1 - Generation Gap

Hey everybody. Hey. Welcome to Everything's in Arguments. This is a brand new show. We are going to be just talking about whatever we want. We will be discussing current events and how the generations particular... Wow. Yeah, I told you. I told you it wasn't long enough. That theme song is way too short. We're going to have to lengthen that. Exactly. You're like, it's way too long. We're going to be talking about the generation gap. I

am a cusper between Gen X and Gen Y. I consider myself like mentally Gen X, but I was born in 82, so that kind of puts me on the cusp there. Oh, I'm David. Oh, yes. I'm Leila. I am his daughter. And how old are you? I'm 14. I'm almost 15. Right. And you are on the cusp of Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Right. According to some charts, most charts say that I'm Gen

Z, but I do kind of consider myself across between them. Right. And we're just going to be talking about the differences of when I was growing up and when she's growing up, and back in my day. Yeah. But we're going to be discussing current events, our opinions on those current events. And some not so current events. Yeah. We're going to be talking about old stuff, stuff that happened a long time ago. We're going to be talking about stuff

that is going to happen in the future. Definitely 100%. Totally. But yeah, we hope you'll enjoy the ride. We have already got some guests in the works to talk to about a couple of topics we've already gotten laid out and we're researching. So everything's in arguments. The argument can mean me and her are going to argue about topics. Or it can mean just an argument like in a essay. Right. This is an argument for this. This is an argument against this. And also

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that's how we're funded. But yeah, let's, let's get into the, we first wanted to talk about generations in general. The episode name is Generation Gap. In general generations, general relations. General relations. I got there. I got there. And we kind of wanted to go through the generations that are still kind of around. I know that there's, there are generations, there's some really, really old people out there. We get that. But

Past boom. We're going boomers to alpha right now. Right. Not like silent, like everything past that. We have no business talking about like hundred year olds. Right. There's none that we could, I mean, there are some, but I don't know how we get ahold of them to interview them. I don't know how, you know, so we are going to have it boomers on. We're going to have Gen X on Gen Y, Gen Alpha. Yes, of course. Everything. We're going to run the gambit. We want this show to be more

talking about our opinions on stuff. And well, like, just, we have a thing that we're going to do. I don't know if we want to do. We want to say right now. Sure. Okay. We have a series that we're going to do on the show named Who Do You Trust? Right. And we're going to get philosophical. And if you've ever wanted us to pick each other's brains about things,

if you're coming from Fun Fact Friday, yeah. We know that we've got some fans. We love y'all. And they, we've had them asking us to do a more candid show, a less produced, less, you know, a little more stream of consciousness. That's kind of what this is. This is kind of a stream of consciousness. We have some notes. This is going to be more actual research time put into the show. Cause on Fun Fact Friday, we would just find a website and read off of it and talk about

it. But we had a good time. Well, we had a really good time. This is more off of our, off of our dome, but also things we're interested in. And we, yes. We have, we, I built a, okay. You gotta turn that up. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on. And you can do this with it. Hold on. Oh my gosh. I was playing with this before the show. Thank you. Tim Allen. He's actually in the studio with this. And he learned to modulate his voice like that. It's amazing. We should get Tim Allen on the show.

I'll see, I'll see what I can do. Yeah. So I wanted to go through our first episode here. I wanted to go through and talk about the generations boomer down to alpha and get our opinions on how we see them just in our brain before we start talking about them, before we start talking to them, just kind of our, our knee jerk reaction when somebody,

you know, is a certain age, what we assume about them, which we both know we shouldn't do. Yes, of course. But we all have, both of us have boomers, gen, gen X, millennials, gen Z and generation alpha in our lives and we communicate with them. So like, we know that not all of this specific demographic is going to be like our assumptions. Exactly. Exactly. So let's go. Let's start with the old folks. Yes. Baby boomers, baby boomers are 1940,

born 1946 to 1964. I like to give like a four or five year buffer on either the beginning and the end of that because people, I grew up a little older doing things, hanging out with people older than me, doing things that were really above my age, quote unquote limit, which is kind of why I consider myself more of a Gen Z than alpha. Right. Because I don't really hang out with people younger than me all that much at all. Yeah. And you do hang out with a lot of folks older than you

and whatnot. So, okay. So boomers, 46 to 64. How do you feel when you, when you see a boomer,

obviously not the people in your life because you know them and love them or whatever. So when you just see a person who's like older, like your grandparents age, what are you, what are you thinking about boomers? Oh, crap. I think in like the back in my day mentality of like, Oh, we did this back, back when I was, when I was young and it worked, it worked decently. So why don't people just do that now? When obviously there's more ways to do

it and there's more innovation now that can make it so much easier or so much better. So so many people, Oh, back in my day it worked. So we should do that. That's kind of what I sketched down for myself. I put down, they're setting their ways a lot of times they have their way of doing it. And it's kind of the, we've always done it this way mentality. Yeah. And there's almost a resistance to learning new things. Yeah. Yeah. We agree on this. The no real intent on learning new ways.

