5 - The Internet

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but welcome to argument pod we're a uh a podcast we are actually we're pretty much the only podcast still around yeah everyone else is either yeah just gone yeah just gone not even either just gone yeah it's been what it's been like two weeks since our last episode sorry about that we've had a lot going on it was uh my wife and i's 21st wedding anniversary last week so uh we had had a whole week of and we have had our weekends full doing anniversary stuff yeah and um we went my

wife and i went to fancy restaurant out in winston-salem and um went to a place called mckay's out there it's like a used bookstore electronics it's like a thrift store but it's like focused on media and um electronics and stuff like that so had a really good time and um yeah now we're back now we're back into the show and i've been working on some tech stuff i'll get into that in a little a little bit but yeah we'd like to uh thank or welcome all of our new listeners

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these these apps that help me make the pro the show afterwards i'm gonna talk about that a little bit what you know how easy it's gonna be when we don't have the friday or when we have the friday night football games but we don't have a show that's in around friday right gonna be yeah yeah um but yeah so our show this week is going to be about how you know as you can probably tell from the title the internet was a mistake i don't think we should title it that

no no i think we should just title it the internet the internet yeah because i saw it and i was like that's right this is my my thesis is that the internet was a mistake and of course that we're but we're gonna discuss the nuance of that i don't believe it is no it's not but it's a fun thing to say because you see some stuff and you're like oh wow this whole this whole experiment was oh my gosh why don't you put a space at the end of things what oh okay wow okay i just noticed that

in the outline yeah where you wrote out what we were doing uh-huh you put intro enter you didn't put intro space enter yeah i never put spaces at the end of lines bad formatting if you're in in certain programming languages if you have a space there it wrecks everything all right if you have a space or a comma in the wrong spot it can wreck everything but uh yeah we're a value for value podcast and we like

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with an a wow um it hasn't no it oh really i got the internet my first brush with the internet was in 1996 i remember specifically it was the summer of 96 because it was during the summer olympics uh aol which is a company that used to be around i think they still have some stuff going but america online we had finally gotten the internet through them you had to pay by the minute every minute that you were on the internet you had to pay it was extremely slow and it took up your

entire phone line so you couldn't talk on the phone and be on the internet at the same time so we got the internet and i immediately went to the chat rooms to talk to the people in the olympic chat rooms which was really neat that was that's cool it was so cool and chat rooms were the thing back then and we uh you know i learned went from there and i learned how to write web pages by i i found the view page source button and started looking at the page source for other websites and i learned how

how the little html tags worked and i started messing with all that and then i don't know it just turned into go going from there i guess you would say i've pretty much had a website or two up ever since 96 97 and uh the internet's been a i mean a huge part of my life ever since as most people but and you would have never known never known what that internet has been a big part of your life right as we distribute this on the internet you'd have never known and receive internet money

so what about what about oh okay so affecting my life now obviously we distribute the show on the internet i play games with like my brother we play games together on the internet sometimes um all of our entertainment comes from the internet now a lot of it's hosted at home talk about that later um but yeah so i mean it brings me all of my information all of my entertainment uh all of my communication what what all of your communication 98 99 of it yeah i wouldn't go that far what what do

you think what communication other than in person do you talk to people online 99 of the day or 90 well no i'm not talking about you're communicating except for in-person conversations so where's the one percent going text messages that aren't through the rcs system that are on sms that's not the internet uh what sms is not the internet what is it it's a it's a whole protocol but that's probably internet now because the sms is probably relayed through the internet my phone's

probably 50 50 people that use sms and people that use rcs right but anyway the vast vast majority of my communications are through the internet yeah so yeah so there you go um the internet has affected my life by one growing up in the vicinity of it and just learning to do stuff on it at a very young age you know but also my like how do i explain it i don't know i didn't know where you were going with

that i was going to ask you social media but i don't have social media you you do it's just not what people typically think of when they think of social media you get on you get on that one or two of your games and they have voice chat and you chat with people and or use the chat rooms that's social media it just has a wrapper of a video game around it and i use a couple like youtube and pinterest right right social media you're not like using those as to post things or you you're just

