Where are We with Cancel Culture?

fire with you. A mata. Okay, we'll bring the fire because you already know what's popping today's episode is really it's like one of those sensitive topics that nobody really wants to talk about. But like I know, y'all have heard the cancel culture. And the more time goes by, the more we hear, the more we see it on social media, the more um celebrities, artists, influencers, actors, politicians, everybody's getting canceled these days. Well, basically, how do you

feel about cancel culture? I feel like sometimes it just get it's uh in people's heads that you know, they got they gotta get into this pact mentality of of of having to gang up on everyone, right, I mean, yes, you do have those really bad people that have done really bad things that definitely should get canceled them out of. But sometimes, you know, even the little people who haven't done anything that bad should get a little break. What exactly is canceled culture, let me break down to you

real quick. So basically, it pretty much looks like canceling someone over you disliking what they did or disliking what they say. Yeah, it's like it's like basically canceling someone over something detriment or scandalous, right if they said something that you don't agree with. So basically you just like, you know, cut up all types of you know, public support or even internal support. You just make sure that

nobody supports them, likes them, everybody dismisses them. And and it usually comes when someone says something offensive or when someone and says something that can you know, be hurt hurtful to a certain community or certain you know, certain target of audience. I don't know, because a lot of times I also feel that even though that's what is defined someone as canceled culture, a lot of people get canceled over petty things. It could be the smallest little thing,

And I feel like I don't know. We're in the like a supersensitive uh error right now that you can't say anything, you can't do anything without somebody feeling offended. It's like, damn, you can't make everybody like you. You're not always going to agree with everybody else, like we have to disagree and disagree with each other. Doesn't mean that I need to be canceled just because I don't agree with you. It just means that we have different

perspectives on things. We just view things differently, and that should be okay to People should have the rights to voice their opinions without them feeling like, Damn, I can't say I can't say something because if not, they're gonna cancel me. And getting canceled could meet things like you can get fired from your job, your family can like look at you is a disgrace. Um, you can lose a relationship, you can lose partnerships, you know you can.

You can lose many opportunities in your life based off you giving your opinion. However, I do understand how giving your opinions sometimes can be offensive. You know, it depends how you say and what you say. But at the same time, I still feel like you should be able to speak your mind without feeling like you gotta be careful. You have to be like walking on eggshells. No, yeah, I agree, And you know what, I have an important question to ask you now. I'm out to see I'm

putting my producer hat on here while i'm with you. Um, I want to know. You're in the limelight. You are in in on television, You're doing shows, You're everywhere, and we're gonna talk a little bit later about one of your new shows that but right now, how are you How do you handle the things that are in you know that you want to say basically right, like, it's it's hard right because you're in You're in the public eye.

How do you deal with with all the negative civity that comes from social media sometimes that people write things because anyone can take anything you say, anything you're right back, or anything that you post and spin it into their own truth right and begin a cancel culture type of of of attack on you. How do you deal with that? Amda?

It's the hardest thing. No, that I haven't did. It's the hardest thing because I'm very transparent, honest, I'm very vocal, I'm very myself very come, okay, this is this is who I am, is exactly me, like take it or leave it, you know, um. And I want to be able to voice my opinion and just say exactly what's on my mind. But I do know that because this is still a business and I still live off, you know,

my audience, and I live off certain people. I never want to offend anyone, but at the same time, I want to speak my mind. I want to speak my truth. I want to say, Yo, this is exactly how I feel. And I can't always do that because I have to be being careful. They can this isn't that? Can they so fain that I know it feels like, oh my god,

she offended me with her words. Like for example, recently Gang Gang Gang UM an episode came out where I had a discussion talking about somewhat colorism on love and hip hop Miami, and a lot of people are like, oh, I can't believe. I'm not gonna get into the details, but I can't believe you said that. You know, black

women need their own self, their own safe space. And you know, a lot of people came for me, And that's one of the things about being an activist or one of the things about being vocal when it comes about when it comes to race or politics or things like that, that a lot of not everybody's gonna agree with me, and a lot of people can take it very personal. But one is still a TV show, so we still need to be clear on that, right. Um,

