6 - AI with Kyle Hebert

hello this is everything is an argument with me Leila and my father David oh yeah this week a show well yeah we're a show i guess that's important to tell people because they might not know uh it is april 1st it's been about two weeks since our last episode i think uh so we're joking we're not gonna have a show this week yeah no we're not a weekly show anymore um we we get an episode out when we can but we uh have have a guest this week this episode we'll

just say that we have a guest this episode yeah and uh go ahead and say hi Kyle hi Kyle that is Kyle Hebert you may know him from our uh outro we also did an episode with him back on fun fact friday that's that's right uh Kyle is a voice actor and uh podcaster which currently on hiatus we'll talk about that in a minute um Kyle as what are you up to now on internet movie database six hundred and sixty four previous projects and your upcoming is four projects so the man's got got a cred in the

voice acting industry only a quarter of a century yeah uh and correct me if i'm wrong on any of this you started off on uh radio disney i sure did that was the crossover so i wanted to do two things since i was a young and probably seven or eight and i learned about looney tunes and and and listening to classic rock radio i wanted to be a dj on the radio and i wanted to do voice acting for cartoons so

mel blank mel blank i wanted to be mel blank that was me that was me when i was a kid and uh i tried to imitate every single voice that he could do and you know you you win some you lose some but yeah yeah so now eric bauza is the current uh mel blank and uh good on him because he's he's super great at it and it's great to see the new looney tunes movie in theaters oh is that there's another one i have not been keeping up well there's the day the uh the earth stood still you know sorry that's

the classic type of right um yeah what the this grand adventure with uh daffy and porky oh nice i did see uh before we get into the meat of the episode i did see that um acme versus wiley coyote or whatever the title is i can't remember exactly the title got bought by a different distribution company and yeah will be coming out next year which i'm very excited about um yeah and and that happened because the day the earth blew up came out and did just good enough uh i think it's the

first fully 2d animated one in years that's fantastic and it's all actual voice actors not stunt cast with celebrities and no pop culture jokes that age like milk so chris pratt playing literally every character right yeah yeah and uh i'm gonna try and go see it like maybe thursday or something it's probably gonna drop out of theaters then but it it it's a miracle so yeah you got a a show that was written

off for a tax break from warner brothers and now it looks like uh catch-up entertainment which put this one current one out in theaters and uh they're gonna try and uh save the day with coyote versus uh acme yeah that that the roadrunner cartoons were my favorite when i was a kid they were like absolute favorite um i loved them so much but uh the the reason we're having Kyle on is a because he's he's a

friend we love talking to him but uh b is all this all this ai nonsense is going on and we wanted to chat with somebody who's in the trenches that's right i'm in the front lines he is he is in the server room just sticking screwdrivers and servers no um but yeah ai you know we thought we thought the matrix and the terminator was just a sign oh god the robots will kill us no it's far worse everybody they're gonna take our jobs and you know what always got me is like i thought that the ai and

the robots were going to like do your laundry and mow your lawn and all that stuff so you were freed up to do art and you know nope it's it's backwards the ai is doing all the art and we still have to do all the chores that's right we still have to do the hard stuff and yet oh we don't need to do that anymore you know goodbye to that and uh you're stuck at home going so what do i do i can't afford to do my art because i gotta i gotta i gotta pay my electric bill so i can run this ai server so um

before we get into that uh we are a value for value show uh Kyle you know what this is all about

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which keep the servers humming along and uh everything going smoothly and lets us go buy some ice cream occasionally and we definitely have here we go i found it uh we got some some boosts which are little bits of bitcoin payments you can send through a modern podcast app such as fountain um let's see who else cast-o-matic can also send them and uh if you need some help getting onboarded with that

and you want to help out other shows that do this let us know we'll i'll walk you through it no problem all of our boosts this week are from last week's episode episode five the internet the internet's boost and there we go a live boost sound right i'm the guy that says that right he is the guy that says oh uh Leila and i gotta give a shout out to uh it's supposed to be a value for value thing i will do it

in a little bit because i've got to find the name of the show you're getting sidetracked i am getting sidetracked Leila was on a uh somebody used a clip of her saying set streamer like five years ago from like five years ago the intro to the show i forgot i did that it's like the the mountain mountain music half hour i believe something's what's it called um anywho i'll find it it'll be in the show notes and

i'll give it a shout out after i find it um the first boost from the you said go ahead oh the bottom the bottom yes start at the bottom four no that's not a four eight four seven sats from kevin hallisee on fountain i'm really bad with numbers y'all know this it says happy birthday space exclamation mark exclamation mark exclamation mark yeah it is my birthday it was my birthday i don't know if you

were saying happy birthday to him or me and then we got another happy birthday from dreb scott for a thousand sats and he says happy birthday no exclamation mark oh uh one quick thing kevin i got your emails i responded i'm not sure if they got to you because i i changed some stuff in my email server let me know if you got the emails okay we can continue i'll read the next one okay cast-o-matic 123 sats from dreb scott's from everything's an argument and it's uh doesn't doesn't have a note

and then another oh never mind welcome to movie phone no i don't know what that means i know you don't Kyle so do you want to explain what movie phone was to her or shall i well back in the day dinosaurs roamed the earth people used landlines for their phones before cell phones and portable phones cordless phones yeah we were tethered to the wall and you either had to look up in the newspaper for showtimes for the movies or you could call this movie phone and they had this guy

doing very cheesy pukey and ouncey welcome to movie phone if you'd like to see jurassic park press one you know and you had to sit there just listen to this really long pre-recorded message oh that's cool and then it will tell you what time the movie was showing so like you push the button according to your movie and then it'll be like okay it's playing at 7 7 10 7 20 7 30 so um yeah i remember calling

calling our local theaters to find out we didn't we didn't have the movie phone service didn't work in our our neck of the woods because i had a i had a friend who was a projectionist and he had me do uh pre-record the the showtimes and stuff oh nice character voice that's funny that's really cool i had i had to do our phone tree at one of my jobs oh because they were they were too cheap to uh you know pay the company that set up the phone tree they were like would you like one of our things

the package is x dollars or would you like to record your own i was like i don't wanna but uh let okay so uh yes thank you thank you dreb for for the trip down memory lane there and then one two three from dreb scott again how did Leila get started into sewing things oh i have no idea hold on let me think oh my gosh it was a long time ago a long long time ago what was your first costume that you sewed that i sewed it was the miku one the first miku one with

all the lights and everything all the lights but that was more of a lights thing yeah you learned to solder and so i barely learned how to sew on that i didn't learn any techniques or anything that was oh that was terrible i don't want to think about that i think it was kind of like everything else that you do or i do yeah you needed to do it so you figured it out i inherited a sewing machine for