Right. And that's what I wrote down. I've been, I've worked with a lot. I went to college with some boomers because at the community college there, they're there, they're wanting to learn a new skill or whatever. Yeah. And we would be in the computer classes and trying to teach them something was like, it was like pulling teeth. Yeah. I was going to write down that they like are not internet literate and I don't intend on it to like, they don't want to be because they

are like, Oh, the internet. Yeah. Right. Who cares about the internet back in my day. Right. My day, we didn't have the internet worked. And to talk to people, to their credit, most of the boomers that I know, and I mean, obviously they're a lot older now, so it's less of a thing, but like 20, 30 years ago, even if they were starting to get a little older, they still had no problem rolling up their sleeves and doing some hard work. Yeah. There was,

there was a, the doing the work is the reward mentality. Um, you know, a good, a good hard day's work is its own reward sort of thing. And I get that. I see that because I'll go out and I'll work in the yard and get, get some good exercise and sun. And you feel when you do something real in the real world, like you go out and chop some wood or you fix your brakes or like things that actually affect the real world, not just this digital stuff like you and me are doing right now. Digital style.

Digital style. Um, it does give you a, um, a sense of satisfaction. Yeah. A good, oh wow. I really worked hard today. I did a good job. My blood's pumping. I was sweating real hard. Um, does give you a sense of satisfaction, especially if you build something. Like when I finished the back porch, I recently added a roof and screen to our back porch. So it's a screened in porch now. And I'll tell you that, that the sense of accomplishment I had from

that. And it wasn't that big of a deal. It was met what? 10, two by fours and some, some paint and so a little bit of plywood and some roofing. And I did, you know, did it all myself, a little bit of help from friends and family, but, um, that yeah, I really felt really accomplished with that. And it's great. We can go outside on the back porch. It's nice. It's really nice. A lot less

bugs. I know. Right. But yeah, that's, that's kind of how I feel about boomers as well. So they, they just had this, the way we, the way we've always done it mentality and they, they don't like change because things works, you know, it works, works well for us. Why are we going to change it? Even if it could work better, even if it could work better, but they don't, they're like, well, it worked. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. That's what I was going to write. If it

ain't broke, don't you know how many times I heard, I heard that growing up all the time. Um, so yeah, that, that, okay. So let's, let's move it, move it down. Let's move it down.

Gen X. Oh, what do you think? Gen X is 1965 to 1980. And again, five year buffer. I consider myself gen X. I feel like generate generation X is the single best generation that's ever, no, I'm just kidding. I wrote in my section, they think they're the best thing to exist. Just compared to, you know, three or four generations up or down. That's all. Um, no, there, there is a strong, I'll do it my way mentality. Um, we, we were raised by the boomers.

Right. The boomers were off working or, you know, whatever. And they, they kind of had like a, you know, go out and play thing. So we went out and played and we would get into trouble, but then we would have to figure out ways to not get, or, you know, not get each other hurt or I can't, I, we, there really wasn't a lot of supervision when I was growing up. Oh, not a lot at all. I knew friends who would get off, get off the school bus and their parents

wouldn't get home for four or five hours. Yeah. Uh, latchkey kids. Yeah. I wrote in my section, they supposedly don't care, but it allowed us internet, allowed us on the internet about not caring because I've on the internet, I have never seen a generation care more about what other generations think about them than a Gen X. They're always like, okay. Oh, Gen Z y'all hate us. We don't care. But they say that like every, every day. Here's the thing you're, you're going off of

what you saw on the internet. Yes, of course. So that is, it's, it's an extremely non Gen X thing to do. It's get on the internet and tell us about how much you don't care and how big and bad Gen X was and all this stuff. Um, so a super Gen X thing to do that I've seen is talk about Gen X and talk about generations. Okay. Generations are such a social thing.

Well, yeah, that's, that's what defines the generations, unless you're just strictly talking about age, but when you're talking about, and you have to give them names and attributes. Um, yeah, I've seen quite a few of the, oh, we were Gen X. We drank out of the water hose. Hahaha. So I wrote, okay. Here's what, here's verbatim what I wrote in the Gen X section. Supposedly don't care, but it allowed us on the internet about not caring. Hose water, dirt, M&M,

they think the best thing ever to exist. Now, these are influencers. Yes. The vast majority of people I know from Generation X mind their own business. That's that is the, the overwhelming. And even when I was in like high school, like the, you know how there's always groups in high school, you've got your, your jocks and your geeks and you're all your stereotypical, right?

In Gen X, everybody kind of just did their own thing. Like when I was in high school, ever, there were the groups, don't get me wrong, but there wasn't a lot of like, oh, the jocks feel like they have to pick on the nerds. No, they just did their own thing. And people, there was a lot less tension between groups and between people. Because I feel like we all kind of had the, I grew up on a military base. So all of the groups were like, oh,

military base. So all of the kids that I knew that went to my school were all military kids. So we all lived on base. And you all had something, something in common. Right. And we also had the, the threat of, we don't know when we're moving. Sorry. I haven't been on mic in a while. I'm not used to this. Yeah, it's been a month and a half, two months. So we, we, growing up on the base, so we're always seeing each other. We all lived in the same, and we all have always had

this threat of we don't know when we're going to get shipped out. Because the military says, my dad has to, we have to move to Alaska. We have to move to Alaska. There's no arguing. So at any given time, your best friend may just leave. So like, you didn't want to get too grouped into one particular group of friends, because they all may have moved next month, next month,

when there's a big, you know, they, they were shifting people around the military. So I, the way I saw things may be different than the way the greater world saw things at the end of Generation X there. Yeah. But from the folks that I know that are 10, 15 years older than me, and like solidly in Gen X, it's very much a, you do your thing, I'll do mine. I don't, I don't care what you're doing. As long as you're happy and you ain't

hurting me. But the not having parents to help you do things, having to rely on your friends to get through stuff. I feel like that it, the main part of the generation is who raised them. Yes. And how they were raised. And Gen X kind of raised itself. And MTV raised it and TV. And you know, which is we're going to have a whole series on the media, but, yeah. So that's took a little longer on Gen X because I am Gen X and we'll, we'll jump into the

eccentricities and intricacies of everything. Well, this is, I'm most curious about your opinion on anything about millennials, the generation between me and you. Okay.

