Tuesday, October 24. Hour 2

Stringy Live. I mean, iHeart radio. While this is Eye on the Wall with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. Hey, welcome back to an of the ball here Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, You're Jay and me Kevin with Breaking News. Have at it, Kevin, good luck. Oh we sure do do this like your job depended on. Hevin. I forgot to tell you I'm not being you got to play that thing up there, he says, Breaking News number two. They hit

that and hit Oh, you gotta turn up the volume two sports. We got to train you on that part. We'll get it. We'll get it, all right, no big deal. Mashing start to the breaking News segment today. But the former Arizona kicker Lucas Haversik is to sign with the Rams. Yeah, he killed the Rams killed me over the weekend. Be killing this guy. He killed me, I said, well, I saw that he released him. It's a good ask, BacT. Go go to the unemployment line. Yes, if you're so mean, you rubbing off on that's

not good, Brian, No, not good. I didn't you know, just a mean guy. You know you want this guy in the unemployment line because it costs you ten dollars better. Whatever. He makes tons of money, you'll find another job. Yeah, but good for him, you know another you ake guy out in the NFL, So very good. I mean, Nick Folk is still kicking. I think Lucas Haversik was born after Nick Folk left the event. Yeah, if you're consistent in one thing, yeah, do it, babe it. Yeah, all right. In terms of

other breaking news, you guys already discustoming Snell this week. Yeah, top thirty for Woman of the Year. Yeah, look looking to be the fifth uh Arizona Woman of the Year obviously. Yeah, but no other woman in the fact, twelve was nominated this year. Wow. Okay, well she well we talk about this all the time. Her and Geist are the faces or were the faces of the program, the whole overall athletic you know, Olympians and the whole thing. And if they walked in the mall, they

would know who the heck they were. They wouldn't know who they were. Yeah, and then they're probably maybe getting you know, getting water bottles as nil and stuff like that, and you know, not getting the big bucks and some of these other guys are getting. Yeah. But in terms of breaking news. That was that was all I had. Okay, yeah, all right, Well, you know there's a I mean, there's a whole lot of stuff that you know, is always going on. So I had

a couple here and I can't remember what the hell they were. So we Arizona Softball got two more commitments for the class of twenty twenty five. Oh that was big. That was That was big. Okay. So our friend Jake Fisher is pounding up on big Game Boomer because he posted the top fifty wide receiver duos in college football and he had Cowing and t Mac at twenty

two. Jacob's like Arizon his boys our top five basically, he sounds Yeah, that sounds let's unless we're missing missing out on what the other teams have. Yeah, yeah, they're at least in the top ten. Well, of course, you where's you see Taj Washington and Brandon Rice at eleven, the Washington guys at two, Romey Romey, o'dunzie and Jayalen Polk. Then he's got USC in there. There's you know, he's got Oregon States guys in there, Silas Bolden and Anthony Gould at nineteen. It's it's hard to

argue with Tim Makin and Jacob Colling. You know, but we'll say, look in the end, Arizona's four and three right now, so you know, they win some more games, they'll get more of this. So I think, yeah, so you I think you missed a big one, the big one being San Diego Padres manager Melo Melvioyn going to the Giants. Yeah, Bob Melvin, which would be strange to me. Why would you want to do that? I don't know. I mean, come on, get

the guys really good. But she was the one when that one the Giants, you know, three three world again and he's doing it against some type of imagine. Well there's one. Okay. So we got the Diamondbacks coming on this afternoon. Up to now, I've not been a huge fan of the Diamondbacks obviously now because they beat the Dodgers. I will say, for all of you Diamondbacks fans who care, don't you probably don't even care if I that I care, I'm moving for the Diamondbacks tonight. Are you good

luck with you? Guys? Good luck? I didn't. I haven't bet on them. I'm not gonna bet on the game. No, nothing like that. I'm gonna stay away. I'm just let it be. I don't want to have any influence on it. I am. I am thinking about taking one for the team and locking Oregon State this week. What do you

think, Oh? They can thinking if I lock Oregon State. The only thing that would go could go wrong is if Oregon State were to win but not cover and it's only a three and right now three and a half points, would they could get three? Yeah? Last second field goal? But I figure if I take Oregon State and they went by a touchdown, fine, I've hit my back. Or if they lose, you know, then Arizona, Arizona. It's good for a zone. Well, you've hit four

or five games? Switch or you're five and what what are you? Five? Total? No? Five? Six total? No more than I'm like eight? No? No, you know, no, not total points? Oh six points? I thought your main number of games? No, No, six six, six points. That's what at the end of the day, you're you're known for your results. Okay, so that record, that record is not keeping, You're right. So so where do you stand on

