Tuesday, June 13, Hour 1

This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jakonsalis on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen powered by Nova Insurance Services Ensure your most Prized Possessions, katz R two, SAD and iHeart Radio Station. Good afternoon, everybody, Welcome to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's jagn Zos. I woke up this morning thinking, okay, j who we're gonna get for Wednesday show today? I realize it's only Tuesday. What's the

summer end? Can we just take the summer technically, technically, it's not summer yet. June twenty, in another seven days, you got another week of spring. It's starting to feel like summer out there, though there's still in a vacation. From my vacation. I was out headed to a breakfast at six o'clock this morning. It was already its already worked was it was, it's gonna be warm this weekend. Yeah. Bad. Now we've been we've been, we've been boiled. We've been lucky. It's it's it's not

been horrible. Um, you know, we were lucky down a rocky point a week after week before last week, we see we got some great weather. You know, the day that we golfed, it was a light breeze and it was in the low eighties and it was beautiful. So yeah, we've been fortunate. And look by this time we've had a bunch of one hundred degree jays and you know, we're it's okay. And you know what if you take if you go take a walk like at dusk, it's awesome.

It's yeah, it's been great. So yeah, okay, well here we are Tuesday. Got a pretty good show. We have a lot to talk about. How about them Nuggets? How about them nuggets? Even Look, the game looked horrible, but it was a good game towards competitively. Yeah, no, you know, I had it on most of the way. Ended up run I did run out, go out and run an errand right as it was, it was ended. But um, it was a good game. You you collected a little from your friends the draft Kings.

Yea, I threw out a little thing, uh right before the game and I hit that. So um, good day, a good man, good day, good day. So it was it was fun. It was good, good NBA and we kept us talking about stuff, right. Well, yeah, you know and and it was a good series. I think, um it was a good playoffs. I mean, I mean overall the playoffs overall, we're fun watch, you know, with with Miami storylines, the storyline there, you know, the Lakers storyline with with Lebron Lebron, you

know, the Warriors and all their drama. You know, they didn't get you know, the Suns. You know, everybody thought the Sons were gonna win the West and and then you know, and then they couldn't pull it off. So there was a lot to talk about it. We talked about it a lot, and it was you know, it was fun right right now. So now we continue on for baseball. We have a couple of months before we get to you a football, uh you a basketball. A lot of things going on. Congrats to uh, to Aaron Gordon and to

Zeke Nagi. Yeah, well you know, um, I was, I was, I got, I got curious. They are the ninth and tenth, ninth and tenth players out of Arizona to win champions I think the uh Javier Morales and Justin Spears said kind of did a list like that ten only ten. I thought it was more than I'm looking at I'm looking at an

easy central story that lists. I mean it's Gordon and Naji, uh, Andre Goodallas, Steve Kerr, Richard Jefferson, Channing Fry, Jason Terry, uh Sean Elliott, lukewal Right. Okay, so maybe he was talking about list or the number of titles. Yeah, yeah, this is the number of guys. I mean kur Her has seven. You know, well ker won through I think he's got four as a coach and three as a player.

Um Iguodala has four, Uh Walton has two, Jefferson and Channing Fry both got one, um Jason Terry has one, and then uh, you know, obviously Nagi and Gordon haven one. So there's a bunch of championships. But ten guys have won those championships. And again Kerr with seven. He's crazy. So right, well, I'm trying to fread what no Kerr has. No, Kerr has nine because he's got five as a player, he's part of three with the Bulls, two with San Antonio, and then

four as a coach. That's nine greens he has. That Is that right? Probably right? He's got a number of them. He's got a number of He's justined for the for the Hall of Fame. I think someone had mentioned that a couple of months ago because of what he's done, not so much on the court obviously as a player, although he did a lot with that and now was just as an administrator, president of the sons Um and everything else sets involved. Yeah. His Wikipedia says he's got nine. Yeah.

