but you know, i'd be curious, you know, are there a lot of people who
are not. We had that conversation with Jake Josh Pastor yesterday, right, Yeah, so that'll be interesting. We've already had Arizona assistant and to show what they do no differences, which is not a collective, it's it's a base see a marketing arm for basketball that that gets money, it puts hands in the end it does the same thing and puts hands in the money in the putting money in the hands of basketball players. They kind of do it
in a little different way. So we'll just you know, pick Rai's brainness. Okay, how does this actually work? What are you doing? Uh? I wanted to say yesterday, man, we talked about about the guy's name up Luke for RELLI forever really that it was just a few hours later he decided to flip and go to Stanford. He did flip and go to
Stanford again. You know, if my kid's an athlete, and I mean, look, if if if there's like a seventy five eight percent shot that he's gonna order that, you're pretty sure he's gonna have somebody's gonna have an opportunity to play professional professionally, You're gonna want to go to school to maximize that. But if you think, look, he's maybe got a fifty fifty shot. Uh, you know, it depends on how it goes. Oh and here's Stanford calling. Don't you tell your kid to go to Stanford?
Oh? Yeah, of course? Right? Who are your picks? Arizona from Stanford or Arizona? Yeah? Well, you know what, you you had a chance to go we're here, Um, I chance to college in schools like all of the country, to be honest, And you just said a little old dusty yeah, because they offered the most money. Well that's right. You said that before I would have went to school to in New York, but they didn't offer me enough. My knees Almere, New York. Oh god, you're one of those. Yeah, I have my reasons.
My daughter had, you know, a lot of opportunities like that one, and she took Claremont College on southern California. She got a whole bunch of money, right, Yeah, and yet it still cost us as much to put her through there as it would have cost if she had stayed here without the college. It's still but it was you know, it's a great school and she's doing really well with it. But uh, you know,
you got to balance all that out. Yeah, okay, So we'll talk to him about all that, uh and more obviously with with our guests on nil and recruiting, what else going on. Um, there's a lot of things always mentioned the NCAA Division one council coming out with a whole bunch of rules, and I will do some of this and breaking news, but I really want to cover the gambling one because obviously that's important to you and me, Steve. But um, because the gambled. But um, what they've
done is they've made the penalties for gambling significantly more reasonable. Um, and that being that you know before, if you got caught gambling on anything, you could be or would likely be suspended for the year. There was a kid out of out of out of Virginia Tech who got caught. He put four hundred dollars on an end on the NBA Finals, and they initially suspended
them for the year, reduced it to six games. Now that same instance would have cost him only ten percent of his game, so he would have missed a game one point two games, right, a game and a part of another. What they're saying is, look, you know, the colleges and every body else is bodying on all the on all the gambling, and then to say, well, we approve of it, but we don't approve of it for you is a little hypocritical. So what they've done is they've
made the penalties a little more reasonable. I mean, if you get caught gambling on your own sport, and if you get caught providing information to gamblers about your sport or sports at your school, yeah you're gonna still face a harsh penalty. But if you go pat one hundred bucks on an NBA Finals
game, you're gonna lose a game. And they're still saying it's against the rules to gamble, right, but just the penalties are so we you cover recruiting, recruiting for a long time, twenty some years, um and I always got to kick out of it. And it continues. We saw the big event and FEEDIX right over the weekend the Section seventh. But but Vegas has been like the hot spot for all all things I know, for soccer with my sons and basketball. But it's to me, it's obviously entertainment for
the parents, but the kids. The kids are there too, and it's it's stay away, stay from, stay away from the game. They places, but but they're right there, but they're they're right there. And then you have schools, then you have schools now and this is no slight Dell Soul, the Diamond h are big, big players in Phoenix, the Heila River. Yes, sponsors exactly, we want you, but kids don't don't