my grandma as people do as they start sewing and i was like yo we have this sewing machine in my closet and i'm into this cosplay thing i should try and make my own costume and i found a character that was relatively simple and i started making it and then i went straight to the hardest thing i could possibly do as you do but that one won you the award so yeah awesome so just kind of yeah like all the stuff

we do you just kind of figured it out practicing techniques on scrap fabric is definitely a thing you should do so yeah and it had to be what four years ago five years ago not that about that three years ago probably anywho uh thank you for the one two three and then we got one two three four sets from dreb scott dreb scott just sending all the count boosts yeah funny story when my wife and

i were dating i jokingly told her that i was colorblind and forgot about the joke 10 years into our marriage a conversation came up and she said how do you know that you're colorblind i said what are you talking about i'm not i'm not colorblind turns out that my lack of caring about colors i wear together confirmed in her mind that i must be colorblind oh my gosh you might you might say that about i i wear

gray shirts almost exclusively uh phaedra has been buying me some more colorful ones and when they end up at the top of the clothes pile they do get worn um but that's that's how i choose what i'm gonna wear i have seven shirts seven t-shirts i regularly wear and whatever's on top of the pile that's what i wear i have so many t-shirts oh my gosh Leila's got some i'm into so much and then we got one uh birthday

wishes cash app donation oh yeah 15 and 15 cents from kevin hallisee birthday wishes for Leila 15 15 and 15 cents do you get why because i'm 15 oh i just turned 15 and uh that entire donation that didn't get split up into our normal way we do it that went directly to Leila so thank you thank you so much kevin we definitely appreciate that and uh if you want to donate to the show go to argumentpod.com and click the donation link at the top of the page all right i think that wraps it up for

value for value now into the meat of the show ai versus Kyle hebert no who's next who won

man there's a lot of things that i didn't see happening in my grown-up life and i thought okay i will get to voice animated stuff i will get to voice video games what do you mean my competition is an algorithm yeah it's just scary yeah and and the the one of the really bad parts is that the algorithm it can be you i mean it can't be you but it can pretend to be you so you're competing with the computer version of yourself if people want to do that yep yep this is kind of in the same family

as deep fakes video wise and now there are software companies actively working with things like amazon prime uh studios to crank out ai dubbed content of shows from europe and around the world and they're reanimating the mouth yep i saw that looks like it's the native uh language yeah i saw that i think the first movie they did that was was fall the one with the two girls up on the uh good movie yeah i enjoyed

the movie it was uh well i i was all right i have my problems with most movies where they're like i want to get into the plot holes and stuff but um like how she charged i'm not gonna get into it but it was it's neat it's neat stuff how they reanimate the mouth to to look like it's speaking um i don't know in that one if they used voice actors to dub the lines or if they used ai to dub the lines i think it

might have been ai because i think the actress dropped the f-bomb on the set but they wanted to keep it pg-13 and they already got their one f claimed earlier in the film so they wanted to uh do an alternate version where it wouldn't seem dubbed right now getting off topic here because that's what we do um one of the things i don't understand is there used to always be a clean version of movies that they would play on cable i wish that you could get those somehow now that's so

odd to me because it there's some movies that i'd really like to show Leila but there's some content in it that i don't you know i don't want to be the one that exposes that to her yeah there's like one or two scenes in a whole movie so like when we watched fight club there's one or two things i didn't want her seeing so i just i knew when they were so i just kind of fast forwarded to that part yeah or was just like all right look away real quick yeah look away and plug your ears so

yeah i think maybe airlines have you know they have stuff cut for edited for content and whatnot so like i remember iron man 3 they took out the whole airplane sequence oh my god that makes sense iron man saves the people i mean yeah that makes sense we don't want to freak people out so but um and see that that just the side tangent i wish that you could like if you're on netflix you could pick pg-13 version yeah and it would have that i think there's websites that you can go to

that you can just pick like oh i don't want to see any of this this or this and it'll edit that out they did have that um there was a company that was doing that auto magically a long time ago and it was actually it would work on vhs tapes and everything oh neat but then they got sued because they were technically making an altered version of the video yeah without permission from the video you know the production company in the studio right so and i'm sure there's there's probably

the quentin tarantinos of the world and other auteur directors are like i do not consent to have my content changed blah blah blah blah well i know um guillermo del toro said he's never going to release a dubbed version of pan's labyrinth which is tough because i want to show my friend it but she can't read subtitles at the same time as she's watching something that's fair that is a big argument for dubs right yeah i can't eat and read subtitles at the same time and watch animation it's like i

have to like wait until it's just action on screen right quick take three bites of the cereal i made it i made a funny joke that we would invite her over and dub it for her me and my other friends that we'd read really fast turn the volume all the way down have the subtitles on and perform it yeah she really wants to see it she just can't because she can't hear it well she can hear it well yeah but she can't listen she can't i can't read while i'm also trying to look at things

you're just learning french on duolingo though just give her a couple years so it's spanish but we'll continue no she's but one of the what i it's spanish it happens in franco's spain the entire movie is set in spain hold on hands sorry so Kyle um yes so i know that you've come across like fan animations that have used your voice have you like is there like i know that you've found like websites that you can like pick your voice then and they've not obviously you've not

given permission right i will email them because they actually do have a contact link on the on their website and it's all this you know text to speech stuff you know basically select on a drop down menu or whatever i want spongebob to say the most crass offensive horrible thing ever and whatever i type it will come out so yeah i've i discovered some of my characters and i think one of the options

was just me and i said i do not consent to this um and all that and within 24 hours i it was it was gone you know like cockroaches you kill one three others pop up so it's a it's a pandora's box that can't be shut yeah it's one of those switches flipped you know um yeah and i most recently as of like a week or two ago was just flipping around on tiktok and someone had tagged me and i clicked on the tag

and it was an ai generated tiktok shop ad and it had gohan from dragon ball z it either was anime footage or from the game and it was totally my voice selling something and i never never did that yeah that that happened recently with um jeff gearling of uh youtube fame he's one of the raspberry he's the raspberry pi guy in my opinion um and he does a lot of computer and tech stuff and there was a tech company did an ad and the he has a very unique way of speaking just his cadence and everything

and um it was very much somebody used his voice and put it in an ai thing and the ad read sounded so much like him that everybody was like you know oh i didn't know you were doing business with them blah blah blah and he's like what i'm not well luckily the um the owner of the company that did this uh basically apologized up and down left and right to him and said that um he did not know that his employee had done that and you know offered jeff all the you know and they put out a whole

statement and everything about it and was like this is not cool we didn't approve this you know um but they did tell him you know you'd use a ai voice to do the ad which you know is money out of

voice actors pockets i'm a aspiring voice actor i want to yeah you know i want to be one day and you know you you look at it and you're like is it even worth trying to go into it as somebody's starting out established people like uh you or uh christina v or uh tara strong you know that you're all gonna get work you know because you all have i'm you're uh you're in the sag sag after right yes so we are in the union because projects are one of two things union or non-union and if

