Poke back another episode of Ex podcast, all things competitive in the world of War ham 40000. My name is Eric with Wi my c were Robert. Hi. And we're here. We've got lots of news for First time in a long time, if you've you've been noticing the, lack of big news, well, of course, new releases because Sigma morris has had their day and sun out their new additional launch, but also, we may not know behind the scenes. As several content creators have
been on... Been on a bit of a I won't call it a hiatus eighties because I always indicates that they're not coming back down it's more of a s surrendering because, coming up, it about 3 weeks from now is the W, the original team tournament. And list locks were due just, later... Early this week. So for the last 4 weeks, all the teams across the world have been trying to figure out what does nexus for Mean for them, we develop list and submit
them. So now that the, list have and submitted to locked into place pods have been, signed. Some of the content creators are coming out of the wood work. It should be publicly announced as well as the list should come out tomorrow when So it's fight a Sunday night. So Monday morning they're supposed to come out. But I've been doing some research and some very interesting new ideas are coming out.
So, first of all, we said it's the original team tournament, Robert, you've had a lot more experience as a team captain than I have, house team different than singles play. Well, aside from what we've talked about many, many a time
of... You get your buddies together, it's hurting cats and travel is obnoxious a plan, it's very different when you have to think about the environment, because, obviously, when you think of how to design your list for a singles event, it is a I need to be able to do x thing and why thing kind of okay or I completely ignore the rest of the alphabet and I do 1 letter plan all the time. With teams though, you have the potential to maneuver your army into something very
off the beaten path. So for instance, if myself, Eric Ray Don, and a couple of other people were on a team, I could look at Eric and go, hey, I need you to skew your J giuseppe stuff into as many dark you can fit and as few true qualities as you have. There's something weird like that where it doesn't... It hits really hard, but it's not meant to score primary all of that readily until it tables the opponent kind of thing. Whereas I pull ray aside, and I say, hey.
You are gonna be our guy that we throw into a lot of really rough matchup ups. I need you to try and keep them close so that way, other games can be blow outs. And that kind of strategy, but it lets you explore what your army can actually do. And sometimes you can see really funny things like triple shadow swords or all big nights or 200 gretchen. Yeah. Because you have the agency to have semi
controlling over picking your matchup ups. So then it's kind what the captains get involved and being able to pick, you know, what matchup ups you want, and, of course, your opponent... Opposing team has that opportunity as well. And as well as, specifically in W, they have 3 terrain layouts, light, medium and a heavy. And that you can choose which table they you go on as well. So there's a little bit of planning that goes into that and it's very interesting to see
this year where that planning went? Because, for the first time in a very long time, the Meta is a lot more balanced than it you beads. Traditionally, they are 8 man team, so that means each codex could only be used once, so there are 8 separate armies. And for the first time, it's not just... We take these 3 or 4, which are the no brainer. So the strongest armies in the game.
And then maybe 1 or 2 factions specialists and then the 2 wildcard cards at the bottom that you just gotta hope we can get some points. There really... The top 8 is the difference between the top army and the fifth place army versus the a Place army has never been as close before. Yeah. It really comes down to how well the pilot of the army understands what their army is supposed to do?
I will admit I had 1 game where I did not bring Mc his grabbed tanks as much as I missed them, and I brought some extra custodian. The list felt like it did more things than with the Cl is, sure. The Cl can look at a tank funny and take it off the table. But at the same time, I'm now able to hide better. I can walk through more buildings. I'm not going to be shot at all the time because my tanks are impossible hide. So I would be a person
that's was like, hey. I want to fight on a heavy terrain table at W because I'm going to intentionally hop from building to building to building, and I'm not gonna get shot at and I'm gonna charge my phone on, like, turn to. Whereas, if Eric brought the 21 dark lance, I'd aim to try and have him end up on a light table. For that way, his opponent can't hide for him. And that's another idea that the people who don't do w kind of events? I... I was like this too. I'll admit it.
I didn't fully comprehend how heavy the terrain was for w. A light table to them is basically the same as an average Fl table. Yeah. Their mid tables are equivalent to what G w does, at least the, leviathan style, train, and then their heavy tables are extremely heavy. I mean, it's to the point where it's 1 reason why you don't see nights much in England prior to Prying because they couldn't move. They couldn't get through the board. To. Mh. So now because they can walk through buildings.
