Sleep Is Creepy

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Hey, Bobby, you know what? Don't interrupt me. What? Bobby, look, you just threw me completely off. Bobby, do you know what's creepy? What, Lauren? I thought you'd be like, you. Tell me, please. Sleeping. Ah, it's very weird. Yeah, which very creepy, which is funny because I had a lot of coffee this morning and I feel like it's a very.

Big contrast from the last episode where I was falling asleep. Yeah. Same. I feel good. Energized. We were both tired because we had to film. We had a busy week and we had to film a podcast. At night. At night. And it was not ideal. So today we're doing it during the day. Normal time. Normal time and on coffee. Yes. On caffeine. And now it's ironic because today's topic is sleeping.

I feel like if we were talking about it last time, we would have fallen asleep. We would have just been sleeping on the podcast. Yes. So originally Bobby pitched this as dreams. Yes. He wanted to talk about dreams. And. I thought that was a good idea, but then I was like, no, I'm a better. Okay. I don't know. I'm so mean to you today. You're so mean. It's the coffee. You're so energized. A lot of hatred for me.

I love you. A lot of judgment. All the judgment. You had a good idea, but mine was better. Well, your ideas in this, your ideas sparked my idea. I'm glad. Glad I could spark your genius. So we're going to be covering. Like sleep and dreams and nightmares and night terrors, which I knew is something you wanted to talk about. See, I made sure I made sure I put a little section in there. Thanks. Appreciate it. Thank you. Your favorite thing. My favorite.

But yeah, that's going to be the show today. And I'm actually very excited because I have so many notes. I hope we can get through all of them without making this really long. Well, like they say, let's jump into it. Who's they? People on the internet. That's scary. They say it's like the Franco and all them. I can only think of one person. Everyone says it. Everyone I watch. Jump into it. Everyone says it. It's just like second nature for everyone. Okay.

Next time you're watching someone, they're going to say, all right, let's just jump into it. Okay. Next time somebody says that, I'm just going to look right at you. Be like, you were right. Text me. They do. They say that. They say it all the time.

Okay. So did you, I like that. I write prompts for myself and the prompt is, did you know? Maybe. That sleep is essential for good health. Yes. Okay. Very aware. Some people do not know that. I can guarantee you there's lots of people that I have talked to that are like, it's not a big deal. I keep getting this, recommending this guy in YouTube shorts. He's like, I don't know.

workout guy and he's always like preaching about how great he is at life and one of the things is like i get sleep and i do this and i do that and i'm like about recovering yeah you know Sleep is important. That's very important. Yeah. Well, I hate those people that like brag about how good they are at like working out and recovery and sleeping. It's like, I do all these things so I can optimize my health. And it's like, cool, man.

Good for you. You put tape on your mouth so you can breathe out your nose. I guess you don't have any sinus issues. I don't know anything about any of these people. I don't watch them. It's this thing. All of a sudden, like, it's funny how, like...

I'll get recommended things and patterns. And I got like two different people talking about how important it is to breathe through your nose when you're sleeping. And I'm like, yes. Yeah. How do you do that? You're supposed to tape your mouth shut when you're sleeping. Yes. Well, before you're sleeping, you tape it. But yes. Yeah, that'd be pretty impressive if you taped your mouth while you were sleeping. I mean, I have, now that I have the, what's it called? The water. Deviated septum?

Humidifier. Now that I have the humidifier right next to me, it helps. And I don't wake up with my nose clogged because I also learned that there's a thing where like one of the side of your nostrils will like clog up. Do you have that when you sleep? Do you always breathe? Do you have one of your nostrils clog up? Or do you have no breathing issues? I don't know. I guess none. My right nostril always clogs up. I can never breathe out of my right nostril.

You have had the deviated septum. Yeah, I'm sure it's still messed up. But my left nostril is good, but it produces a lot of snot and boogers. So I have to clear it out at night. so that I can breathe like these guys are telling me through my nose or else I'm just going to be a terrible person if I don't breathe right. You're not going to sleep. You're not going to hit your health goals. No. Well, whoops.

Sorry. That is the funny. They used to say that when the baby was born, they were like, because your body's recovering. So you're basically recovering from an injury. And their main advice is like, make sure you sleep enough. And it's like, oh, thanks. Thanks. Thank you, doctor. I'll try to do that with my baby that's waking me up every two hours. I love how it's like sleep so important. Everyone should begin. It's like, but our society doesn't really promote the proper ways. It's like, yeah.

All right. Sorry. Little tangent. I say I got through one sentence of my lot. And look how that sparked my rage. So also.

Did you know that we actually need sleep to survive just like food and water? So you can actually, I actually, I mean, I'm sure somebody's told me this, but I, it didn't register to be that you can die. if you don't sleep yes like eventually you'll die yes um the long do you know what the longest recorded time of not sleeping is i just saw it out of the corner of my eye but oh that's pretty impressive

It's 264 hours, which is just over 11 consecutive days of not sleeping. That's the longest. Did you look into this more? How did they track this? I don't know. It was probably research. Just some guy. Research. Someone was like, hey, I haven't slept in 11 days. Maybe they gave him stimulants. It had to have been research. Yeah. Because it does say, although it's unclear exactly how long humans can survive without sleep.

And that's because the only they've like, there's been situations where people have said that somebody died due to sleep, but it hasn't been like properly researched and or fact checked, I guess, ever. which is kind of crazy. But it says, because it's not long before the sleeps of sleep deprivation start to show. After only three or four nights without sleep, you start to hallucinate. Yeah. Which must be interesting.

I mean, I'm sure most people can't go a day without it. Yeah, this is three to four nights without any. That's crazy. I'm sure a lot of like military or people. who work crazy jobs have to go through that sometimes people work nights insomnia yeah it says it's why were you watching like a true life episode where people like couldn't sleep yeah i was watching that old true life episodes but there there are conditions

Oh yeah. Like for people that can't sleep, which is crazy to me. Like they'll just lay there all night. Yeah. Crazy. A lot of people have trouble. It was interesting because I was having issues falling asleep a while ago and then I started taking melatonin every night. But then I was always groggy and tired going in the middle of the day. And you're like, oh, you should try. Maybe it's affecting it. And I just quit at cold turkey and I've been sleeping fine.

Yeah, for anybody who needs to hear this, because I didn't know until I was taking melatonin for about a week straight. Because I forget what was going on. I don't know if I was stressed or whatever, but I just couldn't sleep well. I was taking it every night. Yeah, you and Bobby was taking it every night for like months. Months, a year, who knows? I was only taking it here and there if I had like...

a stressful day or I was super awake before we went to bed. Um, it's only every now and then, but then for a solid week, I was taking it. I forget why. And after a couple of days, after like two or three days, even. I was just feeling super slow, like not myself, had no energy, had no motivation, wanted to take a nap halfway through the day. I was like, this is so weird because I slept fine all night. Like I slept through the night. I took melatonin. So then I Googled it and a girl.

wrote an article about she tried melatonin for a week and that's exactly what happened to her. was she started feeling really tired during the day. So I just stopped it. And within like a day or two, I was back to normal. I was like, whoa. So I haven't taken melatonin since. And then, so then Bobby started.

I started realizing Bobby also kept complaining that he was tired and wanting to take a nap halfway through the day. I was like, you've got to stop melatonin. I'm telling you, that's what it is. And I did. He did. And he learned. So anybody who takes melatonin. on a daily basis and you still feel tired during the day that's why try not taking it for a couple days yeah see if you feel back to the way you were because it was crazy yeah find other ways to

Find other ways, have some chamomile tea. I've learned, I mean, we can go into this more later, but I've learned. Reading does it for me. Yeah, reading. You have to find some sort of like tone down activity. Like reading always makes me tired. You also are supposed to stay away from screens for the last 30 minutes before you go to bed, which definitely does help. I think so.