Just so, like we said, three with three as a player, three with the Bulls, two with the Spurs and then um then four as a coach with the Warriors, you know. And was he ever a star? No, but he was an important player well on all those teams. I'll go with Zeke Naji, who didn't play minutes, but he's a champion, right, yeah, so you know, but look that I mean that, you know what, And that's a really good number for Arizona. Will always be able to throw that out there too. Uh. Two fans,

two recruits, a lot of other people. So what we missed one Judd Bush, he's the ten. Okay j Bush? No, So give me some more. Okay, So here here we go again. Here we go again. Let's start through. Okay, the two the two today? Yes, okay, okay, So you got you got Naji and Nagy and Gordon's two. You've got Igodala. That's three curs for Jefferson and Channions six, Jason Terry Is seven, Elliott eight, Walton nine, Bushler ten. Okay, Brian Williams, Brian Williams Chicago. Did he win one? I was

there, I was everyone create the shot. Oh yeah, there he is right there. I missed william Yeah, I think that was left left. Yeah, yeah, when you when you said Buschler, Yeah, okay, I didn't get to this last paragraph. Yeah. So it's got Buchler and and and Brian Wood. That's eleven eleven players with right. That's that makes more sense because I knew I saw you Levin. I didn't remember, okay,

Okay, yeah, I didn't scroll down far. There was a big freaking ad in the story and I didn't get down to that last paragraph. Okay, So there you go. But that's that's an impressive number for a program like Arizona. Yeah, well, you know, one of those blue bloods. I'm not gonna start. I'm not gonna start because I've convinced you to Nate more. We've got we we've we've we've kind of come to a nice little happy medium there. Yes, I just leave that damn alone.

Let the sleeping dog lie Steve, come on, man, summer, we're gonna poke the bear somehow, well you are poking the bear. Don't poke the bear. Okay, So ahead, Yeah, we're talking about your guests are Yeah. So we got Jenny Dalton Hill as Jenny Daland when she played at Arizona, three time, three time national champion, All American, a National Player of the Year, Hall of Famer, uh and uh and now an announcer for ESPN Softball broadcast. So she'll come on talk a little bit

about, you know, the just the softball season in general. See what she thinks about what's going on in Arizona um and uh and some of that. So, you know, again one of the all time grades uh in Arizona softball during that nineteen nineties hey day when they were winning the champion. Yeah. And she asked when I talked to her yesterday, she says, okay, uh, sure, what's the topic, because they always want to

know they're gonna spring something on me. Yeah. So I said, okay, we're gonna talk about the state of college softball as it is nil, which, of course they was not there when she was there. Uh, and then and maybe talking a little about Arizona softball words come and come and come to now and just you know the world of college sports. Yeah,

um, she hasn't. She's on the ESPN. She has all these thoughts and she is one of the better players to ever play her right, so her name is on the fence, right, yea, I'm a fantastic player. Fantastic player. And then who did you say that? And then Kelly Pears she doesn't win? You know, she does win. She's over at the FC two song women have gotten started, and uh, she just keeps winning. Uh, as as you know what we talked. Did we talked to her after her No, we didn't. We never talked at the point

points four in the rule. I think she'll she'll Yeah, Kelly Beer frequent guess we you know, we have fun talking to her. She she keeps us in lying pretty much, and we are we're always glad to have her on the show. So so Kelly Peers. So it's a Jenny Dalton at three fifteen, Kelly Beers at four or fifteen. So there you go.

I'll fine, man, I'll fine. You know, it's funny. We were talking how how much stuff happened while we were on on that break that we took, and you know, it's kind of like you get to summer and you think, Okay, things are going to die down. They're not gonna die down, especially with all the stuff that's going on with UH with UH, with the TV deal and stuff like that. But we don't have to stay on our toes on three. Yeah, right, right right?

Did you hear any more fallout not fall out or thoughts on president? Yeah? It's funny because you know, I go to my That's Breakfast club that I work with Jesday morning, and again I got it from both sides, right. I got a guy who says, you know, God, I really hope we don't go to the Big twelve. Hope as on the space here, I like, man, I can't wait. I wish you would just go to the Big twelve right now. And it's really weird, isn't

don't you think though? Because I know where you sit and I don't really care. I'm like Nico, and Nico's like me, Um, it's a it's a win, it's a win. I don't know if it's a win win, it's a win, it's a win if they go to the Big twelve. Is it a win if they Yeah, because if they're not, if they don't wind up in a crap pack twelve, that does nobody cares about, right, And if they don't wind up in the Mountain West or the Whack, then we're good. Okay, So say just saying that,

that's all I need. Do they stay? If they stay in the Pac twelve or ten, is that a win? Yeah? Yeah, if everybody else stays, okay, so it's a win win. Yeah. They look, the ten teams they've got left is good. It's better if they get San Diego State. I don't know how much better it is if they get SMU, but I do believe it's it's a better league with San Diego States. There's more, you know, there'd be some such California. They've got a great stadium. We love going to San Diego. San Diego State has

kind of always been arrival. I mean, Steve, there was a time that Arizona played San Diego State in the seventies when Arizona was still in the Whack. It was the biggest game of the year. Sure an Arizona went out and beat them. And um they uh, they were like Big West or something like that. But it was a big deal because San die say, it was pretty good back at that time. It still are and it was. It was. It was like when Arizona played Texas Tech back in

those days. Again, that was a big deal for Arizona to go. It was a step up for Arizona play Texas Tech. It was a step up back then. Parson play San Diego State. Yeah, no, I don't disagree, and I think I think I do. I think there'd be a great addition if they went back eleven, if there were eleven teams, If they had eleven, I'd be perfectly fine with that. In fact, if if they do stay in San Diego States added, that's a game I want to go to. You know, I travel everywhere with the teams before.