things that people don't see. We have like a crew of like twenty people in front of us, around us, under us while we're filming. Um, we filmed for hours and it gets edited into like four or three minutes five three minutes scenes. And the show is not just about me. It's about many people. So, like a lot of the things that I may have said before I said something that did get aired that may not come out. Um, and then that's fine, you know, because people are gonna

perceive me however they want. But I feel that I should have the rights to give my opinion. You know, I'm not gonna get into that specific topic because you already know they're trying to cancel me. But you know, I think like people need to stop being so sensitive. If you disagree with me, cool, It's okay. We're not

gonna agree with everything. You know, there's a lot of things that you may do with your life that I'm not cool with, And that doesn't mean that I'm going to cancel you, I'm gonna stop supporting you, I'm gonna stop messing with you. I'll just say I don't agree with you in that part, and then that's just what

it is. UM. I do understand, however, how some people can be very offensive with their words, how some people can't say things like out of proportion that it's like, damn, even I wouldn't have said that, because you do have to think about people's feelings or emotions. Are certain communities where people can make dumb comments that can affect certain communities. But I think that everything to me is more of a learning experience, Like if you say something dumb, okay,

let's all get together. Even though that a lot of people feel like, well I'm too grown or I'm not your teacher. I don't have to, but why can't it be a learning experience? Not everybody, not everybody is coming to nobody's perfect. People make mistakes. If you say something and then you're like, you know, damn, I messed up. I sucked up, right, you should have the rights to, you know, say your piece. You messed up and then

we're going to support and support you again. But a lot of people can still apologize, can write a biography about how bad they feel. There's people that have said comments that eventually have felt even suicidal just because of the pressure that they feel from society and the hate mail the soul. Especially now with social media, you know, bullies going in and their d m s and just wishing them death and all types of things based off

a couple of words of comment that they made. A lot of people are not bad people, They just told the wrong words to say in the wrong time. Do you feel do you feel at all that it's it's it's become a movement of people who feel there, uh, they have the right to say or do something because social media is an open platform the way it is,

I think it is. I think that a lot of people are real, big, real strong, real confident, cocky, real everything exactly right behind the little phones and the little messages. But in person you'll see them and they won't have that same energy. It's like bring that same energy. So it's like you have a lot of goods to um judge someone and I'm sure your life is trash. You know,

your life is. I'm sure it's nice and shitty, but you'll have all these um all these like judgments towards somebody's life and you don't even know what that person may be going through, um or whatever the case may be. It's so easy for people to be judgmental these days without giving someone a break or at least for example, on my new show that comes out now on Fused,

Don't Cancel Me. To me, it was more like, let me give let me give you all the platform where we can all have this discussion and I'm not going to judge you for it, whether it is in my case on the show we had like girls that we're doing only fans or I don't know, talking about colorism or talking about finance, you're talking about whatever. I don't want to judge you. Help me understand. Why do you

feel this way? Because if you feel this way, whether I agree or disagree, there's a whole bunch of people they feel the same way. So why you know, try to try to bring me into your world without me being close minded, without me being judgmental, Help me understand. And that's what I think it should be more of, like for those that may have a certain opinion. It's more of like, why do you feel this way? You know,

try to and and and let's share. Let's let's have an open conversation where without me having to get angry, disrespectful, know, or whatever, I have a conversation. I think that people don't want to don't want to talk at Everybody wants to be heard, but nobody wants to listen. I like that because this is twofold for me what I'm about to bring up to you. One. Sometimes I feel that

people are just a little too soft. Like I come from a different era, right, Like I come from an era where there was no chat boards or or you know, messaging apps or any social media. Right, we spoke face to face and and we diffused the problem or we just happened not to talk anymore. Right, So do you feel that perhaps people are just too soft now and they want to use the cancel culture mentality as an excuse, you know, to act out and be the way that

they are. I think that people want to feel very empowered these days. Everybody wants to be somebody. I'm not saying that you're not, but everybody can't be some So everybody wants to be somebody. Everybody wants to be empowered. Everybody wants to feel like, you know, um, I'm in control. I said this to this person, and and everybody wants to point fingers. Everybody is ready to throw that rock at someone. And it's like, your life isn't perfect. I'm

sure you've made many mistakes. I'm sure you've said a lot of things that you deserve to be canceled. It just happens to be nobody heard you, or that perhaps you're not a public figure, or perhaps because I feel like, imagine this if you when you have a breakup, for example, I'm just gonna give a random example, but when you have a breakup with someone and your hurt, and everybody's like, you know, your friends are like, you know, trying to

tell you, like damn, that's messed up or whatever. Imagine being in the public eye. Imagine having the whole world looking at you, the whole world judging you. Anything that you say, anything that you do, will be judged, and not only judged, but judge in a bad way, Like in a way that people automatically assume and feel that they have the rights to stick their fingers all up in your face and It's like, it can be very traumatizing.

