This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jagan zala Son Fox Sports fourteen fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services. He's sure your most prized possession. It's kt z R two SA at iHeart Radio station. Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's Jagan Zaliz. We got our guy Ryan with us today. I got your name, right, Ryan, that's cool. Well, I forgot Henry's name yesterday. One time out of five he forgot
it. As long as I don't forget mine, I'm good. I don't care about you too, gonna weary. I'm Ryan. I'm Ryan. Hey, good afternoon. It's Tuesday. We have another day together and then we're go take Thursday and Friday off right, some business to ten two. Good show today, different show. Yeah, you know, we talked about this yesterday. We're gonna bring on Dan Guerrero, former U c l A F Letter director. Now he's uh, he's part of a company that does coaching
searches. I guess I'm not sure what side you know, do they do? The coaches hire them and then they try and go get them jobs like a headhunter, or are they hired by the schools to vet the coaches. That's a good question, I would I would not sure which it is, right, Yeah, that's good questions. That's a cool shirt you got. I just know he's a brand new I got it a year ago Father's Day. I usually wear just a golf in, I'll just say, and you
probably get it to fit in there. That's that's just that's just crap, because it's fits you now, will fit you fit me before. It's always but loose. Now it's cool shirt. If you grow out of it, I want it. What color is it? Pink? It's pink, pink. It's a very like very pink pink. It's like a hot pitch. It's not a U shirt. It's a hot pink. It's not a U shirt. Dude, I can wear anything. Nobody would wear that shirt. I don't, you know, I don't question my masculinity. I'll wear pink.
No, no, no, you don't wear those I wear those colors. What I usually wear, these two golf in But I had a business meeting today and I needed to wear I wasn't gonna wear a button down and I wasn't gonna wear a T shirt, so I put on a shirt a little dressier than what I would normally wear to this place. I've given you a Steve compliment. I appreciate it. I do. It's kind of like
weird, but it's a good guy. I've gotten like I've got like three or four new golf shirts over the last several months, and I usually wear just a golf in, you know, because I like it. You know, I look good. I play good when I golf. You play the same no matter what the hell you wear. No, I think I would play worse if I didn't look good. So you you just said yesterday you've been golfing, and what do you say? I shoot the same thing every
every so you could be were the track? You are correct? So does it matter? Look good, feel good? Blah blah blah, A little bit of confidence. That's that's what it is. That means nothing. Hey, I want to look good when I walk out the door, because I look bad when I walk in the door after golf. Right, my wife goes, are you okay? She never says, she doesn't say, how'd you play? You know? Do you have fun? I was at him?
Are you okay, when you're when you're gone one of these days and I don't have a guest host, I'm asking Gaff, she's gonna come here and she's gonna be my He's going to deny, she says any of the things that I say said, could you fill me in on my partner here? Because I don't have any idea. I try to give him a company with that shirt, and he took you did not. I said, I don't look as fat as I did last time I wore this. I didn't. God, I did never use the word fat. I just said you
look. I said you look says did you finally finish cause you lost Did you finally fit in it? What is that saying? He says, you're fat? No, I didn't you you've lost weight? Right? Well, yeah, But because I haven't wait a second time out my my defense, I had never seen you in the shirt. You've lost weight. Maybe this is the first time you wore it. In my mind is because you can fit into it now. Because I like that short. I like that shirt a lot. In fact, I want that shirt. I gave you some
shirts, but nothing like that color. I like that color. This was the Father's Day gift. I like that from last year. And then I got another really cool shirt for Father's Day this year. It's it's it's a it's kind of a lavender stripe kind of shirt. Again, I look really good. And sorry I started this one. Sorry, I started down this path this picture. I like that shirt. Whether you're fat or know what color it is? But do you say it? I don't, but i'd
like the color. It's to me, what color is it to you? It's peach to you. It's a very hot pink. I don't handle the when you're talking though yellow and reds here, I have no idea what you're talking about because I don't know what yellow. To me, this is red. To me, this is yellow. It's a very hot pink shirt. I like it. I like it whatever color. Okay, Sorry, listeners, readers, and everybody else is paying attention. Just sorry, we have
okay. Dan Gerrero, uh you know he's involved in coaching searches in some form. Will ask him, uh you know what what he does. But he's the former U c l A athletic director, got out at a time that a lot of a lot of folks got out. You know. He we had him on last year. I think it was talking about you know, the upcoming you know, all the changes and stuff. So we'll talk about that more again, but sort of from a business angle, you know,
the business of college athletics. It's it's going, it's it's crazy. There's people. There's people making money everywhere, lawyers, uh, coaches, administrators and now athletes people a good point. Everybody's making money. But the universities and the media and the media, we don't make any money. Universities in the media right now. Yeah, the universe is making money. They're spending more than what they have. That's that's not making well, they're bringing
in revenue. Let's let's say it that way. So we'll have dan on uh a good friend of a good friend of ours uh le brun and a guy. And then at at four fifteen James Ready. He's a he's an athletic trainer. He's I think he's one of the trainers for the U of A, you know on you know, at games on the field and stuff.
