Breaking down all the exes and ohs. It's Steve Rivera and Jagen Salviaz. This is I on the Ball on Fox Sports fourteen. Okay, welcome back to an of the ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, He's Jaginsaus. Now we have an Elyse with breaking news break. This
is I on the Ball, breaking news on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. All right, So what I have here is that Arizona announced earlier today that they will be hiring former San Jose State running back coach Alonso Carter to replace Scotty Graham, who is departing the u of A to Washington with Jedfish. Seems to be keeping on tread. Jedfish is taking his running back coach, and Brennan is bringing his guy to the u of A. So he spent seven
seasons at SJSU and he's Brent Brennan's guy. So hopefully we'll do some good things. Are we already saying though that he thought he can uh, the running back is also coming with him, right, Is that what you said? Or do we not know that the coach just the coach? Okay, I thought, well, we had the starting running back at Sane State. They went into the portal, so I think the presumption is that he might
wind up Ana, especially with Jonah Coleman having gone. So, you know, look at the trickle down content at the end of the day, right, the trickle down continues, both players and coaches. I saw that there was another another player decided to go to to go to Washington at the quarterback, another quarterback recruit from Arizona who had committed, who had committed to Arizona, he wasn't signed. He committed in Arizona. He's flipped to Washington.
So he's a commitment for for next year. I think eventually in over the next week or so, we'll see more commitments come here. And given that Brennan's at least he told us in a number of out and it said his priority was to get involved with the kids here and let them know who he is, keep them here and then go out. Yeah, still still got to get an offensive coordinator here. Are you hearing anything. I'm hearing zero. I'm hearing nothing that so, and we kind of know that if it's
doing a KENO, he'll probably read the defensive coordinator. Yeah. Yeah, Well they even haven't. They haven't even really announced, and everybody says that he's coming here. So interesting, Okay, I don't think it will be surprising if we see more Arizona recruits go to Washington and more San Jose. Right, sure, recruits come here to be with coach Brent Brennan's you know. And and again you just hope that that they're making these just you know,
they're good decisions, right, I mean Jetfish said himself. If you're doing it just because you know there's more money over there, that's a bad reason to be doing doing any of that. Right, Let's see what happens there, all right. So we also have that the Milwaukee Bucks fired their head coach Aiden Griffin earlier today. Did you get the record coach for games? That was it? I? Bitually? He's one about least twenty five. He's the first year, first year head coach. What the hell were
you the assistant? Did you mess it up that bad? I do you just think that he was too young or they were not listening to him or paying attention because they have a good record. I don't know. They're in second place in the ET and they have they have a chance to win it all. I think they're one of the second favorites. They say anything, just I didn't see too much about this. All I hear is that they are eyeing Doc Rivers. You know, maybe this guy was too young and
they want someone more old school, more traditional. Doc Doc Rivers obviously has had a long, fruitful coaching career, but he was fired from. Yeah, they I think they want a stable, older guy to help guide them, you know, yeh being who the other guy was too young? Maybe they weren't listening to him the NBA. Do they ever listen? Come on, I don't. I don't understand. Steve don't get a had job in the NBA. That's what understand. They're three and a half games out of
first place in the East. He's coached half a season. What the hell? What? I just wish somebody would say, here's why, right, here's why we fired Dave Hike. Here's why we fired Uh, what's the name Adrian Griffin? Just tell us? Why do you keep us in suspense? Yeah, nothing happening, well, not happening right away, and eventually he'll come out. Yeah, I mean Doc Rivers was let go from the seventy six ers. The end of last season and now he's just been doing
TV, so he's like free to coach. I guess, dang, and again didn't did he didn't even finish the season, and its second place in the not even halfway through the season, second place in the conference, and tied for the second best record in the league. The only one ahead of him is the Boston sething yeah, because then the Bucks are thirty and thirteen and and uh and the Timberwolves are thirty and thirteen. What the hell?