Oregon State because you've not liked them most of the year. Yeah, and the quarterback specifically, here's it. Here's the thing, and this is really not about whether whether I think Oregon State is good or not good. This is a game that historically Arizona doesn't do well because they had a big, a nice win, look very impressive, knock the crap out of Washington State at Washington State. They're coming home, You'll think they're all excited, and

then you know, they get beat up. You're exactly right. I've seen it a thousand times, wasn't it. I think the week after they beat Oregon in twenty fourteen, week after they beat Oregon up there, one of the biggest wins in Arizona football history. And then they come down here and lose to USC. Sure, right, you know, and not a really good USC team. And that's the kind of thing that you know, happens all the time. Happens all the time with Arizona. They don't sustain it.

Well. The funny thing about it this year specifically, there are no trap games. There are no trap games because every game, every game is a big game, right. You can't overlook this team to face use Cilly next week or Colorado the week after, because they're all all equal importance, right, And along those lines, Steve, you know, the Stanford game is the game that you know, is a game that normally turns into a

lot. Sure, they played poorly against a bad team that they shouldn't be losing to, and they and in this case they almost did, but they didn't. They won the game. They pulled it out. So that tells me, maybe is this team different. Maybe it is. Maybe they're so zeroed in on beating Oregon State that they that they might win the game. You know, Oregon State is a good team. I not. I don't think they're like a Pack twelve championship, no normal team. They're top five.

Yeah, but I mean they lost to Washington State, right, didn't they? Yeah, it was on the road, had Washington State because I thought Washington State was a better team at that at that time, at that time. But they committed a game at the end, they made it a game at the end. Oregon State's good. I mean, they have a good coach. I thought Fisher's analogy to their team and his program was pretty

good. You don't play that. Let's let's play that that clip because he was asked, look uh on that go down a little bit, look for number where it says always you comparison number, it's near the top right there. Hit the you gotta get a little training here, all the way up,

all the way up the way. I don't know, you know, we haven't gotten to year five or six yet, but I would say that if you look at just the way his team has developed, then the type of football they play, the brand the football they play, I think we are similarities in that regard. We believe in a lot of the same things,

a lot of the same principles. We believe in how you high school recruits a certain group of players and develop those players and try to help those players, uh move on as part of your program, uh into the next level. I think that he came from an offensive background. He was an offensive coordinator at UDUB, so we have similar beliefs in terms of coaching the

quarterbacks and and and there as well. But yeah, I just admire admire him from AFAR have become friendly with him through the years, so I've been able to get to know him better and better and better. And you could see the progress that Oregon stands made under his direction, and hopefully we'll be able to take those same leaves and be sitting at the eleventh in the country one day as well. So, Jay, you've had the opportunity to go

to Corvallis a time or two. Right, it's in the middle of nowhere. It's like, with all due respect, Morana. Yeah, it's a good one, like in between Morana and Constant Ground can like that. I went, sure, yeah, kind of just like there. And it's you have to go off the road to go there and have an AMW maybe a steakhouse and that's about it that I can remember that one of those diners where you get the turkey gravy, yeah, white, no, exactly, that's

Alice and Alice Diner. Right. So so if this guy can win, or anybody could win there, you must be a darn good coach, you know. It's like the baseball coach, Yes, how do you win there? Unless you're fantastic coach? This football coaches must be pretty good, because how in the world are you gonna get kids to go there one and to play out of their minds? Well, one thing is he's committed to the place, right, He played there, right, okay, and so he

believes in the place. He loves the place, so he can if he can get that, you know, to the players and have them believe that it's a good place to go because he loves it there. That that helps, you know, if if a coach, if a coach looks like he doesn't want to be there, how do you get other guys to come A kaa Kevin smlan, Right, So, uh, just beating the dead horse. I can't help myself. But how do you feel sorry for me?