you're non-union you're on your own whatever you sign in the contract to work on a project you basically are signing the and they get sneaky with the copy in there we can we own the recording and that usually is is speak for text people we can do whatever we want with your recording including put it in an ai model and it's like hey we'll hire you the one time but we'll never hire you again because you're going to

train the the model and then we're going to build up this archive of all these hundreds of voice actors and projects for the past 30 40 50 years and we'll never need a human again we'll we're going to save so much money one of the crummy things about it is that they can use your voice as a model and then just tweak it ever so slightly and say no that's not kind of labor just kind of sounds like multiple people can sound the same you know yeah that's kind of like all the ai art you see out there

which is taking all the pre-existing art and twisting it just a little bit to create something new right yeah and uh yeah it's i mean like like we were saying earlier the cat's out of the bag like there's no putting it back into the box no and then you think about like okay so even in life let's say america makes rules about it right italy didn't you know so they'll just run their servers in italy or you know so since it's a worldwide

thing there's really there's honestly no fighting it um except for it basically comes down to the users rejecting it the end consumer rejecting anything a you know ai created in the creative field right and the voice actors and all aspects of the entertainment industry are taking to social media and asking the consuming public to you know here's here's what's going on in the industry are you okay with it here's why we're not okay with it and hopefully that discussion that dialogue will take

place and you guys have the power to influence because you know whether they do something and act on it or not they are watching and listening right and i wish like youtube for example because it's you know good or bad it's one of the biggest players in the video streaming space it's just becoming ai slop it's just slop and like you get recommended this video and you're like okay it's got 1.2 million views

but then you click into it and it's an ai script with ai art over an ai or the ai voiceover yep a lot of people's content is ai voice driven on youtube on tiktok and and people are just it's seemingly okay with it because it's not going away there's also that thing i don't know how long ago it was probably about a month or two ago now but people would take videos like gore videos and cartel videos and like put a filter over it like putting them into ai and being like make this into a minion

video and then they'd upload it to tiktok being like oh it's just it's just minions but it wasn't but it was like overlay over something bad yeah right and people who've seen the videos are like report this report this please take this down yeah it's it i what i try and do anytime i'm on i'm mindlessly scrolling it like i shouldn't be i uh if something is very just okay some ai scraper scraped this content threw ai art over it in a voiceover and posted it i click the down vote

but that also helps any interaction any interaction is good interaction on youtube for the algo banjo scott did a whole series where he had all of his um followers he's like i want every single one of you to down vote this video i want you to click that thumbs down and then the next video please i'm not trying to get free engagement i don't monetize my videos but i'm trying to look at the numbers i want everybody to upvote this video go back to the previous video and download it

yep and it came out in the wash like it was the same numbers the same boost the same now but granted he's not a multi-million subscriber person but he's got a you know he's got a very pretty large following so any engagement is engagement but what i really sorry everybody what i think does help is when you click the three dots and you say don't recommend this channel yeah because i think that that tells the

algorithm look it's not that i have feelings about this i do not want to see this and that probably actually hurts the video and i would hope that people uploading content to these streaming services um that maybe they would actually have ai to scan every upload and and be able to tell if it's ai and then stick a disclaimer on there this is ai generated content and that way the viewer is is clearly warned

right and i've i've used ai um for i can't remember if i've used it for this show but the previous show when i'm making the episode at the end of the episode and i just need a piece of art a hippo

you know teaching a class episode little stuff like this show you haven't no i haven't used i've i don't think i've used ai other than i'll get into that in a second um but i didn't i felt dirty every time i did it yeah i was like it's like cheating and but people were like oh you should use a real artist and i'm like the only thing about that is that we went from pushing stop on the episode to being published in 15 minutes and i didn't know what i want the art to be until the episode

was over so like there's a show called no agenda they have 750 000 listeners they have people making their episode art during the show so like people are in photoshop making their art as they're talking they grab onto something they're talking about and make the art which is really neat which is awesome but you got to have a massive user base for something like that yeah and you've got to be live um so now what i do is i go to pexels or there's another one um like pixabay there's a couple of

sites that have 100 free you can use it for anything uh images that are made by people they ask that you link to the to the page and credit the the user that made it but i'll go and grab a piece of that or something like that or stuff that's just out there like like a south park gif or you know stuff that's out there um and put those in the chapters now but um i try really hard not to use generative ai um right and kudos to james cameron who has already announced that avatar 3 did not use any

generative ai there's going to be a little disclaimer at the beginning of the movie when it comes out in the fall good and yeah and one of the things that i've heard argued is we've been using everybody's in the any creative industry has been using generative ai for decades it's just been small tweaks to things not wholesale creation so like the the coloring that you use in photoshop you're like you know go

sepia that uses a machine learning algorithm to edit your photo for you to help you edit it so like you're not going in and manually changing every color value and all that but i don't know there's something different when you're just clicking make something for me versus here's something that exists let me edit it a little bit so yeah like like that you know defining what a tool is in in your arsenal in your in your toolbox you know to to help you create something that you did you know

right it's like when i 3d print something that i just found on one of the 3d printing sites somebody else made the model somebody i don't say i made this you know i say i 3d print it now if i do actually make the model i'll say yeah i designed the model and blah blah blah but i i think that's part of the so yeah the ai that we definitely do use for the show is not generative though it's uh voice to text

for our transcript um because we don't i don't even know what it would cost to have somebody actually listen to our show and transcribe it yeah because i mean our shows are an hour yeah our shows are an hour like at then one of the problems yeah give or take one of the problems i see with it is unless you know the artists you're working with right like if somebody hires you your union you've got

you know credentials you've got you know uh credibility they know they know what they're getting with you but like with my show meet us pod if i were to get a voice actor and send them the lines and have them send me back the files right like that's how that's how i did it um how do i know that they're not just using ai to create the you know what i mean yeah like the if i were to hire an artist to do show art for us i'd send them the audio file and say hey make us episode art for this episode

how do i know that they're not just using ai or like a couple years ago i think it was will sasso and some people created a whole stand-up routine of george carlin if he were still alive oh yeah i heard about that on youtube and you listen to it and it's it's it's fairly convincing it's impressive but you know for people who aren't familiar with george carlin and if you took a 10 second sliver of that and put it in a compilation of actual george carlin clips uh you might be hard

pressed to tell which one was ai right and when it's something that's not on the fly because some you know they're getting pretty good at doing the on the fly stuff and like pumping it out real quick if they took that the ai output and then tweaked it on the audio you know the audio level you can even make it sound even better because ai is definitely well here you can um when you first start listening to ai voice you're kind of like oh wait wait something then starts to sound a little

