Steve Rivera and Jakin Salles. They have their eye on the ball on two Suns Sports Stage. Ya, Fox Sports fourteen fifty streaming live. I mean, I heart Radio Whip. They welcome back to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, you're Jakin's all saying we have some breaking news. This is high on the ball breaking news on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. All right. We did mention this a time or two in the conversation, but didn't really go into it. Arizona State has renamed
Sun Devil Stadium. Yeah, Mountain America Stadium after the it's a it's a fifteen year naming rights deal with Mountain America Credit Union. Actually it's technically Mountain America Stadium, home of the a SU Sun Devils. Who the only ones we're gonna call it that are broadcasters because they know they have to these advertisers. But you're not calling that. I'm not calling it that. A lot of other people have said there, have come on and come around and said
that they're not calling it that. But I haven't heard the terms of the deal. But you know, money's money, right, right, we'll talk to Uh, we'll talk to Doug about it. To Doug Hollar, was that that? As? That was? At that the press conference, mont Jody Ayler tweeted out, our frequent guests will always be Sun Devil Stadium. Mountain America's gonna paying me money, so it remains Sun Devil Stadium on the show, Uh, somebody named Andrew Joseph. Everyone is still calling it Sun
Devil Stadium. John kanzowno Sun Devil Stadium it is. Uh. So, you know, it's it's hard to come in sure on a deal like that, like like like the ballpark, like the baseball field up there, it was Bank One Ballpark originally. So a lot of people that still Bank America America America West Arena. How many years ago was that that you've been You've been on that side of the corporate Well, I was. I was at at two Sun Electric when I my my my time there. People still I
was in the naming rights deal. I was. In fact, it was myself and a guy from the Diamondbacks who called it that. I mean, it wasn't rocket size you call it that, but that's you know that we came up with the name. To this day, people still call it. It's Keeno State, Keeno Memorial Stadium. You say Keeno Stadium to somebody to
go, where's that electric Park? Oh? Yeah, I remember you've been able sense where you asked them to put that in the name of it, right, and it's and newspaper people or depends who they are, the media won't do that. And it's because it was the first name, right bank one ballpark with the first name now the Cardinals Stadium. I don't even remember what the first name of that was. Wasn't Phoenix, Wasn't the University of Phoenix Stadium? Or is it State Farm? What is it? And you
know what it is? Now right there? It is. That's part of the deal. It's like, okay, huh you know, uh, you know it's where the place where the Cardinal's going to die. Yeah, and I you know, and I imagine that if if they somebody came along and wanted by the naming Rice Arizona Stadium, people still going to it. Yeah, Michael Center will always be Michaelson Change. I don't think they'll ever do
that. Well, who are they gonna do it? What exactly? I mean, if you're if you're a company wanting to buy the naming rights. You know, people aren't going to use I mean, yes, we'll will you know, in the in the program, will let's say, you know, YadA YadA YadA stadium or you know, on a on a on a tweet or whatever, but people in conversation aren't gonna call it the name of the stadium. Brian Jefferies would have to yeah, yeah here, you know,
we're here from you know, Casino Del Soul Stadium. He would have to. Ye. But outside of those guys, right, it's Arizona Stadium and that so there's we'll talk to Doug about about that. Uh about that a little later when he's coming on at about three twenty or four twenty. Um, all right, well, two more Arizona guys on national award watch lists. Um that that brings their number to six, which I don't know if I ever remember that happening, right, I want to you know?