I'm pretty sure you'll see battle big nights more often than not, but they can walk across the table now and they can actually participate. Yeah. I mean just off National to get Battle stock just rolling ones. Yeah. My friend Mike back in Pennsylvania. Yeah. He'll find a way to roll enough ones to make it a a situation, but, you know, the hour player will probably,
not roll that many ones. So So, yeah, it's it's a fun time that you can have as a player where you get to experience a team event, and you just get to see how the... How not purely relying off of yourself to win the round is makes the game that much more enjoyable. I know the last sc that the mid table Mer had with The making saves crew. Oh, the making Saves screw freaking stomped us. Right. It was filed not by it any
close margin. But a lot of the games that I pair up ended up being, like, 15 05:13 7... 0, 13 7 is a big swing. But 15 05:14 sixes that kind of... They were able to hold their own for a little bit. And then something just flounder in we lost the momentum to keep it, like, an 11, 9 or a 12, 8 Yeah. It can happen. And so what Robert's referring to is The key is this winning isn't everything. It's...
There's also what's called differential. So basically, the more points you beat your opponent by the better it helps the team focus. For some odd reason, I somehow figured it out that W does... Why don't they just use straight hundred points and system, they condense into a 20 point system. So, basically, if you to absolutely crushed your opponent. You get a... You get 20 points your opponent gets 0. But if you only beat your opponent by
6 points. So it's... That's... You would get 11 points, your opponent would get 9 points. And then you have to score a minimum correct have a wrong, beat your opponent by 50 points. I believe it is in an 8 round, 18 tournament. To actually win the round. So you actually win by significant margin. So it's important. That's where it's important to. I may not win the game. But I wanna keep it close to help keep my... The rest of the team in
contention. And then there's other people, you... You're building a list, a hammer list that they call them a lot of times. Your job is you have to win 20 nothing every time. And then when that doesn't hit, you're in trouble. So... Yeah. Like, the acceptable wiggle room for an actual match that happened. I accidentally fed imperial nights 2 blood angels. Blood angels if they could have gone beyond 20, they could have because they won by almost 60 points difference.
So differential wise, it's a 20 0. No big deal. So in order to cancel that out. 1 of our tables would have to win 20 and 0. So that way, it's a it's a tied round. And then from there, it'd be pulling teeth to see who can score where and whatnot. Whereas if you're playing by yourself against a person, you have that stress of what if I can't do my second this
turn. I need to push them on primary, and you're trying to think of all these things Well, if you're the hammer of your team, then those are the kinds of thoughts that you need to focus on. If you're not the hammer, if you're the guy that's the I need to keep it close. Sure. You wanna score points, but you're not stressing out about used scoring points. You're stressing about preventing your opponent from scoring points. So the games are closer. So real quick, what's different this year for
W, there's several things. Last year was a big with a pulling back of the curtain, is that they ashley had streaming, and so you could actually watch the events. And it seem to very odd they you supposedly have the best players in the world playing a game that supposed to be kept secret. Was kinda weird. So, we're back to that, And the cons of that, they have expanded the way the format
works. It's very similar to the World cup of soccer, and let you I know a lot of our American friends may not be aware of. And this it that's that football thing, right. It's Europe. I'm like, yeah. So there are groups every team is put into a group of 4 and they are seated. So there's A123 and a 4 seats. So it was an expected winner of the pod. Everybody plays each other once in the pods.
So you're gonna get 3 games in. And then from there, they are then the top I believe it's 16 teams are then put into a knockout round, sort of a swiss pairing knockout round from moving forward to determine the champion. What makes this year unusual is honest over the years. It's kind of an old boys club. It's pretty much the European nations. They kinda tolerate the Americans to show up, and, you know, the Australian guys were kinda of fun, and so they kinda invited them to.
Well, now not only do you have a where in the world is Carmen San Diego, like, map to follow because there are countries like cyprus and Gibraltar are sending teams, but not 1, but 2 but 4 Asian countries are making their appearance into the W. And because they don't generally sc with the European countries, nobody any idea, what they'll bring to the table. And so it's been very interesting
where they... You know, we have an assumed ranking or where they are but we've talked about this on our our show here. The the Asian meta? How does it stack up against the European med, the American meta. That's gonna be very interesting to see if this is a dawning of a new... Basically, a whole new quarter of the world that no 1 ever talks about when comes to War hammer. And then yeah go ahead. Oh, I was gonna bring up the the classic joke of
everyone does... No 1 knows what happens down in Australia because Australia does things backwards. But that is how they play down there. So when they play here, and you see someone bring a hundred and 50 ga versus 13 Le russ tanks. That's Australia versus everyone else. That's how always kind of was. And then now that the Asian area of the world is now... It's coming into the 40 k scene very actively.