You're also supposed to do like a wind-down activity. So I find if I work all the way up until I'm supposed to go to bed, I don't sleep well. Yeah, like if I'm playing... I'm stimulated all the way until I start again. If I'm playing Destiny, like... when I used to do late night raids or whatever and I was up late and then I'd go to bed I would it would be hard for me to fall asleep and then I would dream I'm playing the game and it was like ah don't like that

Like when I used to live stream at night. Yeah, that was the worst. I stopped doing that because I could not fall asleep after anything overly stimulating, like an exciting game, like cozy games are fine. If you want to play Stardew Valley or Animal Crossing, that's cool, but not destiny. So it says, well, it has been reported in humans only anecdotally. I didn't know what that meant, so I looked it up. It means like like what I said.

You were like, I heard Sharon down the street died because she didn't sleep. Whatever days. Like anecdotally means people have said it, but there's no like actual research or. Factual word of mouth. Yeah, whatever. But a widely cited study in rats conducted by. Chicago-based researchers in 1989 showed that a total lack of sleep inevitably leads to death. Sleep accounts for one quarter to one third of the human lifespan. That's crazy. I like the saying, I'll sleep when I'm dead.

the boomer saying is that a boomer saying i feel like that's definitely a boomer and beyond saying i feel like that's just a young person say like it's like when you go out to like four in the morning and then you're like It's fine. I'll sleep when I'm dead. I guess so. I want to party. Yeah. I was like, what are boomers doing up late at night? Working. Working. Oh, so then as I was researching this, I was like.

I know kind of why we need sleep, but at the same time, I don't. And there's a reason and it's creepy. Like. Why? Trying to think like the scientific reasons why we need it. Yes. Well, it is funny because we heard what's his name? Oh, Pete Holmes does like a comedy bit where he's like, it'd be really weird if aliens came down here and they wanted to learn about our species. And they're like, OK, what do you do for energy? And they're like, we eat food. Yeah.

and it's like oh okay and then you get energy yes they're like okay uh why why do you sleep at night it's like or no they were like um he was and then at the end of the day we just have to shut the whole thing down and they were like

for what? And he was like, to get energy. He goes, well, don't you get that from food? No, you still need to, you still need to shut the whole thing down at the end of the day, no matter how much you eat. It's like, yeah, why is that? It'll be cool to see if in the future they're able to. mitigate sleep through some sort of like supplements.

All right. Tell me the science. OK, so sleep is vital for the brain's ability to adapt to input. If we sleep too little, we become unable to process what we've learned during the day and we have more trouble remembering it in the future. Researchers also believe that sleep. may promote the removal of waste products from brain cells, something that seems to occur less efficiently when the brain is awake.

Interesting. Sleep is vital to the rest of the body, too. When people don't get enough sleep, their health risks rise. Symptoms of depression, seizures, high blood pressure and migraines can worsen. Immunity is compromised, which I can definitely if I had a really rough night. or like a night or two. You're way more susceptible to getting sick. When you don't get good sleep, it impacts you like quick, fast. You're not good. Like the next day. That's what I mean. Yeah. Immediately.

Yeah, it can increase the likelihood of illness and infection. Sleep also plays a role in metabolism. That's why they always say you should get good sleep if you're trying to like lose weight or get fit like Bobby's health guys always say. Even one night of missed sleep can create a pre-diabetic state in an otherwise healthy person. Jeez, our human bodies suck. We really do. We're so weak. This is the creepiest part.

A lot is still unknown about the purpose of sleep. What do you mean? People just don't like we just went over what like the purposes of that's their theories. They're all structured as theories. They don't actually know. They just assume from like.

their studies that that's what it is but there's no like 100% this is what sleep is for okay that's a little odd because all of the things that you do in your sleep also happen during the day they just happen more efficiently at night but like they don't just cease during the day so i i wrote after that i was like there's a lot of things okay every time i go into a new uh

category of sleep it always ends with there's still a lot unknown about this and i'm like this is sleep has been around since the dawn of And people still don't know anything about it. Like, isn't that a little weird? Are people all freaked out by that? It's probably just not something that people are putting much... time and money into i care about of course i think now i'll put the money into the research now people are a little more cognizant of it and it's just there was no care for it

Back in the day, it was just work and live and figure it out and deal with it. Now we're a little more. Now we care about. Now we are a little more, you know, caring of our health and long term and want to be better.

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the oh you don't know which one i think when we all fall asleep where do we go and i was like where do we go where do we go i i've heard cool i've heard cool theories one of then was that when you uh fall asleep you were like go to another uh like um parallel universe of you and you're like visiting like like the multiverse of your other selves

yeah again another part like dreaming and nightmares and all that stuff like people still don't 100 yeah there's no real i don't think there's too much you can do scientifically at the moment to kind of verify what it is i Can't wait. Well, I mean, this is probably, this is a pipe dream that.

It would be so cool if we could record dreams, like video record dreams. I know that's not anything we can do at the moment. I've dreamed sometimes that would make really cool like stories and I write down the notes, but it doesn't like.

do the visual stuff that i remember seeing justice um and then just sometimes they're just so odd and weird it's like what the hell was that about and i know everyone has that but it'd be so cool to like like black mirror it and replay yeah wasn't that in something i think so there was like some way you could or was like memories and stuff interesting yeah somebody needs to figure out the science of that yeah there's i think we need to like

get really scientific with sleep and not just fall asleep on these mattresses. And like, we need to like, they need to make some like, you know, like hyperbolic chambers and things like that. We need to like, with like a. breathing mass so we can like sleep so i bet we don't need as much sleep as we're getting if we had like optimal like four hours of perfect sleep or we could like maybe even like take like a drug or something that puts you to sleep

because you know sometimes we know when you get like surgery and they like knock you out some that's like sometimes the best sleep and you wake up and you're like you're super groggy but like oh i feel i don't know feel better feel great You know what I'm even more interested in is just because I'm super productive all the time is the Rick and Morty thing where in an episode of Rick and Morty recently, he figured out how to.

basically you're still sleeping but your body oh your body does you can like send tasks for your body so like one of them was trying to get abs so they would literally do ab exercises all night and then in the morning they would wake up so so think about it like you wouldn't have to actually during the day because you're doing it at night. That'd be insane. That'd be so cool. You wake up and you're just sore.

Yeah, you're like, oh, I did it. Or you could have somebody like write your homework for you or like your body. But your mind still asleep. You're like a zombie essentially or something. That would be really interesting. dangerous but interesting like what if you wrote a note you were like kill your neighbor be like that wasn't me it wasn't me that was zombie me my wife wrote it in there and like i didn't know

Yeah, that would be crazy having to write a movie. Yeah, so I'm very interested in sleep and that's why I wanted to talk about sleep in general and all the things that have to go with it. Because I think I meant...

I forget if I mentioned before, but I have an aura ring not sponsored. And Bobby got me the aura ring for Mother's Day because after we had Melody, our daughter, I. Was obviously not sleeping great for a while. So I wanted the ring to like. Tell me because there would be some nights.

I would kind of be awake and then not. And I didn't know how much sleep I was actually getting. I just either felt crappy or okay in the morning. So it was cool to see. I used to wear my Apple Watch a lot. And then it was... notifying me that my heart rate while I was sleeping was getting too low. It was like, Oh yeah. Remember that?

And we asked the doctor and he's like, oh, if you work out, you probably just have a good resting heart rate and stuff. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that to wearing something to sleep is also good because you can see if you have any heart problems, like it stays. Well, mine tells me specifically, especially if I have like.

a couple alcoholic drinks before I go to bed or a big meal or get overstimulated before I go to bed, it'll tell me that my resting heart rate took longer than normal to stabilize, which means that you didn't get good sleep at the beginning part of your night.

