Thou Shalt Be Generous

out that word luxury altogether. You are being conned. It doesn't matter if you're wealthy or not alone or with your personal people. You can have an amazing adventure anywhere. All you need is an open mind. Don't think about what I'm telling you, just feel it. It's not a head knowledge, it's all heart knowledge. Come with me and I'll show you every where. Every week you will hear me mention my travel commandments. As much as commandments sound

religious in this context, they absolutely are not. However, they slightly tied to a little bit of ethics and a little bit of that thing we could call moral imperative. If you will, So take these with a pinch of salt and throw them over your suitcase or whatever. What they really are is just a sort of guideline that hopefully will enrich your travel life as it has mine. You'll also notice that my commandments are not in the negative, but rather in the positive. Thou shalt so go forth

and shalt away and see what happens this week. Perhaps thou shalt be generous? Why do we talk about generosity? Isn't being generous something you quietly practice in the world. But alas humans are more complicated than that, perhaps in every performance of generosity there's a little selfish and self serving nodule, and we're just too uneasy to admit it. Don't see me, but see me as I bestow you with my humble generosity. In our very humanity, we tend

to be ingredients of both self serving and generous. So stay with me here. My philosophy is that sometimes talking about benevolence that happens whilst on the road does absolutely inspire others to offer up a little extra of whatever it may be, kindness or dollars. So it's with the sentiment that I share some of the bigheartedness that I've experienced. For instance, in Lao, there's a tradition called arms or alms giving, which involves giving to others as an act

of virtue. It's either material or it's in the sense of providing capabilities like free education. Law is the unexplored sister of the tread Cambodia, Vietnam and Lao. She holds these deep secrets and traditions that whisper only to her visitors. When you walk the dusty streets of a sweet town like Lung Probang, which is a UNESCO Heritage Site, you might hear locals talking quietly about the Lao New Year

dubbed Songkrun. This yearly festival in April marks the start of the monsoon season, and compared to any of the neighboring countries, maintains this authentic tradition. Subtle festivities rise there with the sun, and in Lng Probang, you wake up early in the morning with the gentle sound of a

gong five am. The sun hasn't risen, and you sort of scatter out onto the side of the street and have a seat just on the sidewalk, and they usit with a little ball filled with rice, and as the sun starts to come up, this incredible thing happens where hundreds and hundreds of monks start to walk, all dressed in saffron robes, all over the town. As these monks passed me in total silence, I offer each a handful of rice. With my other hand, I touched my heart.

Each shaved headed monk with swelled robes, carrying their own golden ball, stops for his libation. And in the eyes of the monk I see myself. We become these mirrors of each other, showing each other our humanity, our kindness, and our generosity. I believe you can only see in others what you have in yourself. So when you see hatred or anger, or maybe even joy, it's because you recognize it within yourself. Here, the monk and I mirror

our most special essence, generosity. I offer simple rice, and he offers me this wisdom and this moment to see myself clearly. It's here and now, a country untainted and filled with nature, where these quiet commemorations aren't offer to you. Every day, A slow pace of understated life murmurs and keeps you in the present time, exactly where you belong.

Let's take a break to hear from our sponsors, and we'll be right back with more travel from everywhere trade tables up, you're returning to everywhere land m and acts of generosity aren't always where you expect them. For instance, in Egypt, the main attraction is probably the Pyramids, but I was here for the new Cairo Museum's soft opening hard hat tour. I rocked up at the museum, but

my fancy tour was canceled. I didn't worry too much because I had seen the Pyramids, and Cairo has over twenty million people, so surely there was an adventure to be had. I was strolling around and found the city's famed citadel that looks across this ancient metropolis, and I saw the speck of stray puppies. I decided to go to a vendor. I knew they served chicken, as they had these badly photoshopped food items on massive posters outside

the door. I peeked my head in English. France says English would do, and I said to the man who works there, good sir, if I give you a hundred dollars, how much food would that be? The gentleman's eyes enlarged, and he chatted to his kitchen crew and came back to me a lot, he said, I said great. About forty five minutes later, I was standing next to this towering mosque holding boxes and boxes of food. No, I wasn't then hungry. This was for my pack of stray dogs.

