8 - Call Out Culture

welcome welcome welcome welcome to to to everything's an argument i'm your host Medus and my shadow echo is echo came before the word we're a show where we talk about things yeah oh uh that's one of the little tricks i used to use when i was doing like creepy voices tricks and the uh audio audio drama i used to do meet us pod geez you cut that intro off really quickly i hated that oh i'm sorry yeah do we are we starting it

again all right we're still talking that's cool in the intro uh i used to use that as a i'm just gonna get back into the mode here used to use that as a trick i would i would take something that's needed to sound creepy and then i would reverse it and i would add echo while it was reversed and then flip it back and it would do this really neat uh effect where the you could hear the word and starting before it started it was really neat yeah the common little trick used

in in audio editing cool but uh yeah so we're a show we do we talk about stuff stuff that makes you think that makes us think stuff that make us mad and we want to argue about it we come from different backgrounds and we want to hear each other's opinions well i kind of came from his background but he also came from a different background so it'd be okay uh i'm just a lot older than you i think is yeah nothing's really happened in our life since last time we recorded no no we normally don't hear

but we didn't really do anything not my wrist really hurts because i i twisted or something yeah you i think you probably slept on it wrong or something well it happens it's been like this for like three days i don't think it's like oh yeah that's true that's true who knows maybe you got the carpet carpet tunnels no but we'll figure it out i pulled something like my pinky and carpal tunnel is usually

in your first four fingers yeah so you got this like big huge wrist strap on it and it's hilarious i do it's funny people are always like what happened to your arm i'm like i don't know i don't know and they're like what do you mean you don't know and i'm like i don't know it could have been one of nine different things i have a very interesting life i do actually so many injuries so valley for valley for this episode yeah yeah skip the life update nothing

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slash or not slash donation click the donation link at the top of the page so we watch the met gala yeah do you want to do this before you do your topic do i have to talk about the mech out before you do yours let's make it a quick little conversation okay okay so i'm not huge into fashion

but with lila doing all of her sewing and i really am i really am into fashion costume design and all that stuff i was like yeah i'll watch it i watched it last year too so why don't you why don't you talk about a little bit because you're more into what i am yeah i'm not really into it because of costumes i'm just really into fashion not really designer fashion which is mainly what this is but i really

am into the artistry aspect of it i'm really into fine arts and fashion can be considered a fine art if you look at the fashion designing aspect and the marketing aspect it's just all super cool so i watched the met gala because we're watching some youtube video and dad was like oh speaking of which the met gala's on and i'm like what what he said it like in the middle of it too so i had to rewind the entire thing didn't get to watch it live everyone looked super good the theme for this

year was tailored for you and it's kind of just a theme of fancy suits like come on man i already have have a qualm with most of the guys at the met gala only wearing bland suits any color bland suits and like i can't remember which one it is was this year but he was wearing a really bland outfit and he turns around he's got a brooch on the back and i'm like dude that's it that's what you're proud of

that's really lame it's like i just pulled a suit out of the closet but i'm going to the met gala so i gotta do something um what do we got what do we get oh oh oh oh give me one of your brooches yeah the all of the people at the met gala this year looked good they all looked dapper other than like a few people there was a few that weren't yeah but they were going for ultra avant-garde trying to look weird um zendaya wear a big hat like she does she's got a thinking cap on let it let her

rihanna is pregnant again nice and the what's it called the exhibit for this year was exhibit a no tailoring black style it's a very i looked at some of the works in it and it looks really cool it's oh okay i didn't see those those are yeah aren't they because this is the part we don't see on like the stream it's what's actually in the metropolitan museum for people to come look at because i haven't do a new i do new different exhibit every year and the met gala is a fundraiser

for that exhibit so it's all really fancy suits and i love it i saw i saw a few outfits on there that were really cool looking yeah i do recommend not for practical everyday wear but yeah just like the art art the lines and stuff are really cool yeah i do recommend going to the website the vogue website and looking at some of the really pretty outfits this year my favorite was i go wadum wadum i have no idea i think that's how i think that's how the pronunciation guide said

she's one of the people on snl and she did great hosting this year i loved her outfit it was a fully black except for the buttons and her nails some some of those amazing some of those ladies nails were out of control i was geeking out about it um the the one chick from wicked her fingernails were like cindy arrivo yeah yeah they were they were freaking me out i loved her top the rest of it was okay yeah the the jewel work on on her uh blouse is that what it's called jacket whatever whatever

it was um yeah it was really cool looking the geometry of it was really there's one i forgot her name but she was wearing a fully red leather like outfit with like puffy sleeves the top and like a a bustle and a really big hat it looked really good on her i'll have to go find you have to find her name was hold on i can keep talking while i'm looking for it okay well while you're talking about that although