I have a lot of notes on this one. What do you have about it? So the experience I had with millennials is mostly in a work setting because having been a boss, I've been a management in a lot of places. I've been, you know, higher up in companies. So I dealt with hiring and firing. I dealt with, uh, disciplining things like that. And I feel like millennials

have a, um, had an entitlement and they feel like they want things. And I'm going to go, I want to do a whole episode about fairness, but they have a fairness, like everything needs to be fair. But the problem is, is that it's a fairness of outcome, not a fairness of starting point. Does that make sense? Yeah. Um, so when, when I was dealing with millennials in the workplace, um, and another thing about millennials is they have the ones that I've dealt with, obviously.

And from what I see online, they have trouble looking past, looking one step deeper into things. Yeah. And that's kind of what I wrote about Gen Z, but I guess millennials also have that kind of mentality. Yeah. They don't research stuff. They just take it to face value and run with it. Right. And they'll take, and this bleeds into Gen Z, which I'll talk about, but they don't question authority as much as they should. Yeah. Um, it was hammered into Gen Z or Gen X

to a question authority, you know, I mean, yeah. So we were, we were coming up 1984, you know, and then you look at 1984 and so anywho, um, the, the, the media got more free and people started. Oh, another thing I wrote about Gen X looping back. Um, I forgot to talk about this and I do want to talk about this. Gen X straddled the digital divide. Like we use the card catalog in the library and we also used the computer in the library to look stuff up. We saw the beginning of

the internet becoming a big thing and we've moved all the way into it being what it is now. So we grew up as computers grew up. We are young enough to know how computers work and old enough not to trust them. So, um, we've seen how badly computer mess ups can mess things up. We've seen all that. And we just don't trust them quite as much as maybe your generation does. And we'll go into that later. But back to millennials that they trust authority a little too much for my taste.

They feel a little too entitled, but not in the right way. Um, if you work hard and you do the things you're supposed to do and sometimes, and I feel like millennials and maybe even Gen Z have this, um, sometimes you have to eat crap, you know, you got to eat a little bit of crap for a little while, but then you showing your boss, you're willing to do that every once in a while. Like don't let them walk on you. Don't let them step all over you. But every once in a while, you know,

and if the company does good, you do good typically. And if you don't, if that's not the situation, you need to find, you get a better contract with your company that you're working for and say, listen, you know, we got to figure out some kind of profit sharing or something, you know? Um, and they millennials, I feel like that I've dealt with always feel like they should be able to either a pass the buck and like not like they don't want to do something

because it might get them in trouble. So they'll try and pass that job onto somebody else, not because they're afraid of doing the work, but because they're afraid of doing it wrong and getting in trouble or losing their job or something. Um, so they'll try and pass the buck so they can pass the blame. You're coming at this at of more work. Yeah. Sorry. I'm coming at this more of a social standpoint. Well, I'm just going from my personal experience. Yeah. And

that's pretty much the only way that I've experienced millennials is in the workplace. Yeah. And as being the, you know, above them, not, not actually above them, but you know, my position in the company was above theirs. I don't think I'm above anybody. Um, yeah. Okay. So you talk about, you talk about my notes for millennials is the first, first thing I had that came to my mind about millennials is Disney. Of course. My mic down to get a drink. Yes. But Disney adults is like the

main thing you hear about millennials on, on the internet from what I've heard. And also like all of the, they, oh my gosh, I can't speak. They grew up around the usage of social media becoming what it is today. Like MySpace, Facebook, all that stuff was coming, coming up and they were at the forefront of it. They shaped the styles of that time, but they also look back on it now and we're like, Oh, that was cringe. That was so cringe, but it was just like the culture of the moment.

Uh, I also wrote Taylor Swift. Everybody looks back at when they were teenagers and kids and they're like, Oh my gosh. Cause I look at the eighties, the late eighties, early nineties. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, what were we wearing? Yeah, it was, it was cool then, you know, fanny packs and, uh, and like sunglasses with pink, hot pink rim, you know, rims on them. And oh my gosh. Good. Didn't you? But, uh, you keep turning your mic down. Uh, Taylor Swift is another thing

that I wrote. Uh, millennials seem to have a very big attachment to like Taylor Swift in her music. And I'm like, okay, that's, that's all right. You can, you can stop. You can stop now. Well, every, every generation has its pop culture. Yes, of course. Um, Gen X, like I said, MTV action movies. Um, cause I mean, the eighties was full of action movies and corny movies and, and all that. Um, the late nineties, early two thousands was Disney. I mean, Disney, Pixar.