Um uh Tyler loop uh was put on the lou Groza Award watch list, which is the best you know placekicker h in the country. Uh a um, an award that Steve McLoughlin won back in no right after I finished Ye yeah, yeah. Um, So that and then um, Kyle Austin Dorp the putter, he's on the Ray Guy Award watch list for the country's best punter. And then to review we've talked yesterday, Jordan Jordan Morgan and Jonas Savana both on the Outland Trophy watches for best Lineman. And then um Jade
Delora and Jacob Cowen on the Maxwell watched this. Yeah, that's you know, Arizona getting some love nationally. I mean whether or not those guys actually win any of those awards or get to the Semis or whatever, but they're being named. Let me ask you this, and it's a dumb question too, and I know I'm gonna get a good answer. Uh. I think I know the answer. I know the answer. Um. So we're hearing all these names and there are all these lists, uh, and we know
that the tell us better. We're doing it because it is and I know it is. But it was so bad. It's so bad that now we're just happy that they have guys, you know what I'm it was so extream
to one side. Wait wait when you when you say that they're getting on these lists because it was so bad, Well no, no, no, no, it's very obviously paying attention good because they had when that guy when who was a washerman said that one in a thousand, yeah, one top one thousand player, And in some of the time you're thinking, holy what the hell was he doing? And now that was zero that was like zero effort. Now you have all this effort and you're thinking is it bad obvious
how bad it was, or is just this good? Well? I think that you know, they've got players who have done some things right. Jane Delora was one of the top ten passing quarterbacks yardagewise in the country last year. Jacob Colley, you know those guys are Jordan Morgan is you know that's because the NFL seasons is a top round draft pick. Jo Jonas Savin add a great year because George Morgan wasn't around. Um, you know when he got after he got hurt. So UM, I think it's that they're they're
you know, they've got better players. But I think I don't know that you can put a value or you can't deny that what jet Fish does to get his team visibility um helps in all this. Right, He's out there constantly plugging the team. You know, nationally, he's got you know, he's got you know, coaches and stuff. I mean, he does a really good job of trying to generate visibility for the program, which I think
has a lot to do with that. And maybe because Arizona hassle bad people a saying yeah, we'll give him some love, because I think that's that's what they're doing. So no, I think it's a I mean, I certainly think that's a that's definitely a piece of it. Um. All right, So this happened a couple of days ago, but there's been a lot
of reaction to this. But ESPN announced that they were getting rid of laid off Jeff van Gundhi, then off Mark Jackson, two of the guys that with Mike Breen were on the NBA Finals team, broadcast team and throughout the season, and so they've broken that thing up. Mike Breen is still around, but they've hired Doris Burke and Doc Rivers to become the guys or to become the rest of the team. There's a lot of a lot of negative reaction to this because people like Bark Rivers, sure, they like Jeff Van
Gundy. You know, why are you getting rid of these guys? Just took place, you know, it was something wrong or what Mike Breen. Uh. Today I had some comments on a dot com story saying it's sad. We really thought we had something special and we were able to do it a lot longer than anybody ever. Did you don't expect it because it was such a great team, or to have it completely broken up was a surprise. Oh, it's very obviously the espans going to a fire sale. Yeah,
through all these people. Did you see all the list yesterday? Had the complete list dudes that I didn't even remember. Did even know that they had so many people trying to cost cut on so many levels? Pick and didn't we say this yesterday or the day before. It's very obviously they're trying to find trying to find a different buyer or just trying to get rid of them right somehow? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're they're trying to sell
all pieces of it. You know. Uh I think uh, I actually think Apple was the was a company that was involved in discussions, and I don't think they're gonna do it. But uh anyways, Um, we've been talking about all the realignment stuff because we've been movies. We've been focusing mostly you know Oregon, Washington now Callen Stanford possibly, you know, being looked at by the Big ten. And then you know you got the four corner
schools with Arizona, you know, going to Big twelve. Now Florida State is saying, yo, we want some you know, they've been saying they've been talking about this a little bit, but it's gotten serious now. And um the uh the the pre as the president of that athletic director um at uh at Florida State has said, you know we think uh it was it was the Florida president. He said, I believe that FSU will have to at some point consider very seriously leaving the SEC unless they're a radical change to
the revenue distribution. And what they're saying is that there's like a handful of schools in the ACC now their contract, their TV deal goes through twenty thirty six. They got nowhere to go, but Florida's State and and Clemson, a couple other school Virginia are saying, wait, we bring in most of the money. It's because of us, sure that we're genuinely most so we feel we should get more. But they're locked into this contract and as of
now, the acc administration is saying sorry that this is the contract. We all signed it. Everybody signed it. Too bad in Florida State saying well, you know what, we might have the money to get the hell out. The question is who who wants the who wants them? Who wants Nobody has come on and said we want Florida State. Well, they'd be appealing to a lot of people obviously, but but not by themselves though. But you got to go into right, Yeah, well most of the most part
we'll see would be the second one. That's why that's why there's so much some much talk about because you know the big twelve after Oklahoma, Texas will be at thirteen. They need another team. And then they're saying, well, if we go fourteen, maybe we'll go sixteen. It's not over, thankfully. We got a long way to go for go ahead. What was the last time you wrote run one hundred meters? Oh forever? Um?