consuming entertainment and information essentially but i mean you're not the average bear you're not the average 15 year old you know yeah but it has it's affected my mind definitely in pop culture references i have a friend that we literally almost all the time only talk in pop culture references and we understand the sentences between each other it's really funny well what's crazy now about the internet

versus like say when i was a little younger than you because well i got the internet when i was your age so like imagine you not even knowing about anything having to do with online world until your age if you had never been around before so like pop culture used to be different for me because there was like three or four channels that everybody got over the air on tv right so chances are most people

were watching the same tv shows almost everybody who watched tv watched the same shows so that was your pop culture uh when movies came out like you would see the trailers for the movies you wouldn't really see them on tv that much you go to the movie theater and like you just hear about word of mouth yeah this movie was coming out or you just call the movie theater and say hey what's this movie about

you know um we didn't see a whole lot of movie trailers um but then when a big movie came out like that's what everybody talked about but now everything is so splintered and fractured on the internet i mean you've got all of your streaming services putting out movies you've got actual movies that come out in the theater other ones are actual movies too you don't mean like movies that come out those real movies theatrical releases you've got tv shows you've got tv shows on streaming

that uh you've got youtube which is just literally anybody can start a channel you've got podcasts for the audio listeners and video podcasts i guess um so you've got all of these different things it's it's interesting because there's there's the the main pop culture which is normally pushed by disney because they pretty much own it now um and then there's sub pop culture and those kind of kind of intersect like you're going to have a lot of mix between rpg gamers and anime fans

uh you're going to have a lot of mix between you know cosplayers and like makers you know people that make 3d printing stuff and and you've got all these subcultures and they they intermingle and intermix but you can have two people going to the same school in the same small town who like consume none of the same media but both of them are actually consuming popular media you know what i mean yeah there there was a lot more cohesion in the what people liked back in my day and i wonder how much

more control the large companies and you know even like the government if they were involved in any of that how much more control they had over people back then by pushing certain messages even stuff like the um but even now that's kind of getting more pop more and more popular like with them with the newest mark rover mark rober video i keep calling him mark rover because he worked on the mars rover

i'm start calling him mars rover he posted a video his last video that he posted like two or three days ago now right he i didn't watch the video you did and you explained it to me so i'm kind of regurgitating what you're saying but so you want me to run through what happened yeah yeah yeah okay so basically he made a video about he had a tesla and then he had this car with a lidar instead of the cameras

because teslas use cameras to determine what's around them and lidar is so cool yeah it really is i played a simulation of it and then there was um a vehicle that had lidar and he was like showing the difference between how lidar works and how the cameras work and which one was better at like stopping if there was a child in the road so he had like this little dummy kid you know like a mannequin not just a kid who was dumb um he had a mannequin in the street and he'd like run the the auto

driving cars up to it and they would stop but like depending on if it was raining or you know he had a bunch of different variables in there and basically he was like sponsored by big lidar yeah yeah a lidar company he's uh was paying him so everyone kind of lost trust i believe he had stock in the company and there was a whole the whole thing i don't know the exact details but basically it just he didn't disclose and he's been caught in this before where he didn't disclose that he was being

paid uh by these companies to talk about their products um and i'm not like i said i'm not 100% on all this so all this is you know let's say allegedly i don't know yeah i don't know that the exact details of his deal with the lidar people but apparently a lot of people were very upset with them and that's one of the things that like our show i feel like we've kind of built a little bit of a rapport and some trust with our listeners however if we went bad and decided to shill for

somebody and sell their stuff but we did it in a smart way it would it would hurt worse than if we just did straight out didn't add yeah you know because if i know someone's sponsored by something i'm like oh okay so they'll have a bias towards this or this they're getting paid to do this because if like someone is sponsored by mio like the the water drops i know they're not gonna live like the next video be drinking like crystal light and like being like yo i got some crystal

light here you know right and then there's people like uh bandrew bandrew scott he has the uh show podcastage on youtube where he reviews microphones and whatnot and he's been on our previous show yeah he he was on uh fun fact friday uh he is extremely um he's very careful