And he was when I worked with him, and he was a trainer for the Sugar Skulls the first year of the Sugar Skulls when I worked over there, with Mike Fader, and then he's he's kind of responsible for their sports medicine kind of stuff. So they're doing some free physicals for for fall, you know, kids playing false sports this Friday. So he wants to
come on, come on and talk about that. If you've got a grand a grandson, or granddaughter, a daughter, granddaughter, or you you know, if you're in high school and you're listening to us for some silly reason, you know you can go get free. So let me ask a dumb question and ask him a dumb question. Do they still say turn around a cough? Is that still like a procedure. I haven't had them do that
for any of my physicals anytime recently. Yeah, But but back in the day he was, Yeah, they're coming to grab your stuff and trab your junk and your cough. What the hell for? I don't know what they could tell. We can ask him what could you tell from that? Ask him that, James, when you grab my nuts and you tell me to cough, what are you looking for? And if he says something like really nothing, then we've got a problem. Attorney. Now that brings that brings
new meaning to I won't use the plug on the ball exactly. I won't use a form of that. Ryan. We we we get it all on this show man the hand on the Yeah, well we can ask James. I've never you know what, I've never bothered to ask a doctor. They just say do it, kind of like when they say bend over and let's go to the mountain. Its forty five, six, fifty years ago, you know for me, Yeah, what you trying to do? You know? It's a point. Yeah, I mean I know why we you know
they would do that other thing from the other side. You know that's because we're old. Yeah, because we're on They got to check your your savior prostate. They don't even do that anymore. What does your doctor still do it? They can, they can. They can figure out your prostate through uh uh you know blood tests and stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, the dumbers and all that stuff. Yeah, they do that, but they also do other things. I haven't gotten them out quite a while. Okay,
good luck with that. Look probably a reason good law. Again. Then then there's the like going to Mount Everest, which is they call anoscopy. There's all that, Oh that ain't matter. It's the front. It's the stuff I had the front way. Yeah, it's okay, Cather's and other Yeah, no, let's change something. Let's change I've got the old man who listened to do some cringey. Now, yeah, they're turning. Said, I'm going to the young man where he's always positive about you exactly.
How do you think Dave Kelly is a little maybe a year old? Yeah? He come, Steve, how can you look so much older than him? Oh? Who does? I don't look sixty? I get ye, I don't look sixty. No, you don't, uh like like fifty nine and a half. Sorry, I sorry, this is a job at each other day, Steve, I turned sixty in two weeks, sixty five, two weeks. I don't think you look sixty five. You should see me in your driver's license. Yeah, because that's sixty five. You gotta get
in your driver's license. You shulde the picture. I look, I'm like silver because it's a black and white photo. Here, it's a black and white ford. I'm silver. I'm like silver silver. It's crazy. So we regressed. We take it. We have this into the ditch. We have it already. I mean we're like ten minutes into the show. We're already in the ditch, so I'm sure you can. You're gonna breaking news
with Pele? No, are you gonna? I think we should talk about this because it's kind of I think we should, and it's it's kind of big news because it was such a such a I didn't know what did he finish with last night? Do you know? You know? Right? Because you know I said I was gonna go home watch your game, and I can really forgot about it. And I got home and then all of a sudden, somebody said somebody tweets I mean I said, and sends me a
text. It's Peala and capital letters with exclamation points. I'm like what. I caught the finals, a few minutes of the regulation, then the overtime, and okay, I thought maybe there was a chance to be the m v P of the of the team. Somebody else was Robert can't remember's name, but he had a pretty good camp. He had a pretty good camp.
Was the game winner. He is who he is, right, he kind of just I thought in the regulation they had one chance and the guy got a got a charge call, and I thought they were gonna go to Pelly to win it from the perimeter, and they didn't then they went over time. Yeah, but uh he had the game winner. Well, you know again, as you said, he's had a good he's had a good summer. Uh, you know, did well in the summer league. Get him on, He's given himself a chance. Let's try to get him on.