participate. You know, it's a little hypocritical of not a little hit, I mean a lot of hypocal One point, weren't did they come close to naming the field that Arizona Stadium for casino name had probably been thrown out. Yeah, yeah, so you know, yeah, I mean very hypocritical. So it's it's kind of like, you know, well, I'm sure you remember this back in the early nineties century Quick I think was still the the NC double A guy, and we're at the final four back then, because
we went and people didn't want to put the lines in the papers. Can you get NC double A did not want I mean, yes, you're crazy. Yeah, they tried to the u A try to get the airs on the Daily Star and the Tesson Citizen quit putting point spreads in the newspaper like no, you know what I mean, no, So yeah, and that's every newspaper and that and that's and we've come from that to this exactly,
which is fine. Look, kids are gonna gamble and there's still gonna be someone are gonna go out to break the rules and and do stupid things. I mean, we've got these these NFL players who are about to we're about to lose a season because because they're gambling. You know, we saw you know, Stanley berry Hill, you know, lost your suspended and then you eventually got cut from his team, you know, after after a gambling gambling thing. But you know it's prevalent. You know, you're you're there's too
much of it. You know they're building sports books in pro stage. That's another thing, right, So you know, how are you gonna say, we're gonna do that, but you can't you can't partake. Well, you know it's the same as well, you know, we're we're you know, we're gonna set of alcohol. But you can't have any right. And we know it's all with discretion within the individual because they know the rules or they shouldn't know the rules. And and and I think what this does, it
shows, you know, some reasonableness. They still don't want athletes gambling, but they're saying, you know, you're you're not gonna lose your career because you can't know. But let's go take the Las Vegas Invitational. Let's invitation and play there and stay at the MGM, I mean the Pact twelve may have its office. And walk through the walk through the casino, right you got yeah, I mean you go check into the casino. You gotta take your kids. I mean at a hotel, you got to walk your kids
through the casino. Ye. So but you know, again, just real quick over there. So if you if if an athlete gambles two hundred dollars or less, they've got to go to basically an education class. Two hundred and one dollars to five hundred, they lose ten percent of their season, plus they got to go to this education class and then goes up you know, five hundred, eight hundred lose twenty percent. Eight greater than eight hundred
you lose thirty percent. And if you if you gamble over eight hundred dollars, then the NCAA a kind of just looks at your individual case and that you can be permanently banned from you know, from a season or a team or whatever. So it's it's it just takes into account the severity of whatever
it is you're doing, which kind of makes sense. But in the end, it says student athletes to do anything to influence the outcomes of their own games or provide information to others involved with betting will permanently lose college eligibility in all sports. And this rule also applies to athletes who wager on their own
games or other sports at their schools. So there's it's still a very harsh penalty if you get too close to it, right and then uh, then if you if you bet on um on your own sport, but at another school you lose, you can lose fifty percent of your season's eligibility. So again, in the end, you know, don't do it if you're a college athlete. But if you do, you know, it's not the end of the world if you get caught. Just hold I was I knew that way. I asked you, I was gonna try to make it. If
you were twenty, I would say, don't drink. Don't drink. Yeah, if you have friends who drink, look the other way. Did you But did you ever think about your parents, you know, if your parents drank you, did you ever think it's not fair they get to drink? And I never, I never never thought I thought, Okay, I'll get to drink when I get to a certain name. Yeah, they can tell
me no up until that point, and that's fine. But I never felt like it was unfair that I was sixteen and couldn't you know, couldn't have a Jack Daniels. Yeah, I think the biggest debate back in our day because it was eighteen nineteen and then the grandfather. I don't can't remember how how that went, um, But it was if you can go to war, how come you can't drink? You know that fight? That argument smoking, I think too is whatever it was, you know, because this is
my advice. Whoever that to you that two eighteen year olds listened to it right now, because no kids listen to it? Um um, be an adult sucks. Take your time. I've been getting there. Yeah. It has its privileges, but it has its responsibilities too. And you know, when you're a kid man, just have fun with it. And I guess I never thought, you know, god, this isn't fair that I'm seventeen years old and I can drive and yeah, or I'm eighteen and I never