i do have a qualm because you know how i said like oh men always wear like a bland suit man it was that this time but with the women too yeah come on man women were wearing dude suits and just boring ones like nothing like crazy there was one dude who had a suit on and he had a whole bunch of pocket watches yo yeah i remember that and nobody asked him for the time nobody not a single person ask this man for the time and he would you know he was ready for it he's like do you want to know

what time it is here or in tokyo also echo no no uh no what yeah echo echo waffle echo waffle she looked very happy to be there yeah she did she did seem happy to be there so i'm a guy named dapper dan that was there that's funny i love that but the the the pomp and and pretentiousness of it all turns me off on it but i do like looking great at some of the outfits there's a lot of pink this year i quite enjoyed the pink i didn't expect that

there was so i think we'll move off of the met gala now yes i think that's all it really is to be said without being mean to people um because there was there was some real oh the one thing diana ross took up the entire stairwell with just the train to her uh to her outfit you were so mad about it just it was so mad about it i didn't care it is not an outfit if you can't it's not an outfit though it's not supposed to be an outfit look at andre it's not supposed to be an outfit andre 3000

was carrying an entire grand piano on his back and he could move on his own and a garbage bag i thought that was silly loved that uh that's andre 3000 it's just the i know it's for the art of it i understand it's art i understand it is not an outfit so speaking of art getting canceled all right art is canceled no that doesn't that doesn't flow so what i want to talk about this week and it's a it's a david heavy episode this time we had a leela heavy episode last time uh i want to talk

about getting canceled oh my gosh okay from now on if i write stuff at the bottom it's for after the show because i have a story for this okay oh my god continue so i'll i'll leave anything at the very bottom i'll leave it um yeah leave it don't i won't know why did you what no no no no no no okay not like last time you're like why why did you write 420 at the bottom oh my gosh it was a silly joke it was a silly joke i didn't want to say it on the podcast so um might be a little bit offensive

so not the way you think though no no it was fine um getting canceled saying offensive things and getting canceled is big in the news this week uh so if you're if you're and always yeah i mean yeah

it's it's it's always in there but everybody right now is saying that cancel culture is over oh it's so over um it's done in fact we have canceled cancel culture because i've not heard a single person say that i have cool there um is it there was an incident where a lady at a park i'm sure you've heard of it uh said an extremely offensive thing to a small child and was and then somebody approached her about it and it was it became this whole thing and now she's receiving i think she's over

seven hundred thousand dollars worth of donations on gifts and go now um and then like go fund me right it's like a go fund me uh that i didn't know mom didn't he was spewing all the stuff about this situation and me and mom were looking at each other like what's give send go what's give send go um saying that to each other we were like i don't know so eventually when you were done with your rant we were like what what is that it's like it's like go fund me it's a donation see we just have our

own donation page we didn't we don't go through all this stuff um anyway what they're saying is that you know people try and cancel other people for saying things that they don't like or having opinions that they don't like but now obviously there's a whole bunch of people who are willing to give money to this woman to keep her from worrying about being canceled and losing her job and being unemployable because she said something offensive um and there's there's all this there's a

lot of arguments online about it you can you can't throw a rock on twitter and not hear about this this story right now uh and it's a mess but that got me thinking about just cancel culture in general and how just wanted to give our you know our thoughts on it i wanted to hear how you thought about it but after i talked for a little bit more about it um so i'm gathering my my counter argument as you're speaking right it my my thing about when something is offensive or something is something

that i don't like i just tune out i just block that like on on x for example you can block words so like i i put in taylor swift because now i don't see anything that has the words taylor and swift after each other in that order i don't see it on x it blocks it and you can do that with anything so if you don't like a certain topic you can block it you can not watch it it used to be on tv you just change the channel unless of course the president was on and then there was nothing else

to watch because he was on all the stations so unless you wanted to pop in a vhs tape and watch one of your movies that you recorded off the tv um like that one girl oh yeah we can talk about that yeah in a little bit if we remember um but yeah so i've always just been of the you don't like it don't watch it um if you don't like what this person's saying block them or mute them uh don't give them engagement because if you okay i have an opinion on that okay so what's your opinion okay

so if someone's doing something objectively bad and you know if okay if someone's doing something and you don't like it like you think it's it's cringe or you think it's something that like you're not into but some people might be it's okay to just block someone or to say i don't like this content please don't show me it like that's kind of how i am with a couple of youtubers we were just talking about this before the show but there's this youtuber named i show speed that i do not like

with anything in my heart yeah he's just not he's not a great guy and he's really annoying so hey i show speed if you're listening to this come on the show come on the show i have a lot to say to you but i've obviously been like i don't like this guy's content please don't throw me at youtube and i man other people can watch him i really don't care as long as you're not like acting like him then i would care because he's kind of annoying but i really don't care at past that point but if