And also the beginning part of your night is the most important part of your sleep. Like if you get woken up, I learned this when we had a newborn baby because I was trying to figure out the best way for us to like sleep or shit, like figure out our sleep schedules.

But if you get woken up within the first four hours of your sleep, that's way worse than getting woken up in the last like three to four hours. So if you get woken up like 30 minutes to sleeping. Yeah, that's because that happens to me a lot. Oh, no. Well, that's bad.

like 30 minutes to an hour if you get woken up that's bad i'll fall asleep and then i'll wake up i don't know i heard something because the tv's on or i'll slightly wake up and then the light or the from the tv will wake me up even more that's why i often turn it off right away We don't have to. I've gotten used to it. I mean, I wouldn't mind trying to stop falling asleep to the TV because I feel like. Because your deep sleep happens only in the first half of the night. Interesting.

Once you hit the second half of the night, for some reason, you're in deep sleep no longer. You're only in light and REM sleep is the end. And it's cool because my ring shows me that. Again, not sponsored. I just thought it was cool. Maybe I should get one. Cause I don't like the watch. Yeah. I don't like sleeping with the watch. I don't like sleeping with like something on my wrist. And I like that you don't have to charge it all the time, which is nice. Yeah.

Uh, I'm going to get the, the whooping I've been thinking about getting. Oh yeah. That's that one's not bad either. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, yeah. So like I said, we.

I mainly got fascinated and did a lot of research on sleep when we had a newborn because for anybody who has never had a newborn baby, they won't understand. They tell you in the beginning, they're like, you know, it's going to be rough the first couple months.

They wake up a lot like she was waking up like every two hours in the beginning. So we would take shifts. Then she wouldn't go to sleep unless she was sleeping like on us. And then you can't go to sleep because you have to hold her and make sure you don't like crush her or drop her.

so that was definitely yeah and you could feel that was the closest i ever got to like feeling the effects of not sleeping oh yeah that was that was rough that was that was very rough yeah um i mean luckily we had help so we could sleep in the morning uh at the start but yeah it's uh it's a lot different and you learn a lot about sleep and how to optimize your sleep and things like that so that's why yeah this helps a lot just

Just tracking everything and seeing where I was good or not, because it'll give me a sleep score. If my sleep score is low, then I know I'm going to have a bad day. Yeah, I like I like all that being able to track all this stuff, but I almost.

don't like it at the same time because i don't want to like gamify my life i don't want to know all the stats but at the same time it does kind of game i'm more so want to know like your score you're like yeah like i don't want a sleep score i don't want that i don't want to be like oh my sleep last night was bad like

I just want to know what my heart rate was. Stuff like the more scientific stuff that I should be monitoring. Like, oh, your heart rate was good or your heart rate was bad or I don't know, stuff like that. Your breathing was bad. Just get a heart monitor. Yeah.

No, I think the whoop band is more interesting, but I know that does like a sleep score as well. Yeah. Oh, you slept really well. You should have a good day and then you have a bad day. It's like, what the hell? You said I was going to have a good day. I mean, I will say the majority of the times it says that my scores are high. I do feel good. Yeah. Doesn't mean I'm going to have a good day, but I feel fine. And then, yeah. But anyway, do you know why we dream?

Um, why we dream, I feel like it just, it's kind of like our brain processing all the information. Cause I often have dreams of things that happens within like the last day or so. And it like takes that information and kind of processes it. It's close. It says again, there's a lot that experts don't know about why people dream.

and where dreams come from. However, the prevailing theory is that dreaming helps you consolidate and analyze memories like skills and habits and likely serves as a rehearsal. Quotes for various situations and challenges that one faces during the daytime. Yeah, for sure. I often a lot of dreams I have are, like I said, of things that have.

either happened that day or like a couple days past and I'm like, oh, why? I'm like, oh yeah, I was thinking about this. Or even if I just think of something random during the day, I'll dream about that at night. Not all the time, but just if something sticks out.

It's funny, is that why I have dreams sometimes to be running away from serial killers? Is that like a rehearsal for what I would do if I was in this situation? I guess so. That's just your paranoid mind. It's usually after I watch some sort of scary show. Or at least like a day later.

Yeah, because like I'll if I'm playing Destiny late into the night and then I go right to bed, I will vividly have dreamed that I'm still I'm either playing the game or I'm in the game like I'm actually in the game. So it definitely makes sense that it's.

rehearsing or just kind of reorganize, like shuffling through like, all right, you were doing this. This was happening. Remember this, whatever. And then I did hear you told me this once and I was like, no, it says most people do dream every night. Every night I dream. For sure.

Yeah, but remember I said, I don't think I do. And you were like, no, everybody does. I think you do, but you just don't. Yeah, so it says you don't remember your dreams unless you're awakened during them or just after them. I think that's why is that I get awakened from my dreams like. I'll wake up, you know, two, three, four, five in the morning. And so I've written in my notes before if I've had like a really cool dream that would make for a good story.

And I'll be like, all right, I'm not going to remember this when I wake up. If I want to jot it down, I got to do it. So I'll just write kind of like bullet point notes of what just happened. But yeah, I think my dreams wake me up a lot. I don't know if that's from my night terror pass, but.

Yeah, well, it could either wake you up in the middle of the night or most dreams happen actually toward the end of your sleep. So in the morning. Yeah, I often wake up around 530 a lot. Yeah, but that's a common time for me to wake up for my dreams.

Yeah. Well, your dreams can also last all the way till you wake up at like your normal time. But there's a lot of times where I get woken up from dreams and then I'll be like, oh, it's 530 and I'm trying to go back to sleep because that's a lot of times when I say like, oh, I was up early and then.

Took me a while to fall back asleep, then I sleep for another hour or so. That's like the common time for me. That stinks. Yeah. It's because I'm not taping my mouth and breathing through my nose properly. And reading and all the other stuff I'm supposed to do to be a perfect human being.

Well, there's some reasons why people might have night terrors or sleepwalking. So I'll let you know. You can tell me if you have any of these because that might also be contributing to whatever your sleep issues are. But the next section is about night terrors, which is your expertise area of expertise area. Thankfully, not so much anymore.

Yeah, I'll explain what night terrors are for people who might not know what they are. But night terrors are a sleep disorder in which a person quickly awakens from sleep in a terrified state. The cause is unknown, but night terrors are often triggered by fever, lack of sleep, or periods of emotional tension, stress, or conflict. Night terrors are like nightmares, except that nightmares usually occur during rapid eye movement.