thought or I could go to war or whatever. I never sat through the thought it's not fair that my mom or my dad get to drink. And I got yeah, no, never ever ever thought. I didn't think that. I just think not my parents. Put the other peoples. I think I had too much. He's like like a fool. I just waited my turn. Yeah, I just waited my turn. And it was nineteen when I got when I got to be nineteen before they before they bumped it up
to twenty one. Yeah. But you're already grandfather didn't. Probably it was at that tap, I think it was. I think I was already twenty one when they bumped into twenty one, so right, you know so, And yes I did go out on my nineteenth birthday, and yes I did showed some things that I show up very much. I remember I did say I went to drive through I was in LUs Crusoes of the time, and I went after you got a six pact the laure idea I should have to
that. They started laughing at me. This is stupid. I don't even thought it was stupid. Yeah, you know, you did it because you could, Right, you did it because you could. Yeah. But anyway, so that, you know, so a bunch of other stuff they came out with today, which I think will cover in breaking news um of some some stuff that a sort of seeming I don't almost reasonable. He's a new guy already in is the new guy? No, he doesn't tech. I
don't think he technically starts till after the first of the year. So I thought it was like now in the summer. I could I could be wrong, whatever his name is, but this is the division one consent. All these again are proposals. They still got to be voted on by the membership to pass. But you know that they vetted all this stuff and they probably got support for for for doing all these things. They're not going to roll
these things out there and then not push them through none. Nothing seems extremely controversial. It just seems like they're almost like they're cleaning some things up right, in which there's a lot of cleaning up that the n has to has to do with itself. So okay, hey, why don't we go to break um. I'll text, uh, you know, to mister will Hi Will Hi that we're calling him now and be back from up three minut We'll be back to talk about with one of the Arizona's top recruits. Certainly it's
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five six six zero or visit our website hard Works Concrete dot com. We'll put the work in for you. Dreay Live I mean my heart radio whip. This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen and welcome back to All on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen ticking. I'm Steve Rivera, He's Jakenzalz. How on the phone, we have Kiona will Height from South Point Catholic, who recently committed to the errors on the football program. Kiona, how are you great? Great to
have you on the show. Everyone in Tucson, u A Football included, excited to have you part of the car of the Kat's family. How are you doing awesome right now? How you so the recruiting process, Keona? I mean, was it was it fun for you? Did you enjoy it? Um? You're taking trips and that type of stuff? I mean, what did you like about the recruiting process? And then were there some things that you really could have done without? Um? I liked the trips are
fun. Being able to take my family out to all these different places was amazing. Um where they were? What could go? Yeah, I was gonna say, no, where did you go? But when you went on a trip, what were your goals? You know about that trip? What did you want to find out? When you went to a campus including Arizona. I wanted to find out wasn't funnily how did they develop the players? And um, what their culture was like and what the team chemistry was,
how that was and what did you find out here here? I found out ms great. Everybody's nebly just a family, especially with the coaches as we see the coaches more of uncles. And and you're not gonna go far. I mean a lot of people leave, especially from South Point, who have left the city to go to other programs. But you're gonna You're gonna stay close. What did that mean to you? And that's a lot You're having my family year, I'll be able to see everything I do and they almost
any part of my scheme experience. So in the community too, we've just been very supportive since this time. So looking at at Justin Spears story that came out on you yesterday, you know, you're you come from a military family, You've moved around, so how long have you been here and in that time, you know, have you been an Arizona fan? You know, what have you thought of the program, especially knowing that you were going
to be playing football and might have this opportunity. I've been here for seven years now and beats in the first stadium O game, watching football game, and he's seeing how the atmosphere was amazing. How did you become the ball player you've become? Did you have mentors? Did you have people like that? Who's pushed you? Um? My biggest mentor was my father about my whole Jamie Hughes h He's always been including me. He's my train in my