It can be traumatizing for a lot of people. Not everybody has that tough skin that they could be like, well, you know, they canceled me. Life goes on and they'll get over it. There's a lot of people. There's by the way, there's a lot of artists that to me, have done things and have been canceled and then they have been uncancelled. But if they would have been a regular person, meaning a person that's not in the public eye, they would have never been off the canceled chair. I'm

gonna give you a perfect example. Don't canceled me for it. Battle. I'm just gonna give a brief, low example. And I love him and that's you know, he used to be my baby daddy in my mind for a real long time. Battle made up Chris Brown. When Chris Brown came and he beat the hell out of Rihanna, and everybody went through it. We all suffered with Rihanna, we all supported her, we all did we you know, we were there say no to violence, domestic abuse. That we all went through it.

His career year was trash for a while, not because of his talent, but based off what he did, and everybody canceled him. But because he's a public figure and he can sing, and he can dance and do the moonwalk and all these great things, and he apologized, well, then we automatically it's Chris Brown, all right. That's it done. He that's it. He's uncanceled. Now, if he would have been a regular person, he would have been in jail somewhere, or if people would still till this day be looking

at him in a negative light. So that's the only bad thing about cancel culture to me. People choose who they want to cancel and when they want to uncanceled them. And that's the if he part, Because if we're going to cancel you, let's all cancel you because what you did was wrong. And do people have the rights to make mistakes and come back from it, most definitely. But I just hate that people choose who they want to cancel when they want to cancel it, and and they

was good for one is good for all. And you know what's funny is um you just mentioned that, and the fact that people just choose who and why they want to cancel people. You know, that's that's that's just kind of crazy. Right, like they have the they're the judge, jury, and executioner all at the same time. Right, do you feel that perhaps when people go away for a while to maybe rehab their thoughts and what they've done wrong

and come back? Uh, do you feel that that is enough to uncanceled them to come back in all their glory like a phoenix right right from the ashes? Or should we just? Um? And and it also goes obviously depending on how bad it's And we're gonna get into that next with some examples of people who have been canceled and what they have been canceled for. But do you feel like it's okay for someone to go away for a while come back someone who has been canceled

for nothing too crazy? Right? We don't want to talk about abuse on a woman or anything like that. We want to talk about little things. Maybe they said something that and right, what do you feel? Umm? Well, I mean what's not too bad? Like who was not too bad? Okay, here's here's an example. Because everyone gets canceled now for their political views, right, um, And we'll get into this now then, I guess, right, So we have Goya foods, Right,

we know that during the pandemic um. Certain people called for Goya Foods boycott after the company company's chief executive officer praised Mr Trump at an event at the White House. That's crazy, right, or someone in the who has a political belief and owns a big company like Goya, uh

went under the cancel culture immediately. On the other side, the reason many Latinos were calling for a boycott was because Trump has a history of making disparaging remarks about Latinos, and you know, Latinos are the primary consumers of Goya products. Do you feel like that's something that people could just forgive and be like, all right, cool. You know, he's just a he follows Mr Trump, and that is that. We love to go your brand, We always will, Like,

how do you feel about that? Medea? There's a lot of things that there's a lot of things that I disagree right with Trump and this is not getting into politics. A lot of things that I disagree with Trump. There's a lot of things that I disagree with a lot of politicians. There's a lot of things I disagree with Biden. Now you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of things I disagree when it comes to politics. Because

there's a very sensitive topic. However, he has the rights to have his beliefs, he has the rights to support whoever he wants. It doesn't take away from the fact that we going your products is still good, you know personally, right. UM. I do understand how sometimes we see them like damn, you know, they're supporting this person or this um, you know, whatever,