Now Disney owns pretty much entertainment. Um, the biggest, all the biggest stuff is Disney. What's star Wars, Marvel, um, Disney itself, Pixar, that whole, that whole cadre of stuff is just, um, yeah, that's a, they own pop culture. Yeah. But I see a lot of millennials having like season passes to Disney getting married to Disney or getting engaged to it. Disney, you know, going there like every, every weekend with their kids or not with their kids,

just with their partner, like just on one hand enjoy things. I like seeing people in like being happy with their life, but also like it's a corporation. You're just giving your money to a corporation and like, why? So, okay. Do you think, do you think that it's obviously every, everything comes down to who raised them. Um, do you feel like they're, they weren't pushed to see the reality of the world and maybe they were coddled a little too much. I do think that

and they don't grow up. Um, not that you can't watch Disney stuff and love it as a grownup, quote unquote healing their inner child. Right. Constantly. Constantly. And like every other like weekend, right. Going to Disney, drinking all the drinks, going to every park. And I feel like that might be, so the boomers when they were raising, when they were raising their kids, I feel like they were, it was kind of a, um, you know, uh, all right, you're 14, go get a job,

you know, and Gen X was like, Oh man, that sucked. Right. And cause the not having parents around all that. And they were like, you know what, when we have kids, we're going to have a millennial kids and we're going to be nicer to them and we're going to, we're going to hug them more. And it's good. That's a good thing. But at some point you also have to teach them, Hey, you know what? The real world sucks. It's like, you need to, you need to toughen up a little bit. Um, so it

was kind of like an overcorrection maybe. Yeah. I also think that Gen Z or Gen X doing that to the millennials also led into the Gen Alpha kids. Right. And we'll get there. Well, we'll get there, but I have a lot to say on the Gen Alpha and millennial like stuff. Okay. Okay. Gen Z. Let's get into Gen Z. Do you feel like we've covered millennials enough? Yeah. All right. And we are talking in generalities. And if you

want to argue with us about any of this stuff, we are down. Let us know. Mail at argument, pod.com. We're talking in generation. Yeah. We're talking generational alleys. Generational alleys. Okay. So where are we at? Where are we at? Gen Z. Gen Z.

I got, I got, maybe they just didn't like Gen Y. Why, why'd they go millennials instead of just Gen Y? I don't even know. Maybe because of the, the millennia, the turn of the century, they're like, Oh, Oh, we got to talk about that movie. Why two K. Anyway, Gen Z. So I've got, let me see what I wrote here. Um, Gen Z I've got sensitive to a fault. Um, they're scared to rock the boat, which can lead to becoming pushovers. Uh, they rarely question authority.

They have a strong social justice mentality. Uh, but they're also, uh, to their credit, there is a string of rebellion. The edgy is going to be strong with them as they grow, as they grow older. I also think all of that is a result of being born to Gen X and millennials. Um, I guess it wouldn't be drawn to millenia. It depends on age of the millennials. Cause yeah,

anyway, generational. So yeah, I've got sensitive to a fault because the kids a little bit older than you, I've, I've dealt with them a little bit and they are, they're, they're sensitive. They're very sensitive about like, Oh, you can't, you know, Oh, um, your, your generation definitely doesn't rock the vote. Rock the vote, rock the boat, rock the boat. Um, and when you don't rock the boat, you can become a pushover and it's being sensitive. Also, if I know that somebody

sensitive, you could, I mean, I know I could manipulate them. We were also told to like, respect our elders and like, don't question your elders and like, do what they say, which also led to us being like that. Is that what I taught you? No, but your people, yes. And I have been told by elders and older people, like, especially in school, like when I was younger, uh-huh, always respect your elders, always listen to what they say, do what they say, you know,

right. And we were taught that as we were told to respect our elders, but we are also told, and this is just me personally, that, yeah. And that's a respectful thing. That is very respectful. I, I feel kind of bad because I've never done that with y'all, but well, we, we, we have a very different fan, our family, we do things our way and, um, but we, we also, when we are sending you to spend the night at a friend's house or go to a friend's house, we tell you, say, sir and ma'am,

being, you know, be better than you are at home, basically. Yeah. Um, I can pretend like I'm nice. I love you. I can pretend like you're respectful. No, being respectful towards your elders. I feel like that's good. Right. But we were also taught, don't, don't trust them. Like don't trust everything they say, because they may be a weirdo, you know, they may try and get you to get in their van. But I've like been on call with my friends before and I, y'all ask me something and I'm like,

huh? And they're like, why don't you just say like, sir, I don't really know. I've never really done that. Well, if you did that to it, if you did that to somebody like, like your granddad, you're, we've taught you to be a little more respectful because his generation, that's a big thing. Yes, sir. Right. And which I respect y'all too. I just do it in a different way. And a lot of parents, like, um, like if your friend's parents, if you went over there and you were like,

you know, yes ma'am, I know you have to worry about that. Then like the rules are different for every everybody now. But I always go the most respectful way. And then if they say, oh, it's fine. I'll wait. Right. I always knock it down. I respect my elders until they give me a reason not to. And then they just become a person. I'm going to treat them badly. Like I treat everybody. I wrote for Gen Z, okay, glued to their phones, pop culture. I just wrote pop

culture because it's so like, this blank situation is crazy. Like we all, we care, we care too much about everything. Oh, stick a pin in that. I'm going to come back to that. Yes. We idolize celebrities, judge everyone for everything impacted by COVID in their school years. That's what I,

that's the other thing I wanted to say. That's a big one. Yeah. That was a very big one. They, and I was also one of these, but it was more in my elementary years and middle school, which did affect a lot, but the older Gen Z that got affected like in high school,

early high school or late high school. Graduation. Yeah. That really affects someone's life, you know, not having a normal high school experience really does affect a generation, but they never really take, whoa, never really take the time to research something. Which is also what I said for millennials. Yeah, totally. But that's what I wrote about Gen Z. I think COVID has a lot to do with the way that their generation acts. Their generation,

I say like I'm not a Gen Z. Yeah. So the, not taking the time to research something that I was going to put something like that for the millennials part also. It's the one level deep research. Cause they will, even if somebody does go to research something, they will just Google it or ask AI. Like spot content on the internet. Oh my gosh, I can't hear it. And they'll just take whatever the first answer is and be like, Oh, that's the truth. Exactly.