nutrition as long as my mother. So you have a nutritionist. So it's so he's not he's not barbecue and you burgers in the backyard. You know, at some point, Keona, you you know, you knew this opportunity was coming your way. You know, when did you really have to start taking this seriously? You know, and and and you know, make sure that you're healthy, make sure you're working out as much as you needed to work out, make sure that you're you know, training and all those kinds
of things. When did this become serious business for you to be able to get this opportunity? Um, my freshman year, that's when I started to become serious. I was just saying, what precautions did you know? In what way? I guess in what way? Yeah, when I realized I wasn't um at the standards. I guess for myself because when I started, I looked, um what I needed to do or I needed to be able to lift to be a top recruit. I've been seeing those numbers like,
wow, I'm nowhere close. So I began changing with my dad almost every day and just draining the gym, was on to the field, running lifting weights and just studying my position. What was that like having your dad worked with you on that stuff? I mean, did you guys, did you get closer? Was it a father sun relationship? Was that a coach player relationship? A combination of the two. What was that relationship like with your dad, who I'm sure you know had to push you and get you to
do things and maybe we're gonna be really hard for you. Um, it was most of both. Yeah, it was really fun. Yeah, difficult sometimes it's really fun. We bonded over there a lot. Is but he is my biggest critic. Yeah, as parents can be right. And and then you know you're in a program. You got into a program at South Point where this kind of became an expectation, or is an expectation for a lot of guys that you're going to have this kind of an opportunity being in
that program. How did that sort of elevate you in terms of, you know, being in the position that you're in now. It just made me work hard, especially being around though prospects like and Louis couldova seeing them and not a fun or like I need some on my game. Yeah, it's it's funny because I was reading he used to live on the east side, right or maybe he distill does Santa Rita, Sienaga. And then you decided
you decided to go to South Point, so that you had to. I mean, you saw those guys and you're saying and the good thing is you did that because now you're noticed or being noticed. Ye know, how was that said, Hey, this is a different world. It was a bit overwhelming. I was very exciting, but really nervous because it was a new territory from you know, but a welcome don't not sure? Yeah, I mean at some point you had to get it really excited about what, you
know, what might be in front of you. Were you more excited or more nervous about whether you really were going to have this opportunity? You know, were you really were going to have a chance to get a scholarship and go to school and play football in college. You know, at what point did nervousness become Okay, I got this. Now I just got to improve my chances, improve my status. I think I got my first office from
you. So when I got that I'm gay, I'm music, that made even work hard have a bigger work det It just got me very excited. How important was that first one? Because I saw the list U c l A Washington, Oregon state by you? Was there a close second? Was there a second? The second let the second choice? Yeah, second choice? Yeah, because you get your first love, which is probably Arizona, but then you get other choices. Oh my second one, what is you
cla? Yeah? Yeah, but the first one they saw me early before I really got to like start with my skills. And then since the first offered me to been in contact NonStop Friday tips, don't know how much did that matter? Because I was told a previous player, one of the player, one of the from that great class that was with b Jean Robinson and those guys. One of those players who went who went out of town. He was a local kid um and they said one of the reasons he went
to the school he went to was because that school was first. They were the first ones to make him an offer, and he stuck with him the whole way. How much of a big deal is that, obviously it was for you, and how much do you think it is for some of the other guys to you to you kind of play a favorite because they were the first ones to recognize you. Is is that a big deal to you guys? For me, it shows that they actually believed and cared for me,
and if I think it goes the same with other guys too. So Stout Point has been a nice little train to a lot of success out there in college football. Is there any I don't know, pressure that might be too much of a word for you guys to continue that legacy, you know, Bejean and some others, Ransom and some of the guys going out and doing really well. I don't feel too much pressure about it because on our roster we have a bunch of pop talented guys, a lot of guys who did