about never he'll take free stuff from companies but like he always says you know i received this for free uh i wasn't paid for an opinion he's turned down i don't know what that popping is me neither happened a few times maybe we need to get it sounds like your mic line conditioner talking yeah maybe you're having an issue um you know well we'll see what happens we'll see if y'all can hear it tell us about it and sorry um but he's a very a stand-up guy and he's very very upfront about if

he receives any kind of compensation as you know products or i don't think he does like sponsored segments or anything um and one of his shows is actually his bandrew says podcast is actually value for value and it's on youtube he turned off all monetization on youtube uh because he wanted to go value for value and um i trust him yeah but i've also talked to him like a lot not in person because you know i hung out with him in person but a lot of you know off air not in the comments you know

private conversations i just trust him when it comes to reviewing stuff there's some youtubers and podcasters that i don't trust any of their reviews i watch their stuff just simply to see like like i'm looking at computer stuff okay what how much ram does this have what's the maximum capacity because that's all stuff i could go read that's nice when somebody tells it to you yeah but i don't trust

their their their bias on things even if you just get it for free and you're not getting paid to say good things about it just getting it for free you're kind of stoked about it you're like oh i want to keep sending me free stuff i might i might say something real nice about them sorry sorry i'm clicking a flashlight no it's not the clicking it's the light oh that i have a very good peripheral vision i can see you right now yeah yeah that's funny um but when when somebody breaks your trust

and they feel like they're your friend because they're in your ear once a week and then they break your trust it hurts worse than if it's you know up front the company is sponsoring this like most tv

shows back in the day especially existed because of ads you know they were called soap operas because the soap companies paid for them to be made what you didn't know that no i just thought they were called that for a silly silly name for silly name no the soap companies can't have meanings i don't know what companies it was back then but like the soap company paid for the entire episode of the soap opera

wow and oh my god every time anybody was using soap in the show or talking about cleaning things it was like the truman show you remember the truman show when like she holds up the product and says would you like some i haven't watched the truman show yet what no i've suggested it like three times during movie night and you're always like i could have swore you said you watched it with your nana no huh wish i had i really want to see it okay well watch it then i love that thank you um i just

wanted to watch something that we i thought you hadn't seen anyway anywho that that part of the internet the the loss of credibility for people like you you're you're more skeptical of people because you don't know up front what their intentions are we are very clear we don't do ads we're not shilling for any products ever um that being said that's this show yeah if some company said hey we're going to create a commercial we'd like y'all to star in it that's just us taking a job yeah you

know um there's no we're not putting any creativity into it it's just we're being a personality we're being actors right but i do watch like youtubers that have been sponsored buy things or have gotten promotion promotional items from shops like sir space man one of the cosplay youtubers that i you whoa youtubers that i watch she has like a serger and like three sewing machines the companies have sent to her for her to promote and she has like affiliate links

but that doesn't make me not like my singer sewing machine any less you know um but yeah there's you just have to i feel like if we wanted to tell you about a product and somebody like somebody sent us a product for free we would definitely tell you we got it for free we try not to let that affect our opinion of this thing but um they wanted our opinion on it so there is a really good sewing machine that she has though that's pretty cheap i'll tell you about it but start you an amazon wishlist

your birthday's next week it is um okay so one of the other questions we had here okay how do you and your friends use the internet okay so i of course talk to them over like what do you call it text yeah any instant messages instant messages uh i sometimes send them pinterest pens but like we me and my friends have different ways of using the internet because i have a lot of friends that use like instagram snapchat crap like that and they they can do that but they use it a lot more for

um like chatting with other people staying in touch drama you know stuff like that right but the internet for me like in comparison i binge watch crap i listen to stuff i do it's terrible what kind of stuff do

you binge watch um the game grumps so it's game grumps is essentially a podcast right yeah pretty much honestly i listen to people talking chess while i was hanging up a tapestry in my room earlier right like they're just silly guys yeah i listen to podcasts a lot and that's one of the things like i feel like with our listeners you get to know the people and you almost feel like you're hanging out