Why does Greg Popovich still have a job. He's eight and thirty five and he's got you know, the best place, best rookie in the NBA. Well, last night, did you have anything else after that? After that? Because you saw last night that there's seventy one point effort last night and b went for seventy one. I guess yeah, Towns went for sixty two, did you? And the coach was pissed at Karl Anthony town Why because
he said that that that that that the whole team played immaturely. Oh yeah, yeah, because they were going, you know, they were going after giving them the ball, giving him the ball, giving him the ball, and he was scoring all these points. But they were losing and then they lost and he was pissed about that, and I agree, I agree. Are they're the one? I think they're the best team in the West, aren't they? Aren't they the best or second best team in the West Minnesota?
Yes, yeah, yes, so well every that's rich people problems, goodness, the first world probably first we're probably yeah, good, good, that's going on. Good. Yeah, I'm not too sure. You see a Tristan Thompson. I guess you don't know who he is. Yeah, the Kardashian guy he was. I didn't know he was still in the league.
Again, this is good to be a six foot ten guy. He's with Cleveland and apparently he's been suspended for twenty five games for for drug drugs p dad, try to be young still, but it was performance enhancing drug P I was gonna say p D as that's the personally, that's the old things that we used to put our calendars on. Okay, okay, yeah, so he's out. He's thirty two years old. I guess he was with Oh, he's one of the Kardashian guys. That's how he became who
he became. Yeah, okay, so not doing anything special. In the basketball. He won't be. He won't be definitely won't be now right, So I saw a uh, you know, keep going with some breaking Joe Joe Len already broke out another the bractice. Arizona's the two seat again, two seed, but I think aren't they the second the last two seats?
At least that's not one yesterday there were number eight, So second second, it's funny Joe Joe Bill Joe Joe billis j. Baill talked about it was only yesterday saying that, you know, there's three or four good teams that really looks stand out. I think Kentucky was one, and Yukon and Arizona. He says, but you know, Arizona looks like they can win it all one day and then not win anything in the next first round the next You've seen that personally, we saw it a lot and a half. Last
game. We've been saying that for a while, at least against UCLA. They came back by being down nineteen points was the biggest margin, and Arizona usually doesn't come back like that. They usually don't push through till the end, and they did that this game. So I honestly was kind of impressed
with that second half reform. Well, I got stopped at my breakfast club, and the first reaction I got was, what the hell was wrong with them in the first half part of the second Instead of I'm happy we won in the game, it was like, what the hell is going on? It's nice to know that we have that fight in us, though, yeah,
because sometimes we don't have that. There's the problem though. You also have to realize you don't have that fight something and Princeton comes up in the first round or second round, You're thinking, what happened to that fight? Well, they're on a plane coming back to Tucson. Yeah, because you have to have it all the time. Yeah, yeah, and they were at home. I think he made a great option pimasion that had this game not been played in Michale, they're gonna be by nineteen. Where do they
go on the road? This week? They go on the road, they say. There was a picture of Matt Court, the old Matt Court. Somebody posted a picture of it, and I just brought all these I love that place. I love you know, the three levels, the whole bed and people hanging. You have a cigarette in that place that's burning down in a heartbeat. Did Tommy Lloyd say anything after that UCLA game about them being able to come back? They played well, but they played hard to play
different. Uh when after it he was he was proud of them, but nothing specific. Cronin had something to do with it too. He went ballistic on the sideline and you know he couldn't have had a technical a technical file at the worst time, right, all right, you know, Pela Larson is already going to the line. He's the best free throw shooter. You knew he was gonna make all four of them, and he did off them just hit the bottom of the net. Yeah, and then all of a
sudden, the game is tied. Once Arizona tide the game, that was it. That game was over. It's funny because he benefited from the same situation, type of situation against a shoe with those five texts. They won by seven. They won that's almost a seven point player or whatever it was. And one day you win it that way, another next day you don't win it. That's the next question I've been I've been getting what did he say it? Like, I didn't hear it? No, we could see
it. We can see Yeah, we saw it, but we couldn't hear it. Couldn't hear it. You didn't have to be a mouth reader to understand what he said. I know. Moving on, Carter Bryant, the recruit recruit for for Tommy Lloyd becomes Tommy Lloyd's first McDonald's All America. He was named McDonald's American. They must have like thirty Now did they say him? I didn't. I didn't see. I just saw that he he was named a a McDonald's All American. So okay, you want to talk about
transfers. How's how's this? Gundy's son who played for them at Oklahoma State is transferred? Seriously, my Gundy's kid is transferred from his dad's team. Good or Gundy is leaving? Where's he going? It looks like we're just jumped in the portal the portal? Why are you going to Ohio University? This is yeah, I love you, but I'm taking off. My feelings would get hurt. I'm a man, I'm a forty year old. My my feelings would really be heard if my kid transfers. Really, Dad,
you don't understand you understand you? Following the girl? What are you doing here? Playing time? Man, you don't give me no playing time. You're too mean to me. Oh my god, Oh my god. Okay, all right, I don't have any more breaking these, do you know? Okay, let's let's talk about who's the next athletic director. Man. I think I think Greg threw it out right away. I know a couple of the roads, is it roads? He's a bail Okay, Mark Harlan.