Let's try. Yeah. Yeah, let's get get to his agent. I don't know if you can get us something about that. Yeah, so let's get out. He's a good dude. He's a really good dude. Uh. He he loves the cuss too. So watch that's right, press coverages. He's yeah, yeah he has that done that. Yeah, yeah, but a good dude. You know in Europe they call they you know, they drink young and they speak their mind. Yes, let's see what they want. Hell yep, yep, ye Okay. Are you still reeling
from the the previous conversations. By the way, I got a call a doctor. Yeah, that's what it is. Okay, right, So yeah, so Pelly, I'm good for him, you know. You know, well we'll see what happened with both him and Keyshot. You know. Yeah, Kesht was there celebrating with him, you know, pointing water and all all this stuff. It was said that he couldn't be part of the games. Uh but uh, you know, obviously a pretty good team. The Jimi Hawkins was not on the team. He played I guess earlier and then
didn't play after that. Well, he was named to the all uh you know, all league team, you know, because they had they had a first you know, Summer League first and second team. He was on the Summer League first team. I didn't see it on the court that yesterday.
Maybe he wasn't I missed. I don't want you go to Pelly, but I want you good to him to finish the game rather than than Yeah, I don't know, so I was curious to see could you check how many games Jimi Hawkins played for the Summer League but good for but for good for Pillar. Yeah. The funny thing about it is Jay uh so we've seen in the in the Millers guys raally you know what he's that none of these so so have you mischieved. I mean, have we seen have we seen
Gabe York anytime? Not recently, not recently, And some of the other guys that played in the type had some time in the league last right right right right? Uh, And sometimes they latch on, or they're just the league guys now, which is more powerful? Look after making one hundred grand or more. Fine, you know that's a good job. Where I was going was this, once your door and window opens, or you better make your opportunity because it's gonna close, just faster close and when it slams shut.
Yeah, you have to break a window or something. It's very difficult. Yeah, no, I hear you. One. Yeah, it'll slam because there's always the next Chimera belt coming through. It's always the next bus, Yes, always the next bus with better players or just as easily manageable players. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, so yeah, I mean yeah, let's you know, let's try and get pale Pali on and yeah, we can so do next week when we all start the season again, because next week is when we start
this thing full place exactly. Man, God, it's happening fast, let's quickest already August, it's gonna be August. It's going to be August, which makes me another year older, sixty five and still thinking about it. This time this year, you're wearing those shirts that can make you look It's not that I feel old, it's just that I feel like I am old, right, say that one more time. I don't feel old, right because I feel like my mind is still pretty young. I think I think
every old man feels that way. But but I am old. But from a from a Ryan's standpoint, right, from a Henry's standpoint, from a Wan standpoint, okay, right, because I'm like I could be their dads, all of there's I could even be. I could probably be one's grandfather. But and my body does things that I wish it wouldn't do, right,
like it pops in it? Sure, I think. Don't you think every old guy feels the same way they think they think young, especially when there's younger women, you know, forty thirty whatever, and you think you're, oh, look at you know you're available. No you're not. You're saying you get out of bendy. Oh old god, oh god, I feel like crap. You know, my bowel movement, so everything he falls apart real quick. What's old to you? What's old? We've done this
with other interns. What's old? How old is old? You can say sixty five if you want to, you what seventy? If I wasn't in the room, d you say sixty five seventy Okay, so no, but that's good prospective. But that's five years old too. Yeah, you know he's an other dude. He's old. He's old. But yeah, but seventy is five years away. For all right, let's take our break. We're gonn come back. We're gonna get Dan Guerrero on. We'll talk some
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are you great to be with you? Guys? Great to be then? We didn't know what to call you because you're you know, you got your hands in so many pots and we don't want we don't want to keep the former UCLA a D thing in there, so we just called you an executive. You're you're with a company that does what well. I'm actually involved in two enterprises subsequent to my retirement at UCLA. In twenty twenty, I became
the president of the United States International University Sports Federation. It's actually called JUNI USA now it's been rebranded, but we're the United States governing body for international collegiate competition. So everything related to the FEESOO Summer Games, World Games, the fees WO Winter Games, FISU World Championships, WU World Cups, all of those fall under our auspices and I've been great. I've had the opportunity
to serve in that capacity for four years. I was on the board for about six seven years prior to that, and it's been a blast opportunity to give student athletes a chance to represent the United States and international competition, and an opportunity for me to be able to travel around the world and represent the
United States. So that's one thing. And then most recently, I became a partner in DHLO Search searches for a very facet of intercollegiate athletics in the country and professional sports as well, but head football coaches, head basketball coaches, athletic directors, senior executive positions and the like. It's a lot of fun get to work with a lot of my former colleagues and an opportunity to
stay involved in intercollegiate athletics, which is obviously for me. Before we get into that, I just told Jay, let's label him this very happy former ad. Given the state of the world right now, it's funny that you say that, because to the person, every athletic director that I see tells
me that I got out at the right time. Yeah, exactly. Boy, you look at the landscape and college athletics right now, and it is certainly wild and wooly, and I'm glad I'm on this side of it at this point in time, right right, So we have some questions about your new job, well your second job that you refer to. You must be having fun. And this is an old type of thing that we've We've known
this about search firms and all that stuff for years. Yeah, you know, you know, certainly I'm on the I'm on the other side of it now. It's an athletic director. You have an opportunity to engage and hire many of these search firms as you try to land name the position, whether it's a head football coach, head basketball coach, or a senior member of your team. And I basically sat back after my retirement and decided to not jump in the pool right away and get involved with any search firm or any
consultant firm. And I did that intentionally. I wanted to evaluate what was in the future for me and where I felt I wanted to spend my time. And last October I had an opportunity to engage with DHR. It's a very reputable firm and blow location from domestic domestic searches to searches in the in international cricket and all those kinds of things. So I thought that would be fun. I get an opportunity to do it at my pace maximum flexibility.