REM sleep and are most common in the early mornings, whereas night terrors usually happen in the first half of the night. Yep. Also night terrors are more common in pre-adolescent boys. That's when it happened a lot. Yeah. Though they are also fairly common in children three to five years old, which is interesting. Yeah. Because kids don't normally have like, well, I guess they could have.

stress or emotional is pre-adolescent like pre-puberty yeah yeah that's that's when i had mine yeah so pubert like yeah pre-puberty yeah because i think mine happened around like when i was around 10 and they continued for a couple years yeah um yeah they were terrifying Didn't yours have to do with sleepwalking too or no? Well, it wasn't so much sleepwalking. It was more so that I would, it would feel like I was awake and dreaming still.

and what my dad found that would help a lot was he would like walk me around the house very calmly and it would kind of like bring me back snap me out of it while you were sleeping still or after um well i would be i'd be in the night terror and i would wake up

And I think it was that half awake, half asleep thing. And I'd, you know, be freaking out or whatever. And they found that it was best to like, just kind of like walk me around. And I would, cause I never had night terrors of like, um, i wouldn't be walking around and having them still it was like coming out of it you weren't like sleepwalking no i wouldn't sleep i wouldn't sleepwalk but i would so the

The things that always stuck with me is night terrors for me always felt like trying to do something impossible where the best example I can give is I always had this one like reoccurring one where I was like up in the clouds in the sky and I had to like stand on a flagpole essentially.

it wasn't exactly that but that's the feeling that i can remember is i'd always have to do like impossible things and then the consequences obviously was like death and i was like that was the fear uh one i remember we were on vacation and i remember seeing the top half of my vision was the dream. The bottom half of my vision was like not was awake. And I remember like I was having the night terror. My mom was in the room with me trying to like, you know.

not weak, I guess, wake me up, calm me down, whatever she was doing. And we're seeing her and seeing the dream. That was freaky. But yeah, they were they were bad. They were very the best thing I can. describe them as is always having that like fear of trying or having to do something that felt impossible and knowing that I couldn't do it. Um, I haven't had them since I was young, so it's hard to remember.

exactly my parents probably have can probably talk more about them but yeah they were i know my mom said one time i was like i was gonna shoot her or something like she said she woke me up and i was like screaming like like Crying and screaming like that. I was gonna like shooter but not like saying it to her but like oh I have to shoot. I don't know somewhere like that No, um Yeah, my dad would always Whatchamacallit walk me around he said that was like the best way of

me kind of coming out of it uh yeah they were they were very terrifying were you in like elementary school i was like around 10. oh like i think in that age range they were for a couple years on and they weren't every night they were random That's interesting. Why do they happen more with boys? I don't know.

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Yeah, I don't think I ever had night terrors. I would have reoccurring night. Did you ever have sleep paralysis where you were awake and couldn't move? I don't know. I do have I have memories of like. I have two reoccurring nightmares. Yeah. Oh, those are my. Where. No, go ahead. One of the reoccurring nightmares I had was I'd always be like floating out of my room.

down the hallway, down the stairs into the downstairs hallway. And the dream would always progress a little bit further and a little bit further every time. And I would always remember like at the end of the hallway, it was like glowing tiger eyes.

creepy yeah but i never that one i'm trying to think the other one i i feel like my reoccurring nightmares were around the same age it's not weird i have another one that's currently reoccurring i'm trying to oh currently reoccurring yeah well it happens and i pretty what is it called when you can almost you know you're dreaming lucid yeah i'll have that now where the reoccurring dream is happening and i'm like oh i've been here before i know what's happening and i try to like control it

I just can't remember exactly what it is. That's the thing about dreams is so weird. That's why I wish you could record them is that in the moment you're like, oh, this has happened before. I know this dream, but then I can't really recall it. I think I just kind of try to not remember it was, it's not bad. It's like a weird, it's just something happening. Yeah. Mine might happen for a long time, but I feel like it's the same around the same age.

Maybe girl, maybe girls. The reason why boys have more is maybe they're more like vocal about it. Cause I definitely remember having these where like they would, I'd be really scared, but I just wouldn't say anything. I would just like deal with.

like maybe i just didn't scream or yell or anything to where my parents would know that something was going on but maybe yeah maybe it has something to do with your hormones maybe it's like because you're before maybe it's like right before you start going through puberty and stuff maybe that's why

But yeah, I had weird ones. I had one. The only one I could think of that might be like a sleep paralysis thing was in my room. There was like there was like a dresser and the door. And whenever the door was open, you couldn't see the corner. because it would open to the dresser and the dresser yeah so at night when the door would close i remember having i guess they were dreams but i would hear i was thinking about it while you're talking i was like this is gonna sound really scary

In the corner, I would hear voices and I thought they were like ants. They were there was like multiple voices and they lived in that corner and they would like talk to me. And sometimes it was scary and sometimes it was. it was fine but i swear it was a dream yeah like because i don't remember so i i have that even now where i think i'm i wake up and i hear voices

But I think it's my mind still dreaming and hearing things. Yeah, it could be. That's what I think it is because it happens now. Not all like very infrequently. Yeah. Or it's like voices from the TV. I don't know. But I'll wake up a lot of times.

and i'll hear someone like saying like oh bobby or something like talking to me and then i'm like kind of looking around and i'm like it was just like one of those weird dreams yeah but yeah i've had sleep paralysis a couple times i can remember like when i was young waking up and I couldn't move. I just couldn't move. And it felt like, it felt like I was super sore and fatigued.

tight you know when like you have like cramps or like tight like muscles or yeah i don't think i ever had that's what it felt like and i couldn't move um and i remember i one time i didn't go to school because my neck hurt so bad

I don't know if like, maybe I had like a muscle, maybe it's muscle spasms. That's kind of makes sense. It could. Um, I know my friend Ian had sleep paralysis a couple of times really bad. Um, yeah it's that's that's i've heard a lot of horror like stories about sleep paralysis like sleep like demons well they always say like that's the joke is like my sleep paralysis demon yeah like a meme but yeah yeah i don't think i've ever had that

I've had that. And then to go, that will also kind of pair with where I hear like the voices. Yeah. Where I think it's, my body is still in sleep mode, but my mind is kind of waking up. So I can't really move.

yeah for a set for a little bit and then as i'm waking up i'll like regain movement but like that'll happen like that's happened now i can remember like it happening in our current bed oh yeah but the voices thing is odd because it's not scary because it sounds like i don't know it's not like scary voices it's just it sounds like maybe like you're trying to talk to me but or like i'll hear like things and it's like oh yeah i think it's just like the voices from my dreams it's really

Um, no, as I say, the one other that I would assume would be a night terror. So I would have this reoccurring. And I do remember a couple of times I went down to my mom after these dreams. So it was a recurrent. I thought I told you this. There's a recurrent, you know, like the drama logo. There's like a sad face and a happy face. Oh yeah. Like the masks together. So I would have dreams where that would pop up like in my brain, I guess. And then depending.

Like it would decide in the dream which one it wanted, like the happy or the sad one. And if it was the happy one, I would have like an OK dream and it wouldn't be scary. But if it would do the sad one, like if the sad one like. decided to be the main one, then it would be a scary one. And I had two reoccurring scary ones. It was one, which is funny.

So the one is I would go downstairs and the lights would be off and the lights would turn on and there would be a lady in the kitchen that was not anybody that I remembered or knew. And then the lights would turn off and she would. and then turn back on and she would get closer and closer and closer and she'd be like a scary crazy lady which is weird because that's definitely been a horror movie trope before but I definitely had never seen that as a 10 year old like that

um so i don't know if i just like conjured that because that would be scary and it is and that's why it's in horror movies um so that was the one or the second one was i would go down to the basement and we used to have this like construction bench toy that if you pressed the

button down on it. It would make like construction sounds like saws and whatever it was my brother's. And I would have a dream where I would go downstairs and he would be like hunched over it. And then he would turn around and he was like a demon. And then he would chase after me. And I had to like.

press the button to be able to get out of the dream. I would have to like go get around him to get to the thing. But I would have them over and over and over again. And it would always start with like the drama masks. That's like super vivid to me is like those.

two things. And I still, to this day, so the people that are in your dreams, be a good story, right? The people that are in your dreams are people that you have seen in real life. Like you don't just conjure new people. You've either not in real life. Sorry. in anything so like you could you could see an actor on tv and like that or an unknown actor and then they show up in your dream and you're like i've never seen this person before but like

or just seeing somebody like out in public, your brain can still pop that person back in. So technically that crazy lady was definitely a lady I had seen at some point. Yeah. Or it could have been a scary movie. And then your mind made it into this, like that scary lady was now this.

scary lady in the kitchen or something. Yeah. But you always, whoever's in your dreams or people, people or things you have seen like either on the internet or TV or in real life. Yeah. I mean, I have dreams like that. all the time where it's like, why am I dreaming about this person? Or whatever it may be. Like I have dreams about people from high school that I haven't talked to in forever. I have that. Yeah, I have that. Random people throughout my life that just pop up in my dreams.