Like, Oh my gosh. And while it may be truth, it's not the whole truth. What? No, I just closed out two of my chats by accident. Oh no. All right, we're good. There's a button for that. Yeah, I did. I re-opened them. So the moist critical. So we talked about how, how much content he produces and how like Gen Z will take that. I'm not saying the whole generation. That's kind of what I'm talking about with the generation

though. They'll just take it at surface level. Yeah. They take it at surface level. They watch a video about this one person being terrible and like, Oh, in their mind, that person is terrible because they didn't research it themselves. Well, they'll look at something that is that let's say, let's say there's a, there's a claim, and they're like dubious about it. So the claim is a six million people were at, at in Spain on this day, right? Just, I'm just making up whatever.

Six million people were in Spain on this day. Somebody says that. And then they don't like the person that said it, for example. So they won't believe it. So let's say Trump, right? Cause a lot of people don't like Trump. Well, yeah, this will come into the hoodie trust. Trump says, Oh, there was, there was 200,000 people at my inauguration. It was the biggest inauguration ever. It was amazing. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. And then somebody's like, he lied.

And people like, Oh wow. He lied. I can't believe he lied. He lied. Well, there was 198,500 people. So he rounded it up to 200,000. Right. And I'm just using Trump. These numbers are not right. I'm just making stuff, something up to give an example. Most of the media likes to dog on politicians and stuff like that. Right. But what will happen is somebody will see the headline Trump lies. Yeah. And they won't go look at what the lie is. And even if they don't do go

look at the, what the lie is, they don't actually go look at the source material, right? They look at Snopes or some debunking site that it says false at the top of the screen. But if you actually read down, it's only false because it was a slight exaggeration or something that if you were having a conversation with a real human, it wouldn't matter. And even in the context, it doesn't even matter. You know, like this costs us $8 billion when it was 8.01. You know? Yeah. So the, I'm

going, it's just the reason. Ooh, good one. Bless you. Hope you heard that. Yeah, I'm sure it came to him on the mic. Yeah. The, um, it's just the not going to the source of the information to look things up. People will take what a bill says. Right. Information. Like a bill that's got hearsay. Yeah. They will take what, um, what a bill says. They'll take the name, the cute little name that

they give to bills and they'll take that as what it, what the bill actually is. And they won't actually go read the bill that's going to become a law when the media is the one that just, and that comes to who you, who you can trust. This, this review trust series is going to be great. We should have named the whole podcast. Who do you trust? I really, I really like that name. So we're going to do a whole series about it, but it will run out of, uh, run out of steam.

So yeah. Okay. So yeah. Gen Z Gen Z I've got, I think we've, we've kind of covered Gen Z. They, and we'll go back over it if we forgot something, but yeah, I do see Gen Z putting out some content that's it's, Oh, this is what I said. Put a pin in. They put out stuff, but with the pop culture and like you were talking about the different YouTubers and stuff, they won't censor themselves because something is bad to talk about. And somebody might hear it. That's sensitive to it.

Or they don't censor themselves for those reasons. They censor themselves to appease the algorithm. I hate it. I hate it so much. I hate it so much. Listen, these kids, these kids, all over my lawn and they won't say the word murder. They won't say the word kill literally. Just, Oh my gosh. They won't say those. They say little cute little phrases that mean murder, like unalive. Yeah. They won't say gun. They'll say pew pew. Exactly. They are talking about like

a true crime case. Just, just say they were murdered. Say they were killed. It's like, Oh my God, the algo won't promote their video. Lila. They won't promote the video. Oh wow. Okay. So we're gonna, I'm so mad about it. We'll talk about promoting, promoting the algorithm in our value for value segment. Um, so why don't you go ahead and start talking about Jen alpha. I need to look something up in my email. Okay. So Jen alpha,

they are the kids of millennials and few Gen Z. Hold on. I think I'm a little, okay. There we go. They were raised with the internet or by the internet pretty much. Uh, but they're also like always doggone for being dumb, independent on the internet. They were raised by it. They didn't have a choice. They millennials. Into the mic. I'm aware. You keep looking at me. I know. They can still meet me. He's fine. Uh, millennials are kind of at fault for that or that they're parents,

Jen alpha's parents. Right. So late, later, older Gen X and younger. What I'm saying is generation alpha is not responsible for themselves right now. Like they shouldn't be at fault for how they're acting or being on the internet at such a young age. That should be on the parents. Like I have, um, a friend that didn't get a phone until this year and she's my age. So that's honestly, I kind of agree with that. Right. You know, like you don't need the internet. It is not a

you need thing. I get having to call someone or something like that, but there's every single person around you has a phone. Yep. You can ask someone, Hey, can I use your phone? I need to call my mom real quick. That's a, that's a tip. John C. DeBorac always gives. Yeah. Everybody else has a phone. Oh no, he has a smartphone and he leaves it in his drawer though. And he doesn't take it out with him and he goes out. Yeah. Which so he has a hold on. Right. But he does have it. He keeps in