I can do one search a year, fifty searches a year, and again it's fun because I have an opportunity to not only engage with a lot of my former colleagues, but to help a lot of my colleagues as they're seeking the next opportunity for themselves. So tell us how this process works. Okay, So you have a university. Let's say they're looking for a head football coach. They come to you and say what is it. Well, first and foremost, you would like all universities just give you a call and say,
hey, we want you to do this search. But it's a very competitive business, as you can imagine, and there are several search firms out there that have been doing this for many, many years. So my entree to this business is such that the relationships that I've built over the years really helps to foster that initial communication and that initial outreach from a president or from an athletic director to say, hey, we'd like to bring you on board
to look to help us find a football coach or a basketball coach. And so that's typically how it works. You know that there's going to be an opening, either you know in advance that there's going to be an opening, or you anticipate that that's going to happen, or the opening actually takes place, and then you compete for the job, just like just like many other
firms do for businesses in every in every sector. If you're fortunate, you can meet with the app, you can make your pitch and they and essentially what you're asked to do them the Okay, Dan, Dan, You're you're breaking up a little bit, so all of a sudden, so I'm not sure if you've moved around somewhere, but you're you're you broke up a little bit there. Okay, I'm sorry. So you said you you might you
get the you get the job. And now the university. How what do they provide you so that you can go out and do the search for them? Well, they you sit down and talk to them and what their needs are? You evaluate the landing. Who would be Oh, we're still breaking up, Dan, give the director. You're still Dan, Dan, You're you're you're still breaking up pretty really badly. Uh? Do you live in like some nice hills somewhere that yeah, a lot, Let's okay, it's
still yeah, we're still we're still breaking up. We're still do Dan? Do you do you have a landline you can call us from? Yeah? Can you do that real quick? So because we're we're just not getting this, Okay, I do not have a Oh you do not? Okay, go outside by the c you're probably by the go by the pool or the beach or wherever you are. I'm actually I'm actually in a very secluded area and there should not be That's why don't you guys give me a call back?
Maybe we can get another. No, we're good, We're getting you now wherever you are. That's that stay with us. All right, so you're so you were talking about you you know, they kind of give you away out. So now what exactly do you do? And how does this work? Because it's it's such a mystery to everybody, right, what exactly the Jay and I talked about this. We live in a world of information, right, Uh, And and I'm sure you guys charge a significant amount
or maybe not. H What makes you guys do different things than than the the internet can't do? If that makes any sense? We have Uh, coaches are willing to move from there from their present jobs. We know what they're contracts look like, we know what may be required for them to get out of a contract. We can share that with our client. So our client knows, if I want ex candidate, this is what it's going to
cost in order to get them. And then once we once we get a pool of candidates, you know, for a coach for a head coaching job, it could be six, it could be ten, it could be whatever, then the client says we'd like to talk to X number facility, we
facilitate that. Obviously, confidentiality is the utmost importance because we don't want to jeopardize anyone's position and any at any place where they might be presently working, and you go through the process of doing the interviewing and providing the access and the opportunity for those coaches to try to get the new job. And then the client makes the determination ultimately who they'd like to hire, and we help facilitate that higher So let me throw this example at you. So we've been
here a long time. I was here when Cedric was here, a well respected man, an old guy who knew everybody, everybody loves. Said, you're kind of got that personality in these times. And they would go to said, who, who do you think is going to be the who would be a good guy for us to hire? And said would be the guy he'd know the guys, blah blah blah. I think you should go chase that guy. And it would be a smart choice, right of course,
because said knew what he was talking about. Dan Guerrero's same thing. Because you got this reputation, you're well respected. You could do it by yourself. I may be saying too much, but don't you think that's a possibility too? Oh yeah, absolutely, you know. Not everyone who's looking for a head football coach or head basketball coach will hire a search from. Okay, some already know who they want to hire. For example, I go back to my own UCLA days when I had a basketball opening. I went
after Ben Hollen and he was the only candidate I wanted. So I may and and we were the situation for Ben became our coach, So I didn't need a search firm in that regard. There may be any that happen, uh will willing to There are those relates sure who they want to hire, so them uh and and you know, it's a very very precarious situation. I mean you may have your eyes set on one candidate and at the very last minute, that candidate may decide that he or she does not want to
leave their existing job. Well you better have the backup plan in that backup better be ready to go. And a search firm helps you deal with that because no everyone's on that search, whether it's the media, whether it's your fan base or whatever. Everyone wants everyone wants to know what's going on. So you have to protect your client the process. So you're still breaking up a little bit. But let me ask you, do the clients do the coaches go to you too for you to help them. Yes, they do.