Like, oh, yeah, I think I used to work with that person. I think. Yeah, that's always weird. I'll have dreams a lot of times that I'm with my friends, like my main group of friends. But then there's always like someone that I haven't seen in a long time. That's like part of that.

group and it's like, oh, why are they there? Whatever it may be. What's a lot of people think dreams are like trying to show you something that's not fair or like your subconscious trying. It's not necessarily they say that it's usually.

Like a lot of people, I used to be really into dream meanings and stuff, but I've kind of fallen off of it now. Yeah, it could. I mean, it could tell you if you're stressed about something that you don't realize you're stressed about, but you're not like if there's dreams.

because there's dreams where remember you would do something you'd be like what a dream oh yeah where i was always doing do something mean be mad at me yeah i know that's what happens a lot with people yeah but it doesn't necessarily mean that I think that you're mean in real life. Yeah. The dreams try to tell me that it could be anything. It could literally be. Yeah. Your, your worries and like whatever aren't being transported into the visual representation of me. And then you're like,

Someone you love so much is like doing these bad things to you. I don't know. But anyway, next segment is about sleepwalking, which I don't know if you've ever done. I think it was part of the night terrors that I had because I kind of remember that. I don't really have too vivid of memories of that. So my brother used to. Yeah. I think it, again, I'm pretty sure this is another boy thing. I don't know why boys have such sleep problems when they're younger.

I don't understand. It must have to do with like hormones and testosterone. But his was scary because he could open doors. So he literally like. Well, I mean, have you seen like that one lady who. like records herself when she's sleepwalking like farts and those funny stuff i know it can be triggered by like if you eat really greasy salty foods yeah

like right before bedtime, which is also triggers bad dreams, which I think I've told you. So if you, if you eat something really greasy, salty, or like just a bad junk food too close to bedtime. you're more prone to getting nightmares. So there's this jujitsu guy. His name is Mikey. Oh God. Why can't Musumechi? Mikey Musumechi. Yeah. And his.

training and diet. So he trains all day and then he eats a huge meal at night. And it's the same thing. It's like pizza and pasta. And he eats like a big thing of like, like a gallon of Akai.

like whatever he does that every night i'd be interested to know if he has nightmares weird dreams because of that oh yeah not sorry not necessarily nightmares but you'll have more crazy vivid dreams if you eat like bad right i don't i don't recommend doing this because it's not good to eat bad right before bed anyway but yeah um but yeah his was bad and i've heard of this before like

I pray that Melody never sleepwalks because I'll be so nervous of her. I'll have to like put beepers on her door or something. But like we were I think I told you the story before. The scariest one that my mom. told me about was we were camping in an RV once and he slept walked.

out of the rv and she found him like she she woke up because she heard the door open of the rv and walked out the doors just wide open meanwhile if this would have happened to me i would have thought somebody broke into our yeah yeah for sure started freaking out

Well, she probably looked around. He wasn't there. She looked, she opened, like she looks out the door and all she sees is my brother just standing. So like, meanwhile, we're parked on like a cliff. There's like a cliff that goes, like there was like a guardrail, like a metal guardrail, but you could just. over the guard rail if you wanted and go like down the cliff it was like a like um

I mean, I don't think he would have died. It was like a mountain cliff, not like a cliff cliff. But it definitely would have hurt him if he went down. But she saw him just standing at the guardrail, like looking over to the cliff, sleeping. That's terrifying. And so the whole next day she was freaking out.

was like what if something would have happened what if he would have like fallen yeah like i said if the guardrail wasn't there he might have just walked right off but he like had stopped by the guardrail but yeah that was uh that was scary i never witnessed him sleepwalking i must have slept through the whole thing

but he apparently did it around our house too. I'm sure I did it. I just don't remember it. It would have been good to like, had my parents call in all the stories of, maybe we can revisit it some other episode. Yeah. Of what? Oh, you're just a whole episode on my night terrors. We'll have them either on it or like their stories. Stories. Nice.

Well, it's the same thing with sleepwalking. Apparently, like the factors that contribute to it is sleep deprivation, stress, fever, sleep schedule disruptions and traveling. So maybe that's interesting because yeah, traveling. It's interesting.

that those are things you wouldn't i guess like for a little kid yeah but i mean when you're like you know pre-adolescent going through puberty that can be stressed i mean obviously kids can have stress and stuff but yeah because they don't understand i i'm trying i didn't really have like i had no issues that i can oops that i can remember um that would have caused it

Yeah. Like I don't have any like traumatic things that happened to me that I can remember. But I also feel like kids have sleep disruptions a lot too. Yeah. They don't want to sleep. So they might like be up in the middle of the night hanging out. You don't know. Maybe it was all the video games I was playing.

Maybe. Oh, it says sleepwalking can also sometimes be triggered by underlying conditions that interfere with sleep, such as sleep breathing, sleep disordered breathing. That could have been it. Yeah, that could. That's why I said this. Because I've always had issues breathing. Yeah, it could have been. Could have been, you know, the deviated septum that I had. Yeah. Maybe it was causing your body stress because it was like, oh my God. You can't breathe. You can't breathe.

There's that there's taking certain medications, which I've also heard. There was a whole movie about that, about a wife that like killed her husband and they were blaming the medication for making her.

sleepwalk and like cheese yeah oh she killed her husband in her sleep sorry i missed that god yeah there was all but i mean not to ruin the movie i think it was based on a real story um but then eventually i think you find out that like she lied about she wanted to kill her husband and get away with it so she like pretended that the medic so they basically had to do all these studies to see if this medication would actually cause that and it said it could cause sleep

walking but like it shouldn't cause you to actually do some sort of action like that um but i don't know uh Oh, and it also says substance use such as alcohol can cause it restless leg syndrome and GERD, which is interesting, which is like GERD is like what I used to have when I was pregnant. The heartburn. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Stuff.

it's like interesting alcohol or whatever risk factors they that may also include uh the risk of sleepwalking is genetics uh so if it runs in your family you're more prone to it and age oh yeah i wonder if ryan's but i gotta ask if my nephews go through it at some point um and age so younger children are more prone to sleepwalking than older adults but it can happen just like that girl on tiktok yeah

Yeah, it says more often in children than adults. That is interesting. Yeah. And also, again, a lot is unknown about sleepwalking too. Yeah, I guess they're just not putting much... research into it just because or maybe they have they just can't it's kind of like space maybe like it's just or death like you can't really you can't see the dreams you can't

You can monitor your brain activity when you're sleeping, which they've done, but they can't. Yeah, I don't know. But I feel like they could find like. They can monitor you so much and they can say, oh, this is happening while you're sleeping, this brain activity or this breathing or recovery. Interesting. I feel like they should know more. I do, too. Come on, scientist. Maybe.

They're hiding something. Maybe they do know more. They know that we go to another universe and there's a multiverse. They just don't want us to know. They know what happens after death, but they don't want to tell us because they want to keep us trapped in the matrix. Oh, God.

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I'm a believer of things. I'm not a conspiracy person, but I am open-minded. That's the word I like to say. I'm open-minded. And I very much think, and sleep might have to do with it, I feel like... They know. I feel like... Lizard people? No, I'm not going to go like creepy conspiracy. I just feel like the top people in the world know a lot of stuff they don't tell us. Oh, of course.

