It was good t you already know as usual, this is exactly a matter of production of my Heart Radio as you as you already know again, I'm exactly myself, unfiltered, uncensored. But I said whatever I want, it is what it is, take it or lately. And that's why today I want to talk about I want to talk about something real media. I've never I've never said this publicly, and that's why I love my podcast because it gives me an opportunity to really put out now my secrets, because who the
hell said that this has to be a secret. It's just getting Nobody asked me, so I don't feel the need to say it better. How how important is it to really understand who you are as a person, To really accept who you are as a person, to really be vulnerable, to really expose yourself to the world, regardless of what people have to say about you too, To be open enough to tell your family who you are and how do you feel the most comfortable with um? And that's why I want to talk to a friend
of mine. Before I get there, I'm gonna tell you what back in I ain't gonna say how long ago, but back in along time ago, I, Um, I was experimenting with my sexuality. I was exploring. I was trying to understand who I was, what I liked. I think it's normal. I don't know. I think it's normal, UM to sometimes be curious, to sometimes want to know, to sometimes want to understand. Do I like my friend because I just like her and I think that she's pretty? Do I like my friend because I'm into her? Do
is there something wrong with me? What would my mom say? Um? What would my friends say? Do I need to go to therapy? Do? I? You start to question so many things. And for three years solid I used to only date women. I used to only date women. I never in the public because I felt embarrassed. I felt like, oh my god, what are the people gonna say? You know? And and I also heard, especially in the Latino community, how they spoke about other women they liked women. It was like
la this like that all the like. It was just looked like in such a bad like in a bad light. And I just felt like, damn, is there's something wrong with me? Is there? I just felt like it was my fault, like I'm doing something wrong without understanding that is part of life for you to be able to feel free and make your own choices. And who the hell says that there's a guide book, that there's a rule book on how to live your life or who to love. There isn't one. And I also remember when
I told my mom. Actually, my mom found out because I was dating this girl, which by the way, I only like studs. So I was dating this girl or whatever, and she came over to my house. My mom was at work, and when I heard my mom coming in, I was like, oh, ship, my mom's coming. No, no, no, you can't be here. My Mom's gonna kill me. And then, you know, for those that don't know, you know studs um she wore sports brawl boxers. You know, she had
a more male like energy. And my mom, of course was gonna know that you're not just a friend, Like what are you doing here? And I was like, go to my closet, go to my close. She ran into
the closet, she hid in side my shoes. But I see that for like four hours solid, waiting for my mom to go to the room or something so that she can leave, and all of a sudden, my mom goes, I mean, how you know they haven't seen it how my day went, and she just wanted to have a long as conversation in my room and heard my shoes jiggling when she opened the closet. I'm not gonna say her name, so she's not embarrassed or whatever. Not that she should care, okay, because first of all, you should
be proud that you used to me. But um, she was there. She was there and um, and we had to have that conversation and my mom my mom cried. She made me feel real guilty. She prayed. You know, she told all her friends the disappointment I was as her only child to now you know, like women and um, and it was a lot. It was a lot. Right. I personally decided to get say, oh, I don't know, I wanted to explore with something else, and I don't know.
I never went back to dating women, but it was so traumatizing for that moment, I felt like I was like the cursed child, like I did something so bad and someone that I'm really proud of the way that she has handled her life experience, um, her sexuality. She encourages other women that are that are you know, going through it, that don't know how to express it to their families that feel like they're are trapped, that they just can't be theirselves, that people are going to judge them,
that people are gonna look down upon them. Someone who has been there, done that, She's had her own experience. But I just love how comfortable she is in her body, how comfortable she is in her space, how she doesn't hide who she is, who she doesn't feel the need to pretend to be somebody that she's not. Um, she's an activist, she's a singer, she's a podcaster, she's a a musician. Oh yeah, she's everything. Oh by the way, and she's more don't care you, Um, that's my girl.