someone's doing something bad and you're just blocking them and you're not doing anything about it that's where i have a problem well one of the problems with doing something about it if you're not physically in the real world doing something about it you're not doing anything about it because are you sure i'm sure they're just let's for a couple for example okay for example um i say something that you feel like is harmful for me to say right it's really shouldn't be being said

uh either it's an opinion or a call to whatever it is right and let's say you've got a bigger platform than me by showing people that i exist by calling me out you're boosting my platform and you're getting my voice heard by more people and it's a um negative attention attention exactly

and attention is the currency of the internet yes but i'm not saying giving them attention i'm saying doing something about what they're saying and of course i'm not going to be like oh go in their comment section and attack them you know because that gives them that gives them attention and that gives them something to engagement what sorry yeah i know i sorry i lost my train of thought because you said that sorry well i lost the sentence i was saying that's fine so what

loud like i've got a bullet point here loudly calling somebody out gives them free attention um and that attention gets them more followers and as we know from the the value for value that we receive the more people that are listening the more chances you have of somebody supporting you financially right so getting boosted in any way the more you get boosted the more you're likely to find someone that has an opinion that that they agree with you what am i talking about yeah no

that's exactly right that's exactly right it's like if you're a if you're a nazi and you're on the internet and someone's like man i don't like this i hate nazis in your comment section that gives you more engagement which recommends you to more people therefore finding more nazis to interact with your content and be like i like this i'm a nazi too don't take that out of content no no no okay hopefully that was close enough to me saying that to where it doesn't get clipped

out of context um i'm 15 don't trust anything i say yes this is all for entertainment purposes this is all for entertainment purposes none of this is real characters right now we're playing characters i'm my name is not lila i i gave you my deepest darkest secret oh no oh no okay no i i'm with you no i see what you're saying and like the problem is is you want to be like oh my gosh i can't believe this person who all these people are following and liking and sending money to and

buying their merch which is i i don't like that most of these people probably don't even know what's going on and how bad of a person this is yes okay yeah yeah yeah yeah so like yeah for let's let's say for example um clown mouse oh my gosh he's still up our mascot up here in the studio clown mouse uh does something extremely bad right but he's got 100 million followers as clown mouse does uh clown mouse does something terrible but the people that watch clown mouse only watch clown mouse

they don't watch other content creators talk about the bad thing that clown mouse does they only watch so if he never mentions it on his show and clown mouse never does an apology video with a ukulele and a dog and a dog then we their people don't know the drama and the whatever horrible thing that they did but they're getting new people going to to listen out of curiosity and let's say only 100 one in 100

people that you send to them actually likes their stuff you're still sending them more people which is why you don't want to if someone's objectively a bad person you don't want to tell a bunch of people hey go look at this this is really bad right like like that's kind of what they did with like the whole uh uh ukulele girl situation i don't i don't want to say her name i feel like i'm gonna conjure her uh it was like beetlejuice uh they were like making a bunch of videos about her

being like oh look what this girl did you should go watch this video it's really funny and like man you don't have to say that you're giving her clicks you're giving her clicks you know what she did you know how she responded that's how you should end it and you should just leave it at that you don't have to respect her you don't have to go show her a dislike i think it would it would behoove the platforms to have a button saying uh please do not uh give any monetization or algorithm boost

because i viewed this video needs to be a button like i do not support this button so you can still watch something use an ad blocker without uh well no but there's it doesn't matter because it still counts as engagement just just you watching it and watch time the algorithm on youtube through lots and lots of research that a lot of people have done it pretty much all boils down to watch time that's why marvel when they recently did the cast announcement for avengers doomsday they made

it a five hour long video it was the camera slowly panning across the actors names and it took five hours to get across because of how slowly the camera was moving because they know that cumulative watch time is what pushes you up in the algorithm so they were like hey we're gonna get 20 000 people watching for five hours that's a lot of watch time algorithms one day yeah we're gonna make a whole episode about this yeah we need to research on that one though we need to actually dig in

instead of just uh making bullet points man i like bullet points i can talk i talk better with bullet points than i do like write a script i'll see if i can get somebody who one of the people that i've seen do a lot of um research into algorithms see if i can get them on the show to talk about it who's done a lot of the work um yeah that sounds like a great idea so i looked up

uh people who have been canceled but then it backfired and gave them more or you know whatever uh jk rowling is one of them uh she that's the author of the of the harry potter books if you're not familiar faced backlash on her views on gender but attempts to cancel her boosted her book sales and rallied free speech supporters landing her multi-million dollar deals um dave chappelle he had uh some some jokes that were supposed to be cancelable make them get canceled