Why would they look at anybody but markin money? I think he's probably doing really well. Would you want to leave there to come here? No, he's got a better job there for sure, no no doubt. But you're in your you're too sentiment give give him a clean starting to cry over year. He loves he loves that. I love shocked. I would be shocked to be Kim here. Why would he leave? He's got a good deal to come back to. I'm sure Lake loves him to. He was here for a long time, so I know, I know he was.
He's one of the good guys. I think it's gonna be the guy that that well, who knows, because I don't know how they're gonna hire. Come on, this is gonna be a tough hire. How about Steve hurt. Somebody threw that name out? Oh cool with that? Is he tired of that? Maybe it could be right. He could out there if you're Bobby Robbins or somebody in Bobby Robbins camp, you know, don't you call at least call him? What does it take to be an a D.
You're just throwing people out there. He was a general manager in the NBA. It's not like he doesn't know how to run. Uh Now, I don't know if he was a good general manager, but he knows how to do it well. He would know how to run. He was another interesting thing that Huberto said he wants and I thought it was great stuff with the coaches, but with a D. He wants somebody who go out and chase money. I don't know how good of a I with he did. Was
he that guy? I don't know, but I know Greg was that guy? Greg? I don't know about. But then he talked about that you you've a coaches need to have stake in the game by chasing the money, chasing them, which I don't think. I know. You know what another thing Fish didn't get credit for. He chased that he chased the money.
Maybe he didn't chase as much money as he was as he needed to, because apparently a lot of the a lot of the spending that went on to was football was football, and I think part of what got them in trouble. And I think another thing with the boosters, the booster comment by whoever the source was, wink wink, that he chased some of the boosters that didn't belong to the athletic department, that would belong to the school. You didn't do that, and you you're politically you can't do that, but I
think he did. And there's a there's a very I've seen. I know I've seen that. I've actually been been in discussions where they say, do not you you athletic department can't go get money from that person. You know, I would bet your money. I would bet my bucks. That's very that happened. Yeah, you know, yeah, no, one hundred percent that there's you know, there's a protocol over there for for where you can go get money. Yeah, I guarantee that happened. I'm sure Jed didn't
give it. One crab actually told you stepping on, said the money's there, I'm going to go on and get it. And you probably got it, Yeah, because he does a lot of things in that in that building of his refurbished a lot of stuff. He needed something money from somewhere, right, They had to come from somewhere, no, I yeah, no, no doubt, but I I you know the guy Baylor, you know, I've never heard of him, but you know a local guy. He's
in Arizona. Guys. I still like Mark Carlin because he's Yeah, you're a settle metal and you try it Eagles concerts and you're crying for Valente's is coming. You're really going to be a I have a grandpa now, so fuzzy himself the playground. That's why you came it all fluffy and I wouldn't call it. Let's get out of here before he gets too. You can call it whatever you are. A good discussion with Frank Bush. I think Frank Bush is one of the great guys. So I'm looking forward to that
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of a great swim coach. How are you? Frank? And I would get a lot of money that you're happy not to be coaching these days. Well, there's there's a lot of reasons that you don't want to do it, but you're always connected to your athletes, so it's it's just a little bit different. Now, let's put it down with a little bit. Do you be nice? Yeah, I think that's understating at just a level. So I ran into you coach over the weekend. Hadn't seen you in a
while. Good to see you, and you told me you you've been up to some work. You retired, but you're really working on a lot of like policy, or you're at least testifying or whatever. Yeah, I was. I was deposed by the Power five Conferences. They're in the defendants in regards to the athletes bringing suit against the Pour five Conferences to try and gain what I think was ten percent of their media value from all those schools, which I think the total of that was about one point four billion is in
b dollars. I mean, I mean that the thought of that is such an incredible thing. But you know, this whole idea of you know, the athletes getting their share, you know, it sounds like it's something that should have happened a long time ago. But the reality of it is is, you know, what can this do to athletics And what are your thoughts on all of that? Well, Jay, you're certainly right in regards to