a drawer. Yeah. But I'm saying like, uh, I've watched so many videos about, cause I am a victim to the stupid commentary YouTube, but, um, like Jen alpha is so dumb. They don't know how to read. They're, I'm, I'm a school teacher and I don't, all of my students don't know how to read. They're on a seventh grade reading level and they're in 12th grade, you know, like just, that's the school's fault. Exactly. That's the school's fault. No, honestly,

it's the parents fault because a parent shouldn't be trusting the school. Exactly. Um, parents should be teaching their children how to read and not just watch a YouTube video all day. And I also wanted to talk about, um, the Sephora kids. Exactly. So I, I, I thought that you wouldn't know what this is. So I have like a whole, uh, thing prepared about, I have so many opinions on Jen alpha and how they were raised and like how

they're presented on the internet. I do not think that anyone under the age of like 15 should be on the internet or have social media in general. I am 14 almost 15. How much social media do you have? Like zero. You do have a master on account, but you haven't been ever logged into it. I have messages and I have Pinterest. That's all I have. And I'm okay with that. And that's messages is text messages, not, not, not some like Facebook. Right. I

genuinely don't even like think that kids should be on the internet. I understand if you are that's on your parents, that's your decision. That's your, that's your parents' decision, but also like, you know, get off my lawn, my lawn being the internet. Exactly. No, it's bad. And that's, you can't trust the media and the internet is media now. Yes. CNN, Fox news, even though Fox news does a lot more than CNN numbers wise, that's going to fall off as the

older people fall off. Your condition, their numbers are not to accept other people's opinions as your own, which is another episode that I want to go over. Yeah. I have that in the topic section, but you don't have original thoughts anymore because of social media. You read stuff on social media. You speak in memes. Yeah. And it goes into your brain and you subconsciously like think about it all the time when you're like, Oh my gosh, a meme just popped into my head. So like, you know,

exactly. You never have an original thought. You always think about stuff that you've seen on the internet or that you've like seen people talk about, you know? And that, again, that falls on the parents. We've, we've tried really hard and you know, Tutankham and Horan here. Um, we've tried really hard to teach you to think for yourself. We've even told you, listen, if, if you don't agree with something we say, let's argue about it. Yeah, absolutely. And that's why I want

to, yeah. I want to have the discussions with you about you think it's this way, but I've tried really hard to say, okay, now think one level deeper. Yeah. And on the show, we're always going to say our opinions and then argue about it. Yeah. And we would love feedback from the audience. We're not trying to do it for algo. Cause we don't have an algo. We'll talk about that.

And you've always taught me to like, look at both sides of an argument. So like you've always taught me to look at both news outlets, like Fox news and CNN, if there's like something happening. Exactly. And another thing your mother and I both try and do really hard is when you ask us about a politically charged issue. Let's say we try really hard. I'm going at this from this side. Exactly. When you, when you were asking what you learned at school, a little bit about communism and

capitalism, right? And I came at, I tried to explain them in extremely fair terms for each one. Right. And then we talked about which one you feel like is a better system. And why I tried really hard not to sway your opinion one way or the other. So, and you do that on most issues. We try, we try really hard. We want you to, we want to teach you through having you figure it out yourself. I feel like it's the best way to do it. So, uh, alpha, I don't, I don't know.

You've, you have met a couple generations now, but we have some in our family. We do, but I see them, you know, Christmas, birthdays and it's like, Hey, let's eat some cake here. Open this present. Oh, there you go. Fun. And you know, I love them, but I don't like know about their philosophy. For a kids. So, oh yeah. What's a, what's a Sephora kid? So Sephora, you've been to Sephora before. Yeah. I know what, I know what it's Sephora. I've been into Sephora. Yeah. It's a makeup store.

It's so fun, but, uh, it's this makeup store and there's also like, uh, skincare, stuff like that. It's just basic makeup store, but millennials and Gen Z that are raising gen alpha have like, shown gen alpha the Sephora and like, have brought them in and they've made like, messes and the tester are areas, which is completely on parents. They should be watching their kids, but also on the kids being taught to not respect other people's stuff.

Right. And that's on the parents. That's completely on the parents. But, um, also like using your kids on the internet. Oh my gosh. Like putting your kids at the forefront of a video being like, where's Sephora kids? Of course we're gonna have like, we're Costco guys. We just talked about the Costco guys. Double junk chocolate cookie. We need to talk about the Costco guys for one episode. We can talk about that in our, um,

our other section. Well, like, okay. So somebody might, um, and actually what I almost just did there. Um, I wanted to talk about in a later episode, one of the things I don't, I don't like on the internet is when content creators preemptively like, Oh, I can, I can already hear you in the comments talking about what I'm about to say. Oh, and, um, like they changed their content based on what the contents are going to comments are going to be. Um, I'll edit that

out later. We, we, um, we, I understand what Leila is saying right now. You could say that about fun fact Friday. We never expected anybody to listen to fun fact Friday. We really didn't. Um, and honestly, even in the height of our quote unquote popularity, we have like 200 listeners. And if, if it ever, anything ever got the slightest bit weird, we're done. And Leila, Leila was at the forefront of that. She was in charge of when we stopped that show or started that show. I'm not

using her to get famous. I don't want to get famous being famous and be terrible. But, uh, what I'm saying is like, there's one, I wish I could remember their, uh, account name, but there's this one account on tech talk and she, her kids like talk about all the stuff that they got from Sephora, like their hall, quote unquote. But like, just feel like it's a stolen childhood. Like go outside, play a video game, you know, like you don't need to worry about your

face aging at age four. You don't need to put 15 chemicals in your face. So you don't get one wrinkle by 15 going uphill. Like, you know, you're still going uphill. You need to not mess with it. Another thing is just like aging culture in not Asian culture, aging culture in general, you don't need to anti age. You're good, man. Aging is a natural thing. And it's the thing that happens. It's awesome. It's aging is the best. Never, never going to not age. Never stop aging.