I don't as much now, but I would make that trip every year for selfish, selfish reason. Maybe even go to the basketball game sometimes. Yeah. No, right, have you been? It's crazy. I haven't been. I haven't. Those those student athletes, those students in the building are crazy. Yeah, I think that. I think San Diego ST. Would be a great So if if you've got what they've got. Now you're at San Diego State, I think, yeah, I think it's a it's

a league that's worthy of discussion, you know. And then then just start playing the games, you know, go play some teams from the other conference to see how you do. Yeah, and and let let all that decide is it a good conference or not. The only thing that we're waiting on, right, there's the TV money, right, and and that's a super second. It's a great TV that's that's a sum it's a great TV deal. Okay, it's Tuesday, it was Wednesday, nothing changed. But what

the TV deal decides is whether or not the league's sure. Sure, of course, that's the important TV deal. Not so much how much they're getting, because they're not going to get anywhere close to compete with the Big ten and that SEC. That so to sit there and say, well, you need a gain ground on him, No, if you can be in the neighborhood of well, Big twelve and the ACC, and that's how much money

you're getting. You and you've got your eleven teams, and you've got a spot in the College Football Playoff, and you know, when you're still Arizona basketball, you're fine. Don't you think that if a good deal had been available months ago, last week, whatever, it would have already been done. Yeah. Now it's like, what are you're gonna find where the cross is going to come from? That's where a lot of the angst is coming.

Yeah, you guys would have signed on the dotted line a long time ago if you would have had something worth signing on the product around with that. Definitely steve that. I mean, that's that's like, you know, I mean, that's common sense right on the deal. So they haven't gotten what they're looking for. So that's why they haven't signed the deals. So the question isn't do they say they all seem confident they're still gonna get it.

I don't know what they see and what they know that we don't know, or if they're you know, if they're working out the details, you know, you know, Wilner and Kenzano basically both basically said they know what the numbers, they've seen some numbers, sure, okay, So if they're okay with the numbers, like like the o A has seen some numbers, Colorado has seen some numbers. If the numbers were crappy, they would already be gone. Right, they're not gonna wait around. They'd already be gone.

So the numbers are good enough for Colorado and Arizona to stay put right now, but they're obviously not good enough yet or maybe the details haven't been worked out yet for them to sign on the dotted line, right, and maybe there's maybe there's three or four holdout team hold out schools. They're saying, I'm not signing that, and everybody else is right, there's all those things that come into play for that. Yeah, So until then were held

hostage on whatever deal is going to happen. And it's as you know, and I know, it's not gonna be a great deal. It's just not TV wise, TV wise with everything. And we talked about this a little

briefly yesterday. With the Internet and all the streaming and okay, we're gonna be watching a lot of stuff from there from there, no, and and and probably because of the situation of the Arizona's end, it'll be more so in the Pac twelve than others initially, but eventually that's where everybody eventually, that's right, even in five years or it's already for time. Well, it's already toime, Okay, that's where that's where everybody's gonna go, and

and that's you know, it's gonna be like that. Ultimately, you just gotta figure out how you're going to do that. Good it all right, let's gonna take our break. Jenny Daltony Hill form Arizona All American Player of the Year and then announcer of the ESPN Softball Though. We'll talk to her a little bit about the state of softball and not only naturally back in Arizona,