they're supporting whoever the case may be. And we're over here giving our money to this company while this company is using that profit, that money to reinforce Like I get those parts, But it's the same thing that happened with Gucci. For a long time, Gucci, nobody wanted to wear Gucci because Gucci, you know, did some designs and they did the rope and they did this and we've heard comments like we've heard comments from other bigger brands. To my understanding, it made me wrong, but I think

it was a Tommy Hill figure. And we've heard so many comments from different places. And guess what people boycotted Gucci for, Like, you know, two weeks, have they stopped rocking it, have they stopped buying it? No? I feel the people's uh, short term memory, short term memory, they have short term memory, and you're like all mad like right now, and then like a week or two passes by and you don't even remember why you're mad. So this is that, This is how I know you're like,

you don't really take it to heart. You you you just want to be mad, and you also want to follow. Because we also live in a world for the followers. There's there are few leaders these days, a few people that are willing to say, you know what, I'm gonna take the pressure. I'm gonna take it boom. It is what it is that I'll take whatever happens, I'll be responsible for. I don't know. We want to follow. It's like, oh, you don't like this. I don't like them either. You

don't even know why, you don't know? Yeah, and you know what sucks. The politics thing is is always the number one thing. Any public company or any public ceo, any public person automatically aligned themselves with whomever right, left

or right. I feel like the public immediately like gets this like enraged look in their eye and they want to cancel somebody like if I'm out able to come out tomorrow morning and I'm not getting political, but where to say, hey, uh, you know I really like that one thing that Trump did for you know, for us, like the most this one time. I feel like, man, the world would go after you in the wrong way, and it's all because of their personal beliefs. It's nothing

that you have done wrong. Yeah, yeah, for share most definitely. UM. And then that's why it's a very sensitive place when artists, influencers, people in the public eye, UM, involve themselves with politicians. It's very sensitive because you can lose a big fan base for it. But at the same time and be like, Papa, Mama, let me do something. I get that part a thousand percent, and we have to keep our morals and all right, throwing everything together, but can you pay my bills? Can

you pay telephone bill? No? And don't say what do you think that they're standing there to this person they get for free? No, Mama, they're there because of the money. And don't say they pay really good. So what do a lot of these people or a lot of these artists do. They stuck it up and be like, look, most likely I don't support you. Deep down inside, I don't believe in n of the crap that you're saying. But you're putting a check in my bank account and

like this, I'm going to feed my family. The part that people don't see because people enjoy to just you know, point fingers. When it comes to politics, it's very sensitive. A lot of politicians a good things, but at the same time they can destroy by doing something else and it's like, damn, I supported you for this, but then you just messed up with that. So I don't know

how to feel. And that goes for both parties. But away from that, UM, there's been artists, celebrities that has spoken about the l g B t Q plus community and that that has been For example, the Baby was one of them. He recently went through something that was terrible. Now my question to you is do you believe that he should be canceled? Well, obviously he already has been canceled, but recently I also read that after he apologized and they educated him on the topic, now now they have

forgiven him and now he's no longer canceled. How do you feel about that? I I you know, and it's it's crazy right because I believe that people have the right to um be themselves, be who they are right and love themselves as as they are and what they think they are. So you know why he's gonna get

He's it's hard. It's hard because his thought on what that whole deal was, Um, it was something that he he just spewed it out without you know, getting educated on right, and then finally he went and got educated on it. And look where he's at now. Another person that has has dealt with that, and I'm glad you brought up like the whole like entertainment and and celebrity side of things is j k Rowling. She's the the

author of the Harry Potter series. She went into Twitter in supportive woman with history of making comments that seemed transphobic. This British researcher, who J. K Rowling was basically supporting, was fired from her job for tweeting, you know, a serious of statements about proposed changes to gender recognition. This this whole new act now where parents could the baby could be genderless. I don't know if he heard about this. Yes, they're doing it in the passports now too. Oh wow,