I'm talking about do you did you see that there was an international one hundred meter race last night or a couple of days ago, and um, and one of the runners was was a dude? Was it was a person a female like you were me running against these fast women, because it was from a country, from a country that just I guess didn't have anybody to run any Oh yeah that No, you didn't watch it, Yeah, it was
heard. It was a similar thing in the hurdles about a month ago, where the same thing an international competition and I shot putter ran the hurdles so that the team wouldn't be disqualified from the competition. So now somebody did that with one hundred I didn't. I don't want to see. I think I ran. I ran one hundred meters against the guy because we just got into an argument at our Turkey Bowl one year. But it would have been like
nineteen eighty two. Yeah, from from Somalia. They apologize for putting someone in there. I guess it might have been a relative of the ambassador. And now they're apologizing because it was was it was bad, It was bad. Yeah, no I don't. Yeah, there was a similar situation. I'm gonna say about a month ago. He was at the University Games apparently. Yeah. Yeah, so all right, we got about three minutes. So here we go. Steve Um best state, according to go higher on,
they are on the ball. Yeah, who the gentlemen, you know you're talking about all these mergers. Everything an acquisition, and when you were talking earlier about you know the old Bear downs, GM and Arizona Stadium. These mergers aren't for my generation or the next generation behind me. These people are looking for the money that's going to come in two or three generations that will follow up. I think I know who this is. How old are you man? How old are you? You know? I say, I
say to my son. We are no longer the demographic. No we're not. Um, you know, I belong to ben gay Society and the band aid and the rap Cura chrome. Yeah, so this is what actually remember I remember said the not hope of them at the south end of the eighty footballs so so were down. So let's assume it. They don't care about us. No, you're true. The thing is you're the ones that would start with the money. Kind of we still have money, someoney in our
pocket. Yeah. But guess what the new generations about T people and Apple and all these tech companies. Um, they're doing their homework. They're not moving. They're dancing on this expecting anything immediate future. They're looking at d fifteen years down the road. Yeah, you're probably right, people that will be able to sponsor teams and do all this other stuff. Well, well, let me ask you. Even though the new we got about a minute and we gotta go, Rick, but what about the new the Apple and
the streaming stuff. That's the future. There's undeniable, right, we just don't want it, right, there's too many of us still around, right, No, it's just too new for us now. Yeah, and I'm not gonna watch it on Apple, right, I'm gonna watch Fox and CBS and NBC and AB or whoever U and ESPN. But you have to look at the reality is as they say, they don't care about us anymore. Yeah, you know your arm percent correct. If you need somebody to walk
you across the street, I'm here. I'm here for you. All right, Hey, Rick, we gotta go, man, we gotta gotta get to the break. We've gotta bring on Doug Holler. So thanks for calling you guys. All right, all right, let's take a take our break. A Doug Holler is going to come on from the athletic up in Phoenix. He was at the press conference today and I think there were some questions to Ray Anderson, the ASU Athletic director Oh about all this re alignment stuff,
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the phone. Would have Doug Holler from the Athletic Doug, how are you hi, Steve. I'm doing really well. How you got Johny? We're doing fine. You racked up some mileage yesterday, came down self, took a lot of five degree temperature decline, which is great. You're welcome. How was yesterday for you? At the immedia day? It was good. I mean, you know, I went down there. I mean my intention was to go down there. I planned to go down there just to you
know, see where Arizona is going into year three of Jetfish. But obviously there were a lot of other topics to pursue with all the PAC twelve on Ferndy, so it was good to be there for that as well. So and a lot of conversation I was gone around that it's not just Arizona possibly Utah and a su So tell us what you think or what you yield is the situation up at a scuse. Up to now, Ray Anderson has said, we want to stay in the PAC twelve. You're we're not going anywhere.
But they have to be changing their mind about that. No, I don't. I don't think that part has changed. They do want to stay in the PAC twelve. The question is can they stay in the PAC twelve given with the meteorite situation. You know, Michael Crowe, the president, has always felt that Arizona State was better aligned with the PAC twelve institutions,
being a West Coast school. It does not surprise me that they've kind of waited behind some of the other schools in the PAC twelve before they really have serious talks. Now with Colorado leaving and things appearing shaky, particularly with Arizona maybe bolting for the Big twelve, Yeah, it's time to take all options seriously. Of Arizona State. Historic least been a little bit slow. You can even go back to nineteen seventy six when they joined the PAC eight.
They were kind of trailing Arizona at that time as well. Um they came around. Now, whether they they'll come around this time and I follow Arizona if and Utah if they end up onto the PAC twelve. I don't know if anyone knows that for sure, but I can pretty I'm pretty sure they're taking it a lot more seriously than they ever have to this point. Yeah. I think in your in your heart of hearts like mine and Jay's, that eventually, at some point soon that that Arizona is going to jump.