Do you think they would want to tell us? As far as aliens and what exists outside of our planet and universe, I feel like they know. There's got to be. There's just no way they don't know or haven't found anything. I mean, it's possible they haven't.

universe is so possible for sure possible that's why i'm not saying this is for sure i'm sure they've seen stuff that or found stuff that maybe is but i feel like there's probably put out some stuff recently yeah it's all distractions oh yeah we gotta have uh what's his name uh tom Tom DeLonge on here. Oh, yeah. Talk about conspiracies and aliens. That'd be fun. That'd be fun. Yeah. Can I get Tom DeLonge to give us the call?

Maybe when we go see them live. Tom, come on our podcast. We'll get like a sign. Come on our podcast. Come talk about aliens. But I feel like sleep is part of that, that because there's no, they don't know much about it. Because there has to be something with our minds that happen when we sleep. I know they can't study it so much. To be fair, how often does nutritional information change? Yeah.

That's something that we deal with every day as well, that they've been researching for a long time and they still don't know 100% of the answers. They know some. They're like, we think this is good and this is bad. Well, I think the problem with food and nutrition is there's so many variables.

and that we've genetically modified food and our diets so much in the past, like a hundred years. And it's also definitely influenced by companies as well. Money and whatnot. That's like the, oh my God, we should talk about this on the next one. that's like that thing that hit the new food pyramid that came out and they were trying to say that what was it that was oh lucky charms was better for you than a steak that's crazy

We should talk about fast food or nutrition or something. Yeah, for sure. Or something that encompasses both. Yeah, that's definitely like that. That's it. That's funny because that's a topic that I feel like would get people riled up for no reason. Nutrition information should not get people riled up just because everybody has their own take on it. It's money. No. Well, I meant like if you tell somebody.

like if somebody's like thinks the vegan diet is optimal yeah you have all these people that are like you don't know what you're talking about but again i think that it's just everybody has their own opinion on it it's opinions but everyone's lives and

bodies are so different. Well, that too. I think there are certain things that like diets that have worked for me that haven't worked for other people and vice versa. Yeah, for sure. It's like everybody's different and nobody likes to admit it. I think the same thing can happen with sleep. I feel like some people don't need a lot of sleep because...

Maybe they very active, very healthy. Yeah. Well, the recommended is between seven and nine. But I do know that I know a lot. I'm sure there's a there's a lot of people who get like four hours. Oh, yeah. Fine. Some people get between four and six. totally fine yeah now granted do i know what they're like i think got seven to nine i don't know we have to compare like and i know a lot of people who are in the military

They operate on different schedules so that they're able they're able to operate with less sleep, but also they're, you know, generally more healthy. I think I could operate like especially during the newborn stages, if I could get. four to five solid straight hours of sleep, I was okay. I definitely wasn't optimal, but I was okay to get through the day and not be a zombie. We need a great reckoning in our society that we prioritize health.

and wellness and not pills and pharmaceutical where everyone eats properly exercises properly and sleeps properly well that too how many people get sleep pills instead of like recommendations on how to actually yeah Well, I think that's a problem with what's keeping you up a lot of generations. And I think it's starting to change. People are becoming more conscious of it is that we thought, oh, we can just cure all our issues with pills and pharmaceuticals. And there's, you know.

trillions of dollars in that industry so they're like that's not something they're going to try and go away and instead of you know giving people the the proper way of health and wellness they're like no just just spend all the money on pills and you'll be fine. And I think that goes along with sleep where instead of allowing our lives to properly.

run its course as far as rest and recovery they're just like yeah naturally they're just like no you everyone's got to wake up to an alarm because you got to go to work and here's a pill to make you fall asleep and here's melatonin it'll help you and it's just It just all feels like a big scam. It does. When you like peel the layers back on the onion, you realize how much of it is just controlled by money. And I'm not trying to be some sort of like.

conspiracy i hate society person but i hope you know you open your mind to things you're like why is everyone doing the same thing when we know this isn't the right way like Because it's the way it always was. It's the way it is, and it works, and that's the way it's gonna be. I hate when people say that, like... We've been doing it like this for years. It's like, okay, well, don't you want to like, don't you want to evolve? What if people said that back in the day when people were like,

Let's see. I invented this thing called electricity. Bullshit. We got candles. We're good. We've been using this for years. I hate that. I hate people's inability. to accept evolution and change. It's such a, that's like the biggest gripe I have is when people are so reluctant to evolution and change and technology was a lot, you know, huge.

Yeah, I mean, to be fair, it's not all good. Yeah, I'm not saying we need to accept everything that comes along, but if things aren't working, you know, it's good enough. That people are like, oh, it's working good enough and blah, blah, blah. It's like. Like me with my text. But when it comes to like our lives and I always think of this. So I, you know, I get.

I get massages a lot because it helps me with rest and recovery. And I always think there's people who have so much aches and pains that they just let build up over time and over time, they just don't want to go get it properly taken care of. that you develop these calluses essentially to you. I would also specify that it depends on the person.

financial situation i understand that but when you have you could also find ways to do it yourself like yes you can literally get whatever that thing i'm trying to use that as an example that when i have issues and i've been able to take care of it but i think like

Before that, when I used to have chronic back and shoulder pain because of sitting all day at a desk, and I think to myself, people just deal with it. They just deal with this pain and it just makes their lives crappy. And instead of... breaking out of this cycle of, ah, it's fine. I'll be fine. I'll be fine. It's like, no, just try something new, do something differently. And I think.

So bringing it back to sleep. That's what I was going to say. If you've been sleeping bad instead of just accepting it or thinking that's how things are or taking melatonin or a pill. Yeah, or a pill. I literally look up, if I have an issue in my life, that's my go-to is I... Google it. Yep. And I Google multiple sources, not just one, because everybody, not everybody, but a lot of people have agendas, but like go to multiple sources, look up like best sleep practices, how to get better sleep.

And instead of just writing off like, oh, drinking chamomile tea, that's not going to do anything for me. Like, just try it. Yeah. Try it for like a week. Yeah. And don't try it for a day and be like, it didn't work. You got to try stuff for like at least a week. Just.

try a couple read a book before bed don't look at your screen and see if it helps if it doesn't then yeah move on to like medication or seeing a doctor i think caffeine oh yeah caffeine plays a large role in a lot of i can't have i mean this sounds like an old person thing but i can't have caffeine past like four o'clock now and get good sleep even though i don't go to sleep till like 11 because i mean caffeine's a drug it's probably the most widely used drug in the world and

It's an interesting one. I heard, I don't know how true this is. I just heard this, that caffeine doesn't give you energy. It just blocks the receptors of feeling tired. So if we're just constantly doing that every day, that can't be good for our body.

And then you're trying to go to sleep and it's like, well, you're, you've been putting stuff in me all day. That's not allowing me to sugar. Yeah. Sugar. That's another thing I think is really screwing up people's ability to sleep well is sugar. Um, yeah. Again, I just. You're like, I don't have a solution besides research and try new things. Yeah. I just think we've. Don't just endure. That's it. Don't endure. Don't. If. Yeah.

We just accept that this is the way things are and we don't try to look for other ways to cure the problems we have. We just, oh, there's a pill. There's a miracle pill for this. And it's like, yeah, that might help, but it's not.

The long term is not going to work. You need other sources, other ways to deal with the issues. I'm very excited for this one because this is one of my favorite creepypasta stories that I get to talk about. Some of you may have heard about it already. I. Remember, you tell me about this. You told me I just, you know, but I forgot. I even forgot the ending until I reread it. And I was good. OK, I will preface this by saying so I was going to read the entire story.