This is the way it works in many respects. A job opens up, you'll have agents and coaches that will call you and say, hey, my guy's interested or I'm interested. I may know individuals and people from my firm may know coaches and clients, coaches and agents out there that we think could be good fits for them, so we'll reach out to them. And then the client themselves may say, hey, you know what, I'm really
interested in such and such a person and such and such a person. Can you investigate and reach out to them to see if there might be an interest. So there are a lot of factions that come into play in terms of how you build that pool makes sense right and does make sense? And then and then when you're talking about the money that's involved in some of these searches, right, you know, seven eight, nine, ten million dollars for
these coaches, the stakes are pretty igh. On the one hand, you've got to make sure that you've done all the work right, you know everything you need to know so that you don't go get somebody and then you find out a month later that they've got something in their past. Do you do you are you able to do background checks and things like that? I mean, how far does how far do you look into a specific coach? Oh?
Sure, when you're doing it, when you're doing a search of that magnitude, if you will, then you want to make certain that you do your homework and do your due diligence on those perspective clients, so that, in fact, when a coach is hired, that you're not going to have
a situation that is embarrassing, if you will. So, no, you you look at you look at an individual's past, and you you do what you can to glean everything that you possibly can, whether it's through social media or other mechanisms that come into play, so that you can share all of that information with the client so that they're not in the dark about anything regarding the perspective candidate, we only have a couple of minutes. I want to
I'm curious about this. I think you said you're from He's from Tucson, right, Yeah, yeah, you're different. So one, what, I'm not from here? So I've been here a long time though, What did you want to do when you grew up here? And Two? Did this little kid Dan imagine you where you become and what you've done with your life. Well, uh, you know, like many young kids, dreams and aspirations were to sign a professional base contract, like fifteen years in the Major
League, and uh, that didn't work. That didn't work. As you will know, I did go to Cooperstown, but I wanted to buy. I know, my dreams were never in any way, shape or form. Being able to go to US in a baseball scholarship representation, uh, you know, on its national team. Being able to go back to my alma mater and serve as an athletic director for eighteen years. Being the president of the federation. Uh, basically uh operates the teams that compete international company,
as did when I was an undergraduate. Never know, I thought that that was possible, this kid coming out of the Tucson Arizona. But it happened, you know, And I'm grateful for every opportunity to job I've had, and I've had a blessed life. Guys. Yeah, well back in myhood, I grew up in Sciently they'd say, yeah, that's right, you're right. Well, we we really enjoy how you on. We do.