But you know that's probably one of the things, Steve, I mean, how do you get you know, dj U galle to come from Clemson to Oregon State One. You got to get him to believe that he can help them get to his goals, which is to get to the NFL, but to that it's a good place to come to from a place like Clemson, which I can't imagine. It's further, it could be any more different. Well, and you're going to a place where Oregon is. That's your footstep

Oregon. You know the pretty girls over there, and you're over here, Washington's up the road, all these steppers down here. No, No, he's done a great job. A great job, because that doesn't happen. I mean, it's like when Tinkle did really well that one year and how did that happen? That one was a one off? Well, it did happen, But you're right. I mean, you know, Jonathan Smith has to again, you know, create something in the mind of a of a

player to convince him to come and more importantly, to stick around. He's got to be able to convince them we can beat Oregon, we can beat Washington, sure, you know, around here to recruit, you know, to Arizona. You guys say, we can beat a SU we can beat you c l A, we can beat usc And that's what you have to be able to do to get those LA guys to come here and and or we you know. So yeah, no, you get you give a guy. You got to give a guy a lot of credit, you know.

And that question was, you know, do you see your program at all when you see Oregon State in Jed's basis And I guess so you hadn't really thought about it, but he's been there a while. Yeah, but yeah, he's had more time there. So we'll see, you know, you know, give us five years and maybe we'll be you know, number eleven in the country in five in three more years. So let me ask you. We we've had the jet On a couple of times on the show.

Rate we see him a lot at the games or at the press commersons, Uh, did your did your eyes or your your thoughts change after last week's interview with him in terms of him being a better coach, different than what you thought? Going no, No, I think what I you know, what I felt last week was that, you know, we asked him a couple of questions that we've been dying to ask him, you know, his long term plan for being here, you know, and some of those things.

And I feel like we got a better sense of that. But I don't think I walked away from the interview thinking anything different about him. He's still you know, he's the coach. He still looks like a guy who you know, was a tennis player in college. But I think he's really

damn smart. That's for sure. What I heard him, Like I said, the last week at that press comings that Monday of last week and when there was a buy and he talked about, you know, being the U c l A and being at the Rams, I'm thinking, yeah, maybe we sold them short when he first got here. And he's been everywhere, right, He's been everywhere and there's there's something to that. And the dude, the smart dude, there's still savvy. You don't get to where you're

at by not knowing what you're doing. Well, you can tell that everywhere he's been he's studied. Yeah, the guys that he's been coaching, whether a head coach like Bill Belichick, Jim Moore at U c l A. You know, he was up at Michigan with Harbor, you can tell he studied and paid attention to what they do and how they do it. And he's he's absorbed all of that and that's what makes him really smart as a coach, and that's why he's a head coach now because he's been able to

convince people I know this stuff. Okay, so I didn't play college football, but I know this stuff. You know, just like the CEO knows how to run their business because they've kind of worked their way up through the business. You know, maybe a guy who's, you know, in an engineering firm, isn't an engineer, but he knows how to run the business. Yeah right, no, no, all right, let's take our break. We're gonna talk some women's basketball. Kaylen Gilbert, sophomore guarded Arizona.

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pretty fired up. You got your exhibition opener tomorrow and the season's right there for you. Just tell us some things that are going through your mind right now as you get started, you know, probably moving up on the food chain a little bit in the lineup. So tell us how things are going with you. You know, I've just been really hungry. I feel like, you know, we got a lot of girls on this teams that are really hungry and are expecting a lot of things this year. So I'm really

excited. How was it last year sitting out and then getting ready for this year? You know, it was very motivating. Like, you know, I had a lot of times where you know, I was kind of upset about playing time, but you know, I just felt like it it prepared me for you know, what's to come for this year. So so you guys have been practicing, you know, haven't had a chance to you know,

get any games and stuff like that. But you know, what do you see about this team this year that already that might be different from last year? You got a lot of new faces, obviously, but in terms of the way you're going to play, the roles that everybody's in. What what's that been like to figure out over the over the the preseason. I definitely this team we played a lot more defense, and also I think we play better together. I feel like last year we had a lot of people

that were kind of just trying to get there. But I feel like this year, you know, people want to share the ball, swing it and just help other other people get looked as well. So, yeah, so you're from Florida, correct, Yes? So so from Florida to Arizona, so pretty far distance. What brought you here? What made you decide to come to you there? So the first thing is definitely playing style, I felt like I fit in here as the point guard, So definitely playing style.