do multiple things. They just need that exposure. So I feel like in the upcoming years will be fine. So I want to ask you about the recruiting process a little bit because you know, Steve and I, you know, we weren't college recruits of any sort. Even if we were, it would have been so long ago. It's different now, you know, you
got you know, there's the whole aspect of nil. There's a whole aspect of the trans reporter where you may be getting recruited by somebody all of a sudden they you know, that school might pull in a player at your position who's got experience, and who's you know, who's gonna who's gonna play and whatnot. How do all those things factor in for for you or how did they factor in for you when you were deciding where to go? You know,
how much is NIL playing? And not just your recruiting but other people's recruiting and then all the other issues that had come with that and my recruiting. I didn't really and I owe it a big part of it. My biggest part was seeing the players and what they do to take care of them. On an office field, that's a typically, well you're exactly what they need. What six five two forty? Is that right? You're probably gonna
get bigger than that. They need some guys on the line who are aggressive, so you must be just kind of chumping at the bit ready to go, even though you have another year with high school. Oh, sir, I will get bigger, I tend. My goal is to be too fifty by the end of my senior year, so that I'm big closer to where they need me be on the line to be able to play my quest year. Sure, how much is this a big load off your mind to have made up your mind on this so you don't have to go into you know,
the season and still be uncertain and stuff like that? Is that part of why you committed, you know when you did to just kind of sort of be done with it? And are you done with it? Or you know, are you still getting contacts from people now? Well, I'm not getting contacted by anyone. I'm just talking about my costes. But the reason why I did commit so early it was years because just even leaves the other spins and when I did married me it was really so but they both shut
off my back. Yeah, sure, no, good, it's tiring. It's tired. You get the calls and it's constant and YadA YadA, you know, and it probably you're now you're getting ready for the senior year, senior year in high school, so it kind of makes it just for you know, enjoyed football. Yeah, it tiring? I mean did you kind of get tired of the whole process? I mean, was it just did it wear you out? It was tiring? Right? Did you let me out all the phone calls? It kind of because I'll be risking my family
and then I'm like, but it's over. Well, I will say, you look good in the uniform. I love the picture that you know that got posted. How fun? How fun is that part of the you know, the visit when you put on the uniform and do the photo shoot and all that kind of stuff. Did you have a blast with that? Was it kind of like, Okay, I gotta do this. I mean, how did you take that? Oh? It was? It was great. It's really fun, especially having my siblings in my family and you either smile
or they're doing their poses. It is amazing. Right, So is that going to be your number yet? Do you know that yet? The number that the jersey that you wore, or have they Have you even gotten that far with that? You know? What? What do you know about what it's going to be like for you when you're actually when you actually get there,
you know, after you're done in high school. Once I get there, I know it's going to be difficult to get a spot, and I'm kind of looking forward to because if it's not, I'm not right because I want people with the same mindset as me who are very competitive. If I don't have that, then you know, Phil, what what are you both looking forward to now? At south Point this year? How good are you guys going to be? Will be amazing? Let's see what thanks, he
says with a chuckle, like you're ready for us. You have no idea what's coming at you? Right? All right, Keona, that's a lot of fun. You know, hey, best of luck to senior season. Looking forward to seeing you in a in a uniform whether you were fifty five or not. But uh, you know, congratulations man, you know it sounds like you put in a lot of hard work. Great, thank you, great to have you. Thanks so much. Kona will Hate from seth
Point. Sounds like a good kid. Yeah, you know how I know this who the way he sounded, but he has two parents that were in the army. It's a you're a good kid or else, right, I should though, that's pretty much kind that's kind of did you have a military No, no, no, My dad was in the military, but not for very long. It is certainly not now. He was out by the time he started his family, So we didn't have a We didn't have a