We'll need to do this some more, and we want to go next time, we're going to get more into what you got out of because this is just crazy stuff, you know, with everything that's happening. It's all starts this year, so with all the new conferences and things, so a lot
of fun. But we appreciate all that information because all that stuff, I think, to a lot of us out here is a big mystery when you know, when the coaching search happens, we know so little until we hear that the you know, we hear all the rumors and all that kind of stuff. Finally coach gets haired. We go okay, now I got it. So appreciate the appreciate the time Dan happy to help guys that I'm willing to talk me. Well, thanks again, thank you all right, bye
bye. Yeah, sorry about all the all the breaking up there. I imagine him living living somewhere and up the hills in l A And and I mean to the coast having some tough some tough reception. But we got most of it in there. So it's good to have Dan. And how old
is he? He's older than you, I don't think so. See, I know that's what I think, because he was was here, he made of Coach Lopez and yeah there there were they They were buddies, I think, because Lopez is about seven, like he's like, I know, he's a friend of our of our friend Mike, Mike Frauds who uh who uh went to school? Yeah, yeah, let me see. Let me find his his uh his his wikipedia. Let's go to the break and then we can kind of Okay, No, he's much older than me. Actually,
he's you seventy, gonna be seventy three. So he must have been him and and he must have been teammates or you think one came after the other. Yeah, back in the day. Yeah, yeah, all right, okay, and he looks younger than his picture does. That's why said he got out of just at the right time. I'm dang it, Steve, I wonder if his idea looks great. All right, stick around, we'll be right back. If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, you know it's
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done? Sneezing? I've got one more? You go one more and they're ready. Coach, I'll give you he's been sneezing since we went went to break. I think I'm allergic to that shirt. Don't give it to me, Ryan allerg Your allergic to Ryan's beard. Ato's job. Okay, you got good to talk to Dan. Whoever we heard? We heard? Yeah, we sorted to hear the combat. It broke up a bit, but
we've got a lot of a lot of information. Again. Really interesting thing, you know, because it's a you know when you say what what what can you get that you can't get it? Well, he said, you know, we find out about their contracts. We I mean, main thing is they find out is a guy interested, right right, That's that's it right there. It is somebody interesting. But the thing is, like you said, there's a lot of them out there, right, Who do you
trust and who do you go to? Who do you know? But also say, like we said, this is thirty years ago, who do you want to trust? Call? Said, and he'll try you guys. Well again, you know, if it's somebody like him who has the contact, who can call pretty much any school, right and who knows you know, you know, somebody somewhere and get that information. Yeah, you know.
So that's what the so called back channel, right, Yeah, But sometimes you can't do that or you're sitting there and you know, as he said, you know, coaches and their agents start calling you, and now maybe you maybe somebody calls you who you didn't think was available, and now you find out that they are, and so you look at them. So yeah, so there's there. They do serve a purpose, you understand. Now. They're charging a whole hell a lot of money for that, are you
talking? I would assume two hundred thousand and three thousand dollars to me. To me, that's if you're gonna pay one hundred bucks. That's too much. You guys know, they should know who they're going to get in the first place. But I get all the back across. So let me let me talk to you about this, because I think this is an interesting thing. When I asked about what he had hoped to do growing up in Tucson, Arizona, and what do you, I think he smoke for every guy
like you liked me. I don't know about you, Ryan who played ball as a kid and wanted to be a pro baseball player, you know, and then when that dream do I dream, now, you figure out you gotta do something, you gotta do something with your life and be be good
at it or whatever. But but I was one of those guys you know, you dream about doing and then you realize there's a lot of Well my dream ended when I got when I became a freshman in high school and it still didn't weigh a hundred pounds, And I thought, okay, that's and I and I and I go to s Worrow High School where they were all bigger than me. You know, my my freshman year in high school, two guys on the baseball team got drafted eventually, No that year out of
high school. Yeah, you're talking about older guys. Yeah, were two seniors. Jim Butcher played, uh played Uh. He played with the Rangers for a number He was in the majors for a number of years. Not Jim Butcher, John Butcher, John Butcher. Well, you he would have graduated in seventy three, four seventy three or seventy fo okay a sore Baseball went back to back state championships with those guys. And I can't remember the name of the other guy. He was an infielder. But you know,
two guys from that group got drafted, you know. And then I you know Tom Weiedenbauer, who I played Little league baseball with, and he you know, he was you know, he he I think he had a cup of coffee in the majors, spent a lot of time at Triple A, and became a coach. So did you stop stop trying out out to your freshman year or did you try Now I tried out my son. I tried out freshman sophomore year, and I didn't make the team either, so that was it, and that was kind of that. That was him and I
played freshman JV football and that was that. And then he got killed. You know, I found out after my freshman year. But I thought it was pretty good. I was fast. But after my freshman year, you know, at the at the at the at the team banquet when they say something about every player, the freshman coach said that I was too small to play and he was afraid to put in the game and only played in two
games. You know, he said it was afraid to put me. We could fight a helmet for him, No, I I had a big head, Yeah I had. Yeah, I had trouble finding helmets. Yes, it's awesome put you. They put a helmet on me. But then the shoulder pads were just just too damn big. You know. The football pants went down to the middle of my calves. So that was it. That was the end of my sports well, that was the end of my high school sports career. I started playing again when I got older and got you
know, grew up a little bit, and I played baseball. When you got older and you found ringers to help you play in the baseball and then then I had a coaching career, and then I've given you grief. I almost said the bad word. Uh. Green told me said he was in the he was in the major leagues. He could hit the ball. Who are you talking about, Jason Hockemy, He said, what are you doing? DH? And he's batter than the major leagues? Like, oh,
I didn't think of that. He's hit me major league pitching. Why why are you batting for him? Okay, yeah, you know, I just need a little help there. Good point, you get a good points, good point, Thank you, thank you. Yeah that was Jason. Uh you know, I mean I knew he could pitch, and we pitched him as often as we go. But uh, but yeah, I posted I put the lineup of and I'm like, why why is he being d aged? You know, he put it in the middle because he was the Patrick.