Emily Stefan was good. Okay. First of all, I am a fan of this incredible podcast. Okay two and oh my god, I love it. You know what I mean. We need places to listen that we feel like we have a home and a community. And the way that you speak, the way that you advocate for so many different people, it makes us feel less alone, and that's
what we need nowadays, you know what I mean? And number one, number two for me, I am a different kind of um LGBTQ advocate because I think, why do we need to come out as gay, right, Like if you want to come out, and if you want to do that for yourself, that's great, but you don't come out as straight. Like I want a world right where my children can say, you know what, maybe I'm gonna go on a date with a girl tonight. Maybe a might not like it. Maybe I'm going to go on
a date with a guy tonight because I'm interested. Better at the end of the day, you know, we don't have to feel like you said, like there's something wrong, like like there's something wrong with us for experimenting. I think as human beings, even as mammals. Right, we see there are animals who don't even practice who practice monogamy, like lobsters, you know, like, and there are animals who
practice different kinds of you know, sexual practices. But from the dawn of time, there has been homosexuality within every animal, every human being, you know. So my journey, my personal journey, is explore without feeling like you're being suffocated, without feeling like there's something wrong with you. Because for example, for me, I prefer women, but I have been with as many men as women. Honestly, and looking back, I can tell you my experience is different with men than with women.
You know, I can I can tell that I prefer some kind of experience. I have some you know whatever. But at the same time, I'm not repulsed by men. I'm the kind of individual that explores everything that humanity has to offer. So my whole thing is, I don't
like boxes. Lakajas, Sierrancosas. You know what I'm saying. We need to, in my opinion, live in a society and openness where we're not criticizing people, Like how come a man can't explore, you know, a fantasy and say, you know what, I didn't really like that, and I prefer women, and we don't have to shame him, you know what I mean? Like, listen, girl. Also, I've been with a lot of man you know, they like that booty they like that booty stuff. You know what I'm saying, Like,
you know how to be be a shame for that? You know, I know a lot of guys that be like, oh, I'm a man, this and that butter on the low when you'll be in your room, you'll be telling her to eat that booty hole and those say now that you'll be telling you to eat that booty hole, you'll be like, oh, just a little men. I've done it and I've been open about it. I I I have, you know, experimented. I pecked. I pecked before, and I was open about it on the show. I mean not
a lot of times. I did at one time, and it was very empowering. It was very empowering to feel like, now you're my bit and I got that ask. But but oh for you. For people don't know what pegging is, Pegging is when you put on a strap on. It was it was a moment I explored. I tried it. I'm Dora the Explore. I had to explore things. I had to try things. And I feel like it's so it's even harder for men to try to experiment things
without getting judged for it. Even women ourselves judge men when they want to explore what their sexual I don't know, when they want to explore with their body and they're like, it's not like they're going out there and trying it with the man, and if they choose to do it with the man, thumb being it is what it is their bodies. But I just feel like in society we can be so judgmental when it comes to people's sexuality.
No doyo no I doyo no I. If they want to go over there and explore and try something, let them be them. You worry about you. Now, I'll ask you this, When did you start feeling like an attraction? I know that me personally, I started seeing like and like a person. I don't know why, but I never like fems. I was never into girls that were like like me or whatever. I like more the masculine energy in certain girls. And I started when I was like
in middle school. When did you first seeing like even though you dated men um that you were like, well, she's kind of cute, Like I don't I wouldn't mind. I lost my virginity to a female and it was great. And then shortly after I was like, something must be wrong with me, like you said, like, oh what's wrong with me? Like I have to find the nearest male that I can try this with to see if I'm broken,
you know, or something like that. And my mom used to say something to me all the time, there are as many sexualities as there are human beings, and at first I didn't really understand that, but now I get it.
Because everybody has their own thing, their own spectrum of what turns them on, what they like, what they don't like, And I think that gender lies within that when it comes to sexuality, because like I said, I've had great experiences with males, but when I'm with females, it's a different experience, right for me, For me, I prefer it more because also, you know, like we also have to realize that a lot of people are watching porn, you know, for so many years, and porn is also kind of
an unrealistic you know, depiction of sex, you know what I mean, and kind of like what sex me, I talk about it? Yeah, no, So you know, like for me, you know, porn is great, it's healthy whatever, you know, Like that's what kind of for me, gets in the balance of what's the normal human development of sexuality And then what are we being fed that we think is sex which is coming with all this aggression, with all this kind of like, oh, why aren't straight women coming,
you know what I mean? Why why do we need to educate different groups on how to pleasure both kinds of people? That's why I think personally, like for me, um, you know, like we need gay pride because we've been suppressed for many years. But my point is that that's why we that's why we bubble up, because we feel like we need a voice. But also, for me, if you go too far and you create too many boxes,
then where's the equality? You know, like if we have lgb X, that that that that then the only people left are straight people. And I've had people say to me, you know, like piss on CIS, which means if you're CIS gendered, that you're identified with your generals, Like, you know, that's not okay. I think that we need to love
humanity and create spaces for everybody. That's why to your point, if a straight male is trying to experiment, he shouldn't be shamed because in the male gay is, if he's going anywhere other than the straight male you know kind of box, he's gonna get shamed for that. Why what the l women can make out with women and oh it's hot, it's hot, right, it's hot if you're a girl, but it's not hot if you're a guy. It's gay.