lot of them. Yeah, but he was. He was kind of military, like, wouldn't he as as far as that goes, Yeah, I mean he was disciplinarian and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, you know, Okay, Okay, he was scary sometimes. Yes, Okay, let's take a break. It's nice. Nice to have a should have Keana well Hike, thank you for for being on the show. Stick around. We still got Ray Wells coming up. We're gonna have a serious nil conversation with
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at als. It's Steve Ribera and Jake and Zombis. This is I on the Ball on Fox Sports fourteen fit to welcome back twin the Back Fox Sports fourteen fifty MC. He's Jake. We have Jason in the house today. We have fourteen minutes. We'd like to call five two old, four one six, seventy four forty. We'd appreciate it. We have a lot of
call. We have a lot of listeners. I loved Kean will HiT's answer to the you know, we asked him the nil question and he said, you know, what was important to him was, you know, how they treated me and how they treat their players in the future and you know,
developed right, and how they developed players and stuff like that. Now, I don't know if that says that there's not a lot, you know, a lot of money flowing around over there, but or you know, maybe he you know, he's got something going and it keeps it to himself. But you know, what he said was important to him was that, you know, I wanted to see how they you know, how they handled their
players. And in the end, that's got a matter, right, because if you're making all the money in the world and it's a crappy place to be, it's no fun either. No, of course it's not unless you have obligations that you have to do that. But yeah, no, there's nothing more miserable being in the place you don't want to be. Yeah, So I thought that was, you know, interesting stuff. But he's a three star, so he's a guy who's you know, got got a lot
of looks. Six four two forty and he's a three star. Get a hold of monte get Troy and them on the phone. Yeah, okay, who comes up with his numbers? I don't know. Kids, well, you know well, And that's kind of the one of the funny things about it, because you know that sometimes the stars depend on you know, who's who's recruiting. He's recruiting like you might be a three star, all of sudden order dame comes calling. Oh, now you're a four star just because
of that, not because you got any better. Right, what's what's that movie with Patrick Dempsey? Patrick Dempsey here? That was fimland tsa Can't Bind Me Love? How did his appeal get better? Ore there? Women? Yeah, he was a little exactly exact recruiting. Yeah, yeah, that was yeah. I I didn't think that that would come along as part of our recruiting discussion. But it fits. But that's fit. I will say that does fit. The more the hotter the women like you, the better
the more stars you get, you get no matter how you look. And then and then he became a dreamy with all that. Okay, but yeah, that's just how it is. No fantastic six foot four and the edge Rusher uh and maybe his buddy uh Elijah. Yeah, we'll we'll decide on Arizona too. I guess we get about a week for that. That's funny.
On one of the one of the text threads that I that I'm on, we were running down the best Arizona football players from Tucson, Okay, and we're just we're just running a list of who they were, you know, and and obviously you know guys like Codem carry Um, Vance Johnson came up. I contributed Vance Johnson. These guys are not nobody. Those guys. I'm sure David is not listening to us, but what are people watching
his teammate? Who's his teammates? Sims? Yeah, Larry Smith went to see Fred Simms and he saw David Adams and John Horton, and both of those guys end up being, you know, long time stars in Arizona. But um, you know Cadeem carry Um Brooks read his name came up. Um, God, who are some of the others? I should go back to the thread, um, but we're we're reaching back to just I threw in another these guys know that these guys have heard of Jim Crown. He
was a kid out of a kid out of Amphi started playing it. He was in the Tony Mason years. Uh. He was a starter as a freshman option quarterback. I mean, uh, that team had a game where they only threw two passes and won the game. It would have been seventy six before seventy seven seventy eight time frame. Um. But there were a whole bunch of uh, you know, God him, I'm looking through this.
Um. Adam Hall, remember Adam Hall. He was, he was really good and then he got hurt that he was the defensive back out of the safety out of Santa Rita. Um. Uh, Jared Tavis Mark Arnisson was a name, Jake Fisher. They threw in Jake Jake Fisher's name came up Mike Dawson for a lot of years, obviously, John Fena. Um. Yeah, you'll know who was on the stadt. I tell you. Jacob Barsooman. Yeah, he was on his thread under his brother through his name. And I see this picture and I don't know why I can't.