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Jamesons. Now on the phone. We have Jenny Dalton Hill, ESPN softball analysts and former All American at D How are you, Jenny, I'm doing great. Guys. How are you tonight? We're doing fine. Thank you. I know you're a busy woman on the road. What do you make of Oklahoma's dominance? I remember a team back in the day when there was

a lot of red and blue dominance. Yeah, I'm gonna say this Oklahoma team looks up reminds me a lot of those teams back in that played their busson being able to win on the games in a row and go on those win streaks and be able to be national champions at the end of the year. So I'm guessing you saw them enough to know just why why were they so good? Why? What's the answer to that? Well, I mean

it brings true to what coach Candrea put together back in the nineties. That rockter that's extremely deep and able to get through whether it's injury or just an off day. Also great coaching that prepares the players for every situation that they may come to. And then just a very consistent mindset that steps in with office to view every single day, and they are one hundred percent prepared for everything that they come up against. They've practiced at a high level and at

a faster pace than the game. So when they step in against like a Nigerie Kennedy at Stanford throwing seventy five six miles an hour, it doesn't face them. Which is crazy to think that you can face something that fast and still execute it at a high level. But Oklahoma is one of those teams that's prepared for anything that comes out of them. I know you didn't treat the pitchers well as a player, you destroyed them. In fact, what's

going on with the pitching today. If you don't haven't, you're not good. Well. I think what happened is athletes across the country that they need to come into college and be senior life. And more than any, coaches that are developing their players sometimes get the short end of the six because that player develops and continues to improve. The hard hearted they choose to transfer rather than stay and ride the laurels of the coach that has gotten us there.

And so some coaches come up short because they develop these players into a superstar to leave the program and actually other players choose to stay. I think across the country, everybody was surprised to see Jorty Ball of Oklahoma transfer this week or put her name in the portal after winning a national championship at Oklahoma this

season, her second in a row. And so I think across the country, athletes are starting to realize that maybe it's not always about winning, but it's about mental health too, And Jordy Ball has put her name in the portal to transfer out of the most successful programs country. Right. No,

and that's that's one of the interesting issue that facing right now. You know, we had that we had to hear at Arizona where you know, two of the best players on the team, including the leadoff hitter, uh you know, went to UCLA of all places, and that it was like what the heck? And you think about that and how that's changing the game.

But but yet still a team like Oklahoma manages to hold it all together, and you know, with so many teams, because what we've always talked about is how Mike Andrea and Arizona changed softball, oh, you know, along with UCLA and made everybody get better. But then all and so everybody was better, and everybody's winning championships. They were all over the place, and

all of a sudden, Oklahoma just rises above everybody else. How do you suppose that happens, that that one school, all of a sudden, pulls it all together. Do you think about it? You look back to what coach Candrea was able to do Arizona back in the nineties. That he was a very consistent approach, and because we were so successful, we were getting great recruits. He was training us to challenging us day in and day out.

The hiccup that happened at Arizona was coach Candrea ended up taking the Olympics position as a head coach, and that took him away from the recruiting piece, which gave a ripple in that recruiting tide, and that little ripple was enough for other teams to start stepping up and challenging the Wildcats. I think it's going to come down at Oklahoma to a ripple. What the ripple that's

going to disrupt Oklahoma. With Oklahoma and Patty Gasso getting near the end of her coaching career, that will cause a ripple that change over, whether it's to her son JT. Gasso, who was an assistant coach right now, or to some other amazing coach that will take over that program. These teams across the country are looking for the ripple or the little wrinkle that will allow them to sneak in and get the next type. What a great observation,

great obstation. I don't even think about that. And everyone talks about the sec and the money they have, and given your travels to these places, I'm assuming you've been to Arizona since the new facility has been built. Do they still stand up to the other other ones out in the country. Well, and if you think back when the stadium was opened back in nineteen ninety three, it was a premier facility. No one else in the country has

facility as good as Arizona. And with the money that has been invested, not just in female sports, but in Olympic sports across the country, you're seeing an elevation of not just facilities, but also the play that is being existed around the country. So when you look at Arizona's facility now, is it a premier facility? You bet it is. It definitely has been camped up with those inside spaces the covering for the fans to get a little bit

of shade and the Tucson heat. And I'm so impressed with the way that the field looked up in the inaugural Pact Weel Tournament. So looking a little a little, a little closer to home. Since we talked about hlin Brand, you know, Arizona missed the tournament for the first time in forever. Um you know, struggles with pitching and some other things. But you know, when you see Arizona, where do you think, can you say where

the program is at? And you know, not so much what's missing, but what do they have to do to kind of regain sort of the foothold that they had out here. Well, there were just some missteps in conference, a struggle to tie winds together. I think the pitching staff had a really difficult time this year of just putting together quality hittings that led to quality games. The hitting was trying to out hit some pitching mistakes. That's that's

not trying to take anything from the athletes that were playing the game. We've got high faulty athletes that were maybe starting to lose some confidence as the game got harder and the season went off. So there's been some changes on the staff. You're bringing in a pitching coach from LMU, You're bringing it a hitting coach from out here this side of Mississippi. A fast Bloomer is a great hitting coach. He has a great mind for the game. He prepares