I think it has no other choice. I don't see how I don't. I don't think you can see it any other way. Um. You know, even if they say, and we've heard this several times from uh George Klofkoff to school presidents to school athletic directors, is that we are committed to sticking together, and we have seen that that that does not happen. Uh first of as ucla USC then a week after Pact twelve media day, when
when they all seem united, Colorado left. Even if they all sit together and everything passes, and you know, sooner or later, you know, you have to wonder what Washington, Oregon is going to do. And if the Big ten ever decides, you know what, maybe it is time to add a couple more schools they're gonna leave. Everyone's going to look out their own best interests, and it would be smart for everybody to do the thing.
Now, you know. One of the things that I know, there's all this uproar and people are upset that the Pact twelve is going to cease to exist and stuff, But I kind of feel like maybe by the end of the decade, all of this is probably going to happen anyways, right, you know, there's going to be some level of consolidation, and you know people have talked about, you know, sixty teams in a super conference with four divisions or whatever. But a lot of this was probably going to
happen anyways. It's just that now it's become Pact twelve, that's sort of gonna be the one that goes away in some form. Yes, I think, you know, what with the four superconferences at one point, and you know, then with the SEC you know, expanding, the Big ten expanding, you could see it forming and you know the question was and I and you know, it made a lot of sense, and it might still was like it, you know, the Big twelve and the pat Holve for me
are coming together or the ACC and the PAT twelve. I mean eventually, yeah, I agree. I think that's where we're all headed. Um, you know, the Pat twelve had a chance a few years ago after the Oklahoma in Texas everyone knows, had a chance to uh do some things with a with a big twelve and at the time decide it wasn't in their best interest with that short side of them. When you look back on it,
it's sures things that way. Um. But yeah, I mean if it, if it collapses, I think, you know, and every I think every coach. Jed Fish said it yesterday, Kenny dilleyham days you coach said it as well. The schools are going to be fine. Um, They're not gonna go away. They're just gonna be playing somewhere else. And you know that could be sooner, it could be later, but it seems like we're definitely on that path. So so let me ask you a dumb question
because I just don't know. So, where are you from? Originally you've been in Phoenix for a while, but are you from the area. I'm from Indiana, Okay, So even perfect you've been in Arizona for how long? We look here in twenty see two thousand and three, so just about twenty years. Okay, so this will be perfect. Do you believe there is an East coast biassout question? Okay, yeah, there that is not
it. Yeah, there's definitely an East coast Do you think another No, My real question is do you think that the fact that if they do go to the Big twelve and all these things get solved, that that'll alleviate it somehow? I think it would probably help, Um, you know, I mean, they're there is a perception problem with the Pat twelve, and some
of it is exaggerated and some of its accurate. I think. I think you can go to any and I know you've been to every Pat twelve school, and you know, the passion for at some not all, but the passion at some of those places is just not the same if you've been to games in the SEC, if you've been to games in the Big Ten. It's a different vibe on college football Saturday. So yeah, so the passion's
not as strong. But you know one thing that I think, uh, someone mentioned and it's been I mean, it's it's kind of a no brainer. It's visibility. The PAT twelve needs a visibility. I mean it really does. And playing games so late at night doesn't help. And now possibly going to a streaming network, you know, the major carrier for most of their games. I mean, yeah, that might be where you know, television is headed, but it doesn't help visibility today or tomorrow or in the
next couple of years. Um. You know, kids these days, they want to play on the ESPN, they want to play on Fox, they want to play are the most eyeballs and that that's been a problem for the Back twelve for a while. Yeah. One of the interesting theories that I've heard about this, and I've I've subscribed to this for for a while is that, you know, people say, well, what's the difference, Why can't the PAC twelve you know, have that kind of you know, the
kind of fan interest, visibility passion you called it. And I said, because they're all the PAC twelve schools are in these with the exception of Washington State and in Oregon State and in Arizona, are all in big cities, and there's other stuff going on in all those big cities, you know.