uh but it didn't and netflix ended up giving him more specials because of how popular it got because everybody was so outraged about it people like oh man everybody's mad i better go watch this thing go see what it's like why are people so mad um not going to talk about r kelly please don't um let's see who else uh jeffrey star i've heard that name before uh but the name came up when i was looking through the the list of people oh my gosh yeah so sorry do you know about jeffrey star

situation no but i have something to add to this the end of it okay so jeffrey star repeat repeated cancellations for apparently racist comments but each controversy grew his cosmetics line and youtube every time he would have controversy he would get more people buying his products and more people following on youtube so another person in the what's it called cosmetic youtube uh-huh a guy named james charles he was canceled like seven times and he just kept coming

back being like i'm sorry i won't do it again like like every time and he kept doing it what were the cancellations cancellations were about um like really bad stuff like grooming minors whoa yeah exactly like three times like more than once he came back and was like i'm so sorry i won't do this again i'm drawing this butterfly on my face doing this whole butterfly makeup routine as a form of like how i'm showing i'm gonna be reborn and i'm gonna do so good yeah like it was that bad get why

i don't know why people give so many passes to people like you look at like chris brown um had you know the domestic abuse allegations and everything and i don't know if you ever saw the pictures of rihanna i've not but i have heard of the the allegations yeah i'm i'm not saying allegations as if they're not true i'm saying yeah i don't know if he was convicted i'm pretty sure he was but i could be wrong about that don't sue me um every time i say allegations on the show

i'm assuming that they are true but i'm also but we don't want to get yeah we don't want to catch a defamation suit or slander or whatever it is uh okay another one was goya foods oh uh goya makes a lot of different canned goods i believe um like black beans and stuff like that thank you um the ceo robert you knew you nanu good enough okay praised trump which you know you can't do that uh boycott call boycott calls erupted oh my gosh we're talking about that in a second conservatives are rallied

with a boycott instead of a boycott so they were buying goya's food and goya sales went up a lot so that was a direct result of some people saying don't buy goya's like we were gonna buy goya so like you're just hoping as goya you're gonna get more new people than you lost from people boycotting you so trump as the pope people yes people are talking okay so the white house what was it twitter page

it was not the white house it was his truth thought social i believe okay reposted this image i don't know if they posted it originally or if they reposted it of a ai generated photo of donald r j r reynolds j trump don't know what his middle name is don't really care donald robert downey jr trump yeah donald rfk trump good enough okay uh him as the pope after the pope had died now what i found found not funny he was goofing around he was goofing around but still the pope

sadly passed away like a couple hours after jd vance came to visit him in his in in the place where the pope is i don't know where it is the vatican vatican yeah and he basically it was it was a whole situation it was a lot we there's a lot going on there's all these conspiracy theories that it was jd that done it i saw i saw a post somewhere i can't remember and it was like man no wonder and it was someone that looked up like what's jd vance's name and it was like just

killed the pope like man why didn't we notice this earlier oh my gosh but no i don't i don't think no i think the pope was on his way out anyway it's just really funny like a couple hours after but the controversy is that people are just like oh he's trying to say that he you know he's the pope and also there was the whole trump gaza number one thing what was that you didn't know no no i dude i told you about that what did what was it oh my gosh let me look it up let me look it up on my

okay so because i can't connect my blue there's a lot of catholic people very upset about it um and then there's a lot of people who are just like it was just a joke it was maybe in poor taste but when we're talking about taste i mean it's trump you know donald trump shares bizarre ai generated video of trump gaza in quotes oh yeah you should look it up it's yeah trump trump yeah that was old actually that's yeah i know it's two months old um oh my gosh it feels very much

longer than that yes it was only two months this year has lasted six years already it's only may um craziness oh no it was a ai man oh no my screen went black oh my gosh can't see i can't see there we go i can't see um and then of course every time anybody tries to cancel joe rogan it backfires so those are just and then there's like i mean there's a classic example like the uh what's it called the streisand effect are you familiar with that so barbara streisand did not want

like somebody put took some pictures of her new house like on the beach or whatever and was going to publish them or did publish them and barbara streisand made a big huge stink about hey nobody uh nobody needs to post these pictures anywhere share these pictures around on newspapers or anything like that don't do it don't do it and she made such a big stink about it everybody was like what are you talking about oh i'm gonna check this out and the picture went went crazy everybody knew about it

so it backfired and since then it's called the streisand effect um it's kind of like that uh beyonce wanted those pictures deleted off the internet of her at a concert looking horrible just because the timing of the picture you know when you're like dancing and singing and stuff like sometimes your face makes weird faces and uh she didn't like the way that she looked in the picture she's like delete those off the internet and everybody was like that's not how the internet

works there's no very few things can get deleted off the internet and you're not able to find them um there is a couple incidents of people recovering from cancellation very quickly that i want to talk