You know, like, what the hell you know? So I'll ask you this, like, for example, well, one, if you could have told the younger you because I don't know personally it was. I. I I was a little bit traumatized, a little bit. Um. I wouldn't even say when it came out the closet, because I don't feel like I came out the closet. I didn't she did, you know. My mom was the one who caught her. But I don't feel like I came out the closet. It's just
something that happened naturally, something that just you know, happened. Um. It was traumatizing, like I said before, because I never want to fail my mother. I never want to disappoint her, and I felt like I had done that by by not being with a man, by saying, you know, I find her hot, Like I like her, I like to cut it with her. I like to be with her. I like to she's funny, she's you know, sexually, because
that's another thing. And my mom was like, oh, you're always gonna do this's like, you know, smash each other. I'm like, no, there's there's a lot of other things you can do. You know. I sold her. I was so open with her. I sold her my strap on um, which was really mind But I just want to have a bonus one there just in case she came. But like I sold her all my things. I just wanted it. I wanted to sew her like, this is what it is, this is what I do, and there's nothing. I don't
think there's anything wrong with it. But you see how you see how organic I am with it that it doesn't make you feel uncomfortable. That's how I was with my mom. I wanted to not make it awkward, like you have the rights to choose what you want. I have the rights to choose what I want. Eventually, she wasn't upset because in her mind she was like, at least you're not gonna get preg it now. That was her mentality. She felt like, oh, you're going through a phase.
Later on, you'll get over it. But it was traumatizing for me. Was it traumatizing for you when you made it not public? But like when your mom or your family or like close people to you found out. Were you embarrassed? When you traumatize it, you feel scared? Were you're nervous? Um we're uncomfortable? Like how was that experience for you? So there was a red table talk which
you were on red table WHOA whoa? The first season, Uh, we had an episode about my coming out journey, and a lot of people don't know this, but when we have those red Table Talk episodes, we talked for hours and then it gets edited down, and a big part of my journey that was taken out was that my coming out was taken away from me. Uh in a very strange way. It's a very long story, it's very convoluted.
But by the time that I was ready, because, like you said, when you feel like society has imposed this is wrong, You're doing something wrong. I feel ashamed. You have to kind of build up the courage to tell your loved ones, hey I love this person. Hey I'm bringing this person around. It's not like quote unquote normal like, oh, you're dating a guy. They would almost be excited that you're bringing someone around. So by the time that I, um, I went to my mom and I told her, Hey,
you know, I gotta tell you something. This is going on. I'm in love with this girl, which, trust me, my fucking was in my throat, you know what I mean, like that cold feeling where you just want to freaking pass out. And she said, you don't think I already know that because somebody had double crossed me and sent a video to my mom months before on Snapchat of me slow dancing with Jem still my partner. Now, we weren't doing anything sexual, but we had specifically told somebody,
don't tell anybody or the first person to know. And the first person she sent the video too was my mom's camp. So by the time I was ready to tell her, she had had that video for a month. And the first reaction was, oh, you don't think I already knew that. I was like, was it bad or she was cool? No, she wasn't cool. She wasn't cool.
And that's what we talked about on the show because she had been manifesting these emotions for a month plus and I had been building up the courage to quote unquote come out, which I don't even believe in, you know what I mean, I don't really believe in coming out. And then my grandmother was still alive at the time. So then here comes this old Latin influx of the old people in the family. Can't handle it, you know
it your responsibility to keep it a secret. Well, when you tell somebody you love to keep a secret, what does that entail? You can't be yourself? You can't hold your partner's hand in public. You have to think twice when you're showing acts of affection. And I don't mean anything inappropriate, you know, I just mean normal affection. You know what I mean. And even now things are coming up that I didn't know. We're a problem because I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm just loving, and I was
receiving this problem. Now I understand which this is the Latino influx, the paradigm that we face here. I'm just trying to protect you, Okay, I get it. You're just trying to protect me. But I'm a human being living in a different time, and my idea of protection is being myself. If I can be myself, I feel safe. If you are limiting who I can be, I don't feel safe. And sometime times people don't realize that that can come directly from inside of your family, you know.