There. You don't have an NFL team in Tuscaloosa, in Baton, Rouge, in you know, in in Auburn in in ann arboraeory're close by, but they're not in those cities, and that there's so much interest in other stuff in La in Phoenix, in Seattle, Portland, I mean, and
it's just different and there's a different level of interest. Yeah. I've had that conversation with Rick Knew how heisl a couple of times when he you know, he grew up in Arizona and he remembers, you know, Sky or sun Devil Stadium just rocking back in the day, and I had to ask, like, what are you talking about? And it was before like the Cardinals arrived, and you know, it was a different time than when ASU
football in this market was a major draw. I've seen Sun Devil Stadium h be a very lively atmosphere, um, but not like, not consistently and not in a while. Uh, you know. And I've talked to former players who said, like, what's the one thing do you think it is holding Arizona State backroom taking the next step? And you know, they were saying, it's it's the it's the game day atmosphere. And I think part of that in our market and in Tucson is it's freaking high during the early
months of the football season. I think that's part of it. And you know, I've had these conversations with all with basketball coaches, football coaches. You know. I asked an assistant ASU coach one time, like, why do you think it's such a promise as when James Harden was here, Why is it a problem filling up this arena? And he well, go outside, he said, look at all the things you can do. You could
you know, and it's it's Febuary. You could go, um, golfing, you can go hiking, you can go you know, different places, you know, And I think that's I think there's some truth to that as well. Um when I was a basketball conversation, I also think it applies to the football as well. It's funny, no wonder if Gallen is always
full, you can't do it else. I mean, Doug, you mentioned before you got here as you would fill up its game seventy thousand people and every game and go, you know, going to an Arizona a SU game up there, it was scary because there was seventy thousand people in the stadium and it was you want to talk about a home field advantage that went away free Cardinals, Cush Time and beyond. But they were good too. They were really good. Yeah they're they Yeah, they were also really good.
That's a great point, Steve. I mean, and that's that's I mean, if winning and it's we're going into the circle now, because if to win yeah, um and play get that high levels of staying, you need financial resources. And now you're looking a situation where it seems like what's been reported that the deal that the commissioner layout for the Presidence may be you know, close to ten million behind um without the escalators, behind what the Big
twelve and other schools are offering. So I mean that it's going to be really difficult to kind of get that level of success and be competitive when you're so far behind. Yeah, exactly. And so I don't know, I mean I've kind of I've kind of settled that, you know, the pactal is going to break up, um and you know they're all they're all scattering
the quay. We know what happens to Oregon State in Washington. I mean those guys you know in Oregon State at the time when they've all of a sudden got really good, really competitive, and they might not have a league.
Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a troubling thought, um, you know, and I think that's why the you know, there's been there were some some state um lawmakers up there trying to get something past they'll pass to where you know, Washington couldn't do anything without Washington State and Oregon couldn't do with anything without Oregon State, and it it didn't gain much momentum. Uh.
And that's why I think it's really interesting to see in this situation. You know, if if Arizona State decides that they're not ready yet to make the decision, you know, does Arizona go along without them? You know, and what does that mean for you know, I think the rivalry will continue. I think there might be like a one or two year gaps so they can get the schedules worked out. But you know that that game I just
wrote the story. I talked to Tegram, I talked to Richard Rodriguez about, you know, what it would mean to have that rivalry game with two schools and different conferences, and they said it'd still be great, but they said it wouldn't be the same. Yeah. So in my opinion, that's that's one of the state treasures that football game, and it would be a shame. It would be, you know, really unfortunate that game was diminished
it in any way. I don't in my heart of hearts, and I don't know about you guys, I think that it may not happen tomorrow or next week, that Arizona jumps, and then eventually, eventually, I don't know how long that eventually is issue will come along. It may not be the next day, but it will eventually show up. Don't you think. I don't. I don't see if Arizona jumps. I don't see how they do. Not I know if Arizona jumps, I don't see if Utah has
an invitation. I don't see how Utah doesn't jump. I mean, it just seems to me that anybody who would stick with in the past twelve and think that, okay, we'll just at the San Diego State, even though that would cost a tremendous amount of money, or you know, whoever, whatever schools you want to bring in, it just seems to me that you know, eventually it's going to think. So there might be some truth to that Arizona State has been really really slow and to coming around to this,
so that to me, sounds like a scenario that could happen. Um, But it definitely seems like we're a head of that direction, don't you and do you do you guys blame Crow? Is Crow the reason why why they've dragged their feet? Um? He asked the fan base. They would say absolutely, Michael Crowe understands the importance of athletics. He understands that that brings him money. He understands that, you know, the importance to alumni.