Never going to not age. Exactly. Oh my gosh. But anyways, okay. So it's just stolen childhood. Like I said, alpha, I don't interact with them. A lot of alpha kids. Um, I don't interact. Why are they called alphas? It just, it is, we ran out of letters. So we had to go to the Greek alphabet. I don't know. Um, it's going to be generation sigma. All right. So we're going to move on to our value for value segments. Uh, and then we're going to do some current events and

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somebody else know about the show. Now that's value to us. So somebody who might enjoy it. We don't want people who don't enjoy it to hear about the show. Oh yeah. So yeah, that's, that's our value for value. We don't do ads. You can't be honest if you do ads. Um, we're not selling your ears to somebody. Um, doesn't seem right. Doesn't seem right to me. So we do have some current

events. I've just got a short little one I wanted to talk about. Yeah. Or do you want to go first? Really a lot that I could find. So you couldn't, you couldn't pick something out. Yeah. I'm sure we'll have. There's a lot of events going on. There's not a lack of events. I promise you. So switching between a couple, uh, current events, the flag being flown at half staff. So president Jimmy Carter passed away recently. Um, we're recording this on Inauguration Day,

January 20th. Um, and he passed away. And typically when a president passed away that they fly all us flags at half staff for 30 days. Well, the problem with that is that there's an inauguration today and it's supposed to be full staff for inauguration. So there was kind of like a, what are we doing? So, um, I believe the, I've got to actually, I've got a clip here. We'll just play the, uh, play the news story. Hopefully it won't be too loud.

It claims the flags at the Capitol will fly at half staff during Donald Trump's inauguration next Monday, but that's fiction on December 29th, former president Jimmy Carter passed away and president Biden ordered flags at the Capitol to be flown at half staff for 30 days. That would have meant that the flags would be at half staff during Monday's inauguration,

which president elect Trump complained about. But this week, house speaker Mike Johnson ordered the flags be raised during the inauguration and then lowered back again on Tuesday to honor Jimmy Carter. If he would like to submit a question to her, she talked to you. Oh, my speaker, Mike Johnson is a nerd. Um, so yeah, newscasters talk slow. They got to fill that 30 minutes up.

You know, we have no problem filling 30 minutes. We're already at 53 on this one. So yeah. So I was interested in the whole, the rules for half staff because I've always thought it's kind of kind of weird, like America, America, we fly it full, you know, keep going, press on no matter what happens, no matter who passes away, you know, but you still want to honor those who have fallen. So I looked up the rules. What? Oh,

sorry. I just noticed I had my hair dye. Okay. So the rules for half staff, um, a, the president or a governor can, um, order the flags flown at half staff for whatever reason, if there's a tragedy or something like that. And then also Memorial day, which is last Monday in May, uh, Patriot day, which is September 11th. Of course, we know what happened then. And Pearl Harbor remembrance day, December 7th, those are all half staff days. Um, and then of course,

the president Carter passed away. Biden said 30 days. Um, so the proper procedure for flying, I was like, like, like I said, I've always, I'm rambling flying full staff all the time. We're America, but the procedure for flying the flag at half staff, I looked it up and I was like, Oh, okay. I get it. You attach the flag. Then you raise it all the way up to the peak of the, of the staff. You pause at the peak and says briefly pause at the, at the peak to honor the

resilience of the American spirit. And that's what I was talking about. America, you know, resilience press on, you know, then you lower it to half staff. And then go straight to half. And then at the end of the day, um, or at the end of the, uh, designated morning period, raise the flag back up to the top again to acknowledge the nation's collective tribute and then lower it all the way all the way down and, you know, put it away.

I was like, okay, that's a, that's, that's good. I never really looked into the, uh, half staff. I thought they just raised it up to half staff when, because we were told to, there's like a whole ceremony about it. And I was like, that's kind of cool. Yeah. I just always thought it was something people do. I guess it's just something people do. All right. So yeah, just low and lowering the flag to half staff. Interesting to me.

So what, what do you got for your current event? I was going to talk about the tech talk ban. It's back. I don't know. I don't, I don't have. Wait, the tech talk ban is back or the, because it was banned. It was banned. And then it came back. It was un-banned. Yeah. Well, I gotta see if the other ones are still banned. Cause there was two apps on my phone. Well, it's, this is what I was talking about earlier with the, the rule, the,

the laws that have cute little names. Um, this is called the, the tech talk ban when it's actually not tick talk. It's a lot of stuff. Yeah. The servers are still up. So they're not, tick talk is not banned if you already had it, but you can't download it in the app store. So I just looked that up. Um, I think the other ones are still like that too. Yeah. And I don't know if they blocked IPs or anything like that. Um,

I didn't look too deep into it. I know that it was, um, if you already had the app, I don't know if they geo-fenced it to where America couldn't access the servers anymore. I believe they did because I saw some hours. Yeah. For it wasn't for too long. It was like 14 hours, something like that. Cause I have a few friends that were just like, it's good. But I thought it was funny. And I think this is probably what you're going to talk about.