things should have been taken care of at least addressed. Probably you know, when things first came out in two thousand and nine by the basketball player from UCLA the first challenged the name, image and likeness. But personally, I never felt like the NCAA have very good leadership during that time, and because of that, continued to hold to a principle that that pretty much everybody else
knew was not going to last forever. So in regards to athletes, I'm all for athletes being able to to gain whatever financial advantage they can gain based on their accomplishments or based on their exposure. I'm just a little bit hesitant about schools being involved in having to to take care of nil on tracks because in the free market system, you know, you're only as good as your
product, and I think that's just kind of the way it is. And I think schools are being held a little bit hostage if if it does come down to a suit in which they would lose and have to pay them directly
from the institutions. Well, you've got and you've got this proposal by Charlie Baker out there to the NCAA new NCUBA president about you know that half the schools in a certain division have to pay or that the schools have to pay half of their athletes thirty percent of a year and and what what that could possibly due to everything? But you know, as you said, that's kind
of forcing the schools to do it. Whereas you know, when you're talking nil, that's a that's an athlete just having the ability to sell their as you say, their product or whatever you want to call it. But you know, it seems it seems like such a it seems like it's almost too big to ever resolve. Is that it's not that hopeless, is it? Well, I guess it depends on which side of the fence you're on as
far as hopeless is concerned. If you are, and this is not used as an argument, but it would be hard for me to understand or or to wrap my head around the cost to try and continue to to offer or support or at any division on school and so from a standpoint, how that would effect our Olympic sports and all non revenue sports would it could be devastating.
But that's certainly not the argument that I would use. I think again, I would go back to whatever your brand and whatever your accomplishments are would be what you have to offer. And I think you know, schools right now, I think are giving the majority of their athletes close to six thousand dollars for living expenses over and above their scholarships. And I think that I think there are ways in which, you know, there can be all sorts
of different ways to raise money for your sport. I would hope that alumni would be more involved in such a thing. But if it comes down to schools having to pay thirty thousand dollars, I don't I'm not sure how that. I'm sure that would be into the millions, and I have no idea what that would look like. Well, question looking at Arizona situation already in debt very highly. But let me ask you, so what came of the deposition. I think that we didn't get that far on Saturday because you were
you were They had you there because you are an Olympic coach. Yeah, they had me there because I was ahead of Olympic sport for almost seven years, and they wanted to know. They were trying to initially the the the plaintiffs, which is basically the athletes. They look at this from a standpoint of if we're going to we could unionize where we want to be able to
get our fair share from the media rights that these conferences are getting. And I was brought into be questioned by both the defense and the plaintiffs in regards to what I think that might might happen to the future of any sports. And quite honestly, I think if you would bring up a case as far as the defense would go and use the defense being that schools are going to drop sports because they can't afford it, I don't think a jury would even
hesitate to say, well, that's too bad. The coaches are being paid
millions of dollars. The athletes should certainly be paid as well. But I do think from everything that I've read and everything that I brought up to them was if this becomes a Title nine issue, meaning the collectives are are taxable as opposed to being nonprofits, which that seems to be the way to pendle in the swinging right now, then it's going to come down to a Title nine issue, and there's going to have to be equal money distributed to both
men and women. Yeah. Well, again, so many layers of this. You know, there was a there was a congressional hearing a few days ago, I don't know if it was even yesterday or late last week, and a couple of athletes testified there and then the difference of opinion as to what should be going on was was incredible that I guess there was a football player who said, yes, this is about whether or not athletes should be employees, and the football player said, I feel like an employee. I