I'm spishing it. But another guy that we covered back in eighty eight, Big dude, big dude, he's a cyclist. Now he got hurt his knee Uh god, he's a friend of mine. He works for Chevrock. Oh a Doug Panner. No, no, no, God, it'll come to me once we stopped. It'll no. He's he's no a cyclist, but he was an offensive, defensive, offensive lineman. Big dude. Oh god, it's good to kill me. Uh eighty eight. He was. He was a pretty all American um from Tucson out the google. Oh oh
oh oh oh yeah, the big guy. But um um um um, Mike Escos, that's it right with my high school. Yeah, that's that guy. Yeah, that's our high school. That's a good name. You remembered. And I see him. He's a cyclist now, Uh, but not the guy you thought you saw him. You'd never guess that. That's Mike Jasco. He was a big dude. He's a big dude now he's a thin big dude. He was a man among boys in high school. Yeah, he really was. You know. I watched him play and he
just he was just run over him and he got hurt, prettier. He very barely played. Yeah in Arizona, I remember that um play Heart get out of out of Morana? Who was sat David? Is that including that same David the kid you know those guys. Yeah, I know we're talking to son that doesn't they through Clay Heart's name. He said, if if you count Morana uh In, you know, in that group. So it's pretty fun going through that whole that whole listen, running through guys. Uh
So, who was at who'd you come up with? Well, we just came up with a blatz. We're just coming up with a list. It wasn't necessarily trying to pick the best one. It was just a list of guys. Did I say Jared Tevis, Yeah, he's a Jared Tevis. So. Mark Arnson, who played with a lot of years with the Cardinals,
came out of Poliverdi High School in the sixties. You know when we covered I'm unto this name about you, and I thought he was like a torpedo when he played eighty eight, eighty nine, ish uh Spurlock, Mike Scarlock, Slock, Skirlock out of buff dude, sunnyside of someone of those sunny side Yeah, I think it was a sunny side dude. Yeah, and then awful ninety one year that he was like, you know, six two two h five and he played middle linebacker for that team because they were
out of guys, they had so many injuries. That was Dick Toomy's a ninety. And then he go played Ohio State. I remember saying. They showed an end zone shot of Scarlock on a skirlock on a blitz and then he never even got close to the line because they were just they just put up a wallet in front of him. But those guys tried so hard. But yeah, Mike Scarlock remember that name as well. Oh yeah, um yeah. But David Adams, uh, you know, and and you know,
um um and uh. Keona Wilhide mentioned that a little bit that or Eric Rodgers said it that guys were coming to see Elijah rushing and then they saw Keona Wilhide, you know, and they're like, who's that guy? And that's what that's what David Adams, you know, because David Adams was five foot nothing right and and uh and you know, Larry Smith got two guys out of there when fred Fred Simms uh ended up going to Oklahoma. So okay, So that's yeah, but that was fun. That was a
fun exercise we went through. And so just a bunch of guys from you know, guys from Tucson. And you know there's been a lot of players, but not a lot of but fewer who actually made a huge impact, you know. But you know I was condemn carry. I think you know, you can argue was the best of them, all right, you can
argue that. Yeah, I don't know how Fred Simms was, how good was from Fredsons and played Arizona though, okay, you know, yeah, yeah, local guys probably, I mean VNS Johnson was here as a running back and he should have been a wide receiver the whole time, and he was a wide receiver in the NFL, and he's probably had wouldn't he be the more colorful, more um the established guy from Locals who played in the NFL because condem did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah,
VNS Johnson played a lot of years in the NFL. You know him, John Fena, I remember John Ena was not No, he's not if he just came in and he built himself into that player that he became. Yeah, and then he moved, he was moved. He was came in on the defensive line and moved offensive line. So up there next to Glenn Partners. If anything, um Dick told me, we know he was the father flying again type. They love playing for him. But he evaluated talent pretty
good. He could tell, you know, he could tell guys. And then he again Dick told me knew who Arizona was right when he came to recruit. You know, now, the one time he got killed. I was just gonna tell you that. I was just gonna say that because he got shot for the stars and you can argue that that led to ultimately led
to him. Yeah, you know, you know, but but wouldn't you because I thought this would happen with rich Rod after the or the fistival success, You're thinking, Okay, we got to get some guy people know Arizona and that kind of fell flat too. They couldn't they could establish themselves from that Arizona because Arizona's Arizona. So but you guess what, Jay, guess what, Jay, you're listening to me now, because they are in the
twelve the right football I've always thought that. Never, I've never I've never veered from that opinion in football. They are in basketball, they're yeah, all the way at the time, they're they're a program that's gonna have to get you know, evaluate they're much better than everybody else. You're not gonna go get a guy just just because he's a five Star. You're gonna get a guy who fits what you do and then who you can develop over time. Um, you know, Conde Carrey was one of those guys as good
as he was Teddy Bruski his last two years. You know, you know, they all came in as guy, as just guys, and then they became that, they became the stars that they became, right, and they weren't always destined for that. They came in did the work, and you have to have not only you have to have some physical ability, but you have to have the mindset. Yeah, you have to have that mindset to come in, do that work, put in that work, be patient in a lot of ways to be able to get there. Yep. And you
know guys who aren't patient. You know, Arizone is not that team. Yeah, no, they don't. Those guys leave or don't orally give up. Um, because you don't see I mean, come on, you don't see the five stars, the four stars and the guy that they had from Florida right s lasted about a three days yeah, and even that yeah,
and then went to Florida yeah, so, you know. I mean, look, I remember the one name the six when John John mcvicoinne got that kids Sean O'Hare quarterback, Yeah, and they thought he this guy, I don't know if he was a five star even had starts at that time, but he was widely considered one of the top quarterbacks in the country. And knowing that the program was already in the crapper because of Macavic, my opinion was there's something wrong with him because Arizona was able to get him that.