He can't hit well. He can hit major league pitty. So he was in the National League a lot of years. So right, we saw major league pictures and I like it to the first time. You know how the those fields at High Corbett, the Annex fields, they have a big screen, uh in the outfield, and he hit it first first at bat, he hits the ball into the screen up there. I'm like, okay, I guess I shouldn't be dhing for him, So that just meant one
less guy gets to play. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. If anybody wants to call and talk about their dreams that were shattered when you were twelve, give us a call or eighteen or whatever whatever time would you realize you could here was a curveball and you say, oh crap, you know what, I could hit a curveball. I couldn't hit a fast and then that and that, and that was sort of my and that I'm talking about. You know, when I was playing city league baseball as an adult, guys did
pictures, didn't know pictures. You know, they throw me curveballs, and like, dude, if you throw me a fastball, I can't throw the curveball. So did you wear glasses back then? Not to play baseball? No, okay no, because I was hard to see contact. No, when I played, Uh, that was still when I when I could wear contacts and didn't need reading glasses like you need now. No, No,
I'm talking about when you were small. Oh yeah I had to Yeah, there were no contact I didn't get contacts, Like, yeah, I wanted my wife, my wife. My mom was like you, I'm not buying new contacts. You wear glasses. So I didn't get contacts until I could buy it. So but that's that's a whole another thing getting into my child. But uh much information, Yeah, way too much information. And I was always busting my glasses playing football. I may wear glasses in my helmet,
right. Yeah, my classes, the sports, those sports classes, you know, those plastic plastic you know what I'm talking about. That made you look more geeky than anything in this world. You never get a date worring those babies. Well my my, my mom wasn't buying me those either. Yeah, yeah we were, And then should get pissed if I broke my real glasses? And what do you want? No more sports for you?
Go get a job at McDonald's. So anyway, we we've gone down, we've gone down the road that today this isn't isn't aren't great memories for me? Okay you're not, because I'm not. I just thought I was a better athlete than I got credit for. Okay, you know, here's here's my here's my long time regret because of my size I should have wrestled.
That would that would have been probably I should have wrestled. And the whole reason I didn't wrestle because after freshman football and I gotten the hell beat out of me because I was on the scout team, right, I was always out there for you know, playing against the first team and stuff like that, and uh so I got the i'll be dot me so at the end of football, like, I don't want to practice anymore. And I should have wrestled my freshman year. If I would have, I could have
wrestled my entire my entire time at at school. And then I just didn't. It never did so, so so I'll just real quick for me. So I played baseball, played football all that baseball mostly in my high school, and then ran track. I used to be pretty fast, skinny white kid who can run fast. Then I go to state state championships in Hobbes, New Mexico with my junior year and run a different class than this. But I wrote, we see the Hobbs guys run, and I don't know
if you know the reputation guys fastest dudes in the state. Easy. There's a guy named Ruben Berry. You played, played here. He played here. They dropped the button and still won, and he was the acre. When I met him here and we talked, I said, how in the hell fast were you guys? Because they dropped them? But still I remember, I remember when they brought him because they were trying. His teammate was Tim Smith, the dude that played for the reds and went to the Redskins.
Uh, because my brother Rick at that time, he was trying to get into the whole agent business and all that kind of stuff, and he was yeah early yeah, because I remember ruben Berry was like on the eighty three, eighty four he was too yeah, And so he was trying to get into some of that athletic administration, you know, all that kind of stuff, and he decided it was a very sleazy business and got got out.
But he actually there was a real close friend of his that was from New Mexico, the Rick, and so the U of A reached out to those guys to try and help them get Tim Smith and Ruben Berry. And they only got ruben Berry, right, yeah. Tim Smith went to Texas Stay and then the reds He had that famous game with his one claim to fame man with the Redskins with the Redskins, right, Rubin didn't play a
whole lot yere. He's just he didn't He was just fast fast, yeah he I mean he you know, they tried to use them in a bunch of different ways. He couldn't really catch the ball. Yeah, no, No, he was a he ran track, I think, but he was very fast, very fast. I said. Remember they dropped the batar and they still wanting to get how in the world happened. Yeah. Now yeah, those guys that are you know, early eighties kind of guys. Yeah, fun stuff. Okay, all right, we got five more minutes.