with them yeah and you're just being quiet i listen to podcasts when i'm cleaning or doing chores that are mindless and i do um i haven't last couple weeks i'm really behind on my podcast i've been listening to audiobooks because i've got a bunch of audiobooks i gotta catch up on um but yeah i've seen you been i've seen you working on something with your hands like crafting something but you've got some

youtube channel on and it's just somebody talking into the camera so it might as well be an audio podcast yeah but um i've seen you you do that and a couple of them are right right i've just recently started watching or listening to podcasts even though we've had like a podcast for so long i was like podcasts aren't aren't that great as you start as i star in a podcast that i've been starring in thousands of listeners yeah almost five years now yeah that's right that's crazy i was 10 when

this started about 15 in a week yep i think i'm gonna get my permit five years yep you'll be on the road um watch out so you're talking about listening podcast huh yes i i was uh i listened to like a couple different ones no promotion on this show to any other podcast get him out of here we should just go back and bleep out every other mention oh my gosh bleep out the bandrew part to bleep out curry and the keeper keep them keep them um but yeah so other than listening just listening to

things watching tv also music music is a huge part of my life i don't know if you could tell yeah you do enjoy the music and thing i like about what you do though is you you you're not only on the current music yeah you actually span back decades um so i like that that you actually brought your horizons a little bit every single genre like i've noticed not me i've noticed that a lot of people are like

i like every genre except for like country or i like every genre except for except for rap you know i appreciate every genre for what it is and i appreciate the good music and the bad music in it you know like i've started listening to more country and more rap because i want to broaden my horizons a little bit because i've been kind of standoffish against those two specifically right but i've realized hey this isn't that bad there's some very specific sub genres that i just can't listen to

certain times of types of techno um there's there's some ones that i just can't i can't handle yeah and that's fine generic pop like i'm trying to think of who who i can even sabrina carpenter yeah exactly stuff like that um i don't feel how it it feels very manufactured yeah which i agree there's a lot of manufactured music that doesn't quite sound manufactured but it is what it is it doesn't mean i won't jam out to sabrina carpenter once in a while i don't like taylor swift's whole

apparatus going on but a couple of her songs i enjoy listening to yeah if it comes on i'm not switching it you know yeah i also really enjoy all of the culture around music and just the lyricism the artistry i i could talk about music for days do you like keeping up with the artists and what they're

doing with their lives and who they're dating and all of that or do you just like as much as i say i i don't you do um i know all of the charlie xcx lore from when she was like like born to now oh my gosh because i'm making a presentation about it oh yeah i forgot about that i don't really keep up with like their dating lives and like where they are because i don't care celebrity gossip i can't i yeah it i i believe in the the concept of uh the death of the artist are you familiar with that

well i've heard of death of the author but that was a willwood thing well yeah that's death of the author it's the same thing yeah same so i really and you know say what you want about me i like green day i do not like reading anything about green day hearing anything about their their politics or their anything because i just want to listen to the music yeah um there's a lot of people that hate on jk rowling for some things that she said but they are conflicted because they love this harry

potter and the whole lore and the universe and the nostalgia of it and so they're torn between that because they don't want to enrich somebody they don't like politically but at the same time they love the creation so they hate the creator and love the creation oh yeah um so i can i can separate it in my brain i can separate it a lot too to a point yeah to a point but some of the artists i listen to are not role models like at all like if i could and they shouldn't be no absolutely not like

will would that is not a role model of a person right but he makes some really good music and i would love i would love love love to go see one of his shows one day very few people that a lot of people know their names that are good role models absolutely very few things that mr rogers ever did in public were controversial in any way it was generally a positive for the world um steve erwin same way and bob ross same way that i know of like i said there may be they may have said or done

something terrible i don't know about it you know but there's very few people out there that i would consider a role model everything i've heard about keanu reeves is that he'd be a good role model but yeah you don't know everything about him you know there's people can hide things i mean he's breathtaking no you're breathtaking love that stupid video oh wow there was an old martin short you knew martin short is he's a comedian comedian back in the day he did a stand-up special