But it's very long. So if you want to read the entire like book laid out, like as if you're reading a book story, look it up. It's called The Russian Sleep Experiment. There's also an accompanying photo. that i'll show you later when we get into it just to set the tone of what i'm talking about there's a creepy photo google it at your own risk um

But you can read the whole story as well if you're interested. But I'm basically it's still long. So that's why this is like the one main story for today. But it's not written out as like a storytelling. It's more of a synopsis. Are you ready? I'm ready. Okay. The Russian sleep experiments. And I will say this is a creepypasta. It has not been verified as a true story. Creepypasta for people who don't know.

is just a scary internet urban legend basically that's been like passed around for years and nobody knows where it originated from whenever i hear the word creepypasta all i think about is like pasta it's pasta creepy like Lots of. I forget. I learned why it's called a creepypasta. Yeah, I remember too. Like it does tie into that word, but I forget why. I want pasta. I've leftover pasta. Maybe.

The story recounts an experiment set in 1947 at a covert Soviet test facility in a military sanctioned scientific experiment. Five prisoners that were deemed enemies of the state were kept in a sealed gas chamber. with an experimental gas-based stimulant compound continually administered to keep the subjects awake for 30 consecutive days. The prisoners were falsely promised that they would be set free from the prison if they completed the experiment in the specified 30 days.

The subjects began, as usual, during the initial five days, talking to each other and whispering to the researchers through the one-way glass, though it was noted that their discussions gradually became darker in the subject matter. After nine days, one subject began screaming uncontrollably for hours while the others did not react to his outburst. The man screamed for so long that he tore his vocal cords and was rendered mute as a result. When the second one...

When the second person started screaming, the others prevented the researchers from looking inside their containment unit by pasting torn book pages and their own feces on the porthole windows. A few days passed without the researchers being able to look inside, during which the chamber was completely silent.

The researchers used the intercom to test if the subjects were still alive and got a short response of a subject expressing compliance each day. On the 15th day, the researchers decided to turn off the stimulating gas and reopen the chamber.

The subjects did not want the gas to be turned off for fear they would fall asleep. Upon looking inside, they discovered that the four surviving subjects... had performed lethal and severe mutilation and disembowelment on themselves during the past couple days, including tearing off sections of skin and muscle, removing multiple organs, practicing self-cannibalism,

cannibalism on themselves as well as on others and allowing four inches of blood and water to accumulate on the floor by jamming paper and pieces of flesh they tore into the several drains.

The subjects violently refused to leave the chamber and begged the scientists to continue administering the Stimulate. Oh my gosh, I can't talk. Stimulate. They begged the scientists to continue administering... the stimulant murdering one soldier and severely injuring another that attempted to remove them after eventually being After eventually being removed from the chamber, all subjects were shown to exhibit extreme strength, unprecedented resistance to anesthetics and sedatives.

the ability to remain alive despite lethal injuries, and a desperate desire to stay awake and be given the stimulant. It was also found that if any one of the subjects fell asleep, they would die.

After being somewhat treated for their severe injuries, the surviving three subjects were prepared to return to the gas chamber with a stimulant by the orders of the military officials, though against the will of the researchers. with EEG monitors showing short, recurring moments of brain death, like to the people that were in the chamber. Before the chamber was sealed, one of the subjects fell asleep and died.

and the only subject that could speak screamed to be immediately sealed in the chamber. The military commander ordered for three other researchers to be closed inside the chamber alongside the two remaining subjects. One researcher immediately drew his gun and killed the commander and the mute subject by shooting both of them at the head, causing the other person to flee the room with only one surviving subject.

The terrified researcher explained that he would not allow himself to be locked in a room with monsters that could no longer be called people. He desperately asked what the subject was, to which the subject smiled and identified himself and the other fallen subjects as an inherent evil inside the human mind that is kept in check by the act of sleeping.

After a brief pause, the researcher shot the prisoner, and with his dying breath on the floor, the subject muttered his final words, so nearly free. so the whole theory of the story is that the reason we sleep is to like keep the evil demons inside yeah and if you don't sleep then they come out and that's why the subjects were like

inherently strong and couldn't die. Yeah. Yeah, there's a couple thoughts running through my head about that. What? Just, like, making sense of it. They made a movie about it, too.

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I know that certain drugs can take people to different, like... realms people think well yeah if you're hallucinating so i think maybe lack of sleep can kind of do you want to see what they do something similar do you want to see the image that was yeah associated with the story yeah damn really

That's fake. Well, yeah, the whole story is fake. I mean, it's not proven real. The photo is definitely fake, but it's creepy. Every time I see this photo, I'm like... hate it so they and they made a movie about it so this is a fake story as far as not proven not proven but a lot of times you know they could be covering it up it was from the 1940s which you know they did a lot of creepy things during wartime

experiments so this definitely sounds like something that could have been done um yeah i going back to what i was saying before about how i think maybe when we dream we go to another like multiverse universe that is either our lot that's like another version of ourselves um Which could be interesting because if with that like multiverse theory that there's infinite numbers of universes, maybe when we sleep, we like we're somehow all like our self and another universe connected and we go to that.

somehow um so maybe with this their lack of sleep they were more vividly being part of that even though it sounds horrifying the things that you were talking about um I'm just trying to, they basically became demons. So that's why they started like destroying each other. And yeah, I don't know. That doesn't, I mean,

I mean, if you want to look at it from like a logical explanation. Yeah, I'm trying to come up with some sort of like logical. It would be that they didn't go with sleep for so long that they started to hallucinate and thought they were demons. Yeah, which, yeah, that makes sense. And then.

i mean you can't really explain the like not dying um when they had lethal injuries but it could have been just from pure like stimulant and adrenaline maybe it was keeping them going and that's why maybe the thing that's why they didn't want to stop getting it because they and when

Once they fell asleep, they died. It was probably because it was all out of their bodies. Yeah. And they couldn't live through their injuries. If you want to look at it from like a more logical explanation. It's fun to look at it from that. It's fun. Trying to make sense of an insane story. Yeah. Because I feel like a lot of stories like that that they say are fake could be true or.

We're, you know, maybe not exactly the same, but. I am curious to see, like, I'm sure there's a YouTube video about it, like somebody that was actually kept. Oh, didn't Mr. Beast do one where he was kept awake for a certain amount of time? I forget. I want to see like what people start saying and doing. Yeah. I mean, I will say like during, we were still getting sleep during the newborn stage. It was definitely broken sleep and like.

not great quality sleep but even with that i remember like not hallucinating but definitely like not being all there oh yeah for a little while until you could get your sleep back yeah but i think the mind Well, you know, like the mind can play tricks in you and you hallucinate. It's like, all right, what is that? Like what, how can we make sense of hallucinations? Is it just nonsense that our minds make up or is it like rooted in something else? You know what else is crazy? So you can get.

um i don't know about arrested but you can get like fined if you if you drive with not sleeping enough because it's the equivalent of like having alcohol essentially yeah

um i have two short viewer submissions nice that i wanted to say before we left but i thought this one this one's not really a story but i thought it was interesting that so she wrote herself as sarah the third year old lady with like the music notes Um, and it was submitted on the third Friday, the 13th. Um, but it's funny because I, I thought up like Bobby told me about the dream topic, I think right around that time. And then I've like made it into sleeping as creepy, but then.

Sarah said, like gave the topic idea of sleeping is creepy on the 13th, which is kind of funny. And then she said, you never know what you might dream about. Is it more creepy being able to control your dreams or having no control? And also my daughters, 13 years old and eight years old, laughing and talking in their sleep is very creepy. Yeah, I know. Well, I used to talk a lot in my sleep, right? Oh, yeah, you did. I used to or do I still do? I don't do it as much anymore.