It's going to change up what kind of stuff comes to the table because Like you just said, Eric, we don't know what kind of stuff they're thinking about playing because they see us doing everything they might have a way to build something else around that. So I, I'm super excited to see it. Tagging out what you said there about Australia, defending champs. But, over half of the team from last, year is not returning. So this is a new look Australian team.
But to your point, they tend to be little off beat and very charismatic So I don't expect anything different from what we've seen in Australia in the past. Can they repeat. It's gonna be incredibly tight. I don't see why not. But the usual favorites it's Poland as well as Germany are are still the odds on favorite.
That said, it's interesting listening to the captains, speak on, both, contact lost and, stat podcast, the amount of preparation, every team that's been there before has increased their preparation, team Canada, for example, the end of the, like, tying, like, 3 rounds, and they said if we eat just won 1 of those rounds, we would have been in the knockout phase. So they're much more determined to do better this year.
Scotland as well as it's been saying, how much they're working, the Scandinavian countries missed out on a few of the preview tournament, so they are looking to big a big... Make a big swipe. The most hated country in W is England, and be very curious to see what they bring because that they're kind of fortunate that everybody lives within 3 hours of each other, so they get a lot of practices. Team. And I made the soccer reference earlier. What about team Usa, Well, team Usa unlike soccer.
And don't get me started by the way, there... If those you are soccer fans and watch Cop America. I Am just appalled by what team they did. 7 years ago. Team saying 40 k was pretty much Team usa in Soccer. I a excellent collection of individual players who never came together to form a team. Plea overhaul over the last few years.
Huge dividends last year. I'd be really curious to see how they do this year with their Not only are they new team approach, new, you know, set structure and how players make the list as opposed to a Captain's pick? But they also have this academy where players that are not quite ready for prime time are still getting reps and still getting practice against the big boys. This should be really interesting to see the next step forward and how they do this
year. And that's a little bit of the home or me rooting for the home team, but, Yeah. It's it's gonna be very exciting W, which is... Like I said, it used to be kind of an old boys club that made no sense. And now it is truly probably the bet... Beg is collection of the best 40 k players in the world coming together for 3 weeks. Mh. So segue from W being the original, a tried and true event has evolved from being a single purse... A singles game event to
teams, and that's soc cal. The other original from Fl g. Yeah. I was shocked about this. Well, if part of me like, you know, Fl g, I gave him a lot of credit they take risks. And this is a huge risk. They're taking 1 of their biggest tournaments And they front team tournaments before, and they flat out said they did not... They were not profitable. So they take 1 of their bigger singles events and turn it to a team event.
Is a big shocker, but I think it's speaks to the team format, growing a popularity, and the company that's willing to take big risks, Yeah. I think the reason why they're willing to take the risk on soc helping being a team event. Is when I went to the Las Vegas team's tournament for them back in 20 21, they were 5 band teams, and it was a simple best 3 out of 5. So if 3 of your games had clear decisive winners, you won the round. There was no differential scoring or anything. So
in order for you to tie. You would all have to tie kind of thing. And that event was fun, but it was it wasn't put together as firmly as some of the other other events were. Now because they're going to a tried and true area, of soc cal where they probably have more space. Okay. They making an 8 man event, people like 8 man events let's now make this 1 if not, the biggest team event in the world. I know there's some... There's a collection of players down. I think it's in
Brazil, I think. I know in South America that had the largest team event on record besides W for a long time. I I think it was Argentina. I'm not sure though, but I think you're right. So because III know the name of it was the the eye of horus event obviously translated from native language to English. But It was... I think the last time Heard about that event. I think they had, like, 600 individual players. And they were all 8 man teams. Wow. Something crazy like that. Yep. So...