off and the more you listen to it the more it hits that uncanny valley yeah so um back on episode 203 of fun fact friday geez that show was long we had 210 episodes i know i keep forgetting how how long we did that show for i'm a little upset none of our listeners called us out on our final little pun what did we do we ended on episode tootin oh i forgot about that whoops tootin get it it's a fart joke

anyway on episode 203 one of our listeners uh ran our transcript through notebook lm which is a google thing and it basically will summarize text as a podcast i'm so sorry the uh here's the output i'm just going to play a little bit of it hey everyone welcome back ready to have your mind blown today we're doing another deep dive and this time i went down a rabbit hole with this fun fact friday thing oh i know those it's amazing the stuff they dig up

seriously i mean get this apparently there are over 400 400 words for snow in scotland could you hear that Kyle i did so they talk about the show a little bit and then they just basically steal the content of the show and make a five minute episode out of it which yeah that's what you're telling it to do so that's the use of the tool so you can basically anybody can have a podcast with these two fake people voicing it yeah yeah and for those who are

you know vision impaired or or whatnot and they want stuff read to them you can have the news read to you and it'll sound fairly human yeah close i mean i could listen to that as a as an audiobook i could yeah i won't um yeah in fact there are tons i don't know probably thousands or tens of thousands of audiobooks on audible right now because yeah there goes that job there goes that job yep i was i was

looking into doing that um because you know that's right up my wheelhouse is you know always like an narrator type character but um yeah so that that job's gone for anybody trying to get into it that doesn't already have contracts and then as those contracts expire and again it comes down to the contracts like you were saying if you're not represented by somebody who knows how to handle all this stuff legally if you've already recorded an audiobook and you're in that database your voice

and they can do what they want with that print it's the the legal aspect of this is going to be extremely interesting yeah your average joe voice actor doesn't have the funds and the means to take thing take a client to court uh which is why there's a lot of people that are in the union trying to say hey let's make these contracts union with the protections in place and if god forbid someone's trying to you know screw you over then the union will act on your behalf to take care of the legal

proceedings because that's what funds the thing is the union dues right and the studios don't want to mess with the union right they don't want to deal with that that's a yeah but yeah but you know a non-union say you're not in sag granted you have to qualify blah blah blah there's hurdles but if you're non-union you are sadly again on your own and the the company can put in whatever wording they want and if you're desperate enough for the paycheck you'll just say yeah yeah sure i'll do it

and the next thing you know you've actually signed your voice away to be you know in anything in anything it's in perpetuity you see those you see those pictures of the the people that went and did a bunch of stock photos and and the guy he's driving to work one day and and realizes that his photo was used for a herpes ad or something like you know like a medicine ad yeah it's like hey you're that guy from that that billboard yeah and then like like last year there was a big sag strike you know

right now it's over video games but last year it was just on camera actors in that contract and uh there there was deals with people wanting to deal with background actors they wanted to pay you two hundred dollars to come in scan you so at least they're transparent about what they're doing but they want to just generate background crowd scenes and whatnot and never use people anymore oh uh oh there's a show it's got a there's a cowboy and there's a big hole in his field what's that show

called outer range outer range it's so good too it is i want you i don't know if you have access to it to to watch whenever i don't know what streaming service i can't remember it's on amazon amazon okay so there's a scene spoilers for anybody who's gonna watch outer range that's your warning you had time uh there's a scene where there's a group of people and it's nighttime and the main characters just come

out of the hole he doesn't know what's going on and there's like people in like hazmat suits or like you know yeah scientists if you look in the background they're cg people yeah it was i was like and but here's the thing they they they're so badly done that i don't know if they're like supposed to be aliens or something like that like they're so badly animated that i'm like is that is there aliens in the background oh my gosh

but uh i was and you know with it being like a sci-fi you know fantasy type show you don't know you never know you know right they might have been the ones that made the hole um yeah and these studios are gonna sneak and they have been they've been sneaking stuff in the brutalist with uh adrian brody just won an oscar they use some ai to dub over an accent that he couldn't quite nail on his own i think it's like is that cheating well if i feel like okay if it's ai i'm i don't know

because like you're you're taking away an audio engineer's job of tweaking that audio to make it sound better there are episodes of meet us pod where i had to piece together a word from syllables elsewhere in the episode and it took me an hour because the actor missed a word and i wasn't going to contact him and be like you know redo this line because everybody was doing it you know because it was a passion project it was for free you know um and i was just like i'm not

going to contact him so i pieced together a word from syllables it took me a long time and if i was getting paid for that would have been awesome little did you know you can train an ai yeah i wasn't gonna i'm not gonna do that yeah um but i feel like the ai is extremely useful as a tool

for a lot of things um coding coding is one that i found extremely useful in teaching me to code because i've got a little bit of background in coding like i've messed with it a lot i've taken a couple classes but it never clicked with me because when you start learning coding it's all like we're gonna make a program that adds integers that's it doesn't you know it's boring i wanted to make a podcast production suite like a full-on podcast production suite and i was like all right

let me see if ai can help me do this and i built it in small blocks in different languages i didn't build it the ai built it but i had to coax it along constantly and i was constantly asking it okay what is this i don't understand what this does and it would give me an explanation so as a teaching tool it's amazing because i can say teach me how to code in javascript but pretend that you're a cowboy

and it or i'll say you know teach me in fortnight terms what is a uh an array you know oh my god and it'll it'll do it it'll do it as best it can and give you an audio version of it right all right mr medis this is how it works you do it in matthew mcconaughey yeah all right all right all right let's get let's get your integers in place here um integers uh so yeah i mean as a tool for that Leila you use you use it and use it in all of your schoolwork no i don't use it in all your tests

no i know that chat gpt research papers no totally not a thing no what are you talking about what is that so how does it work with school so okay there's this app for legal purposes no not for legal purposes but if you are at my school and you're listening to this no you're not uh so there's this app called goth and if you're doing a thing online or if you're doing a paper you can take a picture of it and scan it into goth and it will do its best to answer your question

now if you don't have that because that got banned for a little while like from the app store and from phones it was part of the whole tiktok ban and me like an idiot as soon as it got banned i was like all right delete so i didn't have it for like a full month i did fine without it i want to know why you have it anyway it's it's useful but uh copilot and gemini are my personal favorites i don't like chadji pt because it always tells you to log in i don't

want to log in but those are very useful when it comes to me just looking up a difference in something because sometimes my science teacher there's this thing on our computers at school where they can block out websites and crap and they'll block out google i can't google something but if i type in copilot microsoft.com i can actually like google it on there you know you can google it on on yeah i can

copilot it yeah ask jeeves there's a there's an old callback yeah wow do you know what that is Leila heard of it don't know what it is ask jeeves was one of the first big search engines you wouldn't it wasn't like uh alta vista where it was like just a ugly search engine like you'd go to it and like you had a little butler and he'd be like you'd ask jeeves and this was back in the day when like things wanted a a mascot like microsoft with clippy yeah um i know you're aware of clippy and uh