I love the web. The weather being from Florida is really hot, but Arizona's hot as well, so the weather made it perfect. And then just really just the fans and stuff like we're number one in the park, sols of fans, and I love playing in front of people. So that's those are my main third reasons, just real quick. And the bugs here are smaller than the ones in Florida. Right, what did you say? I said the bugs here are smaller than the ones they are in Florida with

all that humidity. Oh yeah, So okay, So you know you're people are gonna get to know you this year more playing time, and you're probably playing a key role over there. What do we what should we expect to see from Kaylen Gilbert? What kind of player? How would you describe yourself as a player. I feel like I do everything well and it really just depends on the game. So you know, if I needed to assist and facilitate, then that'll be my role that game. I need to defend and

lock down somebody, that'll be my role that game. If I need to come out and score, then that'll be my role, so just playing like

whatever my team needs. So one of the things that's been talked about a lot is the two you know, fifth year or I don't know, maybe even six year seniors as Mary Martinez and and Helene to play tell us a little bit about the what you know, what you're gaining from them, the role they're playing on the team, and how how important is that can be to to the rest of the team to have to We've been around quite a while now, Yeah, so you know, I love play and as Mary,

you know they as Mary start off with her like she last year she used to push me a lot and she was telling me like come okay, and then like she would, you know, put me in the right direction. So this year, you know, she's kind of doing that as well, Like it's like a certain play like she sees me like not like locating fast enough, she'd let me know. So just her being more of a

leader, I really appreciate her. And then Quail just spoils i Q and just overall like so for the game, like I just love the way she plays, she does everything well. So yeah, I love playing with them too. So Kaitlyn, so when you were being recruited Arizona. Was this team coming off a Final Four appearance and had done very well last year. They had a lot of high hopes and this year are less high hopes. Is it kind of puts a chip on your guy's shoulder as a team to

to look forward to this year? Definitely? I think I think a lot of players on this team, you know how that mindset of like, Okay, you know we didn't really due to well last year, and you know this is that chance to prove this year. I just feel like we have the right people and I think we'll play a lot better together as a team.

So you know, I really am looking forward to that. So there's some faces underneath the basket, Mynaji who you know if you played a lot last year, but you know there were you know, some other people under there. You know, what what's it gonna what's it gonna look like, particularly offensively? What what are we going to see from from the team? And is it gonna be a lot different or does the do you do what

a da does? I mean, from like the standpoint of like the players and like the way they play, I think it is gonna be a lot different this year. Well, the kind of keeps the same philosophy. So of course we'll be like pressing up on people playing a lot of defense, so it'll be pretty much the same thing defensively. Have you have you thought put any thought into you know, you're gonna be playing a position that you

know one of the all time great players at Arizona. I know it's been a few years, but if you probably probably saw Aery McDonald and what she did here, do you put yourself in kind of look at her and say, you know, there, maybe are there some similarities, some things I wanted to do that she did or is she too far removed from the from the from the program. No, I love area. I'll look up to

her game. She was one of the main reasons I came here, So just just seeing how she thrived in the system and just really just kind of paving to win for myself. And you know, I look at areas like like this. I mean, she's great, she's a great player, so you know, just trying to emulate that and just be the best version of myself. Really that's the main thing. Oh that's nice, nice, nice, So what do you what do you I'm sure you don't have any goals,

or do you have goals? Are you just a point guard who does everything for everybody else and doesn't worry about your numbers. No, I just want to win this ultimate goal. I feel like if you win, everything else will take care of it. So so the main goal is shoes to win the Taxol tournament. Well that's obviously, you know, that's that's what you're looking for. So as you get ready to go tomorrow, Uh, you know, what, what are we going to see tomorrow? A lot

of a lot of people just getting some playing time. Any ideas what our idea is going to handle the exhibition game? Try to get a look at everybody or are we going to see a lot tomorrow of what we might see going forward? What are your thoughts on that? I think we'll sit a little bit. You know, it's you know, it's still early. People are still kind of figuring out their role with the team. But I just think you'll see a lot of energy. I feel like we're tired playing against