I didn't think he was legitimate top quarterback recruit because I thought if he was, he wouldn't have come to Arizona or he was convinced somehow, And he didn't. He didn't. He didn't. He wasn't he didn't. He didn't pan out. Yeah, he didn't pan out out and it didn't work out for him. Same with the guy that that that uh that uh that someone had the kid, No, the quarterback, Um, what the hell was his name? He's been to like four schools since then. Oh Oh yeah,
good Goodell that one yeah, yeah, grank Canel. Yeah, he's he's I don't even know where he's at now, right, you know, So I mean, you know, you just don't know. Uh No, that's one thing you just don't know. And for for rich Rod, the best quarterback he had, with all apologies to Dawkins was Khalil Yeah by a lot, Yeah a lot. And it took him. It took him by accident. It was. It was a complete accident that he found it.
I remember watching that game at a bar, the Colorado again, the Colorado game, and we're like, oh god, here comes here comes Brandon Dawkins. He can't throw the ball and then he gets hurt. Then this kid comes in, he go, what the hell is going why? And then he did it again again and again, also what the hell is going on? And before the end of the game, order like, why hasn't he? That was the question I was gonna say. You're thinking yourself, how
did this happen? You know that he's good obviously, Why hadn't he? Why hadn't he? What was what was the deal? Because we saw a little bit of him the year before. I remember he had to come in in the game at UCLA UM and you know, and you could tell he was raw. He just ran the ball a lot because he you tell, he didn't really know the offense though, I think, and I think right there was the answer to the question. He really didn't know the offer.
So then all of a sudden he comes in in this game and it's like, what the hell? And then he did like four games in a row and you go, what the hell run putting forest gun into forest game, ri Rod, what the hell were you doing? And it was a fun time for you fans because you're thinking, you're thinking he was like four times
player of the week in the back that they couldn't stop him. Yeah, this was the guy that Arizona had been looking until until I want to say, until the Hue game when he got hit and he says, I don't need this though I don't like, you don't want this kid? So no, I you know, but um, you just you know, you just don't know. And again when you when you go back through all you're the guys who were the top players at Arizona, you know Hall of Fame guys,
right, Well, Ricky Honey was a was a prized recruit. But you think you know, Rob Waldrop, you know underside you're short right for a defensive lineman, Jendy Bruce Ki not you know, not super recruited Chuck Cecil. They were guys that that made themselves into what they were. No, no question can come in with that, no question. None of those guys were steven. Remember that as we only have fifty seconds. So did
they make them or did the coaches make coaches make them both? But you don't understand if you have that in you, you're gonna you could turn them and you still need a coach to draw it out, right, So so maybe we'll discuss this later on the other half. Yeah, yeah, I think you know, you know, you have to have a coaches to have to draw that stuff out, and they happen to have guys who could. So all right, let's take our break top of the hour. We're gonna
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