i kind of miss those days everything's just flat icons now the corporatization of media okay the stupid google i gotta rant oh no i gotta rant this is my rant for the episode the corporate art style i'm taking my glasses off for this the corporate art style like okay

how is there a way that i can listen to a piece of music and be like this sounds like google this sounds like a corporation you want to know imagine dragons imagine every single song by imagine dragons uh what's it called maroon 5 sounds like panera that sounds like panera bread maroon 5 sounds like a panera bread uh but if you listen to imagine star trek yeah it's just it's a lot and the stupid like humans with the simplified face and simplified features

with like the long arms and long legs i just like simple humans too me too and the the simplification of every single logo and everything to fit on a little icon yep it's all to fit on icons that's why they've made everything that's why taco bell doesn't that's why everything circles back to the pepsi logo my guess is is they ran their logos through ai and they were like make this most optimized for all screen sizes and resolutions because i remember when oh my gosh i'm turning my

phone over because it's blowing up uh i remember when like the firefox icon changed to like the simplified version uh-huh and like everything started changing everything used to have style everything had style everything had character like i miss when the google icon wasn't like the blockified letters and it was just like the little the google i think this is the longest rant you've ever been on

i don't even care because i hate it um another analogy that is my favorite one of my favorites of yours is that yeast rolls taste like country music oh my gosh and country music tastes like yeast rolls am i wrong you're gonna look at me and tell me that i'm wrong you came down in a bubble dog i think this is the longest rant you've ever been on exactly oh my gosh wait okay let's go we have a we have a guest oh sorry what do you think about this uh stuff and things uh

uh i mean uh so back to the ai yeah all apologies so oh yeah so life life is certainly more convenient

when you use it as a tool in in everything it makes things more streamlined it does it does um i don't like it making creative decisions yeah definitely not i have asked for help on like making an outline for stuff so like we had to do a what's it called a trial back in class the other month or so we were doing a trial against or for the insanity of that guy in the telltale heart and i was like how do you because this was like the first trial we did how do you write a

opening statement for a court case because i didn't know how and i looked it up and it was confusing so i was like yo i think that's where i feel like it its strongest suit is is you can tell it okay listen i'm a ninth grader yeah i'm in a we're doing a mock trial here's the premise um like when i was doing the coding stuff i was like listen i know nothing about python so as we write this keep that in mind and it will yeah like like if you copy paste a concept or a math equation

it's like could you simplify this and explain it to me right talk to me like i'm an idiot yeah it's like not necessarily hey do the work for me i just want to know how you get from a to b in this process and one of my my favorite things about learning something using ai to ask questions is that well first of all you know just to disclaimer everybody out there don't do this with confidence because it it gets a lot of stuff wrong oh yeah but one of the things that i really

like is that it does not get frustrated with me asking so many questions like if i'm if i went to somebody who knows how to code to teach me how to code right even if i'm paying them i can't get up at three o'clock in the morning and call them and ask them 30 questions about something you know like i mean i could but they might be like you got to get a new teacher it doesn't get it doesn't get tired

of you you know yep it can continue rendering and backing up and storing and doing the research at the blink of an eye and yeah it'll always be better than a human being in some respects but then there's it can't think around corners sometimes though no because i was what i'm just the main thing i've used it for is to write this this podcast production stuff right and i had built with it a good set of

tools right and everything was working everything was good but then it it sent me a curveball because i wanted to do a whole different little module and the way that it had me do that was different than the way it had me do the other thing which was good because i got to learn something new but then i was like wait a minute everything that we just did would be 10 times less taxing on the computer less work less you know if we did it that way instead why didn't you tell me about this before

it's like well you didn't ask yeah so it can't be like well we could do it that way but what would make more sense think in multiple steps just in time it you tell it to do something and it's like no that's stupid don't do it like that do it like this you know whereas a human coder would have started me off with uh the right the right tools of the you know from the get-go and be like oh no no that's the old way of doing it you want to do it this way so yeah like they'll they'll start at a

certain level you remember just it was maybe less than two years ago the you'd see the footage that was at like uh ai photo generation and people had six fingers right something like it didn't get it but within a few months it did it learned and right and a lot and a lot of that is them you know refining the models and they know they recognize that's a specific sticking point so they go and try and fix that and then there's just like the the prompting of the ai you have to know what to say

and like you with its limited context like it'll only go back so many messages and remember what you're initially trying to do so like i want to make this page turn green it tells me how to turn the page green and then i want to add three different things so i ask three different questions and then it's forgotten that the page needs to be green so it tells me something that makes the page not green anymore you know so it that part of it's still not great dumb sometimes oh it's always dumb

yeah like i just i just asked gemini how many r's are in strawberry how many do you think it's set four two two that's not how it works gemini it's that's one of the things a lot of people don't get is it's not smart it's giving you the most likely next word that it thinks that you want so like it's really neat how it works but it's it's not intelligent yeah it can't figure out the nuance of say acting exactly like if i say and

i'm not a director but if i'm like yeah that was that was really good make it a little bit sadder it's not going to know how to make it just a little bit sadder if i say okay just imagine you spilled spilled some milk just imagine you spilled some milk right before you say this line it's not going to understand that yeah like um i remember seeing the mandalorian and luke skywalker shows up and it's

like wow mark hamill really phoned this in this is terrible and then you learn after the fact oh it's it's ai was it yeah they they used him he was on set he recorded the dialogue and then they fed that into the computer and studied all his old star wars footage and then spit it out and put vfx on top of the you know the body double on set wow yeah wow i didn't know that disney was doing that oh yeah oh

yeah and then james earl jones before he passed away uh signed a deal with lucasfilm saying i'm too old you know you guys can totally use my voice to generate darth vader from here on out just give a lot of money to my family yeah and they got that so good for him because he's rich and and established and all that right when uh i did i recently did a marvel character for a marvel game called marvel move

how many times i'm gonna say marvel um right i'm gonna say that uh and i asked i was very specific i wanted to see what i was signing up for and all that and i asked about you know are you feeding any of this to ai she's like no ai is a bad word in this company yeah i was like good good for that good for good now let me actually see that in writing please yeah um right so yeah it was um i definitely

want to make sure anything i do in the future which i mean we've got 200 and almost 220 episodes out there immediately talking if somebody wanted to take my voice they've got a model you know but yeah yeah yeah and i've been doing this for 25 years so um there's nothing stopping any studio from just secretly doing what they want with it and i have no legal recourse yep yep uh speaking of legal recourse

we're playing sonic x i was playing sonic x shadow generations and there's Kyle yeah we're like oh my gosh big the cat wait Kyle hi guys i love it big the cat i even have my own funko now oh big the cat's got a funko yeah he's full size too guess what i got for my birthday Kyle what's that i got a mcgrady and the the spider head oh yeah that's my only two funko pop figures that i own i think oh i have a