one another. We finally want to go and you know, strap on somebody else's next. So I just think it's gonna be a lot of energy. You're a tough point guard already talking about stepping up people's necks. We like it here, like Florida. That's that Florida. Hey, you get to go to the Bahamas, right, so you get to go sort of the you know, in your old area. That should be fun. Yeah, I'm looking forward. Yeah, Okay, well thanks for joining us, kill

and we appreciated. Good luck. Ye appreciate it. Thanks about all right. So, so I think Arizona's going to be better than what people think of Jaya. But you know, once we get coach on and she's pretty honest with us. So she tells us about her family and stuff, uh

that she the last two three years haven't been easy. They've been tough, you know, and and the pieces kind of haven't fit right right right, you know, ever since that final four year again, that final four year created all this sure expectation that it's that's the way it's always gonna be right without Okay, we're there, and they weren't there, and and and and you found that that you know, these last couple of years, they had a lot of pieces, but they weren't kind of you know, they didn't

And what's the most what's the most important thing in a team, the chemistry, the chemists for each other, absolutely, you know, and she and she said it there, she said there were some some players on the team who wanted to get there. That's why I wanted to use and guess what the last two three years, I guess what we've heard exactly it looked like that. It ex absolutely looked like that. And that was that was you know, and you know it that just drives a d nuts because you could

she she kind of infers it in her discussions. I mean, look, any team is supposed to play together with chemistry or whatever you want to call it. Every and every coach wants every team to be that. So it's got to drive any coach nuts when it's not, especially when they think they've got really good players. Yeah, no question, I've covered a lot of teams and loots and otherwise that they just didn't see eyther eye or whatever.

And there's only one ball. There were some Sean Miller teams that looked like at the at the end, you know, well, the best team, there's only one ball better, who played defense better on marketing then Trier, You're right, I mean, yeah, he was there, he was, he was he was Exavier's best to end or that day. Right, Oh, yeah, exactly. I mean that's not a lie. We saw it with our own eyes. You don't know what referred to, right, You

probably don't know what we're talking about. I do know, though I didn't watch that game specifically, but yeah, I know I know the situation. Yeah, yeah, no, we saw it from the floor. That was terrible. Yeah, that was terrible. But you know, again, you know, every coach wants that, and so we'll we'll see how it how

it starts to come together for Arizona. A lot of new faces, so you know that they've got to use these two exhibition games, uh, you know, to to really you know, get things in order and before they before they get going in the regular season when they get picked eighth was it seventh grade? It was there was low seventh or eighth, and there was low. I think though, that her team's played better with that. Yeah,

when they're like, you know, I'll prove it to you. Yeah, and I mean they won't, but I think that's that's what will happen. I think a big key to that is is is Mary Martinez. Because she's she looks like and she plays like somebody who's like, you know, get on this bandwagon and and you're going to do your part. I think he learn to play was a little quiet, but not as uh. Yeah, I don't know, forceful, aggressive, whatever whatever you want to call it. Uh. She can be a leader, you know, from an

instruction standpoint and experienced standpoint. But I think I think as Mary is the one that is going to kind of get other players to play harder, play better, uh and and pull those things together. And they need somebody like that. I don't you know, I don't think they really had somebody like that over the last you know, over the last few years. I think Sam Thomas was a little bit of that. Sam Thomas is so nice and smiley, and you know again like like like we're talking about Kashaw Johnson.

You need somebody who's out there on the floor, sure saying I want you to kick somebody that they had. Who's the ben yan those people? Something wasn't working there. Sure she got shipped out, you know, and so yeah, you just don't know how those things are gonna go. So pright, should we take our last break? Yes, I'm still praying to my came on, but it's still kind of giving issues. There is a computer god, there is a good kid. All right, let's go take our

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WAP. This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports fourteen to fifty and welcome back to I'm the walking out Fox Sports fourteen to fifty. Oh, Steve Rivera, you're Jiggins. Also got Kevin in today. We got sixteen minutes. If you'd like to call, please do five two o four one six forty. Hey have you been? Have you been? Continued to follow this Michigan then, so there's more stuff came out today. Yeah, go ahead, and Tony well, okay, So

according to Sports Illustrated, actually it was a ESPN story. Sports illustratedscording the ESPN story saying that this guy, Okay Connor Stallions, who's a an analyst uh with with Michigan, he's the one who's apparently been the guy allegedly buying tickets uh to all these games. So apparently he purchased in his name tickets to the Ohio State Penn State game on either side of the stadium, facing