It was hard for me to open all these styre foam and cardboard boxes fast enough as the puppies descended on me. A few dozen of them stormed this feast. And then there was a group of students that were studying under the trees, and they came to assist. And the dogs were like playing and mistaking our fingers for chicken breasts. And suddenly the students and I had this thing in common. We had broken through awkwardness and cultural difference, and suddenly I had stopped being the other, and so

had they. We exchanged names, and we played with the puppies, and eventually we were pup feeders and friends. So all these beautiful stories came out of this experience. And I was just feeding these crazy dogs. And I have a photo of one of the dogs. She had eight puppies.

They had all eaten, and the puppies went out playing, and she ran up to me, and she stepped with one paul onto my knee and looked at me in a moment of absolute gratitude, her eyes letting me in behind hers, and time stood still, and we stayed in this trance for a long time, just being to being fully connected. And she gone off my knee and went on with her day and took her puppies. And this is the same look I have with Ella, my dog, who's in studio with me and having a little snow

as we speak. She looks at me behind my eyes. She sees what I wish I could see in myself, and I look at her beyond into being a matter and atom. When you asked me what's the best thing I did in Egypt, it was feeding the stray dogs, not going to the pyramids. So of course all I wanted was to either take all these dogs home with me or come and feed them every day. But luckily a security guard came over to tell me that the

taxi drivers shared their sandwiches with these dogs. See kindness begets kindness anyway, Soon enough, these new friends of mine invited me to that Nanna's house. I heard the word Nanna and was confused your Italian Egyptians who knew. So now we're at dinner with my new friends in their home and I discus of it that their grandpa runs the original Parker Penn franchise in Cairo, and in his spare time still works for Egypt Air as a sort of happy maker. If only all airlines could employ such

a person. So I visited him the next day in a dusty old storm downtown Cairo, and he showed me this incredible collection of Parker pens that he's amassed over decades. He's taken over this little shop of curiosity from his father and now sells stationary. One of the pens had Marilyn Monroe's signature on it, and another was actual solid gold. So of course he and I became fast friends and

swapped travel stories. He would tell me about London, which was his big destination when he worked for Egypt there, and how he had no money and had to go and find a place to stay on almost zero budget. He would hunt out other Egyptians around Victoria's Station and find a bed and home cooked food for five pounds.

This made me think about travel, that it wasn't just about me well, this is how I felt when I noticed the sour couple fighting with everyone at the boarding gate in Palm Springs for a six am flight recently. First off, they were yelling at the gate agent we get on the plane. In the overhead space, they took out other people's bags and threw them on the floor. They fought with their seat mates. They fought with everyone, and then they decide, before we'd even taken off, we'd

like to have drinks. Snap. Never mind that the flight attendant was doing the security briefing. Just with the top of the buck up, we're in the sky. They had fought with their seat mates and then someone about overhead space, just being miserable with every one. So when I saw them ordering sandwiches and wraps and drinks, I'm not making this up. At seven am flying Palm Springs to Florida, I called the flight attendant. I gave her my credit card and I said, I'm going to pay for that.

She looked at me like, are you crazy? And I decided, no kindness begets kindness. Perhaps tonight, when they get onto the cruise ship that they bound to be on from Fort Lauderdale, maybe, just maybe they'll think about their entitlement in their manners and think maybe I don't have to get onto the cruise first. Some call me a believer. When I was a rebellious teenager, I decided to run

away from home. I knew my parents would go to a fancy travel agent office and book their travel, So that's exactly where I went one day after school and I booked a flight to Cape Town. The travel agent had known me my entire life and she was used booking travel for me, so she didn't even question this devious transaction. She handed me a plastic folder with plane tickets and hotel bookings whilst smiling, and off I went.

You can imagine what a smart idea this was. Right, I was traveling solo, didn't care, and I was going to find myself some freedom somehow. The world traveling rules for a minor weren't that strict at this point, because

I doubt you could do this today. My parents were fast asleep, and I quietly packed a small spots bag with my favorite T shirts, some cool sunglasses because I was an idiot, and my huge white brick iPod loaded with Atlantis Morrissett's jagged Little pill platform sneakers, of course, and this wad of cash that I had amassed. I remember kissing the dogs goodbye and walking down the driveway thinking I was ready for any adventure. I thought that

I was a grown up. Of course, mother figured it out shortly and was on a plane to come and fetch me. But before that happened, I did have a few days of thrills. What do you do as a teenager cruising around Cape Town. Well, you lie on the beach, you lie about your age, and you order cocktails, and then you go party all night at the nightclubs because luckily you look roughly eighteen. The feeling of being untethered

stuck with me. I felt like there were no plans, no rules, and I could just sip on this world I now commandeered. But when I think back to this trip, the things that I now remember are the small acts of generosity people showed me. Next to me on the escape aeroplane was a woman with eyes that I can still recall right now. She looked at me and said, I'm not sure what you've doing, but whatever it is, remember to split your cash up and hide it all over you, your shoe, the bottom of your bag, and

just leave a little in your wallet. I was all kinds of silliness, probably flashing it around accidentally or something. There was this night I was cruising around Longstreet, which is the main drag in Cape Town where all the bars and clubs are. It's notorious for fun and a little trouble. I was just mulling around when someone pulled a knife out, and I was such the fool that I didn't quite know what to do. They wanted my bag, of course, and my giant yellow Nokia cell phone that

had snakey as its main attraction. And I was probably holding this in my hand for everyone to see. The situation was harry and I was about to make a run for it. And let's face it, I am a long distance runner, not a sprinter. Out of a busy bar fell these three big burly rugby players. They saw what was happening and chased my assailant away. Chivalry for a young gay teenager, Oh boy, generosity comes in so many forms. In another vein, think about a fabulous weekend.

You planned with your closest friends to say New Orleans. You flew first class on American Airlines, ching you booked into the poncha train Ching. You found at James Beard Nominee's restaurant to dine at Ching, and you had a single malt all over town Ching, Ching. It's a treat. But as my dearest friends let's just call them little parents taught me, when you're spending on yourself, you could

also spend on others. What a way to travel, sharing your freedoms with people who need it more than you think of a small act of generosity, something that takes very little to execute, so little you can just do it yourself. It doesn't have to be money. Share what you have with others and just see how that feels. This is a great moment for us to travel to advertising Land and we'll be right back with everywhere. Welcome

once again to Everywhere. Let's hop back to it. Every week, I hang out in studio with my dearest friend Holly Fry, co host of the ever popular history podcast Stuff You Missed in History Class, And speaking of generosity, I have my most generous friend Holly Fry with me. I don't know that that's accurate, but I love that you talked a bit in this particular episode about your travels in Egypt, because Egypt of course, has a fascinating history all its own.

What is most known for is the museum Star Wars museum. I wish um, I don't really wish. I mean Star Wars museums are great, but I don't want to take away from the majesty of the Egyptian Museum. Sometimes you'll see it called the Museum of Egyptian Antiquities or other things, and it is one of the most famous museums in the world, I would say, But to me, what's really interesting about it is it was not founded by a

native Egyptian but by a French person. Uh. And in some ways it becomes about the story of kind of the scramble for Africa and all of those European nations trying to move into Egypt and Egypt and the rest of Africa and just grab land and assets and get as much as they could and kind of squeeze that part of the world. And you understand intimately, so it's

really interesting. This man was named Auguste Marriette, and he originally worked for the Louver and on his first trip to Egypt, where he was I think supposed to be getting scrolls, he ended up doing a four year dig basically an archaeological dig, and he found a number of really important discoveries and then he promptly shipped them away to par and then he returned to the Louver and

became curator of their Egyptian collection. But he really felt this tug back to North Africa and to Egypt in particular, and so in eighteen fifty eight he moved to Egypt permanently and actually they created a job for him the Egyptian government as conservator of monuments. And at this point he shifted his efforts once he lived in Egypt to protect the fines of ancient Egypt and keep them there.

So he through his efforts and his work in the government, he eliminated excavations that were not authorized, Like he really started the crackdown of like people can't just come and dig wherever they want, Like you have to have permits, you have to get the permission of the government, blah blah blah. And he also put in motion some legislation that made it much more difficult to export antiquities under the idea that it would preserve Egyptian culture and their

heritage there for the nation. I see where you're going with this, generosity. I see there's a moment of generosity coming.

It is, but in this case you have to grain of salt it a little bit because part of what happened is a consequence of this, which I do not think was an accident, was that then he kind of had the monopoly on all of the digs in Egypt because he was the one that was working for the government, and thus all of his efforts got all of their permits lickety split, no problems, and then they could kind

of keep other people at bay. So he was protecting Egyptian heritage, which is inherently a really lovely idea, but he also was cementing his place as the guy that discovered everything, didn't I tell at the beginning of my episode that generosity is exactly like this it is, which is why I thought it was an interesting parallel. Speaking of generosity, I have a good Egyptian story for you.

Do you know that in the sixties, the Egyptian government gave as a beautiful gift to the Kennedy administration a full temple and JFK was sick at the time, which no one knew, and he was like, oh, I can kudu Egypt right now, I'll send Jackie, and Jackie like arrived in Egypt and they would like, pick any temple you would like, and she was like, I'll take that one. And so the Smithsonian called her and they were like, we'll take it, no problem. When are you ready to deliver?

And she was like, oh, I don't know, I'm not quite sure. And then the met called her and said, we'll make you a deal. If you give it to us, this giant temple, we will build a glass box for it on Fifth Avenue so your apartment looks directly at it, right, because originally everybody else wanted it to be stored in an exterior location, which would have caused us demise. I feel like we should also mention that she didn't just

get to go shopping through the wonders of Egypt. It was wasn't it in a valley that was going to be flooded. So it was like, if someone will press or something, you take it great, if you can ship it out, you can have it. So it wasn't quite like we just went over and went. It seems more Jackie Kennedy to just choose one, right. Well, that's why they invited her to come and choose one were like, choose from this area that is going to be generosity to the world. Was that she could see from yes,

And now I mean the good thing is right. Anyone can see it. You can go visit it at the ment and it is quite spectacular. What else you want to tell me about Egypt home? So I will touch on the Grand Egyptian Museum, which is the one that you were supposed to go on the tour of. It

is the biggest museum in the world. It's massive. And what's really interesting is that the Egyptian Museum that I was talking about earlier, while it does keep Egypt's wonders there in Cairo, is twelve miles away from the Pyramids, whereas this new museum is right there by the pyramids. So a lot of the things that have been discovered get to stay a little closer to home, so to speak, like they're not at a remove from where they were

originally put. It's almost like the museum is institute. They have more than a hundred thousand artifacts in that space, including there's I have not been to see it personally, but I've seen pictures. There is a thirty two year old statue of Ramsey's the second that is unique and amazing and will certainly give someone a sense of history if they just stand in awe of it for a moment. What's the guy who did Pan's Labyrinth, Germo del Toro? Right, so he's house. Have you seen photos of that house?

Second house? That's just his collection, right, his collection toured. It was in um Toronto in l A. They did exhibits of it. That's cool. Last year. We should do that. Let's do that. Let's go and see his collection. I think we would have to go to his house at this point. I don't think it's on display anywhere. We'll just take a call. We'll just Germo, were coming, Yeah, we're bringing Ella or coming or bringing a dog, will be case of diet coke. There'll be no we need

to like Pan Labyrinth groupies. And then they'll be like, Okay, well, you know I have a tattoo that is based on a project of his that never came to Fruition, which is his adaptation of Um. It's a little historically relevant, not necessarily to this episode at the Mountains of Madness, which is an HP Lovecraft book that he optioned and had been working on and there's a m in that

book are these Antarctic penguin monsters. They're underground creatures and they're blind, and they're very scary to the people that encounter them initially, but they it turns out there just harmless. They just look frightening. And I actually have a tattoo of one of them as a reminder that things that seem scary often are not. But it is based on the designs that he was doing for that movie. What appears to be scary and is not often is not.

But what like what like all kinds of things, like for some people, sitting on a mic and talking about their life experiences would be terrifying, but once you get them rolling, it's often very delightful to share and be reflective about your life. And so things like last night, I was at the cocktail party with my husband and I am like in my element. I was like the jokes, they're making fun and having like a little dance, and Michael was petrified standing in the corner quietly. I understand.

But if you just get in and mix it up a little, it's fun and it's not scary anymore. I introduced him to like business people that he could actually do work with. And I was like, so tell them about organic farma and Michael's like it was like, yeah, so it's this healthy food vending machine and he was like, yes,

well and to tie it into more relevancy. Right. For some people, traveling abroad is very scary, but once you're actually in a place and you find something familiar, like a Star Wars convention, a Pan Labyrinth, Egyptian museum, or just like you realize that every one around the globe is a person and they're not any different fundamentally from

any of us. They may have grown up in different circumstances, but you realize that you can connect with all these people and that travel is in fact really delightful and not so scared. Well, thanks Holly for coming in and chatting to me and making me laugh. How generous of you.

It is in fact selfish because it is a great delight to me, and you can talk about yours show stuff you missed an history class, which if people want to check that out, you can do that at missed in history dot com or find us anywhere on social media as missed in History. This is a great moment for us to travel once again to advertising Land. We'll be right back with more Everywhere. Thanks for sticking around.

Here's more of Everywhere. Welcome back. I was recently in Raleigh with my brother from another mother, Van Noltha, who owns a number of restaurants, including Beta Manda. Van came to America as an adopted kid to a family in North Carolina. Today he's the official mayor of Raleigh. In fact, the mayor himself told me that he uses more generosity in a day then most people could conjure up in

a lifetime. So I recorded your your introduction, and it was such a special moment that I had thinking about you in our friendship and how I feel very grateful that I met you. You feel to me like a brother, a brother from another mother and from another world. And it's funny that I was born in Africa and you were born in Asia, and somehow we found each other in America, across the oceans. Here I find someone who

feels like my twin. And I had this beautiful moment where I was wondering, how do I introduce someone like

that in the world. And I thought of this moment when one of the first times I met you, we were in Raleigh, North Carolina, and it was your birthday and you were having a little event, and the mayor of North Carolina introduced you to a room full of people as the most important person in all of town, the immigrant that has come, the gay boy that has come, the Asian boy that's come from abroad and brought a city together and has taught a city about generosity. And

I talk about you two people all the time. My friend Van, if only you could learn from him. So Van, let's talk about when we met, and let's talk about how Long Probang and Lao has such an incredible culture, an incredible tradition of generosity, and how people can learn from that. Yes, even though I left Long Probang when I was twelve years old tony one years ago, I

learned a lot about that from that place. But the one thing that I learned um the most on, the thing that continued to be really vibrant in my life and how I live and dance in this war, is how to be generous and kind. Um. My grandmother was extremely generous in how she raised her children. My mother continued that tradition. So I think there's a strong tradition of giving in our family culture, but Long Probang itself has its own rhythm in which is consider itself to

be a generous host. One of my favorite things about Long Probang is the arms giving a ceremony. Every morning about four or four thirty heavy families would wake up to cook rice to offer two months. And when the race is fully cooked, we would put on our best clothes and would line up on a sidewalk and loan Probang. It's this mystical place. Um five o'clock in the morning, you have two rivers coming together and the sky opens up just a little bit so you can feel the

purple and pink hue on your neighbor's faces. And everyone would line up on the street with a bolt rice in silence, and we just kind of wait and wait and wait, and all the sudden a pio comage of months come down the street, and that's a frown color glow from the monk's rope just illuminated everything, and there's no climax. Months come by and we offer rice. That's the first thing we do in the morning in a

change for wisdom. I think there's something really special about that tradition about beginning a day, marking that day a sacred day by giving rice in exchangeable wisdom. I try to continue that tradition in my life here in the States, not just arms giving, but what it means to live each day generously. Rice is a really powerful um cooking ingredient for our culture, but rice also represent this moment

of humility in giving um. So rice is the word for rice in Laotian is cow and cow it's the same word that we use for the color white, for the ideal purity, but cow is also the word for to bridge. And I just love that picture waking up and exchange this humble ingredient for wisdom. It is one of those things that stays with me, especially in the work that we do in the States. Um. There's a lot of conflicts and change in our lives, and what we are trying to practice at a restaurant is what

happened if we extended generosity first. I think with this arm or conflicts, when we were the first person to say, let me make you some rice, let me pour you a cup of coffee. Can we talk about it, But I think there's something really profound about being the first person to start that relationship of generosity. Then I find it so hard to not be moved by long profound I remember the first time I went there. It's this little town that you could almost miss. No one tells

you to go to Llao. It's not on the map as a tourist destination. And that's why I went there. And I was looking for for understanding. I was looking for humanity there, and that's where I how to be generous because people were just generous. It seems so second nature to everyone. No one was thinking in any other way than in this beautiful way of generosity. So I

experienced that that. But then when I met you at your restaurant and your brewery in Raleigh, North Carolina, I sense that so you had somehow managed to bring that to America. Maybe what you need to talk about is your journey from a child sent away by your parents for a better life. Yes, um, I got home and Mom and dad mentioned to me that you're living and you're going to the States. I was twelve years old. My sister also came to the States a year after.

We were adopted by the same family. Speaking of generosity, right, how how generous it was for my parents to be so giving to not to not having the selfishness to hold on to things that they loved. They knew it was better for us to leave. We didn't see each other again until it was eighteen. It was such a difficult six years, long six years, But I can't imagine

how much more difficult it was for my parents. Do not get to see the two children becoming an adult, missing birthdays and sickness, And I think that was an act of generosity when my parents decided to give me away. Um. When I arrived in Greensboro, North Carolina, I also experienced the generosity for so many different people that really held on to my sister and I making sure that we felt safe and making sure that we knew we would

love even though we were so far from home. So in thinking about how do we live generously right now, whether that's at work or personal life, I think it's a product of all of those people and faces who chose to be kind and generous with us, And I think we are just a part of that of that journey. How do you feel you've infused that into your business? One of the things that we practice it's how do we meet our guests where they are, whether that's a table,

grieving a family's death or a celebration. We are training our staff and inviting them to really show up fully because I think when we actually show up fully for a table or for a friend, for not a person, our presence is probably the most generous things we could offer. UM, we hope to generous with our staff. One of the things that we carry really close to our heart as a community is everyone that's working for us now over two get to define what is the most meaningful thing

about this job that's relevant in their life journey. So whether that is being a diswasher or being a server, we really want to make sure that our team and our staff members identify what is it about this job as meaningful in my life journey. So I think we try really hard to see the humanity in everything. UM. Restaurant work can be really really mundane. And how do we teach and mentor each other to go through this mundane work by assigning meanings to them and and and

doing with generosity and kindness along the way. I'm crying, UM, you are the reason why I did the show. Why I'm doing this like this is my belief in the world. I think what we should talk about is how travel can teach your generosity. Yes, I love places like Luan Proban when I travel. I love going to places that doesn't have a big monument or something major that you must do. You know when when you're in Luan Paban

and there really isn't much to see or do. And I think when we show up to just be, I think it asks ourselves. It asked us to do a lot of deep listening and deep observation. And just by watching a culture move, just by watching time changes, I think we are a lot more in sync with our own heart and our own life and our own rhythm. I love traveling because it makes me understand me better. I love going to those places because there's places ask

me to show up in a different manner. How do you think we can help people get in touch with that? You know this because it's your culture, You've brought it from your childhood into your world here. But how can we inspire people who are listening, people that want to travel or don't know how to travel, Like some people can't go to Long Parong. But I think you need to be able to apply this principle even when you go to New Jersey or Disney World or wherever you're

going for a weekend away. Some people can't get onto a plane and go to Paris or South Africa. So I want to understand how can we get people to understand this principle and to take this beautiful principle everywhere. I think when we are at home, we have our own rhythms and rituals and ceremonies that we subscribe to

that that's what we do every day. And I think when we travel, I think it put us in a place where we are slightly uncomfortable, so that we are more mindful of the things that we do and not just doing them because that's our rhythm and a ritual. So I think traveling so much of it is about being mindful of your own place in the world, but also being mindful of what's happening around you. And I think when you are actually at a place and at a state of discomfort, you are forced to be more

of a sponge you absorb more. I love the story that my parents used to tell me about the Buddha that I think about when I try to live each day like I'm traveling. The Buddha was walking around how one day during almsgiving and an old man came up to him and say, so, what do you and your months do at the temple that that makes you a Buddhist? And the Buddhas say, we eat, we sleep, and we walk. And the old man was so perplex it was like, I do that too, I do that too. What's the difference?

And the Buddha said, in our tradition, when we eat, we know that we are eating. When we sleep, we know that we are sleeping, and when we walk, we know that we are walking. I think that's what traveling is. When we are walking through a new road, or when we try a new dish for the first time, we are fully there. We know that we are life, and

we are grateful to be breathing. And I think if we can develop that kind of living, that kind of awakness, I think we can travel anywhere, even within our own home and our own neighborhood, and we can see our neighbors as if we are seeing them for the first com and perhaps we see all of their home maladies too. Well. The Dala Lama is going to retire and if someone needs to take over. Thank you. Thanks for hanging out.

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