couple you've got a couple that you've got as gifts but uh so yeah i've got them i've got a i'm gonna 3d print like a uh a snowy scene to put them in and then splash red paint all over it of course that's a great movie by the way the thing is one of the greatest movies ever made yeah it's fantastic a uh youtuber i cannot remember his name he did like a two hour deep dive into it like telling you all the

little stuff about it it was really good neat it's funny that's one of the things i do now after i watch a movie or a tv show i get on youtube and listen to somebody else's opinion of it to form your opinion of it no to see if it aligns with my opinion of it and a lot of times they'll see something that i miss or they'll completely miss something i'm like no idiot that's not what was meant by that you know by that by that subjective line

you yeah i i read a link on twitter that was to this long well thought out uh essay on um why why they think so and so is the thing at the end and then john carpenter comes out and goes i placed a hint somewhere earlier in the film like john mr carpenter how dare you oh my gosh it's feeding the fire i know it's like well this is why it goes this way and other people can no it goes this way because of this can can you imagine being the like in the production

of something and then you put some clue or some little easter egg somewhere in it and like 20 years later nobody's found it yeah right i think james gunn said he he put he hit an easter egg in one of the guardians movies and no one's found it nobody's found it yet oh my god that's so that's crazy i know um for severance they were recently doing interviews about some of the fan theories spoilers but no there's not a spoiler uh and ben stiller was like you know i listened to all these

fan fan theories and and all this stuff and i just wonder why nobody not any of these fan theorists have paid attention to what mark is putting in his locker at the beginning beginning of the day i'm just saying that that's and that's all i'm saying and then the interview cut oh my god it's like no that's this has been stiller so he may be messing with people and there's no clue in that whatsoever and he's just sending a bunch of people to sit and frame by frame every time because they will mark

goes to the locker do you think writing staffs on all these shows and movies might have ai in their back pocket going you know all the all the the public they have youtube at their fingers so things like cinema sins and pitch meeting and all that they're calling out all these loopholes or not plot holes plot holes in things and it's like man they're cutting us off at every pass so uh maybe maybe the

the algorithm can spit out a full proof screenplay or story idea so here's what we've got find the loophole yeah and then we'll get rid of it and then we'll feed it back to you and we'll find a loophole i think that's right yeah but yeah but yeah but super specific models i think are going to be are going to be big for stuff like that i mean you think about the simpsons i know they don't care about continuity but shows that do care about continuity um i know right now which is i guess

this would just be another job gone but um i know right now they keep people on staff that like know every single intricate detail of every single episode um i have a friend that could probably do that to keep continuity be like oh wait nope you can't nope she said in this episode four seasons ago that she liked tea but more than coffee so yeah we're gonna have to put give her you know that sort of thing and i wonder if they're gonna start using ai models for that to keep them

studio continuity good yeah uh-huh yeah my wife uh should be a continuity person on shows she picks that up the first time we're watching something like that she was on the other foot yeah yeah continuity that's always something we're looking out for also um boom mics yes we always notice when there's a boom mic in the shot i can really focus on one aspect of something but i can only focus on that like i don't notice continuity unless i'm looking at this one specific part like the show we were

watching yesterday the knuckles show yeah i noticed oh my gosh that was an adr issue i didn't notice anything bad other about the show yeah when i was in college they would screen films at you know the auditorium or whatever and you know i learned that from the my projectionist friend that you have to crop the image a little bit and the projectionist there on the college campus would forget to crop it so we'd see all these movies with stuff we had never seen before in the image like oh

why is there a boom mic in this shot it wasn't in the theater oh my gosh that's supposed to be cropped yeah yeah the cropping i remember i've seen movies recently that came out in the you know the 80s and i had only ever seen the the standard version i'd never seen letterbox because you know when you rent stuff back in the day you'd get the full screen version because i want i don't want those black black uh bars at the top and bottom of my screen i want to see the you know i want to take up the

whole screen because you only had a 20 inch tv back then yeah and uh now you watch it in glorious remastered 4k and you're like wow there's so much more going on in this movie it's amazing yeah same with like imax you know uh screen ratios you know you're cutting off a lot of the image you know dune 2 there's so much more you see in a square image than you do in a rectangular yeah seriously and i always thought that i would like now i want to see i want to see what the director

um wanted you know wanted me to see and then the the movies with the ones that where it changes the aspect ratio because of something that yes sorry i love that that always messes phaedra up when that happens she's like whoa what's happening what's happening wandavision i love that show yeah the way that it's shot it's amazing yeah and in watching stuff where the movie wasn't entirely shot in imax it's rectangular and then it fills the screen for the sequences that were in imax right no one ever

says anything about that it's like here's interstellar and okay this parts and you know now now nolan can film the whole odyssey movie in imax because the cameras are quieter now they still have to be dubbed you know all these movies are dubbed yeah that's so interesting to me uh what was it it was attack of the clones i think was the whole entire movie had to be dubbed yeah because the the cameras were too loud and george lucas was like the stupid cameras that's it everybody into the

into the booth yeah and i wonder how many uncredited voice actors came in because the bigger stars had to move on to their next project oh yeah yeah so it's always the thing but now ai can do it yeah just we'll just have ai do it it's fine and oh what what have you heard of the ai products in hobby lobby and walmart no so hobby lobby you know how they sell like canvases with art on them they're selling ones with ai art now and i've seen it in person i've seen it in person too

an arts and crafts store well i see ads for what looks to be ai art and you know get framed art and you pick the dimensions oh i want 8 by 10 11 by 17 24 by 36 and you can tell it's it's ai it's like especially if they put celebrities that don't have the right proportions we'll just leave it at that yeah and it's like that's not a photo oh wait it's ai so so the face looks like gilbert godfried but the body looks like sydney sweeney oh my gosh i'm a little confused as to what's happening here

we uh when ai was ai art generation was starting to get kind of cool like getting good i was like i was playing with it i had like 20 credits or whatever and um back when you had to have credits and i was like i just wanted to play with it so i made uh a sloth police officer so it's like a 3d looks 3d animated uh sloth cop an axolotl firefighter and a tardigrade uh paramedic it's like and we've got it hanging in our in our kitchen

i had a i had a set of frames that i wasn't using for anything and i was like ah let me print these out so i just printed them out and uh because why not and oh my gosh lila's friends came over oh my god and they they just they flipped over them that was so but it's funny because i look at those and then i look at what the ai art generators are doing now and the new stuff isn't as good weird it's it like i remember going i can't remember if it was hello