the benches, so so he could look right at the benches. So basically they're you know, they were gonna Now the tickets did not get used, but they were continuing to do this and a pair obviously did not show up for the games because you know, everybody's found out what's going on, but that this is the thing that they apparently have been doing, you know, going to these games and filming, uh, you know, the other benches, filming their signals to see if they can figure out what happens, you

know, on each play and what the signal is on each play. And then they're saying that at Michigan games, you see Stallions himself standing next to Harbor all the time, so presumably telling him these are the signals that they just gave. This is bad. This is the defense that we need to under the Yeah, this is bad. I guess the guy is a is

a I think he's a Naval Academy grad and he's a military guy. So now they're saying, he's presumably a guy who understands, you know, codes and signals, and yeah, apparently he's supposed to be like a like a

expert like pattern guy. Like see you know when third down they're running this offense or this defense in situational Well, that's what you do when you shout right, you find when you watch the film Tenancies, they just took it to another to another level, saying, Okay, this is the this signal

says they're running this particular defense or this particular play. Now the question becomes and that the you know, the the gazillion dollar question is going to be how much of this did Jim Harbaut either direct know about or you know, how how involved was he? And then if you know, if if everybody's busted, what do you do? What do you do? This year? For instance, where they're like it was pretty much a favor to win the National Championship? It right now? Right right? You know, it's it's

bad. I mean, I think this is bad. And I on the one hand, you don't sense that the NC DOUBLEA can work fast enough no to do anything about it. But if they don't, you know, what the hell? Right now, again, they're busted, so they're not going to do it probably anymore. But they were doing They had tickets all the way up last week, you know, to do that for thirty games at eleven different yeah, different conference opponents. Yeah, it's nuts. It's nuts.

Is your computer on it? It's almost it's almost not I can see a background. Yeah, all right, it's just it's coming to it's again, it's still got to dry out. You just shouldn't pour iced tea on it. I have to think, right, don't they tell you not to do that? Yeah? The first thing they do when you buy your Lenovo is okay, not not don't liquids on it, don't drink let's see if it works. Sports some stuff on it, clean enough, but not safe.

Anyway, the Michigan thing is getting worse by the day. You know, it's really getting worse by the day. So it would be to see what they what they do with this. So did you see also too, SOSL and emocon that I guess Lincoln Riley, Well, so I'm gonna go

with this transition to your Michigan thing. Lincoln really missed his radio show today, uh presumably or guess mentioning some NFL stuff, some NFL stuff something we talked about yesterday where he would you know, and then guess who's gonna probably follow him? Well, he don't have to deal with this stuff. He didn't want to know. I don't get your cheating. I'll go to the NFL. You know, there's been a lot of I mean remember it was

it like it like three years ago or something like that. He went and interviewed for the Minnesota job, remember that. Yeah, you know, in the off season and then they signed into you know, a big long term contract. I don't know it's it's yeah. I mean, Harbor is widely seen as a guy who says he wants to do things the way he wants to do them, and the an'body to give them any crab about it, he'll take his ball and go somewhere else. Sure, I think he's a

good coach. He's a good coach. That's the whole thing. I don't know he needed to do this. Yeah, yeah, but again, well he's he's I think it's his nature to say, you know, I play by my rules. I mean, the whole recruiting, during the you know, during the COVID thing, you know that he was doing and stuff like that that he he got busted. Did he beat he beat I stay last week last year? Right, Why he's beating push in a round? Okay, so coincidence. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was gonna bring up.

I was gonna say, like you, you brought up the fact that it might just be his nature, but it also could be it also could be the the fact that he hasn't been beating Bright. Let's take this call. Oh they hung up on us, Okay, hey, try calling back whoever whoever was just calling. Just now we kind of missed you, but try calling back. Sorry about that. Oh, let's try it again. Hi, you're on the air and eye on the ball. Hey guys, George here, Hey George, do any thing about computers? Yeah? Yeah,

did you get over here right now? I can't make it to the Oracle and Roger or what do you got? What's up? No? I can't be the only one that thinks this, though. When you're watching an NFL game or a college game, right, they all have these big laminated plays all over their thing, and they use their they use that big play thing to cover their face. You don't. You can't zoom in on that and figure out what their plays are. I mean, geez, they have

an entire thing laminated on HDTV. They can't be the only one who thought it. No, no, no, google it Google. It happened last week. I can't remember who it was, but you could see them. The thing about it, they're not calling those plays because it's on the other side of the of the lamination, right, They're they're not looking at that,