But it was not easy enough. Do you think that you would have told your mom earlier? Like, after all the experiences and everything you've been through, if you could have gone back in time, would you have told her earlier? Or would you have waited as long as you did? Mm hmmm, I think uh. In retrospect, nothing that I
would have done would have changed the outcome. Uh. I think that the older generation, especially of Latinos, are grandparents who grew up in other countries, oftentimes under religious regimes, uh, communist regimes, whatever it may be. They came from a different life, and to try to integrate those lives, it's not possible. I will say, I think that boundaries in the Latino community are virtually non existent. You know, I think that even with our mothers and our fathers, we
have difficulty drawing boundaries. And boundaries are really important, yes, you know, yes, because then well I have I everybody knows that I love my mom, My mom's my best friend, what or whatever, But it is so hard for me to put her boundaries in a way that she understands. I am an adult. I mean, yes, I came out of you. I get that part A mean thing very much because anytime, every time we argue, you make sure that that I know I get it. Great. Thank you
for bringing me. However, now I am an adult. I have my own voice, I have my own opinion, I have my own vision, I have my own feelings, I have my own likings, and we're not always going to agree doesn't mean that I love you less. Doesn't mean that I did certain things to hurt you, because that's the first thing that at least my mom will do, or a lot of Latino parents will do. What did I do to deserve this? I was the best parent I can be. It's not about you. Everything is not
about you. You know. It's like I have my own experience as my own things that I'm going through. So here's something else I'll say because and I know what I would say, because I, like I said, I went through it in a different way. You know, my experience only lasted three years, which three years is a pretty long time to me. Um three years with you know, different relationships. I don't regret it. I love the girls that I was with. I loved that I was able
to explore an experiment with my sexuality. I love that. I love that I lived because a lot of times people are curious and keep this in their minds and won't do it. I lived, I tried it, I did it. I'm not there at this place at this moment in life.
But now, if you could tell there's two things. One, if you could tell uh the Latino community or parents, parents that have kids that are going through the same the same experience that we went through at a certain moment, whether it is that we feel uncomfortable and we wanted to, you know, let our parents know this is our sexual preference, and I hope you don't get upset by it. What would you tell to these parents that don't know how to take this information, that don't know how to react,
or brothers and sisters or whatever. If you have a family member that right now you don't know how to process this information, or you have a suspicious that you know, you're little, they might be gay, they might have a different sexual preference, what would you say to them? You just said it, amazing, You just said sexual preference. Right. There are a lot of people who are born and they say, I don't even want to have sex with
the other sex. Balls repulsed me, footballs, I hate balls, right, And then there are people who are like, why can't I try preference? Right? It's called preference for a reason. You know what my you know what my loud, loud, loud call is to the youth. It is let your children explore just because you're with a girl doesn't mean you're gonna marry a girl, And if you are amazing, why does it matter to you? You need to be able to explore without feeling like you're a disease. Why
can't you try? Why can't you follow your intuition without feeling guilt? Guilt and fear are the enemy of love. And you know what love is? Unconditional love. True unconditional love is making a space for things that you don't understand. If you don't want to suck a dick, don't suck a dick, but make space for people to suck ad dick. Because guess what, it's not gonna bother you. If you don't want to watch it, you don't gonna watch it. If you don't gonna be around it, you don't gonna
be around it. Let people do their thing. Preference is preference. Some people like chicken. Some people like stay my dad. I love my fucking dad to death. You know his analogy on gay people. Some people like right some beings. Some people like I'm burned, no butter. We spoke a lot about your mom where we know that. We have a lot about machismo, right um, where there's a lot of a lot of that. You know, I'm the man and women are supposed to do this, and da da um.
I know a lot of men for some reason are more accepting of their daughters if they choose to say, well, I personally rather be with a girl. In comparison to it, their son tells them, I'd rather be with a guy. So I don't under you know, it's I understand it, but I feel like that. I think that people, especially in the Latino minorities, need to become more well educated and more open minded when it comes to their children.
When it comes to a family member overall wanted to choose to explore with their body, with their life, whatever it is that they want to do. I I feel that these conversations are so important because I feel like if this conversation hits at least one person, like it hit one person, then we did our job. We were successful in our message because I know we can't change the world, but we're trying to like get the message across.
These conversations need to continue happening because you're still right now, there is a twelve year old girl, a ten year old girl right now feeling some type of way, who's afraid, who's scared, who doesn't know what she's feeling in her body who doesn't know how to express it. The same thing happens with a little boy, and these conversations are in Parents are important. Parents. If you're out there, stop being so damn judgmental. Let your kids explore with the bodies.