Maybe you get a call here any second now if he'd like to call us five two o four one, six, seventy four forty we have who in the next hour. So we have James ready, h he's a he's uh, he's an athletic trainer. Uh. He's a clinical director at at Banner Health Banner University Medicine, and they're doing they're doing free uh physicals this Friday. So we want to talk about that. We've got to call let's take this. Hi, are on there on the ball, buddy? Uh,
I want to kind of let you know about the dreams being dashed. So we were playing over at uh At Sports Park. You know, was in my funnies and stuff, and we were sponsored by this place in Tucson called Power Plus. They were, you know, a big Harley Davidson store. We had the whole uniform to get up all that stuff and ended up playing in a tournament. You know. We were in the highest league there, which I think was a B league. We would crush everybody. We had
a really really good team. So we got Harley Davidson, the Power Plus store to sponsor us to go to like a World's tournament, thinking that we were that good. The first team that we played was the Arizona Death Team. They beat us twenty three to three, and we were done. Now what what? What was the softball? Was? This baseball? Was this softball? So softball? Ye? What years were these? Oh? Boy, just had to have been late late nineties. Okay, okay, so
you're like forty something then you're in the forties. Yeah, I just turned fifty last year. Yeah okay, yeah, I remember going to play over there. Those dudes hit the ball like yeah. Well, there was a team that used to travel around called Steals. Do you remember those guys. Oh I remember them. Yeah, well we played them once and they they were It's just every ball was a home run, right or or they hit
it at you and you just got out of the way. Yeah. Yeah, they hit the fence and you know, it's like, oh, you know, I'm gonna hit a line drive to the fence, did you know? And those were bullets? Did you play in high school? I didn't. I didn't played over sunny side. Oh okay, okay, were you halfway decent? Yeah? That was pretty good. Okay, so that's why you were playing pretty well? Yeah, okay, No, all of us have these stories. Yeah, well you realize what the hell am I doing
here? All right? Hey, thanks for Collings story. Yeah, no, I remember that. Uh you know that the team steals and they came to They came to town playing at sports part I actually from I don't remember where they were were from here though, No, they weren't from here, and but they were traveled around. You know, you'd pay them to come, and so they were we were. We were. We had a pretty good team also at sports parks, so we got picked to play them.
Unfortunately, I blew out my ankle the night before, so I went to the game, but I didn't get to play in the game. So and uh, but I just I'm like they hit if they were to hit that at me, I'm just I'm turning my back and getting out of the way. So Victor didn't didn't have enough guts to call. You said they made a movie about Jay Rudy. No, I wasn't even Rudy, That's what I wasn't. I wasn't even Rudy. Rudy was like a foot taller than
me. I'm not lying. Called I was I my song When I went for my physical my sophomore year, I mean my freshman year of high school, going to and I went for the physical to go play freshman football. I was fort eleven and a quarter and I weighed ninety eight pounds and I had weightlifted all somewhere long, so I'd put on some lbs. And I mean, I was strong, but I was little. You're wrestling your dressling
career? Should I was tiny? I should? I should? I could have wrestled at like one oh five and I would have been a stud instead. I said, forget it. I hate it. In my high school athletic career was over. But I'm better. I think it was not started before. Yeah, it almost didn't start. It almost didn't start, Okay.
I'm still trying to find out if if if Arizona used a a if anybody knows out there, if Aarzon to use a search firm when they hired Kevin someone, No, they couldn't have got we got to call that search from it. There's no way I think they did. His name was mister
Robins, doctor Robins. Yeah, maybe there couldn't have been. They may have had like Rocky and and and they may have tried to vet him, but in terms of they want to issue ask for their money back, if they did, that's what I'm trying to you know, they they could not. It was it was a Robins call. I don't even think he was maybe just okay, whatever you want, doctor. Yeah, honestly it might
be. Could you know it could have been exactly that exactly because that was just too much of a bad mistake, even though he was the hot guy. There was some glaring things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially the I don't give a crap out right, And that's the whole that's the whole danger of where you fire your coach and you got to have a coach within two days or fans lose their minds. Right, you're hind. Like I said, it takes longer to get hired McDonald's than it does to get hired
as the football coach somewhere sometimes. Right, Okay, we're at the top of the hour. We're going to take our break. We're to come back Kevin's You're not Kevin, you're Ryan. No, that doesn't count for that. Ryan's here with breaking news, so we'll uh, we'll get into that when you get when we get back. That's about forgiving me, I know, stick around.