his teams well. I've known him for tenter fifteen years. He was a high school coach. I live in Kentucky. He was a high school coach here in Kentucky, and he was He's been a travel ball coach forever. He coached at South Carolina, most recently also at Duke and he's prepared his players very well offensively. And I'm excited to see the way that he stepped into Tucson and is able to kind of take over the rank that have maybe been a little bit loosely kept his lem So let me ask you, I

think I could correct me if I'm wrong. You were part of the big streak, big streak that you had that held on until this year. Yes, I was the last one, the last one that we were able to hold on to it. And then how how was seeing that good? Saying goodbye at one and two? Don't you I'm a firm believer that this team, your team would have been able to hold up against this Oklahoma team.

I'm that the team of nineteen four would have given Oklahoma run for its money, and I think that we would have actually pulled out a championship against them. That team in nineteen ninety four hit so many home runs, was confident in the circle, great solid defense. I mean there were there were no hold in our game in nineteen ninety four. Maybe the better team was ninety five, but we lost UCLA the championship games where that championship actually been descended

because it's all violations by UCLA. But more than anything, if you put Oklahoma two thousand and twenty three against Arizona nineteen ninety four, toe to toe, I pick Arizona every time. Well when you I just I just called up the roster. I'm looking at that, I'm like, holy cow. I mean, just you know Susie Parr, Nancy Evans, Laura Spinosa, Leo b I mean, the legends obviously you uh you know, Amy Shelliville.

Just the legends of Arizona softball from that that period of time, and the whole bunch of you bunch of seniors and wow, you look at that lineup. You go, how do you not you know, how do you not say, well, who you could beat anybody? She talks about this with you. She only had Tanya Harding, who she faced her in the in the championship game. And you're right, I mean she was ineligible or from Australia and they would have had another one. How many did you win?

Three? Right? We won three? But if you if you actually get Arizona the ninety five champions and we worked five in a row. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't who to blame all this? Mike Kendrea. No, I will never blame that guy. He is the godfather of softball. He is my favorite coach ever in the history of the sport. I would I would do anything for that man. No, but I'm saying he created this. Yeah, teams are are like Arizona like back in the

day. Yeah, very much. Funch to see him still involved into so on, helping the athletics apartment and kind of being eyes in this guy to help these coaches. Navigator really curgulent collegiate atmosphere. Well, what was the first thing you said to him the first time you talked to him after he announced his retirement. What did you say, like, what are you doing?

Or it's about time, or what were your thoughts on that? The crazy things about coaches retirement with I was actually calling the super Regional that Arizona

was playing it. I caught wind that this was probably going to be it for coach Camprea, and more than anything, it was an emotional moment for me to think, how do I call coaches last super Regional and give it the credit that is due to honor a man that means so much to me and sent him off to the with the College World Series in the right way.

And at the end of the game, he looked up at the booth and I caught his eye and I kind of like verbalize down to the field, I want to come down there, and he gave me the big hit. I got to go on the field with the team after the game and just gave him a big hug and let him know how proud of him I

will. Yeah, so you're looking at almost thirty years ago. Sorry to say that to Jenny, but but the NIL has changed the game so much and hear me, hear me out for this because we've had a few of the big time athletes here recently, guist who want a couple of NCUBLE titles, who he had, Delaney Citizennel who's won a who's won a Golden medal and ncuble titles, And they're not seeing the NIL money like the guys in the football team and the basketball team of course, but we're thinking the women

softball players back in the day, you guys would have crushed at one in NIL. But even the minor sports people are not getting the money. Well, and I think it's that's a better vocabulary on what's really going on across the country. NIL gives players opportunities to take money doing camps, clinics, signing autographs, doing appearances. That's NIL. That's getting paid for your names, your image, and your likeness. What we're seeking across the count is

paid to play right and take a play is illegal. Back to me, one of the biggest state of this whole thing is it's being labeled NIL. But that's truly not what NIL is. So if we look at what NIL is, athletes have the opportunity to take advantage of their team image and likeness commercials or running clinics and camp, selling apparel with their name and invitement.