I didn't know that. Okay, yeah, or or or wait, oh here's a good one. Here's a good one that people are also somewhat getting canceled for on the low, and they haven't. I still haven't seen like a big celebrity has been super canceled for publicly like. But I've heard comments here and there. Here it goes another one. Pro life lifeous Now, that is a huge thing that's currently happening right now, and there's a lot of people

that are canceling other people for their opinion. Whether you agree or disagree me, No, you don't have to agree with that person. Well that's just me. Listen, I don't agree with what you said, and I sit, I'm gonna live my life and I'm gonna do what I think is right, and then that's it. But that's another thing that's currently happening right now. There's a lot of people getting canceled for voicing their opinion, whether it is pro choice or pro life. And that's another thing that I

believe shouldn't be even a conversation or an issue. You want to be pro life, I mean, live your life and if you want to have you know, a whole football field full of children, I'm in you should have the right to do that with your vagina if you have one, if you don't have one. This shouldn't even be a conversation that you should be having in the first place, to my understanding, because if it doesn't come

out of your body, it shouldn't come out of your mouth. However, for those that choose to be a pro choice, if you choose not to want to go through the process, not to want to have children, not to want to have to give birth to a ten pound baby through your vagina, if you choose not to want, you shouldn't have to do it. That's just my opinion. UM, I do understand that there should be, you know, certain limits.

I will agree with that. You know, if you are already like halfway into your pregnancy, like there's a whole human being already set up in here, maybe you know that's something that you know there should be perhaps something we need to figure out. Um, But even now, and and this is a topic that we'll discuss on another

episode because this is like a really important topic. But even now, talking about like, oh, well six weeks in, um, you know you can't talk about you know, you can't talk about Okay, I'm gonna have an abortion, it has to be less than six weekends. Well, how about this. I found out that I was pregnant eight months and some weeks in because I've always been I've still being pregnant. I have a whole six pack and I never even could tell. So it's for those it is like your

first time or whatever. You may not know or even if you got raped, or even if you got molested, or even if you did it with someone whatever the kids may be. Just to know that you don't even have that choice, that's kind of messed up. Um And and like in for example, in my country, that's illegal to have abortions in the first place. So then you see women just throwing the babies in a garbage bag

in the streets. You see them going to these underground doctors you see, and women are you know, getting infections and all types of things and they're dying. You see um children, little kids abandoned in the street asking for money because they don't even have any parents. They just threw them out to the streets and whoever you know has some sympathy will give them play the food. But it's like, if you really pay attention, you may be

solving a problem and studying another one. So for those that have been vocal about their opinions, whether like I said before, it's pro choice because you have the rights to choose to do whatever you want, or you choose life. You have the rights to fill this world full of beautiful babies and beautiful human beings. You shouldn't be canceled for voicing your opinion. Yeah, that's that's it. You know.

That's again, that's a borderline one. Like we just spoke about, right, there's there's uh, there's the extreme, right, there's the extreme of of things that people have done like uh, you know, for example, daytime television style and generous right. She was canceled after being accused of fostering a toxic workplace culture in her you know, in the show if you remember The Ellen Show, Um, it returned in September, but um, it's been officially now canceled. Uh it is, Yeah, Yeah,

that's it. Yeah. She mentioned she put out a tweet and anything on Instagram saying that, you know, she was going to cancel the show. And I think it's because it came down hard. You know, it came down hard on her and everyone else there. This cancel culture thing is real. It's real. And when it when it strikes down as hard as it did for her, and it

was something that listen. Um, eventually somebody's gonna speak, uh, months from now, a year from now, whenever, about what happened exactly behind that show, right, and then maybe the council community that gathered together to cancel that show, maybe yeah, maybe they maybe they'll seem like heroes for you know.

What's really trashy about that too, is like people are so ready to judge and so ready to point the fingers, and it's like, okay, so then are we going to forget all these years of hard work that she's done, all these years of good things that she's done for certain people in the comity, you know, all the work like even even um. You know, she's helped out children, she's helped out family, she's helped out single mothers, She's

done so many things. You know, you looked up to her for so long, you admired her for so long, you supported her for so long, And for this one moment, whether it is good or bad, whatever that she did, we're gonna completely cancel her and not even give her an opportunity like she could have been going through something. I think that people sometimes even forget that we're human beings, and even celebrities are the people that you look up to or the influences or whoever. Yes, you need to

be careful. Once you have a platform, once you have been blessed with the platform where people listen and pay attention, you do have to be careful. However, I'm being come okay, Like, damn, we could just go and cancel people like that? What about all the hard work that they've put through? Like, I don't know. I don't think it's fair. I think that people have the rights to make mistakes. You don't

know what this person may be going through. Yeah, you see them all happy and fun on TV all the time, but you could have been having a period, you could have lost a family member, you could have had a breakup, you could have diarrhea. You're gonna be going through anything, and people automatically is like, who cares? You know, we're gonna cancel you. It's over and it's ay, damn, give them a break. Let's figure this out. Is there any chance you can come back from that? Did you apologize that?