They're looking at the other side. But I agree with you, but you would have both sides, Like like, if you watch an entire game, you could probably both right, yeah, no question, but which player they're using or they're running from that thing. It's like when we talk to Stoops. I mean, George, if you're playing against me and you're much better than me, I'm gonna have to play my ass off to beat you. And if I'm much better than you, guess what you're gonna have to

do? Beat your asked to beat me. Like the good old days. Now we're trying to figure out well you know this and that. I don't know about that anymore. Yeah, but the whole sign is stealing bit and again it's been there. But of course you know, the freaking Houston Astros won a World Series because they were stealing signs. And I get stealing signs is okay, but stealing signs the way Michigan has been doing it is not okay. Uh, you know that's what's not I agree. I'm just saying

it's out there. You know, the guy on the second base, he can look at the catcher. You can, you know, you can. You can scratch your elbow or rub your ear and you tell your guy what's coming. I mean, yeah, I get it, but I mean it's it's out there, like we have too much technology to see it all right now, you know, sure, well, I understand what he's doing is over the top, but it's been out there forever. Well, yeah,

and signs stealing is part of the game, you know. You you know, if you're a third if you're a first or a third base coach, you're you know, when you're looking to see if you can see how many fingers the catcher put down. They don't do that anymore in Major League Baseball because they have the little the little uh you know, they just push a

button on a shin guard and tell the pitcher what to throw. But you know, as a you know, as a first base coach or third base coach, one of your jobs was trying to see how many fingers are down and and somehow get that information to your to your batter. Not very good at it, but you know, as a catcher, you were blocking so that people so that they couldn't see it. So no, that's been a part of the game that what's not been a part of the game is the

spying. You know what, what what Bill Belichick was doing with the Patriots, what Jim Harbaugh is and may have been doing, uh has allegedly been doing so that's what's different. Yeah, yeah, I mean I see both sides like you're trying to get an advantage any way you can. But I don't know that's necessary cheating when you're just getting an advantage from what's out there in public. Right, Well, here's another in public, I'm seeing it. Well, use it. Here's another thing, George, we talked about

this, I think last week. The guy was I can't remember which coach he had his plate card in front of him and he would lower it. Was the Dallas Cowboys coach. He would lower it and he could you can see him mouthing instructions or whatever. But Okay, that's instantaneous. You don't have enough time, you could say, if you Washington, and they're not gonna have enough time to do anything about that. Sure, Yeah, it's to me, it's it's knowing the signs and be watching their signs and saying,

okay, this is what they're doing. Sure, and being able to somehow relay that to your defense. And just just two years ago, three years ago, we were giving the Kelly grief because he brought in those you know, the guards, and the Washington had those this year. Yeah. Yeah, but you could also read tendencies like on third down, I'm going like and you know, on third down, my card's facing this way versus that way. And now you had a fifty to fifty chance of what those

calls might be. So now you now you got to look, you know, if a guy has a giant one versus some of them have ones that are almost like the size of your hand. Yeah, maybe you got a fifty to fifty chance of what might be called. Yeah. They used to joke that Lane Kiffin's looks like looked like an I Hop menu. Yeah, all right, guys, you guys have a good thanks for listening to George has been a loyal guy with us. Yeah, okay, now I mean yeah, I mean there's a million ways to do it, and and and

you know there's a line into what's cheating and what's not. And again, as we said, what's cheating is what is going to a game, just that you're not in to specifically watch the other team's signals, so then you can use that against them when you play them. That's cheating. So so then we'll give an update on Unrilly. For the second consecutive day, he's miss practice. He's missing practice due to an undisclothed illness according to school spoke.

But does he have COVID? Is he having a baby? What the hell is going on? Or he could just be away? Yeah, could be away. Interesting. Maybe he's tired of this crap one year which he's making ten million dollars a year. If he's having to live in LA for that, well, I no, doesn't he have a helicopter to get him places? I think that's part of the deal. I don't know, he's like Batman. I can't beat Utah, but I'm Batman. I'm sorry.