But it's getting confused by the general public by pay to play, which is, hey, we'll give you fix thousand dollars to come here, or we'll give you one hundred thousand dollars, or we've even seen players get a million dollars to come and play. And that is very different from the nail conversation. And that's and that's a great clarification because it has gotten mixed. Something can Steve and I talk about it like that, But you know, to

to I think out there, you're correct. You know, nil to everybody means just players getting money for whatever reason, being hu all right, for whatever reason. Uh, And that's not what the intent was. And now you've got you know, you got college folks. And we just talked to doctor Robbins yesterday wanting the federal government to step in and take care of this, and I'm like, what, why, why do we want to do that? But it kind of made sense when he sort of explained it.

But you know, what do you see as the future for that and the transfer portal? How that's changed the game? Oh, what you're seeing is where junior college players used to go to junior college, whether it was the clear ups at some academic issues or just get them into a higher level. Junior college players would go to junior college for a year or two and then

transfer into the Division one ranks. Now what you're seeing is players going to the mid major label mid major level and then doing the exact same thing, but it leads those four year rules high and dry. After developing these players for two as they leave those programs leave holes that are hard to fill, and then they move on into a top ten programs. That to me is a travesty. I think that that is going to kill our sport. It's

going to create superpowers that were never meant to be. If you truly were meant to play at the top ten, I wish that those schools would pick you up then. But what we're seeing is top ten programs are going in and are picking some of those e LaDue level athletes that have developed at the mid major level and bringing them to their programs to push their agenda. But the problem is what that does is is devastating the programs that they leave.

All right, No, we talked about this last week. The rest of the small schools are the Oregon donors of the bigger school exactly. Yeah, and you thought hurt Arizona stuftball this last year as two players departed at the UCA and how as two fun player how Arizona Wildcat leaves and wears brue and blue and gold. I have no idea because that one hurts my heart. Right, Jenny, thank you very much. Great stuff, great stuff, Thank you, thank you guys. All right, Well, Jenny Dalton Hill

with some great information. I love. I loved she's on the spot with the NIL stuff. Yeah, where it's it's it's totally doing what it's not supposed to be doing. Right, we've lost track, as we said, of what it's supposed to be. NIL has become just players get money, whereas as she said, the intent was for players to go out and figure out a way make some money with their name, image and likeness. For

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a Team security dot Net. Streaming live on the iHeart Radio WAP. This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gazlens on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. They welcome back to talking about your Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve Rover, he's checking Ollas so good to touch to Jenny, great insight on a few things, you know, I would I went back and look at the record of that of that team, made a big deal and as right and solved the sever that got to be Oklahoma won sixty one and one.

Well, that uh ninety four Arizona stotball team won sixty four and three. Who did twost They lost to Resno State. Who's who's good at the time. I remember that UNLVKA and Washington and they won the they won the

they won twenty three and one in the conference. That's with you know, some good, really good teams that you know, even back then UCLA was you know, four, sixteen and six, but they won twenty one, twenty three and one in the league in the league, sixty four and three, swept through the College Rolls Series without claffs, without losing the game. But again, look at the names. Susie Para, here's the whole roster.

Susie park Carry Dolan, Leah O'Brien, Nancy Evans, Susie Duarte A, Michelle vol Jennie Dalton, Laura Spinoza, Valerie Sepea, Christo Gomez,

Andrea Dode, Brandy Shiver, Michelle Martinez, and Leah Brons. I mean, how many of those names do you just know of the tip of your time, most of them from talking about Arizona emotional and the legend that they they built that was and that was already the machine had already started right well, the year before that, the year before ninety three, um, they won a nationally they won the national championship for a middling forty four and eight,

and then they go sixty four and three. Then the year that she was talking about where they lost in the championship cheating bruins, they won sixty six and six. Yeah, so yeah, you know, Anthony and Anthony and I always talked about that because we were both there when he won his first one in ninety one, I think it was ninety one. With that, you know, it was kind of like a group of girls women who

were just kind of they're playing really well together. Back then, it was a small ball, small ball moving across, get on somebody over the game of change or was that's what the game was. But you know, the next year, the last year Jenny Dalton, Senior year they won fifty eight nine one, another national championship, and um did not win the league. So you know, great, Uh initially Washington won league. Okay, so crazy, I don't remember that, but okay, unbelievable. Unbelievable, no,

fantastic. And the game has changed so much since then. Well it's kind of reverted back to them because they used to crush it. Jenny crushed it. Loris Panosa crushed it. All these home run hitters, Yeah, knock in the day. But that's the problem. That's that they're having the gap between in the pitching and his white You know, either you have it or you don't. There's kind of like nothing in between. Sure, you have the staff that can get you through. Either you've got the great picture

or you don't have the great pitch. No, it'll be interesting to see a friends with Oklahoma, Right, they lose their best picture and they thought who was gonna be around next year and help them win another national championship. Let's don't cry for Virginia, don't cry for Argentina. Oklahoma we find But so that's Arizona's had some players, right, They have some pretty good players.