Cause I'm looking at your screen right now and I can see the logo that everybody flocked to something else. Tell us about it. So there's this app called Yau Hong Shou, which is commonly called red note in the app store and like by Americans it's literal translation from the Yau Hong Shou is little red book,

but I'm just going to call it red note. Uh, it's, it functions and looks like tick talk, but there is different uses for it in like actual people that have been using this app for so long have made like videos saying like, here's some guidelines for Yau Hong Shou and how to use it. If you want to be respectful to this app, which I really, I understand that because this is our community. Don't mess it up.

Please, please don't, please don't invade it and make it into tick talk, which it's more as a like shopping guide. Yeah. I heard it was almost Pinterest-y. Yeah. It's honestly, it's kind of like a mix between tick talk, Pinterest and Instagram on its Wikipedia page. It says that it's kind of, I know I, I don't either. Well, I use Pinterest, but I am familiar with how they work. And it is, it says in its Wikipedia crap.

I cannot speak. It says in its Wikipedia. It's like a replacement for Instagram, but it's also like a Chinese shopper guide for like tourists. Oh, okay. But there's a lot of like bilingual people being like, welcome Americans. Welcome. Welcome to our app. Here's some rules. If you talk about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you'll get banned. You know, I'm interested because I did watch a few people talking about

their experience on the app, the Red Note app. And they were saying that they are seeing a different vision of China than they've been fed in the media. Yeah. Because China is just a place like any other. It just has a government that's different than ours. Right. And so I don't, but I, I have this mentality. Um, and maybe it's just from the era that I'm from being Gen X. I don't believe anything I read on

the internet. Yeah. Well, I do. And then until I think about it for a second, I'm like, Oh my gosh, can you wait a minute? So there's the, you know, Oh, the kids in China have to work in factories. There's all the other stuff you hear, right? And then people are going on the app and they're like, no, they're just living in their city. They're like normal. And they say that they don't have any kids working in factories. They don't have any, I'm like, yeah, but are they lying? Yeah.

Like, are you trusting the people that you just met in another country who you know, has strict rules about, um, speaking out against the government or speaking bad against, uh, the country itself. Um, do you think they're going to get on your app and be like, Oh yeah, absolutely. It's trash over here. No, I don't think they are. But the people on the Yahoo went on tech talk and were like, okay, I have noticed that a lot

of Westerners are going into our app. So here's some guidelines. Also, people are trying to teach the Americans Mandarin, which is really cool. I like that part. I did read that a Duolingo has had a huge spike in people installing the, are clicking onto the Mandarin thing. Yeah. I, I, I'm all for it. Because there's people making friends. Learn every language you can. Um, that's awesome.

But they realized like, Oh, there's people from China that are just like me, but Chinese, so I can make actual friends in like different countries. Yeah. There's different classes of folks over there, just like there is here. But, um, from what I've read, from what I've seen from people I know that have been there, um, there's, there's good and bad areas. There's a lot of bad stuff going on. There's a lot of good stuff going on. Um, but if folks are folks, wherever they are,

yeah. Um, I don't really agree with how Westerners are trying to make it into like tick tock, but there's like, well, they jump, but make your own, make your own. Exactly. Yeah. So the other one already has like its own culture around it and like the way it's built. It's, it's a shopping guide. It's not a funny, funny, funny, funny, funny, funny, funny, funny, funny.

A lot of, a lot of people, when you say, Oh, well, I don't have millions of dollars worth of servers and I don't have, and it's like, well, you don't need that to start out. Yeah. You're talking about this earlier when we were like making lunch. Yeah. You don't need millions of dollars in servers to start out. You start, you can, you can run stuff on smaller servers and you can federate it. Uh, we have a mastodon server

that we run and only family members who are allowed to have accounts on it. I've got it locked down, but my server talks to any other server on the Fed or Fediverse. So I can post stuff up there and everybody can see it unless they don't want to. And they can block my server. Like let's say that man, I hate that David guy. I mean, this is a jerk, right? I don't want anything from his server. So he can just block my server and then nothing from my server will go there.

Everybody has their own rules. Um, the problem is, is that, and this is going to go into our episode that we have, uh, tentatively titled do it yourself. Um, it's going to go into that. We're going to go into, um, doing it yourself and how, yeah, it's harder, but better and faster and stronger. Yeah. Harder, better, faster, stronger. But yeah. Uh, did you have anything else you wanted to say about that topic or we want to wrap it up?

I think I've got, I think I got over it. All right. Well, yeah. I know people that have downloaded it and have said, oh yeah, that's really cool. It is neat looking into another culture from something that is mainly that culture. Yeah. It's very interesting. Um, yeah. Well, everybody, that'll be it for this episode. Let's, oh, we don't, we don't have very much of a theme song. Um, so we're just play the intro again until

we get an actual outro. We could just, um, yeah, that's our outro. No, we'll play a theme song, but yeah, we hope you enjoy the show. Uh, we're going to have lots of good topics. Hopefully lots of good guests to come on talking about a lot of different things that we are interested in and that we wanted to argue about or agree about or talk about or whatever. Um, we're hope, hoping to release on Tuesdays, but we're not putting hard limits on ourselves. We realized doing the other

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And we listened to that jazz. Oh yeah. Wait, we hope you'll come back next, uh, next episode. I think we might be doing the do it yourself next. And then we're, we're working on this. Who do you trust series? It's going to be fantastic. Oh yeah. And then we're going to be having a big breakdown of AI. We're going to get cut off and now we just watch this. Oh, it didn't. Didn't do it. But yeah. Uh, y'all have a fantastic, fantastic way.