I don't know. You know I did? You know it's funny because it's funny you say that because I remember when Larry Smith went to USC and somebody, it would have been Magruda who would have done the story on him, because it was, you know, his first year at USC when when they played they played Arizona and it was that game was over there, and and I remember him talking about how Larry, how different it is for Larry Smith, how he when he first got there, he tried driving himself to work

every day and it was taking him two hours to get there from wherever he lived, which wasn't very far to the point where he finally decided to hire a driver so that he could work in the car and wouldn't lose that two hours of time. Total sense, and how he hated that total sense. I told you about the story. I think we went ten miles my ex wife and I and my wife at the time to see some friends ten miles away. It rained that day, took us three hours to get there.

I'm thinking, you know, you know, it's probably the start of the divorce that day. You were in the car for three hours. Yes, yes, but it was torture. It was torture because he already it was right there, you could see it. It was right there. Three hours later we finally get there. So I shouldn't be upset that it took me forty five minutes to get here today through the hail and stuff. Well, so, yeah, exactly the same type of d It looked like it snowed

on the east side. There was so much hail on the ground it looked like snow. I took a picture. I showed I showed having the picture. It looked like it snowed over that Grant and Great Cry and both and every direction on that road was was a parking lot. It was gridlock. It don't really takes me half an hour. It took me forty five minutes. I mean, I'm not complaining that, you know, because I understand l a takes you. It just takes you two hours. Remember what time

of year it is. Yeah, just the birds are here, Yeah they are the they were everywhere today. Yeah, they're getting here, they're getting here. But uh no, you know wow. But again, Steve, I keep saying, where's Lincoln Riley gonna go that that he's going to do a better job than he's been doing either in Oklahoma or you excuse me, you coach college. He's got one of the premier jobs you can't go for anywhere from here, right, And if you can't win at USC, then

what the hell are you doing? It'll be the it'll be the uh who's his assistant? Who's the the uh thingsbury? Maybe he'll fall you know what, he won't be hard accorded to that job. He won't be hard at us. But that's what Nick doing. If he goes north, gets a better job, falls forward again and get made a get made an interesting comment Urban Meyer. He was he was talked about for that job. Last time. Wouldn't that be a that's another perfect ego on an ego? Yeah,

send him back to the Big ten? How would that be? Oh urban? How hard urban you're going to If you go to USC, you're going to the Big ten and you're not going to be Ohio State right outside of Carrol, who did a great job there. But you know, under whatever circumstances, no other coach can get that job going against been a while and that's USC. Yeah, yeah, and that was by accident. Steve again,

don't forget Pete. Carroll was like their fourth choice, you know when when they hired him, he was kind of a he was kind of an NFL retread, hadn't done you know, done well, you know in the NFL, and all of a sudden he came over. But you know, he was able to turn that around. And now he's gonna be a Hall of Fame NFL coach. You know, he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame as an NFL coach. So what he he'd he did something to himself

to make him a much better coach. He learned something about himself or whatever you want to say. But yeah, I mean who's been Yeah, who's been a really well Okay, here's one. I don't know if you saw this stat Lincoln Riley seventeen and five right now in his time at USC. Guess what Clay Helton was after twenty two seventeen and five. Yeah, it's funny. He did that same thing with someone and uh and some fish and Jimbo Fish Fisher. Actually someone had a one or two games with one or

two games better than Jimbo Fisher. Sure. Yeah, so you know it's I mean, I don't know it. It's as you almost feel like how bad you got to beat it? Screw it up over there? I mean really yeah, because you're in a prime recruiting location, you're getting all the players, you've got a Heisman Trophy winner and you and you you know, and you can't you can't keep I mean, Arizona should have beat him. Now now that you think about Arizona should have won that game, Like like

you think about the Mississippi State game. Right at the time, you thought, okay, you know there's still Misissippi State. It's SEC, it's on the road, Okay, you know you played them tough, good enough, and you see USC and they're like, now you look at USC and you go, there's no should have somehow won that game. You know, made

a couple of mistakes that cost them the game. You know, if if if, if, if they make that fifty yard field goal you know, at the end of you know, towards the end of regulation, and they hold the USC, they win the game. If they if, well there's a whole bunch of if we can go wanting on about that, Well, that'll have to come another day. They will have to come another day. All Right, we got to hit the road. We'll be back tomorrow our

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