They just didn't have that pitching. So we'll see. You know, they've got two freshman pitchers coming in, so we'll see if if they're actually that good and can pitch at the college level right away. Kind of hard to do, um, you know, and you know, it was like we were talking with Dandy Lopez last week. There's there's players in college you're twenty four years old. You know, you're an eighteen year old freshman.

You're playing against somebody six maybe seven years older than you. Wasn't um, I think we saw there's a college basketball player it's gonna be twenty seven years old. Yeah, and it's not named Jordan Brown, and it's not Jordan Brown or who's the other one, Baker? Yeah, uh no, that's

not it. That's what makes college basketball freshman as good as they are, how special they are, because they're coming on as eighteen year old Boswell seventeen Boswell who has this performance and is unshakable and has this very consistent year against the grown men that he's playing against or the older guys that he's playing against. Once again, you know, seventeen years old, what were you doing at seventeen? I was still going to like roller skating. You're getting in

trouble with your dad. Actually I was getting I was getting in trouble and my dad not knowing it. Right. But your brother's probably a different day. Probably brothers, that's for a different day. Okay, anybody want to call. We have about nine minutes, ten minutes five two o four one six seventy four forty we'd like your call. If you haven't called before, just give us a quick call. Uh, let us know how we're doing. Uh, you're Denver Nuggets, right, did you see the yo kits?

And they asked him, you know, are you gonna are you excited for the parade? And oh you missed that? No, I just got the end. We say it's over this goal. Yeah. No, Well, you know, you know in the press conference he was asking you are you are you excited about, you know, the parade? He said, well when is the parade and they said Thursday, and he said nope. He wants to wait a minute. Why are you not excited about about the parade? He said, because I want to go home. He wants to

go home. Yeah, I go home. I want to be with my family, that's my horses. And I think he's actually not gonna go to the purse. That's very funny because when you heard him at the end of the game, right, yeah, well, how do you feel? It's good fun We're done. Let's get out of here, let's get out of you. The job is done. It's funny, though, Jay, it's how it's how it is. You know how it is back in eighty eight

or whatever. And I use that because you've been to it. But when Arizona and it's every day, it's every day for six months, and you get to this, it's every day. You're writing every day, you're doing these things every day, you're trying to find stories. And after six months and after the ninety seven year, they win it. And then you kind of hit a wall and you're thinking, what now, because you've been doing it every day, and then it's then it's over. You said, God,

can I just breathe now? Be left alone for a while and all that, and that's what they're going through. It's it's a long process. And we're not We weren't even players, right, right, we were players having to go to practice there. Well, we did go to practice every day, but we didn't have to. We weren't running, right, We weren't running and we didn't have to practice, but you know we were at practice. But you know, I mean, I I dam't told this very

million times. Flying on the plane on my way home from Kansas City after the eight eight Final four. I mean, I'm on the way home and already you that the Diamondbacks are I mean, the Cardinals were coming to town. Um, you know that the football job is gonna be up, and Dak McGruder was gonna go up to Phoenix. He was going to cover the car right, you knew. On the plane on the way home, I said, I'm getting out of basketball. Yeah. I hadn't even landed and

I said, I'm getting out of basketball. I can't totally get it, totally get it. It's a constant, it's a constant um. I remember, just experience it real quick. I went to the Olympics to cover the Olympics for the USA Today and stuff. And it was a month long of intense work every day and I'm going through halfway of it in Australia, and then increase, I'm thinking, I don't do this anymore. I don't not the sportsman. I just don't want to do this anymore. Two weeks in

and it's Climber's remorse. You kind of know what Climber's remorse is. You're going halfway through and I'm never gonna do this, and then you get to the top and you think, God, I can't wait to do it again. But you have to breathe first. You have to breathe and relax first. And I hope that you get time to do it, because it's crazy. I finding that. I was listening on the Dan Patrick Show this morning.

They did a they did a poll asking about Nick about Yokitchen his reaction to winning the championship and just kind of like they saying, you know, do you think that's great or you think it's sad? And of course it was like to me, you know what it was like to me in a different sense. It was the youngest quote about we lost, it's not the end of the world, We'll move on or what. Remember that great speech? Yeah, it was. It was from the heart. And guess what

two international players saying this, not American saying right. So it's a different perspective, right, And they grew up differently with their sport, you know, they they didn't grow up probably they probably didn't grow up with fans like we have here, you know, wanting to set their houses on fire when they lose a game. True, we saw it up in Denver, right, but ten people shotting the riots in downtown. I didn't see that.