Let your kids decide and tell you who they want to be. Stop trying just because you gave birth to them, just because you are raising them doesn't mean that they belong to you. They belong to the world. Just love them, give them love, appreciate them, hear them out. You know how many kids commit suicide because they don't know how
to express themselves are because they feel trapped. Because they feel trapped, the person who's supposed to protect them and make them feel safe and make them feel is the first one judging them and putting fingers at them and
making them just like UM. I also heard that there's these places come say, I'm all these places that a lot of parents send their kids to where they're like um or like um, like yeah, they try to pray the gay away and they try to um these certain camps that they do all types of craziness just because you disagree, you don't understand with their you know, with their sexual preferences and their choices. When you have children,
which I'm sure eventually maybe, I don't know. Maybe. Um. First of all, you're you have been in a long, long term relationship, which I'm so happy and I love her. By the way, shout out to my girl. Um. Eventually, when you when you have children, if you guys aside to do you think because there's a lot of ignorance behind that too. And I say that because there's certain people that want to adopt children, the society doesn't agree
that they should because of their sexual preference. Do you think that your sexual preference will be an issue for your children? How would you raise them? How will you make them understand? I'm gonna be honest with you. Uh. We have a lot of you know, straight friends. I don't know why I put that in quotes. Straight friends have children. We have a lot of straight friends who have children, who have toddlers. We love having babies over the house. And that's the funny thing. I'm adam. I'm
gonna tell you. We don't talk about the fact that we're gay. We don't talk about the fact that we're two women. We wake up and we exercise our values as human beings. There are so many people on this earth. Fuck your sexuality. How about being a fucking good person, how about making good choices? How about not putting a screen and some of your child for twenty three hours
of the day. We have people around us who have babies, and the babies come over and we will make it a point to say, I didn't have a phone until I was seventeen. You know what my idea was playing was going outside, going in the pool, playing with legos. We are being poisoned by being young and exposed to dangerous things. We need to go back to what life really is. That's my real consensus, honestly, and honestly, I think that sexuality is the same way. We don't have
to over complicate it. Human beings from the dawn of time, from the Roman and Greek ages, have been loving one another, regardless of the gender. Children need mothers and fathers or mothers no matter what. Like I know people in my family who are even against adoption because it's a difficult thing to deal with. But I think for me and maybe it's I have to acknowledge my privilege. I've grown up in a world where if I want to adopt a puppy. It's easier for me than other people. But
at the same time, I gotta be honest. My father, God bless that man. He was homeless for four years. He slept under a truck. And we will be on the beach and like you know, the boogie boards, like those things that you like. It's like you go on the We'll be out in the water and he'll see a dragon fly or an ant out on the water and he'll save it, like he'll put it on the board and he'll take it out to shore to save it. Like his compassion is infectious. So I bless my privilege
and I honor it. But it's taught me a different perspective on life, which is if you can help help And like, you know, I've had people who have gotten pregnant accidentally and have been like, oh shit, you know what I mean. And I'm like, for me, when I want to have a child, whichever way I want to do that, it's going to be a challenge. You know, it's gonna be a decision, it's gonna be a process, which is fine. I honor that process. But having a child is a privilege, Like we are this earth is
all we have. Like, you know, everybody makes fun of me. I literally have alien tattooed right here on my arm because everybody is obsessed with leaving the planet, and I'm like, we need to protect this planet and we need to get the best that we can, and every day it gets worse and worse. So if I can help a baby live and be better, you know, that's just my prerogative.
But again I have to acknowledge my privileged standpoint, you know, like if you're out in the world and you're gay and you don't have money and you don't have means, I don't even I can't even imagine trying to have a baby that would be I would be wrecked. Everybody is making it like a chance of getting Petro and do this and do that, and you know, all these are the things and and a lot of times they feel like where we're the adoption word is somewhat fading away.
Like there's so many beautiful children out there that need a home, they need parents and need all those things, and there's a lot of people that have the possibilities and don't really appreciate it. And it's true what you said, you know, it's a privilege, it really is. And coming from a woman that's pregnant of two at this moment um, I definitely wasn't prepared for it. I wasn't expecting you. I wasn't prepared for it. I wasn't looking for it.