If you do, then I sleep through it and I don't even know. So interesting. You used to at our old house a lot. Yeah. I don't know why. Maybe our mattress is better now. Maybe you sleep better. Maybe it was my job just causing me so much stress. Maybe. maybe yeah it's probably stress related yep but um i think melody used to when she was like a baby baby she would sometimes like laugh or cry in her sleep yeah and we had to like realize what yeah sleep crying

Oh, my God, she's up. But then they would always say, wait a couple minutes because they might be crying in their sleep. They're not actually crying. They should have a good weekend and creepy Friday the 13th. Yeah, we totally missed Friday the 13th. I don't even know if there's any. There might be a couple. Watch the Jason movie? What do you want to do? No, but there's probably scary stories about it. It's fine. It's not a real holiday. No.

Maybe it'll come back around. We can do it another time. And then this person didn't leave their name, so I wrote anonymous to make it creepier. Hey, Lauren and Bobby, this is for when you do a dreams or creepy video. I have a friend who sadly passed away two years ago due to a heart problem. We were very close and they defended me from toxic friendships and we made each other laugh to deal with their passing. I tried to forget the bad memories and focus on the good.

and ever since i've had the same dream once a month i wake up the sun's out i get out of bed um get ready and get ready to meet them we catch up laugh and it seemed so real it was almost as if they were right there. But over time with me forgetting bad memories, I also forgot the good ones. Their face starts to blur and their their voice faint. And it came to the point.

They had no face and I couldn't remember their voice. I felt terrible. How could someone forget their own friend? When one night it was supposed to be the typical dream, I wake up nervous and go see them. tell them what's happening but this time it's dark i was confused i couldn't move and started to freak out it was like i was glued to the bed then

They walk in my room and talk, not in their voice, but a more ominous type. Talk about how bad of a friend I am for forgetting about them. I can't talk or move or scream, and they slowly start moving closer. and start to strangle me. My chest felt heavy, like something was on top of it. No, I don't have any pets or an animal wasn't sitting on my chest and I could barely breathe. When I woke up, I was sweating and totally freaked out. Yeah. Sleep paralysis.

yeah but i was saying that there was a lot like we could have did a whole episode of just reading viewer submitted stories of because everybody has like their favorite like we just told our favorite nightmares or scary story or like dreams Yeah, that sparked a memory of something that I have that happens a lot. So I was going to read some of them, but a lot of them were like similar.

like just scary things happening and then you woke up. I was trying to find ones that connected in some way. Somebody else that didn't leave their name was talking about. not premonition dreams, but like there's a different word for it. Oh, I wish I saved it. But they're basically dreams that. happen later, which I've also had. Oh, I've had that too. Where like I'll be in a situation and I'll be like, oh my God, wait, I remember this. I had a dream that I was.

walking around and i found a skateboard on the side of the road and it was like the next day my friends and i were riding our bikes and i found a skateboard on the side of the road that was weird and also to go along with that person's dream in a little bit so my First dog, Shadow, she died when I was in college. And I'll still, I think I might have talked about this in the last podcast. I don't know why. But I'll have dreams where she's there.

and it's like she never died it's just like oh shadow's here she's part of i think we're talking about pets hey we're talking about pets but yeah i'll have the dream where i'll have dreams where she's just there and it's like just she's oh shadow's here she never died it's that's a reoccurring it hasn't happened in a while but it has like happened like throughout the past couple you know ever since she died yeah um that but that's yeah i wonder not wonder but how

I'm sure a lot of people have that like I'll have dreams about like my grandpa I haven't had him as of late but like when he first when he passed I've had like dreams about him like hear his voice and mostly that fades I wonder if it's just like Is it another dimension? Is it another dimension? Or is it just our minds? You're thinking about that person, so your mind is playing that back and trying to dig up past memories or stuff like that.

replay it to you and that eventually just kind of slowly fades away yeah yeah i think it's interesting when you dream about like people who are deceased yeah then you never some people are like oh my god they were trying to tell me something but were they or was it you just your past up memories i wonder because you're there talking about how if you can control your dream because i think that would be cool

and i'm sure you can if like let's say like i have voicemails from my grandpa and i'm sure if i like played them a lot before i went to bed or like throughout the day maybe i'll have a dream and it'll like dig up some memory like it like something in my brain will spark or maybe like maybe if you watch like videos of your dad a lot maybe that'll like cause you to have a dream or something like that yeah but yeah that would i think

In a way, we can't control our dreams because I don't think we can like before we go to sleep, I want to dream about this. But I think if you are actively like watching or doing something that's like making a lot of brain activity, maybe as you sleep. It'll kind of come back into your dream. Could be. They should research it. I know they're not doing great on that. I was thinking about, what's it called? I was trying to remember the word for the...

The type of dream where like you dream something and then it happens. Oh, I haven't had it happen. I know I had another one too. I'm trying to remember it. I haven't had it happen recently from what I remember when I was young. The most vivid one was the most vivid one I remember is like when I went.

I had to go for like high school orientation where they would like show me around the building and like what you're supposed to do between like going to a locker and your class and like whatever. Cause it was all new. Cause we came from like.

It was just me and my one friend that went for orientation because we were going from private school to public school. So they wanted to like show us or whatever. But that exact moment of like standing in an exact part of the hallway and what I saw and heard was like. vividly what I had had a dream about like a week or two prior which was weird so I still very much remember yeah I still very much remember like that one moment and I remember looking around being like

Does that mean something's going to happen right now? But then nothing happens. Yeah. I hate when you get, well, it's cool. Interesting. When you have like deja vu happen, you're like, wait, this feels familiar. What's happening? Why is this happening? Yeah. It's very interesting. Creepy. yeah when that happens but yeah another reoccurring dream i have a lot is that i'm back in school i think i've talked about this in the podcast before and it's always that like

I have to take a test or like I didn't prepare for something and I'm like panicking that I didn't do something. I hate it. It's always, and I'm always in high school, which is always weird. I do have lots of that or college. Yeah, but I'm always. Back in my high school, which, you know, I had a good time in high school, but yeah, it's very interesting how that is a reoccurring thing. But it's always like, oh, you didn't prepare for this test. You're going to fail. Freaking out my dreams. Yeah.

Sleeping in dreams and nightmares are weird. They are very creepy. They are. And if you don't sleep, you become a demon. You become a demon. So there's that. Yeah, so. So get some sleep. I think I talked about this, that I was scared to wake my mom. Oh yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. If I had a scary dream, I didn't want to wake my mom because I didn't want to like bother her. So instead I would just stand over her while she was sleeping.

and wait for her to just happen to wake up because I thought that was a nicer way. to wake up as like a child. But thinking back, you probably gave your mom nightmares about that. And she would probably wake up. I didn't give her a heart attack. Yeah.

Hey mom, I've just been here for a couple hours. I had a bad dream. I've been standing here. Like paranormal activity where they just like stand here. Just waiting for you to wake up. Just to let you know. Just to let you know that I can't sleep. I'm gonna go back to bed now.

Have a sleep well. Get your rest. Don't look at the Russian sleep experiment photos right before you go to bed. Yeah, if you're listening to this at night, don't look at it. Look at it in the morning. It's too late now, so if you did. Sorry. Should have prefaced that earlier. Yep. If you can't breathe well at night, go get checked out for a deviated septum. And get a humidifier. Get a humidifier. Get some nose strips.

that's apparently important i was actually thinking of trying those again when i go to bed you were like living in those yeah well i can breathe photos of you with the snow strip on yeah it is my right nostril each by the left my left is fine now but uh Yeah, I used to. Well, because I couldn't like breathe well during the day. My nose was all jacked up. But now I can hear that. So maybe I'll look into that. And remember. Everything is creepy. Sweet dreams.