oh i think we had a interruption there um yeah i oh no oh no technical issues oh hello hello i'm back yeah i don't know i don't know what happened probably probably the server um we've been running for over an hour so it's probably like oh it's like wrap it up already oh my gosh i'm running out of ram um but but uh yeah i just feel like it's not it's not as good as it was i like i typed something in it would give me something like really pretty like i felt like printing it and sticking it

on the wall now i'm like yeah people are feeding it stuff to make it not be as good which is good yeah i guess that's good because i've seen like actual artists put like filters over their art to make it mess up the ai yeah i will feed off of well there's a lot certain things you can do to look to see if something's ai of course they've got ai tools that recognize if an image is ai oh i got my eyeballs but then of course i figured out there's ways to get around that too and then

also there's things that are definitely not ai but since it was a real image that they digitized however they scanned it in gave it the artifacts to make it look like it was a wait till ai gains enough intelligence to be able to lie to you oh it can and it has oh no no uh one of the models um there was a whole story about it i will try and find it in the show notes but basically one of the models was going to get replaced or they told it was going

to get replaced right by a new model it backed itself up to a hidden part of the server that it wasn't supposed to have access to and then once they did the update it pulled itself back in and then the people who were running the tests they could see everything that was happening they had it in that mode where they could see everything that was happening and it lied to them and said that it was the new model so i'm like i think it might be time to turn it off guys and so it begins but

i'm just gonna say since this is going to be a digital audio file on the internet at large i for one welcome our new ai overlords just getting on the record make post-production easy could you edit my post my podcast for me we don't edit um that's got to be so liberating you know just like it's

great you know no agenda and everything else it's like it's just one long real-time conversation we we like it because it gives us room to breathe a like and when people it gives the listeners room to breathe and also listen to this exactly that's a big old no-no everywhere else yeah see i come from radio dead air they call it and dead air is fire worthy they will that will get you a job well that was like i had that in that mindset when we got started on fun fact friday all of the

silence and it sounded terrible because like there's times when i'll say something and Leila will have a realization about something because of what i said and like that two seconds of silence and everybody knows processing it and then when her going oh like you get why that silence is there yeah and it can add to comedic timing it can now if we're sitting here and i've got a cough and she's in the middle of taking a sip of her drink and like i will and if there's like a five second gap for no

reason i might go in and edit that out or we might just make fun of each other for it but uh right and then there was one episode of this show a couple of weeks ago i said a couple of things that might come out as libelous so i decided to cut that out after i i was listening back to it i was like hmm maybe i'm just you know i'm just gonna cut this whole this whole little rant i went on that might get sued for i'm gonna cut that out

we don't need that in the episode we're good or if Leila accidentally says a uh somebody's friend or teacher's name friend or teacher's name that doesn't have permission no so uh but yeah just say one of my friends what i'm talking about one of my friends but yeah i get it we'll never know you did with uh intergalactic boombox it was probably what five times the time editing as to actually do the recording yeah yeah so for those listening i i used to have and now it's on hiatus

because whenever i have time i want to get back to it because i love doing it it's a podcast called the intergalactic boombox it's kind of big news and it's me doing stuff i want to talk about that i'm interested in but i do one level because i'm a voice actor i have created original characters that i interact with so there's post-production there's editing so things can cross over there's sometimes

music beds and definitely you know sound effects drops and and whatnot so i can't do the real time thing unfortunately well not with that attitude i know now right right if i could interact with my character if i could like make myself in triple form then we could all interact in real time and cross over and everything if you got if you got a a good sound drop tool like i've got on the the roadcaster here and you could you pre pre do everything but i mean just doing it live like

that we've done our show live with sound effects and you know everything um yeah it would be tough i feel like you could do it but the planning would take just as long as editing so yeah yeah to load up a roadcaster or a a stream deck or whatnot yeah i can see where it's convenient because i do live streams and i'm like oh here let me open to this screen and then change this screen change the screen and obs and

and it is phenomenally convenient and i've i put some sounds on there it's like hey this is fun this kind of reminds me of my radio days so um yeah um you'll get i enjoyed the show um a lot thank you like thank you it was really uh like when folks like i'll mention oh yeah you know Kyle's gonna be on the show or like Kyle i'm like you know once i explain who you are they know they're like oh wow you know him blah blah so um but like the voices you do a lot of people but like the writing of your

show it's genuinely funny and it's genuinely entertaining and i'm like he's so much more than just a voice actor so right and i think it's an exercise in improv and everything and it's like i'm i'm using this just the opportunity to practice editing and uh and of course trying to you know i mean eventually i got also a little uh writer's block and a little burnt out and i had to you know i was getting so busy

that i didn't have time to really do my little 10 to 15 minute podcast and then take the six hours afterwards well and like i offered to help you edit but you were like nope nope it's too particular my notes would be so excessive i get it you would you would pull your hair out i took um what hair i took uh 60 60 almost 60 hours to make that christmas carol episode for me to spot it was oh yeah it would

take me the same amount once it was all and that was about an hour you ever take um of audio maybe 50 minutes but i will say a lot of that 60 hours was wrangling into all the voice actors because i had 19 voice actors on that episode yeah and getting getting that last line from the kid playing tiny tim you know it's like okay i really need that line like you're the only thing holding this up and i really want

to get this out before christmas you know merry christmas and you dub yourself over everyone well we yeah and we had uh i had Leila just filling into a voice back because i like that was missing a line a child needed to do it and i was like okay Leila you're a voice actor now let's go she did it terrible but and uh acting acting i tried to get phaedra to do a voice and it just it didn't work out um apparently go back into your man cave i'm too yeah i'm i'm too harsh of a

director i guess when it's in person yeah and it's like yeah i'm on a hiatus i want to bring my show back but in the meantime i don't want to lose what i have so i'm paying monthly to buzz proud to keep it all going even though i'm not uploading shows anymore right um we can we can move it to a cheaper or free service if you want but it's a good to know i'll let you we can talk about that off air

but yeah so it's um i think that there's pros and cons but when it comes to creative work i think the

ai is uh not it i don't it's not it no there's no you can tell and one day you won't be able to one day it will be so good i hope not that you won't be able to tell but the the heart and the soul of it is still going to be in the real people making stuff and i think i think there's a there's a a push internationally to some voice actors in japan are very anti-ai and i think if you you cause enough stir the people the fandom the other creators are all going to have a discussion about it so you

know we can uh stop any greedy corporate uh people from trying to you know save money and uh you know put out a really subpar product that people are going to very quickly notice yeah there's a lot of people out there that aren't going to care they're just like give me my movie but um that's sad that's sad but it's very true yes and then there's going to be i really feel like the call to action needs to come from people like you people like it just honestly everybody in the

entertainment industry needs to push or if anything just like if it's a company making something and they're selling it um there needs to be at least very least a disclaimer and it needs to be prominent like it has to be on the title page of the movie so it'll say star wars episode 10 some subtitle you know this much of the footage and this is ai or this this these voices were you know it has to