But I did see a video of Aaron Gordon going out into the street with no shirt on and he's jumping around with like, dude, you're gonna get hurt. And then I didn't realize. This is kind of how I didn't realize this. But uh, yokitch was a second round pick, late into the second round. Well, yeah, they make about forty He got draft, he got drafted. When his pick was made, the NBA draft was at a Wendy's commercial, his name just came across that he had been drafted.

I didn't see that. Yeah, that's again one of the storylines that here's the guy who's a couple of you know, uh MVPs, he's won a championship. Now that when he got picked, he was so it was such a nondescript pick that the program was at a commercial, at a Wendy's commercial when his pick was made. So funny. It's like it reminds me of a few years ago, somebody from from from my home state caused me says, how come, how come Arizona didn't recruit Curry? This is like

fifteen years ago or whatever it is. Well, the same reason why you mixtually didn't recruit him. He wasn't that good at the time, although he was very good. He went to Davidson. These guys turned themselves into superstars, and he had that run in the NCAA tournament. Think Elite eight right at Davidson, and all of a sudden people saw Steph Curry. It's like, oh, where did this guy come from? Well, he's been there the whole time. You just didn't know this same group, right, same

group. They're all back, right, they're all back, and they're top ten team. I saw them as high as sixths. And that's the same reason why Denver snuck up on everybody. No one saw them or paid attention to them because they're not in the market you want to pay attention to. So after all of the as we talked about yesterday, after all of the nobody was picking the Denver to win the thing right up until the finals.

Then they thought, okay, now that they're gonna beat the Heat. But they were the underdog in every series up to that point, well not the first one, but you know, once they got to you know, the sons of the Lakers and so on, now the favorite to win the league, and I bet against them. But there's also gonna be a lot of good teams out there as well. Yeah, and people are gonna change their

stuff around. But but but if you want to get them now, I would get them now because we're five to one, five to one whatever, because you ain't gonna get a better price than that. He guess it. Okay, guess who's the next team in the West? Is that? Because you got the Nuggets, then you got the Celtics, could be Lakers, could be Lakers. No, you're gonna Phoenix. Oh no, there's no way, just no way, your Phoenix fifty. Oh no, we're the

Golden sit a whole year with Kevin Durant. That is happening. But ye are there too many that roster has to be unknown? Right yeah, with with Chris Paul, I would not put a dime on them fifty who's next? And then the Warriors at ten twelve? Right right there? Put your money there, Lakers also because I think that the Warriors, if if that the worst they figure out their internal problems, problem problems, or that that

could they could return again because they're pretty good. They said, they admitted the whole prap. Almost. Yeah, if what's the name could have right, he made a preseason or whatever exactly, they would have been okay. But you know how that is. It's like a bad marriage or a bad family. You got to fix those things first. You think, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't I don't know why. He's got a lot of money, But they can find a player

like him somewhere up. They're still pretty good. They're still pretty good. They're fun to watch for sure. That watch, you know, and you feel like you feel like Clay Thompson with another year and this time you know this time of Yeah, they're still kind of the same two. He's just gonna find a couple of players, a couple of big pieces. So you've got Nuggets, Celtics, Bucks, Sons, Bucks are good too, Warriors and Lakers. That's saying seventy six ers at thirteen what the Bucks? Huh?

Bucks are at six fifty's and that's a good two. New coach they got beat in the first round, not to play for. Um, you got the Clippers at seventeen hundred, Maverick at sixteen, Clippers at seventeen heat at two thousand, they were they I think they were two fifty before the season, two fifty the Heat were Yeah to begin the year, two fifty unbelievable. And then um, Grizzlies, Calves, Alicans. Yeah, Grizzlies

are done because Marandi who knows who? Yeah, So we'll see. Okay, good first hour, good, good stuff on Jenny appreciate Jenny Dalton. Jenny Daltons. Yeah, correct, you got three kids? Yeah, well my SMI ex used to baby sit the oldest a long time ago. All right, you got twenty six years ago. Think you got a big family. Looking on her Twitter page, he looks like a couple of them were

married. So oh well, because there's some there's there's more than three kids in the picture, and there's some people that are looking at there might be some marriages in there. So all right, let's go take our break. We'll be back. We've got Kelly Pearce coming here to talk about FC two song women at at four fifteen and breaking news at the top of the hour. We'll grab back