and somebody in the whole group of people in the audience were like when he had was taking a sip of water or whatever they were like we love you martin and as soon as they said it he just pulled the the bottle away from his mouth he's like and i love you back oh my gosh he was so fast with it it's like he was waiting for somebody to do that uh wouldn't surprise me if it was a plant but uh and i love you back i hate stand-up comedians i'm sorry oh no i get it i get it i like some some of

them are so funny but right and i would love to go see a comedy show i just right i get it i know exactly what you're saying like you you want to watch them because sometimes they're funny but just the whole idea of it um so death of creativity and personal style oh yeah okay so i saw a video i'll try and remember to link it in the show notes like just like you're gonna link that mark robinson video um basically if you look back at the 50s the 60s the 70s 80s 90s if you saw somebody dressed

in a certain way you would know which of those decades they were coming from yeah like they all

of those decades had a very distinct style but after like 2000 the style when there's like everything looks the same like you we're you can watch the office any episode of the office and it's indistinguishable from what year it was made and that spanned like 10 years yeah so like i think that was a choice though in the office well in the office i mean they're all wearing suits and you know but they're hairstyles yeah and they're and like the whole look of everything nothing's really changed

style wise but i think that's because everything is a mashup of everything that's happened before yeah but i also feel like there is i've noticed a style change it's subtle though and it's not although i have like studied the style change right you have studied style and all that stuff but what i mean is it's not so drastic if you look at some like people dressed up in 50s outfits and the way houses were made in the 50s you can walk into a house that was made in the 70s

and say oh wow this has a whole 70s vibe yeah there was also so much fighting back then and there was so many movements you know and there's not really that much of that anymore because like women started wearing pants and there was the whole pants craze and that's when everything started going downhill apparently apparently did you hear they're letting women drive cars now do you hear that they're putting pockets in women clothing what do they have to carry around

their secrets that's genuinely why they didn't want women having pockets so they could put secrets in their pocket like no it's not yes it is watch the style theory video oh it's theory style theory yes i want to see evidence of this um no pockets make things make fabric sit funny and a long long time ago your pockets were separate from your dress yeah and that was so cool you had like pockets on underneath your clothes you like reach inside your clothes and put stuff in

your pockets um but it's still like a big deal when you get pockets in your pants oh i hear it all the time it's got pockets these pockets on these stupid pants look at what look at this i'm looking half of a hand no i know into this pocket right here it's because if the whole pocket was there there'd be like lines what do you see that you could see the pockets yeah i don't care i want to be able to fit my whole phone in my pocket Leila yes what if i told you that you are very good at

sewing and you have a sewing machine it's not that's not the point fabric that's not the point you shouldn't have to alter the i shouldn't have to alter my clothes well i'll tell you what as soon as women stop buying pants with no pockets they'll stop making them you go on strike that's what capitalism does for you yeah supply and demand but uh with the personal style i am a victim of this too i have been on the internet my entire life well entire but i have never really had my own personal

style and i'm trying to find that now because i've realized everyone not everyone most people get their style from the internet with what's popular or what's not popular or what's like in the alternative scene at the moment you know so since the beginning of time no since people had options on what to wear there's been style there's been keeping up with the person whoever was viewed as the coolest which for a while there was like you know royalty right people would emulate royalty

um that's why uh oh who is it i can't remember the style i was i gotta get that guy we can get that guy on as a guest where we went to a tour down in wilmington of this old old old old house and he was talking about how styles changed weekly back in like the 1700s 1800s in america and among the upper class people and it was so specific it was like you go to a dinner party and you know how the forks and

knives were supposed to be laid out yeah the style for that week would be that the the middle most fork would be flipped upside down and if you went to a party and they did not have that fork flipped that way they were on the outs on the cool scale oh my gosh there's a season unfortunate events book about this or with this as a side plot i want to get i want to get the guy who was doing that tour on the

show i've got his card um because i want to talk to him about that and basically they would have memes i mean it was you know wasn't drawing like they would have things like they would hold their hand a certain way while speaking and if they didn't everybody knew that they weren't cool and it was like that specific yeah so that kind of thing has always been around and then when you talk about styles all of them coming from the internet that's where everybody gets their information and their