Are you going to therapy? Um? Did you seek help? Did did you just say it because you were upset that moment or did you say it out of ignorance because nobody taught you didn't know any better, Like, can we figure something out before we automatically completely cancel someone? Yeah, and there should be room for mistakes, but also accountability for what you're saying too. Yeah. And I think you and I are both on the same wavelength here. Um,

we're kind of like in the middle, right. We don't want to completely cancel somebody for having a bad day or for catching someone on the right at the wrong time. Right, But you know, we do have the extreme people like a, uh, you know, what's the name R Kelly. R Kelly definitely canceled gone forever. I don't I don't think, I don't you know for I mean, he's done some really nasty things, you know. Um, and I'm glad it all came to light.

But if you're talking about cancel culture coming together people who just want to cancel others, R Kelly is definitely one that we can all agree on, you know. Um, it was time for him to go. Listen, there's still some people that support him and don't cancel him. And it's like, even if you've seen the videos, um, let's

you see let me not even get into details. Well, even if you see the videos, even if you see proof, even if you see pictures, even if you see it and you know it, there's some people that like, no, he can't get cancel. It is not true. And then there's the rest of the world that's like, you need to get cancel. But cancel is not even the word for him, because cancel is too like you see, cancel is more for like comments or whatever what he did. Know you, you know, you need to be exactly where

you're at. With all due respect, I don't support that in any shape way of form. Nothing that had a child or nothing that harms a woman I will ever agree with. So no battle, Yeah, I don't think. I don't think he could ever come back from it. You know, if people were to get uncanceled him, and not only that, but let's just say, let's put a weird example. Let's just say that tomorrow they were to say it was

all a lie. We found proof they were trying to damage his image and just still his money and it's not true. Right. Unfortunately, in the in the times that we live because of cancel culture, even if proven not guilty, just the stigma, just the possibility, people will still continue to cancel, which is the crazy part because it's like there's a lot of people that have made mistake and then they've been proven and not guilty. It wasn't their fault.

It wasn't that even domestic abuse or whatever the case may be, or it could have been a lie, fraud, financial fraud, anything, And just because is the rumor was put out there, people will still cancel you and they won't uncancel you. And that's also messed up, you know. And I know we're winding out here on the show. But another extreme um cancel culture person that I remember, the earliest one that I could think of, was Matt Lauer. He was the host of the Today Show, uh you

know on on NBC. You know, they found out that he was, you know, like this completely different person behind the scenes. Um, you know a lot of sexual misconduct. I'm so sick of these men because it's just too many cases. Y'all don't know how to jerk it. No, I'm just trying to figure out do y'alln't even to send you all some lotion. Y'all don't know how to jerk it, like jerk it off until like y'all don't have to throw yourself at women, start touching women, start

doing all these things. Like y'all can't go to the old school days where people used to like get little pornos and just jerk it off and then that's it. Look at a picture, jerk it off. Whatever. Your whole life, your family, your career, your everything will go down the drain just because you're dangling. It's like, come on, now, y'all need to get it together. But um, people that do stuff like that, you don't just need to get canceled. You need to feel the pressure. You need to feel

the pressure in whatever way it comes. Um, yes, so they get karma. I believe in karma, but sometimes karmenies assistance. So now, but with that being said, I want to know, um, who do you believe should be canceled? Who shouldn't have been canceled? And I also want to know have you

ever been canceled for something that you said? Let me know at exactly a mada exactly a mata on Instagram and on Twitter, and don't forget to also go to my YouTube channel at a madla negra an n and or you could just put in exactly a made on YouTube and check out all of our episodes. But I want to know because I know that there's a lot of people out there that have been canceled and they felt like, damn, I didn't deserve to get canceled, or be like, well, you know what, I I deserved to

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