should be an employee. I want to get paid like an employee. Then I think it was a volleyball player, and it might have been a swimmer or a track athlete. I think a swimmer who both said I don't want to be an employee. I'm happy getting my scholarship and getting whatever money I get to live off of. I don't want to be an employee at the university. I don't need to be an employee at the university. So it's funny the desperate disparate opinions on depending on who you are, you know,
where this thing should be going. And it's kind of led the discussion in the aftermath, and that was in you know what if the foot if the football players feel like they should be employees and want to be employees, you know what, separate football from everything else and let let the other sports continue the way they were, you know, with regional conferences and and you know they're they're amateurs and they get they get their scholarships and as an added bonus,
if, as you say, there's some value in their NIL, they get that as well. But I don't know if anybody would ever, you know, grab onto that and say let's go with that. I mean, where are we headed with all this? Well, I think there's well, there's all sorts of possibilities out there, and I'd be the last one to stay. Which one is it's going to come to fruition. But they also
talk about there's a couple of things. Number one, if you're an employee, you can be fired, So you're you could be fired and obviously lose your scholarship, lose your NI, l lose everything. So be careful what you wish for from an athlete standpoint. The other possibility is that athletes to
slow down. The transfer portal would be for athletes to sign contracts and so not necessarily employees, but in that contract would be amount of X amount of years that they had to stay with your program, what they were going to aid, And of course they could they could certainly, and that would be from an NIL outside of the school point, or it could or it could be the school coming up with the money. But a contract, potential contract might be a solution to a lot of this too. The again, maybe
football would be completely separate. You can't as long as there's as long as there's federal funds coming to an institution, they'll have to abide by the title line rules, which would The only way that I think a school could separate football out is if it would become Arizona Wildcats Football LLC, which would be completely separate from the athletic department department in the university and operate on its own
business model. So I don't know. There are just so many things that have been talked about and kicked around, and right now, from what I've seen, in moving forward, I think Kyle nine is going to be an issue. And I also feel like the contracts, because of what the Transfer Portal is doing, might be a way in which it becomes more reasonable for coaches and for institutions to realize that a we've got player A for two years or three years or four years, because that's what the contract has been has
been designed for. So Frank, you've been gone from this administration for a while. You know you didn't deal with UH with Robbins or hike or whatever. But it must come as a surprise to you or whatever word you want to use as you reflect on a Hikey being fired from the institution that you
were. Are you proud to work for? Yeah? I don't. You know, I don't hear things, and I reach out and still stay in touch with several coaches at the university, and I don't think I beg I'm the person that can that can say anything in regards to what they did or what he didn't do, because I'm really I'm not that close to to that situation. But I really feel like the U of A is in a is in a is in a good place. And you might say, well, how could that do we? The university is a you know, two hundred
and forty million dollars and how is that in? The athletic department is in debt somewhere in the fifty five plus million dollar range. But I feel a couple of things that's strongly about the u A at this point in particular time. Number One, I think the athletic department could say up a repayment program to the university the money that that the debt that is has accrued. Remember
that's that's a lot of that came from the pandemic time. Pandemic time, and that's been that's going on across the countries, and in some cases universities have excused that debt. But that being said, I think we can we can pay that off over a period of time. Currently, our facilities are state of the art the most part, and I really believe that that other
than the west side of the stadium meets the address. But that's something that that will do that that will take time before that's going to be moved forward. But the other thing that I think is critical right now is the fact that we have a basketball coach that is absolutely committed to the institution and the progress and the success that Tommy's having rubbed off on everyone in that building.