Said that this was the right time. I am pregnantive too, I am blessed and see them and the okay, like you said, ass and nah, I mean, I know that there's a lot of great parents out there looking for that opportunity, and I just wanted to put it out there. But if you had any last words for parents, for kids out there, for the world overall about acceptance of accepting who you are, accepting your reality, accepting your surrounding, accepting life, your truth, what would you say? Mm hmm.
You know what. I know that it's ironic and it's like, if you don't learn to love yourself, how the hell are you gonna love somebody else. I know that it's ironic and it's crazy if you are dependent on anything to get through your day, whether it's another person, substance, uh, social media. You know, we need to learn to face ourselves, and a lot of times that is the hardest thing. I'll tell you to myself, your ugliest habits, your disgusting traits,
your lies. You know, you know what you're doing as a human being. But the hardest thing to do is face yourself. So what I would say is be honest with yourself, learned to be at peace. Gondego. You know, because like you said, you know, like you're growing two beautiful babies in your womb right now. You are everything they need. And God bless you, you know for having your mother who loves and supports you. And you guys
are a team and that's a beautiful thing. But there are so many people in the world who don't have family, who don't have anywhere to lean. And I know that it sounds crazy, but we need to learn to love ourselves, and it's the hardest thing to do in this world. I'm still on that journey. I'm still on that journey. I have late days where I don't even want to get out of bed, where I feel poisonous. But getting closer to yourself is the hardest thing. So that's my
last thing. And you know I love you. I love you too. By the way, where can they follow you and check out your music and check out how late you are and oh the red table talk. I'm being that Triangle porn slash only fans. No, just kidding, Okay, step you can follow me on hashtag I am a super fan of Stog. I'm out at will change the world, I'm stog, I'm out as that bitch hashtag I'm out as the Golden Bitch. Yes, yes, like Ellina, thank you so much. But I feel that this conversation is so important.
I feel by the way today you found out some some stuff about me, just in case you didn't know. I just wanted to be open and I want to be honest. And I think that exactly Amata is that space where I don't want to judge you. This is not a space for me to judge anybody. I just want to hear your point your point of view. I want to know your perspective in life. I want to know you know what your future looks like, and find a space where you don't feel like you know I'm
here to tell you what's right or what's wrong. No, that's not what exactly Amata is. AMNA is a safe space, um and it's also a space for us to get educated and share this information with other people. That's why I want you to make sure to rate us. Make sure to rate us and give us five stars, and make sure to share this podcast with anybody that you know.
If you know anybody that's going through a situation similar or that might need to hear this, please make sure that they hear this podcast because we did this with so much love, with so much respect. Oh yeah, I was just gonna tell you something that you didn't know. It was a little bit of a secret, but you know, I'm gonna drop that t right now real quick. That day that we did the Red Table Talk episode, yeah, I have a little bit of tea. Yeah, tiny bit of tea. That day that we did the Red Table
Talk episode. Um, you know, my grandma passed away before I got to tell her about my sexuality and everything. That was like a whole thing regarding my coming out.
And ever since she's passed away, I've had certain moments of validation that I feel like I've been like sent from angels, And even in that moment, I feel bad because I'm like, damn, this should be going to the person, but I'm receiving it, and your mom pulled me aside that day and she was like, Mommy, mommy, mommy, Yo, say okay yo, you know I want to know ya ya you think like she validated you know? And I
was like, whoa. We're living in a world now where older generations are learning and growing and they're willing to do so for us and for your mom, who I had just met that day, to validate something that you know, my grandma passed before she could do, Like, that's something
that I will never forget. So I wanted to just tell you that and extend my love to her because you know, it might have been tough for you, and I know that that's difficult, but I think that she's growing and involving because she really validated me that day. So I'm just telling you killen that know, I mean, thank you so much. My mom is such a great person. But being let me tell you something, the only reason why the older generation is be more open minded is
because of people like you and me. It's because of people like us that we're willing to um educate them and we're willing to show them that this is love. We don't mean to harm anyone, We're not doing anything wrong. We just want to be accepted for who we are, and if who we are is not the perfect version of what you visioned for us, that's okay too. So it took me a long time to get her to where she she's at now, but now she's more open minded and more understanding, and she'll ask me things like
I'm gonna, okay, getta see there? So what is that? And I like her asking questions. I want you to ask. I don't want you to be ignorant and sit there and judge because you don't understand it. So I think that that's important. And you know what, if you have any questions and you don't understand, feel free to slide up in Emily's d M and ask her whatever questions. But you're gonna exactly yes DM her. But you canna also go to exactly a model on all social media platforms.
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