entertainment and everything now so where else would it come from you know yeah um back in the day it was the people on tv if you saw the guys on hawaii 50 wearing something they were the coolest guys on tv so everybody was wearing hawaiian shirts for a little while and like miami vice and michael jackson and people look to whoever's the coolest and now people have like i was talking about the different subcultures on the internet everybody thinks that different people are the coolest so

fashion has splintered so widely because people are trying to emulate the people that they find cool then you have all of these like sub genres of style so there's not one cohesive society-wide style like there was in like the 80s you look at the 80s everybody dressed the same yeah you know i mean not everybody there was your business people they all dressed like the business people from the 80s there

was your cool guys they all dressed like cool guys there was your you know there was different scenes but it was like maybe four different type styles but you can always tell an 80s style versus a 90s style you know um yeah what's going on are you taking your mic apart we got so muted myself so you could talk about something other than me fixing my mic i was like talk okay people love hearing about technical issues as long as it doesn't go on

for like five minutes trying to come out oh okay i gotcha wasn't snapped in i was gonna talk about that that's probably my fault i was gonna talk about the um the book series of unfortunate events yeah ursat's elevator that's those name of the book in like a 13 book series where uh what's her name esme squalor she's like this real not she's really popular celebrity i guess you could call her but she's like the person in town and she

is told what's out and in and she is immediately changing everything it's really funny so like in 1984 yeah so she'll like read the paper and be like curtains are out and she'll like rip the curtains down so that happens in 1984 oh yeah there's a there's a part where um europa which is there's britannia and you're oh wow it's been too long i've forgotten the names there's there's multiple nation states there's multiple regions right and they're always at war

or peace with one or the other so like yeah it's really bugging me i can't remember the names of them but um britannia is at war with east asia right and east asia is the enemy so there's all this propaganda posters anti-east asia propaganda posters everywhere right well one day big brother decides that we're not at war with east asia we're at war with europa we've always been at war with europa we've never been at war with east asia they're our allies so this gets announced

and people immediately they're in the streets screaming about how much they hate east asia and immediately as soon as they hear that big brother said we've never been at war with east asia they're our allies they immediately who put up this propaganda that we're at war with east asia and they go start tearing down the posters saying that our enemies from eurasia have put up these propaganda posters to try and trick us to thinking that we're at war against east asia and it was like

an immediate flip the switch thing and i've seen this happen in american politics too where people are screaming one thing but then as soon as something happens and the messaging changes they're screaming the exact opposite and pretending they never screamed the first thing yeah and it's amazing to me it blows my mind but that sounds very similar to that and i think there's something in alice in wonderland too right where she wants to paint all the things red yeah like it's immediate but then

she's like i didn't tell you to paint those red yeah mind games but what i was saying about personal style before you right went off on your tangent because i was trying to butt in you just talking uh but i've found that style on the internet is not style in real life but it also kind of is because so many people rely on the internet and so many people go to the internet for what's popular i gotta get what's popular i gotta get the lululemon shorts but uh is that a pyramid scheme

uh probably wait no it's not it's just stores oh okay but i couldn't there was a there was a pyramid scheme similar to that yeah uh you just gotta be you man if you want to look to the internet for that sure go right ahead but also look to yourself for what you want to wear and what is you you have to be the you you are that's that's a severance reference um but here's the thing though what if you don't you don't have that creative streak to feel a certain way the thing is you do

i feel like everyone has creativity they just don't know how to harness it yeah and people don't vary to varying levels but then there's also like like me right let's take this for example what do i typically wear t-shirt and jeans exactly every day do you think that i'm just like oh you know what these people t-shirt and jeans they wear that they look cool you know no i wear jeans because i like the way they feel like you how often do you see me wearing shorts of any kind

even like around the house like once in like two months right it's hot because it's too hot or like all my jeans are in the wash yeah or it's a pajama day pajama don't have exactly um i like the way that it feels when i have jeans on so i do that i will wear whatever shirt is clean and fits yeah so typically like if i see one with a fun design oh yeah cool i'll grab that it does it fit yes and it'll be clean no problem yeah i don't like you know and i guess i'm just kind of being like cynical