So very exciting. Once see is that everything becomes available to public, we'll be throwing them up on our social media. So we're looking forward to, W and that the the new new look Soc cal open, I'm still shocked by this, and, you know, it's both a team event by the beach. So... Yep. If some of us can end up a afford to go. And or kid their c hosts. We might be able to actually go. Yeah. I look forward to. I I would Yeah. I was what 1 of the guys
for talking about. Was originally on my docket to go this year, and I'm, you know, just things kinda like gets in the way sometimes. But looking forward to, just squeezing it when I can, and, miss the the social aspect of things. But, That being said, I'd be really curious to see, you know, what other events think, you know, turn the switch and become a team event. It's... They said it's a very different organizing it. And, from a T standpoint, and as well as logistics standpoint.
I don't think I've actually azure your run a team events. No. I haven't. And so I don't even know how to set it up in Bc, but I know it's it's tricky. So we'll have to figure all that out. So... Yep. But for right now, we get to continue giving you reports on singles events because that's what we cover. Every week when we have the time. That's right. So where we
starting today. Well, we are gonna go ahead and start at the Lone star open that actually just finished up today and the top 5 rounded out to b of Robert Hawkins in fifth with Demons, Dominic, Gerber. I probably butcher that last name. In fourth place with El, san George with T Clifton Mer, Russell with Orcs. And first place is Derek App with cass brace bahrain, Mh. It I never would've have thought demons would be in the top 5, but Nice to see that chaos space marines back
on top. Interested to see that as well. Yep. And it's actually a detachment that I didn't expect to see because everyone likes playing the raiders detachment because, yay, Up downey super fast run the shoot army. This guy brought Cult Oh, lot of them. Just. Because I don't know if C can be increased beyond 10.
But he has 1234 at least 5 years of normal cult, some trader guards squads, cursed cult, and I can already tell you that nothing in this roster besides the rhino and maybe the characters is higher than tough 3 or 4. Yeah he's basically playing a regardless. That's where want. Alright. Oh, and you're gonna like American pros cipher. Oh, well, there we go. But, yes. It's That is the classic mentality of you can't kill all of us. We'll stand on all game if we have to Yeah. Wow.
Wow, wow. Wow. Okay. Kinda keeps on point to the Texas med there, so it's kinda neat. Yep. And an honorary mentioned to colin him Mc fairly coming in just outside of the top 5 with orcs. I'm sorry Was calling playing Works. Okay. That's interesting. Well, yeah. I've... You've seen him jump from, like, Harley quinn and stuff to all kinds of things. So at this point, I expect anyone to play anything. Yeah. A weird freaks its stay with an
army for a year or so. So I don't know what you're talking about. Alright. Where are we heading to next? Well, we are gonna go up to Canada to the Sas to the Scott Sas... Juan. It says Saskatchewan. Yeah. That word. Said perfectly earlier. I don't know why I
bush butchering. But yes, A Saskatchewan open And the top 5 carved out to be a byron living stone with Tyra ins in fifth place, a Casey s with demons and fourth, Adam Green in third place with Vote and, and then frazier Perry in second place with world heaters, and then Anthony Richardson and first place with Drew Kari. Yeah. We're gonna talk about that a little bit later in the show, but, last week I was like, oh, I went to an arctic Rt and
didn't didn't do so hot. Win loss wise, but it it was just a fact finding mission. And then another... I read the that same weekend, Your car went like, 74 percent win rate, And only go, Okay. I'm just an idiot, but true enough the let's said, we'll we'll dolphin them then a little later when we get the mid table obscure there's the haves and the have not when it comes to that faction. Yep. Honestly, I I know I say it every week with how the game is going so far, but I love seeing the variety of
armies in the top 5 right now. I'm not San And first place again is Nec again Nec acr, Neck El, Neck El, El. Yeah. And this sad part is, like, we were, you know, we're talking about... It's not like nec and Are bad. There's there's still major endeavors. So But as tenth edition has been out for a while now. Where get to come to the... G w tacoma open, their own event that happened over the weekend. And they actually have... Their placing done not in their weird bracket system.
In fifth place, we have Steve Trim with n and fourth places, Jayden I with space. The third place is chuck Ga with more Vote. Second place is Scott Ke. With sister's of battle. He probably went caught them all. That's right. And first place is Marshal Peterson, with orcs proving much. Yeah. Wait you switch the or. What's going on here? Well, looking at... So looking at his roster, he's doing War workhorse. So... That's the... I think that's the most common change.
From playing bully boys is they just hop over to War. Mh. But I... His list tal gives it away. What is better than 1 calorie? 2 kill rigs. I'll give you 3 guesses for what is better than 2 kill rigs. 3 killer rigs. Yes, Indeed, there are 3 kill rigs floating around into this roster group. I can tell you. I do not have an answer for 3 kill rigs. Okay. Yeah. That's... Oh, and by the way, there's also a battle wagon. Great. He. He has so much stuff in vehicles. Oh, by the way, there's also T.
Holy my crap. Is there... How much room does the have on this list? So that's crazy. Well, T is over 200 points. The Bandwagon is a hundred and 60 and each of the kill rigs is a hundred and 70 points. The thing got, like, probably 330 points left. And they're made up of storm boys, knobs, some mega knobs, lots of gretchen, some flash gets, an extra truck, and then some beast egg boys and boss nick rock. That's still. What? Oh my god. Okay. Yeah. I like that list that look... That list looks fun.
Yes. Congratulations to mister Peterson for taking to tacoma. For the wall. For the wall. Alright. This is it before we're gonna touch a little bit on, not only just the car menace, but just in general. So, it's time for mid table obscurity and those you if you are. New to the show. This is where we take a look at the meta, but I like boat shows that focus on the top performing armies at the top of the game. Most players are at the 3 and 2
and 2 and 3 levels. So we're gonna look at the most popular armies. That traditionally go x and 2 or x... Of 3 at Gt level events. And surprisingly, just as the top of the ladder has been, you know, very diversified. The mid table is also quite diversified. So your top 3 armies right now. Neck runs turn and casts space brains are your most common factions you'll see at the mid table.
But right... Those are all at 7 percent of the met up of right below it there's a little coa 6 percent with A da and then another big clump of tau empire or and custodian. Custodian back in the mix, they used to be 1 of the most popular armies in the table, and then the pre codecs, and now all of a sudden, they're back. So kinda neat. Space brains. Yeah. Good old vanilla used to always be prevalent in the table there. Just just below that ranking.
Drew, as well, sister's a battle, which is, you know, another top army people are lament about, and space walls. As well as blood angels all are down at the bottom, representing only 2 to 3 percent of the... Mid table meta. So you're either winning with those armies or you're just getting a collective of wooden spoons, I guess. There's there's no middle ground for these armies. As someone who has seen... Both blood angels and space wolves played into winning records. Blood angels is a
They are just a very efficient army. They they trade up really well, but they have the classic issue of, hey, we have to throw our guns at people. What happens if your guns don't make it there. Well they get broken and you don't have an army anymore. As for space, the the flavors that I've seen them is, like, either glad or the mounted 1 I forgot forget a wolf jail. Yeah. So their only problem... Is that their main hammer units of the Thunderbolt Cavalry in the mounted detachment
can't go through walls. So you can kind of foresee, where they're going to end up, given... They don't put them in, like, strategic reserves or something. The other thing too is their whole army durability is based off 4 up bulls. And they're just some days, you don't ever fail a floor up wall. In their days you dropped the first 6 saves. I know this all too well lyric eric. Yeah. So it's it's some of those you... It's... This this just the f of the 4 upstate. This makes it so hard. So...
But that stuff with 1 of those is you gotta play against it. It's not a whole lot of. List smashing you can do about it to be prepared for the idea of having all those models shoved into to your face and then solve this problem. So Yeah. It's the same mentality that I do with my custodian of, here's 15 warden. Can you push through all of them fast enough? No? Okay. Yeah. And the key is fast enough because it's like gap. Gonna just you pass through it, but I already have 30 points on primary.
Thank you. Mh. And this 1 unit has eaten 3 of your units. So yeah I'm currently on the positive. Yep up up. So pretty crazy stuff there. So And while we're here in mid table, I did count the number of dark lenses in this Str regardless, There are 13 of them. Lot higher than I expected. Because, you're seeing a lot more. Used to be, you know, sc with dark lance was auto include. Now you're seeing a a mix of... Dark lance and haywire a little bit more. So
well, I can tell you this. He does not have a single scourge in this list. Brilliant. And when you take raw? Yep. Check 3 ra each with all dark lenses? 3 units of Man, 2 units of Dubai, 2 Cro, oh 3 Kronos. A court of the Arc icon, 2 venom, 2 3 raiders. So at that point, I think I missed 1. And then a single unit of Ka light warriors. Mh Yeah. Because you're gonna split them and then put the court in 1 of them. That's gonna go in 1 the raiders neat. Okay.
And then Lilith her witches and then 3 icons. Right. Yeah, the other 2 icons go with the, in q eye. Okay. Yeah. I I like sc. Because they can move through walls and they can, you know, they can move 14 or, you know, think 14 might be 12 have to double check. And then scoot back 6 inches at at the end of the shooting phase. So you can go back and forth in the in between walls you can move them onto objectives as needed. It's pretty risky to do so because they're, T31
wound. I think they have a 5 up mall. But because both the haywire and the dark lands are are but used to be heavy weapons, they they hit on fours. You have to put pain power from paint tokens into don't to make them semi effective. And Yeah Yeah. So... I I think that's why he took the ra.
Because the the ra... I believe that you naturally just on threes, their vehicles, so they're a little bit tougher than a unit of surges are still made have of tissue paper, but it is a thing where they move the same kind of 10 to 14 inches somewhere in that range, and you can get some really funny angles. And Because they're on a flight stand, they only ever lose the 2 inches of movement just for pivoting. Right? Correct. Okay. So at that point, you're...
They're super long and pointy anyway. So you... Again, you can get a whole bunch of really crazy angles. Yeah. So, yeah, and you hit on... The other thing people's news on is they have kind of a built in pain token that if they're firing at a unit at starting strength. Re roll ones to hit. Yeah. So I kinda did a compromise in my new list. I thought the ra was still too big. And I wanted some flexibility for big targets and small targets.
So I replaced my excursions with 2 Void weaver with cannons, so I've got either 2 dark glance equivalents, shots plus the she cannons But then I also have the dispersed mode, so I have 2 6 shots with blast. So I can take out hordes or gel and stuff like that. That's... I know what the disagreements I actually played against a normal L our list that has some of those
har tanks. And they they are in nuisance because their shooting profile is just strong enough to always have me at my home and always scare my custodian and grab tanks and they're fast. So I can never catch them. Right. And then the other thing I like about them is as long as I hit... I don't have to kill anything as long as I hit a target. I forced that unit to take a battle shock.
And if you remember, if you fail the battles normally only, do you suffer the usual effects, but I gain a power from paint. That is definitely a J thing. Because, like I said, I play it against Yeah. Craft world. Yeah. So they didn't have that. Yeah. But, Yeah. I did that 1 practice game is an ari, and it's funny how even some of the T car things work better, so get go back to the sc itself complaining.
You know, you need a pain token so you can re roll all 4 shots, in the battle host, every unit gets a free re roll to hits, and I believe, re roll un roll to wound. Requesting second 1. So, okay, you've got 4 shots hitting up fours to hit, re roll 1, you can easily put that to 3 hits. That's pretty much what you get when you re roll all of them. And then... But you get the added bonus of re rolling a wound. So that makes it really effective. So it's
gorgeous get a lot better. Or or almost equivalent, I should say, in an an na host. But then things like my favorite reef jet bites there's usually not enough pain tokens it's left over to put it into a, like a 3 man, river bike. But because in an ari, they get to re roll 1 to... Your of course, you're always got re roll a failed heat lance. It's all in that heat lance has become so much more effective. Then it is in a standard car list. So
keep looking at my... An Aria list I go, Maybe, maybe it's a too late to change. So... Yeah. That is something that I've kind of accepted single shot weapons like dark lance and melt... And melts spears and all these other things that are really high damage, but they are the swing things in the world. Okay. If they hit they hit, they wound, they wound but I'm not gonna care. Yeah. No Angry agree with you there. And that's something is of a... If they go back, you know...
Making notes for eleventh edition or something like that, and they talk about, you know, the lower about certain armies are more reliable and others, you know, take a look at some of those weapons, still single shot weapons, And do you give them an extra shot? Or do you give them something like, stacking, you know, stained ones or lethal hits. So, like, the 1 chance I get the I only roll 1 guy to hit, but there's a good chance I'm gonna punch through for the 1 too. So...
Mh. Or you know, you're shooting your stuff into me Eric, I just go and for No, and no. And god dang it. I failed my fin safe. Get just trying to get through all that is is rough. So your just I was like, I'm like, I finally I got through. Take 3 wounds. Like kinda he's down to 4 like, what Oh, that actually happened to 1 of my... Opponents earlier this week where they were punching into a warden unit. They got to the blade champ. And I went, oh, by way, he's now down to 6. I did too damage to
him. Yeah. His enhancement gives him 2 extra wounds. He's oh, I did not know that 1. Yeah. It's ridiculous. I mean, he still got picked up by that unit of chosen the chaos, but I picked up that unit in return. So, yeah. Oh yeah. Let's go back to the blood angels with their fight on death. That's always a fun 1. 0, don't remind me. That that should not be allowed ever. I mean, part just like, should it be allowed or shouldn't be allowed. Parties like, there's enough variability that I like
it. I just... Probably just angry because the army's I play or fight on death on a 4 plus. So I'm literally half as effective as that is. Yeah. No. I'm... I am just being kind of salty because... None of the armies that I have do that besides orcs, and I don't have the right units to do that for orcs. So when I'm punching into things like blood angels or other armies that have fight on death stuff, fight on death is a perfectly fair thing because sometimes it's an if, some armies, it's not.
But in theory, if it's not a iffy ability, it's because the weapons that you're hitting with are usually below average, like, hitting on fours with no re roles of any kind, at least, I would hope so. Mh. Yeah. I don't know. I'm I'm still sense about that 1. So... And I also think that should have been, you know, go back to the simplified, not simple that the final death spinning. Universal rule. They should have given it to all of my custodian.
That would been interesting. But yeah, there's a couple of rules on noticing couple times on. This is coming up a lot. Why didn't they make this a universal rule. But it's because they wanted to decide whether or not to include a 4 up rule or not. How could do it? I mean, you know, fight a death 4 up, find enough. Just like feeling pain. You know, honestly if if you really want it, if you did feeling no pain on a 2 up, it's still probably
super potent. And this gives you that illusion that he might roll the 1 and he doesn't fight back. Mh. Yeah. That's it's not the worst feeling in the world, but it is definitely your waste... You're using up extra time of the game clock to role to see if a guy fights before anything else gets to fight because he
died. It's... That's the only... That's the major dance Sis of it because if you have a big brick of dudes and then 7 or 8 of them all get to fight, multiply that by however many attacks they get. Right. And maybe that's a way to fix it is that everybody fights on death automatically, but you have reduced attacks or something like that. This something. It would just be at that point, people would be like, oh, but I add extra tech That this is all hype hypothetical.
So I I do generally accept that this mail pure melee armies should have fight on death, but it shouldn't be attached to some units. Like, I don't know. I can ramble on about this and I'm not making any more sense. I'm just something about it. Yeah. I'm sure there's other people out there feel the same way about the What's the 1 in you're shooting me and the I shoot you back, mobility for free.
Oh, yeah. That 1 is actually kinda of funny because of the hypothetical infinite combat that Wolf from dread not and death companies dread not gonna have. So that was a interesting 1 there too. But yeah we'll see. You know, there's... But already been several changes already, so we'll see how the rest of that. Tenth edition plays out. Indeed, the Alright. Anything else to add this evening. Nope. Not out of me. I have a lot of stuff to continue moving tonight. And Put the house back in order for
me. Yep. I get back to work tomorrow. So get this podcast up and and running and get editing done. So that's pretty much are sure of this week. Any questions for us, you can help both on our Facebook page to or the ex, Instagram account, You could find some of our pictures there of our hobby works in progress as well as other notes that we see from G will probably see some you know what Hey. You know what we didn't see this week? We did not get AGW preview at Tacoma. I just realized that.
There was rumors that we were supposed to get a preview. And that was supposed to break the the drought of lack of 40 k contact. I think if they... It didn't happen this weekend, then it's gonna happen at Gen con, which is in a week. Fair enough. Could be there. And then of course we've got Nova first week of September after that. Yeah. But we'll see what happens. Maybe even there'll be, like, an oops we forgot to do this at the event. Yeah. I don't think so. But yeah, could be the
pre agents codecs finally coming out. I'm just curious. I just want the rest of the road map for the rest of the year. So... Mh. Alright. We'll, keep our eyes glued and see what else comes up. Again, you can find it on those social media. Networks to find out what's new in the world In the meantime. My name is Eric. I'm, Robert. And thank you for listening to the Donna podcast. Hey, listeners. This is Raymond with the Podcast here to talk to you about K cases.
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