And I also feel like since we've hired Rent, it's going to make a difference in that regard to because there's no question in my mind he's here for
the long run and I believe he'll be very successful. And when you've talked about having bert On before, there's a gentleman who is committed to the success of the university in not only the athletic department, but in the academics as well, and when you have a core, realizing that we don't maybe have the same core that maybe Alabama or Georgia or Ohio State or Texas some of the other big schools. That doesn't mean that we obviously can't compete because we
just beat Oklahoma. And so I believe that we're in a great place from a positive standpoint, and we need some of that positivity to rub off with all the other coaches in the department. And I really believe that the UBA is in a good spot now. As far as the general institution and what's happening with academics and staff and everything else outside of the athletic department, I don't know. That's that's the President Robins, how that's resolved and and how
we go to backpacking that yeah, Frank, let me tell you. I'll have you on my Mount rushmore of you a just so you know that thank you for joining me or us. I'm sorry, thank you, Frank. I appreciate, appreciate the opportunity. And and IO is great for the community because it's it's what the U of A is, the focal point in the center of this community and for anyone to think that it's not they're thinking the
wrong thing. Well, thank you, all right, Frank, we'll go off and solve all the ni L stuff and get back to us when you can the new a D. Thanks Thanks, Frank, appreciate it. Frank Busch one of the great coaches. In fact, I might put him on my rout rush for he's won a lot of title and it may not it's maybe maybe not out of the question to get a go I like that back here as an ad or consultant. Yeah, well, that's why they have Mike, because he knows that he's been there forever. Frank's been here,
He's done it. He's just at the highest level of one of the most successful programs at the university. Obviously a smart guy. Right, he's being asked to weigh in on this up. I want to ask him one last question about to travel with a minor sports Yeah, you know how much he probably would have hated it. Yeah, okay, here, all right, we'll be right back. If you're an Arizona Man's basketball fan, you know it's been successful for nearly forty years. Now, take a look back at
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be our Tuesday person coming in with us. Thank you very much. Want to dissect some of the things that Frank said, Well, yeah, you know, we were talking about that, you know, and to me STI and I said it to Frank, it just seems so big. Oh yeah, so many pieces of it from so many different directions. How does it? How does it ever get corralled to come up with a solution that works? Yeah, well it's not. It's it's uh, it's enticement. Now
you're paying people of kids money to come to a school. They're not doing the service yet. It's like a free agency. You're gonna give you a bag of money. We hope that you do well, and if you don't do well, well that's on us. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Now, it's paid for money. We've got to pay you. We still got to pay right. And then the employment stuff that we were talking
about. If you're if you're gonna be an employee, well you better work your butt off and you're better prepared for the possibility that, as Frank said, that you might get fired yeah, you know. Okay, where we said be careful what you wish for. You want to be an employee, Okay, you don't get to just get the paycheck, you know, the certain paycheck of an x amount of money based on your skills. But on top of everything else, you got the responsibility of doing your job well and
doing it well enough to keep it. What if you get hurt, it's like a It's like Coloco. I don't know the situation with the what do you do with with Coloco? So he gets he gets let go, he gets waived, and then you have the blood clot thing. Who's on the hook for the medical stuff? Well? Seeah, I thought I thought that you could not let go of a player over a medical condition. The executive note about it, you know who knows. I don't know the story,
but I don't know. We gotta call, we gotta call. All right, let's take this caller. Hi, you're on the air and I on the ball. Hey you guys, this is Gabe. How you guys doing gable? Fine? Did you hear our interviews? Yesterday? No? No, no? Today? But let's go ahead. I was gonna what's up, Gabe? Uh? Nothing? Arizona on Saturday, Arizona had a pretty good day. The majority of the football team came back and it's uh and it's gonna we're running back and it's gonna play uh uh for one more year