because i'm i'm very focused on personal style and perception of other like myself in other people's eyes yeah you want to you want to know if you think it's cool you might think that other people might think that you're cool for wearing it yeah hey that looks cool you know i want people to look at me and see me for me you know you're trying to i think a lot of people do this you're trying to take something and show the world this is the thing that i like i like this aesthetic and a lot of the

things that go along with this aesthetic yeah because if you're wearing like a flowy pair of like the thin pants with the funky designs on them it shows that you're a little carefree yeah i wear those once in a while they're cool right like hippie clothes kind of put off a certain vibe that everybody instantly gets what's that someone asked me if i was a hippie the other day yeah i was like sure whatever you perceive me as man i wear deodorant and shave my armpits i'm not hippie

um and that's the thing some when somebody's wearing certain clothes people will assume certain things about you if you were all goth stuff some people are just going to avoid you because the last goth that they dealt with was super cringy goth person or their parents are like goth people are bad exactly yeah you can get dungeons and dragons that's the devil satanic panic of the 80s i remember i remember

it um i love saying that what dungeons and dragons that's the devil that's the devil it does have some some devilish stuff in it but it's all fantasy it's a it's a and yeah it's the thing is it's a dragons is what you make of it it's a battle system and you can make all of the bad guys yeah it's a method um but no when i say dnd i'm thinking i'm talking about like all of the tabletop rpgs i just kind of shorthanded as dnd because people know what you're talking about i need to start a

campaign yeah we should we should start a um tabletop rpg it doesn't even have to be dnd we can come up with our own little dice system i did it did it before um i have my little group i want to start it with cool let's get it get it rolling yeah let's get it rolling so um you were you also wanted to talk about the monetization of media yeah we touched on it earlier okay that's that's good okay so the thing i don't like about the internet and i'm not being super cynical trying

to be super cynical or negative about everything but one of the things i don't like is when it comes to like the monetization like so i'm really into free and open source software i'm into self-hosting

things and this is where it's going to get nerdy so if you're not into computer stuff networking stuff all that you can bail out now have a great week we'll see you next time okay only the nerds are left let's let's get into this if you have any questions Leila like anything just uh throw another so here's what i've been doing i'm trying to get everything working on our network and i'm watching a lot of these youtube channels about like self-hosting

your own media servers and things like that well i've got plex up and running for our our media so that's where we can we can have our tv shows movies things like that and then we can also have our music and uh there's some cool apps that go along with that plex is a company i'm sorry uh plex is a company you don't like plex amp no i hate it i've never used it i like the app on the phone but i don't like how it acts on the on the in the car i just use youtube music and youtube music's

fine i mean we pay for it so um but with plex amp or plex it's a company and there's another one called jellyfin which is all open source but it requires a lot more setup uh plex is really nice because you have your sign in and you don't have to like open up ports on your router to allow traffic to come in and out so you can access it outside the home um if you set it to that's yeah if you set it to do that but with jellyfin you have to do all that stuff with you know a reverse proxy and all

that but there's no company out there that's being a middleman and you know can see what's in your library and stuff like that we only have all legitimate media in our library of course of course um and then on top of the media server i've got what's called a pie hole i've got two of them oh they're amazing the pie hole is a whole network ad blocker and how does that work that works by not allowing traffic from certain sources and there's these huge lists that you can download

of all of the sources of ads so the the way that it works though is that the ad comes in and pie hole stops it from getting to your device so the server that's serving the ad thinks that we're watching the ad you can also block websites yeah you can also block i mean you can do that on your router too but you can block any domain uh you can block regions of the world you can also do your local dns which is really nice because if i want to type in Leila's computer instead of the ip

address of her computer to log in and do some remote stuff i can set that there and have have it to where i don't have to remember all these ip addresses or have a list i can just type in um you know minecraft server and press enter and i can get into the minecraft server that's really nice and that runs through the pie hole too well i've got two pie holes in case one fails and they both sync up once a day so if i make any changes on one it goes to the other um and that's on two separate

devices i've got this thing called it's an orange pie it's like a raspberry pi computer but it's smaller and cheaper and faster um and harder and better and stronger yeah and faster um so i've got a couple of those running but what i'm doing is i've taken my pc which is like my main server which is the one that we do the podcast post processing and the video creation and the um show notes and chapters