He's just never been one to let athletics make huge decision. He's not going to make a huge decision based on athletics. So yeah, I mean, in all my time dealing with people are talking to people who have worked with Michael Crowe, the one thing they say, and it comes up right at the beginning of the conversation, is he's extremely loyal. And we've seen this play out in a couple different ways with Larry Scott, with the Pact twelve
network, with Ray Anderson. You know, when he's loyal to his people, he's loyal. And I can see how this makes this the Apple deal. I could see all that might appeal to him because you know he's big on innovation, Uh, it's Apple, it's streaming. That's why things are headed. You know, I could see how that appeal to him, But the dollar figure is too low, and I think he's definitely smart enough to recognize that. Yeah, I mean, you know, I Michael Crows one
of the smartest people I've I think I've ever met it. But you're right. I think he's you know, it's smart to a point of saying, just let's work, let's work through this some more, let's get let's get more information, let's know more about what we're gonna do before we jump. And I could see that him him being that guy. Yeah, I've never I'll go along with what you just said. I've never sat down and had
a conversation with someone as smarter, as smart as as Michael Crowe. I mean he's but you know, he's always thought of Arizona State, wanting to be more like Stanford than Alabama, you know. I mean, that's that's been his model. So when people get upset with him, I just try to explain to him what his mindset is like. It doesn't work, but I try to explain it. Yeah, I hear you, I hear you.
So we only got a couple of minutes left. But your your thoughts on on what on what you saw it at Arizona yesterday listening to Jetfish talking to coaches and whatnot. You know, what, where where do you think they sit? Uh? You know, is your opinion of them the same now as it was before you had a doubt yesterday? Uh? About the same, A little bit more optimistic? I think, uh, you know, still concerned about defensively, you know what what they have there, how
that's going to look. But the fact that they've had some continuity, um with their coaching staff, with their coordinator, I think that's that's good. That's a positive. Um. Offensively, they look I mean, especially with the health of their offensive line, it looks like they could be able to be pretty strong there. Um. So yeah, I think this is a year. You know, I'm not saying that they're gonna you know, you
know, contend, try you know, contend for the conference title. But the next logical stuff I think everyone agrees is to get into that to seven eight win total. And you know, I think that's a reason motible for them. Um. But you know, as we as even I discussed yesterday in the practice facility, you know, all the transfers, all the improvements. Uh, that's not unique to Tucson Arizona and it's not unique to Tempe Arizona. That's also been going on at USC and the Utah and other schools.
So we'll see how that goes. But yeah, I think I think there's a reason to be optimistic. I'm happy Doug listened to me yesterday. Thank you, Doug. Hey. I always good talk with you, always good insights. Appreciate you, We appreciate you. Thank you, man. I appreciate you having me on. Thank you. Not that I admittedn sense, but we talked about that good stuff. Good stuff. Um, it's gonna in my heart of hearts. If I were betting man, oh yeah,
i'd say it's gonna happen. I couldn't tell you what day. Yeah, but it's gonna happen. Well yeah, I mean, you know, come on, how to give you odds too? I give you odds. The only thing, the only thing that I think, Mike, is that the financial impact we're talking about a long term impact to the school as to the schools as a whole in terms of who they are as as academic institutions.
It relies on this. Let's let's talk more about that, because you know more about that than I do, and maybe we'll get somebody who can talk to that. I'm very smart. Yeah, the word you couldn't say yes or that the academic people. Yeah, all right, we'll be right back. If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, you know it's been successful for nearly forty years. Now take a look back at the Ludolson era in
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today at a Team security dot Net. Breaking down all the exes and os. It's Steve Ramera and Jagen Summits. This is I on the book on Fox Sports fourteen different. Hey, welcome back to Twine About here Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, He's Jay. You've got about thirteen minutes from the end of the show. If you gotta want to get a quick call in, please do five two o four one sixty seventy four forty great show today, with Jeff Hammershment and Doug Holler a lot of fun and fun informative.
We also have an X clip that should be fun. Yeah, that should be fun. Uh yeah, Chuck Cecil, right, Chuck Cecil just uh, he's Chuck Cecil. Yeah, Chuck, you don't know what he's gonna talk about. Well, what's your question? Who asked the question? The question? First, well, you know what do you think? You know, it's kind of like are you are you bombed? Where it is
crazy? What's going on with re alignment? And then in the middle of it, can you hear the question asked, Okay, if you know, if Arizona leaves, if if the Arizone School split up, what do you think of the territorial couple? You know what they keep playing and Chuck me, it's not that his answer is different, It's just he has a way of expressing these things in a that are in a fun and interesting way. But here's uh, here's what Chuck had to say about um about the whole
realignment thing. Is it strange? Absolutely? Uh? But you know change is inevitable. Um, you know it was it was the it started out as the Pack eight before we joined, right, US and the scummies came the back then, right, Okay. So I mean it's just uh, the way of the world. You know, if God's got a plan, sometimes it's not the same as yours. But I'm going with that one. So whatever that is, I'm all good with it. If Arizona and Arizona
State split up, what would be Arizona Arizona State? Uh? What would your thoughts be on them potentially not playing a Territorial Cup team each year? Oh? Wow, I man hadn't even really you know, I guess clearly a possibility. Uh, but I would I would think that even if we were in different conferences, that that would be one of the uh, you
know, out of conference games. Uh. I don't know if you could ever, I mean you can clearly I'd be it'd be disappointing because it is, uh, you know, everybody talks about all you know, Michigan Michigan State and you know, all the type of games. But Florida Florida State team on North and US. That's it's a good one. It's a good rivalry. It's very funny because he's so methodical in his discussions and then he kind of gets a little intimidating, who what scummy scum. It's funny.
It's funny because he's this right dude, but he's very deliberate with us. Yeah, well, you know, Jeff Hamerson were talking like that guy was an academic All American. He's a smart dude. But you're right the people, Yeah, you're right, very you know, deliberate and thoughtful and you know, kind of thinking things through, as he says him, as opposed to you and I, who just spit stuff out. And you know, I hope for the best. It's very funny. It's it would nothing's gonna
stop the rivalry. It's gonna it's gonna out State play each other, Florida shorta State play each other. They're in a different conference, because you know that the teams can play. In the heart of my hearts, they're gonna
be part of the group. Pitt and Penn State have never been in the same league, you know, I mean those those the game can go on, and it would be kind of a neat thing to you know, you know, keep it going and and and would certainly help the schedule because you know every year you're gonna schedule Arizona in Arizona State and you could still be the last game of the season, right, So it has to change about that as far as I'm concerned. I try to find Rich Rich Rudd didn't
respond to my thing to go it would be good to time. I mean, it might mean a little bit less because it's not a conference game. It might, but but then I think what would happen is more of the focus would be on the rivalry itself and the meaning of the rivalry without any kind of conferencing. It's like, we just want to kick your ass because we want to kick your ass, we know, And I think that's at the end of the day, that's the bottom line, right, And that's
what makes a great rival right. Well, one of the things that makes it if they're competitive, right, and that's that's got to be and it has been, you know. I mean even in Arizona's worst years, he thought they could win the game. And typically the bunderdog was always kind of the team that I mean, even the seventy seven year Okay, I thought, okay, you know, Arizona can get its stuff together for one game and beat these guys. And it lasted like less than a minute, right,
less than a minute. They were down fourteen, gazam, let me turn off forget that theory of the TV and go to the mall or something. If we get that theory Christmas. No, I think the thing with that game was like, if you stayed at halftime, is he gonna come out of the locker room or is he gonna have a job by that time? I'm telling you, man, I felt the same way about Macavic, and I wanted him to not not be allowed back in the locker room. Let's take this call, Hi, run the r and I on the ball.
How are you guys? Since your favorite rattlesnake? Guys, how are you we hope the Rattlesnake doesn't cuss? How are you going? I won't buy you guys. Okay, what do you got? Uh? Yeah, I uh I know? Um? How much money is that? The joke of a conference for Arizona is gonna get twenty million dollars? Nah? Nah, the Pack twelve can go to hell. Arizona needs to go to the Big twelve. Yeah, but you you've thought that along too, right,
deep done you've thought that? Yeah? Yeah, the Pac twelve was I'll pick whatever the Titanic or um both both catatrophies when when Bernie Woll definitely the Hindenburg, that zempland Burn and the Titana definitely think to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. But anyway, yeah, Arizona needs that. Arizona needs to go to the Big twelve right away. And I think pretty steel we're gonna know. And so, like I said, President Robin has made it absolutely
clear that we are not types and the scummies. So I'll be happy once those morons are playing the Mouth and West and I'll be I'll be in I'll be happy um once or in Washington, I'm gonna get annalailated by the Ohio State buck guys, and I'll be even happier than since I'm not gonna be listening to U. C. L A moron, Bill Walton, Man, you went off on everybody. Hey, hey, Gabel, okay, but what a face you goes with the Arizona to the Big twelve. Will you
be unhappy or happy or okay with that? I'll be okay. We can kicked her ass every three hundred and sixty five days of the year. So well, I think I truly believe you're gonna get your wish. I really do and I think it's gonna be soon. Yeah, a FU is run by not very small people, so well we can debate that. But it's just, you know, as Doug Howard, you know, said, maybe they just are much more deliberate and just kind of look, as he said, a little slow on making decisions like this. Can I ask you a
quick question? Um? Do you you a grad? Um? I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the University of Arizona next semester. I'm a biology major, so I'm gonna be happy. I'm gonna be a wildcat like Jacobs Jakins all. We love to have you, Gabriel. You've been great for us, so maybe maybe one day you two can be touchab Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna he predict you in the next few days or probably next week. Yeah, I agree. Thanks safe, be safe. Don't hate so much.
Game. There's a lot of love in this world. Game. Don't don't hate so much. Okay, love hard, Thank you, Gabriel, Love gab Gabe. Nico. What's up man? What's up? Nico? Nico? I don't know. He's not we're not talking about that. He can't be on the desert it's too hot to be out of the desert, right, you may have to come back from the desert. I know,
I know it's slinging pizza somewhere or something. So all right, Um, so okay, so before we get out here, interesting interesting thing came up from Big Game Boomer and something that I've been harping on for a while. It's just a change from everything we've been talking about. Big Game. Bloomer put out the fifty best stadium and oh I saw that. In college football, I saw that. I didn't see the list, but Virginia Tech, which I've seen. There's videos of that, which is great. They play
inter Sandman when they come on the field, Colorado with Ralphie. Um, I haven't seen uh South Carolina's Uh Tennessee does a big deal. Um, I'm seeing Florida State with the guy on the on the on the horse and and the flaming spear into the ground. Um, the Sooner scooter, Don's got the Sooner schooner. You got Clemson? You know where they come down to ramp and they all touch the rock. What does six to twelfth man?
But then that's rocking? Yeah, but that's not an entrance. No, no, No, that's you know, Oregon's got the duck on the motorcycle, you know, all that stuff, so real cool. Arizona is nowhere in the you know, the top fifty. A su was in there at twenty six, and I'm not sure what you does. Remember, I've complained a long time and I continue to complain about the lack of a band entrance to the stadium. They've got this big tunnel now where they come in
through. They can do an entrance from there and just come on. If you've ever gone, I watched it, watched it. Wisconsin's the entrance and Ohio State's entrance. And we're not Wisconsin, We're not a high stake. That doesn't mean you can't have a great entrance. And instead Arizona's band just kind of scuttles onto the field, mosey on, walk on, lining up, and then go welcome that. I hate that, and every year I
hate it. And every year at the first game, I think, Okay, they're gonna do something this year, and every year they do the same thing. They just walk onto the pitch you off. And even more well, you remember seven years ago or whatever was when Grambling came into town, yea. The crowd state they stayed at half time for the band. Yeah, and I hate that even USC You know, they march out onto the field in single file to that the conquest you know thing. Yes, it
gives you tingles. And yet we can't get the Arizona band director or anybody at Arizona to listen and say, let's do something that gets the crowd fired up, and we can do it with the band. Yeah. See, I think something has to change. I've been here thirty five years, Jay, and it's the same, even your all your life, and it's the same. Even the cal band comes in from a tunnel at one end of the stadium, they fire off a cannon and then they all march quickly onto
the field. It's great. Why can't Arizona do something like that? It just bothers me. I don't know who you talked to over there. Who do you think we have to talk? Well, you have a guy here that you complained about the nachos you gotta fixed. Maybe yeah, maybe the same guy. Wow, Well I guess he can probably influence it, but but the band doesn't follow. This is what we gotta do. As the
school year starts, we gotta get the Jonah Zoo guys. Kids, we gotta get maybe the band guy or a woman I don't I don't know who whatever it is, and say, you know, what's up with this? And who do you need to talk to? If you're not the person to talk to? How start a tradition of craziness with the band? Got a band in and all those people in the band are crazy to begin with. They are, They're not they are, yeah, they are. One's got to fight with a band mom over the band. Yeah? Where you know?
Because the things I was saying about the band, I thinking, imagine was bad. You're like it was? It was really bad. It was, and I think it was during the Acavic year, so we went to every game in a bad mood. I got into it with a band bomb. I'll tell, I'll tell, I'll tell the whole story someday. Right now, all right, Hey, fun show. Thank you Doug Hollard for coming on. Thank you Jeff Hammerschmid. We'll see you around when you get when you get here, and I'm sure we'll be back with some more news
on realignment tomorrow. So thank everybody for being here. We'll see you tomorrow.