next year. And then Arizona beat U C l A and and anyway, so yeah, everything's going good. What about you two? Well you heard about Dave Hokey, Right, yeah, I don't understand why did they fire him? That's kind of moron, That's that's gay man. Tell it like it is. It's an interesting thing. Are you worried about we were talking about this at the start of this. Are you worried about all the chaos and stuff going on over there? Uh that you know how coaches might be
affected, players might be affected, those kinds of things. I don't think Brennan or Tommy Lowy is gonna will be a factor of the players. I mean, from what happened on Saturday, most of the Arizona football players are going to be committed to play for the university. And then I mean, I don't really care about other people outside of Arizona talking about the university. That's just more opinions of sheep and so and so can we talk about how
how how? How? Nick Krona is a definition of a ask clown well about your language. He doesn't take responsibility for anything, just you. Likes to blame everything and everything, including our including our guy justin spears. So he's a he's angry elf. Okay, Gabe, Okay, gave, thanks for calling it. We always appreciate you. We do, Hey, one more scene in a boxing match, who would win Bobby, Bobby Curley or mc cronan. I think I think I don't know because I'm not sure that
Hurley is necessarily younger than him. I think Bobby Herley's got more of a reach. Bobby Curley has the benefit of acting like and uh mc cronan is just he's very short. Only him angry elf? Okay, Gabe, Thanks Gape, appreciated, Gabe, Thanks much. Man anytime bear down in Arizona, co Cat How you do? Okay? Close? That was close? Okay, all right, get back to you know this thing has gotten so big. There's congressional hearings right, there's you know, there's lawsuits, there's
where is this a what where is it going to get? And how so you you've been here four years at least. Okay, four years before you got here was part of the year before COVID or was it COVID, It was cod it was COVID. I graduate high school twenty twenty. Okay, so you you came with COVID. I think the kids. The kids were like that. I actually did get COVID my first week though, and I had to go to the COVID dorman because Robins came to the dorm and a
knocked and said, how are you doing? Okay, like with his mascot, right, And that's what I always liked him since then. Okay, so the players of the athletes were not getting paid at that time right now, So how do kids feel about that? Because you're a student. You're a student, not a student athlete, but you're here going to school being normal people. And now you have student athletes getting paid, not a little, a lot. I honestly think it's a good thing. I think these
athletes are It's basically it's a huge level. There's there are a lot of pressure for big schools like Arizona that the basketball team is highly ranked, the football team is doing well now, and they I think they go through a lot and I think it's good they get paid, right. I think they deserve it. Honestly, they're going through a lot. I don't know about being employees of the university, right, but I think that's a little that's like a fine line. But you know, they're under a lot of pressure.
They're in the public eye. It's like they're almost professional athletes. Okay, okay, put yourself, put yourself in the in the in the shoes though of a quote unquote Olympic athlete. We have the We had Jordan Geist on the show and Delaney Schnell and we asked them both about any I'm not getting any of that. So that's for the football and the basketball players. Yeah, Jordan Geist is a way more accomplished athlete than pretty much anybody on
either of those teams, as well as Delaney Schnell. Yet because of the sport they're in, they don't get the benefit of that. How fair is that? I mean, that's not very fair. But that's where the money is. What can no one can really do anything about that. People are always going to watch football and basketball. They're too practical, Yeah, I mean, but also football and basketball, like Berto was saying, it pays for the other sports it does, especially football, and is that fair?
Well? See, and that's one of the things that I think is making this thing harder than probably I'm not gonna say that it needs to be. It's just making this hard is that you've got the college athletics is heavily weighted in terms of revenue to men's basketball and football. But there's so many people who want all the athletes to be treated equally, And how realistic is that?
Right? Should? You know? The football athlete is helping to bring in all this money, but they there's people out there who want the gymnast and the football athlete to get the same thing you're talking to. We're talking about all this debt at the university is in eighty million dollars from the athletic department. The reason it's not more is because of the football team, right,
and the basketball team. And in a perfect world, they would all be treated the same, get all the reason enough to go around around? Yeah, but there's not. And that's that's the deal. That's how I don't understand how they're going to get thirty thousand dollars each and it's gonna come from the school. There's not enough to go around, and you know, and and and let and let's take it down to a school. Now, you don't even have to go to a you don't even have to go to
a mid major school. Just go to a school. It doesn't bring in the revenue that say, you know, football high you're on the air and I on the ball. Hey guys, how you doing, Howard? What's up? Hey? Yeah? You guys taught me something and I actually know and have met over the years. And some don't do it anymore, people that are fundraisers on the educational side and people that solicit gifts on the sports side. But you guys are pretty sharp. That makes a lot of sense
that you can't mix. You can't solicit the educational and vice versa. You're not supposed to supposed supposed to. But I heard that they have. Yeah, yeah, And I think that's part of the conversation with the boosters from yesterday's tweet. Yeah, you know, And that's no fault of he can.
I'm trying to remember how I knew this, and it goes back to a long, long ago history that I you know, at a time when I was I was helping raise journalism scholarship money and there were people, and it was through the u of A, and there were people I wanted to approach and I was told you can't approach him because that's a foundation. Yeah, a foundation. There's only so many deep pockets, man, And at some point they're gonna say, I'm sorry, I got nothing. Yeah,
I got a question. Then, So if they are getting paid, like your young lady said, can't they be a little tougher on the and there's under pressure on my hope the money alleviates some of that pressure. And then and then the coaches can catch coach him like they're a little older than twenty year old people or eighteen in the case of kJ Lewis and what's his name, Boswell, Kyler Boswell, Yeah, I don't know. That's a fine
line. See, that was and that's that's what Frank Bush was saying, saying, Okay, so we're going to pay you, but that comes with some other things, right, like as we said, like getting fired, like maybe getting suspended without pay, right if you get a dui, you know, and then how does that work for an athlete who's you know, living on the edge with whatever money they're getting, you know, or or as you said, they get fired. If you get fired from your sport,
are you kicked out of school too? Right? You get to keep your scholarship, you know, all those things. So there's so it's again so many layers in there that I already figured it all out. I don't know, and I guess I think kJ should start and Boswell needs to go to the bench. Real simple. It might happen. Who knows. Every time I see the lineup for game, I'm like, oh, in the last day, the very last thing. I think Nico more than anybody. He could just say, hey, guys, we know his voice is the
most distinguishable to have anybody that calls. I think we can all agree on that exactly, all right, Howard, Hey, thanks much. Hey. Yeah, So I just got a text for one of my sponsors, one of the sponsors. Do you score? Thank you, Howard, thank you. So I got a text for one of the sponsers. Do you screen your calls? No, he doesn't, but he says, it's a good
show. It's a good show, so just don't cuss, Just don't cuss, exactly, all right, good show, good stuff, you know, Okay, Uh, if you're just catching on right now listening the last few minutes the podcast will be up. We did get Humberta Lopez in the third segment of the first hour. Very interesting conversation. Wish we would have had more time, you know, get didn't get him again, not if you're if you want, if you're gonna listen with expecting him to rehash, you
know, the things that were said about Jed Fish last week. That's that didn't happen because we just were not going there. But it was some really interesting stuff about you know, contracts. He said he's got he got the he's got a contract with t MAC. I don't know if he said with the other two guys as well, don't I think he really said that, But certainly with with with the Tetroy McMillan, the hand that he had and helped getting those guys to stay. Then just some of the other stuff that
a booster does. And then Frank Bush with a lot of the stuff going on as we released to nil. He was deposed for a lawsuit UH involving the Big the big UH powerful power five schools and and and paying athletes and all that kind of stuff. So some kind of deep stuff for us, Steve, beginning with your brain I'm a little smart. Yes, I'm gonna go have a drink. Yeah, my brain hurts. Your brain hurts. She's smart. There's a lot going on. We had an Alisia who's gonna
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