about i would go for it because i'm i'm done my list is over yeah i saw that as i was doing this like pewdiepie he had the whole bridge incident you can look that up on your own he said something on stream and it wasn't very favorable and everyone was like oh no so he got he got he got big cancel he got the cancel hammer was it a racial slur was it the racial slur yeah i think i heard about that yeah i don't know if he said it multiple times but definitely did say it one time and he still has a

huge following but he did recently kind of take a hiatus from the internet definitely which good for him he did uh come back recently and he is praising linux now he's very pro linux and uh that's really good because if that gets a bunch of young people interested in linux great that's that's just good because a lot of those young people are gonna learn to code and help out with the open sourceness of it

and make it better that's always good yeah um another guy logan paul logan paul okay so is that the one that box tyson uh no that's jake paul that's his brother jake i have a lot of trouble keeping up with them because i don't yeah okay so i know i know i know i know me too i had a big trouble with do you know what logan paul did to get canceled uh is he the one that went to the suicide forest in japan yes okay he went there and he i'm assuming accidentally filmed something that he should not

have and then made some unfavorable comments about it was it like was there somebody hanging in the tree or yes that was okay and he made jokes about it and then uploaded it to youtube as part of a blog yeah and then he came back i have made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgment and i do not expect to be forgiven i am only here to apologize that was the first line he had his dog there he was bawling uh and then he just kind of everyone forgot about it somehow yeah people and then he

made a whole brand with ksi and like what okay so there's people get invested in the people that they listen to or um are entertained by and they're like okay so i'm like oh you know oh i like i like bruce willis i like a lot of bruce willis movies and and all that right i'm like oh yeah i'm a big fan of bruce willis i'm a big fan and when you do that you slowly start to make it part of your identity and if you're a big logan paul fan and you've bought his merch and you've spent money on him

he makes a mistake but you're a fan right he's kind of your friend it's a one-way friendship obviously but parasocial relationship that's another topic we have for another day yeah um you get your parasocial relationship going with somebody they become a part of your identity you don't want to you're kind of like a you're kind of like i can't forgive you you know you did you did something wrong but it's okay because you've entertained me a lot you've blah blah blah

but i don't know i don't i don't i guess i don't know i don't even know how to think about it because it's like that person is just out there making making stuff for you to enjoy whether they're doing it strictly for the money and the fame or other reasons you it depends on what it is now if he wasn't making fun of like if he was out there just filming and he happened to get a dead body in the shot it would be different

i didn't know that he like was joking about it and making fun of it and stuff yeah that's different see that's intentional his yes his script for his apology was actually one of the best i've seen but the way that he acted during the video and after just kind of put me off of his content you know i never really watched him but i definitely am not going to after this all happened we didn't let around when that was happening you weren't we weren't letting you watch a lot of stuff on the

internet anyway yeah so uh he said i want to apologize to the internet i want to apologize to everyone who's seen the video i want to apologize to everyone who has been affected or touched by mental illness or depression or suicide but most importantly i want to apologize to the victim and his family for my fans who are defending my actions please don't they do not deserve to be defended the goal with my content is always to entertain push boundaries to be all-inclusive

in the world i live in i share almost everything i do the intent is to never be heartless cruel or malicious like i said i've made a huge mistake i do not expect to be forgiven i'm just here to apologize i'm ashamed of myself i'm disappointed in myself and i promise to do better i will be better thank you that was like half of his video right and hopefully he meant it and hopefully he hasn't done anything like that before again and people make mistakes yeah and i mean and he said

he didn't know how to feel and he should not have posted the video push it put the cameras down and stop recording so at least he is taking accountability for it yeah and he's not being like oh that thing that happened i'm sorry about that and just not addressing what he did you know yeah just saying i'm a big old piece of crap which is basically what he was just saying there i'm a big old piece of crap for doing that um but you know it's it's tough to know what's in people's hearts

but and this this is i mean doesn't really work for parasocial relationships but in real life forgiveness is for the forgiver not the forgivee when you forgive somebody it lifts a weight off of your soul i mean i know that that's different for internet personalities and people that have been canceled and stuff like that but in real life you know when you're dealing with somebody and they wrong you somehow when you forgive them you're forgiving them to yourself for yourself

and they they're going to take the forgiveness how they're going to take it but it's for you because when you harbor those negative feelings it eats at you so and he definitely did get a bunch of backlash for this like more than people would think like he got that's a pretty it's a pretty um bunch of opportunities it's a pretty bad thing that's a pretty bad thing that's pretty up there um but in since the years he has used his platform for mostly good well good and he's

diversifies his content i hear his his drink is pretty crap i i've heard that i've tasted it before i hate to say that i've never bought it but i have had a sip of other people's before and i was like this is pretty good i don't want to say that i do not endorse prime with a prime company or logan paul or ksi or mr beast even though he's not really part of the prime and he's part of it if they're all hanging out they're all hanging out with each other they're all working with each

other they have if he's ever talked about it he's part of it because with his platform yes old jimmy's got a lot of viewers yeah oh my gosh wait i think there's there's a podcast episode that they did or like an interview that they did with each other logan paul ksi and um no it was just logan paul and jimmy jimmy beast and they both look so awkward with each other like they do not have matching personalities at all you can definitely tell that it's only a business

relationship kind of like you and i yeah right yeah we have no like we don't talk off of the podcast actually she comes out to the studio once a week with a cookie with a cookie oh my gosh it was good we got the ghirardelli chocolate chips yeah i like the hershey's ones more i gotta say i kind of do too i gotta say they taste kind of crappier um nice you know it's like it's like sometimes you don't want chicken like nice homemade chicken tenders you want mcdonald's chicken nuggets

because of the nostalgia because of the cheapness because of the artificial um it just tickles your brain a different way um i've got uh yeah my my older brother lives in hawaii and he has the best sushi places out there like oh my gosh they're so good but when he comes to town he wants to go to the crappy strip mall chinese buffet he like craves that that cheap like i love that badly made been sitting under the heat lamp for an hour and a half food yeah and he's got you know top-notch

notch world-class restaurants where he's at that he goes to so um i got a quote here from ellie wazelle ellie wazelle the author of night interesting book that we were forced to read in uh high school don't remember a single thing about the book but pretty cool dude you don't remember anything about that no i read the entire thing and we oh my gosh want two scenes from that book stick out to me there's one scene that i remember was it the pitchfork i don't know it was the one where

they were getting like trampled oh gotcha um the pitchfork sticks out to me and uh that was a pretty pretty rough scene if you haven't read it you can you know you can look that up on your own honestly recommend it even though i don't remember much about it i do remember it being kind of entertaining there's been people who've said that the whole book is you know mostly fiction and there's been a

controversy about it but whatever um even if it was all fiction it was well written and i actually did my junior writing essay assignment for the state on that book so i um i got the highest score for my old high school in 25 years high school so set the record on that anywho the quote is the opposite of

love is not hate it's indifference i love that quote okay i think about that every day actually i didn't know you wrote that in here i didn't read well you're not really supposed to read my notes because i can't surprise you and like i just did that's a great great response so um if you really want to cancel somebody uh especially if you have a large following like if you have a large loud voice if you really want to cancel somebody ignore them yeah because if you talk about them you're you're

chancing at backfiring yeah and if there's a certain love to hatred like if you think about oh i really don't like that guy like i really want something bad to happen to them you know it's still thinking about that person right and it's like caring about what happens to them feeds right back into the forgiveness thing yeah if you're harboring hatred that means that you've got feelings strong feelings in your heart and if they're just a really middle of the line bad guy

then you don't really think about that all the time right it's like that's that's i don't want to worry about that you know like i don't think about logan paul all the time what's that guy got to do with me well i mean if you think about like like if you really really like somebody or love them if they're like oh i hate you like there's feelings there and you know they're just saying that um but if they're just like you're nothing to me and they just walk away and never that that hurts

that's a knife in the stomach um but yeah so ignore um and i mean you're also chancing like let's say it's not something extremely like the person needs to go to jail for right it's just like a way that you disagree with that person you're chancing letting your audience and people that look up to you are like you leaving you because they actually agree with that other person or they actually don't have

a problem with that person did and they're like why are you attacking this person for this small thing you know um you're chancing alienating part of your audience that's why i never understood why celebrities get political exactly you're you're alienating your audience you're losing out on possibly millions of dollars and deals and stuff by saying something one way or the other um you make one of course you can't you can't really stay out of it anymore there's some artists and celebrities

who've tried to say look i'm just not in politics i don't talk about it i'm not going to anything and people are like you have a responsibility and then like they'll get quote-unquote canceled because they yes okay wait i have more about this okay that topic brought me to another person okay there's this girl that i i i feel indifferent about her name is britney broski she's been around since vine maybe a little before vine but i know her from vine till now she the whole thing that was

happening in palestine and gaza she was like why do i have a responsibility to talk about this on my platform but previously this is why people were so messed up about it because they were like if if she had just said that it would have been okay but previously about like a few months later or before a few months earlier so it wasn't even like a long time ago she had said if you have a platform you should be using that platform to spread good and to spread your opinions and political views which

like not really but i guess if you think that then you should be following your own advice you know people just got the wrong vibe from that they were like but you said this like a couple days ago right yeah that's we she's just a very iffy person to me to be honest we um we on our old show we stayed as non-political as possible yeah i don't mind delving into things but i also try and keep things as excuse me i try and keep things as middle of the road as possible which is how i try to think

anyway yeah um he does i try really hard not to have not just saying that knee-jerk reactions about things sometimes i do but i always pull it back and i'll be like are you sure and he's like wait really wait yeah sometimes i need to fader or leela to be like are you having a knee-jerk reaction i'm like i am having a knee-jerk reaction let me look into this more yeah and then he'll be like my bad so or he won't be like i still feel this funny example it was one of those 2 30 in the morning

digging around in conspiracy theories uh rabbit holes as you do as a as you do i'll bid a dollar on that and uh there was there's this device or or monument or there's this shape out in the desert on a military base right and they were talking about the the geometry of the shape blah blah blah blah causes earthquakes and blah blah blah right and wherever you point whatever if you build one of these huge monuments whatever the tip of it is pointing at there's going to be earthquakes along

that straight line and i'm like oh wow this is what is going on you know i'm reading all this stuff trying to figure out its veracity and i'm like phaedra look at this so this says that this thing can cause blah blah blah i'm explaining it all to her and she's like yeah but they built it on a fault line and i'm like oh hold on i looked up the phone i was like they did build it on a fault exactly

come on man it was 2 30 in the morning and i was going down a rabbit hole i could tell maybe that hole should be a fault that that hole should have been my bed it should have been should have been sleeping because you know how it is google maps or google earth put the phone down at three o'clock in the morning this is for my safety and you're just scrolling around looking at stuff and you're like oh what is that that kind of looks like a dog okay i gotta go to bed exactly that is a dog the size

of a state nope nope i just gotta go to sleep that's all it is um that's ai but one of the one of the big problems with the cancel culture and with the people getting so called call out culture this is what i prefer to call out culture um i hate cancel culture well

okay and there's a little rant for me to go on um go ahead people having to change words because they feel like something's getting uh overused or whatever even though it's the best term for it yeah i'm not even necessarily in this overly negative well i mean not even necessarily in this instance yeah i'm just talking about like cool is a perfectly good word you can use the word oh that's cool you know but they always have to come up with some new word i like saying different

variations to be the same thing yeah i'm not against that comedy you can do a lot with just using a synonym for something awesome sauce oh no say that one more often no radical i hate say that one more i hate awesome sauce and i hate cool beans i don't know where those two came from i don't like i have a lot of words to say y'all or guys do you want me to list them off fellas fellas that's sure that's what i got something all right go ahead a lot of them are variations of gang so

what's up gang gangalang gangalicious uh pals bros bras uh friend friendos uh what's up nerds nerds losers i say losers a lot my friends realize that it's just a thing that i say and i don't mean it thank goodness uh i think that's about it guys loser was for a little while if you called somebody a loser it was a very deep insult because like what like oh wow you're just a loser and if you're saying it in jest it just kind of hit a little hard there for a little while just

certain you know certain words are like more offensive at certain times just because of i don't know how they're used in a movie or something or whatever you know what i mean loser was a you really didn't say it to people for a couple of years there it might just been a local thing with my friends i don't know but um i'm talking about how there's so many people on the internet don't talk to people in real life i was in a chat room one night it was a voice chat we were just chit

chatting about this and that um the the one of the people in the room was very ideological and was very adamant about uh topic a right couldn't couldn't get past i'm like yeah you're ideological and things should work like that but they don't in real life like i was like when when was the last time you hung out with somebody who made under 15 an hour and they were something to do with you know people should be able to do this this is this i was like yeah those people struggle

and you start to get built up in a certain way but then anyway i went on a whole thing about how many people do you talk to in real life about these things and he's like well no not really anybody i don't really talk to too many people in real life i'm like well get out there and talk to real people because when you talk on the internet you can sit behind your your screen name you know if it's your real name but you know that that person's 2 000 miles away and they're not going to go to your

house wait when if we could sit down and talk to people instead of just being like i know i've got my my followers backing me up so anything i say i'm going to get at least this many likes and that's what matters is how many likes you get on what you said versus what the other person said um whereas if you sit down and talk to somebody even if somebody who vehemently disagrees with you on one or two things

you're going to find something in common you're going to be able to put things in a better way looking into somebody's eyes you can tell whether they're sincere or not um but that's just it just doesn't really happen anymore there's not coffee shops where people you sit and talk to just random people about random things anymore there aren't any real third spaces are you familiar with that uh yeah yeah not home not work it's a third space like coffee shops

yeah so yes 4chan did get shut down yeah i was looking okay so just recently uh this website called 4chan don't look it up i don't recommend it very very terrible worse than reddit but man there has been some funny stuff come off there's also been some very disturbing stuff but cool stories oh my gosh if you want to watch some youtube videos about it i recommend that that's really cool the one where

shia labeouf was trying to hide a flag was that was an amazing story look that up there's been some there's been some stuff coming off of 4chan but it recently got hacked which i thought was really funny and then it got shut down for two weeks and now it's back i'm very mad about that is no we won't talk about that it's what yeah to me it's just like you just don't go there yeah just don't just don't go there let them let them be their own little cesspool of whatever they

are yeah and uh like reddit at least can be okay sometimes like there's certain there's some subreddits that are okay reddit is good for one thing and it's tech support which i gotta say the ais are getting they're my go-to now if i need to like i'm still kind of learning linux i'm still not 100 on it of course and um reddit is also really good at math problems well the the trick on reddit and most

internet forums if you cora no oh my god it's terrible cora sucks i'm gonna send that to your nana no um her name's cora so um if if you go on these sites let's say i need to know how these um logitech speakers you know work right i'm like hey uh if i need to re-solder a usb cable on this this set of speakers do i use this or this and then you immediately get on a different account and give the wrong answer that you know is wrong oh my gosh you will get 20 responses with the correct

how to do it because there's they don't really particularly care about helping somebody what they care about is making you feel stupid yeah so you have to you have to do things in such a way that you invite them to make you feel dumb in air quotes um yeah what's i gonna say oh i find it really funny that ai was trying to train itself off of reddit and now when you look something up and it gives you like one of those top of the thing answers it says this answer was provided by our reddit

post like it has to have that disclaimer there it has to have the disclaimer saying it's from reddit well yeah because people were saying a bunch of stuff well i know you must eat one rock a day just when you when you um get on grok it actually gives you at the top of the response it'll give you any websites that it used for that information yeah it does that on the google ones any posts i think that's a good way to do it yeah that way you can actually dig into stuff you're like that doesn't

quite seem right you know what i'm mad about what are you mad about you don't really guess my goat what really gets your goat on the school computers they have the little ai pop-up box that comes at the top blocked and i'm mad about because they have certain plugins blocked on the school computers and certain websites like you can't use reddit at school i find that so funny well reddit's full of like i know yeah terrible but i there's just certain websites that they don't let you use which good

but man why do you have to block the little ai thing i'm just looking up how to pronounce a word in class and i gotta go to three different websites to find something that's not blocked by the school i could set it up so you could you could go to like well yeah i also could just bring in my laptop to school oh i guess yeah i guess that's true it's not recommended because they can't watch what you're

doing on it but yeah just put a vpn on i don't want that thing on their network without a vpn true um yeah so i think i think we've said most of what we're going to want to say about what did you call it uh call out culture call out culture and i call it cancel culture because i'm an old man i don't know these fancy new terms this is an older term for it i've never heard it really oh my gosh oh my gosh it's it's older than than cancel culture

that's really funny okay are you putting call out culture as a possible future episode no that's this episode oh okay if you want to call it that i don't really care what you name it you're the one that names it so you got the choice on that right so yeah if y'all have a topic for us something you'd like to pick our brains about um we'll either do it or we won't yeah you can give

we can also give advice if you need some life advice yes we will give you advice as long as you sign a waiver saying that uh you're not legally um holding us liable if you do the advice and then something bad happens i'm not a therapist anymore um oh my god so is that illegal what do you mean you like pretending to be a therapist or a doctor when you're not is illegal uh yeah saying i used to be a therapist illegal i know yeah no i'm gonna have to the context i'm

gonna have to dig into that because that'd be interesting because impersonating a police officer is legal yeah but is impersonating a former police officer illegal i don't know there's a podcast it's like the therapy gecko i'm pretty sure it's this guy it dresses up in like a like a lizard oh yeah yeah i've seen his videos is it a podcast though i think it is i think he's on he might just be on spotify yeah it doesn't mean it's a podcast it doesn't have an rss feed it's not a podcast although

that is a different topic altogether um nomenclature yeah because a lot of people just nowadays anything where people are just talking is a podcast like any kind of show where it's like a talk show yeah two or more or even even one one yeah yeah where someone's talking about something yeah like uh what windigoon yeah windigoons most of his shows could be an audio podcast man i need to start watching more of his content he's so he's got a lot of good stuff out there yeah all right everybody i

think we're gonna oh yeah there's that that's the one oh a little hot all right coming in hot on the uh outro music we appreciate everybody stopping by let us know what you think should we be canceled should we do an apology how can you cancel us um it would be so extremely tough because we're not on people's platforms we're on our own so well we don't have kyle yet no no i got to get in touch with them see if we can get them to do us an outro i guess you'll never have an

outro for this episode not for this one all right everybody y'all have a fantastic day i just wanted to be swyling after that that'd be so i guess i'll never have an outro all right see y'all next week hopefully bye