and all that on and i've taken the two orange pies which were on usb power and i've taken the usb headers the little pins on the motherboard that you can extend out to have extra usb ports on the outside of the case but i've just put them inside the case so i've got the two i've got the orange pies mounted inside the computer case and then i 3d printed a keystone jack uh pcie slot or you know the the slot on the back of the computer that would have you know video card ports or ethernet ports

whatever if there's a card there but it just has pass-throughs for ethernet so i can plug an ethernet cable into each side of it so the little computers inside the big computer can have ethernet like in in the movie we watched as computers in my computer um so then i also have what's called a kvm it's a pi kvm it's a pi hole what does it stand for uh pi kvm is keyboard video mouse i believe oh yeah keyboard video mouse so basically it lets me control a computer remotely as if i were

sitting at it it has a usb that goes into the usb of the computer an ethernet cable that goes into the ethernet or into the kvm port so i can remotely virtually press the power button of the computer so the computer can be completely off but i can send a signal that the computer receives as me physically pushing the button which means i can get into the bios of the computer remotely and it's really cool so i've got that in there and i've got the motherboard of the main pc set up to

where the power to the usb ports is always on and i'm going to set up to where i can power off and on the mini computers inside the main computer remotely still working on that whole process but on top of all that physical stuff i've got my video game servers and then i'm using what's called proxmox and you've seen me use proxmox it's where you can have virtual computers inside of your main computer yeah so like if you've got a quad core processor i can have four one core computers loaded up

all with different different operating systems different ip addresses everything so it's as if i have four computers and didn't you even use a proxmox that was linux and you have a windows yeah yeah you can uh you can set up any operating system on the fake computers that you want and just log into them remotely and it's just a whole it's a whole fake computer and you can just roll it up delete it turn it on turn it off it's it's really neat but i'm running uh heimdall which is

a a dashboard program that has all of your local services on it and oh my gosh let me see what what do we have running here what do we have here um i've got an ai whisper program for the audio transcription of this show that you're listening to right now um i've got audio bookshelf which has all of our audio books that we've purchased legally from audible we have used our drm key to rip them to be able to play on audio bookshelf because we legally own them um but i want to be able

to listen to them in audio bookshelf and not just on the audible app so i removed the drm from them which may or may not be i mean i bought them so i've got them they're mine um a license in perpetuity we have the umbral which is how we get our bitcoin stuff uh what else do we have on here plex piehole yeah i think i've kind of gone through most of the stuff we have um it's really neat i'm hoping to put together an episode just about this and do like a really deep

dive into it to get anybody up to speed if anybody wants to go through any of this stuff with me how i would like to do tutorial videos is me to actually help someone set it up because i feel like that's how i speak the best is when i'm teaching so may may go through and do that um yeah audio bookshelf for our books um plex for our tv shows and movies and music and then um oh my gosh what my home room teacher didn't know what digital media was the other day

didn't know what she didn't know what digital media was but i mean when somebody told her like nobody else did nobody else knew either except for me does nobody just call it that or no nobody calls it that apparently we had a lesson on safety with safety on digital media and um like digital media addictions and like my home room teacher was like yeah i don't know if they just meant like social media but i don't know

what digital media is so i mean it's pretty self-explanatory digital you know what media is it's media that's digital you know what media is that's what i said i don't think my home room teacher likes me very much and i kind of see why that's okay it's okay let's not talk about too much about school she made sausage balls oh my gosh were they good yes oh i had some sausage and peppers at the uh pizza place tonight it was really good yeah all right i think uh i think that's it if

anybody wants to hear more about the network stuff i'm doing some really neat stuff i have been taking a lot of pictures so i have some visuals um hopefully i'll put them in the chapters and um wow it's it's getting it's getting nerdy in here oh we'll just put it like that everybody have a fantastic week uh we'll be getting on a a more frequent release schedule here pretty soon

hopefully hopefully and uh i think i think that's about that's about it right yeah we'll see y'all next time everybody have a good one next one will be Leila's birthday yeah bye