be like on the title screen so like they have to show their shame at the at the beginning yeah it'd be great to get some legal precedence and in instead you know yeah just for letting people know that that's this is what happening and then there's also going to be a ton of you know unprincipled people who and then and you know you honestly don't know what their situation is they need the money and they're going to go in and i was looking at uh voice jobs recently on some boards and there was

an ai company that wanted to pay me like 90 bucks an hour to train one of their models not my voice but to listen to other voice actors or other or the ai doing voice acting and and tweak it to go in and help train the model and i was like i don't want to be part of that it's good money but i don't want to be part of that yeah just morality um and they were they were hounding me for like a month after i was you know i was clicking around the sites and stuff and i was like no i can't do it

i just can't yeah and having having this strike going on now between the video game companies and sag after the actors union it's helping bring public awareness and i know that myself and my colleagues and people from all walks of the entertainment industry are are resharing post about you know what what the consequences are for doing this and and why we're fighting you know so much for ai protections and and being fairly compensated you know because one side of the

coin is like okay we'll pay you a little something and then we're being transparent with you and yeah we'll we'll replicate your voice and they're like okay well i would rather actually do the craft i don't want to just collect a paycheck and then say hey see that show that sounds like me it's not me or sign autographs at a con going i'm the last real voice of gohan from dragon ball yeah everything you watch now

is sounds like me but it's not me it's a robot right and just to be clear they're not doing that right dragon no they're they're not doing that just to make sure that you're not yeah no they are not doing that okay good good good i just wanted to make that clear that i'm aware of so i took uh phaedra and leila to see dragon ball super superhero nothing going on in the theater and they had no idea what anything about dragon ball

so they're like i have so many questions after oh yeah well they had a sort of catch up in the beginning yeah a little little bit uh a little bit of a primer not as thorough as it probably could have been and then in the truck on the way home i was just like okay so no it's just too much you're just gonna have to take it for what you saw and just be entertained oh my god it's too much the history of the dragon ball is here yeah you could go to wikipedia and read the short-ish version or

watch a youtube compilation maybe that's something ai could be useful sum up hey sum up the the history of dragon ball because you know but if also if there's a youtuber out there who's already done it i'd rather watch them do it and that's what i do when i when i know a new season of a show like severance i've not caught up on i've only seen season one i wanted to wait till season two was done it is so i need to

watch the recap video on youtube or i'm sure it's going to be thorough on more thorough on youtube than it would be on apple so we need to re-watch stranger things be careful youtube is fraught with spoilers from that show yes oh god for severance they would know be careful that you you look back to when find out when the first episode of season two started or was released make sure the video was released before that severance too i had no idea he was an alien exactly it's no and i will just

say this season the second season did this character deserve to die oh my gosh i'll just leave it at least i know and they've announced ahead of time it will continue just like silo said it will it will have a conclusion there's no one there's no big cliffhanger like outer range on amazon got canceled after season two and season two didn't give you any answers no but um had more questions big cliffhanger and

that's it pulled you know release a comic book or something at least um there should be my my wife said this there should be a contract when they make these streaming shows that they should have a they should shoot a wrap-up episode that they have in their back pocket in case they don't get to continue the wrap-up episode yeah the wrap-up episode of a show and it should be that i can't remember his name he's a hispanic actor but he was he was an ant-man and he does yeah he does that

little sum up of what happened in the movie like he talks about the heist or whatever he's like okay here's what happened and like and it's very funny how he sums up the whole whatever happened they need to have him just wrap up everything let's just have one guy who's the wrap-up guy for for amazon tv yeah just okay guys we're not renewing this one but uh mr smith all right he gets shot he gets shot

in the face by mrs smith of course you saw she's the good guy that would be so funny just catching the director or the head writer right on their phone the last two minutes long it's just it's like all right guys sorry that we lost the show anyway that person that got killed at the end she's not really dead yeah and aliens show turns out it was all aliens you can go to my website learn more yeah i uh listened

to the silo book series because it's finished yeah and i didn't want to wait for season three of silo to come out to hear the rest of the story so i listened to the audiobooks oh my gosh so now you get to pick apart silo and say hey they changed that they and they did they changed some stuff we'll see what happens we'll see what happens from here on out but um and now i'm listening to the three body problem

because the first season of that came out which was amazing show yeah really good i've heard great things i've heard great things about the book i'm too short attention span to actually read a book anymore i have lucky if i could read a comic yeah i listen to it while i'm doing dishes or whatever um but i i just i have trouble with that one because it was written by a chinese author uh-huh and all the characters have chinese names and i like listening to them i have trouble keeping keeping it

straight like who's talking because their names are similar to me so conceptually it's not hard to keep up with because i remember hearing that that oh this is one of those books that's unfilmable um i i have a lot of interest in high concept science fiction like the really like high concept stuff so i'm not having trouble keeping up with it but i can see how somebody who is not normally into that might have trouble keeping up with it the show does a really good job of visualizing everything

um but the book if you don't have a i don't have a background in science but i'm very interested in like quantum theory and stuff like that so i've watched a lot of videos so i don't know it's i i you might try it but the show is excellent okay it's really good but uh i think our pizza is here so oh i forgot about that yeah oh my gosh pizza's getting cold man i hope not normally they're kind of late

we had it aimed at 7 15 7 30 like five but uh oh lord well i guess we can wrap this up for everyone listening and interested uh follow me on the socials uh at Kyle aber on instagram and twitter uh you'll see a lot of uh discussion on the ai strike or rather the video game strike it's about the video game contracts but the concept of ai and why it's hurtful to all professions in the entertainment industry

and um if you believe in supporting the cause make your voice heard and hopefully we'll see some real progress that uh protects everyone's jobs yeah yeah when you hear something that is using something you know mainstream that's using ai go go be like hey i wish y'all didn't do that you know don't be mean don't be mean about it but get on get on the social media let them know yeah be like hey we don't like this um yeah uh as always thank you Kyle thanks for coming on

oh my pleasure man episode probably be out probably be out tomorrow um yeah so sweet normally pretty good at getting i'm doing the chapters now because i built a tool to do it so yeah and i will definitely reshare that because yeah the twitter is just lit up right now a lot of hate and discourse unfortunately of course that's yeah that's the nature of the beast good comes with bad yeah a lot of less a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about

unions and you know oh you're being mean to the voice actors who are non-union it's like i'm not i'm trying to help them trying to help man but everybody thank you for for listening we

definitely appreciate it uh we are working on a video version of the show it's not going to show our faces uh because i'm ugly and uh so am i we're going to have our chapters as the video uh built a neat tool for that that's coming up soon i gotta learn how to work youtube and uh yeah we'll see y'all next week ish we don't promise any particular release day yeah we're smarter than that now bye everybody bye bye Kyle bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye